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[00:00:41]was [music] Dear Christ, brotherhood, dear brotherhood, we think with gratitude when we think about the fact that we have the opportunity of brotherhood, we are grateful to the Lord God.

[00:03:40]also for this beautiful weather.

[00:03:44]Thank you for allowing us to gather together.

[00:03:49]Let us be aware that there are brothers and sisters in our congregation who would very much like to be with us, but cannot. And there are many such brothers everywhere. God knows all of them who also do not have this opportunity for brotherly fellowship.

[00:04:04]That is why I think we are all the more grateful that God gave us health, that our legs could bring us here.

[00:04:12]Dear guards, in today 's service, after a long break, we will return to the reflection on the letter to the Hebrews, and in the second part, just as Brother Tomek has already sent a message to the brotherhood, we will continue the lessons from the psalm. We will begin our service with a song and prayer by Brother Luke. Please introduce the singing.

[00:04:41]Song number 348. Lord, your sweet voice draws me. 348. There was no time for greetings yet, but we have already received two songs that will be greetings. among other things, this [music] Lord, your [singing] sweet voice, I draw them to you, I seek your blood of salvation [singing] which flowed for me.

[00:05:30]To you [singing] [music] I hasten, Lord, draw near [singing] [music] to me and [singing] wash me in your blood, [music] which flowed [singing] for me. I am a weak man, you are everything to me. Your blood [music][singing] has washed away my sins, for that I praise you. [singing] You have spoken Your Word [singing] Your holy [music].

[00:06:27]Peace, joy [singing] wedding.

[00:06:33]Now you want to perform [singing][music] my treasures [clearing throat] in me. I would devote myself to the work of your love [music] with all my heart [singing]. Your kindness. [singing] Your spirit declares to us that whoever prays with faith will have all [singing] fulfilled faithfully for [singing] [music] the promises of God.

[00:07:26][music] Hail [singing] Son of God, [music] hail the terrible time in which you shed your saving blood for us and consecrated it [singing] [music] for us.

[00:07:54]We will ask our good father for his blessing, and we will do so in prayer with Sister Emilia Borsuk.

[00:08:03]Lord God, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, in this morning hour we draw near in thought and heart to Thy throne, of great grace, of great mercy, to thank Thee sincerely.

[00:08:28]We thank You for this opportunity to gather together to worship and listen to the word of Your feast. And we especially thank you for your Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In this most precious name of Jesus we meet to reflect and be nourished by your holy word.

[00:08:55]Lord God, give us strength, give us desire, give us courage and love, so that we can bear all this patiently, without getting cold and without complaining.

[00:09:14]We entrust all matters and ourselves to your care. We strongly trust and believe that You will never abandon us.

[00:09:22]We apologize for our shortcomings. that our sins happen to us often, that we do what we would not like. By your grace, forgive us in your great mercy.

[00:09:39]May your holy will be done in all matters of our lives.

[00:09:46]We ask you to bless this brother whom you will use as an instrument of speech, so that he may expound your holy word according to your holy will. For everything we thank you very much through our Lord Jesus Christ.

[00:10:06]Amen.

[00:10:12]We will now read the verse and commentary on today's manna. And we will ask Joel to read this verse and commentary to us.

[00:10:27]Love is not quick to anger.

[00:10:31]First Corinthians 13 chapter four, verse five. Any congenital depravity or childhood neurotic tendencies may be the cause of an irritable disposition, taciturnity and oversensitivity.

[00:10:52]Every heart filled with the spirit of the Lord must fight [clear throat] with such a one a good fight. It cannot say, This is just how I am, because of all the ways of the fallen nature, both in this and in other works of the flesh and the flesh and the devil, nothing appeals more to our friends and to those in our household.

[00:11:28]Like this power of grace and love. This grace, as it grows, should develop in every child of God [clear throat] a gentle disposition, love that is not quick to anger. First Corinthians 13 chapter four and five verses. Thank you very much.

[00:11:57]Terstwo.

[00:11:59]Today's verse is an excerpt from the letter of the Apostle Paul to the Corinthians, from this beautiful hymn about love, where the Apostle Paul tells us that love is patient, love is kind, love does not envy, does not seek its own, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. But it is also written that love is not quick to anger.

[00:12:26]And here Joal will read to us Bratłów in the commentary that we as people have various innate character traits, and it is often the case that we simply inherit them in our genes from our parents or grandparents. Sometimes we observe our children or perhaps someone else and we see that certain character traits, whether we want them or not, are within us.

[00:12:54]And here Pastor Russell, commenting perhaps not necessarily on this verse, but perhaps referring to some other topic, writes that it happens to us, that such character traits, perhaps sometimes such neurosis or irritability, that we can have them and we should, brotherhood, as we have written here, fight it as hard as possible.

[00:13:22]nothing speaks more to our friends and members of the household of faith than the power of grace, love, and grace, as it grows in it, should develop in every child of God a gentle disposition. I think, dear brotherhood, that each of us, when every evening we give such an account, when we fall on our knees, we know that perhaps the same falls happen to us again and again. Some of us may just be too sensitive in nature. Maybe sometimes they say something in anger and maybe we regret it and it is a good feeling in the heart that we regret it. We should ask our heavenly Father to help us overcome our various difficulties. Maybe those in the brotherhood who are not by nature like we have written here, that maybe this character is maybe less irritable, less calm, maybe they have an easier time in life. But here brotherhood, in this comment the word fight is used. And when we think about all of this, really the greatest thing that we have, brotherhood, when it comes to this fight of faith, what fight is that?

[00:14:41]Yes. Sister Helenka gives me some advice here.

[00:14:43]This is a fight with yourself. In reality, we have to fight most with ourselves. [snort] So let's keep that in mind. Let us ask the Lord God to help us so that this grace of love may be in us, because, as the apostle described, love is not quick to anger.

[00:15:05]Of course, another topic is that sometimes it is appropriate to show anger.

[00:15:11]Just like our Lord Jesus Christ, with the only difference being that he could read hearts and was able to judge properly. We can sometimes make mistakes, so we have to be careful in this anger.

[00:15:24]Dear brothers and sisters, now it will be time for greetings. If anyone in the brotherhood has anything to say, Brother Damian will pass the microphone. Here you go. Maybe here on this side. Sister Ela Majewska. Here you go.

[00:15:40]Today I talked to Sister Krysia Burzyńska and it was her wish to present this song.

[00:15:49]She said that she had been walking for a few days and was simply humming this song. It stuck so deeply in her heart. I have a Manna that is expanded, not like ours. And there are questions there, there are songs about it, I think Manna is from the epiphany, so he often sings what he can, what he can't, he reads and that's what strengthens him. I just wanted to tell you that she told me to share it with the brotherhood and this song and [snort] today, um, the Pastuszak brotherhood, um, they also called, asked for song 276 um, and here Agnieszka actually told me yesterday that she wanted to go downstairs for some fresh air because it was warm and she fell. I don't think she broke her arm, but she bruised her hand badly with the machine, so it's a coincidence and oh well, I'm very sorry, but thank you for the greetings and this is brotherhood, as I said at the beginning, that many of the brothers would like to have the brotherly privilege of brotherhood, but precisely because of these various difficulties.

[00:17:06]Please, who else is here? Yes, please. Daniel has greetings.

[00:17:13]Grandpa sends his greetings.

[00:17:17]Grandpa Igna.

[00:17:18]Grandpa Igna, thank you very much.

[00:17:21]Greetings from Brother Ignac via Daniel.

[00:17:25]Who from the brotherhood? Sister Ela Majewska wants to add something more. Please. Yes, I wanted to add additional greetings, I don't have them, but the brotherhood asked me to send many graces, blessings and love to the congregation, because they miss them very much, but there is no possibility of them coming. Thank you.

[00:17:45]I understand, sister, I wrote down 270 correctly, because there is 76 written down, and this is 200.

[00:17:51]Good, thank you. All right. Thank you very much.

[00:17:53]Thank you and I hope that the brotherhood, if they hear us, we wish you blessings and perseverance.

[00:18:02]Who else from the brotherhood? Edward, you're welcome.

[00:18:10]On Wednesday, four of us from Biłgoraj attended the funeral of Ewa Maria Czuba Lubcza from Wola Luberska, and her brother Paweł Ceban, who has since moved back to Poland, lives there in Wola Lubecka. He wished to receive greetings from him from the entire congregation.

[00:18:33]Thank you very much and we are sending it.

[00:18:37]Please, Sister Ela Todryn. Here you go.

[00:18:43]On Wednesday morning, Sister Ania Noga left with Brother Robert. She sends very warm greetings to the brotherhood and thanks for the pleasant fellowship she has had here for several days with many brotherhoods. Thank you.

[00:18:57]Thank you very much and we are sending it.

[00:19:01]Who else? Brotherhoods.

[00:19:03]Henia has greetings. Please.

[00:19:06]Today I talked to my sister Jasio and she sends her very warm greetings.

[00:19:11]Thank you very much and we are sending it. Yes we send and thank you. the most important thing here is from my wife, but I also forgot.

[00:19:20][laughter] My brother forgot.

[00:19:22]Thank you for your greetings.

[00:19:24]We also pass it on from Sister Irenka.

[00:19:28]If there are no more greetings, we thank you for those we have heard, and we ask that if they have contact with us, they also pass them on from us, and we will sing our additional song. Please, Brother Łukasz and Łukasz. I know, brother, that this song is quite difficult. I tried to listen to it yesterday and I don't know if we'll be able to hold off for today, but maybe not at this moment we still have to play it once and sing it through, this is the second of the greetings 276, this moment is not far from brotherhood, Usha, this moment [singing] is not far away, when your people will gather beyond the river of life, where Zion [singing] stands the city.

[00:20:54]Whoever draws water from the river, [singing] will have a better condition [singing] and will receive the glory of the reward which [singing][music] will give him from the lord himself on [singing] the other side of the river [music] the place [music][singing] is for the lord's servants.

[00:21:32]Where the villagers will stand [singing], where God himself [singing] will take them [music] and there will be no end to happiness. [singing] eternal life, eternal [music] last.

[00:21:57][singing] And in the rays of his sun the lord's sister rejoiced [singing].

[00:22:12]There our Savior will crown us [music] [singing] to his faithful ones. [singing] The glorious Church of God, [music] will see the Lord's face in glory.

[00:22:39]Thank you, dear ones, and as I said at the beginning of our first hour, we will reflect on the writings from the letter of the Apostle Saint Paul to the Hebrews.

[00:22:54]Our reflections brotherhood, we ended in chapter on on we are in chapter 12 at verse six.

[00:23:05]I would just like to remind the brotherhood that the Apostle Saint Paul, continuing the idea, said that certain difficulties and trials that the brothers faced were not some exceptional situation that would never have happened before. And the apostle Paul gives as an example the attitude of the holy men of the Old Testament, showing how much they suffered for righteousness' sake.

[00:23:37]And only brotherhood, I always have in mind one statement from one of the sisters in our congregation. When we were thinking about these characters from chapter 12, Sister said that these were enormous experiences and she did n't know if we would be able to go through them and remain faithful. And that is why the Apostle Saint Paul writes that they have already reached such a state of heart that the Lord God could reward them, but [snort] only because the Lord God was pleased to choose the bride of Christ and foresaw the time of the Gospel age and the begetting of the Spirit, then the birth of the Spirit. That is why the apostle Paul says that they should not inherit apart from us. That is, the holy men of the Old Testament prophets are waiting for the election of the bride of Christ to be completed and they will be the first on earth to receive the reward of life, to awaken and brotherhood, they will be the ones who will be princes in all the earth. And the apostle Saint Paul, as if continuing the thought, when he finishes this 11th chapter, writes about looking at the Lord Jesus, the leader and perfecter of faith, and says that for the joy set before him he took up the cross, that he despised everything that happened to him, these sufferings, these trials.

[00:25:04]And why did the Lord Jesus do this, brotherhood? The Apostle Saint Paul says: "For our Lord, joy was not all these sufferings. Therefore, it was not the shame that he endured, but for him joy was what the prophet Isaiah wrote about in chapter 53, that he would see the fruit of his soul's labor, that is, everything that Christ's sacrifice was to fulfill.

[00:25:31]When shortly before his death, they came to the Lord Jesus for the feast, the Greeks came and said to the Apostle Philip that we wish to see Christ.

[00:25:42]And the Lord Jesus answered in this very strange way: Unless a grain of wheat dies, it remains a single grain; but if it dies, then it bears much fruit. And the Lord Jesus wanted to say that this meeting with these Greeks now will not be of much use to them, but when they accept Christ, when he presents his sacrifice to the Father, then it will be of great value, when they will be able to follow him.

[00:26:11]And the Apostle Saint Paul Bartelstwo goes on to say to the brothers that you have not yet reached such a point in your lives that you have suffered even to the point of death, as he says, even to the point of blood.

[00:26:27]For justice, for truth. And then the Apostle Paul begins to explain to the brothers, and we are in these very verses, why the Lord God allows all this, that these various difficulties and trials may come.

[00:26:41]And as we read, let us recall these verses. The Apostle says this from the fourth verse: You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood, striving against sin. That is, you have remembered the admonition which speaks to you as sons: "My son, do not despise the chastisement of the Lord, and do not lose heart when you are chastened by him." For whom the Lord loves he chastises, and he chastises every son whom he accepts.

[00:27:12]And here on this verse, we have recently ended our brotherhood. We have no questions left for today, so we will read the next verses from verse seven onwards. What more can you do with this? Here you go. If my brother had one, I would like to ask such a, you could say, life- long question. I will read from this new evangelical example once again this part of the quotes from the fifth and sixth verses. My son, do not disregard the Lord's teachings and do not be discouraged when He points out your mistakes, because the Lord disciplines whom He loves and shows severity towards every son whom He approves. The question would be something like this : how do we perceive it, because here when we say Lord, we have in mind that this is a quote in reference to God.

[00:28:19]However, it can also be brought to the parent, father and son. Son or daughter, it doesn't matter anymore, but parents, children.

[00:28:29]If you look at it, it says here that whether it's God or your parents, first of all, don't disregard the instructions, then don't be discouraged when he points out your mistakes, the one who teaches you, when he points out your mistakes.

[00:28:50]That's one thing. Well, let me tell you, accepting when someone points out mistakes is not easy or simple. In fact, this suffering is so great that it sometimes separates families.

[00:29:05]Well, but saying that first of all, don't disregard the instructions, then no one likes to be taught, right? Well, I was saying, and here is a quote from, I don't know, probably from Solomon, that when he says this, he points to the Lord God first of all and also to himself as the one who had a son.

[00:29:25]And then later on, that sixth one goes further. Who do you love this cardinal? And one asks the question, what kind of love is this if it is punishing and then it goes on to say that it shows severity and shows severity towards every son whom it approves of. So isn't there something here that the sense of freedom, stopping the freedom of each individual, and imposing, for example, starting from the fifth, that someone gives advice and instructions to someone, is control.

[00:30:08]Even a small unit, some small child, and the father or mother sets it up and controls it. Isn't this a denial of freedom for such a small individual? Is n't that breaking? As some people say, there are even scientists, sociologists who say that it is breaking the spine of a young person by implementing these verses and as if it were not giving him freedom, one could say, to breathe, whether with his mind, or with his actions, with his legs, with his hands, or not, whatever. How to look at this? in this space that everyone would like to be free, whether it's a father, whether it's this or that, even accepting, the Lord God himself intervenes and he wants to set, let's assume, or guide how we look at it. Thank you. All right. I think the question is understandable. In fact, Brother Staszek here draws attention to the fact that if we look at this verse as if the Lord God would say so, it could follow from this verse. As if God were depriving man of free will here. This is what it could look like. Yes. Have you remembered the admonition which says to you: "My son, do not neglect the Lord's lesson, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you. For whom the Lord loves, he chastises, and whom he accepts as his son, he hates."

[00:31:42]As a brotherhood, let us answer this brother's question here, please. Who would have second thoughts? Here you go.

[00:32:04]Brother Staszek also drew brotherly attention in the context of the parent of children.

[00:32:08]looking at today's world and the science of sociology, although I'm not really familiar with it, but there is such a concept as stress-free raising children. Is all this correct?

[00:32:25]The way God deals with us is certainly right, but how can we explain it?

[00:32:29]Well, and in relation to the parents of the children. Does n't it break? Are parents breaking the law if they treat their children in this way, by scolding them and admonishing them?

[00:32:41]How do we look at it? Here you go.

[00:32:47]Brother Damian. Yes, please.

[00:32:51]Yes, maybe I'll start.

[00:32:57]Here, as we mentioned, because who do you love, if we think about the fact that you are representing God here, then I do not see a problem with this punishment, because as we know, God is an omnipotent, omniscient being.

[00:33:16]E, he knows us better than we know ourselves. He knows our hearts, he knows our trials, he knows our experiences and he does all this so that we can be better, so that we can rise, and everything he prepares for us, everything he gives us, only seems to me to be for our good. We may not understand it at first, we may not agree with it, but in the long run we see that it helps us and that it elevates us.

[00:33:57]However, when it comes to the parent-child perspective, it seems to me that we should also distinguish between punishment for the sake of punishment, which results from various factors, from different families, from various pathologies, which do occur and which should not occur. There should be no room for such punishment and it should not happen. In fact, this is very, very wrong and very inappropriate.

[00:34:28]However, when it comes to constructive punishment, such as saying that we love our child and we know that he or she is not behaving well at the moment, then I think that such punishment is necessary to prevent the child from turning down a path that, if taken, will not necessarily result in anything good. So it seems to me that parents here are quite wise to draw their child's attention to something that, in their opinion, in their experience, at their age, is necessary. So it seems to me that here we should draw a clear line between punishing for the sake of punishing, and punishing because I know that it will help my child, that in the long run it will change my child and make him follow this, this will make him follow this straight path. That's all for now.

[00:35:31]Thank you.

[00:35:32]Thank you.

[00:35:33]Who from the brotherhood? Sister Ela. Please Majewska.

[00:35:43]Here I wanted to use an example like the one my brother started from the beginning, when someone points out mistakes, it is very unpleasant.

[00:35:55]We don't want this, but if we don't receive it, we make these mistakes, and we don't receive rebuke, admonition from the brothers, from the community, then I think that's where God intervenes. And why? And so as to keep us on this path, in this covenant that we have made with him. And we should be thankful that he opens our eyes. it gives us the understanding that maybe we've gone in the wrong direction, and here it points out mistakes. Just a week ago we found ourselves in such company where a man came in a bit drunk and started behaving inappropriately, so we called his attention and just like his brother says that we don't like people like that, he jumped in and started beating us up, and if he was n't calmed down, the fight would continue.

[00:37:12]So we have different characters. And here, well, there's a man who, after drinking heavy alcohol, doesn't work as he should. And here it was still [clear throat] about these little children. Well, I won't say anything more, because I don't have small children.

[00:37:34]However, the upbringing was different, so that this particular horn was used a bit. This is absolutely impossible now, because, as my brother said, it is a distortion of the individual, and it will remain a trauma for the rest of his life. I don't know, because in psychology, because most likely if we were talking to a psychologist, there would be some scientific proof, some kind of confirmation, and here I don't know. Thank you.

[00:38:12]Thank you. Who else from the brotherhood?

[00:38:15]Edward, you're welcome.

[00:38:19][snort] Well, I would like to say from observation, from my own life, what it was like. I was n't beaten as a child, but yes, I did receive some, maybe not often, but there were verbal reprimands that I had done something wrong, that I had done something unnecessarily, or something else, or something else. And it had an effect on me.

[00:38:50]It had an effect on me. I was just analyzing it, thinking about it and [clears throat] I kind of had it in mind for the future, so that I would pay attention to what my dad or mom or any of my older siblings were paying attention to. Um, however, uh, today I also do not support the methods of uh, physical force, i.e. physical beating, punishing by beating children, although in some cases we such a method may also be necessary and even the only effective one.

[00:39:32]I know of such cases, I will not mention names here, but I know of cases where such methods were effective, but I know of cases where such methods were not effective. They also had absolutely no effect.

[00:39:47]So, from, you could say from skills, if we translate this into the relationship between parents and children, into the physical family, our results may be different, because we have to take into account our imperfection.

[00:40:05]God is perfect and his dealings with us as children are perfect and he would like, he would like to use various methods for us to develop, for us to grow.

[00:40:22]I am not yet convinced about, as my brother mentioned here, this stress-free upbringing of children, that the parent has to endure everything and the child does what he thinks is right. I do n't know, it would take a long time to see what effect was achieved in such cases, which are observed from childhood to full adulthood, i.e. up to the age of about 30.

[00:40:59]However, here the brother asking the question added or highlighted one more important thing, which I would also like to comment on. says that there is such a thing as shaping or breaking the spine, the moral spine or the spine of such a character.

[00:41:23]And so, if we were to cite examples from around the world, in such regime systems, various types of methods are used where people's spines are broken or fractured, and that's enough, and the proportion is overwhelming that many, most of such people who are subjected to such, let's call it, therapy, in quotes, their spines are easily broken, right? And then they act according to the assumptions of some, right, therapist.

[00:42:11]Let's use such terms.

[00:42:15]As an example I will cite very fresh, very fresh. Listening to Professor Góralczyk's speech. He is a very wise man, so sensible and has very interesting statements.

[00:42:27]Observing, observing, and he worked in China for 50 years and commented on the recent visit of the US president to Beijing. And there, by the way, he mentioned that the leader of China had been put in prison and sentenced to, well, not him, courts in the country where he rules.

[00:42:53]some generals and high-ranking state officials were sentenced to life imprisonment, but the sentence was suspended for 2 years so that during these two years they, through their behavior and by showing remorse, could obtain a change of the death penalty to life imprisonment. and says: "For these two years: "They have to behave well, and says: "They will behave well, because that is what they are instructed to do and they are led in such a way that they have to behave well." So in fact this punishment exists, the death penalty is just a kind of scare tactic. He really, you could say, didn't want them, he wouldn't want to kill them, right? But through this kind of therapy, yes, through isolation, imprisonment, through the appropriate imposition of this kind of lifestyle, he wants to break people.

[00:44:04]Well, some people, despite the harshest punishments, do not allow their backbones to be broken. The latest example from our contemporary world is Poczobót from Belarus, who was released from prison and announced that he will probably return to Belarus in September.

[00:44:25]So even those 5 years spent in that prison in that penal colony apparently did n't break his spine. Well, with young people, with small children or with teenagers, it's a slightly different story. And here, if we go down to this level of the father or parents of children, we always have in mind the earlier period.

[00:44:54]There are many proverbs invented or created under the slogan " Rot the twig while it is young," right?

[00:45:05]Because it can be shaped. I personally shaped a few trees in the countryside, and the crowns of these trees were shaped almost exactly as I wanted by bending them, by tying them, by putting weights on a given branch, filling a bottle with water, for example, a larger or smaller one, so that the branch was bent into the appropriate position and later it would stay that way. it will become stiff, right, after a year or two and it will stay that way. So in the case of humans it is a bit, let 's say, a bit more difficult task than in the case of trees, but certain similarities were drawn from such situations as well. So I think that I think that when it comes to God's dealings with his children, it is very, it is above all perfect. Yes, here there is this action of perfection all the time. We, as imperfect people, often fail to notice certain admonitions or certain life situations, because, as I once said, I do not believe that there are any coincidences in the life of a sacrificed person. These are not coincidences. Sometimes we don't think. We approach too many, too many situations that arise, that we encounter on our path of life, whether on a professional level or on a life level, I don't know, still at school, in such a very human way.

[00:46:50]Of course, we are guided by some logic, but often this logic is also based on certain information from the human point of view.

[00:47:00]And we often make such choices as if we forget, or sometimes it happens that we forget, and it may happen that only after some time, shorter or longer, the Lord allows us to recognize it.

[00:47:16]Aha, at that time listen there and there I wrote to you so.

[00:47:24]you know these words, you read them, at that moment you didn't think about them and you made a mistake. Well, this needs to be fixed.

[00:47:33]It is good if such observations and reflections come to us. And now another question, because here we cannot quite transfer this relationship, this image of progress to human relationships. man in relation to man to man because we are not perfect and we cannot forget that man has given man free will and such a breaking of this spine, if I, as a father, tried to carry out on one of my children, because I think so, because it is written so and so on, Well, that could cause a lot of harm. No, I'm not a supporter of this type of methods, but informing, pointing out, raising awareness, especially when a person becomes an adult and has the right to decide about their life, then it should only be advice, right?

[00:48:43]We should not strive to break our spine in this way, because God has given the right to freedom to every human being. Thank you.

[00:48:51]Thank you. Would anyone else from the brotherhood like to speak?

[00:48:59]If not, we will ask. Sister Ela is still here. Here you go.

[00:49:06][snort] I think these kinds of questions are the hardest because they're practical questions. We can often put theory into practice, but it has absolutely nothing to do with practical application. And now here these two verses, which the brother asked the question about, should also be connected with the fourth verse, which says: You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood, striving against sin, so the apostle Paul places these next verses in the category of sin.

[00:49:50]And now yyy he goes on yyy saying that he dedicates it to yyy his Jewish brothers. He says you didn't object that strongly. He talks until it bleeds. The blood symbolizes our life fighting against sin. And now the next verses say this: "My son, do not despise the Lord's chastisement, and do not lose heart when you are punished by him.

[00:50:25]And I think we should ask ourselves whether Solomon is speaking in the category of father, son, that is, just as the brother here posed the question in the relationship between the Lord God and his children, his creations, and also in the category of father, son physically, because it also has a similar meaning, just as the Lord God cares about his children to whom he gave life. In the same way, a physical parent cares about his children, who he gave life to, so that their hearts may be close to the Lord God.

[00:51:12]And I think that this is precisely the category of sin that is meant here.

[00:51:19]The Apostle Paul says in another place: "Be free, as Christ has made you free." But he further urges, adds: "But I will not be enslaved by anything." So freedom is not what I think.

[00:51:41]Only freedom is in the sense that it is not far-reaching, but that which causes human development.

[00:51:54]Human development within a certain framework. Because on In another place, the apostle Paul also says, "I rejoice," perhaps to the Romans, "that I am a slave of Christ." So he subordinates our lives to what the word of God says. And now, if it is said here that he does not despise the chastisement of the Lord, then this chastisement of the Lord is very blessed, because in chapter 1B, and in verse 17, he says: "Behold, blessed is the man whom God commands. Do not despise the chastisement of the Almighty, for he wounds and binds, strikes, and his hands heal." So neither the Lord God nor the physical parent punishes the child, because he has devised this.

[00:52:51]Only if he sees certain deviations here, as I said, from the category of sin, certain deviations from what he understands, then he simply does it for the good of the child and says this to the child, but do not lose heart when he was punished by him.

[00:53:14]So he shows here that it is for your good, but above all for your spiritual good, because you can be physically hurt. And here I am not talking about any physical punishment, but Even if you strongly point this out to someone, remember, it's like the brother said, it's pain.

[00:53:40]It's such pain that words can sometimes hurt more than a physical blow.

[00:53:48]So why does the one who helps do it? Because it's in his understanding that he's helping them? Because the next verse says: "For whom God loves, he punishes."

[00:54:01]So here he juxtaposes love with punishment.

[00:54:05]Well, these are two opposites.

[00:54:09]These are love. We know that we have today's verse about love, and the entire chapter 13 situates here what characterizes love. But I don't know if the brotherhood noticed that all the characteristics mentioned there are such as would seem positive, that love doesn't rejoice, just like that chapter says. But there is one place that says that love doesn't rejoice in injustice, but rejoices in the truth. And here is precisely the point: when we see that there is a certain injustice, and injustice is also often connected with sin, then love does n't rejoice. He rejoices.

[00:55:05]And then he speaks of this love and punishment, saying: "And he scourges everyone he accepts as a son."

[00:55:14]And now a parent has the right to do this, because it 's their child, because they fight for them and fight for the spiritual side of their life. And if they neglect this, the child's spiritual life may be lost, and this is a certain responsibility before God. And that's why it seems to me that fighting for our children is, one might say, our life's duty, for which we will give an account to God.

[00:55:53]Thank you.

[00:55:54]Thank you.

[00:55:56]Sister Małgosia Tudryn asked. You're welcome.

[00:56:06]Perhaps from this perspective, as a mother of three small children, and also because of my profession, I know that every child is different.

[00:56:18]Each child has a different character, a different resilience, and will react differently to what is said to them, how they are treated. And as if there are no universal rules or procedures that will work for everyone equally and for everyone, as if this approach is individual.

[00:56:39]But what I also try to glean from God's Word and how God approached his children. To Israel, to those he chose, it seems to me that God often taught them by placing them in specific situations in which they had to speak up, but he always gave them help in the form of a prophet who came and guided them.

[00:57:13]It's hard to imagine that God took pleasure in someone suffering physical harm.

[00:57:25]If not, it's as if he reads it from the pages of the Bible and from his dealings with the nation of Israel. Of course, they experienced physical harm, because if they strayed from God and fell into idolatry, then physical harm befell them. So much for God's permission. Yes, God allowed these other nations to invade them.

[00:57:49]They were steeped in idolatry and didn't really turn to God for help right away. Some time had to pass, and only then did they remember God. And it seems to me that, if you translate this into life, that as we as parents or as members of the congregation, how We observe each other, so I feel that this punishment often also involves putting each other in situations where we have to define ourselves appropriately. And Filip, and also knowing how to react, because God sometimes simply gives us certain situations in which we and says: "I'm checking how you will react now, how you will say now, and how we will behave and whether we will pray in this situation, turn to God, whether we will turn to our family and brothers for help, this will also ultimately depend on whether this punishment will come to us or not. Because the further we are from God, the further we are from his word and from his instructions, the more I think that this punishment will intensify, and it does not necessarily have to be related to the fact that God is sending us these experiences, but often it is our attitude and our distancing ourselves from him that makes this experience increasingly difficult and increasingly difficult to cope with, because as the Letter to the Corinthians says, "if there is nothing, not as if I will not give you anything." nothing you can't stand. And if you have the attitude that I am above you, that I am watching over you, then we will not even perceive these experiences as punishment, but we will perceive them as help, as support from God. And I think that God often forgives in this sense, as with Israel. that leaves.

[00:59:57]If you don't want to, you don't come to me, you turn to other things, you leave me somewhere far away from you, then now see what you will have to face and whether you want to face it. And it is then in this sense that God shows his love. I love you, but you have to come closer to me, and I will come closer to you. So I kind of think that this expression of love through punishment is precisely that, that this punishment is the lack of God's presence in life. The same was true in the life of Israel at that time when God's presence was absent and they had to go through many sufferings to return to God. And the same in our lives. The further we move away from God, the more painful things can happen to us if we really want God's presence in our lives. Thank you.

[01:00:48]Thank you. Is there anyone else from the brotherhood?

[01:00:53]If not, we will ask the brother a question.

[01:01:00]Well, there were a lot of comments and I actually agree with all of them. I would like to [clear throat] say to start with God, because he is the most important and here he is, I will say, he is like this, there is such a slogan in the world in general.

[01:01:17]God is love.

[01:01:21]And he I think he performs for all the gods. Whether it be deep Asia or the far East with all its various gods, they also confess that God is guided by love. Even for such a group where those who profess jihad in their first holy book for them there is such a first passage that in the name of God, the gracious and merciful, they mark it.

[01:01:50]And here it must be said that the Lord God is guided by love, this is the most important proof. The proof of this is that man is sinful. This is proof of God's love.

[01:02:03]Because if God wanted to make his creations automata, such little automata, then everything would be perfect, nothing would fall and they would multiply. If man, if God wanted, everything would go in a very positive way. But the fact that God is love and gave free will, first of all, this free will was visible in spiritual beings, because we know that it is written in the Scripture that Lucifer, the light-bearer, the morning star, that's the term, he fell because he opposed, and he opposed because God also gave free will in that place, that God is completely full of love.

[01:02:53]And now if we take a full look at how sin has progressed since the fall of our first parents, as was mentioned, sin has introduced death and the existence of all offspring in sin and death, then once again the Lord has made it clear that He does not abandon you. I only want to be with you, I want to help you, to raise you up, so that you do not degrade yourself completely, so that you do not descend to the level of mindless animals or something similar, although people sometimes descend to such low, low states.

[01:03:40]And I think that part of such action of the Lord God is that I want to show him, or to put it differently, I want to liberate him, I want to give him freedom. fully and bring it about, but because he is a weak, fallen man, he would not be able to bear it on his own.

[01:04:03]That is why the oldest of the most ancient times chose for himself individuals who came closer to him, noticed some greatness of the invisible God, the ruler over them, in whom they trusted and gave their lives full of their hope and entrusted him with full trust. that's what they were like.

[01:04:31]First of all, Enoch is recorded there, as is Noah, and then Abraham, and so on, as later on, further and further to the nation of Israel.

[01:04:42]And God helped all the time. And that is helping. This is precisely the fact that if individual punishment, even in the form of flogging, as mentioned, does not have a breakthrough meaning to self-debasement and total humiliation, to perdition.

[01:05:04]This is such [ __ ]. If we often think that this is not very humane and why the Lord God said that you should do this, I will send my servant Nabhodonozar against you. He will bring you into order, because you did not obey my words, but killed my prophets when I sent other servants of mine to you. You didn't want to listen to them. he will send such a one against you that even such a strong punishment from the Lord God, it had a fundamental purpose, to liberate, even as it is written in the prophecies or in many New Testament writings, that even to bring out the remnant of this nation, this is already salvation, because if it were not for such an intervention, everything would perish.

[01:05:59]And now, when it comes to the fact that God knows everything and knows it best, we can say that we say God, but how many people can doubt and say what God is, what God is?

[01:06:13]I don't see, I don't feel, no, not in a material, corporeal way. Well, that's when I notice it.

[01:06:22]And it can be said that some people may not realize the state of enslavement they are in, total enslavement. One could even say that sometimes there is a different person, one rich, the other poor, and this is already a form of enslavement. We can now rule over each other. One is stronger and the other is weaker. it is already evident that one can be disappointed by another and these are some, but even if others were to pass, that someone is fine and does not have to live or listen to the Lord God, or these commands, be guided by something, or read the word of God, the Holy Scripture, which is recognized. Well, someone will say, what kind of letter is this? So what? There is no way to prove to him his slavery. A bolt of lightning comes from the sky, shoots at his house, everything burns down, he barely survives, right?

[01:07:25]and if he doesn't investigate it, he doesn't find out what, for what reason, he won't want to get up.

[01:07:31]This constantly shows that human slavery, slavery [snort] for this state, is in control almost all the time, always and exclusively, an element of what God wants to do, to rise from this state of slavery and degradation, to rise and to notice the good. Here, in general, it is an eternal struggle, the struggle between good and evil. On the side of evil is the enemy of the Lord God who opposed him and leads us to the evil side, to fall. However, the Lord God lifts up, and here the verses that we are examining are only and exclusively helpful and auxiliary elements.

[01:08:12]And as long as we know that we trust that the Lord God is, one could say, perfection, perfect, or other such words can be used, absolute, absolute, even divinity, which is a higher form than saying, just saying, stating the Lord God or God, right?

[01:08:33]So while he is perfect enough to know how to deal with this creature that comes from him, from his power, from his will, it is more difficult to realize this obedience in the action between earthly parents and children, because parents are not perfect and even if they have good intentions and want well, sometimes the means they use to guide them are not necessarily the right and the best. The ability to apply it is an advantage that must be acquired.

[01:09:16]And it can be said that parents can often make mistakes in the educational or support elements for their children.

[01:09:27]The only thing that can be said is that their intention or the intention of their mind is right.

[01:09:35]Let's accept it, because there are also some that are pathologically inappropriate.

[01:09:40]But we won't discuss this any further, but I think that every parent wants to convey something from their life experience so that their child can avoid any harm they suffer or lose themselves, falling into, as I said, the bondage of dependence and subordination.

[01:10:03]Because the only best thing is such guidance and such a path, as I often emphasize, I notice what the Lord Jesus said: if you come to me in my word, you will truly be my disciples and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free or give you freedom.

[01:10:21]I think the same thing, whether God or God, we are talking about relationships here, parents of children, and here it must be said that the Lord has the same view not only of small children but also of adults, and sometimes they are led to death by some exercises or experiences to adjust their state of mind, because sometimes the body reacts differently, but the mind, to unleash certain instincts, for example, like the thief we discussed on the cross, he was able to rise up even in this final stage.

[01:10:56]And now I think that in the relationships between parents and children, I think God has entrusted a large part to these natural parents so that they can influence it. Yes, but does it always work? It may not always work out. Maybe we don't know. Maybe, maybe sometimes the prism of God, his, his law does not shine through to us, parents. No, we are not guided by this, but by some human reflexes that are already fallen into themselves and we are not giving the best messages to children who would be able to accept it.

[01:11:40]However, it must be said that the fact that parents care and want to shape children for the good is a good sign and it also belongs to this, I think, since there are 10 commandments, the first five commandments are about loving God and taking God into account in your life, which also includes the father and mother. this is included in the first part, that is, it is a link between God and the material, corporeal parents.

[01:12:12]So I think that in general all exercises are only meant to help you get up, not to make you fall. Thank you.

[01:12:23]Thank you.

[01:12:26]Did Sister Halinka want to add? Here you go.

[01:12:33]Well, actually a lot has already been said, maybe everything, but I would like to point out one more aspect: Israel was a difficult nation. They were difficult children who grumbled and sinned, and the Lord was, the Lord God was very patient with them.

[01:12:57]he forgave them whenever they came to him.

[01:13:02]And I think in relation to parents, you should never punish your children when you are nervous or have a bad disposition or take it out on them. But children still need to be taught discipline so that the child knows what he or she is capable of, because children are also clever. They can sense and test parents to see how much they can gain.

[01:13:39]And I think that God gave reason to us, and we have a duty to teach our children so that they too will grow up to be good Christians.

[01:13:57]And I often observed in nature how a mother cat taught her kittens.

[01:14:07]This kitten had been hit on the head like this many times, but the mother, without claws, just retracted her claws and taught the child. She taught him how to hunt, maybe even taught him good manners, to be polite. So I think that we also need to be patient with our children, but also teach them a lot. Thank you.

[01:14:37]Thank you very much.

[01:14:40]So I see it this way, that actually our time has passed on this question, which is quite important. Can I add anything else, brotherhood, to this?

[01:14:54]Such a question, brotherhood, that we could ask ourselves rhetorically. Why are we meeting here in this room?

[01:15:02]What is the main reason we want to come here?

[01:15:08]Many of us, the brotherhood in this room, are people dedicated to the Lord God, and others of our dear ones who come to this room come because they want to listen, they want to learn, and perhaps in their lives they also think about offering themselves to the Lord God. And I think, dear brothers, that the essence of this question that Brother Staszek asked is contained in these very verses, the fifth and sixth. It is written like this. Have you remembered the admonition which he speaks to you as to sons, as to sons: "Do not despise the Lord's authority, and do not lose heart when you are rebuked by him." For whom the Lord loves he chastises, and he chastises every son whom he accepts. Protestantism, can we say that today all people are sons of God?

[01:16:01]In my opinion, brotherhood is the main point that the Apostle Saint Paul is emphasizing here. He says that God punishes everyone he accepts as a son.

[01:16:15]I once asked my brotherhood this question. I think that perhaps the brothers remember, because the apostle Saint Paul quotes here the words from the parable of Solomon from the third chapter. He says this: "My son, do not reject the Lord's discipline, do not tire of his discipline, for whom the Lord loves, he commands. And this as a father who loves in the Son. Blessed is the man who finds wisdom and the man who receives prudence. I asked you, brother, whether these words of the apostle Saint Paul, did you remember anything, my son, do not disregard the Lord's serious discipline, whether these questions, whether these words referred to our Lord?

[01:17:05]These words refer to our Lord, dear brotherhood, of course they do. Therefore, dear brotherhood, our Lord Jesus Christ was the Son of God, because he was the Son of God already when he was created, but in the sense of the nature that the Father wanted to endow him with, he became the Son of God when he was begotten by the Spirit. No one, dear brotherhood, who does not have the begetting of the Spirit of God, according to the biblical teaching, can create himself.

[01:17:39]to be called a son of God.

[01:17:42]Because the Apostle Paul, in his letter to the Romans, said that those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. And I think, dear brothers and sisters, that the Lord God in no way limited our freedom, and even less did He limit the freedom of the Lord Jesus. And I would just like to remind you that when we were considering these verses, the fifth and sixth, I quoted the words used there, because very often when we say "punishment," we mean that the Lord God punishes us only for our wrongdoing and evildoing. But asking the question whether these words concerned the Lord Jesus, an immediate objection arises in our hearts.

[01:18:25]Well, how was the Lord God, the Lord Jesus, supposed to be punished? For what? After all, he did nothing wrong. And here, brotherhood in this fifth verse, the Greek word elegaco is used. And it means, it turns around, among other things, to correct, to test, to test. And in verses six and seven, there is the word pajdeo, which means teach, shape.

[01:18:48]educate, practice.