Austin Drummond: Back In Court & He Has Something's To Say!

Added: 2026-06-02

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[00:03:29]So, it's been a while since we've went over Austin Drummond's case, but there's been, you know, um there well, there was a there was a status hearing, so or motions hearing.

[00:03:40]So, we will go over that. But um the reason why, you know, he is in jail again or prison again, they're holding him in a prison is because authorities say that he um murdered four members of the same family in Tiptonville in July of 2025. They were Their names were James Matthew Wilson, 21, Adriana Williams, 20, Braden Williams, 15, and then Courtney Rose, and she was 38.

[00:04:12]Um I think actually Yeah, I think this I was like with the same age as her pretty much whenever this case started, so Um the case gained national attention immediately um after the couple's because it was basically the couple Adriana and uh James, sorry. They call him Matthew Wilson. They had a baby together, um 7-month-old little baby.

[00:04:34]The baby was found abandoned alive, of course, um in a car seat in a stranger's yard 40 miles away from where the murders happened. So, first the police, you know, stumble across a a baby. They get a call of a, you know, a a baby in a yard.

[00:04:56]And I want to say that was like around like 4:00 or something like that.

[00:05:01]I don't know why I want to say that. I want to say it's something It was like 4:00.

[00:05:05]For some reason. It might not have been.

[00:05:08]Um but I remember For some reason I remember hearing about the baby being like left in the yard first, and then, you know, hours later we hear that they had found the mother, the father, um the mom, the baby, her brother, and then I believe her mother or It was either her mom or stepmother. Um but they found the baby at, like I said, 40 40 miles away. That's That's a pretty That's a pretty good distance away.

[00:05:34]Um Now, I wonder if allegedly allegedly Austin, if he dropped the baby that far away, you know, from the scene so that it would take he would think it would take investigators longer for them to find, you know, the the victims maybe, but he didn't do that good of a job. I mean, obviously, if you're you found a baby and you're looking for the parents of said baby, I would probably go to the old Facebook.

[00:06:09]That's probably where I would go.

[00:06:11]And see if there's Well, I first I check the baby and see if there's any identifying markers on you know, on the baby, but Oh, will I have my kittens? Or did someone else get a kitten?

[00:06:22]Mine's Tessie.

[00:06:25]I know, Gogo Margo, me too. Well, me too for a minute.

[00:06:29]Well, I almost Well, I didn't forget about the case. I almost forgot about the psychics that he had, but we're going we're >> [laughter] >> we're going to talk about them, too, because I was like, wait, hold on a minute. There was like four other people or five other people that helped him, you know, do all this. So, um investigators police say that the victims were shot, that their bodies were covered with tarp.

[00:06:50]Um I believe that two of the victims were shot like if you're on the road, it would have been, you know, like to the left and then up ahead like I think that the other um the the young couple was over to the right. Um but the infant was, you know, left in intentionally left alive. I mean, she was left alive. I'm not going to say intentionally because, you know, it was a hot day. I mean, anything could have happened to that baby. If the people that didn't live there, he So, obviously I apparently he stopped. Um Austin Drummond stopped the car that he was in and he said, "Hey, I need you guys to like call the police. There's a there's a baby down the road in Seminole Heights."

[00:07:42]And then he skedaddled. So like he let you know, people kind of know.

[00:07:47]Not very smart. I mean, you know, they could probably ID him, but So then after he does all of this, you know, allegedly murders four people.

[00:07:58]Very young people. I mean, not like it's doesn't matter the age, but you know what I mean, these people were very young, very young parents.

[00:08:05]Takes their child, puts it in someone's yard 40 miles away, and then he gets the hell out of dodge. Like he's like, "I'm out of here."

[00:08:12]You know, so that's when the manhunt, you know, started.

[00:08:16]So they charged him um Well, basically what happened with the manhunt was he became one of Tennessee's most wanted fugitives.

[00:08:24]I bet you your mother was proud.

[00:08:26]I I um She's probably hoping. Authorities warned um that he was armed and dangerous. We did see surveillance footage of him like wandering around. I believe it was a church or something like that with a like a semi-automatic weapon in his hand.

[00:08:42]Um his car was later found abandoned and it was recovered. Um the TBI, the FBI, the US Marshals, and the local police were all involved in this, you know, the search for him.

[00:08:56]Um he was captured in Jackson behind a vacant pool house after residents called 911 reporting sightings. Um authorities recovered several weapons nearby.

[00:09:07]I believe that that he was I think he had like he was in the pool house and I think that he had the weapon, one of the weapons in the pool house with him.

[00:09:16]If the homeowner would have walked in there and saw him, I don't know I don't know. I don't know how that would have worked, right? Hey princess, how are you doing?

[00:09:27]Hey coffee, you.

[00:09:29]There's so much to this case.

[00:09:32]Is anybody here from Tennessee? I hate that you cannot get a FOIA unless you live in the state of Tennessee And I mean I don't live in the great state of Tennessee.

[00:09:40]But if someone does and they want to help a girl out, I'll call you. We'll figure it out. Hm.

[00:09:47]Um but they did charge him with four counts of first-degree murder, aggravated kidnapping, weapons charges, and um he was a felon in possession.

[00:09:58]So, they have that. Um prosecutors announced that they are seeking the death penalty.

[00:10:03]Oh, thank you, Margot, for gifting up five memberships. That's awfully sweet of you. Tracy got one. Not so nice Canadian. Oh, not so nice Oh, every Canadian's nice. Adjuster Focus. I like that cuz I can be like Adjuster Face.

[00:10:17]Um Mina Cox and Sherry. Oh, look at that. Welcome in.

[00:10:21]Welcome on in. Thank you so much. That was very sweet of you.

[00:10:27]So, um what else?

[00:10:30]He does have a criminal background. I mean, he was been he was in jail before.

[00:10:34]We've talked about that. Um he was I don't know if he was a CI or or what.

[00:10:40]We're going to go through some of these um people associates that was charged with him. We're going to I'm going to go through their um paperwork because I'm seeing stuff, but I like You know me, I like to read it for myself and see it for myself. But they are saying, you know, um they're just I don't know. They're just saying some stuff about about him maybe being a like a CI, which to me that kind of matches up.

[00:11:09]The dude was in jail. He was in prison, I'm sorry, in prison with like an Xbox or something. Like one of those game like game systems, you know. He sold like the whole like grocery store behind him. There is no way they're going to allow you to have that much commissary at a time in your I don't see that.

[00:11:28]Um what else did they have? They were wearing plain clothing, he was wearing whatever he wanted. He had the two cell phones. He had he was like found with a weapon like and still served just 13 years. Just 13.

[00:11:46]Oh, you got one Tracy. Didn't see that.

[00:11:47]Oh, good.

[00:11:51]That is so sweet.

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[00:11:58]Okay, so I just got to do a couple more things to tell you about the case and we'll get to the hearing. So, I'm put in some work to figure out where what happened to these accomplices, but um basically there were a few different there was a few different people that helped him, you know, and all of this and and him I mean Austin.

[00:12:24]Um if you didn't know Austin was actually dating you know, the sister of Courtney Rose and and she was a prison guard where he was a prison inmate. I mean it it's it's very there a tangle weave, you know, what we weave, right? Um but authorities did charge Diarra Sanders, Eric Wise, Michael um I think it's Mitchell, Mitchell, yeah, Mitchell Ovis, Ovis, Ovis and then Giavonti Thomas. Um they were all charged with accessory after the fact.

[00:13:02]And basically they were you know, giving them clothes, giving them cars, you know, taking them places, letting them giving them a place to stay, giving them money, doing things to help him stay, you know, off the trail of authorities.

[00:13:18]So, Diarra, Eric, they both played guilty and they received a plea agreement like a plea deal sentence.

[00:13:28]They are both reportedly they agreed to testify in Drummond's upcoming trial.

[00:13:34]So, that's why they got a plea deal.

[00:13:37]Um Now, Michael or Mitchell, Mitchell I want to say Michael but it's Mitchell.

[00:13:42]Um he reportedly rejected the plea deal.

[00:13:45]He's like, "Uh-uh, I'll see you at trial." So, he's scheduled for trial. Giavante Thomas appeared in court with the other one other people in 2025. Then I'm going to show you that. There's like a 3-minute clip. Um but public reporting afterwards has been like less detailed on on him.

[00:14:04]Like they haven't really said what his final outcome is. Just Saunders and Wise. So, um there's a lot of online, you know, discussion around the case that involves alleged gang connections, prison smuggling operations, which I do kind of believe that one.

[00:14:22]Um drug running theories, hit conspiracy theories, all over. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff. I mean, it comes from YouTube, all wherever, you know.

[00:14:30]Facebook, all the things. So, um but what is confirmed publicly is that four mem- four family members were killed, a baby was abandoned alive, Drummond was arrested after a major manhunt, prosecutors are pursuing the death penalty, and then several people are charged in helping him after the fact. So, lots and lots and lots. Look at that. 37 months, princess.

[00:14:59]Aw, thank you. Thank you for being here for so long, princess.

[00:15:03]Hey, Renee.

[00:15:07]Thank you. Courtney's ex was also in the same state prison as Austin.

[00:15:11]Isn't she lovely?

[00:15:14]Or isn't he lovely? I mean, she was she was fine. Isn't he lovely?

[00:15:18]I don't understand. What Actually, I do understand. I don't I understand. I'm not going to say what makes you like a a you know a prison a someone that's in prison, but it's it it's because like they know how to talk to people.

[00:15:35]They can write you a love letter every day, right? They don't have a job.

[00:15:40]And if they do, it's in the prison, you know, maybe the the the mess hall, you know, from 12:00 to 1:00, uh you know, for 50 cents an hour.

[00:15:48]Like, you know what I mean? Like, they have plenty of time to woo you and to talk to you and to tell you everything and to call you, mostly on your own dime. It'll always be on your own dime.

[00:16:00]Just, you know, just think of those things. If you ever run into somebody, you know, pen pal it up, you know, a Bryan Kohberger and they're like, "You're real pretty."

[00:16:10]And I'm I'm like, "I'm good." Just say, "I'm good."

[00:16:14]Just I like just like I like my money.

[00:16:18]It's kind of like Dang, it's kind of like YouTube.

[00:16:25]I'm sorry, something that was that just reminded me of something that was funny.

[00:16:29]I'll tell you guys at the end of the live. So, um he So, I am a little late on you know, on his hearing, but he did have this hearing um last week or week week before, um and we're going to go over it, but I wanted to show you guys this video. I I think all right.

[00:16:48]Before um we watch that cuz it just talks about the four people that were accused of, you know, helping Austin Drummond. They appeared in court um and it just gives us a little bit more than what I I think than what I gave you guys, so.

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[00:17:40]So, this is just from This is from September. Um but hell, I didn't see it.

[00:17:45]And I was like, I'm going to share this with them, too. Maybe you guys didn't see it. They just talked about um the people that were helping Austin in the background.

[00:17:53]And how they showed up for court.

[00:17:57]ments in the Austin Drummond case. Now, the man charged with killing a family of four and abandoning their baby in Dyer County, he the suspects who are charged with helping him also appeared in court today.

[00:18:12]Uh for the first time, new details emerged about their relationships with him. Action News 5's Caitlin Miller shows you how deep their involvement goes, according to investigators.

[00:18:22]Giovante Thomas, Michelle Ovalle Stearns, Deeara Sanders, and Eric Wise all appeared before Judge Don Allen this morning. The four suspects all facing accessory after the fact charges. While focus has largely been on how the suspected accomplices helped Austin Drummond after his crimes, it was made clear in court today that's not where the story begins. FBI Agent Scott Lawson last week said the car Drummond is believed to have driven was rented a day prior by Michelle Ovalle. Her attorney stated in court today that she was only guilty of renting and returning a car.

[00:19:00]Her involvement is very limited. She was asked to rent a car, which is not illegal, and she was required by that rental contract to return that vehicle.

[00:19:08]It's not illegal.

[00:19:09]I'm just going to say this.

[00:19:12]Raise your hand in if you would be like Raise your hand [clears throat] if you if you had a rental car, right? A rental car.

[00:19:21]And your anybody, I don't care if it's your brother, your sister, your mom wants to drive it.

[00:19:29]Raise your hand and if you Raise your hand if you'd be like, "Yeah, sure. Yep, go ahead and take the rental."

[00:19:34]I I I would not trust nobody in a rental to drive my rental.

[00:19:37]You know what I mean?

[00:19:39]Rental cars get a little dirt in there. They're like $400 to clean it. You know what I mean?

[00:19:43]Like it's not that bad, but I think she knew what she was doing when she rented it that rental car is what I'm trying to say. I I think you I think people let their mom drive the rental.

[00:19:54]But you know what I mean.

[00:19:56]I'm not muted. No, I'm not actually. I was like, "Dang it, now am I muted?" But I wasn't actually.

[00:20:01]Can you not hear me?

[00:20:04]Uh-oh.

[00:20:06]Ladybug lost it.

[00:20:08]Ladybug done lost it.

[00:20:11]>> [laughter] >> There were scarce if any mention of her involvement directly with Drummond.

[00:20:19]However, Judge Don Allen made it clear that what Ovalle's told law enforcement seems to paint a different picture.

[00:20:25]According to the statements she made, she did make several statements which apparently would indicate some knowledge of the homicide and the also knowledge of the aggravated kidnapping.

[00:20:37]So I do find that the apparent probability of conviction is likely. We also learned more about Ovalle's relationship with Giovante Thomas, the man police say Drummond called less than an hour after the murders. Thomas Wasn't he the one that was like dancing around on like the TikTok or something?

[00:20:55]Oh, we got to find them.

[00:20:57]Or like Facebook.

[00:20:59]And Ovalle were living together at the time and shared two children ages 2 and 10. Prosecutors say the same car Ovalle rented for Drummond was returned to Thomas. When discussed in court today, Thomas's attorney and Judge Allen went back and forth on whether Thomas knew the vehicle had just been used to commit mass murder.

[00:21:38]It also came to light You would think that there would be blood, right?

[00:21:44]Like if he shoots four people there's probably I don't know how close the wounds were, but blow back.

[00:21:59]>> [laughter] >> I was like, uh-oh, Ladybug's wanted me to get her the hearing aids. I need them.

[00:22:03]For when I'm in court and the they're talking, I'm like What they saying? I really do need I need something like enhance the sound.

[00:22:10]>> Sanders and Eric Wise are connected. The two suspects believed to have purchased the duffel bag and cell phone found near where Drummond was caught by police August 5th.

[00:22:20]Prosecutors also say Sanders gave Drummond food, clothes, and a place to stay after the crime.

[00:22:26]Okay, one more time, I'll pause it. Huh?

[00:22:29]Do you think that maybe these people, right, the guys, not the women, but the men were in prison with Austin and maybe Austin did them a favor of some sort?

[00:22:43]And so whenever he, you know, shit hit the fan, he was like, "Y'all owe me a favor."

[00:22:48]And then they got their girlfriends involved?

[00:22:53]Because I just don't understand how people be thinking like it's a good idea to help somebody.

[00:23:01]I mean, if it doesn't matter what If he says, "I need you to hey, Gevon I need you to pick me up in a car. I'm leaving my car down the road." I mean, they're going to say what you do.

[00:23:14]You're I mean, he was in prison. It's not like he is a an altar boy.

[00:23:18]You know, like they're going to be like The one was childhood friends with him.

[00:23:23]Well, I could see that then maybe. Like Yeah, man. I There are those childhood friends you'd rather die for and I got one of them. I probably rather die for her.

[00:23:35]It was four.

[00:23:39]Yeah, it was four. Yeah.

[00:23:41]Even when she found out what he had done. She said that she learned he was actually loose in town on Friday morning, August 1st, but she did continue to let him stay at her apartment. So, he left on Saturday, August 3rd, 2015.

[00:23:55]It was also revealed in court today that Sanders, who was facing a $25,000 bond before today's hearing, is currently 6 months pregnant and under close medical supervision due to complications. Bond was set for all four of the suspects, ranging from two Who was hers? That's not Deara.

[00:24:16]Did they let her out?

[00:24:17]Or is it Is that Mitchell or whatever it was? Michelle.

[00:24:24]I'm going back. The two suspects believed to have purchased the duffel bag and cell phone found near where Drummond was caught by police August 5th.

[00:24:32]Prosecutors also say Sanders gave Drummond food, clothes, and a place to stay after the crime. Even when she found out what he had done. She said [snorts] that she learned he was actually loose in town on Friday morning, August 1st, but she did continue to let him stay at her apartment. So, he left on Saturday, August 3rd, 2015.

[00:24:53]It was also revealed in court today that Sanders, who was facing a $25,000 bond before today's hearing, is currently 6 months pregnant and under close medical supervision due to complications. Bond was set for all So, she's at a $150,000 bond.

[00:25:12]I mean, if If you're pregnant, I mean I know it's I mean I know she shouldn't have she she did, right? But like pregnant high-risk pregnancy, I don't know. There is There is no jail in the world that's going to be able to handle a woman. I'm sorry that is a high-risk pregnancy.

[00:25:35]They're just going to put her in a pod and say, "Stay in your bed."

[00:25:40]Like I don't see them like I mean, I don't know, putting her up anywhere. Like They ain't going to chain They ain't They ain't taking her to the Holiday Inn, that's for sure.

[00:25:48]>> Four of the suspects, ranging from $250,000 to $100,000.

[00:25:54]In Memphis, Kaylyn Miller. Act Okay.

[00:26:01]Did they all ended up pleading guilty?

[00:26:04]I didn't I didn't know about the other ones cuz the one was like, "I'll stay in trial." And I was like, "Oh Okay.

[00:26:11]The um What was Giavonni T.

[00:26:20]But that's because Yeah, I couldn't That's what I said earlier, I couldn't find a lot of information on him. Okay.

[00:26:24]So, I can only find this one um the old Facebook, but that's fine though. That's where we're watching from. I did fix the font like the closed captioning so that you guys can like better um like see it, I hope.

[00:26:40]Like I made it white with black or something. I don't know. I did it opposite and I made it bigger. So, um hopefully you guys can see the the um the closed captionings. So, the beginning of this is kind of hard to like understand a little bit, but it it does clear up a little bit. So, um and hold on.

[00:26:58]Wait, okay. They're going to zoom in to him. He's over here in the white.

[00:27:04]This This case is insanity.

[00:27:10]Yeah, that's what I Yeah, that's what they were saying. Well, we only got two I only had two of them that I knew that um that turned state for sure. But, yeah, wow.

[00:27:20]You know, that's what I mean.

[00:27:24]If it's they they They shouldn't have even helped to begin freaking with because then they wouldn't be turning nothing. They'd be chilling at home.

[00:27:35]And he'd be here doing this.

[00:27:37]I I don't understand it.

[00:27:45]Court of Criminal Appeals decision just a couple of weeks ago, actually Now, they're talking about the case.

[00:27:52]May 4th in State versus Christopher Weaver, that Hemel County case that the Court of Criminal Appeals decided that modified the procedure just a little bit for post-conviction relief.

[00:28:11]Once they move on to him, too, I can always um bump up the the volume for you guys, too.

[00:28:17]That way you can hear it more.

[00:28:20]Actually, I'll do it now. Let me And then tell me in the chat if it it makes it louder.

[00:28:27]You want a copy of the questionnaire?

[00:28:30]No, sir, I do not. I brought one, actually.

[00:28:32]And then didn't didn't get it to you.

[00:28:52]>> I'm going to give them a minute to run through that.

[00:29:23]The virtual attendance change.

[00:29:26]Uh question number 20 is if you have a selected jury because this is a capital case, uh we suggest changing that question to a capital qualified jury.

[00:29:36]I'm happy for you to write it down.

[00:29:40]And that's fair.

[00:29:59]Okay, now I know for sure I had these closed captions on earlier and now I'm trying to think of how it Why is it not showing the closed captions?

[00:30:07]Okay.

[00:30:12]Isn't that weird?

[00:30:15]It's freaking so weird.

[00:30:16]That's really weird.

[00:30:19]Maybe this is it.

[00:30:21]Maybe not.

[00:30:31]Okay, the first one is handed off question number two >> [cough] >> Just look at the motions that were scheduled for Today, the first one I've got is a stay of motion for protective order for disturbing which was previously granted by the court. There's been a motion filed in this court and I think you filed a motion to modify the the protective order, is that right?

[00:30:56]That's right, Judge.

[00:31:15]I think last time they were in court they were trying to get this modified to where he could talk to the ex-girlfriend.

[00:31:24]I don't know if it was the last hearing, but I remember it was a hearing before this one.

[00:31:30]Did you have a proposal as to how they would go about Right now, Mr. Grumbles does not get to keep a copy of the discovery proposal of the history of publicity.

[00:31:47]Creates a lot of problems for the case.

[00:31:48]Number one, it creates a lot of uh unnecessary publicity.

[00:31:54]It is difficult for family of the victims and it even interferes It's really interfering with the orderly process in this case. So, how would we How do you propose we modify that in order to uh not have the problem?

[00:32:12]Well, your honor, I think I've actually got the second motion which is the review of the special requirements to have him either remanded back to a local jail.

[00:32:21]Uh I think they kind of go hand in hand.

[00:32:24]The biggest issue that we have right now is being able to protect the community and coordinate with Mr. Grumbles. Where he's being housed now is extremely difficult uh to be able to even give him obviously this character to review while we're there. Uh we have this uh Ferguson here with the investigators at the Department of Corrections. And the issue that we have is the way communication is allowed at the in-person visitation. It's just connected to glass and it's very difficult to be able to have it controlled.

[00:32:56]Do you want to touch on any differently from our affidavit? I I don't think so, Judge May. You've seen the affidavit?

[00:33:02]Yes. I've seen the affidavit. Yes, sir.

[00:33:04]So, that's presenting a big challenge.

[00:33:06]We are able to meet by Zoom uh and we can show with the screen shares.

[00:33:12]As far [clears throat] as being able to uh really have meaningful opportunity to view that discovery, uh it's just it's not feasible, especially with the Zoom timelines and the way we have to coordinate with him. What is it about the Zoom that prevents you from speaking with him? [clears throat] Well, it's The Zooms are going to be limited in nature uh because they have to have a staff member, although not in the room, right outside of the room, as opposed to a visitation area. And so, we're limited in scope and length when it comes to visiting by Zoom. We are able to communicate but it's a short burst. Uh you know, we can we can show him with the screen shares, uh but that's going to be a very limited time frame for him to review the documents. Uh and of course, he can't retain them to review them in any way.

[00:34:01]So, that's really a very big significant challenge, uh especially with the six-minute limit.

[00:34:08]Do you think that would be fixed if you had better access to him? Is that what you're telling me? Absolutely, yes.

[00:34:14]Even if he doesn't get to retain copies of the discovery?

[00:34:18]Yes, uh it would obviously be more advantageous if he could retain copies of the discovery. Uh my suggestion to the court would be to have some kind of a modification of order where the documents are available to them in the prison, uh but they would still need to be controlled from the standpoint of you know, not being able to go and take it back to his cell.

[00:34:39]For instance, he can't go to the law library and check out the material to review and then be taking it to the halfway house or whatever, but just not being able to take it back into his cell. Is that available Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

[00:34:54]>> [clears throat] >> Uh remember um Kohberger, he he wanted the same thing.

[00:35:00]He said that he wanted to be able to look at his documents when he wanted to or something like that, and they were like, "Okay, we'll give you this little jump drive with all of your shit on there, and you can go out to this big hunking computer, you know, and you can like look at your case or whatever whatever you want to look at." So, that's what they do.

[00:35:21]Hey, how are you? I'm part of the live crew.

[00:35:24]I'm glad you're here.

[00:35:27]Cassie.

[00:35:30]Oh, see, he he didn't he didn't stop that guy going to crap, too. Well, probably cuz he wants to represent himself.

[00:35:37]But where is the prison he has? Cuz it's not probably not available in in local in any local jail. I'm not certain that it is. I think that there is a law library where he's at, but again, that would be subject to the prison staff being able to get in there and be able to view that.

[00:35:53]Um it it's just not feasible for him to be able to view the it's voluminous discovery plus videos and This is why he discovered Do you you understand what I'm looking for is some reasonable assurance that the materials are not going to also wind up in some sort of published uh form. Absolutely.

[00:36:13]>> Publicly publicly. And I think that I'm sorry he paused this, so I won't pause it again for another few minutes.

[00:36:18]But isn't that the the the deter uh the blah blah blah Isn't that the attorney's job? Like I know he's like I don't think he's being paid, but like for them to break down the discovery. Like your client and technically they're allowed to look at every piece of discovery they want to look at, right? But as a trial attorney, I feel like that's your part of your job to break down all of that so that they don't really have to read a bunch of like mumbo jumbo that they're not going to understand in the long run. You know what I mean?

[00:36:52]Like he should be I would be like, okay, the the discovery they have is they have like your fingerprints here, they got your cell phone here, they got your cast here. You know what I mean? I I feel like that would be a way better use of the court's time and the attorney's time.

[00:37:10]Then to have Austin Drummond try to be his own attorney and try to figure out all these Just because you went to prison and you're with a law, you know, one of those prison lawyers, okay? That is not it's not the same. If if there's some central resolution to practice where those materials are controlled uh but available for him to take out during the day or whatever. He cannot take them back to his cell or whatever.

[00:37:36]As long as the the staff make sure that they control access to those documents and that they don't go back with him, I think that would be the better alternative.

[00:37:45]Um that's the only other suggestion that I could have that will allow him to review his discovery uh in a meaningful manner and it will be a meaningful manner because there's there's a lot of documents.

[00:37:57]>> that.

[00:37:59]>> [clears throat] >> I understand it.

[00:38:01]Sir, I'm going to be fine.

[00:38:03]Yes, briefly.

[00:38:09]Sir, the opposition really depends on what is available to the court and him at Riverview and or whatever he has.

[00:38:15]Obviously the state follows the protective order or a request for a protective order. And then one of the main concerns that I have is that our concern is just like the court's uh the availability of the protective So, whatever possibilities there are at Riverbend that that's what your husband has talked about, you know, whatever those are that that's kind of the type of ruling to know his position, what what's publicly or what's available that staff can do to allow him to see his discovery but also make sure that this does not make it out on the internet.

[00:38:46]Well, we don't know that. I've been in the whole lot preferred to know that information in order to make a decision on the motion to modify.

[00:38:57]But, it may well be worth may well be worth looking into where we could put it on a checkout basis if it's the prison law library at whatever facility he may be at he is able to available.

[00:39:15]Since I I have some good contacts with the general counsel through the Department of Corrections I'll wind up sending an email to him and and Mr. Huffman and Mr. Parks and maybe we could find out what avenues they potentially have and then we could present those to the court at a later time.

[00:39:32]I'm not trying to cut you off from putting your investigation on. However, if she's going to testify in this case then we could put her after that and then that's what she's testifying to the judge. All right, the court hears you.

[00:39:42]And I don't want I don't want to cut you out of the opportunity to cross-examine this witness.

[00:39:49]You're on the record.

[00:39:51]Yes, sir.

[00:39:53]Well, I'll tell you what I really like to hear before you do that. What I really like to hear is that we're past that.

[00:39:59]We're past the need to publish stuff, the desire to put stuff out in the public that continues to interfere with this case. That's what I'd like to hear.

[00:40:09]Haven't heard it yet but I'd like to hear it. So, what do you need to tell me, sir?

[00:40:13]You're going to need a microphone to get him on the record. Just keep your seat, that's where you are.

[00:40:25]He was going to get up, he's going to stand at the podium.

[00:40:28]He wanted to be like a real lawyer.

[00:40:32]What do you need to tell me about that issue, sir?

[00:40:41]You You understand the history is inconsistent with that, right?

[00:40:51]We don't have to We don't have to I don't We don't need to talk about I'm just worried about what we do in the future. What's done is done. Let's talk about what we do in the future. And if you're telling me you're past that, it helps me.

[00:41:04]You You You understand that if the court modifies the protective order and something winds up being published out there, number one, I'm going to find out about it.

[00:41:14]There's too many people following this matter. I'm going to find out about it.

[00:41:18]And number two, it's going to really cause you a problem. It's going to delay getting your case tried, which means you're sitting in prison doing nothing.

[00:41:28]Okay? You understand how bad?

[00:41:30]Additionally, and based on history, some of this stuff isn't helpful to you.

[00:41:35]You know? Okay?

[00:41:39]But thank you. Thank you for telling me that. Anything else you need to tell me about?

[00:41:58]Okay. Thank you for asking me. It's a good It's a It's a fair question.

[00:42:02]Your Honor, I was going to say Your Honor, stating something that is the same thing that you ordered, right?

[00:42:10]You ordered him on more than occasion not to violate the gag order, not to release any information to the defendant.

[00:42:18]He has continued to violate your order.

[00:42:20]As a matter of fact, he has done that twice since No, we didn't. the information has been written up twice for violating the order of the court.

[00:42:29]So, Austin, I was going to give it I was going to give you one. And have you been Oh, my jeez.

[00:42:39]The fact that he says he will not do that is not real much comfort to the court because he said that before and he violated the these same orders Well, I'd rather hear I'd rather be hearing that than be hearing I'm going to do what I want to do.

[00:42:55]Let No, sir. I'm going to let your lawyer respond. Right now, you're represented by a lawyer. I appreciate what you have done, but your lawyer is responsible for this part of this matter.

[00:43:05]He's responsible.

[00:43:06]Judge, I I understand the history of this case.

[00:43:09]Uh I would say that the emotions are highly charged here.

[00:43:12]Um and given the history, I understand what the court's why the court has concern and issued the gag order as well as the protective order.

[00:43:22]Um but, that being said, we really need to be able to communicate with him effectively and he really needs to have a meaningful opportunity to review this discovery and in this case, it's it's and and work with us. Um how that has to happen, uh I understand the court's concerns with things being out there.

[00:43:40]Um Mr. Drummond he made a good suggestion. It's good because the documents we have are digital. We we give him paper copies. We give them to the prison paper copies. Uh but, we can just as easily give him digital copies as well.

[00:43:53]I'm not sure whether I have the authority to order the Department of Corrections to provide certain equipment.

[00:43:59]No, I'm not suggesting that. I would say that if that is a good potential, I think that would go a long way to >> [clears throat] >> alleviating the court's concerns. It's a lot easier to control a digital tablet or whatever than it is a mass of documents.

[00:44:14]Which is the alternative that we we have.

[00:44:16]>> I see what you're saying. What I what I think I'd like to do, General, is to if you will, make your contact with the Department of Corrections with the idea if a if an electronic device could be provided to a librarian or other person that's available for him to go on and and look at you know, or you know, in a meaningful way. And that's the whole idea here. Yes. Uh I think that's what >> meaningful review. What we need to figure out is what are the what are the facilities You're right.

[00:44:53]If we know that, now we'll be back here on the 26th on some other matters.

[00:44:58]Okay, maybe I don't know if you've got if that's That would give you a lot of time, doesn't But but we're not looking to be here on the 26th. Which is for age and all.

[00:45:07]Perfect day.

[00:45:10]You all have a meeting today, all right?

[00:45:12]Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't mean to >> [snorts] >> Okay.

[00:45:22]Don't hold the motions till we have the petition and information about that.

[00:45:26]I don't know if you can do that before then so we can at least I can be thinking about how we do it. I'll send an email.

[00:45:34]That was the motion for the thousand the loser of the jail. No, I'm going to deal with that separately.

[00:45:44]There's a defendant's motion for discovery and inspection. Are there any issues with discovery at the moment other than the problem with meaningful review?

[00:45:55]No, sir. I mean, we've been working with the A's on this. He's been as he's getting his documents, he's getting to we we have a lot of discovery already.

[00:46:06]Uh there may be additional things that we can get for instance we basically I'm going to ask the nation or maybe additional documents again.

[00:46:13]Uh but you'll basically be very diligent in getting us what we want.

[00:46:18]Right. There's no other discovery issues that I'm aware of at this time.

[00:46:24]You agree?

[00:46:28]There's still there's several in my office still in my office and then we're waiting on them.

[00:46:34]A lot of reports that have been sent out to the TBI.

[00:46:39]Because of your famous motion for exculpatory material under Brady versus Maryland, are there any disagreements at this moment about what might constitute Brady material?

[00:46:50]No, sir. In fact, I filed that motion initially. I know it.

[00:47:10]The defendant filed a motion for the production of witness statements related to direct uh testimony.

[00:47:17]Looks like the state does not oppose that. Is that am I right about that?

[00:47:21]Yes, sir. Even though rule 16 uh sub two does not require it, the state does not oppose that, Mr. Huffman. If you would like to direct it over there direct that by consent. Yes, sir.

[00:47:50]Motion for records of conviction.

[00:47:55]And as I understand it the state does not oppose providing a copy of the of records of Mr. Drummond of his prior convictions, but it is opposed as to witnesses. Is that a fair way to summarize your position?

[00:48:12]Is there Is there any um Mr. Huffman, is there any authority for me to order the state to provide you with conviction records for witnesses?

[00:48:23]Does not until they That same 34 relevant to cross-examination. This is a motion to see that information early. Uh just to make it not apply in trial.

[00:48:37]Who's saying that?

[00:48:48]The defendant wants to say in the I don't think that changes the state's duty. Rule 60 does not mandate I think the as I pointed out in our response the state's upper part CP advanced 26 available.

[00:49:02]It's public records that I have as much access to as we do. So I'm taking that taking that just because of my taking the same I didn't have to turn over a position.

[00:49:11]I What you're talking about usually applies to witness statements which will be available after after their testimony. However, the uh the state is going to provide those at a trial rather than after witness has testified.

[00:49:32]I don't I don't think I don't think the state is obligated to provide a definitive copies of the arrest records or conviction records of of state witnesses.

[00:49:47]So, the motion is going to be granted by consent as to the defendants.

[00:49:54]Denied as to uh statement of the situation.

[00:50:00]Okay, we do.

[00:50:11]Defendants filed a motion for hearing on prior convictions and bad acts. If the state does not oppose the motion, court is going to grant the motion and comply with the procedure set out in the rules of evidence.

[00:50:23]Rule 404 and 611, 609. We'll look at all of that.

[00:50:28]Jury out. Yes. As it as it presents itself. Okay. Yes. Okay.

[00:50:36]I prefer the substance.

[00:50:46]Defendants filed a motion to uh for permission to file additional motions.

[00:50:51]That is unopposed. The court will set a a hearing schedule with a motion filing deadline each time. I'm not going to I'm not going to cut you off until everybody feels reasonably confident that they've exhausted the motion pre-trial motions that need to be filed. Yes, that that was my point.

[00:51:12]Right. [clears throat] Right. I agree. I just wanted to address it that I I would like an order I would like an order down so that it's clear.

[00:51:21]The court's taking it down.

[00:51:23]Defendants filed a motion to suppress uh statements. And I understand that that's probably just a preliminary filing to protect the issue. Yes. At this time at this time are there are there any statements of the defendant that um need to need to be heard and considered by the court under this under this motion.

[00:51:51]Not at this time, Judge.

[00:51:53]I I will discuss that with her.

[00:51:57]I don't anticipate that that being an issue, but there may be something.

[00:52:01]I understand.

[00:52:03]>> [clears throat] >> I just can't rule on a statement that I don't have. You know that's that's What's the best way to leave that?

[00:52:15]You heard?

[00:52:18]Well, if that that would be an issue, then I would suggest that we need to file another motion anyway.

[00:52:26]Over there smiling.

[00:52:28]Just smiling away.

[00:52:30]But then whenever he's whenever the like judge is talking to him, he's like Yeah. Yes, sir. Like he's all meek, mild. I don't I don't know. I buy his little bit of him coming out, I guess.

[00:52:44]Well, there could have been this motion to say, "Okay, now we've got it we've got the statement of this nature that needs to be needs to be And and that's what I anticipated doing then. Okay.

[00:52:58]Let's Yeah, let's do it in order. Let's do it in order which you're referring the motion to suppress the statements.

[00:53:15]Defendant has filed a motion to reveal any agreements with state witnesses and state does not oppose it. And and my my notes indicate that there are no agreements that have been revealed or to be revealed. I see in the state that they don't oppose the motion. So, would would reveal any agreements made with state witnesses. So, let's have an order, Mr. Huffman, shall we on that motion is granted.

[00:53:55]>> If he has filed a motion for a change of venue in this case, the state does not oppose that motion.

[00:54:06]The court denies the right of motion.

[00:54:10]No alternate venue has been selected.

[00:54:16]I'm open to suggestions about that.

[00:54:22]With with the underlying why this would be the place to do it.

[00:54:28]I think that that for this particular case Dyer County as the other county in this district is probably not the appropriate place to try uh to uh conduct the trial. So, I think we've got to go a little bit farther out there.

[00:54:47]If you know what I'm talking about, we're commencing trial with the government.

[00:54:51]Uh has another case that's going to be tried July 23rd and 24th in Carroll County.

[00:54:57]Uh we'll find out pretty quickly whether whether it would And that may prevent us from being there for this particular matter.

[00:55:06]Does the court wish to be heard on and give me your thoughts as you today or you want additional like later on?

[00:55:13]I'd be I'd be I'd be obliged just to get a brief statement, a memorandum, letter, I don't care what it is from both sides about where the appropriate where the appropriate venue would be.

[00:55:24]Yes, I I've looked at a lot of those in our several counties uh that would be suitable for this.

[00:55:31]I don't I don't mean to I don't mean to be smart, but if you'll if you'll tell me directly Oh, yes, sir.

[00:55:38]Well, I have to see it on the news, you know. Absolutely.

[00:55:42]Where you want to go? I was in the metropolitan has a suggestion.

[00:55:52]Yeah, I'm here.

[00:56:29]Got you. My concern is the Memphis media market and Jackson media market That's why I was saying Yes, you can have four counties.

[00:56:44]40 seconds. It's going to be Where are you talking? It's Gibson County.

[00:56:49]Gibson County. I thought I thought you said Gibson. Gibson. Oh, okay. That's how you say Gibson.

[00:56:55]Uh Thank you.

[00:56:57]I like that Gibson County might not work.

[00:56:59]Uh but we would suggest we would suggest probably something closer to Tennessee.

[00:57:03]Anything that gets us out of Shelby County, uh Jackson area extensive media coverage.

[00:57:11]Uh and looking at the population uh for the net qualified by the area from, uh you're going to need a significant population there.

[00:57:21]Uh and so four primary counties that I was looking at is Knox, Hamilton, Shelby, and Davidson with the understanding that Shelby County, it is the largest county in Tennessee. So, we've got a significant in the area to select from.

[00:57:36]Uh but if they determine that would be immediate outcome.

[00:57:40]So top four that we would be suggesting would be my town of Shelby County.

[00:57:46]Have we considered That would also be uh within that realm.

[00:57:57]So if within what I consider the total Yeah, total so I can consider the areas cuz I don't know. Right. But I have thought about and state law says any of those with the exception of Shelby County.

[00:58:10]It is object Shelby County just because of the media has gotten so much coverage on this and working so hard on it.

[00:58:18]Can we get a jury pool?

[00:58:21]And I and I can understand that.

[00:58:23]If you force it in Shelby, it might travel easier for you, wouldn't it?

[00:58:26]Well, that's how it is. Sure would. Um I've tried a lot of cases in Shelby County.

[00:58:33]And they're usually two or three years, two years after the fact like the guy who ran around all over Memphis killing and shooting people all day and closed the city down.

[00:58:42]The time they were around the big jury, nobody remembered it.

[00:58:45]Um Memphis has a really short memory of the crime because they have so much hate to say on file.

[00:58:52]But we would still effectively pick a jury from there if we had to. It would just be an issue of getting someone to show up.

[00:59:02]Would you be a Would you be a full room with a baby pool? Oh, yes, [clears throat] we have We have 10 to 12 judges. Uh I'm sure that there are plenty of judges there who would love to take a holiday.

[00:59:13]And what you have in corporate is also um four rooms and other buildings that would be used for the circuit court buildings.

[00:59:22]Which would be uh set up to have a jury trial it's the street.

[00:59:27]Um [snorts] but we will not have any trouble getting getting somebody down there to help them with their shoes and all that.

[00:59:33]So And and jury the jury the jury is >> [cough] >> almost always It's almost always Jury a jury veneer there is almost always available. It's almost always available. And because of our jury commissioner, they're very good about it. They bring in 300 in one day.

[00:59:55]Uh what they do what we do is we actually go and get our own separate veneer, bring them in. We do it earlier. We're doing jury questionnaires.

[01:00:04]Bring them in about a month earlier.

[01:00:07]And then those people would be sequestered off for the normal 300 individuals tomorrow.

[01:00:14]So we wouldn't be competing with them in the trials tomorrow. Right.

[01:00:18]All right. Thank you, sir.

[01:00:22]You finished with that, Mr. Judge? Do you have any questions about it?

[01:00:26]We got what you all want on the passage back up there.

[01:00:39]Does anybody else flashing?

[01:00:41]Okay, it stopped flashing.

[01:00:45]Okay, am I unmuted now?

[01:00:47]Okay.

[01:00:48]Did you could see this flashing?

[01:00:51]That was giving me a Oh, wait. Now it's doing it again.

[01:00:58]Okay, I don't know. That was weird.

[01:00:59]Okay.

[01:01:04]If there are any requests for speedy trial on behalf of the defendant, as well the court will set the matter for trial at the first available opportunity to do so.

[01:01:14]Cases of this kind take and they move at a slower pace than anybody thinks they're going to. They demand an inordinate amount of time in order to get ready for the actual trial and [snorts] given the fact that we're going to be moving to a different county uh it's it's going to be sub- subject to uh scheduling and and wherever whatever venue we wind up with court. It's a court in Chambers and set this matter uh at the first of April the opportunity we can and the court is going to be very uh aggressive about enforcing deadlines there in Pope so that we can get this case tried.

[01:02:06]Uh the interest of the defendant, the public, uh the victims in this matter, their families are in reach a conclusion uh at the first opportunity we can. That's what I'm doing today.

[01:02:28]Sir, I have a question about the protective order.

[01:02:32]No, we're not there yet.

[01:02:34]Okay, I'll come back to you in a moment.

[01:02:46]There was a motion filed to enforce statutory review requirements and to remand the defendant the defendant to the custody uh of the local uh jail. We're going to let's go ahead and take that matter with the question.

[01:03:03]There my sheriff can take the chair while she's up.

[01:03:06]Yes, sir.

[01:03:07]So, back before it was relevant set to BDC uh the court had a hearing on the requirements on the collection. I if the local jail is insufficient to be able to house him from the corporate order. That's why he's sitting in jail right now. However, the statute requires the court to review that every 30 days uh to determine if it's still the same thing that uh no any local county jail uh is insufficient to house Mr. Bradford pre-trial. He's obviously a pre-trial detainee. Should be normal course of business would be to have him uh housed in the local county jail.

[01:03:48]Yeah, of course. But that ship has sailed. And so I'm happy to do the Section 20 requirement. Well, the court is required to look at that to determine if there is still insufficient uh local jails. And the court only heard Well, she was not mine uh my case. It was in the other Mr. Bradford's case.

[01:04:06]Uh the court only heard from Obion and Lake County and I think Hardeman.

[01:04:12]But there's a whole bunch of other local jails in West Tennessee that would be more than sufficient.

[01:04:18]Uh and the court needs to hear what the state has done to look at what it's defining as sufficient jail, not an inconvenient jail. It might be inconvenient for a jail to house him.

[01:04:29]Uh but of course, if they just love us that they house Davis criminal all the time and he's not going to be sitting all the time.

[01:04:36]Uh the court needs to look at whether or not there is a sufficient jail in anywhere in West Tennessee, not just TCI and not just Hardeman. Just Lake and Obion but that's going down 51. You got Lauderdale, Tipton, Shelby County, 201.

[01:04:51]Obviously, Halls is very dangerous.

[01:04:54]They would be sufficient.

[01:04:55]Uh but there's a whole bunch of jails that are available uh that were not considered at that Does the defendant have information, specific information that would have court make finding?

[01:05:07]I'm not sure what court's looking for. I mean It's your motion. I I understand, Judge. Uh but the court's required to hear from the local jail what what efforts did the government make to find a sufficient jail?

[01:05:24]And just because he's in custody now does not mean that he is not required not uh cannot be remanded to a sufficient jail.

[01:05:31]And again, you know, inconvenience for the jail is not something that is in this standard. The standard is whether or not it's insufficient.

[01:05:41]Well, it sounds like under your under your theory of this thing, the court's required to have a completely new hearing every 30 days. That's right. To decide whether or not there is a local jail. That's right. But you you asked for that review under 414121.

[01:05:57]Yes. Yes.

[01:05:58]Okay. So, that statute says an order issued under this section shall be reviewed by the issuing court at least once every 30 days. In conducting the review, the court shall determine whether the order needs to remain in place, be terminated, or be modified to place conditions on the order.

[01:06:19]Now, here's the part I'm really interested in. In evaluating whether the order needs to remain in place, the court shall consider the jail or juvenile detention facility's obligations relative to the use of restrictive housing. That's what I'm required to review. Yes.

[01:06:40]If the order is terminated, the prisoner shall be returned to the county jail.

[01:06:46]Juvenile detention facility doesn't apply because he's not a juvenile.

[01:06:51]Shall be returned to the county jail.

[01:06:55]So, what do you think that tells me I've got to do? Do you think I need to take a survey of jails throughout West Tennessee to determine whether or not there is a jail that can house the defendant? I mean, that's I'm not sure there'd be a survey or second or third degree.

[01:07:10]No, I don't think they I don't think it You know, you guys you know, I just I wrote Yes.

[01:07:16]But in the state's motion they presented testimony that uh that he was getting disciplinary issues uh but again, matter of convenience is not not standing.

[01:07:30]Nobody wants to pick up Austin Drummond's shit. I'm sorry, I'll say it.

[01:07:34]No one wants to do it. He throws feces up the freaking wall and no.

[01:07:39]And continuing to do do the conditions still exist today in Lake County do the conditions still exist today in Obion County Obion County neither local jails especially uh within this district?

[01:07:51]Well, to that end, if do are you do you have any information that the Lake County jail or the Obion County jail are better suited to house Mr. Drummond than they were when your order was initially issued? Well, it was stipulated that Lake County would not be able it's it's small and given the uh issues that have come up already, I don't think that Lake County would necessarily be a suffice sufficient Uh Obion County testified that they did manage uh and he was causing problems but I don't know if those conditions still exist at the Obion County.

[01:08:28]The sheriff is here to testify uh but as far as that's concerned May I know what the state's The state's Okay.

[01:08:34]Yes. Okay, he is here.

[01:08:36]Obion County Sheriff as well. I'm not Well, your order was affirmed by the court of criminal appeals.

[01:08:43]So, you mean judge? Yeah, the court Oh, yes. Yes. It was affirmed by the court of criminal appeals. Yes.

[01:08:49]And and and it remains in force. Yes.

[01:08:52]And and I'm not suggesting that it was necessarily wrong at that time. But under the statute whereas [clears throat] attorney opposed conditions still exist today.

[01:09:01]Thank you very much.

[01:09:08]>> Yeah, first of all, on the issue of the 30-day review this is not part of the case to be reviewed in that court. He was not transferred to safe keeping in TLC for the case that we're here for today. He was transferred over to number 23C0110915 and 24C011036.

[01:09:32]And those are two separate cases that are heard while he's in the Department of Corrections.

[01:09:36]So, those are actually cases that require the review of the case today.

[01:09:40]Um and in addition to that, the My concern with this is there is a This motion is going to be remanded to the local jail.

[01:09:54]The problem I see with that is the only jail that is required to hold him in the local jail for that case.

[01:10:00]I don't think the court has the authority or me or anyone to order another jail that is outside of this county to hold an inmate.

[01:10:09]Uh it's not their obligation. It's not their responsibility.

[01:10:12]So, if court granted this, I think the only one that the court would order to hold him would be the Lake County Jail.

[01:10:19]And it's obvious that jail is not sufficient. The defense even even brings that jail is not sufficient.

[01:10:26]Um we've already heard from Orion County and Dyer County and not their willingness to hold him. I actually had them here again today.

[01:10:34]Their testimony would basically be the same as it was in the previous hearing.

[01:10:38]So, I'm happy to put them on, but I think it would be repetitive as the court already heard.

[01:10:44]So, I I think that is the the major issue.

[01:10:48]In addition to that, um Mr. Drummond has continued, as I stated previously, to have issues either he's in Department of Corrections or the safety jail.

[01:11:03]And we have And we have certified documents that show the disciplinary that he's had since he's been in the Department of Corrections.

[01:11:14]So, if there are issues there, uh >> [cough and clears throat] >> who is the the best person equipped to deal with him?

[01:11:22]There's obviously going to be more serious issues most likely.

[01:11:26]So, based on that, we we think that appropriate means to maintain where he is, the motion should be denied.

[01:11:33]When I When I look at at I used 41-4-121 on Mr. Huffman, and I feel like I need >> [cough] >> in terms of being complete, it's uh A2, subsection A2, [clears throat] in all cases where it is shown to the committing court, I guess that's applicable. Yes.

[01:11:54]That the jail of the county in which the commitment should be made is insufficient for safekeeping of the prisoner, the court may order commitment of the prisoner to the nearest sufficient county jail. I think it is within the authority of the court to require uh another county as counterintuitive as that may seem, and that is what the legislature said. Yes, I understand.

[01:12:17]>> [cough] >> So, I think I've got that, but that does not That That's a That's a far cry from is that is this the appropriate place to So, I want to hear your approach today uh on the issue of there. Yes. Uh General Counsel >> had a stipulation that Lake County prior to the adoption of this law is not sufficient Enough calls Sheriff Jeff Box.

[01:12:50]I'm not sure.

[01:12:57]>> [clears throat] >> Raise your right hand, sir.

[01:13:02]Do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give in this case to be the truth, the whole truth I do.

[01:13:07]Would you state your name, please?

[01:13:09]Jeff Box.

[01:13:11]Sheriff Box, where which county are you the sheriff for? Dyer County. And as the as sheriff of Dyer County, do you also maintain the jail?

[01:13:20]Approximately how many inmates how many beds do you have at that facility?

[01:13:25]We have 236 total, two buildings.

[01:13:28]And how many jailers work at your jail? There's 23 I don't And do you have a a pod cells that are designed to hold maximum security prisoners? I do.

[01:13:50]And are you familiar with the case involving Officer Brown? Yes, I am.

[01:13:57]Has he been held in your jail previously?

[01:14:02]I believe I believe he may have.

[01:14:05]I'm not sure.

[01:14:07]Do you feel that your jail is sufficient to house Officer Brown?

[01:14:12]Uh generally, we're at 103% capacity.

[01:14:15]We have 245 inmates today uh with a 236 capacity. Uh you can't you can't segregate properly once you get above 85% capacity because a lot of these cells and pods they have 10 to 12 people in them.

[01:14:34]They're all not actually segregation pods. And most of those are full with mental health patients and other offenders. Plus, also I have uh um one victim step further most of the time. incarcerated at this time there, too.

[01:14:52]>> [clears throat] >> And so, would it be fair to say that that person Gerald would not be compatible in that jail?

[01:14:59]That they wouldn't be compatible at all.

[01:15:02]So, based on that information, do you think that you have the appropriate facilities to be able to handle Mr. Gerald? No, sir. No, I'm under a plan of action due to overcrowding at this time in the state of Tennessee.

[01:15:13]And we're building additional cells at this time, so it it would not be fruitful for at all for me to take a prisoner on a secondary charge when the primary charge was still over here in our county.

[01:15:25]Do you have any questions? No questions.

[01:15:27]I should have asked that.

[01:15:29]Thank you. You're free to go, man. We're stopping.

[01:15:32]Yeah, I'm sorry, sir. Oh, Sheriff Jackson.

[01:15:44]Okay, I'm going to stop them there cuz it's like 2 hours, so I want to make sure we can watch like all of it.

[01:15:49]Um into two streams, if that's okay with you guys, cuz it is we're at like an hour and 15 hour and 16 minutes here, over about that. And plus I have to talk to you about a couple other case updates before we um jump off. But um I am going to come back on I think I'm going to come back on and do an earlier earlier afternoon live tomorrow. I know I say that I'm going to be doing afternoon lives all the time, but I do want to come on in the afternoon because um it's just I don't know.

[01:16:21]It's the vibe is there to do it. I use cuz I usually I'm up anyway. I'm up at like I usually get up between like 8 8 8:30 and I'm at the gym by 9:00, and then I'm home. So, I'm just kind of like let's just do a live. Um so, hey Happy Cappy.

[01:16:39]But I just I don't think any of these jails are going to want Austin Drummond in their facility based on the fact that he likes to throw crap around.

[01:16:49]He likes to He doesn't really like to follow the rules.

[01:16:53]He doesn't like to do any of those things. So, it's very very very weird. But, um yeah, just like I can't I have to get my beauty sleep, you know, so I can get up early.

[01:17:05]If I don't get my beauty sleep, I'm cranky in the mornings, I'm going to tell you.

[01:17:09]Um but, yeah, all uh I'll schedule it either tonight or I'll probably schedule it in the morning.

[01:17:15]Okay, so, the two updates I do have and we'll go deeper into the these updates um on another live, but Caleb Flynn and Michael McKee um both have new trial dates. They both knew have dates in general for um hearings because they both gave up their right to a speedy trial.

[01:17:40]So, what that means in YouTube court jargon land, we are going to be hanging out for a while before these cases probably go to a trial um which I knew that was going to happen, but then again, I was kind of hoping, you know, that Michael McKee would have like a big head or Caleb would have a big head and they'd be like, "Let's go now." and you know, we'd be able to do that. So, um but, I did I do know that Michael McKee's next hearing was supposed to be on June 7th.

[01:18:13]June 17th, yeah.

[01:18:15]Um but, I do know that Caleb Flynn's new trial date is September 17th.

[01:18:22]So.

[01:18:24]Yeah, I think they even said that like one of those trials was in July.

[01:18:29]What if they'll They probably won't stream it.

[01:18:39]I was reading the chat.

[01:18:41]Yeah, I I don't know. I guess it depends on where you're you are in Ohio for pre-trial jails. I think every jail in Ohio is probably junk.

[01:18:52]Personally, woof, you know.

[01:18:55]Yeah, they're going to drag it out.

[01:18:57]They are.

[01:18:59]So, I'm the local news. Well, that'll be good then.

[01:19:03]That'll be good. Um so we can get the updates, too, cuz I want to I want to know the updates. I mean, the can't you know, the the Kansas mom's case, that was really hard to get updates because it's like five different defendants and you have to go in through different case numbers to get, you know, the documents and things like that, but um they're all almost sentenced at this point, too, so we're just moving right along.

[01:19:26]But I did um we did get some stuff set up today for the the other setup as well. We got my other you can't see back there. I don't know why I'm even pointing, but there's right here in this this section there's a computer.

[01:19:41]Um and all the stuff is there to to um to do those pre-recorded stuff I've been talking about. Now, I think the first one I'm going to put out is going to just going to be like a 10-minute one, um something that's easy to edit, you know.

[01:19:54]So, just yeah, just be easy on me. Just be Just watch them and be easy on me. If you haven't subscribed to the channel yet, subscribe to the channel. We're trying to hit 25,000 subscribers. And you know what I thought? I'm one of those people like I um I work like I work hard, but I'll work even harder when there's an incentive.

[01:20:16]So, I'm making Vincent an incentive I think. Thanks.

[01:20:20]So, we want to hit 25,000 subscribers.

[01:20:26]Yeah.

[01:20:27]Yeah, that's fine.

[01:20:30]Yeah, whatever you want to do, Ellis.

[01:20:32]Um and check my emails here tomorrow tomorrow morning.

[01:20:38]Does rain in your door?

[01:20:42]Oh, just about ran into it. Oh, I was like, oh man, I ain't good.

[01:20:45]I don't think my cat the kitten would. Now, she's ruthless.

[01:20:50]That That little Tessie, she's she's ruthless, I'll tell you what.

[01:20:55]She's crazy. I mean, she's a crazy little kitten.

[01:20:57]She comes out of nowhere. She's hunting me.

[01:21:02]I was in the other bathroom and I'm using the bathroom, just just, you know, 30 seconds, that's all I needed. But she, of course, I didn't realize she was in there. She was in there and she was in the shower curtain.

[01:21:15]So, all of a sudden, I'm just sitting there and I just get the the double tap.

[01:21:20]Like she punched me twice, like boom, boom. In my arm, I screamed and then I laughed cuz like it scared me. But then I laughed so hard I was like, this cat.

[01:21:30]It's just like, I have a kid. She literally is. She was trying to put her hand down the drain the other night.

[01:21:37]Like she saw something go I I put water all bubbles down the drain. She loves bubbles. She was going to go after the bubbles, so I had to put the thing in there, the little I'm like, you're going to get yourself hurt.

[01:21:49]I swear. That little Tessie Betsy, hm.

[01:21:54]All things, Willows. I appreciate that so much.

[01:21:59]Well, thank you. She is a kitten, let me tell you what.

[01:22:04]She gets me.

[01:22:06]She's actually been laying on me more. I think it's so cute when she lay She lays like right here on my chest.

[01:22:12]And then she'll pop Oh, are you cute? And then Rocky come out of nowhere.

[01:22:17]She's giving him young.

[01:22:20]Thank you guys for being here. I appreciate it.

[01:22:23]Um Yeah, Um, make sure you come back tomorrow. I'll be here for a live. I'll schedule um I'll schedule it. Yeah, of course you guys will get the no- You guys should get the notifications. Sorry, if [clears throat] they're not, I'll put it on the community tab.

[01:22:38]And I'm trying to think of anything else. I think that's all I have for you.

[01:22:41]I'm going to go get into bed. So that way I can wake up early, get to the gym, do my morning thing, and then come hang out with y'all.

[01:22:48]So, I'll see you guys all tomorrow. Have a wonderful evening, and uh be safe, and uh Yeah, I think that's all I got for you.

[01:22:56]Have a good night. Bye, guys.

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