The usury debate in Brazil involves a complex interplay between Catholic tradition and libertarian economic philosophy, where both perspectives converge in opposing interest-bearing loans despite different underlying reasons—Catholics based on centuries of religious teaching and libertarians based on contractual ethics and the invalidity of alienating future labor. This debate has evolved through multiple stages involving key figures like Murilo Rezende, Paulo Cogos, and others, with significant controversy surrounding media manipulation, deleted content, and accusations of anti-Semitism, ultimately demonstrating that meaningful intellectual discourse requires transparency, accountability, and face-to-face engagement rather than digital manipulation.
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A discussão da Usura no BrasilAdded:
Hmm.
Hmm. Let's see if everything's alright.
Let's see if I'm live. Can you hear me? Is everything alright there? I do n't know if everything's alright over here.
Yes, I just listened to myself, everything's fine.
Okay, clan, for today's live stream, I want to discuss several topics with you all at once.
First, regarding the topic of the last live stream, let me get the money out of the way here. Regarding the topic of the last live stream, I mentioned that I was going to get my passport and take care of some business related to going to Portugal for the event. So, promise made, the passport is ready.
Oh, also in the meantime, besides everything else I announced, a subscriber, I even mentioned how much he donated, 2,000 for me to go. Another person offered to help me; they even sent me a letter of responsibility from the other country. So here's the thing, just by me announcing it, the clan is largely mobilizing. If you'd like to help me with this, the donation links are below. I'm telling you to do things a little differently this time.
I usually say that they can go through YouTube and all that, but it takes YouTube a month or two for the money to arrive.
So, if you want to help, consider sending a Pix payment, or something like that, right? Oh, what else was I going to tell you?
My trip to Portugal for the Hofberg centenary event, which will be a very interesting event. I'm going to try to have much closer contact, a much better reporting relationship with the people abroad, because here in Brazil there's not much to say, not much to do.
People are very, well, they're very, let's say, reactive, let's call it that.
People don't think for themselves; they want to grab and react to the conditions that are happening. So they talk about politics, they talk about things, but in the end you don't get much, you don't get much, let's say, depth in these subjects, right? I also took the liberty of recapping a controversy, and I even asked the EPT chat to make a summary— I don't think it was the PT chat, it was someone else, because the PT chat didn't make images— of the discussion about usury that took place here in Brazil in general. I wrote an article, and in today's live stream, I'll probably talk more about another topic that I wrote about. I was going to record the video, but in the end I didn't because I was rushing around sorting things out, because since I'm going to travel, I have to have everything ready, I ca n't have anything dependent on my presence here in Brazil, and I might not be able to do things remotely either, right? I won't have my computer with me, I won't have my things with me. Let me just take a look here.
Let me close WhatsApp here. Let me check the transmission to see if you have to send it.
I'll cancel my membership then and send the money via PicPay. The issue, I'm not saying, is even about canceling the membership in the long term. I'm saying, if you want to help specifically, for example, with this trip coming up, what will my travel itinerary be?
I'm going to Lisbon, I'll spend some time there, that's why I'm going to stay there. A friend of mine said I could stay at his house.
Well, the tickets were cheaper when I was there. And there's a possibility that I'll go to ECON. What am I going to do in ECone? A friend of mine who is a priest invited me to attend the Consecration of Bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X. But aren't you agnostic?
Yes, but what's stopping me, right? Wow, I'm sending a lot of messages here. Oh, just a second.
Then I can get it in Econe, I'm just muting my phone here.
Ready.
I can also get it from Econe and show it to you. It's going to be an interesting thing, because it's basically going to be the event of the century within the Catholic Church. A large part of my audience is Catholic, so those who know the three members of the fraternity know that they might be excommunicated, or maybe not. And that's going to define a lot of things from now on, right? So I'm thinking of taking that trip too. It's not very expensive, it's already in the plans. And there's another trip. Oh, what do you mean by that? Now he has his passport and is going to travel the world. No, calm down, I haven't turned into a digital clan, you can rest assured. What happened was this: when I went to Porto, I was talking to people, discussing the issue of usury, which is one of the main things I want to do, also commenting on other issues related to Brazilian libertarianism and everything else, other ideas that I want to see if I can get an invitation to own your website this year, which will be in September.
So, if you'd like to join in and contribute to this, there's the trip to Türkiye. It's a long journey in this case.
You have to see, you have to plan carefully, right? I would have to take care of that as soon as I got back.
So the question, in my view, is whether, if I manage to go there, it'll be more about contact, more about advancing ideas, and so on. What is this trick you have?
H, in order for you to gain access to those people in international libertarianism, it's very difficult to do it just through email or phone calls. You have to do it verbally, you have to be face to face. So that ends up being precisely the point that gets the most focus, like, "If only I could just do it, right?"
But I'll show you the article I wrote here. I'll show you from above. I made an image to summarize it, right? Let me reframe this properly; this is the introduction to the discussion about usury.
Here's the whole article. I'll only give you a quick overview. Don't worry, I'm not going to read this article. I'm going to show you a picture. I'll show you from above. It has a date, right?
There's a reference, there's a video, there's an unavailable video, but I have a link, right? It has Twitch. There's even, according to people, bribery involved, you know? Everything is here. And I took it all, documented this whole mess, did the whole thing, drew the conclusion, and now I'm talking about what my next step will be regarding this usury issue.
In my view, this whole issue is a matter for international discussion. So, what did I do? I asked the chat department to create this newsletter, this infographic, showing the issue. I divided the Zura issue into seven acts. I'll explain it here briefly. What happens is the first act, which he enters in September 2024, Murilo Rezende, who has the rejection of all forms of usury and he bases himself on Catholic tradition. And Paulo Cogos, he 's against Ozura too, right? But I say it's nominally against, because, oh no, it's obvious that no one there, no Catholic, is going to say: "No, I'm in favor of daura." Because that's communion, right? Well, that's wrong a priori for a Catholic.
Oh, people are sending me tons of books right now. How to literally convey a message, like spending 30 days in Europe with R$4,000, the video [laughs] that people send me, the [clearing throat] book that people send, PDF point. PDF, right?
Cogs, then, has an argument for flexibility.
Then they did it on the Caravelas Podcast, number 60, moderated by Marcelo Andrade, and Marcelo Andrade took the opportunity to reject it. So far so good, shut that down, you'll have immediate reactions.
Right after that, Saquarema, Thago Araújo, supports Resende's ideas, especially since Saquarema is kind of a student of the King Mateus Larçã, a restorationist donation that you know, and he also makes a video publicly supporting them.
Larçã then introduces several nuances, delves deeper into the issue, and addresses the specific disagreements he has, both live and later in an article, and so on. And at that time I released that diagram, that flowchart about the history of libertarianism. It was around this time. So I wasn't paying attention to that discussion, I was working on that flowchart, and it turned out really well, didn't it? Oh, so much so that Larant replied to me and then wrote an article about true wealth and the origin of money, which was a very interesting article. And I picked it up and started talking about this topic. Some of my Catholic friends were asking, "Oh, but is it that a Catholic is against interest?
What do you mean? Explain that." Then they started explaining, okay? But that also makes sense within libertarianism.
Why? Because if you're going to charge interest that will ultimately alienate the person's time, work, will, or body in the future, that alienation is invalid, okay? This is just a tool I asked the guy to make for, uh, for the purpose of, well, it was the Portuguese chat, it's up here, for organizational purposes.
So, act three is basically what I did; it's all about putting the gold standard of naturalism on the table, right? So, the live stream I did, which is about civilizational unethical usury, usury in libertarian contract theory, the first interview with Stephan Quincela, updates and news I released, and the second interview with Stephan Quincela.
Then Stephan Quincela started following me. I talk to Seifadin at Musa, I talk to Hopa, I talk to a lot of people within American libertarianism. Some American libertarian lawyers are starting to respond to me as either Europeans or I don't know, foreigners. Foreigners in general. They start responding, they start exchanging ideas, and I notice that the foreign environment is much better for having this type of discussion.
I pay so much attention that I take and update everything with the feedback people have given me, saying: "No, use this, base it on this, use this, I don't know what."
Look who's coming, look who's coming. What does "colo" mean, then? He'll be snoring soon and wants to get under my clothes later. That's an important point, Clá, it's a free topic, but I have something to say. Ah, there were the cross-cutting discussions, right? Miurin picks up the camera, shows up, and debates with Saquarema about the theological and political implications of capitalism. Basically, Ancap can be Catholic, right? And obviously, for those who know the channel, you know that Meurinh is an agorist; he's not a libertarian in the strict sense of the usual libertarian definitions. He even admitted it himself, right? That libertarianism is a trait of Alabama. That's it, it's over, he wants to change that, so there's not much point in paying attention to it.
Saquarema and Rezende then refute Cogos because he decides to attack Cog and the others again, and Cogos leaves the discussion. So, basically the first debate ends in act 4, and then Rezende has a discussion with Gustavo Machado, who is the Marxist, about what is worse, usury or surplus value.
Listen, would you rather borrow and pay interest, or borrow and have your profit stolen, the fruit of your labor stolen, right? Imagine, imagine Renato's moderation. It would be madness. Within that context, Meorin published a review in November, which is in the video here, it's on my channel, and this video, which has a 16-minute cut here, was deleted in January. This is very important because it's common practice for the people involved in the language since they were there, which is the fact that they do lots of media all the time. They keep proposing to change definitions, to alter things, I don't know what. It's all the time. That's why I don't take it seriously in discussions, that's why there's not much that can be done. Let me just grab this here so you can say, "Oh, and FOR is making things up, FOR isn't making anything up, right? I simply have a record of everything." Ah, but the thing is old or something.
If they elect me, I have almost everything saved and recorded. Let me grab this.
Ah, let me see here.
You have to find that article.
It's a collection of articles that I have here, neatly set aside.
Hold on a minute, Cla. Doing it live is complicated.
You all know very well how bad it is to do live. Okay, I'll get it here. Wait a minute. Ah, it's ideal here, but I'm only taking this picture to show you guys, okay? Look at the date here.
June 10, 2019.
Okay, here's how you guys get it, look.
You can read this article, it's not difficult, you can get it from this article here, ideally on the medium, it's here, see, libertarian assistants being conservatives. Basically, what happened was this: there was this article which is a critique of Ropa, a poorly done critique, by the way, and a lot of pages were rejected. Then I simply came and said: "Ah, look, what you said in such and such a place, right, it's on the previous page. What you said was missing, is on the next page.
What you said was missing, is in such and such a place." Then I had a counter-argument, but what's the problem? The rebuttal was anything but proper. And here we are at the end. You can read the entire article. Nevertheless, I ask for a truce, I even withdraw the toxic tone from the article in question, and I propose a civilized debate. Basically, what he's saying here is a truce. Okay, let's stop arguing. Remove the toxic tone.
So what happens? Everything I wrote, I don't believe. It is open to negotiation. Therefore, there is no commitment to the truth. Everything is open to negotiation. After this, look at the date this happened.
Here's the date, I know it was right after that, 7 years ago, okay? 7 years ago, that's a long time ago. Since then, I've thought that he 's not a serious person, you know? He 's not a serious person, very simple, because a person who does this kind of thing, who when he goes there deletes videos, like, let me get this, look. Oh, his video was deleted. Let me grab this.
If you go here, look, the first kill, phase one, click here to see. Boom, this video is private. The video is gone, right? The video is no longer available. So, what happens in this scenario that I'm discussing with you? Yes, that's standard, which is why there's not much discussion about it.
Hence, in Act 5, the debate did not take place. That's the very video I showed you that disappeared, right? The preparatory phase and preliminary transitions are widely publicized; they receive enormous media coverage. There's going to be a debate called the Pokémon debate, and why am I calling it the Pokémon debate? On one side, Saquarema, which is Rezende's, on the other side the economic scribble, which represented the general position of the pro-usury 2.
Cogos was saying that look, usury is good, I don't know if interest is good, so how good it is, we'll know the fruits, everything else, you can see the debate, it's good. So what other position has emerged? The position is that no, look, it's not usury, it 's not usury. Before that, there was also the outburst of calling everyone anti-Semitic, right? No, there's no argument, that anti-Semitic guy. The video clip is there, you can watch it. Then the debate doesn't happen, the fat guy disappears to have lunch and only comes back a month later. And all the content is deleted, but the clan never fails, never delays, and never anticipates. He pulls all the videos. The discussion then becomes informal. Economic drafts release interest rates. Usury addresses the problems with Murilo Rezende's definition, this on the 12th. Ah, hence the usury, erroneous, conceptual errors and scientific dissemination.
Saquarema responds to Rezende. Then Saquarema gets pissed off at Gordola's language and basically unleashes the anti-erotic rhetoric. But Saquarema makes a mistake and lumps all Brazilian libertarians together, confusing everything, getting the chronology wrong, and misunderstanding everything about libertarianism. Despite the documentary issue. Regarding the liberals, he's largely right, because I already knew a good part of what he put on the table. Then I reply Saquarema, because if we're CIA agents, and then I crumple up the scribble, right? Ah, because the scribbler simply made a series of arguments that are just, let's say, " Oh, look, this is a problem," but if you put all his arguments together, what is he proposing? That's what makes sense internally. So, that's the mess this debate is all about. So, what do we have? Well, a fat guy who disappears, no, a fat guy, is a fat guy who runs away, a fat guy who disappears and deletes things, and the scribble that just let those things go and then on April 20th said no, no, I don't, I don't argue, I don't argue with Forer because I'm going to have my own theory, I don't know what, in short, he did n't understand what I wrote, so it ended there, right?
Then there's act seven, which is the closing and the usurious commission, this one here is a meme, it's kind of a meme. It's a meme not in the sense that I'm inventing memes, it's because it's so funny that it's a meme, it's even become an audio clip in the little clan which basically goes like this? The repercussions behind the scenes. The drama continues, and since we 're on YouTube, we know what people are talking about behind the scenes, right? Although it's not public, people are basically accusing everyone of being anti-Semitic.
Basically, I'm just letting the people over there know that he 's antisemitic, okay? It's impossible to talk to them, they're anti-Semitic. No, you see? These guys here, they're all together and they want to do some kind of satanic ritual, right?
Satanic ritual to make the uncle with the little mustache come back and finish the job.
You see, right? See? And nowadays with Iá, these things are likely to end. So be careful. That's when it started happening. Larsan and Muniz make a tier list over there about internet ideas. They do something very formal. Larsan is commenting on what I did for Muniz. Muniz and I started talking, and there's a certain closeness between us.
Muniz shows the collector, which is one of the sites that has a large collection here, look.
Collection of materials or collector.
Rezende recommends land hoping off in her turn, which is basically the English word for collector. The thing is, Rezende isn't going to back down because the collector is from a vacant position, right?
Then I made the "sin audit" video, which is a meme; it's simply me bothering Catholics to read about usury and see that it was an extremely serious sin, even more serious than murder. It was often considered something that destroyed a community. You have the schedules and then you have it here in a video of the thing, it's all there, someone publicly asking me about " no," asking about the citizen and about: "Dude, and the 'for' and the 'for,' huh? It's very funny, it's very hilarious the way he talks, because it seems like he's talking about a crime, you know? It's like, listen to this, you're going to laugh your ass off. I think this is hilarious. Look at this here, look. And the audio is there. There's a question, man, that I wanted to talk to you about a few days ago.
Eh, what's the deal with 'fo,' man? What 's the [laughs] deal with 'fo'? He has to speak quietly, man. He has to speak quietly, you understand? And right after that he basically offers 30% because Muniz said: "No, they were, foro." He arrived and, oh, called, did this, did that, wow. And then the guys, I don't know what, no. So I'm not going to talk about 'foro.' Then [snoring] the Okay, very, very good, very good.
Here's a 30% commission, right? Some people are saying it's a way to guarantee alignment. I see that's exactly what it is. Oh, look here. It's a done deal with us. He's a real stud. But then the money didn't hit the account. On the 18th, Muniz already reacted to one of my videos, right? And when Muniz was talking about the issue of usury, which was more or less when we were exchanging ideas, he tried to do three live streams and the live streams crashed. To give you an idea, the live streams were taken down, he would start recording, talking about the subject, boom, the live stream would crash. He would start again, boom, the live stream would crash. It happened three times, three times in a row. Zura's live stream crashed. Zura's live stream crashed. Usury's live stream crashed. Three times he recorded on the topic, three times the live stream crashed out of nowhere. And then, CL, what happens now? Okay?
So, this is just an illustrative guide. So, what follows from this? Ah, Catholics and the conclusion, Catholics and libertarians cannot defend usury.
There's a small difference between the definitions of the two, but overall it's very close.
The former because they have centuries of teaching, the latter because it would invalidate contractual ethics, right?
So there's a victory here in Brazil because there's no one left to debate, there's nothing left for the " betinhas," okay? Nothing left for the "betinhas." All the "betinhas" are gone. Next step, the trip, I announced this in the conclusion, the trip to Porto to talk to people, to exchange ideas, to take this discussion abroad, which is already starting to have repercussions abroad, but I think that if I sit down and talk face to face with the person and even more so having this discussion with Portuguese people and even with others, with economists and things of that nature, it might help a lot for the community, I don't know, I won't say for sure. That's a prejudice, but maybe people say, "Oh, the guy's Brazilian, he doesn't understand the problems in Europe, he doesn't understand the problem." That's fine.
In the same way, if a guy starts talking a lot about Brazil, I'd think, "The guy doesn't live in Brazil to know, you know?" But he might be right. But I'd be listening, kind of like, " Hmm, uh-huh, you know?" a little bit, a little bit, outside the box. And then there's this issue of incentives, uh, I'm reading this wrong, this issue of recognition already obtained, right? For the most part, everything is fine. And the final requirement I made in the article is that if the old participants want to return to the discussion, they should stop hiding content, stop with the backstage intrigue, stop calling people anti-Semitic, things like that, right? Oh, restore all the media because suppressed videos are for [ __ ]. Very simple. The guy, the guy doesn't have the courage to publicly defend what... Think about it, right? And the truth doesn't fear the light of public record. Wait a minute, it's right here. Oops.
Just reacting. It's written here, okay? This is the last square. And this image here is the general overview, it's a general summary, as I said, it's not everything. Read the article, okay?
Let me see your comments so far. And then I'll move on to another part. Let's see here.
Oh, for 3 oitão is going to the Hofb event too, you know? Yes, it seems that Cobos is also going and that Alexandre Porto is also going, right? I think those two are going. So, what happens? If I'm at the event, I'm not going to get into a knife fight with the guys, right?
But if they start making fun of me, you can be sure I'll make fun of them back, because here, you know, it wo n't be good for the people, but in general that's it. We already know Cobos already skipped the event. Okay, he already ran away from the event, he already ran away from the debate. Porto thinks existence doesn't exist, therefore Ozura does n't exist either. So, I'm kidding, Porto didn't even get into that subject. Porto is being more consistent than the group that isn't pro- Ozura, right? And Renato, Renato depends on how he interprets the Bible. If he says, let me see here, what does my Bible say?
What does it say here? Oh, no, here, here I interpreted that it's possible, just as he interprets that polygamy is possible, so it's possible, so anything is possible, right? But, man, there has to be a system to take and invest in Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a blessing, it's a boon. It's not used to buy bread. What is it? You're going to take, use Bitcoin to acquire and be sovereign over your wealth. You use state currency, you use fiat currency to buy bread. That's not it. So that's going to be the argument.
That was a fiasco for the fat guy. Hey guys, listen up. Look here, the guy talks about making a video, an article. You can read this article.
Ultra-progressivism, faith in progressivism.
All that was missing was colored hair, you know?
Where did Ra get that definition from? Where did he get it from?
Then you see here, my friend, I even put a glossary, my friend. Look, the critic put it – I called him a critic to annoy him too – he put the following point: "Ah, Ra said such and such. I copied what he quoted." Now that it's been exposed, the critic used it as the basis for the beginning of his article, it's necessary to address what Ra said on the previous page, [laughs] you know? And then there's the explanation of precisely what he questioned about clothes.
So it's that thing, either the guy didn't read it, or the guy read it hungry and devoured the pages, you know? And that's it. And then the guy's response, he talks about clothes, no, he goes there and says... About Scruton, right? I even reread that text here. I was laughing over there. He's going to talk about Scruton, he's going to talk about Olá de Carvalho, he's going to talk about anything but the definition of ROPA. And then at the end, what does he do? He asks for a truce and wants to negotiate the tone.
No, look. Oh, I'll remove the toxic tone from my text.
I remove, look, I even remove so much toxicity. He, look what he does in this sentence. This sentence kills him. He admits he's being toxic on purpose.
He negotiates his tone. So, he's basically using the answer to get something else. So he has no commitment to the truth, because if he did, he wouldn't negotiate what 's written. He's trying to use this as a springboard, because fat people can't jump by themselves. He needs a springboard.
This was 7 years ago. And then when you say, "Okay, you want a truce?" I have zero intellectual importance, that's it, no problem, stay in your lane. Corner, consume your calories, understand? Hey, a truce.
Ask for a truce. Such a toxic little thing, right? Like, man, nothingness, complete nothingness. And then what happens in this... and he read it hungry. He read it hungry, clan, there's no way you can read democracy. I put another one, I put it here, look, for people to see.
I put it here, look, Hoffmar Brazil Democracy. I put OPF so I could highlight the page, right?
Here, look, he selects here, look, the conservative refers to someone who recognizes what is old and natural. From him. Where did he get that from? Because the other definition of conservative, the first meaning, so it can be discarded, comes precisely from the previous page. Man, the guy, the guy has to have devoured the page not to have read it, understand? He has to have... There's no other explanation, CL. There's no other explanation. The guy just denied the page.
He's too much of an agorist.
He just denied the page. It's the only possible explanation. Did you understand?
So I'm even thinking here, I think I'll cut this live stream short, I'll do another live stream just on the topic I want, so I'll do two live streams and it will be the same live stream, okay? I'll just cancel it and open another one to separate the topics.
But there's no other explanation. Of course not, there isn't. Just read this, it's been 7 years and look, I must be getting usurious because now this article is yielding interest you wouldn't believe. Here's the date, look. Here's the date. And then the guy comes lying saying: "Never debated with me, avoids me, [laughs] doesn't know how to answer me." "Uh, right?" And then you 'll see the thing, look, I'm asking for a truce. It's, it's, it's, it's that thing, it 's a, it's a, it's a miniature pinscher, man.
It's a miniature pinscher. It's a miniature pinscher this size. It looks like a [laughs] mortadella, you know? Sent a Telegram.
Let me see here. It's crazy. It's incredible.
Let me see.
Ah, I have echo on the live stream, sorry.
Huh, so that's it.
It's an absurd situation. It had echo the whole time.
So, the guy reads when he's hungry. CL is complicated. It's complicated for the guy who reads when he's hungry, right? Then the other video I have to make, ah, it has echo because I have the voice changer open, which is the vi mod here, it's open. Wait, it was open. Now it shouldn't have echo anymore. Look, with echo, without echo. That's all. I have one that I had a subscription to a long time ago. Then I was I was messing around with my email and I found it. I was actually messing with my old email, and I found it. Oops, let's see if it works. Boom, it downloaded. Nothing. Now it's excellent. Okay. No, no problem. Sorry, Cl. Sorry. I forgot.
It's just that it outputs digitally and I think the computer picks it up, but my headphones don't, you know?
Uh-huh.
So that's it. Look, this is a... And another thing, it's no use. Oh, oh, that fat guy is going to grab this and hide it because he loves making Lost Media. My friend, I already have this saved, okay?
This is already a PDF.
If you doubt it, it's even on the Wayback Machine, okay? I know I put it on the Machine way back, 7 years ago. So that's it. I recommend you read this article because it's very easy.
The guy basically has the same opinions as back then, these two periods here, he has the same opinions, but now he's Catholic and conservative, okay? Catholic and conservative, but he has the same opinions.
Ask them like this, look, If you ever want to. You changed your mind about the article, you were wrong about this article. Were you wrong about this article?
If he says no, that he wasn't wrong, then, like, look, there's the Catholic [laughs] and now yours, right? And if he takes his first memory, ah, that video is from a long time ago and what's his first memory of him [ __ ] himself in the lunch line.
H, and if he takes it and says he's wrong, it's like, look there, look. Kk, he was wrong, you understand? He was wrong. Because if he was wrong on this point here, his criticism of the counter-argument is wrong. Or he'll want to keep both things, which is like, no, look, I changed my mind, but I still hold the same idea. There's no way. There's no way, CL.
No, there isn't.
I, ah, but you'll say: "No, but now he has Catholic ideals." "I challenge any Catholic to read the entire 'Democracy Has Failed,' and specifically chapter 10, and not find it 'based.'
I doubt it, I doubt the guy will read it and not find it 'based.' I doubt it. Larsan is there. Is Larsan 'based or not?'
The Restorationist Action is there, he answers: 'It's 'based,' isn't it? It's 'based.' And if he says no, I have a video of Larsan saying it is, you understand?
Let me see what Larsan sent here. It 'll be saved, right? Yes, look, see? It's ' based.' So that's it, CL. This is the first part of the live stream, and in the second part I want to talk about this subject here, which is the critique of, uh, the critique of pure counter-economics, which is one I picked up here from the guy from Hercules, who sells watches in Athens, [clearing throat] right?
And that 's it, folks. I'm going to turn off the live stream and open it right after, okay?
Then I'll edit it later. What was said here?
Ah, the true 'burning' Bridges, right? No, I have them, my commitment is to the truth, right? Friendship is what's left, [laughs] okay? I'm going to end it here. Don't leave the channel.
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