This debate explores the definition of Sanatana Dharma, with one panelist arguing it represents the Sanskrit-speaking, caste hierarchical, and Brahminical aspects of Hinduism, while the other contends that Sanatana Dharma is equivalent to Hinduism as a whole. The discussion highlights historical cultural persecution in Tamil Nadu over 60 years, including attacks on Hindu symbols and literature, and examines how political movements have shaped religious identity and social justice in the region.
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'Sanatana Dharma Is Hinduism': Dushyant Sridhar Clashes With Hareesh Mohamed IbrahimAdded:
Namaskaram, Padmaja. Namaskaram to my fellow panelists. I heard you. I heard the other panelists very patiently, very few points, very quick points. See, for the last 60 years, Tamil Nadu and the Hindus of Tamil Nadu have been bearing the brunt. In the last 10 to 15 years, you might have seen the national media, various news channels highlighting various issues. But, in the last 60 years, Ganesha idols were broken. There was chappal mala put to Ram. And you know, Padmaja, the person who transcreated the Ramayana in Tamil called Kamban, Kavi Chakravarthy, Kavi Sarvabhouman, Kamban, 10,348 verses, he was called the he was called Tamil drohi, the one who has done a huge fraud on Tamil. Thirukkural was called malam.
And all these aspects have happened in the last 60 years. Now, coming to the point of Sanatana Dharma, his definition, Shri Udhayanidhi Stalin's definition of Sanatana Dharma is it is Sanskrit speaking, caste hierarchical, and Brahminical aspect of Hinduism. His very revered mother, she herself says, "I go to various yagnas where Brahmins conduct." She goes temple after temple.
So, does does he say that he disagrees with his mother? POINT NUMBER ONE. POINT number two, if they believe that Sanatana Dharma is different, Padmaja, I would just like to remind you and your audience, 3 years back in a sitting conference in Chennai when he was a minister, right when he said that Sanatana Dharma was cholera, AIDS, just after him, the ideologue of the Dravidian ideology called as Veeramani said, "Do not confuse, dear audience, Sanatana Dharma is equal to Hinduism."
This is a statement your your channels can pull up that clip and show. So, for them, Hinduism is equal to Sanatana Dharma. You know, Padmaja, for the last 60 years, when Shri Karunanidhi and later his son, Mr. Stalin, have been at the helm of power, they will wish for Bakri, they will wish for Christmas, they will not make a single wish for Diwali, they will not make a single wish for Rama Navami, they will not make a single wish for Krishna Janmashtami.
Now, if you ask them, they will say Rama and Krishna are panipuri walas who have come from Uttar Pradesh. But, to the irony, the person who sits on the debate should know that in Purananuru 348 verse of the Sangam literature, there is a mention of Rama. But, irony is, Padmaja, if this debate were to be conducted in Tamil, a person who's participating in this debate will not be able to quote 10 pasurams in Tamil of the Alvars. 10 Thirukkurals together will not be able to tell what Parimelalagar says. And the last point, Padmaja, Harish Mohammed, when he represents a certain ideology, he comes and gives all statements about Sanatana Dharma, this is right, this is wrong. Just turn the tables. If it were about Islam and a Hindu participates, the next day the person will be cut. He is very fortunate to have a Hindu issue, and he can make all these random obnoxious comments without even having Now, he asked, right, where are the comments? I will tell I give the answer to that, Padmaja. Yea [clears throat] cha Veda vido vipraha yea cha adhyatma chetasaaha te vadanti Mahatmaanam Krishnam Dharmam Sanatanam. This is from the Mahabharata. Satyam bruyat priyam bruyat na bruyat satyam apriyam priyam cha na anrutam bruyat yesha Dharmaha Sanatanaha. This says that truth is the only thing that needs to be spoken, and that is Sanatana Dharma. They don't like to speak the truth, so they don't like Sanatana Dharma. And last of all, I would like to quote the Tamil Irukural says Nammalvar. And Yajur Veda Saram is there in Thiruvasiriyam. And then, when you speak of Thiruvaimozhi in Tamil, it is an essence of Sama Veda. All these statements are beyond his scope of Tamil speaking and understanding. He can just keep rambling and ask you for references. I have helped him. You don't need a Google when I am there on the panel. I've given you the references.
Thank you.
>> Harish Mohammed Ibrahim, there you have the sources.
>> Padmaja, Now, count your >> okay, okay. Quote your counter source.
Yes. Now, can I can I say that how the Brahminical patriarchy works? You have allowed your one who want to defend the Sanatana without even interruption for 2 minutes without even a point blank of rebuttal. But even when I started during the first speech, first sentence you have started rebutting. This is how the Brahminical patriarchy works. Simple fairness.
You are a victim of Dushyanth Sridhar's Brahminical patriarchy. It is It is your Brahminical patriarchy ideology.
>> OH, I AM A PATRIARCH NOW. I I Yes, of course. I I challenge you on this debate. Oh dear god, in addition to Sanatan, now the dictionary of Harish Mohammed Ibrahim has given a new meaning to patriarchy itself. This is how it works. You don't want to hear the opponent who want to say what kind of classification we are speaking about, what kind of movement it does got into in Tamil Nadu without giving a point blank. Each and every word you have rebutted me without even making me to come back. Because Harish Mohammed Ibrahim, you literally have no substance to your argument. If you quote me a source, I promise you I will not interrupt you for the next 5 minutes. Please go on. Quote me even a single text. Quote me a scholar. Don't even quote a text. Dushyanth Sridhar has quoted from the Mahabharat.
You quote me one text, one scholar, one sage. If you want that, you would have I invited the scholar not in a political analyst to speak on a political subject.
You should your guest team should have called a political analyst.
>> What kind of logic is this? If you're forwarding an argument, at least have some basis to your argument. Come on, Padmaja. If you want me to hear the how the way you wanted to speak, I can't speak how the way you want to speak. I can speak only where the I I have an ideology. I have a movement. I can prescribe to that. Even we as a fourth generation, we have moved from one particular religion because of the suppression, because of the operation due to the one natural mom and that one natural mom is being classified here in Tamil Nadu as a class division, as a class division for which the social justice movement have been started from 1910 till now it has been transferred to the Dravidian ideology or the DMK as a party. Okay, if you have said it, I guess I have no right whatsoever to contradict it.
Since you have said it, it is gospel. It is written in stone. If people who actually practice it are saying it is not true, who are they TO WHO ARE THEY to make that claim? Okay, can I ask you one query? I am I my fourth generation was from a Sutra community and they were the lower caste people as per then that generation and because of the operation they have transferred to one another religion which came from a far away land. Okay, fine enough. I'm here as an atheist. I want to state categorically on a national media. I'm ready to come to the mother what is that mother religion. As a Hindu I can come in.
Whether you can make me as a Brahmin.
Immediately you tell me today itself I'll come to Delhi wherever you want.
I'll say whatever the slogan and bring me as a Brahmin.
Come on. Say that. Can you challenge I will I will let Dushyant Sridhar answer that.
I will let Dushyant Sridhar answer that.
I really wanted to get into the politics of it, but sure.
Again, let's make the distinction. You want to talk about caste practices. I can sit here and I'm sure any right-minded person will sit here and say caste discrimination is a curse on our society. It should be done away with. There is absolutely no one who can or should condone it. But to try and conflate that with a religion as a whole is not just disingenuous. It is deliberate and frankly it is criminal.
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