This video presents a philosophical debate between two perspectives on African history and liberation: one arguing that Africans voluntarily enslaved themselves to experience spiritual growth, and another emphasizing that Africans were victims of European exploitation and must hold Europeans accountable for historical injustices. The discussion explores concepts like Ma'at (balance, justice, and harmony), the role of nature in spiritual development, and the distinction between blame and responsibility in understanding historical trauma.
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>> [music] [music] >> I'm telling you that the beginning of knowledge is purification of self. That is going to guide you exactly what to what to what information that you need to study or research. And once you have that right there, you perfect that, and then you teach and help others do that. I'm not saying not to read a book because you have to read information and research it whether it's on the internet or not. I gave you five sciences and told you that I got these five sciences by going into nature. But But let me say to you, would you agree that um you would have a even deeper understanding of those sciences if you read those eminent scholars who spent their lives studying them? Because that's really what scholarship is.
Um That's what You're You're studying No, but I'm I'm still I don't want you to put one above the other. They are equal. In the Kemetic tradition, we have a concept called Smai Tawi.
Smai Tawi is the union of the two lands.
And sometimes people describe it extremely literally, and they're talking about one kingdom joining another kingdom to become Kemet.
But in many ways, what we're talking about is more than just a a historical description or a literal geographic description. We're also talking about the ability to be to have unified brain thinking, to use both the analytical and the intuitive. You What you're describing is intuitive knowledge, and intuitive knowledge is powerful. So, that's why I want to say I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm suggesting a tweak. That's what I'm doing to my brother. I'm suggesting a tweak. You you I'm I'm Yes. You're saying the same thing that I'm saying only I'm saying go out into nature first and rather read books. There's so many >> then you're putting one above the other.
>> You have There's order in everything we do. But brother, you just said that you were not educated. So how would you know? What I'm saying to you I know because I've got knowledge of self. The only way to get it. But what I'm saying to you is and even if you have one path, how do you know that there is not another path that is equally >> I'm telling you that all paths lead to the source and go to the source first which is nature and that will lead you to everything else and that's all I'm saying. Dear brother, all I'm saying is that we should describe this as a comprehensive process, something that happens together because I really do believe that before you went to nature you were in school.
You tell me you were never in school as a child?
The knowledge that I learned I did not learn it in school. Actually school confused me.
>> You and I will agree with that but you Actually school nature you began to realize this is not what I should learn.
So in that sense that even was an education.
>> Right.
That makes perfect sense. What I'm saying to you is this. What I'm saying to you is this.
I'm not negating the fact that we must do research and read books.
>> Okay. All I'm saying to you All I'm saying the beginning of knowledge is fear of the Lord which is is to have reverence for nature and have go out and love yourself through your body. First of all you could you can't even comprehend half the knowledge [clears throat] that you read in a book without having a proper health, without having a proper mind. So you have to you have to cleanse yourself first, clean your blood so that when you read it you can you We can read the Bible, right? I read the Bible before I went out into nature and now I read the Bible I can truly interpret it now because my mind is clear, because my body is clean.
>> Okay. We have to cleanse our body by being in tune with nature first before we can even utilize any of the knowledge and information in books.
>> I don't want this to become strictly a conversation about that. But let me say to you that, because I think that what could happen is it could make it sound like we're disagreeing. I think I'm I'm I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you. I believe that um I'm just offering a suggestion that I'm both of these to the people to first cleanse your body and your mind before you start reading books and trying to interpret this book.
>> But let me let me let me say to you let me say this to you. One of the ways that you can even understand what cleansing is is to do research.
I just told Okay, here's what I'm going to >> YOU GOT TO AGREE. COME ON NOW, BROTHER.
JUST SAY Just Jabari, you all right. I'm not saying that.
>> Your face said it though.
>> I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm saying this No, no, no, this this is what I'm saying.
Listen. Listen, because I was led. That means intuitive, like you said the intuitive knowledge, which all knowledge comes from when people write the books, before the book get written it come from intuitive knowledge. If you have intuitive knowledge, that will what led me to the jungle what led me to nature wasn't research. What led What How did you know to cleanse? What was What What is cleansing to you?
>> It was intuition. It was the knowledge that you gain without without learning.
>> You're saying you didn't read anyone else that >> It didn't take that. It It's It's so many people out there. It's so many things.
>> read anyone else that taught you how to cleanse. You weren't listening to Queen Afua or Dr. Sebi or Llaila Afrika.
Before before This is what I'm saying.
With me, it was more of a yearning for me to Something in me connecting to nature has made me understand everything. Before I thought So listen So listen So listen to what I'm saying.
Yeah. Before I went out into nature, when I went up before I went out to the jungle, I I was researching information, all kind of the Bible. Listen to me, brother. Listen [laughter] I I am listening to you. Go ahead.
>> Listen to me, brother.
I am listening to Everybody's online in search of self some kind of way.
>> Online?
Online, in the library, the books, whatever. You know what I'm saying? We all online in life. Listen. What I'm saying to you is that I couldn't even understand the things that I was receiving until I went and cleansed myself. And I'm not talking about somebody telling me how to cleanse myself. It's simple. Connect to nature.
Get closer to the equator. Get into nature. This is not for everybody because you have to already be smart and have a DNA that is meant for you to be something great. And part of that DNA would tell you intuitively to go to nature. I'm telling the people that can hear me.
Mhm. To make it easy for yourself.
Instead of going to all I don't you're going anywhere. Anybody that's with us have to cleanse themselves for it to go into nature.
Isolate yourself. Go isolate yourself.
Go let Go speak to God.
Go to sleep in a tent for 30 days in the jungle. Eat fruit. Cleanse your body and lay on the ground and connect your body to the earth and get some downloads for at least 30 days of the cycle of the moon. You know what I'm saying? So, at the I actually believe that that's that's powerful. And and when you do that, you will you will things will start to happen from within.
All these books that we hear You and I are agreeing on.
>> Yes. All I'm saying is before you What What I'm What I'm saying to you is before If we do If we try to understand knowledge Yes. before cleansing this computer it's like putting a whole bunch of new knowledge in that you're trying to compute, but you can't compute it because you are at a low frequency than the knowledge is. You have to be at the same frequency to even interpret the knowledge.
>> I mean the the family needs to hear that cuz I'm not I'm not disagreeing with him.
>> Before somebody comes to you, shouldn't they cleanse before they start learning?
Before somebody learn I have to teach them how to cleanse. Even if you teach them how to cleanse, you would have to tell them you need to look, you need to go out into nature, you need to go be in isolation.
>> I I don't believe that all cleansing occurs in in isolation. I think that when you look at the symbol, for example, of the lotus.
>> Mhm. Go ahead.
>> Right? And you know the lotus has been a a spiritual symbol in a variety of traditions, right? Um have you ever seen a lotus grow?
Absolutely. So I The reason why I'm asking is because it is a it's a powerful thing, right? You actually see this beautiful um plant that reaches towards the sun.
Right? It opens at the sunlight of the day, which is I guess a a good symbol for illumination, awakening, enlightening.
And when the sun goes down, it it closes its petals and it retracts under the water. But one of the things that people don't necessarily do, because they've never actually seen the lotus grow, is that the lotus actually lives in the nastiest, muckiest, filthiest place.
And so I believe that um spiritual attainment can occur anywhere.
>> [laughter] >> I just believe that um one of the greatest ways for you to become um spiritually attuned is to do so in the the jungle of the city.
Because the reality is that is when you are that is when you are tested and steel sharpens steel.
I truly believe that when we see the symbol of the lotus, we are seeing a a great teaching on how we must remain spiritually pure while living amongst decadence. You see where I live, right?
Yeah. You You came in, you see where I live. And um my greatest work is to work within my community. I don't have the luxury, I don't think we have the luxury to retreat someplace where the great the the largest numbers of our people are.
Um, and so I think that that's a powerful, um, lesson for me. Now, let let me be clear. I do also, people in our tradition do a lot of spiritual and and, um, physical fasting, um, and purification. So, I agree with him that that is so powerful, and I want to thank you for bringing it to these, um, airwaves, because a lot of, um, folks that are on Sonneteer's channel don't talk about it. So, so I want to say that that is powerful. So, it just needs to be said that, um, 85% of what you said, I agree with wholeheartedly.
All I'm suggesting is a tweak. That's all. That's all. And we don't have to see everything 100% the same.
Yeah. But, let me say this to you people, and I hope you don't clip this out.
I want to say that you can't heal in the same environment you became sick in.
I would say to you, you don't know if you're healed until you're in the same environment that you became sick.
>> Okay. SO.
>> THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE HEALED.
OKAY. You know you healed.
>> That's when you know you're healed.
>> You know you healed when you're in your right mind. And in your right mind, you would never go back to prison. If you are in prison and you are in jail, if me if I locked you up in slavery, okay? I don't have to go back to be a slave to know that I'm not no longer a slave no more once I become when I when I become well. I don't have to once I become a crackhead go back around crackheads again. I I don't have to do that. Matter of fact, matter of fact, I'm here to help people reform from that are in that, and I can't do that in the crackhouse. I have to help people get out of the crackhouse first before >> a powerful approach.
>> Okay. So, what I'm saying to you is we cannot heal in the same environment.
Matter of fact, we're more likely to relapse. We know through epigenetics that you cannot vibrate a cell cannot vibrate higher than its environment.
Matter of fact, you would have to take the cell out the culture medium, put it in a new culture medium, and that cell will start to formulate to its environment. So, the environment >> to create those cultural mediums where we are. The majority of our people But listen to me. The majority of our people will not be in the jungle.
They're in the jungles of >> We're not worried about the majority.
We're not worried about the majority.
That is my task. Maybe my task is different than you.
>> What I'm saying and that's And that And that right there may be a flaw because what I'm saying to you is we can't save everybody. We can only save ourselves and those that are able to hear. It says It says in even in Egyptology, when teaching someone >> Say in Egyptology.
>> Well, let me say this. Let me say this.
It's It teaches you how to teach.
What teaches you how to teach?
>> Teaches you how to teach to those that What teaches you how to teach?
Oh, man. I got distracted. What happened? Yeah. Is he okay? He on the call. He's on the phone.
Okay, so Okay, so he okay. So, I hope he He in trouble. Obviously, he he apologized to somebody, right? He in trouble. Okay.
Listen, man. Sometimes you get in trouble, you got to restore my honor.
That's what he's trying to do. Okay. You can't heal in a city.
I mean, I think that's misleading. How can we heal in an environment that we are sick in? We have to get out of that environment, re- rehabilitate, and then get people out of that environment and not go back to the muck. You don't go back into the muck. You have to get up out of that and stay up out of it.
>> the difference with us, though. I'm about the liberation and the resurrection of an entire group of people, 1 billion Africans. And perhaps you are only talking about a small group of people that you can go off to a small jungle retreat on. That's not Wait.
Wait. Wait. Wait. That's not who I am.
If I was that person, I would not be I would not be here.
Okay. I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong.
I'm just saying there's more than one way to achieve the goal. And it's important for us to recognize that we don't all have to do the same work. You do the work you're doing and do good work, brother. I'm not saying you got to do it the way I do, but I believe that we should be about the reclamation of our people. And I know that when I talk about our people, I'm talking specifically about people of African descent and more generally about people on the planet. And I truly believe that with all of the dastardly, inhumane, barbaric things that have been done to our people, people that look like me and you, brother, somebody has to be about trying to rectify that. That's what I'm here for.
That is the work that I have been divinely ordained to do. And so, I can't do that in the jungle. I got to do that in the jungle of Harlem. In a place where crackheads walk in front of my house. I got to do it in a place where when I walk outside, the the hustlers have to say, "Good day, brother Hotep."
BECAUSE THE HUSTLERS SAY, "HOTEPU" to me because they recognize the work that I'm doing.
>> As they hustle. And as they hustle and they're trying to come up out of hustling. So, I have to help them come up out of it. Because I'm sure that if we looked at this the stories of the people that you actually that are around you, they were in difficult situations.
My job, my task, the work that the Netjeru have asked me to do is to assist those people. Okay. And it doesn't mean that's your task.
>> I want to say this. Number one, you said the billion African you're here for the black people. I'm out here strictly for the African >> You're for African American.
>> But specifically for Specifically I didn't say African Americans, Africans.
Africans. And that means all across the board, whether they're in America or anywhere they're at. You're here for a melanated people. Specifically.
>> Specifically. does >> mean that that that the reclamation of what Franz Fanon called the wretched of the earth Mhm. will not assist all people on the planet. And I truly believe that it will. I think that when the elders of the planet wake up and return to their position, to their place, what will happen is they will put the world back in balance. And I think that's what has to happen. You know that people of African descent are some of the most spiritually tuned people on the planet. We have always been the spirit the some of the most spiritual tuned people on the planet. Now, notice I said some of. I'm not saying that great spirituality and wisdom can't come in people other than people of African descent. But I do believe that it is the African that wants to awaken and put the world back into balance. We have the youngest people on the planet right now, brother, that are veering the planet to oblivion.
So, the elders have to awaken. That's how I look at it. And it doesn't have to be that we do the same thing, brother.
Okay. You know what I mean? People have to do different things. All right, let me say this.
Spirituality has less to do with color and more to do with the mentality of the human being.
Let us put that out there right now.
Spirituality is beyond what meets the eye.
Beyond the physical. It's the metaphysical. So, when you're talking about healing people spiritually, we cannot limit ourselves to melanated beings even and even specifically if we're talking about spirituality because spirituality talks about the metaphysical. We judge a man by his creed and not by his skin color. We cannot even specifically aim toward melanated people because we are living in the age where a male could be a female, a female spiritually.
And a female can be a male, a man, spiritually.
Someone can be Someone could look to be one thing and be a whole 'nother thing.
This is where you have the transgender thing going on right now. We are living in the end of ages. End of age, right?
Where spirits are flying cross and we don't know who is who. You don't know it. So, we talk First of all, let me say this. Spirituality is the study of the metaphysical, meaning that that goes beyond physical. So, if you're a spiritual teacher and a priest, then you cannot limit yourself to African-American or African people specifically at all. You can If you you can If you're going to heal humanity and humanity's spirit, it has nothing to do with color at all.
Number one, because it's spirit. And that's where we get messed up.
We cannot limit ourselves only to African people when we're talking about spirituality.
Well, let me say three things. First of all, I think it's interesting you made that comment when the only people I came here are people of African descent. But But you perhaps you've said that because the videos I see you have a lot of white people in the in the jungle with you. Um and so maybe you're speaking to them.
I'm not speaking to them.
>> Indian people.
>> But that's I'm not speaking to them. But hear me. Hear me. Hear me. Wait, hear me. Hear me. Hear me. You can explain that. Let me Let me say this. Let me say this.
>> Mhm.
I And I'm going to use a biblical passage because it seems like you are biblically based. And so hopefully this will help you um hear what I'm saying.
>> know if I am or not, but Um well, you use the Bible a lot.
>> Yeah, I use the Bible. Yeah, so I'm going to speak to you in the language maybe that you can hear. It says, "I did not mean that disrespectfully." So, I don't know why >> Listen to what I'M SAYING FIRST, BROTHER. YOU MIGHT AGREE WITH ME AND SAY THAT'S GREAT. YEAH, but you assume something.
>> It says, "That which you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me." And these are words that are spoken. I'm paraphrasing Mhm. by Jesus the Christ, Yeshua the Christ that you will read of in the Bible. I would argue to you that the least of the people, the people that have been the most downtrodden, The people who have had the most inhumane processes visited upon them are those who are people of African descent. And so, I am not saying that other groups of people on the planet should not receive spiritual awakening.
I'm not saying that. I am not saying that you cannot have incredible people who are of those traditions, of those backgrounds that will receive spiritual awakening. I'm not saying that, either.
And I'm also agreeing with you that spirit actually is bigger, that transcends, it's larger.
It certainly it elevates beyond these these crude husks that we are wearing. I would agree with you on that. However, however, I believe that there must be someone, there must be some institutions, there must be some group of people that look to right the wrongs that were done over the course of the last four to 500 years. And I think that my my particular ministry is to people of African descent. That does not mean that if I found someone who was completely in Ma'at would not be someone that I would and and not of African descent that I that they would not be able to be part of my institution. That's not what I'm saying.
But my specific ministry, the Shrine of Ma'at, is specifically about the rectification of people of African descent. And so, you and I might see something a little different on that one.
>> build on that. I like to build on that.
I just want to say again, when you say spirituality, it transcends the color of the skin.
>> I agree. And we're talking about good versus evil.
Spiritually.
>> Maybe. We're talking about purity versus defile. We're talking about what is pure, what is righteous. This goes beyond color. We have to stop the color thing. We don't have an enemy. Let me tell you something how >> You don't have an enemy. We don't have an enemy.
>> Okay. The only enemy is our own selves.
The black man is God. The black melanated people, we are the original people on this planet. Everything comes from us. We cannot say that we are oppressed and that we are supreme at the same time. Either we supreme and we put our own selves into this and we and we have the ability to take ourselves out of it. What I know is that we got so tired of ruling that we put ourselves through slavery.
>> [snorts] >> And that when we're ready when we're ready when the time comes as far as conscious cycle, the conscious cycle in the human consciousness in the mind of conscious, true spirituality, we awaken anyway, it's a part of the divine order.
>> getting at?
What's the point?
>> So, hold on. Hold on. Let me finish. Let me finish.
>> Please, go ahead. Please, go >> We cannot say we are oppressed and we have somebody holding their feet on our neck and we are oppressed at the same time say we kings and queens and pharaohs and chiefs and chiefess.
We have to understand this. The black man is God and always have been and always will be.
When the when the universe decided to descend right? When the most high descended into human form and blew breath into Adam, he descended into human human. It was God.
And it was melanated. Let me Let me finish.
>> of biblical stuff.
>> [laughter] >> Okay, that's okay. That's That's the Bible uses our stuff. So, remember that.
>> That's biblical is what I No, it it's it's beyond biblical because it uses our stuff. I'm only meeting people where they at and I can't go beyond that. I'm meeting them where they at to take them somewhere different. So, I'm talking to people to the common man so they can understand me. I can't talk it gibber jabber to them. So, what I'm saying to you is when the most >> Did you just I can't >> describe African traditions as gibberish?
>> To the average man it is. To the >> you just did? To the average man walking the street it is. They have to actually For them to receive what you have I'm not saying it's gibberish.
Doctor, what's up? Listen, you acting like you don't know how to you don't know how to comprehend what I'm saying.
>> you to clarify so I'm not Okay, I I shouldn't have to clarify because that becomes a distraction. You know what I'm talking about when I say gibberish. I'm saying those people out there listening that are not under The scholarship will hear gibberish unless they are educated and come You have to teach people from where they coming from. And so I'm I'm saying that and and and I shouldn't have to explain that cuz you a scholar. You understand what I'm saying. You can comprehend.
What I'm saying to you What I'm saying to you is that the Most High descended into the African man and woman as the African man and woman.
We ruled this planet.
We did whatever we wanted.
And we ruled so much that we got tired of ruling.
>> Doctor, what's up?
We got tired of ruling.
And we decided to be slaves to experience that. We We decided to create out of our DNA the Caucasian, the Asian, the Indian. We wanted to experience ourselves subjectively. We decided to become slaves. We're supreme being. And when we was ready and fit, we would wake up.
And that process happens within us.
Not from you saving nobody.
You can't save nobody. Either they got it in them and they chosen or they not.
You can't make people know. Only they can hear it and feel it and be activated as you speak it or that's it. It doesn't matter. I'm saying that we God. We supreme beings. You can't say we oppressed and we got my people out here on the corner and no no no no no no no no no excuses. No, I will not allow that because we're supreme. That means we put our own selves into slavery. We put our own selves into this just to experience it, just to wake up from it. We went to sleep just to wake up from it. That's how great we was. We was so great that we got tired of being great.
That's what God do. God do. That's what God do.
God got tired of being great and said y'all >> Perhaps perhaps per per per perhaps if this was a rhetorical composition, you would win hands down. But you're sitting with a historian. And I want to say that some of what you said sounds good, but that it violates the history of what occurred on this planet so deliberately that it is nothing more than malfeasance from an intellectual being. So either So either So either what you've done is malfeasance or it's ignorance.
And I would like to choose it's ignorance rather than malfeasance.
>> Tell me about the history.
>> Because I want to really say that if you say, first of all, there are many contradictions in what you've said.
>> So I'm on the side There are many contradictions. The first thing that you must say is if you are saying that the black man is God, but you still say that spirituality absolutely um it it is bigger than race, then I'm confused. And I think most people on this platform will be confused. Because if the black man is God, and I say that my position is that I am here to assist people of African descent, and you challenge me by saying we have to get past race, but then you say the black man is God. Brother, I'm not sure which books you've tried to cite from the Nation of Islam and from the Moors and others, but you didn't even read the complete book. That's That's That's part That's problematic.
>> Shots fired. And I No, that's more than shots. That's a cannon. Because I'm offended by what you said.
>> I'm offended by what you said. For you to say that Africans did this to themselves, you are saying that Africans sought to have their wives, their mothers, their children's raped.
You are saying that Africans chose to have their genitalia ripped from them.
You are saying that Africans chose to be burned while people of European descent, the Tom who looked on and had their their outings while we were actually doing that.
>> says Brother, please.
>> get that to you. This is rhetoric. Okay.
It is important for us to go beyond rhetoric and teach our people history.
Because the reality is if you believe that we did this to ourselves and that we are the only ones that are to blame, then you have let a large number of people well-resourced institutions and nations off the hook.
The reality is that there is much that these institutions have taken from us and they must be held accountable for that. So when you say you I'mma give it to you so you don't have to keep grabbing. I'mma give it to you when it's done. When it's hot, I'mma give it to you. BECAUSE I'M I'M OFFENDED by what you just said. How in the world could you say that Africans did that to ourselves?
You must understand that the only part that I will agree with him on is that Africans are the oldest people on the planet. The people who are perhaps the most wise on the planet because of the just by by um the the fact that we have been on the planet for longer than others, we actually have obtained great wisdom. And so I think that what I must do as a historian priest is to allow people to understand who they truly are. But we cannot then say that we must blame the African for what we did. This is nothing more but difficult rhetoric.
To say that we did this to ourselves cuz we were tired ruling the planet.
This this is This is ridiculous.
It's laughable.
It It's only laughable if we must not cry. Because when people say things like that, they say that because and the brother already said that he doesn't he he believes that most knowledge comes from being in the jungle and that he would put that above books.
Well, brother, you are telling me now that you need to return to books.
Because if you are saying that, you must understand history.
And I'm saying to you that you are showing extreme painful ignorance of the history of how Africans were enslaved.
There's nothing outside the melanated black man.
White people came from us.
Humanity has done horrific things to humanity.
Let's say that. Because when you're taking away the power from the black man, even acknowledging THAT THERE'S ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF HIM.
You say a white man, CHINESE MAN, AIN'T NOTHING BUT A genetically modified version of us. WE THAT'S US.
WE GOD. AND AS SOON AS YOU DO THAT, YOU TAKE YOUR POWER AWAY. You can't wake up in that spirit thinking that you have an enemy that's somebody against you. You fighting backwards, brother.
Soon as there's an enemy, an external enemy, you'll never win.
First of all, I'm learning with Jabari that Jabari has um has a challenge with comprehending. Cuz he said I put nature above books. You did. You said that.
>> I No, no, no. I never said that. And And I I >> [laughter] >> What I'm learning What I'm learning in this interview is that the brother has a problem with comprehension or he's just doing that to win the debate. You I never said that. And we can clearly He knows I never said that. No, I want to clarify that real quick. I never said choosing nature over the books because the the books are actually a reflection of of nature. Nature's everything. I'm saying that I clearly said before we learn anything, we need to cleanse our body. Then we then I You need to go back to the All right. So, he's I just want to clear that up because he said that and told me I need to go back to the books when I'm like, "Yo, brother, I just told after what you just said.
>> Bro, after I'm telling you the very honest truth, God.
>> with most of what you >> I'm I'm telling you Listen, listen.
>> This is a problem. Listen, this is not a problem.
What we need to understand is this.
There There is no one higher than us.
That's it. We are humanity. Humanity is humanity and that's why I said when it comes to spirituality, we have to remember the African African man and woman were the original humans on this planet. We then genetically modified into every other race. Therefore, that race is us just a genetically modified version of it. It doesn't make it separate of us. I don't disagree with These are children. I don't disagree with that. Listen, it's no way we can be held and captivated by someone that is our child, our genetically modified version of us. The only thing that's keeping us imprisoned is our inability our inability to actually understand knowledge itself. Once you know who you are, there's no one that can enslave you.
There's no one that cannot What what I'm What I'm saying to you And and who you are Who you are If you truly understood >> enslave you mentally. No, mentally all is mental. All is mental. Let me tell you something. All is mental. Their system is only standing right here because we built it.
We did this to ourselves. I'm going to go deeper. Can we talk about history now? Who built this economy?
We did.
We were slaves, right?
>> built on our backs. Of course it was built on our backs, but it wasn't built on the backs of kings and queens. It were built on the backs of slaves.
Enslaved. Listen to me.
Slavery was big business.
We made slaves. Africans made subservants and slaves. We sold Let me Let me Let me finish what I'm saying to you.
We did this to ourselves.
Even the Bible said we did it to ourselves. Back to the Bible.
>> It doesn't matter. See, when I use >> say his When you say history When you say history we could look in the history.
We could look in the history. We could look in Ghana. We could see in Ghana where Africans sold Africans to Europeans. We can go to the dungeons in in Ghana and see how how a slave was a human that was created to be a slave.
You had to You had to suppress a person from knowledge of self to make a a slave. Let me Let me Let me finish cuz we going to talk about history now.
Now, when it came to creating another human to be a slave, whether that was African melanated or not, when it comes to history, when you say history, we have done this to ourselves.
Let me Let me say this.
We created slaves. You create a slaves by wiping his memory, his history and never giving it any name or anything. We We did that. We made dungeons and We made the dungeons. We created slaves for European people. It was big business.
This is And this is history. Is not.
>> That is the truth. Go look it up yourself. Don't Don't take my word.
Don't take my word. Don't take my word.
>> to Ghana to see the dungeons?
>> Don't take my word. Research it.
Africans sold Africans to Europeans.
That is a fact. This is problematic. Do you understand what I'm saying to you?
What I'm saying to you is that we did this to ourselves.
And and and bigger than that, humanity has done humanity wrong. Let's go bigger than white people, black people.
Humanity has done Hitler and the Germans did the Jews wrong for a certain purpose or whatever they felt they needed to do. If you put a whole bunch >> did that to themselves, right? Right.
The Jews did them to the Listen. Listen.
>> put themselves in the oven, right?
>> Abs- absolutely. What I'm saying is >> Hitler What I'm Here's what I Here's what I'm trying to explain to you and y'all not Y'all not comprehending it.
>> You said Hitler done them wrong.
>> Yeah. What I'm saying is I was giving >> do them wrong or did they do themselves wrong?
>> Ex- Did they put THEIR BABIES IN THE OVEN and cook their own babies?
>> Listen to what I'm saying to you, brother.
>> I know who's going to ask the question.
>> Listen. Listen. Listen to what I'm saying. What You're trying to compartmentalize different kind of humans and say that this human and this human What I'm telling you What I'm telling you is this. Oc, listen to what I'm saying to you. Listen.
You're compartmentalizing different humans. I'm talking about collectively.
This is the big mind. I'm talking about Look at it globally. You're so stuck in black history that you're not looking at the global approach of humanity and what it's done to itself.
Listen. When When When When Allah came and descended into humanity, consciousness Well, you don't call it Allah or God. Let's say consciousness.
Consciousness Consciousness and you can laugh because you >> out of your league.
>> I'm definitely out of not out of You're out of your league. You said Allah came >> No, no, no. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.
Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.
Stop. Stop. Because I'm I could I'm clearly going over y'all head.
>> Oh, yeah, that's it.
>> I'm going over y'all head. Listen.
What I'm trying to explain to you, you're trying to get into the details of what other humans did to other humans.
I'm I'm going beyond that. You're not listening to to understand. You're listening with an argument in your mind.
Listen to what I'm saying to you. I'm saying humans have done horrific things to humans.
Do you understand what I'm saying to you when I that?
>> we don't know, brother.
>> Listen to what I'm saying. We have no enemy.
>> Okay, see that. It's only this Listen.
Listen to what I'm saying to you. Listen what I'm saying to you. There's only good and then there's evil.
What is righteous and what is defiled.
You understand what I'm saying? If we look at that alone and we look at how black people and slaves were created, slaves were created.
You understand? Slaves is not how humans That's not a birthright of a human. That was created by Africans. Black people did this to each other. Period. We did We We beginning of all things. We don't like to say that. We don't like to say the fact that we are responsible for everything, but then at the same time we're pharaohs and kings and gods.
>> say that. But we But we haven't We haven't taken responsibility that the pharaohs and the kings and gods made slaves and they sold those slaves to We actually made the people that we sold to the slaves as well.
We made We not only made white people, we made Asian out of our own DNA. This is our own reflection. What I'm saying is this is And I'mma give it to you like this. Separation is an illusion.
So, you could talk about sep- separatism all you want. That's not the most high consciousness. We are the most high consciousness. We come to here to give you the highest perspective on what's going on. You could talk about the people to the people about what's happening to this group of people, right? This so-called group of people and not look at the things globally and understand that this same group of people were once at the highest peak of rulership and had descended and from disobeying the laws of nature had now been put in the captivity. These same people >> is it disobeying the laws of nature or they intended to do that to themselves?
>> Disobeying the law the laws of nature my outlaw hermetic principles, get getting outside of the tune of nature, we descended. You're outlawed. We descended. Well, I'm not outlawed. This is very It's very right here. What I'm telling you right now I'm not. You are.
You are. Well, I'm telling you one thing is that the black man is God. Okay. The black man and woman is God. Okay.
Originally, the most high came down, ruled, and became and and decided to become the devil, too.
So, we became the devil. We we we we we made the devil. We allowed the devil to take us into captivity. We become the devil now. We're just like the devil.
We're black, but inside, spiritually, we're just like white people. We're just like the white people we hate or the lower self. Now, you can't even judge who is who because everything is mixed up and you only have to judge someone from their from their creed and from their heart. Okay. Mhm.
Let me say to you that there's a lot that you've said that is convoluted.
That's your opinion. And I think It is my opinion. I want to explain why I have that opinion. Um and and I really do believe that some of this you probably should have spoken to someone who had studied the history and also as a as a practitioner about No, no, it's not meant to be an insult.
I'm really not trying to insult you.
>> Well, just teach then. So, let me say what you're saying. Let Let me say Let me say this. Let me say this.
I really believe that um sometimes when you have ideas, you share them with people whose ideas you respect and you hone those ideas. And I'm wondering whether that's something that you've done because some of what you you are saying violates the historical record.
>> Tell us the history, brother.
>> It sounds a lot like It sounds It sounds a lot like It sounds a lot It sounds a lot like It sounds a lot like brother brother brother, stop. Stop.
Stop. Stop. Stop. You spoke for a long time >> care. What I'm saying >> and I let you speak and I want to say that I am disagreeing with what you said. Now, if you did not think that I was going to disagree with what you said, if you're going to say if you don't believe that I can disagree with what you said, well, let me explain why I disagreed with you. So, listen clearly. Listen clearly. Listen clearly.
I am not trying to offend him.
I am trying to correct the record.
And if correcting the record offends you, then you need to reevaluate your your condition to the record. So, listen to what I am saying. Listen to what I am saying. First, you said that that race doesn't really exist.
Then you said the black man and woman are God.
Who is the black man if the race does not exist? This is confusing.
And it's not confusing cuz we don't understand. What he said is confusing because I don't think he's thought about it enough. And the other thing is and the other thing here is he said I had a problem with comprehension. I didn't sit here and say I was offended. I just listened.
And now I am responding.
So, let me move.
I'm I'm talking about what you said.
Now, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME talking about what you said, then you're not equipped to have a conversation.
So, let me say let me also say very clearly that saying there's a difference Let me Let me take the the 30,000 Let me take the 30,000 foot view.
There's a difference between I hope you hear what I'm saying here. There's a difference between blame and responsibility.
I'mma say it again cuz it's going Some of you are not going to hear what I said. There's a difference between blame and responsibility. The problem is people who have not reached a level of intellectual, spiritual, emotional, and moral maturity don't understand that there is a difference. I'm not saying that's you. Don't look at me like that.
I'm not saying that's you. Okay, cuz he gave me a look like, "What are you saying?" I'm not saying that's you.
But, I think that some people don't understand the difference between blame and responsibility. The Tom who the European did dastardly things to us.
They should be blamed for it. But, if we think that it's their responsibility to undo it, then we're we we would might as well be in chains again. Literally physical chains. So, it is our responsibility to undo that which what was that which was done.
>> That's the key. And so, I think that it is important for us to recognize that in order to say we have work to do, we need not exculpate the European. And the way I read the way I heard what he said, and I don't know if this was his intention or not. But, the way I heard what he said was that he was giving the European a pass by saying, "We did it."
And I don't think that that is appropriate. I think that we need to hold them account for what happened.
While recognizing that, and this is the part that I'm agree with what you said.
While recognizing that you don't agree with that. Okay, so you don't agree with that part. But, but while but while while while recognizing at the same time that one of the only ways that they were able to dehumanize us is for us to forget who we were. That happened >> But, that doesn't mean that we did it.
That happened before we got on the boat.
I don't think that that's >> dehumanized before we got on the boat.
>> No, no, no, no. Yeah, I agree we would No, we all agree on that. If that No, wait, wait, wait. Wait. The last I want to say this before I give it to him. The last part what you said when you clarified, we were dehumanized before we got on the boat, that's true.
That's facts. We won't disagree on that.
>> Yeah. But, but I but I do want to hold him I do want to hold him accountable for some things that he said that I will argue it's not even an argument. When you look at the historical record, they are untrue. Africans did not build a a slave dungeon to enslave people.
They did not do that. In fact, if you look at the record of the dungeons, particularly in Ghana, Mhm. what you're going to see is the chief in the area actually didn't even want to give them land at first.
I'm talking about the Portuguese, the first people to build a dungeon in Ghana. We're talking about Ghana, so let's talk about what happened. How did the Portuguese able to come into Ghana?
They were coming with trade. People trade all the time. They were They were >> of the trades? Not in the beginning.
Not in the beginning. The first Yes, it did. The first trade that they began was was trade like any nations would have.
And they came there in what the African would have believed was respect.
In the beginning.
>> going to put no responsibility on us at all. No, that's not what I'm saying.
>> Okay. No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying that of course we have responsibility for for Now, see, that's where I'm going to disagree.
>> Absolutely. That's where I'm going to disagree. It's a level It's about gradients.
>> It is. I think that what we have to recognize >> sins in African people. Okay. So, you you you explain.
>> Okay. It's about the seven deadly sins that play out in the African man. The white man actually is a reflection of ourselves, which came out of us to show us our own selves. We were the original devils. We the original evil. We are the original gods and we are the original devils. We like to call ourselves gods, but don't take accountability for the devil. The devil came out of us as the Caucasian, the Asian, and everything else to show us ourselves, to reflect ourselves is the only way. Sometimes in life, you need to see yourself by dealing with someone else. Sometimes we don't even know we wrong until someone does it to us.
So, we This is a This is the pendulum swinging. What I'm telling you is all the original evil happened in Africa by African people. White people are nothing more than a reflection of us in the universe to to us our lowest self, but it was originated and all originated the spirit. All spirits originated in the original man and woman.
I'm going to I'm going to say that you are over simplifying that. It's simple.
And I think that when you over simplify it, it becomes less and less accurate.
It becomes less accurate.
Um you could say that Jabari flew from downtown Manhattan to home.
I did not fly. I took a train. But if you over simplify the fact that I came I went at a certain speed, maybe you can say I flew. It but it's less accurate when you get less >> You traveled. It's less Yeah, but that would be more accurate. I'm saying what you're doing is less accurate.
>> No, it's not. Because in actuality, if we look at the record, and you know, folks who actually talk about our enslavement, um I'm not sure if they have studied the record. Because you know why? They're not They never talk about the Africans who fought and fought and fought and fought. They only talk about the Africans who are complicit.
Why is it that we don't talk about the Africans who fought on the coast, on the ships, and even here?
Why don't we talk about that?
>> we talk about the good white people who helped us?
>> what happens >> we talk about all these good white people who helped >> is it becomes it's out of scale. And so we don't really understand what happened.
Our brother even said that we built those dungeons. And I want to I'm going to hold you accountable for that. We did not build those dungeons.
We did not build those dungeons.
>> So that So that And I'm going to And I'm going to say to you that Africans >> Who built it? I'm going to The Portuguese built them. The Dutch built them. The British built them.
>> out and built those those dungeons with their hands.
>> [laughter] >> Yes. Wow. Okay. They came out and built those dungeons.
>> understand understand that the way that this works to some degree is different than what people believe. I'm talking about the earliest dungeons.
Those are built by Europeans.
And when they built those, they weren't the first ones Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. The first See, you're not listening again.
You're not listening again.
I would I should be offended when you do that.
So, I I want you to understand that when you look at the earliest dungeons, those dungeons actually weren't even built for enslavement.
They were built for trade.
They weren't built for the holding human bodies.
So, what I'm trying to explain to you is that when you look at the the actual record of what occurred, you're going to see that it's different than when you over simplify. Cuz when you over simplify it, you lose the accuracy.
That's what I'm challenging you on. And what I'll do is, respectfully, what I will do is I will give you the dates, tell you exactly what the conversation of the African chiefs in the area was, and then you could say You could say, "Well, maybe it wasn't exactly as I understood." Cuz I'm not sure if you've read that.
I'm not sure if you've read that.
I don't think most people have read it.
[laughter] It's not just him. Most Africans overall We're talking about less than 1%.
No, I want to There's a lot of dates.
And I So, I want to I want to build it properly. But, let me say to you that when you look at what happened there, we have to do several things in order to understand our enslavement.
First of all, we have to understand the cultural milieu that the European came into.
There were Africans in different groups who were at war with each other.
And what they did at times is they would say, "Well, I'm going to get rid of my enemy."
I don't think that even those people that were willing to sell an enemy understood what they were being sold into because Africans had no sense of what was happening on the other side of the waters. This is the same thing that happened to the Native American by the way. Native Americans had battles with each other and sold each other into war.
Why don't we ever say that about the Native American? Because when the Native American saw what was happening, they began to revolt AND SAY THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAID. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
In addition to that, some of the people who were most culpable were the offspring of the European and the African.
Why?
Because after the European had done dastardly things and had children, the Africans wouldn't trust to work with them and the European saw them as their their miscegenist miscegenationist offspring. So, they didn't trust them either. They occurred in a in a really difficult space. They are some of the people that are most culpable as well.
But then overall, there's something else we need to do.
If you and I are going to rob something, right? We both messed up cuz we both robbing somebody, right? And you think that you going to steal someone's sneakers and after you take the sneakers, you realize that the person was going to steal their entire house, their families wealth, that take their kids, you would say, "Wait a minute. I'M NOT PART of that. I JUST WANTED SOME SNEAKERS."
You were wrong, but you didn't understand the severity of the the the the evil that was being done.
Yo, I'm sorry y'all, but I got to stop this for a minute.
I want y'all to read the comment on the screen.
Evidently, truth seeks you don't know the history of Nature Boy.
He don't know who Nature Boy is.
For him to constantly make statements like this.
He don't know who Nature Boy is, bro.
Do your homework, my brother, before you make ignorant comments like this.
Please.
That's all I'm asking.
Please.
In many ways, that's what happened to Africans.
I think that they're both evil, but we have to recognize that the person that was trying to destroy an entire group of people, they were these Europeans were doing something that is extremely inhumane. Because humans do messed up things to each other. They've They always have. I mean, humans will do messed up things to each other. But one of those crimes was a crime against humanity. That's different.
And then the other thing that This is the final thing. I'm going to give you the the mic. The other thing that we have to recognize is why is it that we don't follow the dollars?
Those Africans who had a role in our enslavement did not receive inordinate financial, social, or or or political benefit. The people who received 99.9% of the benefits were the European. In fact, they still own the things that they sold us from.
And we're so willing to blame the African, impoverished, and destitute. But we're not willing to blame the European who still owns the things. When I worked at the Schomburg Library, the Schomburg Library got a grant from New York Life Insurance. And we didn't know why they wanted to give us all this money out of the blue.
And I remember at the table someone said, "Mhm, they must have done something messed up." Well, guess what happened after they gave us the money?
It was reported that they it had now been proved that they were they were built as an insurance company because they had insured and made millions of dollars at a time when millions of dollars is like billions of dollars in our enslavement.
There are individuals and institutions today that are still benefiting and we want to run after the person that did the least.
How about we run after the person that did the most first?
And the funny thing is the person that did the least is the only one that's apologized and given anything.
First of all, first of all >> when it comes to what they get within their society that in their concepts of living and look their culture >> The African? No, the European. On what we get Right. from what as slaves we built we shouldn't value anything that they're doing because it goes against our true spirituality.
>> Who's the they? I'm not I don't understand what you're saying.
>> They is what you're calling the European. That you're saying that we we're suffering >> that the European is doing >> Right. We we think of black sub success or black excellence as being Europeans.
Not being who we truly were which were indigenous to the land. We If we was to actually be black excellence, we wouldn't even care about what they what what they value their cars, their clothes, their their labels. We wouldn't even care about what they have. We wouldn't We wouldn't even We We wouldn't care about their reward shows. We wouldn't We wouldn't hold ourselves to their standards because we would have our own standards. We have love for self. Even asking for repre repri reparation or land or equality is to say you are beneath that we are beneath them. What I'm saying to you, we have to devalue the whole system all together. We're not looking for equal rights at all. We're looking for segregation. We're looking for self-love. We're looking for separation.
>> that we should be looking for segre- segregation. And I'm not talking about just black people. I'm talking about good people.
I'm I'm not talking about I'm talking about good humans. Forget At this point, I'm not talking about just black See, I understand that y'all have an agenda.
This is a Black News TV. And let me tell you something. A a true speaker has no friends. I'm I'm here to tell you the truth cuz you need to hear it every now and then. We get so stuck up in arguing about black this, black that, black this, black that. We forget it ain't about being black. You have no friends. You brought two brothers with you.
>> [laughter] >> I'm the only one sitting here by myself.
Oh.
No, I'm saying >> [laughter] >> I know it's a joke, but I have I have white people. Uh-huh. I have a what you would call a Caucasian. I have Asian. I have Indian.
Well, well, white Okay. Okay, white. Right. Black Whatever we say politically, I have all races in my camp.
My camp is united. If you're a good person, you got a good heart, your chart says you're a good person, you're allowed in. You're my people. Okay. My people aren't a a certain com- Matter of fact, melanin is all the hues of brown on the earth. There is I only see brown.
Where you see pink or white, I see brown. I see I see a lack of melanin.
Why don't you give them the white test then if you think that they are When you say the white test, what do you mean?
Well, the white people that's in your movement, right? Give them a white test.
What do you mean? Tell them that you want them to go out on the movement and ask the white people, their brothers and sisters >> Better than that. Go ahead. Go [laughter] ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Ask their people to give back all all riches that they have stolen from all the people of color like in particular AFRICAN PEOPLE. SEE IF THEY WOULD STAND up and fight for for you.
Number one.
>> So if they good people, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE no problem with going out there fighting white people to give back stolen goods to our ancestors.
>> Right. First of all, ain't no such ain't no such thing as stolen goods.
What? Listen to what I'm saying to you.
These all the things that you desire from your so-called oppressor Who are you talking about, chief? not be valued.
Who are you talking about, chief? I'm telling you that no one stole anything from you.
We gave it to them. Oh.
Okay, let let me finish what I was saying. I keep Until y'all understand that will you ever stop being slaves?
Remember I told you that. Until you understand that you gave it to them and they ain't stole nothing from you, you gave it to them.
Will you ever stop being slaves? All of you. How did we give it to them? Listen to me. We allowed them to do it.
>> How did we allow Because we stopped being in tune with the laws of the universe and the laws of nature. We took in See, listen listen to what I'm saying to you. I'm going to tell you Listen.
>> what happened, brother. I'm going to tell you what happened. It is It's happened today. HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU DON'T READ THE HISTORY BOOKS?
>> need history. All history is repetitive.
Like I'm telling you right now, everything is happening to right now, right here. We don't have to look too deep into history to see the repent Look, nothing is new under the sun. Look at what we do today.
Hip hop, right? Started out where? In New York. It was ours.
Right? Now, what we do? We sell out.
That's what we do. For for whipping and chain, for anything, we'll sell out. We have no moral standards. We will do whatever We'll put on a dress. No.
Listen to what I'm saying to you, brother.
>> You know how they got hip hop? Listen.
Do you KNOW HOW THEY GOT HIP HOP?
>> WHO? By doing what you doing today with your movement saying everybody is everybody. No, no, no. And white folks come No, no, no, no. No, no. What I'm saying to you is a spirit. loving people. THAT IS THE TRUTH. WE LOVE EVERYBODY. NO. But I >> I'm telling Meanwhile, meanwhile the so-called Jews and the Europeans, they see THEMSELVES FIRST BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THE LAWS OF NATURE, SELF-PRESERVATION. I WILL TAKE CARE OF MY WHITE BABY BEFORE I FEED THAT BLACK BABY. THEY AIN'T TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT. OH, NO, IT'S ABOUT IT'S NOT ABOUT SKIN COLOR. BROTHER, YOU GOT TO WAKE UP. THEY NOT TALKING LIKE THAT.
OKAY.
>> THEY'LL FEED THEIR CHILDREN BEFORE THEY FEED A BLACK BABY. THEY WILL. They are.
They feed >> [laughter] >> THEMSELVES FIRST. THEY ARE. AND GUESS WHAT? AIN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. WE THE ONES THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SIDE.
>> It's not a It's not a we thing. That's just a human thing. Any human's going to feed themselves before anybody else. Any human. I don't care if it's a white man or Chinese man or a black man. What I'm Yes, that's what we do. We We definitely are greedy. We definitely want to feed ourselves. That's why we sell out cuz we want to feed ourselves first. We don't think about the collective. We don't We don't Look at Oprah.
Look at Look at Michael Jordan. Look at you do We have enough money to free ourselves. We have enough million and billionaires. We have billionaires.
WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to free ourselves, buy land, and be out of here.
Do we not? I agree with you. But But they put themselves first. So, that is the same spirit I'm talking about. It's the seven deadly sins. It's called greed.
That is the same spirit today that lived back in Africa. I don't need history to see what's in front of me. What I'm saying to you is that of how we did this thing to ourselves. How I'm tell I'm showing you right now. I'm I'm tell I'm I'm literally telling you Hold on. Hold on, brother. I'm literally telling you that we Until we realize we're doing this to ourselves, will we ever get out of captivity? If we keep trying to blame somebody Listen, bro. Listen to what I'm saying.
WHY?
LISTEN. YOU HAVE TO WHEN IN THIS IN this in in a way you have to blame your mom and I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. This is why. This is why you have to blame your mother cuz your mother didn't know.
That's why. Your mother didn't know.
She didn't know because because of the circumstances. Listen.
She didn't know because of the circumstances. Her mother didn't know because of the circumstances. Now we're going to look at that and that as as far as as far as time and history as far as our ancestors to a certain point. We Let me finish.
Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish.
You guys are being SHOWED SHOWED.
You're not You're not listening. You're not listening.
You're not Yeah. No. In their minds they were right.
In their minds they were doing the right thing.
At the time they're they're not right.
Of course not. They're not right.
They're not right. Listen to what I'm saying to you. Listen to what But I'm telling you this something before that I'm telling you we did that to ourselves. Now I'm not You're looking at a time and a place where we're in it.
I'm talking about how we got there.
I'm talking about how did we get to a point where we're getting hung from trees and we're here building economy.
We're talking about we decided to do that to ourselves. example of how we decided to do that. As far a a tangible historical example. Because this is why I'm saying I don't think you've studied the history. Give me a tangible example of how we did that to ourselves.
>> I just did.
>> no no. Not one that you believe happened.
>> just did. I just today.
>> Tell me a name. Tell me a space. Tell me a time.
>> told Listen, here's the thing about time. Nothing is I'm trying to tell you.
Listen to me.
Time is time it just keeps cycling.
We're We're living in a loop. What I'm saying is there's no Listen, there's Listen, listen, listen to what I'm saying to you, Sannetta. This is why y'all keep talking about the same stuff on these channels and y'all don't got no new content cuz y'all are stuck. YOU AIN'T GETTING STOP, BRO. I'M TRYING TO teach you something beyond what y'all continue Now, I'm serious. I'm trying to give you something I'm trying to give y'all something beyond Hold Hold your horses. I'm trying to give y'all something The past, future, and the presents are right here. I'm still waiting on the example, Listen to what I'm saying, bro. You got to be quiet.
You got to be quiet. The past If you got to let me finish. The past, future, and presents exists in the present. Nothing is new under the sun. It's the same spirit in a different modern-day form.
So, what you're seeing today is what was going on back then. If you study with the behavior of people today, you can pretty much understand the history of the past. And that's what you need to realize. This is something that's This is spirituality one-on-one. We can understand and relate to the past by understanding the present. So, if we look in the present, we're doing the same [ __ ] right now is what I'm saying to you. The spirit lives today.
Today, we have money, we have enough resources right now to leave and separate, but we sit here talking about how he still owe us something. Nobody owe you nothing. You got our own freedom in the palm of our hand and we just won't do it cuz we too greedy.
>> Okay. Can I Can I And that's the same reason why we became slaves.
Let Let me Let me say this.
If you're going to talk about a historical argument, you have to have read the history. And I want him to I want him to tell us how to You can't make a I can't tell you what you Listen to me. I can't tell you what you did yesterday.
I can't tell you what you did yesterday cuz I was not there. I didn't ask you what you did yesterday. I didn't read what you did yesterday. But I It would be ridiculous for me to assume that you did something yesterday by looking at you today. That is what you're asking me to do. That I understand what you did yesterday based on seeing you right here today. That would be a ridiculous claim, and that's the claim you're making. You said the way we know the history >> even be >> is by looking at we That's not That's not what I'm disagreeing with. That's not what I'm disagreeing with. Mhm.
What I'm saying is is that you have to know what happened, how it happened, who did it, where it happened. That's the reason why Malcolm X, El Hajj Malik El Shabazz, actually says that [snorts] history is the field of study best equipped to reward the searcher. That's what we have to do. So, this is the issue. Listen to me. Listen to me. That's why you have to study it.
No, you don't The other thing is this.
When we look at our enslavement and what happened in our enslavement, if we don't study it in very detailed fashion, we won't understand where the resources went.
And so, we have to We can't just say we see what's happening now, we understand what happened then. We need to be able to follow the trail like detectives.
Because the people who got in control of this global system are still in control of that global system.
And so, when we say that this is not about us, there's no us, there's no we, that is just good people and bad people, the people who are in control of those resources are very happy.
Because it lets them off the hook.
We have to hold them accountable for what they did and what they're still doing. Right. And they are doing it not just according to race, cuz race to some degree is something they created so they could they can control everybody. Right.
Right? But on the same token, it is still about race because the people who are at the top are Europeans. They're not going to let an African be there.
They're not. By the way, we talk about Oprah Winfrey and other people who are very wealthy.
And you know the funny thing about this?
The overwhelming majority of them are not of African descent. If you looked at Oprah Winfrey's wealth, Robert Smith's wealth, and all all the millionaires in the black community, it would be dwarfed entirely by the wealth in the European community.
So, we have to recognize that we have to follow This is a crime scene.
You don't go into a crime scene and say, "I understand that people get murdered, so I know what happened." That's not IF YOU DID THAT, YOU WOULD NEVER CATCH THE PERSON WHO MURDERED SOMEBODY. You have to now study the scene.
And that's why I'm I'm holding you accountable for really reading the the history as opposed to just assuming that you understand it because you understand what's happening now. Because it's not that simple. If you oversimplify it, you're going to let a lot of criminals and murderers off the hook. That's exactly what they want you to do.
>> Mhm.
First, I want to say the concept of owning came from the European.
Indigenous people didn't understand at Oh, let me say you something.
The way you're talking about it. The way I'm talking >> talking about owning wealth, when we talking about owning with values, what you have to understand is that the European system of owning something is not the the original spirituality of humanity. It's not >> disagree with you on that.
>> No, because you can't own your arm. But I wouldn't disagree with you on that.
>> Listen.
Damn.
I miss when Sa Ra Netra hosted these in-person debate discussions.
He took all down.
Family, the The why I don't do too much of it is because the people don't support.
And most of the people that I would bring in, they want to get compensated.
They want to get um you know, something.
And so, the people don't support like I've been asking you to. And so, therefore, I got to result to StreamYard.
Because the people don't support.
And it's only five to 10 dollars, whatever you can afford to the Cash App.
So, remember I used to have to pay Shaka, all of these dudes, man.
You know, for coming up. And most of the time the money was coming out my pocket.
Because the people don't support.
You know, and so I had to fall back a little bit. That's all it is. That's all.
But I damn sure would like to get back to to that. And it's not so much money that they be wanting. Some want 300. Some people will say, "Give me 250." Some people the top ones will be at "Give me a G." And so, y'all don't want that?
Y'all don't want Umar?
Whether you like Umar or not, the brother still bring that fire information. Right or wrong?
Right? Did y'all see that video he did breaking down Kevin Hart coonery ass?
Crazy. That [ __ ] was powerful.
It was powerful.
I'm I'm not saying you are. But you I'm saying But you I'm I'm I'm talking to I'm rebutting what you said. You said our value of things, right?
Is or the Europeans value of things is what he can own as far as the resources, but we're sitting on the resources that built their economy. I mean, even China, all these countries or all these what you call races are building their countries off of African resources. We know that. Without Africa, we know through Gaddafi there would be none there would be we would turn into third world country to this day.
If we transferred all of the commerce into gold, you know Africa would be >> closed the borders Right. and said nothing comes out of here.
>> Right. Yes.
>> Yes, so therefore Africa is the most richest place on the earth.
That means that Africans Facts. are the most richest people on earth. But they don't own it though.
>> VALUE IT.
>> OH, NO, that's not what's happening.
>> Okay, it's not about ownership. We don't We listen it's because the original way of Africa is not to own anything, but that we Let me let me >> the original way to Africa is not to own >> I didn't Come on, brother. Let me finish talking, brother. Yeah, listen, I'm saying the original way of thinking African spirituality is we you couldn't come to us and say we own this piece of land. We we didn't understand that. How can you own land? Can you own your arm?
Let me let me Let me finish, brother. Let me finish, brother.
African people shared. We shared. You understand? We had a loving we shared it was no ownership. It was only proper space for each other and you know, you have this space I have this space, but at the end of the day no one understood the concept of owning anything. It's like asking the question. This is the original I will give you the original spirituality.
Listen.
Listen.
Listen. I'm talking I'm And so Here's Here's the thing about Here's the thing about history and I'm I'm going to get to history. But first of all, I'm going to give you the original spirituality.
A spirit original spirituality.
Can you own your arm?
Do you own your eyeball?
Then you can't own the tree and you can't own the land. It is the same thing and is an extension of you. It is for you to utilize. You can't own it.
You don't have Let's imagine we go to the to the to the point of saying and literally they do because they got birth certificates they own you and and I'm I'm listening to me. Listen to what I'm saying. As much as you can own your arm can you own land? Yes.
Listen to me. Do you agree with what you just >> What I'm saying is until we get back to this concept of thinking will we ever be truly free? And and listen to what I'm saying to you, brother. I'm saying that you cannot own your arm just as much as you can own a tree.
The tree will outlive you. The The you cannot own the earth. It will outlive you. You cannot own it.
And you can't own something that you cannot obtain. You can't own water.
People have went as far to said that they own the sun.
Listen to what what That's another That's another topic.
Listen, people people He knows that. He just know that, right?
>> You see You see This is what I This is I I have to say this. What? Because you guys do this all the time. Do what? You won't let your platform grow. You won't grow because you're stuck in Africanism, you're stuck in Pan-Africanism, and you will not grow into gods.
It's like people saying you're stuck in European culture. You're stuck in You're stuck in Jewish culture. They give you that >> Absolutely. ABSOLUTELY.
LISTEN Listen to what I'm saying. LISTEN TO LISTEN.
NO.
NO.
WE DARE NOT LISTEN, WHAT I'm saying what what I'm saying to you is it's simply as you leaving so that you won't have to celebrate Christmas no more or hear those music no more. It's as simple as you leaving, Sanata. You taking your little wealth or whatever you have and and alchemizing it and leaving this culture. Stop complaining about it.
Where would you go? Oh my god, have you traveled?
>> Where would All the time. Oh my god, this is a big planet.
Brother in the jungle. You know you're in control of the jungle.
>> You can leave. Brother. Listen to me.
Listen to me very closely. Listen.
>> a personal question?
>> Listen to me what I'm saying. Listen to what I'm saying to you.
>> a personal question? Why y'all won't let me finish my points? I see what's going on here, y'all.
>> It's been going on for a while. No, I I'm really not. You keep cutting me off.
Every time I'm saying something.
>> I'm going to be quiet. I'm going >> Listen. Listen. I I was trying to make a point originally. Originally Originally is that you can't own a That's a That is a spirituality. That's original spirituality. You're talking politics now. You're talking about European politics versus what I'm trying to tell you originally. This is why African people in Africa do not are not the richest people on Earth, but they're sitting under what Europeans find to be rich and have made societies where people believed into these riches to make them valuable. What I'm saying to us is not valuable. To us, we didn't value these things. We valued nature. We had a celebration for every fruit.
Every day there was a celebration of nature. We praised and worshipped nature. Every day of the week there was a different thing we worshipped from a roach to a ant to a damn elephant to the to the watermelon to the to the mango.
Every day was a festival of appraising God through nature. That's what our culture is. So, when you're talking about how black how black people don't can't see and just get up and and and and be rich like the white man because we don't value the same things. We are God. We are God. So, at the end of the day when you see these poor countries, they come in and and build the European stuff, it's our spirit to not really value those things. You can go to these countries >> What's happening? And there's another point I want to talk about. I want to talk about um what's going on here.
Yeah, you're talking about what's going on. I want to see if you I realize that we are on a certain media.
And there's a certain agenda platform in the media. There's a certain agenda here that keeps your audience happy. You know, there's a certain thing that your audience wants to hear. I get that. And I and and and your your your black power.
Your audience wants to hear black power.
>> That's not true. I understand that.
>> with black power?
>> And that's okay.
>> [laughter] >> It's not truth because it's limiting.
Listen. Listen, the problem with black power is that we have to realize it goes beyond just dark-skinned pigmented people. We're limiting ourselves. We're limiting ourselves. And I have to say this on this platform because we're limiting our ability to learn and grow because we can't get past um our oppression and coming out of our oppression. I've been All right. So, what I'm saying to you is on your platform we are going to be limited.
We are going to be limited as long as we limit ourselves to black power.
And now at this point in 2020 you're being left behind in consciousness. Consciousness goes beyond black power. We have to come out of that. Now, you I I was trying to say something else and you totally distracted me from that. And that's cool. I understand that you don't >> mic for a long time.
>> No, no, I'm just I'm making a point which I keep in the middle of me talking blurting out stuff like the white man.
So, what I'm saying to you is this.
It's past black power.
It's and and you >> it is. And and I'm talking about >> for yourself. I I'm I'm going to say I'm going to say I'm going to say consciousness.
>> never be past black power. Now, what I'm saying what I'm saying to you is this.
If you really about understood what black means then you will understand >> what black means. Right. And play MY NOT TO YOUR DEFINITION. RIGHT. So >> To me, brother. Right. Black should mean original peace, harmony, my'at. It should be balance, it should be purity.
And if we are the most supreme beings, we cannot limit ourselves to a color of skin. We can't because it's bigger than our color. It's bigger >> our color of skin is not black, brother.
Well, I Well, I know that. Well, you know, we're talking politically. HOW IS HE TALKING ABOUT THE NATURE? WE DON'T LIMIT OURSELVES TO OUR I'M TALKING POLITICALLY. I'm talking politically, brother. I'm talking politically as far as melanated people and empowerment. That's what I was going to say. Okay. Okay.
Good. Now I got my point back. Please don't Okay.
I totally understand the psychology behind it is because we've been oppressed to have the right to have the human right to have dignity in ourselves. So, anytime if I was to put you over here and take you and give you no food at all and say you ain't got you you you can't have no food and starve you for years.
And then finally you get to get something to eat, of course you're going to be greedy. And same thing will happen with the group of homosexuals. When you put homosexuals and you deny them the rights, they come out with what? Gay pride. When you deny black people rights, they come out with extremities. We These are extremities.
These black power groups or black power or trying to find self-importance at an extreme level.
We can we It's It's a reverse psychology from us actually being balanced and Let me finish, brother. Actually being balanced in my and truly my'at. You cannot be my'at and hate white people. You cannot be my'at and not forgive white people. You cannot be my'at and not see past the mistakes in humanity. Not one of us said we hate Brother, brother, brother, let me finish, let me finish, let me finish, let me finish.
But, let me finish. So, what we what we cannot say is that we're excellent or in a moral standard and and say that we're for black people specifically because they've been oppressed because we're not oppressed no more. We're really not oppressed no more. And I'mma tell you the truth right now, we're free because we have the knowledge and wisdom to get ourselves out. The oppression is when you don't have the ability or the knowledge to get yourself out of your your situation or your position. We now have the ability and the position and the financial position and all of that to free our own selves. The door to the prison is now open. And now we are the one to blame and that's why I'm holding accountable.
Africans did the most intricate surveying because they did own.
They did own. And that's the way they were able to build an incredible society. In fact, they didn't just own on their own continent.
They sent armies to other place to be in control, too.
In actuality, when you say that you can't own land or tree, in some ways metaphysically, I agree with you. But, the reality is what makes you the owner is power.
We're not talking about ownership. We're not talking about cars, we're not talking about chains, we're not talking about bottles of liquor. We're talking about power.
And that's why I have no problem with saying the word black power because we have been the people that have been out of power >> [snorts] >> for at least 500 years, if not the last two millennia.
What is power to you? Power is the ability to dictate what happens and enforce it to happen.
And we That's what power is. We do You have that. We We have it. We don't have Africa. No, we don't. Most of those Most of the leaders in Africa Wait a minute, listen. Most of the Most of the leaders in Africa many of Let me say many of the leaders in Africa are still at the behest of mechanisms that they don't control.
How did they get Like so but listen, listen. You have to study things that are like structural adjustment. Have you ever heard of structural adjustment?
Okay, because one of the things that you have to understand is that even when there is a leader that is actually looking to work for their people, there are mechanisms to prevent them from being in control.
So, some foreign power can even be in control. Some of it is an army and a gun.
>> It's just that. It's only that. It's that simple.
>> And And I don't know why he makes an army and a gun sound simple. Because if the police ran up in here right now, we would actually have to yield. Yeah.
And that's unfortunate.
>> Cuz you have a gun. Yeah, but they have the guns. They've In fact, they make the guns.
>> And manpower and united and you And they make the guns. So, that even when you buy one, when you buy You see how you interrupted constantly?
>> Right, right. They make guns from Africa. Now, shouldn't I be offended?
No, go ahead.
So, what I'm trying to say is what we're We're not talking about being Europeans.
We're talking about being in power. And it was a point when the African was in power.
That's what we're trying to return to.
Now Now, power doesn't mean that we're going to subjugate or dominate.
But power means that those things that as at least the things that are on the continent where we come from, we should be in control of.
And in actuality, we are not in control of those things.
So, we're When we talk about And we did not give it up. It was taken. Now listen, can we take it back? Yes. Can we take it back by understanding who we are? Yes. But I'm a challenge him again.
In order for us to understand who we are, we have to study what happened. You can't just simply assume that something happened.
And when you say things that say that now after Africans are out of power by by at the actual fact of our race, now you want to erase race. Guess what?
That leaves the people who stole stuff based on race in power.
You have to undo the system.
Please understand that there's a also a difference just as I said there's a difference between blame and responsibility. There's also a difference between forgiveness and justice.
So you can forgive people but still seek justice.
And justice is balance.
We have to put things back into balance.
They have control of those things that they took from us including our people.
All of the resources. Who controls the minimal wealth of Africa? Not Africans.
It's not because we just we are spiritually let them take it.
Do you really think that's what Africans are doing? The reason why they're in control is because of the gun.
Really? Yeah.
Yeah.
>> on this planet than Africans? It's not a The gun is a equalizer.
>> [laughter] >> There's There's many fewer of them than there are us, but they have the army.
Ask your question.
>> And so you want to I just answered your question. Is there more Europeans on this >> No, I said the gun is the equalizer.
There are many more of us than them. You didn't listen, I just answered your question. So we lack The Europeans make up about 10% of the planet. A very small percentage, but they're in control of it. We lack unity. And the reason why they're in control of it is because they own the mechanisms of power.
Because they actually have put puppets in place.
And if you disagree loud enough, they will send in army or a missile to destroy you. Who created And the other thing that that want him to understand is because he said he was free in the jungle, I think that there is a there is a certain freedom of being in nature, and I and I recognize that that must have been painful for him not to be there.
And I apologize that that happened to you, cuz that was wrong. You should be able That's a cop, brother. You should be able to go where you want and and create communities you want instead of having them be undone. Right. You should be able to do that. I may not agree with >> people, right?
>> Yeah, by your own people. I'm not disagreeing with that. But I'm saying the only reason why his own people were able to undo it is because there was a power that could say, "Yes, we'll agree with you." The people that said something aren't the power. The power is the group that comes and takes you because they made the law and they own the land. Just because you're in the jungle doesn't mean it's not owned.
You have to understand that's how it works.
Just because you don't see the boundaries, the borders, doesn't mean they're not there.
Because people own those spaces.
And so we have to get back to the point where we are powerful, where we can dictate what should happen in the lives of Africans. I'm not saying I want to dictate what happens to Europeans or to the Chinese or to the Indian, but I want to be able to dictate as a community.
When I say I I don't mean Jabari Osaze.
I, the African, should want to dictate the affairs of Africans. And what has happened is the people that live on the piece of the planet that is land poor, it's a very small place. Very small.
Resource poor, there's almost nothing there that you want. Climate poor, have you been to London? London, the climate is is horrible most of it. It's all rain. It's like They are actually in the place that is resource poor, climate poor, people poor, the the smallest part of the planet, all of it, BUT THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING.
We have to now be in control. In the '60s, they used to say black power for black people, white power for white people, yellow power for yellow people, brown power for brown people. What they were trying to say is, let me be in in control of my own affairs. I don't want to be in control of other people's affairs.
That is spiritual.
And we must understand that spirituality does not take you out of the control of your environment. Have you read the 42?
Have you read the Maxims of Ptahhotep?
One of the Maxims is, do not move the boundaries of the widow after the flood.
She owns that land, but because she's less powerful, she's the widow, her husband is dead.
That's what they're saying. Don't move the boundaries and say this is mine because you know she can't fight you.
That's in a spiritual text. We've been reading them wrong, all of us.
I'm not That's not an accusation against you. All of us. We need to be able to understand that the dynamics of power are not un- unethical and un- spiritual.
This is what I'm going to say, we're in control.
Don't Don't listen to nothing else.
We're in control. We have the control.
We have the power as people, as humanity. It's not about black, it's not about white, it's about good people.
Don't get caught up in the And don't clip this out.
Don't clip this out cuz you Cuz I'm because I'm going to come right behind you and say, "Stop fooling yourself. We are not in control." [laughter] Okay. We do not have the power. Don't do that.
It's not going TO GO WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL AND WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER. WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GET THE POWER, BUT WE ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF A DAMN THING, NOT EVEN OURSELVES. BUT, GO AHEAD. OKAY. That's true. And here's the thing, you are in control.
>> going to lie to the people. You are always in control. Don't ever give anybody the notion in your mind to think that somebody else is in control of you.
You are in control of yourself. Once you gain control of yourself, we can all come together and control whatever we want. And we are in control right now.
We just need knowledge of self.
We just need to understand that. At this point, there's no saving the world.
We're not about that. What we're about is to get to those that can hear what we're saying. What the 5% is called the 5% is the rest of the world is 85% that are just sleep and the 10% that just are going along with what is what's going what's going what's what's lead the the 85%. So, we the 5% is who I'm talking to. I'm not talking to everybody. And I'm not a 5% in the sense that they are. You understand? But I know that there's only select chosen people out there that's going to hear me. That's why I'm sending out this message. You can hear Those that listen to sign that is you listen to sign that I came here to bring a specific message. Specific message to a certain people that's watching. Maybe a 2,000 people might see this. Maybe 20,000. Maybe I'm talking to 10 people.
You are in control. It don't take many of us. A very few people rule so many people on this planet. It doesn't take many of us. We don't have to all unite.
We just need the elite to come together and do what we need to do. And the And the truth about it is we're at the end of age right now where literally he's going to talk to you about the coronavirus right now.
Uh nature coming.
Nature about to wipe all this out and restart it all and only the only the meek shall inherit the earth. Those that are in tune with nature, in tune with righteousness, that's not about only just black power but about human power will will will survive and be in safe places and to repopulate the earth. It's not about that. If we're spiritual people and we're spiritual spirit uh spiritual gurus, spiritual teachers, we have to teach beyond color.
Beyond color is our It is your moral responsibility to teach beyond color. My eye doesn't say anything about black. My eye doesn't say anything about black power. That is an oppression. That is an extreme. Stop talking about black so much and really talk about good people and versus bad people. What's what's what's evil and what's right and stop being limited. We will never take control with that mindset. We will never get any control with that mindset. And that's just for the elite. With that being stated, I just want to tell you about our social media. It's Carbon Nation TV.
And we if you put immortal in IG, you're going to see a list of us come up. I'm immortal.chief_1_ on IG. And I just want to thank Sanata for having us on the TV channel. And I know we might have dis- agree to disagree, you feel me? But I just want to thank you for having me, too, Jabari.
And um shout out Yeah, I do agree with you, Afro Nations record. Um >> [clears throat] >> Afro Nations I guarantee you he agree with me now that we don't have no god damn power.
Because if you had power, you'll be able to walk up out of that prison cell right now.
If you had power, you wouldn't be sitting where you at right now. Your power would get you out of there.
See what I'm saying?
So, that's not a shot to bang on you or nothing like that. It's just to show you that, you know, we we speak a lot of just stuff to sound good and to sound cute. But we got to start teaching our people the truth. And the truth is that we have the potential TO BE POWERFUL.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT we are powerless right now.
And just because Michael Jordan and Oprah Winfrey and LeBron James have money and they're billionaires, so what? THAT'S THEY'RE STILL NOT POWERFUL.
Understand that. THEY'RE STILL WHERE DID MICHAEL JACKSON HAVE TO come when they started banging on him and getting at him, he came to the National Action Network.
He came back home to his people for the people to fight for.
See? PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK HOME TO YOUR people and the people GOING TO FIGHT FOR YOU LIKE A DAMN FOOL.
BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FIGHT FOR THEM WHEN YOU was up there and you know, doing what you do. You wasn't You wasn't fighting for them.
YOU'RE SCARED TO COME OUT IN THE RALLIES.
WHEN YOUR GRANDMA DIE OR WHEN SOMEBODY else get murdered, you don't come out.
You stay away.
But when that white man come and put his foot down on your neck, where did you come? You come running right back to the black community, to the grassroots community so that they could fight for you. And because you are a celebrity, you you um, you know, you just put your neck out there.
Like the Nation of Islam.
You see Y'all seen it. How many celebrities the Nation go through? They treat them like like they God.
It's crazy, man.
But I know now you understand that black people are not powerful, brother. You're not powerful. out to everybody and >> Before you leave, what are the seven principles of Ma'at?
Brother, come on. Truth, justice, righteousness, reciprocity, balance, harmony, and order. Mhm. Balance.
[clears throat] Mhm. Black power, brother. If there's white power, why there's no black power?
If there's Chinese power, why there why they can't We have to We have to I'm saying that because you said >> Justice. I'm saying that. Right. I'm saying that because you said Ma'at don't teach about black power. So, I'm telling you what's the SEVEN PRINCIPLES OF MA'AT. YOU GOT TO KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU SAY THAT.
>> THIS IN nowhere does it say black power.
>> It ain't going to just SAY IT. IT'S TELLING YOU TRUTH IT'S IS YOU THE OH, HERE'S THE TRUTH. HERE'S HOLD ON. HOLD ON, BROTHER. IS GIVING YOU THE PRINCIPLE. OKAY, here's the truth.
>> IF IT'S TELLING YOU TRUTH, JUSTICE, RIGHTEOUSNESS, RECIPROCITY, CHASTITY, AND ORDER, THEN YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH THAT. WHAT IS BALANCE? BALANCE IS the fact that YOU JUST >> YOU GOT A WHITE MAN STANDING NEXT TO JABARI. WHAT IS BALANCE? DOES THE WHITE MAN HAVE POWER AND YOU [clears throat] DON'T HAVE POWER?
>> NO, I'M NOT I'M not talking about that.
>> WHAT IS ORDER? What I'm saying that power comes from each and every person.
You have your own power.
Listen. Listen. All I'm saying to you is that And and and and and here's what I'm going to say this.
When it comes to balance and power, that comes from us.
We have the ability to not do nothing.
We could just say nothing and only because we scared of death, we fear death, we do what they tell us we should do.
If we would rather die than be dishonorable, then African people have the power right now. If we did if we refuse all together right now and willing to die on that, then we win.
But we're That gives us the power right now. We don't need a weapon. There'd just be a lot of dead bodies.
>> We Okay. No. No, but guess what?
DEATH WOULD BE BETTER THAN BEING A SLAVE. And what I'm saying to you is, if that's the case and we're not in control, THEN WHY BE HERE?
WHY NOT PUT OUR LIFE ON THE LINE for And and I'm going to leave it at that. I'm going to leave I'm going to leave it at that. I'm going to leave it at that. But this is I'm going to finish saying this.
When we say fairness, when we say justice, to judge a person by their skin is not fair. That's not justice. To judge a man by his spirit and what he does is justice. That's fair. That's fair. For you to judge a man just because he's black and be like, "Oh, that's my brother, so I'm going to help him out." And I understand what you're saying even with white people. It goes for them, too. For them to do that to us is wrong, but for us to do that to them IS WRONG. SO, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT those those standards and principles that we hold that we saying that they're not doing, when we get when we get the power, we must judge people and be fair and just and judge a man by who he is and not his skin color.
Um I just think that we need to make sure that we are dealing with justice because for [clears throat] 500 years Africans have been judged. And so in order for us to put things back into balance, in order for us to put thing to set things right, now it is time for the African to be in control of his affairs.
I'm not saying that I want to be in control of Europe.
>> Good people That would be wrong. Good people need to be in control But hear what I'm saying. That would Good people.
Go ahead. I'm I'm That would be wrong.
It would be wrong to for Africans to go to be in control of the affairs of the European. It would be wrong for Africans to go to be in control of the affairs of the Asian.
I'm not talking about trade and commerce. That's different. I'm talking about being control.
And that is what has happened now.
Europeans are in control of the continent of Africa.
Uh >> [snorts] >> A- Asians that the Chinese are actually creating a a um are actually creating a system by which they are not in control using the military, but they're still creating a relationship where they are in control based on on financial and resource imbalances. You have to read um Howard W. French's book um uh uh China's Second Continent. Powerful about what China is doing in Africa.
So I I really do believe that um there's a lot for us to learn.
Um spiritually we have to not look at at the the time who the European and say that they are um inferior.
Um I think that some of that has become because the African has been deemed inferior for so long. It was a response to that. I don't believe that we actually believe that Europeans are inferior. I don't believe that.
But I do believe that it is time for the African to wake up and be at the forefront of human civilization. Why would we the forefront? Because the land mass that is our birthright is the wealthiest land mass.
That's the reason why the Europeans are there.
They control the continent of Africa.
It is a fact. Let me give you a few facts because I think that what he said sounds good, but you have to look at some facts. I want him to dispute Ken Saro-Wiwa.
Look at Nigeria and its oil and how Dutch Shell destroyed a movement and killed people in order to be in control.
Look at Ken Saro-Wiwa.
I want you to also look at what the what Belgium did to the Congo.
And then I want you to research who's still in control of the Congo.
So, let's be very clear that the European is in control of the affairs of people across the planet. For us to now say that race doesn't matter, they would actually appreciate that because all the people who are in control are European.
So, now for us to say they're the same as us, when we are the one the average African-American has 13 times less wealth than the average white family.
13 times wealth. We have less wealth now than we did 10 years ago, 15 years ago because the the housing crisis wiped out so much black wealth.
And we know that in the United States, how controlling housing is at least building wealth.
But there were laws that were created to prevent Africans from owning housing.
So, I want you to understand that if we were in control, we would be able to violate those laws. We are not in control.
That if you believe that we are in control, we are in control of ourselves spiritually, etherically.
But that control must be built and maintained in order for us to go to where we need to go. Now, >> a good building. Peace, family. Good bill. Good bill. [clears throat] Good bill. And >> [music]
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