An Older Gentleman's Counseling Session

Added: 2026-05-15

[00:00:01]Hello. You've reached the counseling line. We will be with you momentarily.

[00:00:06]>> UC Davis Counseling and Psychological Services. My name is Mon'nique and I'm a counselor. How can I help you?

[00:00:12]>> Hi, this is Fred.

[00:00:15]>> Hi Fred. How are you today?

[00:00:17]>> Uh I'm really having a hard time.

[00:00:22]>> You're talking to an older sexual gentleman here.

[00:00:27][clears throat] >> All right.

[00:00:30]Well, thank you so much for your call.

[00:00:32]Um, before we get started, allow me to set the expectations for our call today.

[00:00:36]Um, I'm just going to start by gathering some basic demographic information.

[00:00:40]>> Okay.

[00:00:41]>> And then and then we'll see more about how I can assist you. Okay.

[00:00:46]>> Okay.

[00:00:47]>> Could we start with um your first and last name?

[00:00:51]>> This is Fred.

[00:00:53]>> Okay. All righty.

[00:00:56]And are what's a good call back number for you?

[00:01:02]>> Um the number is 909523783.

[00:01:10][clears throat] >> All right. And is this a mobile number?

[00:01:14]>> Yes.

[00:01:16]>> Okay. Is it okay for us to leave messages if we need to?

[00:01:21]>> Yes. Go ahead.

[00:01:23]>> Okay.

[00:01:24]All right. Thank you so much for that information. [clears throat] Just bear with me one moment as my system comes all the way up. Thank you for your patience. Are you calling in for yourself today, Mr. Fred?

[00:01:38]>> Yes, that's me.

[00:01:40]>> Okay.

[00:01:41]Hi, Jim. Okay. Tell me a bit about what's going on.

[00:01:46]Um um I got a screwy little uh up my ass right now. I don't know what this big thrill is and I don't want my son to find out any of this.

[00:02:03][clears throat] Can I get some help, please?

[00:02:07]>> Okay, I do have a few more demographic information. Can you tell me how you're associated with the school? Who are you?

[00:02:13]Student, faculty, parent or other?

[00:02:15]>> Okay.

[00:02:17]Uh my son.

[00:02:21]>> Your son is a student?

[00:02:23]>> Yeah.

[00:02:24]>> Okay.

[00:02:27][clears throat] >> And um could you provide for me your gender and date of birth?

[00:02:33]>> Uh I was sexually frustrated with them. I can't give you an answer on that. I I apologize.

[00:02:46]>> No, that's perfectly okay. You [clears throat] are allowed to refuse.

[00:02:49]Um, what about an address? Would you feel comfortable providing for me an address?

[00:02:54]>> Excuse me.

[00:02:56]>> An address. You're where where do you say >> 435 West Mission Boulevard?

[00:03:08]>> That's what it is. that number [snorts] >> sweet 105 and that zip code >> uh 91766 is that right >> is Pomona California or Phillips Ranch >> uh in Pomona >> and you wouldn't happen to have your son's student ID D would you >> um um I don't know what this is.

[00:03:48]>> Okay. Is your family enrolled at the University of California?

[00:03:53]>> Yes.

[00:03:55]>> Okay.

[00:03:57]>> And I have to ask because you did call the counseling line. Have you taken any action to harm yourself today?

[00:04:03]>> Uh yes.

[00:04:07]>> Okay. It's always that way.

[00:04:10]>> Okay. Have you had any thoughts of suicide today or recently?

[00:04:14]>> Uhhuh.

[00:04:16]>> Okay. Can you tell me a bit more about those thoughts?

[00:04:20]>> Uh, >> what are those?

[00:04:25]>> Doesn't make sense to me.

[00:04:27]>> I can't figure it out.

[00:04:29]>> I'm really having a hard time.

[00:04:32]>> Okay. What's going on?

[00:04:35]Methamphetamine ruining my life.

[00:04:38]>> I gotcha. Have you used um meth today?

[00:04:43]>> Yes.

[00:04:44]>> Okay. And how much did you use?

[00:04:49]>> Uh it's 20 bucks.

[00:04:53]I don't know. I >> Yes.

[00:04:59]>> Okay. And how how often do you use it?

[00:05:04]>> Every day. Every day.

[00:05:08][clears throat] >> Okay. And how long have you been using it?

[00:05:12]>> Um, two years.

[00:05:16]>> Okay. Are you experiencing any withdrawal symptoms for it from it right now?

[00:05:21]>> Uhhuh.

[00:05:23]>> Okay. What type of withdrawal symptoms are you experiencing?

[00:05:28]Um, I've got the sheds.

[00:05:35]>> Okay.

[00:05:37]>> Okay.

[00:05:40]>> All right. And and >> you're saying to me, >> I got you. And with everything that's going on, um, you believe that methods, um, causing the thoughts of suicide?

[00:05:51]What type of thoughts are you having?

[00:05:53]>> Yes.

[00:05:54]>> Okay. Could you describe the thoughts for me?

[00:05:58]>> Um, doesn't make sense to me.

[00:06:03]>> What are those thoughts like?

[00:06:05]>> I'm thinking about taking my life.

[00:06:10]>> Okay. Have you come up with a way that you would do it?

[00:06:17]Um, >> let me just add my little bit of information here.

[00:06:28]>> I'm sorry, Fred. With everything that's going on, have you thought about a way in which you would take your life?

[00:06:33]>> I've got a firearm. That's what it is.

[00:06:38][clears throat] >> Where is your firearm currently?

[00:06:42]Um, I can't give you an answer on that.

[00:06:51]>> Okay. Where are you currently?

[00:06:53]>> At a 71 sitting or lying in the public ways?

[00:07:01]Yes.

[00:07:03]>> Okay.

[00:07:05]Are you currently in a vehicle?

[00:07:08]>> Yes.

[00:07:09]What type of vehicle are you in?

[00:07:12]>> Uh I I apologize.

[00:07:18]>> You're okay.

[00:07:20]>> There's a lot of things in life that don't make sense.

[00:07:24]>> I can hear that you have a lot um going on. I'm curious to know that with everything that you have going on, have you come up with a timeline of when you would want to take your life?

[00:07:36]uh this morning.

[00:07:40]>> Right now, >> okay.

[00:07:45]>> Constantly.

[00:07:52]>> Okay. Well, I am here on the line with you, Fred, and I thank you so much for calling. I I hear that it sounds like part of you is struggling um with with just going back and forth in your thought process, but there's another half of you that does want to be here, and that's that half that I'm speaking with right now that chose to reach out [clears throat] >> and get some help.

[00:08:15]>> Yes.

[00:08:17]>> Okay, >> that's what it is. Um, and so I'm I'm really proud of you for being here with me and being able to express yourself and your thought processes about it.

[00:08:28]>> Thank you very much.

[00:08:29]>> Thank you for allowing yourself >> for allowing yourself that space to just be vulnerable and be open with about how you're feeling.

[00:08:36]>> Thank you.

[00:08:38][clears throat] >> Okay. And I know um that you mentioned um that you know there's been some substance use and I just kind of want to um just advise that when it comes to substance use and access to lethal means it can increase our our impulsivity meaning that it it can heighten us in in the way that we're anxious and the way that we're agitated.

[00:09:00]>> Wow. So, I know um you said that the firearm needed, >> but I'm curious, is the firearm with you right now where you are?

[00:09:09]>> Uh, yes.

[00:09:12]>> Okay.

[00:09:14]All right. And I'm concerned about your safety. I'm wondering if you'd be willing to maybe remove yourself from where the firearm is, like step away from the car or step out of the car to speak with.

[00:09:28]>> Okay.

[00:09:29]Okay. Just let me know whenever you've done that. Just so that way I I know that you're safe as we speak cuz I'm really concerned and I want you to be safe.

[00:09:41]>> Okay.

[00:09:42]>> Okay. I'm going I'm going to it right now.

[00:09:47]>> Are you going to step away from it?

[00:09:49]>> Yes.

[00:09:51]>> Okay. Let me know when you've done that.

[00:10:03]Okay. I'm right across the street.

[00:10:07]>> Okay. Well, thank you so much for that.

[00:10:10]>> Yes.

[00:10:10]>> I'm curious. I'm curious, Mr. Fred. Have you taken any actions already >> to acting on your thoughts today?

[00:10:21]Are you getting ready to plan?

[00:10:25]>> I don't know.

[00:10:27]Um, no.

[00:10:31]>> Okay.

[00:10:33]All right. And And is this something that you're you're ready to act on or do you feel like you're kind of going back and forth? You're you're not entirely sure, but >> constantly.

[00:10:44]>> Okay.

[00:10:48]And have you had a history of attempting to take your life in the past?

[00:10:52]>> Yes.

[00:10:54]>> Okay. Can you describe some of those instances for me? Um, >> are you there?

[00:11:16]>> Yes.

[00:11:18]I I apologize.

[00:11:21]>> It's beyond my comprehension.

[00:11:24]I've got drug. You know, there's a whole long list of them.

[00:11:29]>> Okay.

[00:11:31]There's a list of attempts. When was the last time that you attempted?

[00:11:36]>> Uh January 23rd.

[00:11:42]That's what it is.

[00:11:43]>> And how And how did you attempt January 23rd?

[00:11:48]>> Uh I'm not taking drugs or drinking. Mhm.

[00:11:54]>> I can't give you an answer.

[00:11:57]>> Okay.

[00:12:01]>> Well, I appreciate you for just being >> just ruining my life.

[00:12:08]>> Okay. Let's let's talk a bit more about that. What do you mean when you say um it's ruining your life? What's going on in your life that you feel like it's be it's being ruined?

[00:12:17]>> Marijuana is ruining my life.

[00:12:20]and a white powdery substance, >> cocaine, methamphetamine.

[00:12:31]>> I went to an AA meeting just yesterday.

[00:12:35]>> How was that?

[00:12:37]>> It's not so good.

[00:12:39]>> It went really good.

[00:12:41]>> No, it's not so good.

[00:12:44]>> Oh, it didn't go well. What would happen that?

[00:12:48]>> Um, well, what I'm saying is, see, most of these people, they use uh marijuana.

[00:12:59]>> Uhhuh.

[00:13:03]>> Um, I I apologize.

[00:13:13]You're fine. No need to apologize.

[00:13:16]>> Take your time for it.

[00:13:18]>> In fact, I don't know whether I'm really talking to you or >> my plant.

[00:13:23][clears throat] >> Okay.

[00:13:26]>> And they're telling me I'm crazy.

[00:13:31][clears throat] >> Okay. You say your plants are telling you you're crazy.

[00:13:35]>> My son, my girlfriend, and my plant, they're telling me I'm crazy.

[00:13:43]That's what it is.

[00:13:50]>> My plan is talking to me 50 times >> every day.

[00:13:56]>> Okay. And what are some of the things you >> Excuse me.

[00:14:03]>> What are some of the things that um the plants tell you or talk to you about?

[00:14:09]>> Um >> Hello, Fred. Are you there?

[00:14:13]>> Uh, I'm going to ring your [ __ ] neck.

[00:14:18]>> That's what it is.

[00:14:22]And you are going to pay.

[00:14:26]And I know you're a [ __ ] [ __ ] and well, it would cost you your [ __ ] life and go sit under a tree.

[00:14:43]and I'm going to put it into you.

[00:14:50]I apologize. I'm sorry it happened. How could they possibly do this?

[00:14:59]>> Okay, Mr. Fred. Um, I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm interrupting you because I do kind of want to just ensure your safety. I'm curious to know, do you have anyone that would be willing to come to support you right now where you are?

[00:15:15]>> Yes.

[00:15:16]>> And who would that be?

[00:15:18]>> My This is your cousin.

[00:15:21]>> Your cousin?

[00:15:22]>> I'm sorry. Yes.

[00:15:24]>> Okay. Are you able to um text your cousin while we're on the line to see if they would come and be with you right now?

[00:15:33]>> Uh yeah.

[00:15:35]>> Okay. Go ahead and do that while we're on the line and let me know what your what what your cousin is. Okay.

[00:15:41]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:15:43]>> What's your cousin's name?

[00:15:45]>> Um Gary.

[00:15:54]>> Okay. Well, can you text Gary and let me know when Gary >> Yes. Is that what he says?

[00:16:02]>> I'm sitting Okay.

[00:16:06]Okay, I'm head.

[00:16:08]>> All right.

[00:16:09]>> And while you do that, go ahead. I'm sorry.

[00:16:12]>> To it right now.

[00:16:14]>> I'm looking at it right here.

[00:16:17]>> Okay.

[00:16:20]>> And while you look for that, Brad, I'm curious to know um do you take any u medication for your mental health? Um, this [clears throat] >> Fred, would you mind if I call your cousin Gary for you? Would you give me the number so that I can conference the call and we can speak together?

[00:16:43]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:16:45]>> Okay. What's Gary's What's Gary's number?

[00:16:48]>> The number is 9095952264.

[00:16:56]Okay, >> that's what it is.

[00:16:59]>> Thank you.

[00:17:03]>> All right. [clears throat] And I'll one second to get Gary on the line. Okay.

[00:17:08]>> Okay. Thank you very much.

[00:17:11]>> Thank you. M [clears throat] [clears throat] >> okay. I'm going to get Gary on the line.

[00:17:22]But before I do so, um just to confirm, you did say that you're at the 7-Eleven and you walked across the street. So, will he know which 7-Eleven to come to?

[00:17:32]>> Yes.

[00:17:34]>> Okay. All right. Let's get Gary on the line. Give me one moment.

[00:17:38]>> Okay.

[00:17:40][clears throat] >> [music] >> Go.

[00:17:53][music] [music] >> Hello, Fred. Are you on the line?

[00:18:03]>> Hi.

[00:18:04]>> Hey. So, I just gave the number a call that you gave me and um they said that that was the sheriff's office.

[00:18:11]>> Excuse me.

[00:18:13]>> Yes, it was the sheriff's office number 9095952264.

[00:18:19]>> What?

[00:18:20]>> I was calling to see uh I'm sorry. I called them and they said that it was the sheriff's office. Um did you have Gary's number anyone that at second right now?

[00:18:31]>> No, that wasn't correct. We were supposed to be speak. We were supposed to be calling Gary, remember your cousin?

[00:18:37]>> Yes, I know. That's How could they possibly do this?

[00:18:44]>> Okay.

[00:18:45]>> It's been a mystery to me. I I apologize.

[00:18:50]>> No, you're okay. Um, going back to some of the questions I was asking, um, have you taken any action to harm yourself today?

[00:18:58]>> Um, no.

[00:19:02]>> [clears throat] >> Okay. And are you feeling any threat to your safety or do you feel >> um No.

[00:19:13]>> Okay.

[00:19:14]>> Just fine.

[00:19:15]>> All right. And what about do you have any thoughts to hurt others at all?

[00:19:20]>> Um no.

[00:19:25]>> Not me. And >> do you take do you take any medicines for your mental health? No.

[00:19:33]>> Okay. All right. Okay. And you mentioned to me that your plants are telling that your plants sometimes tell you that you're crazy. I'm curious to know when did this start? When did you start? Um >> um >> when was that?

[00:19:51]>> 2014.

[00:19:54]>> 2014.

[00:20:00]Okay. 2014.

[00:20:02]>> You know what? Hey, you know what?

[00:20:06]I'm hanging up. Okay.

[00:20:10]>> I would like for you to stay on the line with me if you don't mind, Fred.

[00:20:14]>> I'm sorry.

[00:20:14]>> Can you tell me why?

[00:20:16]>> I apologize.

[00:20:18]>> I just wanted to speak with you a bit more if you don't mind.

[00:20:22]Again, I'm I'm kind of concerned for you and your safety and I'm sorry.

[00:20:27]Yeah, you're okay. There's no need to apologize. Can you tell me some more about what's been going on in life that has you feeling kind of down?

[00:20:36]>> I'm afraid this is a prank call I'm making. Um, >> I I apologize.

[00:20:44]I'm sorry.

[00:20:47]I'm sorry it happened.

[00:20:48]>> No, there's no need to apologize. Um, but are you advising that it's a prank call? I'm mentally ill.

[00:20:57]>> Yes, >> I am a prankster and I pranked you.

[00:21:04]>> Oh, >> I apologize.

[00:21:08]>> I'm getting I've gotten prank calls from >> That's a recording. That's not me.

[00:21:14]That's a recording that's going on.

[00:21:17]>> This is a That's somebody pranking me.

[00:21:21]>> Prank callers and things like that.

[00:21:24]>> Okay. I'm making them.

[00:21:27]>> Okay. Okay. All right. Well, um >> I'm on YouTube and they prank call me all the time.

[00:21:35]>> Brad Herbert >> Belvanch, >> I'm sorry.

[00:21:42]>> You're okay. Um I just I was concerned for you. So that's all. We have to make sure that um you're okay.

[00:21:49]>> Um >> thank you very much.

[00:21:54]I apologize.

[00:21:56]>> No, you're okay. Um, is there anything that you you needed tonight?

[00:22:02]>> There's some sick person out there that's doing this.

[00:22:05]>> That's me.

[00:22:07]>> Okay.

[00:22:08]>> You know, I have uh since 2009, I've had people pranking me uh online. There's a prankster.com.

[00:22:20]All kinds of stuff going on. I'm on YouTube.

[00:22:26]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:22:28]>> That's what it is.

[00:22:30]>> I got you.

[00:22:31]>> There's a lot of this going on.

[00:22:34]>> I see.

[00:22:37]>> Boy, sick.

[00:22:39]>> I'm sorry.

[00:22:40]>> No, there's no need to um apologize. Um, but thank you for um telling me the truth about um what's going on because [clears throat] again I was concerned and I am concerned for your safety.

[00:22:53]>> Yes.

[00:22:54]>> Um >> thank you very much.

[00:22:58]>> One second.

[00:22:59]>> All right, homie. All righty.

[00:23:02]>> Give me a call back when you know more know where your brother is. I'm hanging up. Okay.

[00:23:09]>> Goodbye. Um >> goodbye.

[00:23:12]Goodbye.

[00:23:14]Goodbye.

[00:23:16]>> Bye. Go to sleep. Good night.

[00:23:20]>> Well, good night.

[00:23:22]>> All right.

[00:23:24]>> I am I'm hanging up.

[00:23:26]>> Fred, I am still on the line with you.

[00:23:28]Um, please.

[00:23:29]>> Okay, Gregory Stevens. Bye.

[00:23:32]>> All right, homie. I'm hanging up. Bye.

[00:23:36]Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

[00:23:44]All right, homie.

[00:23:45]>> Well, good night.

[00:23:47]>> You go to sleep.

[00:23:50]>> Bye.

[00:23:53]>> I'm hanging up, >> Brad. I am still with you. Um, >> no.

[00:24:00]>> Go ahead. Go to sleep.

[00:24:02]>> Yes, I'm >> You go to sleep. Go ahead.

[00:24:08]I'm hanging up.

[00:24:11]All right.

[00:24:13]All right. Okay. Okay. Gregory Stevens.

[00:24:17]Bye.

[00:24:19]>> Well, good night.