"Pride IS Political!" - Harry Miller WINS Fight to STOP Police Decorating Uniforms in Pride colours

Added: 2026-05-09

[00:00:00]Um, let's talk to Harry Miller who is here. Uh, he's a defender of free speech. He's a former police officer, of course, and a man very close to our heart. Sorry to keep you waiting, Harry.

[00:00:09]I can't shut up when he gets in. Enjoy the conversation >> once he's once he's on one. You know what I mean? Um, how are you, sir?

[00:00:16]>> Yeah. No, I'm I'm very very well, mate.

[00:00:18]Actually, you know, we've had some since we last spoke, we've had some great and mighty victories. Um, the IOPC if I don't know if you remember, but uh was it last year? Yeah, last year we took North Umbrea uh police to the high courts because of their love of marching in pride and we we we got it ruled that police officers marching in pride uh was not right. It was unlawful because pride whatever you think of it it's political.

[00:00:44]Now the place the one place that you would hope um would be right bang on the law would be the independent office of police complaints. So that that's where you would go if you discovered that your local police force were defying the high court and actually marching in pride.

[00:01:02]One of the places you would go to is the IOPC to say, "Hey, up, these people are disobeying the law. What are you now going to do about it?" Because it's your job to enforce the law on these police forces. Well, the IOP decided themselves that they were going to ignore the high court themselves, that they were going to march in pride regardless. Um, so we threatened them with a high court. We learned just last week that they've thrown their hands up in surrender. They white flag and we're claiming the victory. So that's fantastic news.

[00:01:33]>> That's that is brilliant news and and and you you guys are getting very good at this. Does that also mean that they're not allowed to paint their police cars in pride colors? Rainbow.

[00:01:41]>> Absolutely. If you paint your police car in pride colors, if you wear so much as a rainbow flag on your epolet, you are now declaring yourselves to be political, which is which is what we've been saying all along. And the high court have ruled that you cannot be involved in pride politics. So, rainbow cars, marching with pride, it's all of it. All of it is gone. The amazing thing last year, sorry, it was two years ago when we caught North Umbrea um marching in pride, I had to go in disguise. I dressed up as a raging transvestite uh and and my friend Lindsay Smith, the girl who was banned from Newcastle United for saying that she was gay, not queer.

[00:02:26]>> Yes.

[00:02:27]>> She she dressed up as a hot dog and we marched right alongside the chief constable. I mean, literally alongside Chief Constable shouting death to turfs, death to turfs. And uh she had no idea.

[00:02:40]She had no idea until we sort of revealed ourselves at the very end and she was shocked and mortified and we took her to court. So there we go. But the other horrible thing about that particular march is this that not only was she marching waving the flags of the trans cause but just in front of her there were people shouting waving Palestinian flags shouting from the river to the sea and globalize the intera marching in that march. Um so anyway we put a stop to it. Uh the high court have agreed with us that wherever you sit on the political spectrum on agenda issues, pride is without a shadow of a doubt political and therefore the police cannot be involved in it at all. They cannot wear the colors. They cannot have the flags. They cannot place the police cars. They cannot chant the slogans.

[00:03:27]They can do none of it at all. So that's fantastic. And now the independent office of police complaints has finally thrown their hands up in surrender and agreed that they too uh will follow the law. So, hallelujah for that.

[00:03:40]>> That's brilliant. But isn't it funny, Harry, that you would have to go to court to make the police actually not do that? Because what on earth did they think they were thinking in the first place to even assume that people would support them? I mean, there's that famous piece of footage. We probably can't find it as we speak, but a famous piece of footage of the copper is in some there's some pride march going on and he's got the whistle in his and he's going up to people and sort of trying to trying to pretend he's like a clown. You remember that?

[00:04:09]>> Yeah. When when someone says no thank you. Yeah. He's trying to paint things on their face.

[00:04:13]>> Goes sad face. He does a sad face. I don't know if you've seen it, Kelvin. There's a there's an incredible >> I I must say I slightly disagree with it. I remember being in Mar and I I don't know what we just happened to be there me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me and my then wife and we were >> which wife was that don't worry don't worry about detail it's all right for him to tell me that you know I've got a drink problem you know you got a wife problem you know I've got I've got I've got a divorce problem I do know that but anyway uh so I actually quite enjoyed so there was a as you might expect there's probably one there every 20 minutes there was the gay pride march. I was the only bloke not wearing a pink cowboy hat blowing a whistle. Right. Actually, funnily enough, I quite enjoyed watching it. I quite enjoyed watching and there was no sense of that march and it was in Margate that it was political. I'm not saying it wasn't political. It just in that particular march. So, so my question Harry look a massive admirer of what you do. The idea that single-handedly you are taking down these various issues which aggravate people is fantastic. What what was the what is the proof that the that the the these pride marches are political in the sense when you had to produce evidence?

[00:05:34]What evidence did you have Harry?

[00:05:36]>> Uh pride themselves pride published lots of information that says not only is pride political that pride is a protest.

[00:05:42]It's not a celebration, it's a protest.

[00:05:44]And the literature says that they need to get more political, not less. So, we had no problem at all proving the pride was political. The problem was, was it the right form of politics? Because the chief constable of North Umbrea said, "Well, it may be political, but we don't care because it's progressive. It's the right kind of politics. We're not interested in the police having the right kind of politics." That the code of ethics is very, very particular. It says if anything can remotely be perceived by the reasonable person as being political then it is political. So the the the power lies with the person on the clap and omnibus the reasonable person looking on. If they think this is perhaps a little bit shade political then it is political. That's the standard that the police operate to. Now proving that was easy because all of the pride literature states in loud you know in bold pride is political. So, we just had to enforce that and let the high court see that we weren't making it up.

[00:06:43]We weren't just inferring something that wasn't there, that it was absolutely explicit and all we were asking was for the police to uphold their own code of ethics and the high court sided with us.

[00:06:54]>> Okay. So, can I just ask this then? Uh what do you do do you know why have you had kind of had clever insiders why they've decided that pride can only be of the left rather than be as you might expect you know g being gay is is it's from the left to the right to the center it's it's the whole sexuality I mean we've got loads of gay um supporters on this show I mean a lot a lot of gay because gay people say to me you know everyone assumes we're leftwing when they're not. There's plenty of right-wing gay people.

[00:07:27]>> Why Why does Pry believe Why does Pry believe that they should be do that that it can only be a political movement of the left? What why isn't it a junior?

[00:07:37]I really don't know why they've done that because I have no problem with pride in itself. If you want to march for anything, I don't care providing you're not shouting from the river to the sea and, you know, inciting people to globalize the Inspada. I don't have a problem with you marching, celebrating, painting your face, whatever you like.

[00:07:52]This is a free country and I would have no interest in stopping that. The second it gets political, of course, then I do have an interest because the police that they can be there, they can smile, they can police the protest to make sure that that that that the marchers are able to carry out their protests or their celebration unmolested, but they mustn't pick a side. It's as simple as that.

[00:08:12]Now, quite why this has happened and why these things have become leftwing, I'm not entirely sure. Part of it is because progressive politicians on the left as well as some on the right, particularly on the left, I think I think that this notion of cultural Marxism is actually a thing. When they were una when they were unable to equalize um and redistribute wealth, they thought, "Oh, that's that's not going to work. So, let's redistribute identity. Let's just change Marxism to a redistribution and an equalization of identity." I think that's what's happened, Kelvin, in all honesty.

[00:08:49]>> And that's also I mean, also to draw a comparison, Harry, it was a bit like saying um if you were a police officer and you started taking part in a pro Palestinian march um and waving, you know, a Palestinian flag. Now, I'm sure there would be people that would say to you, "Oh, it's not about politics. It's about human rights or it's about, you know, defending, you know, um a downtrodden people from from, you know, being being massacred." you know, it's not political. Well, it is political.

[00:09:17]Clearly political. It's a left-wing cause. And if and you wouldn't expect the police to be marching around, you know, um wearing Hamas headbands and and and waving Palestinian flags. And and you would object to that in the same way.

[00:09:29]>> I I I I agree. I don't want to see police officers wearing vote reform uh badges. I don't want them wearing uh badges that say change the system or defeat. You know, if you're a police officer, then you have you have an absolute duty not to get involved in politics. You h you can have you know you can express your political view at the ballot box in private. That's absolutely fine. I personally don't have a problem with police officers discussing amongst themselves what their politics are because that's a natural human process or on WhatsApp. But you mustn't bring it to the streets. You mustn't let the general public know what you think. And the standard I think is the standard set by the late queen. We never had a bloody clue what she thought about anything. And that, as far as I'm concerned, is the standard. We need police officers who are politically absolutely vanilla. We have no idea.

[00:10:20]They're nice to everybody. They arrest anybody who's breaking the law. We have no idea, no clue what their political leanings are. That's all we're asking for. Once we get that, you know what, Mike? I'll just say bye-bye and I'll go watch Netflix and cycle the rest of me life. Can I >> You shouldn't have You shouldn't have to specify it, should you? You're a police officer. do your bleeding job, you know, don't start marching about, mincing around, you know, waving rainbow flags.

[00:10:45]Don't >> object to mincing around that reduces the argument in my view. But let me ask let me ask Harry, do you get a lot of information uh do you get a lot of detail from officers uh pointing out to you c can you pursue this issue? We feel uncomfortable uh but there's nothing we can do because if we do we get end up being disciplined or we'll lose promotion uh in in our police force.

[00:11:10]>> Yes. Uh ever since 2019 we've had a steady flow of of officers who get in touch privately to give us information.

[00:11:19]What tends to happen is they will say look there's this lunatic policy come out. We didn't complain about it but you know about it now. So just don't don't say where you got it from. Put in a put in a freedom information request about it. then you you'll get that information and then you can make us think about it and very often what happens is once we approach a police force and say we know you've published this document they will suddenly say oh that was withdrawn yesterday um and so yes we get an awful lot of information in fact it was quite funny when I was arrested back in 2022 for defending the royal green jacket for a post on Facebook >> um they left me in the cells for several hours and then a fresh set of police officers came and interviewed interviewed me at half past midnight before they let me go. And that was interesting because it was such a soft interview that they gave me. I was like, "What's going on here? They're just letting me speak. There's no push back at all." Anyway, when we when we left the interview room and they were taking me back to the cell, the police officer who'd interviewed me looked around nervously and then said, "Harry, keep on doing what you're doing. We're all absolutely massive fans. Is there anything get you from the canteen?" And I said, "Well, a pint would be lovely, so I can't p there's anything else." So we know that that that all that ordinary sensible coppers are massively in in favor of what we do and we give police officers a voice for the things that they cannot say. They know they know that they are being asked to do stuff which is absolutely unreasonable. They know that they just haven't got a voice because the system the system is so bad uh within policing that if you're accused of anything that's your career over for at least a year or two. uh whilst you go through the um the process of professional standards and the the whole thing is just terrible. So I'm I I'm the easy I'm the easy option. You get hold of Ari Miller at Fair Cop or Sarah Filimmore at Fair Cop uh and we creators think about it and very often more often than not we get the result that they want. So, you know, we provide a provide a very cheap service, Mike, >> which is brilliant. And also, the more power to your elbow there is, the better uh that you then succeed in the next case because they they sort of probably when they see you're involved, they probably go, "Oh, criy. Harry Miller's on to us."

[00:13:33]>> Yeah, we've got a reputation now, Mike.

[00:13:35]We've got we've got one hell of a reputation. If if our name's on on on the ticket at all, uh I know for a fact it makes them themselves. uh because we have a reputation of not losing and the reason we don't lose >> I haven't heard that expression on television for a while.

[00:13:51]>> We're asking for the police to obey the bloody law. It's as simple as that.

[00:13:55]>> Simple as that.

[00:13:56]>> Just do what it says on the tin. You know, you're a police officer. Arrest the bad guys. I mean, we were talking last night about it. We had Steven Barrett on the live show and he said, you know, the problem we've got now in this country is that the police basically don't arrest the criminals because it's too it's too difficult, you know. So the guy who's not paying to ride on the tube, the bloke who's shoplifting, you know, the bloke who's nicking your phone, they don't go anywhere near them, but instead they just arrest people who are actually >> No, I do what they do. We need the numbers to go up. Go around and nick Harry Miller again, will you?

[00:14:26]>> Yeah, exactly. Lock him up for a few hours and see what we can get out of him. But listen, Harry, great to see you. You're looking well anyway, thriving obviously. And uh have you been out and voted yet?

[00:14:36]>> No, I haven't yet actually, Mike. In fact, I've forgotten that it was today.

[00:14:38]Thank you for your great show, mate.

[00:14:40]you're providing publicly service cuz I'd forgotten I leave your show, get on my bike and go cycle out and get a big fat breakfast. But go make your star's life of misery. Good to see you. Thanks very much indeed. Harry Miller.