The HORROR of Divine Command Theory - The DAM Show

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[00:05:14]I got all fuzzy. Good morning. Welcome to Daily This Morning Show. I am your host, the amazing Super Chris. Thank you for joining me today. It is Thursday, the day of Thor, Thor's Day. You know, one of the things we're going to talk about is um well, primarily probably is divine command theory and how horrific it is. I saw a question briefly in the chat. I figure I'll answer it. So you can either, you know, chill and hang out with us or, you know, get your answer and go. Uh, do I, the question was at least admit that, let's see. Do I know where was it? Let me see. Hold on a second. Let me find find it right here.

[00:05:46]Uh, they were asking, "Damn, do you at least grant that Jesus was a real person?"

[00:05:53]That's the question. Um, maybe.

[00:05:59]Maybe he might have been a real person.

[00:06:01]Maybe. I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt it or be surprised. It wouldn't bother me if he was. It wouldn't change my position at all. Um, just means that he's based on a real person, you know? That's it.

[00:06:13]It's It's almost Just imagine like you found out one day that Stan Lee really did know a guy named Peter Parker and that kid was a gymnast. And Stan Lee based Spider-Man on Peter Parker, his friend who was a gymnast. That doesn't really mean that it's all the things he says about him is true, does it? But as it stands, we don't have any contemporary evidence that Jesus was a real person. So, he may not have been.

[00:06:42]But I I kind of I'm really to to tell you the truth. I lean towards him being a real person. But until there's contemporary solid evidence, we just I can't really say. That's my thinking.

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[00:08:21]>> All right, we are back. Um, I hope you guys have had a great week so far. It is Thursday, like I mentioned, and we're going to talk about some divine command theory. So, if you don't know, if you're if you're new to the channel or the whole atheist Christian thing, you may not know what divine command theory is. Um, not all Christians ascribe to divine command theory. Not all theor theists, should I say. I I guess maybe they do in a way. I I really don't know. how you'd have to ask into each individual one.

[00:08:53]It's it's sort of like us saying, you know, not all atheists. Anyway, divine command theory is essentially that whatever God says is good is good.

[00:09:05]Whatever God says is evil is evil. If God says baking a pie is evil and you must die for baking a pie, then that is evil and you must die for baking a pie.

[00:09:18]If God says that you should go around unaliving babies with a stick and a rock or a bat and that that is good and holy, then according to divine command theory, it is good and holy. And that's the scary thing about divine command theory, isn't it? Because essentially they believe that whatever their god creature deems good is good.

[00:09:42]not necessarily what society deems good or even probably what their own notions tend to think is good. It's what their god creature think is good. Now, we here at the channel know how horrific their god creature is, but um it's just kind of scary to think about these people out there who are going by this and they think we have bad morals and they come in here and we talk about things like they say we have how where do I get my morals from and if I'm an atheist? Well, from society. I grew up in a society and my morals would be different if I grew up in a different society because morals are absolutely subjective and you don't like that, but that's your problem. Um, but my morals I was kind of raised up with and they teach me to treat everybody equally and kindly and respectfully and all that business. Um, Christian morals don't do that, do they?

[00:10:35]But Christians demonstrate that almost all the time. you know, trans bands, gay bands, going after gay marriage, that sort of thing. You know, the typical signature move of your Christians. Um, but but why do they do that? Because according to their God creature, those things are wicked and evil and sinful. I don't know why they picked that thing, but anyway. Um, so but according to us, just leave people alone. Let them do whatever they're going to do. You know, if they're not hurting you and they're not hurting anybody else, leave them alone. divine command theory. So, so to me it's really kind of horrific and um it's scary. One of the things that's scary about part of the divine command theory is that I mean just just imagine as we talked to these Christians here in the chat and they're like um the talking and they're like well you know God did this and and bless you and all this. Well, you got to ask yourself, man, if they have a hallucination, they tell us clearly here that if they have a hallucination or whatever, and imagine for some reason, convincingly enough, that God has spoken to them and told them to harm someone else, their own child, their own family member, their stranger. They will do that because God told them to because divine command theory, right? Uh let me just see what's going on here. Uh my name ab Bible 2000 propaganda inverted. I don't know what you're talking about, dude. Carry on with yourself. Um let's see. I see saw somebody something about um Muslims.

[00:12:19]Yeah, I don't really I don't really have a I'm not fond of Islam either. It's just not it's not my problem right now.

[00:12:24]It's somebody else's problem. Right now, Christianity is my problem. That's probably the shortest way I've ever that. Now, they'll say, "What do you mean by your problem?" And then I'll have to explain to them that they're actually oppressing other people and they don't know it. And what happens is is when other people stop them from oppressing someone, they go, "Oh my goodness. Oh, I'm being oppressed because I can't oppress people." That's Christian thing. Good morning, John Hudson. I hope you're doing great.

[00:12:52]Pseudovie Science. Um, good morning, man. We got some cool names. I was swallowing coffee and thinking as soon as I put this mug down and then um let's see what's going on here. See if I can catch up with some of our chat.

[00:13:04]Good morning, everyone. I hope you all had a wonderful, wonderful week. Um, we're almost done with our weekend. Um, it's been a good week for me. Yeah, things have been going. Lots of blaspheming and sinning and you know, I don't think I've been smited once. once.

[00:13:18]Well, I guess Oh, my hair's all I You know, I was smited once, but other than that, it's been a good week. Um Gary Son says, "All Abrahamic religions are back."

[00:13:30]That's a If they are, that's a testament to the lack of education to the destruction of the modern education system. That's I mean if anything technically non-theists are more intelligent than athe or no no wait than theists non-theists atheists are more intelligent than theists statistically scientifically over and over and over and over again. So I mean oh did I say hi to SR Nation? Good morning SR nation. Nice to have you with us. Um if apple pie is wrong I don't want to be right. #truth.

[00:14:10]Ain't that right? Uh, let's see here.

[00:14:11]So, that's kind of the thing. Um, Christian morals, you know, Chris George, man, I appreciate you, man, but I'm I am weary, brother, of the spam.

[00:14:23]You know what I mean by the spam? I cannot tell you, cannot tell you how many times I've seen you post no fiery hell in mainline Protestantism, nor Young Earth. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've seen it in comments.

[00:14:37]I even I even blocked you from the channel for like a day or two. And I was like, maybe not. You got to stop. Stop.

[00:14:43]Stop with the posting. Stop with the copy pasting. Or I'm I'm just [ __ ] done with you, dude. I'm done with you.

[00:14:48]I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. I know.

[00:14:50]I know. I [ __ ] know at this point that No Fire Hill and Mainline. I [ __ ] know already. You've told me what a hundred [ __ ] times you've posted it everywhere. Stop. I'm done with it. No more Chris George. Stop. No more copy paste post in my [ __ ] You can do it anywhere else you want. You do it in my [ __ ] anymore and I'm done with you. I'm real post words, just words.

[00:15:12]Not three words. Hey, this is what I think. And then a copy paste of some [ __ ] that you've done over and I swear Chris, I am sick of it.

[00:15:21]I'm sick of it. Not again. No more. No more. No more.

[00:15:29]My large S has worn off in that department.

[00:15:33]So, baby pasters, huh? Baby pasters.

[00:15:35]Interesting. That would be theists, right? Wouldn't it be theists?

[00:15:39]Christians. Christians. Inverted, not invented. The Christian Bible is an inversion of the actual truth God does not speak. You know, that's a very interesting thought you have there.

[00:15:49]Relentless hill stomper. I mean, I mean, it is it is no and interesting.

[00:15:57]I dig it. Yeah, I'm picking up what you're putting down. I think um it's wrong. I would think that well I mean it's probably right.

[00:16:05]I don't know. Uh but the billions of Christians would probably think you're wrong. Um the entire Yeah. Yeah. So that's a tough subject. Let me just get here and see if I just if if if I got through or if my our friend has learned that the copy. I just want to see if there was any kind of response before I move on. I am weary. I grew weary.

[00:16:34]I grew weary. Y'all remember when I first met Chris? I thought he was a [ __ ] bot because he his I mean he doesn't always spam. Like it's not always the same post all the time. Like this one is. It is. You can go in my comments and you can see him posting that exact same thing. No fiery hell in Protestant main. I don't give a [ __ ] I am so [ __ ] over it. I'm so [ __ ] over it. Um, but every now and then he will accompany this long [ __ ] post of [ __ ] with maybe a word or two that's different. But I I really did I thought he was a bot for quite a while. So I was like, "Dude, are you a bot or are you a real person? What the fuck?" So I'm very very I'm in a mood apparently. Uh Chris comment doesn't even make sense. And I know they they never really do. Um let's see here. I want to read our Just checking here. Realist you guys you guys go on with your you know relous I I used to get hung up on spelling mistakes. Now the only time I really really get after have a problem with a spelling or grammar mistake and you'll see me mentioning it normally really the only time you'll see that happen is when the person who has made the grammatical or spelling error is calling someone else dumb. They'll come in my chat and they'll say you're an idiot and it'll be like your as in I own an idiot. It's like my idiot instead of I am an idiot, you know, or or whatever that or the if you're going to call someone stupid, [ __ ] spell it right. That's all I'm saying. Use some proper punctuation, capitalization, you know, don't look like a [ __ ] [ __ ] is all I'm saying. Anyway, good morning, Garlic Eric. Thank you for joining us.

[00:18:13]Uh, we encourage conversation. Yeah, I Yeah, the the the Yeah, we'll we'll figure out the stuff with Chris. I mean, Chris has been watching the show for a long time and I swear to goodness he has been he's been posting the same [ __ ] for for a long time. I just my my large S has dissipated completely. Um, anyway, so um never call someone else stupid. We all do dumb [ __ ] all the time. You know, Vic, that's a good point. I when even when I was if you will a grammar Nazi even at that point um I mean I my notion was this if you see someone misspell a word or they do the there there wrong or something once you know that it happens to all of us especially in a heated conversation but you can tell you can tell when you're talking to people that don't know the difference and you know what I mean you pick up what I'm saying uh so I try not to be be that way says you're a fool for not believing in my imaginary ary friend. That's very true. That's one of the things, isn't it? Isn't it? We've talked about that on the show is that that's exactly what I would tell you.

[00:19:17]Listen, Christian friend, I'm a I'm a person. I'm going to sell you Christianity. Okay? You're Imagine you're an atheist. I'm going to sell you Christianity. Um, but part of the deal is it is so weird and so crazy when you really think about it. It's it's going to be tough for me to sell it to you. Tough. Tough.

[00:19:36]Tough. So, there's a couple things I want to do. One is I'm going to tell you, listen, I know this stuff is crazy.

[00:19:41]You have to believe it on faith. Faith.

[00:19:45]Then I'm going to tell you that people who are outside of this religion don't understand it. They don't get us, right? Me and you get it. We're special. Outside, they don't get it.

[00:19:58]They are fools. That's what somebody who's trying to con you into something would tell you, is it not? I mean, that's that's part and parcel exactly describing Christianity.

[00:20:09]Is it not fun? Um, let's see.

[00:20:16]Hi, Pacia. Good morning. Hi, Pacia. Stan Hope. I hope you're having a great day.

[00:20:20]Anthony Lendo, two-bedroom house with a white picket fence, two kids, and a wife. Is this a song? Is this like the beginning of a country song? I hear a twang of a guitar.

[00:20:35]I don't Maybe I'm morning. Hey honey, I almost certainly missed the beginning of a conversation.

[00:20:41]I am supremely confident that's not how you kicked in the door. I'm just guessing. The North American dream. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, it kind of was. It was. It used to be the North American dream. I mean, really, in a way, it was it was the imposed upon us North American dream, if you will. Sort of.

[00:20:58]Sort of. Anyway, atheist mechanic threw $5. Oh, wow. Look at the $5. Thank you for the super J says. Uh, atheism wins.

[00:21:06]All praise the monad.

[00:21:10]What's a monod? What's a mon? Hey, what is a monod?

[00:21:14]I don't know what the monad is. I I may have to look that up. Win a war, Anthony. Oh, win a war. I get it. Yeah.

[00:21:21]Yeah. Win well win a war. I guess technically you're right. I mean I I can't argue with you, Anthony. I mean that's right. That's true. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I can blame it on whatever I want to and go, "Oh, it's because of this and because of this." But you're not wrong.

[00:21:36]It doesn't matter why it was like that.

[00:21:39]It was like that. And especially to some boomers like us, it kind of still is. We still see that way. I mean, the goal for us is a twocar garage, a house, a brick home probably if you're my age. Um, you know, a nice little yard with some dog.

[00:21:55]I mean, really, that's kind of the And the money to travel.

[00:22:00]Uh so yeah, you're you're not wrong. The younger generation has a different idea of what a normal regular home is. That's okay. That's okay. It's it is a lot of uh I want to say Christian puritanical stuff that gets us with the husband and wife and only husband. I mean it leads from the uh you know a husband and wife and a perfect two kid. Wait, it's got to be a husband and wife. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Kind of gets like that. You know what I mean? They get like that.

[00:22:29]Um, Vicki says, "You know, I sometimes people, my friends, sometimes people say things and I don't understand them. Sometimes I take my glasses off when I see things I don't understand."

[00:22:50]But I think I get this. Uh, Vicku says, "Women are too complicated to just fart them into existence.

[00:22:57]Men are simple creatures.

[00:23:01]You know, at first I thought it was a slight on women until I kind of got into the sentence. I was like, "Oh my goodness, this is where this is going."

[00:23:07]And once again, I have to throw out there to a person in the audience.

[00:23:12]You're not wrong, my friend. You're not wrong.

[00:23:17]Have you heard of the Venus Project? Not off hand. Um, I'm not It's not familiar to me right off the hand. I can look it up, but I'm not going to right now. Um, I recently heard I recently heard about this uh well, I mean I've heard about the the the divine command theory obviously, but there's this jack I mean individual who goes around debating people about it. His name is his name is his name is Andrew Wilson apparently and apparently uh some theists have latched on to his arguments. He has a very I mean very compelling method. I mean go watch my friend. I mean go watch this Christian apologist. I mean he's I mean his method is clear and unmistakable and direct.

[00:24:08]He will use weak arguments. He will ignore the good arguments and things that come from his opponent. And then once he starts losing, it is clear, direct, and predictable that he will suddenly and very directly go ad homonym on whoever he's debating. He is an absolute piece of [ __ ] And his whole deal, hey Andrew, if you're watching, man, sorry # truth. But you know his his kind of deal is that Christianity in all its flaws and forms. I guess na Christian nationalism specifically is better than secular humanism somehow. I don't really know how he gets that but I mean again it's a matter of perspective. It's you're two people arguing for I'm I'm going this is red and you're going this over here is green and this is red and this over here is green. It's it's just kind of hard to say the same thing. Um because we we work by different moral sets. So I can sit here and say well Christian Christian nationalists are bad for society because they immediately start hurting people like trans people or gay people. They immediately start going after and trying to oppress these people. That's my perspective. As a secular humanist who believes everybody needs to be treated equally and morally and all that other business. However, as a theists, as a Christian, you're working mostly, not all of you, on a different moral set. You're not working on the same moral set I am. So to you in your framework, what you do is right and is good and you're not oppressing people. You're trying to either help them stop whatever madness they're in or what whatever you think you're doing.

[00:25:54]You know what I mean? You see the difference though?

[00:26:02]I don't feel wrong. Sometimes I get wrong. Uh, but now you I mean, you know, at first you had my curiosity.

[00:26:11]Now you have my attention.

[00:26:14]Hold on, B. One second. One second.

[00:26:18]I don't know. Let me look. Let me look.

[00:26:20]Let me look. I don't want to tell you what I'm looking up just in case it's something stupid.

[00:26:25]I don't want to. Let's see. Uh oh.

[00:26:31]Are we talking about the same thing?

[00:26:34]David David Fino. David Fino. You must obviously be David Fino from Married with Children because your name is Fino.

[00:26:41]Anyway, Fino 5. Thank you. Um, the Venus Project is a project about uh this says at least um designing human habitats to simultaneously enhance well-being.

[00:26:55]I mean, is it I I could I that's very broad. Just that alone is very broad.

[00:27:02]That that could mean anything from a a Fallout shelter. Um, you know what I mean? But I I would want to know more.

[00:27:11]I'm all about that sort of thing. I would Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I don't know. I'd have to learn more. It's not what I thought it was. I thought it was going to be some kind of Seven Mountains mandate [ __ ] or something.

[00:27:21]So, thank you for not hitting me with something like that early this morning.

[00:27:24]Uh, let's see.

[00:27:27]Spila Fett, good morning. How are you doing? Tinfoil hatw wear. You know nowadays cereal is so sweet. So, I wonder is cereal nowadays just dessert s you know tinfoil hatear wear?

[00:27:41]That is a fantastic question.

[00:27:49]thinking I think it has all the qualifications. I don't even think it has to be all that sweet, does it? It just has to be have animal protein, fluid, and uh the intent for it to be something to eat like like you can't really call the ocean soup.

[00:28:05]Well, technically you could, but you wouldn't eat soup. So, you would need the ocean like that. So, it's also it's a matter of what it is and the intent.

[00:28:13]Worst alkai taught me that. Anyway, let's see here.

[00:28:26]It may be an economy of wording. CM Why don't evangelical is often Christian?

[00:28:41]Don't want anyway 10fold hatwear. Yeah.

[00:28:43]All right. So tful hat wear. I don't know about none of that other stuff.

[00:28:46]Let's talk for just a moment about stupid. Let's talk about something else.

[00:28:49]Let's talk about something else. You know, we all Oh, we're just going to have fun mentally for a moment. We all We all heard these conspiracy theories about this like billionaire pedo ring that controlled the world secretly behind the scenes and that all the rich people were behind it and it was crazy. Of course, we were always told it was the Democrats and the liberals, but it was actually almost certainly almost exclusively conservatives and right-wing people, but not all.

[00:29:18]Can't say it's all of them, right? Can't say that. But, but I mean, but but wait, it turned out to be true. This horrific conspiracy theory that everybody was like, "No, there's no way." I mean, if the things I've learned about the thing, we're talking about how they it wasn't just sexual relations.

[00:29:41]It was torture, death, paid for. I mean, it was all kinds of weird horrific horrific things just just like the conspiracy theory said. This wasn't who they said. In fact, turns out, as my understanding, a lot of that stuff was started on 4chan intentionally by Jeffrey Epstein and some other guy specifically to point it in the other way because it was already coming up and they were trying to point it to other people. Go look it up for yourself. Um, it's just kind of really interesting. So now that that that has become a thing, you know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist kind of person generally, but now I just kind of have to ask myself, well, is there any other conspiracy out there that conspiracies theory that was just so stupid and ridiculous that but it really is true? Is I mean, is that is it is it possible? I mean, Are lizard people really controlling the world?

[00:30:51]Can we Can we rip the face off Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton and they'll be like green lizard people under there?

[00:30:56]That's what I'm waiting for to happen next. Oh my god, it would just be so much better for our world if we found out that human beings weren't as shitty as Donald Trump and some of his mega people could be. It was just that they were being controlled by an evil overlord species of aliens that were Oh my god, that would just be water.

[00:31:12]Instead, they're being controlled by Benjamin Netanyahu and the Zionist Israeli government. Did I say that out loud? I did. Uh, if you can't tell my name. Yeah. No, I got it.

[00:31:23]Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I used to kind of kind of enjoy this conspiracy theory. But anyway, uh, John Hudson, Trump said Trump said, "I don't give a [ __ ] Start a war. I don't want the Epstein files released.

[00:31:36]That's true. And then really kind of I I don't really guess they even care anymore. Does it seem he cares? I don't I mean if they open the full Epstein files, who's going to do anything? And this is something I've been saying for a while now. This is a little bit of a song I've been singing and nobody's been listening. But Donald Trump has been doing some horrific, horrific, horrific things in office. things that anybody else would have been drugged out of that [ __ ] place a long time ago, but he hasn't been. And now, who's there to do it? Who Who's going to who's going to do that? Who Who's going to drag him out? Nobody, apparently. So, what happens whenever they lose the coming election? And he just refuses to leave office. Who's going to make him leave?

[00:32:26]Anybody? Just There's nobody. there's nobody can make him leave. I mean, outside of the people and you know, of course, the the rich and the governments and all that want you to say that always want us to spread the word that violence is never the answer, especially political violence, of course, right? You will look throughout history that and discover that no tyrant has been turned over without it.

[00:32:51]No fascist regime has ever been taken down with a vote.

[00:33:00]Me burrito son of Bueno. Let's see. Can Spear win? I want to do what? Let me do Wait a second. I want to see something else here. Let me check something.

[00:33:10]Yeah, maybe. Yeah, let's see what I got over here. Okay, it's not that. It's not that. It's not that. It's not that. I was looking for something.

[00:33:19]Oh, no. No. We won't do that. Let's go back to here. Sorry, guys. Sorry. Sorry.

[00:33:23]Sorry. Sorry.

[00:33:26]Let's go here. Today's world is confusing, and there's too much information for one person to make sense of it all. Which credit card should I pay off first? Is non-fat milk good for me? Who should I vote for? Let's face it. If you can't figure out highinterest milk, then how can you be expected to make political decisions that influence a country of over 325 million people?

[00:33:48]Well, that's why there's fascism.

[00:33:50]Fascism is the political, social, and economic system for today's world. The Miriam Webster dictionary defines fascism as a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. severe economic and social regimentation and forcible suppression of the opposition. Choose this ideology and life will be easy. Did you ever look at someone who uses really big words and think, "I wish those libs would just disappear." Well, under fascism, your dreams can come true. Under fascism, you won't have to worry about the pesky little things like brown people or atheists or who in your country is entitled to basic human rights and who is not. Hint hint, the answer is nobody.

[00:34:37]Yes, friends. This truly is the final solution you've been looking for. And if you're concerned if this form of authoritarianism will be up to your high standards, don't worry. American fascism will be the best fascism in the world because it's been endorsed by Jesus. So go out and destroy freedom and democracy by getting fascism today. Paid for by the Fioconservative Party, formerly known as the GOP.

[00:35:05]All right, I got a couple of things to say real quick. First of all, thank you to Kelly Shear says, "A couple of months ago, I said I was going to debate Andrew. I was wrong. I'm not a good debater." I'm not either. Neither is he, apparently. But really enjoy your show.

[00:35:22]Thank you, um, Miss Kelly. And maybe there are bigger fish to fry. Very true.

[00:35:27]Um, yeah, Andrew's a you we see his arguments come through here. We see them. Now that I know who he is, I'm now I'm like, "Oh yeah, that's why these jackasses keep coming in here and say that stuff." Because they listen to him.

[00:35:42]Now, Veritoss Sojourer, I got you. Let me help you out here. I'm going to I'm going to explain something to you, my friend, real quick. It's going to hurt. If there's a smart person around, you might want to go call them so they can explain it to you.

[00:35:59]Veritoss says, "A transitional fossil is the fossil evidence of a creature changing from one species to another.

[00:36:04]There should be millions of these. There are none. You're not going to believe this.

[00:36:10]I know you're not going to believe this.

[00:36:16]Every fossil is a transition from one creature to another. From one it's moving from one.

[00:36:26]We are all transitional from one thing to another.

[00:36:30]We are all transition. This I know that's that's not going to make sense to you. This it's almost maybe this will make sense if you're you know maybe got the mentality of a six-year-old or something. This is not our final form.

[00:36:45]We're like Pokemon. We'll have another form. We are transitional fossils between what we were and what we will be. Now, that said, I know you're not going to believe that. If you stop and think about it, though, just look around and think about it. They're all transitional fossils. Every one of them. Now, you're kind of expecting like something stupid with like a a snake to have leg bones or something, right?

[00:37:10]Well, they do. Yeah, they do have snakes with leg bones. You can go find them.

[00:37:16]You can go find it. Go look.

[00:37:19]Or maybe even something like whales.

[00:37:21]whales with leg bones.

[00:37:24]They do have leg bones. They do. They They There are literally transitional f fossils right there. They're vestigual left in these creatures that they no longer use that they used to use. It's right there. You just don't want to see it or you're incapable of seeing it.

[00:37:45]I don't know.

[00:37:48]But you're saying there are none.

[00:37:52]There are none and there should be millions. And I'm telling you they are all all transitional be with a billion.

[00:37:59]If it's a fossil, it's not that that you're acting like that's like the inform of what everything is going to be. We are all going to be something else. Unless of course you're alligator and you hit the perfect form. Your final form was like the perfect form for your environment. You can go millions of years like that.

[00:38:16]But I mean, dude, go find a human fossil from, you know, 100,000 years ago.

[00:38:23]That's a transition. Go find a human fossil from 100 years ago. That's a transitional thought. I mean, I just don't know that I've got the patience or the crayons really.

[00:38:35]But I hope you get it. I do hope you get it. Kelly, again, thank you for the $50 super chat. I appreciate you. And you know, okay. Okay. I remember now you talking about the Andrew. That's the jackass. Okay. and his whole deal is essentially my understanding from what little I've watched is that it's about divine command theory. Yeah.

[00:38:54]I was watching him debate Richard Carrier and he was like, "So, you are for prostitution, legal prostitution?" And Richard's like, "Well, yeah. Yeah."

[00:39:07]And it was like, "Right there. Right there." you know, and well, Richard Gary was like, well, in states that have made it legal, they got services and protections and regulations and the STD levels go down, the rape levels go down, the abuse levels go down. Legalizing prostitution is better for society.

[00:39:29]We we got evidence, you know, I mean, even other countries have evidence relating to Holland. Look at you, Holland.

[00:39:38]So, there's that. And at that point, it's like, "You're a dumb son of a bitch." And he just starts calling names. Anyway, um let me see here.

[00:39:45]Another $10. Thank you the to the atheist mechanic. Ball pythons have vestigial legs around their cloica.

[00:39:51]Talking dirty to me. Um they can use them for mating purposes. The argument that transitional fossils don't exist is dumb and lazy. Thank you for the $10. I know, man. It's like really, man. I I hope the individual stayed around long enough to see and understand every fossil is transitional.

[00:40:11]You're again, you're expecting to see a cat [ __ ] out a dog or something and that's just stupid. If you believe something like that, like like a bird should [ __ ] out an alligator or an alligator should [ __ ] out a bird because they're both like reptiles or dinosaur, you know what I mean? Then you're an idiot. Nobody believe. Nobody.

[00:40:30]Nobody in the real scientific world thinks that. They know how both micro and macroeolution works.

[00:40:39]You don't. Christians. You've been misled. Not not that it's your fault necessarily. You have been mis if you're coming in here and you're saying things like there are no such thing as you didn't come up with that [ __ ] on your own.

[00:40:51]You didn't come up with that on your own.

[00:40:53]No, you you bought into some other religious nut bags lies to be fair.

[00:40:58]Are you going to continue to buy those lies? Are you Did they use the faith your faith your your ability to set aside reason and to be a [ __ ] on purpose? Your ability to intentionally dumb yourself down or faith as we call it to convince you that. Is that how that is that how it works? Oh, hi there Angie Holmes. How are you doing Angie Holmes?

[00:41:22]I hope you're still here before. Thanks for fighting against evolution.

[00:41:32]Damn you evolution.

[00:41:35]Angie Holmes says Jesus is calling you.

[00:41:38]Remember Paul. Okay. I hope you're still here. Angie, I would just like to tell you a couple of things that you should know.

[00:41:49]One is that Jesus didn't teach to people who weren't Jews.

[00:41:55]Remember remember that woman that he called a dog and wouldn't heal her because she wasn't a Jew. And he was like, "For me to heal you and your or your daughter, actually, for me to heal you would be like throwing scraps of food that were meant for the children to the dogs." So Jesus didn't teach to the poor to the to anybody. He didn't teach to the Gentiles really necessarily at all, did he?

[00:42:18]Neither did the other disciples whenever Jesus was gone. You know who did though?

[00:42:22]Paul.

[00:42:24]But Paul was a gentile, wasn't he? I mean, wasn't he? But then he became a But but wait a second. Paul never met Jesus. Paul never met Jesus. So why would I remember Paul when he never met Jesus? At best, years after the event, Paul went and spent a couple of weeks with Peter.

[00:42:46]best couple of weeks at best. He even says so in his writings. He never met Jesus in person. If you go look Miss Angie, you will read and learn that Jesus taught a message of loving God and fearing God, believing in God, loving and worshiping God.

[00:43:09]Paul taught a message of worshiping Jesus, right?

[00:43:16]not worshiping God, worshiping pretty much Jesus. That's why you think Jesus is God, but he's not God.

[00:43:23]But you think so because Paul had to make himself so. And you can even go read and you learn for yourself that Paul talks about how he went to spend time with the apostles. He I think he met two of them and spent time with Peter. And during that time it was established that the two apostles that he met with would continue teaching the church or the message to the Jews and that Paul was then going to he was in charge of being the guy teaching the Gentiles.

[00:43:51]So essentially a guy who never met Jesus who teaches a different message than what Jesus taught was given permission to teach it to people that Jesus wouldn't teach it to.

[00:44:05]Isn't that interesting?

[00:44:08]And there's another little thing I just want to kind of throw out there real quick for you. You know, yeah, G Jesus said, "Absolutely hate your prop friends." Yeah. Um, thank you for I'm going to do this real quick. Let me get that off there, Miss Angie. And Oh, okay. Yes. Uh, Jesus was a virgin. He was nailed. Wasn't a virgin. He was Hey, that's funny. Silence says Jesus wasn't a virgin. He was nailed by at least three Romans.

[00:44:35]It's possible. I don't know. I mean, the joke is funny, but it is possible his mother may have been nailed by at least one of them, one Roman.

[00:44:46]You mean there may have been a Roman in the in the wood pile? Is that how they say? Is that the phrase? Yeah. Yes. It may have been that Jesus's father was a Roman named Panteras.

[00:45:06]and the whole he she was actually betrothed to Joseph and had an affair with this other guy. And so we came up with this whole mess and at one point Joseph was even willing he's like I I didn't have nothing to do with this and then he softened his heart to her and was possible that there was at least one Roman in there. Kobe presents there is zero evidence that disproves the Bible.

[00:45:36]Kobe, did you just get here? Are Are you new to the channel? I'm thinking. Um, I have something for you. I have something. I'm going to give give you something that is going to disprove the Bible.

[00:45:50]Would you like that or no? If you don't want to, let me know. I just won't waste my time. But if you want to, let me know and I'll give you something that disproves the Bible.

[00:46:02]Be not afraid of the words of the serpent.

[00:46:06]For the Lord will protect you.

[00:46:13]I love ignorant people.

[00:46:17]Is that Donald Trump? All right. So, here we go.

[00:46:21]Which chat are you in, my ignorant Christian friend?

[00:46:28]Uh, let me see. I'm not sure which, you know, actually I heard that recently that YouTube is going to uni unify their two stream things instead of us having to do it separate and so I'll have unified chats. I won't have to go through all this crap one of these days.

[00:46:45]Aha, there it is. Colby.

[00:46:48]Yeah. All right, Colby. So, I'm going to just post it in both channels. So, go here. Now, you might get like a security warning. That's just what it is. Um, go here.

[00:46:57]lying forjesus.com. I'll even put it up on the screen for you to ignore publicly.

[00:47:02]Now, at this place that is taking you to what you'll find is this. I will show you because I'm a nice guy. That's how I am. I will show you.

[00:47:15]There we go. So, here I'm going to share screen. I'm old and I'm running this [ __ ] by myself. So, give me a break.

[00:47:22]I'm old. Share. So, here you go. Now you can see what I'm seeing here. This is a website I have just directed you to.

[00:47:28]Fear not, it won't hurt you. It might bite a little bit.

[00:47:35]Ah, there we go. Okay. So, as you can see, this is a website. It is called lying forjesus.com. And these are the Bible contradictions.

[00:47:45]So, there's a lot of Bible contradicting the Bible.

[00:47:54]It's very own but I hope you can see that. Can you see that? You may not be able to see my mouse running over the thing. But yeah, go look at that website. All this is Yeah, it's not moving. Wife forth art thou not moving.

[00:48:08]Hold on, let me do this.

[00:48:14]I don't know broken. Anyway, go to that go to that website and you shall see.

[00:48:21]Go there.

[00:48:23]It's true. Go there and you'll see all kinds of contradictions. Absolutely all kinds of contradictions. I will tell you something. Um, there is zero evidence that disproves the Bible. Well, let's start, if you want to, and I know you're really going to hate this. Let's start with the Adam and Eve story. If the Adam and Eve story were true, we should be able to look back in the fossil record and see nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. poof. Humans, shouldn't we?

[00:48:57]So, since that's not the case, the Bible claims, at least according to some Christians, that [ __ ] Did my internet go down?

[00:49:11]Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.

[00:49:14]We're back. Sorry. I thought I was smite by the Lord.

[00:49:17]You never know with my my internet.

[00:49:19]Anyway, so um yeah, there there's all kinds of evidence that disproves the Bible. The Bible makes claims that it cannot prove. The Bible claims that Moses and like 2 million people I guess they estim I don't know a bunch of bunch of bunch of Jews um moved from Egypt to the Holy Land, promised land all at once in a matter of you know months or whatever years I guess. Uh but but you know what I mean? There's no there's zero archaeological evidence of that. None. You can even go back and go to the Israeli archaeological place and look and they will tell you the same thing. Even in Israel, they don't think the story of Moses is real.

[00:50:05]So your Bible has just been disproven.

[00:50:09]But then we can go on. We have scientific evidence. we have I mean you know sometimes there is a lack of evidence we don't normally say is evidence for something normally like for example the lack of contemporary evidence for Jesus because nobody who was around at the time wrote about him doesn't mean he didn't exist but you can't say that with everything can you it doesn't really work that way does it because here's something I'll give you an example of the great flood we can look back through the the the archaeological record and see an absence of evidence for a worldwide flood. There was no worldwide flood. The story of Noah never happened.

[00:50:59]You [ __ ] know that, right, Kobe?

[00:51:01]You're not four, are you?

[00:51:06]Do we even need to talk about um Jonah?

[00:51:11]Do we need to talk about Jonah?

[00:51:14]Hey, Kobe, maybe you can get your mom to come make you a sandwich or something.

[00:51:18]Take you. You should be watching cartoons. This show is clearly way too grown up for you. Um, Timothy says, "The Roman Empire wrote the Bible." Timothy, I'm going to briefly only briefly split split a hair with you. The Roman Empire wrote the Christian Bible. It's a New Testament. Possibly. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if that was if we if that was proven out. Yeah. I mean, why would they write it down in [ __ ] Greek? Why wouldn't it be in That's a whole different conversation right there. Um, let's see here.

[00:51:56]You, my friends, are wonderful. I very much appreciate your time and thank you again for the super chats. Um, one of the things that I've talked about, let's see here. Oh, okay. Okay.

[00:52:07]Okay. Okay.

[00:52:09]The Bible was written by the Romans.

[00:52:11]Okay. That's kind of a Some of it was.

[00:52:14]Some of it may have been possibly.

[00:52:17]Terless says, "Stand with Israel." Um, no. No, I don't think so. I mean, here's the deal. Turpp in Israel, you have, like we have in the United States, a leftwing and a rightwing party. Pardon the the the descriptors, but you know what I mean.

[00:52:40]And in Israel, they have what we would call like our mega party, the far right-wing hard conservative party.

[00:52:47]That's the Zionists. They are currently in charge of Israel.

[00:52:54]And I'm not going to stand with them.

[00:52:55]They're they're [ __ ] They're murdering babies, murdering people, innocent people.

[00:53:01]But that's not Israel, right?

[00:53:05]stand with Israel, the people of Israel who are not part of this group because this group who are doing these things does not represent all of Israel. Um, so I I am against the genocide being committed by the Zionist controlling.

[00:53:20]It's like it's like like here in the United States.

[00:53:24]It's like here in the United States.

[00:53:25]It's like Donald Trump. You may not know this, but accordingly that my understanding is the cuts made by Donald Trump and Elon Musk, just USA aid is going to cost almost 30 million lives over a period of 5 years.

[00:53:43]Do you stand with the United States? Do do you blame all of us in the United States? Are we all responsible for those deaths?

[00:53:51]I mean, there was a good portion of us who actually built that up to help those people.

[00:53:56]and control those nations. I ain't going to [ __ ] lie to you. The USA aid is also part of a soft power campaign. Yes, it did feed people. It did help the people, but it was also a tool that we could take away if a country wasn't playing nice with us. So, I can't lie that it wasn't completely, you know, up and up. But they weren't openly starving and killing people.

[00:54:22]Donald Trump will do that. Anyway, uh let me do this thing here.

[00:54:28]I want to check and see. But slurp derp.

[00:54:30]Uh yeah, so I stand with people. Uh currently, matter of fact, you know, we could even talk about the Gaza thing and the whole Gaza and the the the the people who are there, the the Gazins who are there. And there's also the Hezbollah and these other people that are there. We can talk about that. And that I mean I I am for the people of Gaza, but any hard right-wing religious military government group I am not with. I I so I support the people of Gaza, but I don't support Hezbollah or or you know, I'm not obviously familiar enough with all the the groups over there to to do that. But but you see what I mean? I I I know who's bad and who's not bad. Um, so did they say they were stupid? Is that what happened? Let me see. I got to see it. I got to see it. Wait, wait, wait.

[00:55:24]Hold on a second. Wait. Bear with me. We just had this happen. I hope this is perfect.

[00:55:31]I don't know what you're talking about then. You're too smart for me. Must be too smart for me.

[00:55:38]Um, you know, leftwing Israelis are just as genocidal. All the data shows us. I I don't think you'd be able to prove that.

[00:55:45]I think you're just a [ __ ] liar.

[00:55:49]That's what I'm saying. I think you're a liar. I think you made it up. I don't think you could find a single statistic or research study that could prove that.

[00:55:56]Could you? Now, it's up to you, my friend. You made the accusation. I've called you out on it. You have the opportunity here in my chat to post the links to genuine studies if you have them or you can slink away slink away as the liar that you are.

[00:56:13]However, that being said, we got to split a hair, man. We got to split a hair. If you're talking about left-wing Israelis as far as religious Jews or religious Christians who are also Israelis, then yeah, they probably are going to saddle just as much as the rest of the Christians or the religious people. But if you're just talking about the average normal left-wing Israeli, they are I doubt very much they're genocidal. However, there there are also other circumstances I think that that over there that need to be considered that really we don't consider here from from our standpoint enough to be fair. I mean to be fair to me and to be fair to you, right? I mean maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe you're wrong.

[00:57:01]The things over there are complicated.

[00:57:04]You know, uh the the people of Israel or the Zionists of Israel, there's nobody to defeat to defend the people in Gaza. The all the government's been destroyed. The only people who are there to defend them are Hezbollah, right or wrong? You know what I mean? So now that's great. Hezbollah is a wonderful organization when they're defending people, but whenever Hezbollah has power and they're enforcing their power, inflicting their Islamic beliefs on other people, then everything [ __ ] it's complicated. It's complicated.

[00:57:36]Anyway, um I doubt very much. I am keen and eager to see those studies though. I would like to see that from you if you can find them.

[00:57:45]about the left wing is again though I got to tell you I'm a leftwing liberal nutagen all my life and if I had if in my youth my father had been killed by let's say Hispanic Mexicans from Mexico and then my brother had been cons and I was raised up even though I'm a let everybody live even though all these people were harmed by this group of people regardless of the intentions of the group of people or what happened to that group of people beforehand. Maybe we attacked the Mexicans and then they attacked us back and now I have this bitter thing for Hispanics or Mexicans and yet I am a liberal. See, I mean it can get complicated. So you I mean I wouldn't actually be surprised little surprised as you know theistas tend to be dishonest but I I wouldn't be surprised overly surprised if you were right and I could see why they would be because of the constant bloody strife they're subjected to on both sides. So that they just face things over there that we I don't think we face over here.

[00:58:52]We we don't have the experience or the understanding you know really. I wish Ryan Kiltastic, you know, were here to give us her thoughts on it cuz she she she's from her her her her lineage is from that place. She has friends in history and it's just I don't know enough about it to speak on it really.

[00:59:11]Let's see why true evolution says William Graves. Well, William um because it is. Now, here's the deal, William. I got you, man. I got you with We've got all the evidence. billions of pieces of evidence, fossilized evidence, living evidence, transitional fossils, because remember my friends, they're all transitional.

[00:59:35]Um, you know, it's like arthropithicus was between this one anyway. So, you know, so we we've got all the evidence we need, all of it, and you deny it over and over and over again with the level of ignorance is just it's really your commitment to your ignorance, I have to say, is stunning. I I I have to take my hat off to you and at least your commitment to it. And yet you still failed to bring any evidence that can debunk the entire field of evolutionary science.

[01:00:07]Nor do you bring any evidence to back up your own claims, whatever they may be.

[01:00:13]Because again, if your claims were true, then we shouldn't see any human skeletons before what, five or six or however many thousands of years ago, right? But you can't prove anything. You ain't got no evidence. Zero evidence.

[01:00:25]You have no evidence of your claims at all. We have actual evidence of our claims. Billions of pieces. You just want to go, "No, no, no, no, no. It's not true." And I can't help you for that. That's on you.

[01:00:40]Why the government saves your asses. I mean, you're using English and you're putting all the words together and it sounds like coherency, but whenever you stop and look at the big picture.

[01:00:49]I'm just curious. Have you have you not taken your meds today or are you okay?

[01:00:55]How about this? 1% of something ain't that something.

[01:00:59]Nobody meets anyone's standards.

[01:01:01]Political identity BS. Good morning, JCH. Oh, you know, I don't know what 1% of I don't know what you know. I got to say I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, I see. I see you guys are talking about this. You have a conversation going on, my friends. I see. Um, you guys are you're going off on each fell. All the arguments they bring up are extraneous to the bare theism claim.

[01:01:28]Oh, anyway, you can say God Jonathan doesn't exist when you don't even know. How can you say God I got to I got to highlight this stupidity. Pardon me. How can you say God doesn't exist when you don't even know if God exists?

[01:01:55]I'm going to let you sit with that for just a minute. Let me put that up again.

[01:01:58]How can you say God doesn't exist when you don't know if God exists?

[01:02:08]Maybe I should take my stroke medicine.

[01:02:10]All right, listen.

[01:02:13]Yeah, my friends.

[01:02:16]Here's the deal. Here's the deal.

[01:02:20]You have to prove your claim that your God exists.

[01:02:26]That's what has to happen. You have to bra prove that a god exists. If right, you have to prove it. I can't prove that something that doesn't exist doesn't exist. You can't [ __ ] do that. I mean, right? How could you do that? God doesn't exist. Prove God doesn't exist.

[01:02:41]You have to prove God exists. So, that's the challenge is on you. You're making the claim that there is a powerful God creature everywhere who has power yet never uses it. Who can do anything yet does nothing.

[01:02:54]yet loves our life but is waiting for us to die.

[01:02:58]You're the one who has to prove it. When you prove that, then we're the ones that go, "No, that then we have to disprove it." So, for example, you come to me tomorrow and you go, "Look at this piece of evidence I have found that says that God creature is real." And then it's my at that point you now have proven that your god creature is real. It's my job then to disprove your god creature is real. You've made the claim. You've backed it up with evidence. And now at this point it would then be my job to disprove the evidence which you have not made. You've not made you can't make any evidence. If there were evidence of a god creature everybody would believe already but there's not. Right? So that's how that works. And all you have done so far is you've gone, "Here's this evidence that I have for the God creature." Okay. So, you've made the claim. I said, "I don't believe." Now, you prove your evidence.

[01:03:58]Now, provide your evidence. Now, I look down into your hand and in your hand, the evidence you have is like some feces and some twigs and some sticks or some business.

[01:04:11]Then at that point, I go, "Well, no, this is not a god creature. This is not proof of a god creature. It's just your own feces and some twigs.

[01:04:21]And therefore, this see how that works.

[01:04:23]Now, if I were to go and look in your hand and go, "Oh my god, there's a God creature there. I mean, it's real and true and it's holy and it knows what I need to see in order to believe. It's right there." That's but right. No, but that doesn't happen. You bring evidence, we disprove it, if it's even worth trying to disprove.

[01:04:44]You know, like the Shroud of Turin. You probably almost came as soon as I said it. It's cute that some of you guys still argue about the Shroud of Turin. I mean, it's cute in a four-year-old kind of way.

[01:04:55]It's not only that that we have scientific evidence, real scientific evidence that says it's only about what from the 1100s, 1200s, something like that. Yeah, that's what the the evidence and we even have contemporary writing. And for those Christians who don't know what that means, that means people who actually lived at the time that it was allegedly created or happened or whatever. So for example, there were no contemporary writings that Jesus ever existed.

[01:05:29]Okay, Tacitus doesn't count. Josephus don't count. They were like 60 to 100 years after Jesus. They don't count.

[01:05:34]There was no contemporary writings.

[01:05:36]However, with this other one, we have a contemporary writing.

[01:05:47]Did I lose you?

[01:05:49]This is factually not true. What? Which part? You got to go on, man. I've been talking a lot and my [ __ ] my internet's falling out today.

[01:05:57]You're a babbling idiot. Well, at least you got the you're right. Thank you. I appreciate that. At least you're not one of those morons. You know, I am actually a babbling idiot. You really though should though. I mean, take your time.

[01:06:08]It's worth it to you, Rivercat. I mean, to look up some of the things I say, you know. I won't lie to you. I do kind of push a lot of cannabis. I filter a lot of cannabis through this brain. So, I tend to forget [ __ ] I do lose my train of thought upon occasion, especially if something happens in the chat that gets my, you know, but um go see if what I'm saying is wrong.

[01:06:33]Test me, you know. I actually I don't think eating on the the stream is very professional. Do you guys? And when I first started doing it, I was like, I don't think this is very professional. But it got so many Christians so pissed off. It was like positive reinforcement. Just the indignation.

[01:06:54]I don't know why, but it's kind of stuck with me ever. So, how can you say God doesn't exist? So, now back I'm sorry, back to my story about the um the shroud of truth. We have contemporary evidence. We have a person who was alive at the time that it came around who said it was a fake, that it was made by somebody. They knew it was a fake half the time it was created and presented to the pope, but they wanted to believe it. They continued to believe it and they just went on believing it despite somebody knowing and claiming, saying it was a fake. They even knew the guy that made it or some of that business. It's been a day or two, lots of kingdoms. But go look.

[01:07:30]Don't listen to me. Go look. Go look.

[01:07:34]And yet you Christians despite all of that will come here and travel to Rivercat says it's easy to make claims when you don't bring on anyone educated in theology debate with you. So, it's sort of like saying it's easy to make claims whenever I don't bring anybody who's an expert in Marvel to talk to me about the Marvel heroes.

[01:08:04]You know, I had I had a phone line where people called in and you're all just [ __ ] morons. I hate to say it really, but you're morons. You'd call in and you're like, "Give me evidence for this thing."

[01:08:14]And I go, "All right, here. Go look."

[01:08:16]And they would just ignore it, blind it, but it didn't matter. I got tired of saying the same thing over and over and over again. I mentioned earlier that Josephus and Tesus don't count as contemporary evidence. One of our last calls, I was already tired of it. We got this call from this jackass and he's going to give us his proof. Here's my real proof. I got real proof. And I'm like, "It's got to be contemporary. It's contemporary." So he goes, "Have you guys heard of Tacitus?" And I'm like, "Fuck no. Tacitus is not real." Tacitus wasn't even born for like 30 to 50 years after Jesus allegedly lived. 30 to 50 years. Then he had to grow up and be an adult before he even allegedly ran into these Christians who said let's talk about hearsay. That does not count. So we went through this whole thing arguing back and forth about that blah blah blah blah. And finally I'm like dude I am done with you. You're an idiot. You're just an you don't even know what contemporary I'm done with you. And he goes all wait let me give you some contemporary evidence. I got it. I got the evidence you need. I said okay. Does it have anything to do with Tacitus or Josephus? And he said, "No." I said, "All right, go ahead and give me your evidence." And he said, "Do you know this Roman this this general named Nero?"

[01:09:21]And I said, "Yes." And he said, "He had this knew this guy named Tacitus." And I was like, "Motherfucker, see what I mean? What do you want me to debate about? Do you want me to debate about the Bible?" Because what I usually talk about is the Bible. Let's talk about the Bible. Are you going to debate me on whether or not Jesus Christ himself admits that he is going to come back and gather up people like Hitler and put them into a furnace and burn them?

[01:09:49]You want to debate on that? Okay. Okay.

[01:09:54]Matthew chapter 13.

[01:09:57]Oh, wait. You didn't think I had scriptures, did you? Darn. Yeah. Matthew chapter 13. I'm even getting to where I can remember the verse, everything. It's just getting good with me.

[01:10:09]Do you remember that time, my ignorant Christian friend, Rivercat, where Jesus is actually telling people how much to beat their slaves? Do you remember that?

[01:10:18]That if it's a if it's a slave who knew he did wrong, beat him with many blows.

[01:10:23]But if it's a slave who didn't know he did wrong, beat him with few blows.

[01:10:29]There's Jesus. Would you like the scripture for that? I'm sure you would.

[01:10:31]Hold on a second. Um, first one is Matthew 13. I want to give you for that other one. I believe it's 13. Matthew 13, Matthew 13:41-42.

[01:10:45]Jesus Christ says, and he's referring to himself when he says the son of man, the son of man will send out his angels and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. So this is Jesus saying he's going to separate out everybody but the right kind of Christian. all of the everybody.

[01:11:03]They will throw them into the blazing furnace where they'll we'll be nashing weeping and nashing of teeth. That's Jesus talking about committing an atrocity that Hitler would just [ __ ] jack off to think about. Right. Right.

[01:11:16]Is that not what that's saying? That's Jesus talking out of his own mouth saying he's going to murder billions of people and throw them into a furnace.

[01:11:24]I'm taking out of context. Oh, I'm taking it out of context. No, you're the guys that take it out of context. That's your specialtity.

[01:11:32]Go read it. I gave you the scripture.

[01:11:34]What are we going to debate about? What would I debate somebody about that? Oh, look. It says it again in the same chapter. Matthew 13:47-50. Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down. Blah blah blah blah blah.

[01:11:45]When it was full, blah blah blah blah blah. They sat down and blah blah blah.

[01:11:48]This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth. How many people are on this planet?

[01:12:01]Let's do this.

[01:12:03]How many people on Earth?

[01:12:08]Let's limit it to Earth. Okay. Allegedly 8.3 billion if you trust the science people. Okay. All right. All right. So, how many Christians are there? How many Christians?

[01:12:22]Okay. Estimated roughly two to 2.4 to 2.6 billion. So let's go 2 and 1/2 for round numbers. 2 and 1/2 to 8. That's 4 and 12 billion people that Jesus and his angels would have to burn in a furnace.

[01:12:49]Jesus Jesus burning people in a f furnace like Adolf Hitler exactly like in fact gathering up those who don't believe the way he and see I was actually generous wasn't I I was quite generous I think I was very generous by giving you the whole 2.5 billion people as Christians yes there probably are that many Christians But Jesus said, "Not all who walk the path will be allowed into heaven." Remember, remember, not everybody who calls my name will be responded to. Not everybody who walks through the doors will make it into heaven. So even a fraction, it's only a fraction of that 2.5 billion Christians that are going to be spared.

[01:13:33]Jesus Christ, according to Matthew, is personally with his angels going to come back and murder billions of people in a furnace.

[01:13:49]Loving, forgiving, merciful, kind.

[01:13:57]Yeah. So, there was that one. Let's see.

[01:13:59]I mentioned that something else. Oh yes.

[01:14:02]Beating your slaves. I I don't want you to think I was lying about you. I believe that one is in Luke. Luke.

[01:14:09]That the right one. A lot of things happen. Oh yes, it's Luke. Luke 12. My ignorant Christian friends.

[01:14:18]And by ignorant, I just mean lack of knowledge, you know? I mean, there's ignorant and which is just a genuine understanding lack of knowledge. And then there's [ __ ] ignorant. And you know who you are.

[01:14:31]Anyway, uh Luke, yeah, the chapter Luke.

[01:14:34]I want to do this first, right? I want to do this first.

[01:14:38]Let's see how it goes.

[01:14:40]Luke.

[01:14:42]Now, this remember friends, this is Jesus commanding violence against a slave.

[01:14:48]Okay. All right. So, I'm But I'm wrong.

[01:14:50]Watch. I'm taking out of context. Jesus is talking and he tells this person in Luke 12:47-48, "The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.

[01:15:07]But the one who does not know and does things deserving of punishment will be beaten with few blows."

[01:15:20]So did Jesus just say to beat an innocent man is that is that or a person innocent person probably did Jesus just say that that if that person was actually innocent in their knowledge of doing something wrong that they should be beaten what about turn the other cheek or forgiveness or love or mercy or any of that but no no beat an innocent slave.

[01:15:40]Now in the chat you're going, "Oh, well they meant a bond slave." Which is like somebody could come and go when they want.

[01:15:47]Lie says [ __ ] lies. If you even started saying something like that, that's a lie. Then you will also will also have our Christian friends out there who will say, "Well, Chris, you said servant." Let's read that again.

[01:15:58]Chris, Chris is so wrong. I will read it to you. Luke 12:47-48. The servant.

[01:16:05]Chris, the servant.

[01:16:09]Yeah. Yeah. But actually, if you go look at the original Greek, it says dulos. The word is dulos, which is um slave.

[01:16:20]Yeah. Slave.

[01:16:23]Slave. Jesus is not only condoning slavery, but actively beating your slaves.

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[01:18:27]All right, I got a couple of things I want to address and I'm going to have to go. I got to call. I want because you know me, I just can't let things go. Um, yeah, Rivercat debate you blah blah blah blah. Jonathan Walden, thank you for proving me right. Jesus Christ could literally stand before people and people would be denying his existence. People would be asking him for identification.

[01:18:46]You know, that's very true because he didn't have any power. He was a liar. He was a con artist at best. When you go look at the go read Mark, you'll it reads like Jesus and like two or three or four people went around pulling a con. You go up there and be sick. I'll come heal you. We'll get money. We'll [ __ ] leave. Go read it. And then read chapter 6. Is it chapter 6? Mark chapter 6. Hold on. Wait. Mark chapter 6.

[01:19:12]Um.

[01:19:16]Is it chapter 6? Maybe it's chapter 7.

[01:19:22]Ah, there's a part where Jesus himself goes into his own hometown and tries to work his miracles.

[01:19:34]But the people, like you say, my friend, the book and Brier, I'm sorry, Jonathan Walton. Jonathan Walton. Like you say, I'm going to put this back up here. You say people today wouldn't believe Jesus his [ __ ] self was literally there in front of his own people in front of his own hometown and they thought he was full of [ __ ] They thought he was full of [ __ ] Hold on, I'll get it for you. I'll read it for you now. And he goes on to say that even says in the verse that g because they didn't believe in him and didn't have faith, Jesus essentially couldn't perform any miracles, all he could do is heal a couple of people.

[01:20:14]Wait a second. Doesn't that sound like that's all they could do with their their little con artist group. I can't bring water out of wine now. I can't split the heavens. I can't do all these things right now because there's real people. But but oh yeah, here's a sick man over here. Let me go heal him.

[01:20:29]Thanks, Bob. Right. That's literally what it sounds like. Let me find the scripture for you because you won't believe me. You won't even believe the scripture. That's the cute part about the whole thing. Let's see. Um I think it's Mark chapter 7.

[01:20:45]Mark 7. Mark 7 is a torpedo from Star Wars.

[01:20:50]Let's see here. Star Trek, I'm sorry.

[01:20:55]One. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait.

[01:21:00]I'm just going to have to do it the oldfashioned way.

[01:21:16]Oh.

[01:21:21]Ah, there we go. There we go. This is the one I need to remember this. Matthew 13:57.

[01:21:30]This is not the only place I think that it says this though. Let's go here.

[01:21:33]1357.

[01:21:39]Listen to this. Okay, here's the deal.

[01:21:41]These are I'm going to read it to you and then I'll explain it to you. Let me start out just by going Jesus went to his own hometown and tried to do his work. Okay.

[01:21:53]When Jesus had finished these par parables, he moved on from there coming to his hometown. He began teaching the people in the synagogue and they were amazed. Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? They asked, "Isn't this the son of the carpenter?

[01:22:13]Isn't this the son of Mary? Aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Aren't all his sisters here with us? Where did this man get all these powers?

[01:22:26]And they took offense at him.

[01:22:28]Wait a second. Jesus rocks into their town literally working miracles and they take offense at him.

[01:22:38]And then it goes on to say, "But Jesus said to them, listen Christians, remember I tell you Jesus is not God. He's a prophet like Moses. You're not supposed to worship Jesus. You're supposed to worship God. Jesus goes on.

[01:22:56]But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home."

[01:23:04]So essentially, oh, oh, last line. And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

[01:23:14]Yeah, he couldn't pull the [ __ ] in front of people who knew him. They're like, "Dude, I know who you are. You're not fooling me with that [ __ ] Get the [ __ ] out of here." And he prophet could not work miracles. Jesus himself calls himself a prophet.

[01:23:30]I'll let y'all sit with that as long as you need to. Like I said, I I got to run. There was there was other comments I wanted to address. Uh here's the deal.

[01:23:38]You cannot have uh Brookenbar says you cannot have justification for objective morality without God. I don't claim object objective morality.

[01:23:46]We don't claim Oh, no. At least I don't claim to have objective morality on my side. I was raised by a group in a civilization society and I got my morals for there. If I were raised as an Aztec 500 years ago, I would have different morals, right? Would I not? If I were raised back in the Middle East, back in like in Tire or I would have a different moral set, right?

[01:24:08]You're the one that makes the claim of having an objective morality and yet every one of your people seem to have that objective morality is different. It can't think for the it has no single unified voice. You claim objective morality, but you can't prove it. If you could prove objective morality, that would mean there was a sing. It's like saying the sun is the objective supplier of light for the entirety of the earth. It's easily to prove. It's You can actually tell that because it's obvious, right? If that were the case, your morality would be as obvious, wouldn't it? You wouldn't have 40,000 different denominations of Christianity.

[01:24:50]How how objective is your morality there? That's just in your own denominions and the the Judaism and the Islam and all that. All that you can't claim objective. You can claim that your God is one thing that you believe in, but you chose it subjectively, didn't you? You chose to be a Christian or to be a Muslim or to be a this. You subjectively chose which god you believe in. You there is no objective morality. And you guys are just [ __ ] idiots for keeping to try to press that button because your idea of objective morality would be divine command theory, right?

[01:25:34]Divine command theory is your objective morality. Which means if God creature says to murder babies, then it is good and holy to murder babies, right?

[01:25:47]So but you're like God doesn't do that.

[01:25:48]He actually does. He does. You know that, right? We I One of my favorite examples is, of course, the the firstborn children of Egypt, the one that God had his angels go and murder.

[01:25:59]Yeah. God loves murdering babies.

[01:26:02]You didn't know that?

[01:26:04]Interesting.

[01:26:08]You know, when you say, "I I didn't know."

[01:26:11]Every time I think, man, you should get that on a a shirt or a hat, maybe tattooed on your face.

[01:26:21]Something. Let me just go here and read our super chats again. Thank you very much for your support, all you wonderful people. Um, wow, you've been throwing some coin at me today. Uh, let's see.

[01:26:30]The atheist mechanic said, "Atheism wins. All praise to the monad for $5."

[01:26:34]Then we have a new subscriber, Theology Detox. Thank you, Theology Detox. What a cool name, man. You're getting over it.

[01:26:41]getting that evil theology out of you, the hate faith of Christianity probably.

[01:26:45]Um, now, uh, we also have Kelly Sheer for $50 said, "A couple of months ago, I said I was going to debate Andrew." I do remember that now. I was wrong. I'm not a good debater, but really enjoy your show, Chris. Maybe there are bigger fish to fry. You know, I I I could see debating someone like that. I mean, really, I could see like if somebody threw coin at me or something, a lot of money, go debate this guy publicly. I I'd probably debate him. I'd probably have as much luck as anybody else, though. I mean, go watch his debates. They throw reason and logic at him. He it bounces right off the guy.

[01:27:17]Whenever whenever the example I used earlier where he's like, "You would approve prostit prostitution." And then Carrier said, "Oh yeah, here's how prostitution regulated and legalized can actually be better for society." And the guy just stood there fumbling his papers like a [ __ ] idiot and didn't know what to say cuz he was wrong and he got slammed wrong right in front of all of his homies. Anyway, on with the business, man. Uh, atheist mechanic says ball pythons have vestigial legs around their cloica. They use them for mating purposes. The argument that transitional fossils don't exist is dumb and lazy.

[01:27:49]Again, we're all transitional fossils.

[01:27:53]All they're all they're all transitional from one thing to another.

[01:27:58]You know, I mean, I can't if Yeah, somebody have to explain that to all Christians. And then um Flockymeister Flockymeister for $5 $2 said, "The Bible doesn't know [ __ ] about our brains about brains. It doesn't really shift for brains those people. And because I see Flocky's name, that does remind me to let you guys know we do a thing on Discord Wednesday nights, 10 p.m.

[01:28:17]Eastern. Go join them. I'm going to put the thing here. Discord. Discord.

[01:28:21]There's a link. Here's another Discord link. And I got I know I got to go.

[01:28:27]Oops.

[01:28:30]I put it in the same chat twice because I'm an idiot. Maybe. No. No, I didn't.

[01:28:34]Okay. Have a good Christmas. All right, guys. I'm off to save the world. I very much appreciate you. Thank you for your support. Send safely, my friends. We'll see you tomorrow. Friday. Friday.

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