This fan’s narrative is a textbook example of externalizing failure, where tribal loyalty transforms objective underperformance into a comforting delusion of systemic persecution. It is a fascinating case study in how deep emotional investment can completely override logical reasoning in modern sports culture.
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"YOU JUST HAVE TO WATCH IT!" Spurs fan CONVINCED there's a CONSPIRACY to get them RELEGATED!Added:
at Tottenham were denied a penalty in the 103rd minute against Leads United last night after James Madison thought he was fouled by Lucas Nementia in the area. The game finished one all which means they're just two points clear of the relegation zone. John the Tottenham fan called up the boys on the sports bar afterwards and he had a theory as to why a penalty wasn't given.
>> I think there's a massive agenda for Tottenham to get re relegated. I think >> what are you on about? They are. They >> What do you want about a massive agenda?
>> Listen to me. Listen to me. I think they want a massive change up in the in the Premier League. I think they don't want City to win the league again. They, you know, they they want someone different.
I want Arsenal in the league. I think they want >> Tottenham to get relegated. That's that's a pen all day long at the end of that.
>> It's not a pen.
>> It is. Come on. You think it's a pen or not?
>> No, it's not a pen, mate.
>> Gets the ball.
>> It's amazing. It's amazing that, isn't it? by the power of football. Firstly, Benty, >> do you think it was a penalty?
>> No, I thought he won the ball. He got he got a toe on the ball. So, I think it was it was a I would say it's clear, but I think they came to the right decision, but you know, it's amazing. Football could do mad things. And when you look at what happened on Sunday with the Arsenal game, the V. I was amazed in the Spurs game how quickly they came to that decision. I was expecting >> Yeah. Yeah. Another 10 minute wait or whatever.
>> 100%. But because of what the kind of outlaw like it wasn't clear and obvious, look how long it took. It took 5 minutes. the fact that they um came to that decision so quickly. I was like, "Oh." But no, I think it was the right decision. He got the ball.
>> Yeah. There seems to be this thing though, and I think a lot of fans do it.
This isn't applicable to any club more than any other, that people genuinely believe that there is a conspiracy against the club that they support.
>> Yeah, of course. Like it goes across the board.
>> Yeah. Like people actually think that there is a conspiracy. Firstly, do you do you do that? Do you believe it at all? Do you think that there's anything like that?
>> No. But Joe, I've seen it from both sides, right? though as a a ex player there was a time where you'd go to top clubs and they'd get before VA they'd get all the decisions. She'd go, do you know what? Honestly, go to Old Trafford, go to Stanford Bridge, go to the Emirates or Hibbury. These get all the decisions Anfield like. So, you'd think there was an agenda that you'd go, they just want them to win. As a fan though, I think every supporter at some stage when they come to supporting their club will always say, "There's an agenda against my club." Like, cuz every single football supporter, I believe, can go back to various decisions that have gone against their club at certain times and go like me being an Arsenal fan, I can go back to the the Newcastle game. Did the ball go out of play? Did it not? the Gordon one. There was one against Brenford where they forgot to check if Antonio was offside. Robin van Percy, the one that always springs to mind for me with Arsenal, Robin Van Persie at the new camp.
>> I think that was a moment where Barcelona kind of felt like the Darlings of Europe >> and Arsenal had a man sent off that was completely like draconian extreme decision from the ref.
>> Yeah.
>> I think in that kind of moment like I've I consider myself I know people disagree this but I consider myself to be quite rational.
It's amazing. It's amazing how people see themselves. It's amazing. I'm 6'4 with a six-pack and all.
>> No, you know that kind of I genuinely do. I think I'm quite rational, but I've had a moment of this. I've done it once where I was like there is a greater power pulling the strings. You know when I start going they want this. And if you ask me who are the they don't know >> but you know you know when Barcelona beat us that's robbery.
>> I truly believe that there was like something else bigger going on. I >> you should have had two pens. You >> we should have had two penalties at least. I think you could have easily argued a third one. I think you could have argued a Barcelona play could have been sent off. There was so much in that game with a game where ultimately called the referee a disgrace.
>> Yeah, >> that was the only time where I've ever got myself kind of bogged down into the conspiracy angle.
>> But um but yeah, I think we all have our moments.
>> Oh yeah. All football like West Ham fans will generally after Sunday will go they've got it in for us.
>> Yeah. How how have we not got that decision? They want us to go down. They obviously want what it will be is there'll be that big six bias, won't there? Yeah. So you'll get some people going see they want Spurs they want Spurs at the end of the division.
>> You know you know what's so easy to combat that? You know people go well Manchester United barely ever gave away a penalty at Old Trafford when Fergie was. It's like yeah because the game was being played in the opposition box. They were winning the they were winning the game. It's like very rare that they're going to give a penalty away when they're in possession.
>> But it's fair that it was after back those times it was after get any kind of decision at Old Trafford. My goodness.
Some of the games I've been involved in there. You like what >> really?
>> Yeah. How have you given that?
>> Let's dive let's let's go to the phone lines now. Steve Tottenham fan. Steve, is there a conspiracy against Tottenham Hotspur?
>> I'm pretty sure there is. Yeah, I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist. However, when you look at our form in Europe, which we got through to the last 16.
How? Because we didn't have an English referee.
Have we had a penalty this season? No.
Why? Because we've had English referees.
>> Or is it because you're never really in the box? Never really in the opposition box.
>> All right. Till last night I was there.
I was in the South Stand watching it.
Okay. He maybe got a touch to the ball.
Any other team? Not any other team.
Majority of other teams would have had a penalty when Madison went down.
>> Do you do you honestly think that? So, who do you who do you think is pulling the Let's Let's Let's follow your theory through. I'm going to I'm going to go with you on this.
>> There is a conspiracy against Tottenham Hotspur orchestrated by who? Who's the president of this of this uh company?
I don't think there's a precedent to it.
There does does have to be a precedent to a conspiracy. No, a conspiracy is a thought that people have, right?
>> But orchestrated by who?
>> And well, you just have to watch it.
I've I've been to almost every single game this season. Massive Tottenham fan since ' 67. I followed them. And in the crowd, we're watching the game. If there's a a decision, a split decision, we all turn around to each other and say, "Nah, we ain't getting that." Why?
So, because we know the referees, for some reason, I can't tell you why, but we never ever get a 50/50 decision.
>> Jot though, what what I will say, and someone's made a really good point here, the referee last night was Australian.
>> All right. But is he an English referee?
No, that's referee. But my point is Yeah, but you didn't get you didn't get the penalty and he's not English. He's Australian.
>> All right, but he's he's refereeing in England.
>> Was that was that what I mean? What was happening?
>> So, when you're playing in Europe, the referee's refereeing in England. If he's if you're if you're at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.
>> Yeah. Well, when we were in Europe, we didn't have an English or somebody that was English ref an English referee, whether he's Australian, German, Chinese, it don't matter.
>> I don't understand, Roy. Look, I get I get what Steve saying, but what I don't understand is is why he would think that why. First of all, Spurs as a commercial brand is huge, right, around the world.
So, surely the for the Premier League as a global kind of product, you want the best pieces in in in your in your in your stable.
>> Yeah. It's not beneficial. It's not beneficial to the Premier League.
>> No. No. No.
>> So, why would they want him to go?
>> No. I I agree with you completely, Darren. Let's go back to the phone lines now. Let's speak to Scott, a West Ham fan. Scott, is there a conspiracy against West Ham United?
>> Absolutely not.
>> There we go. There we go. Russian rational.
>> Good evening. Good evening, Darren. Good evening, Rory. Rory, you did make me laugh saying you're rational. Um, you know, I'm not being funny. Look, listen. What I will say is you've massively improved since your Erling Harwood Erling Harland Darwin News.
>> I forgot about that shout.
>> That's not even my worst shout.
>> Is that not your worst shout? Well, bloody hell. Can't wait to hear that worst one. Um, no. Listen, if there is a conspiracy against Tottenham, then obviously our goal is given against Arsenal, isn't it? You know, let's get Tottenham down. The only reason why the whole country, and I do mean I live up north, yeah, I live in Macklesfield.
They've got no um you know, a reason for no one likes Tottenham. They want them down because of fans like last night and the guy who was just on the phone.
>> So you think that there is a slight conspiracy against Tottenham?
>> Not not not from the Premier League or from the Well, if there is, good. GET RID OF THEM.
>> IT'S AN OPEN CONSPIRACY.
>> Not a conspiracy from the Premier League and and the the governing bodies, right?
But I think from rival fans, course there is.
>> Yeah, >> there's going to be.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think look, rival fans naturally want naturally want Tottenham to go down because it's a story. But the reason that we want them down is because we recognize the size of the club, the size of the support, the history of the club. So yeah, it's it's a story if they go >> and you and you never ever thought that it was possible that they'd go.
>> No, no, no, no. Far far from it. So no, it is it is amazing. It's uh I find it fascinating how people genuinely believe that their club are the only club that are victims.
>> You know, it's like it's passion, isn't it? you all of a sudden when after an emotional game or decision and you're not thinking straight, you think the world's against us.
>> Yeah, I do I do think that it uh that it can go that way.
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