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[00:00:00]What do you understand by the term hero and anti-hero? What do we understand by that term?

[00:00:04]>> I'm going to go with the Hercules. If you ever saw the Hercules animation, I'm trying to remember their own definition of a hero.

[00:00:10]>> 20th Century Fox Hercules.

[00:00:13]>> A hero is someone who would willingly >> Yeah.

[00:00:17]>> and generously >> give up his life, his self, his energy, everything >> to make the world a better place.

[00:00:23]>> Yeah. And I think the definition you're looking for or the term, not definition, the phrase you're looking for in Hercules is a true hero is not quantified by the measure of his strength, but by the strength of his heart.

[00:00:35]>> Of his heart.

[00:00:35]>> How do you remember? I was trying to remember that.

[00:00:37]>> Just really catchy.

[00:00:38]>> I've seen it so many times that I can remember the songs, but I couldn't remember that exact line. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:00:42]Yeah. So that that when you define a hero, >> that kind of stuck with me cuz I was a big fan of Hercules. I played the video game. So that that when when it comes to defining a hero that usually stays in my head that it's really how much of really your soul.

[00:00:56]>> Yes.

[00:00:56]>> How big and strong your soul is to really make the world a better place.

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[00:01:15]>> I have been here. Doing what? Sleeping.

[00:01:20]>> Sleeping basically this past week.

[00:01:24]>> That should be my next week. A bit restful.

[00:01:25]>> That's my next week. I just need to relax >> until your phone rings again.

[00:01:29]>> Until the phone.

[00:01:31]>> You know that money must be made. Money must be made.

[00:01:34]>> Dude, that is going up every second.

[00:01:37]>> Jeez.

[00:01:38]>> You don't know the half of it.

[00:01:39]>> I know the half of it because it has been doubled.

[00:01:43]>> Jeez.

[00:01:44]>> Anyway, let's start the show. Hello everyone. How you guys doing?

[00:01:48]>> Really? How are you all doing? Welcome wherever you are watching from or listening from in the world. This is Paul.

[00:01:55]>> I'm badge >> in character.

[00:01:58]>> How have you been really >> man? Man up and down. Up and down.

[00:02:03]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been having some hits back to back. So that feels good >> on multiple platforms. So that feels good. That was good.

[00:02:10]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's been It was a couple of tough months, but things are looking up.

[00:02:15]>> So there's that.

[00:02:17]So weird.

[00:02:17]>> Yeah, >> things are looking up and because things are looking up, you now have a lot to do.

[00:02:22]>> That That's a good thing.

[00:02:23]>> Yeah. So, yeah, that's supposed to be a good thing. It is a good thing, but at the same time, it means you're not sleeping much cuz you're working.

[00:02:28]>> You only have 24 hours in a day.

[00:02:29]>> Yeah.

[00:02:30]>> So, there's that you're happy that thing you finally have a lot of things working out for you, >> but that means you work more, >> which is good, which is good.

[00:02:38]>> There's a lot of time to sleep when we are.

[00:02:42]When >> was the first time you heard that statement? Um I think I was watching a Bond film. Me too. I Yes, it was. Yeah.

[00:02:49]Broan die another day.

[00:02:51]>> Yeah. I ever villain. Yeah. It stop.

[00:02:55]>> You have a point.

[00:02:56]>> Yeah. That's a great line. That's a great line.

[00:02:58]>> Sleeping.

[00:02:58]>> I think it came from a villain.

[00:03:00]>> Yeah.

[00:03:00]>> Speaking of villains.

[00:03:04]>> Speaking of villains, today we are going to be What's the episode?

[00:03:08]Today's episode is about heroes, anti-heroes and why we root for them which is very very timely actually because I I I stumbled on like this interview about with Baron Cranston and he was talking about of course talking about Walter White and he was talking about >> which is a character character from Breaking Bad. You don't even know I don't even know what you're doing.

[00:03:26]>> Great great TV show.

[00:03:27]>> Breaking freaking bad >> and he was talking about when he run into fans >> and he was also talking about how the character was created.

[00:03:34]>> Yes. So he talked about how um just from from the jump how they try to set up the character to be this person you're always going to feel bad for you pity and you hope that something good happens for them because of the cancer >> the his his son being I think he had was it down syndrome what was wrong with his son >> no it wasn't down syndrome it was um a physical >> disability he had a disability then his wife was pregnant struggling with money everything so all those things they gathered all that so that when he starts becoming an anti-hero for the longest time you continue to root for him But the aim was for you not to root for him to the end. Obviously, >> but he would run into Yeah. But he would run into fans that would be like, "You know what?

[00:04:12]>> We were behind you all the way."

[00:04:13]>> All the way.

[00:04:14]>> Like even to the end. And he'll be like, "What is wrong with you?" Like that was it was intentionally written for you not to be behind me all the way, bro.

[00:04:23]>> But but the thing is this, before we delve deep into things, >> what do you understand by the term hero and anti-hero? What do we understand by that term?

[00:04:32]>> I think what's a hero? I'm gonna go with the Hercules. If you ever saw the Hercules animation, I'll try to remember their own definition of a hero.

[00:04:39]>> 20th century Fox Hercules. Yeah.

[00:04:41]>> And if I can remember is if I if I infer um if I just paraphrase, >> a hero is someone who would willingly >> Yeah.

[00:04:51]>> and generously >> give up his life, his self, his energy, everything >> to make the world a better place.

[00:04:57]>> Yeah. And I think the definition you're looking for or the term, not definition, the phrase you're looking for in Hercules is a true hero is not quantified by the measure of his strength, but by the strength of his heart.

[00:05:09]>> Of his heart.

[00:05:09]>> How do you remember that? I was trying to remember that.

[00:05:11]>> Just really catchy.

[00:05:12]>> I've seen it so many times and I can remember the songs, but I couldn't remember that exact line. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:16]Yeah. So that that when you define a hero, >> that kind of stuck with me cuz I was a big fan of Hercules. I played the video game. So that that when when it comes to defining a hero that usually stays in my head that it's really how much of really your soul >> yes >> how big and strong your soul is to really make the world a better place kind of thing. So a true hero is idealistic, is selfless, um very selfless, >> acts in a way or manner that is supposed to ending or encourage the greater good, bring hope to the greater good.

[00:05:46]>> And um what would you say an anti-hero is?

[00:05:48]>> Not the opposite sh >> but >> cuz you definitely not the opposite, but >> I'll say an anti-hero.

[00:05:56]>> Yeah.

[00:05:57]>> He might not bring those things. M >> he wouldn't bring most of the things a hero would bring with the hope and the but he would make the world a better place. He might not be selfless.

[00:06:07]>> Yeah.

[00:06:07]>> But he would make the world better.

[00:06:08]>> A hero does the right things for the right reasons >> primarily. I think it's safe to say that um we think an anti-hero might do the wrong thing for the right reasons or the right thing for the wrong reasons.

[00:06:22]>> Yes. Yes. That's a good way to put it.

[00:06:24]That's a good way to put it.

[00:06:25]>> So why are people drawn to anti-heroes?

[00:06:27]cuz we are bad. All of us are evil. We are terrible people.

[00:06:31]>> Oh my goodness.

[00:06:32]>> And it it allows us channel the evil that is inside us and still feel good about it.

[00:06:37]>> Yeah. I I I think >> something like that.

[00:06:39]>> I don't know. I don't what I what I think.

[00:06:41]>> What do you think?

[00:06:42]>> Yeah. What I think is this, the world isn't the world as we know it, the one we have grown up in >> doesn't deal or trade in moral absolution.

[00:06:58]>> True. True. There a lot of gray areas.

[00:06:59]>> Yes. There there a lot of gray areas.

[00:07:01]And I think that's the thing.

[00:07:02]>> That's we we tend to see a lot of ourselves in these flawed characters.

[00:07:08]True. True.

[00:07:09]>> Take Superman for example.

[00:07:12]growing up as a child >> loved him.

[00:07:14]>> I loved Superman.

[00:07:15]>> Couldn't relate to him though.

[00:07:17]>> But I loved Superman. And the way kids are thought across the world, I want to believe is that um you do good, the world's a certain way. And if you work hard, you do this, you do that, everything will happen the way it's supposed to.

[00:07:31]>> And then you grow up and realize >> grow and realize that, oh my god, the world is not the way our parents had hoped it was when we were in school.

[00:07:38]Mhm.

[00:07:39]>> Things are flawed. Systems are broken.

[00:07:44]>> A lot of bad people are in positions of authority. And this leads to a lot of the populace being jaded >> and confused >> and not knowing why every time they try to do good, things don't seem to work out the way they were thought.

[00:08:00]>> It feels like even the bad people are the ones winning or being rewarded for being bad. Yeah.

[00:08:04]>> Yes. And on some level when we see people decide to rail against the machine or take up arms against a system that's oppressive and corrupt.

[00:08:14]>> Yes.

[00:08:14]>> It's something we can relate to.

[00:08:16]something a lot of people can look at and go, I wish I was this person or I understand why this person is doing this. Because for the longest time, some people have harbored certain inclinations or have certain hopes or dreams that have been suppressed and they see these characters fighting the system, >> winning more often than not >> and changing the narrative.

[00:08:43]>> So, they get to live vicariously through his character. Yeah, true, true, true.

[00:08:47]>> So I I think that's what's happening.

[00:08:48]>> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:08:49]>> Yeah. Especially with >> the climate.

[00:08:54]>> And like if if there's one time we need like a bunch of anti-heroes is now.

[00:08:58]>> Yeah. But on some level, I mean, punisher level stuff.

[00:09:00]>> Think about it on an unconscious level.

[00:09:02]>> Let's take Superman again.

[00:09:04]>> Mhm.

[00:09:06]>> Superman, the way he's designed, he's flawless.

[00:09:09]>> Yeah.

[00:09:10]>> But Superman will act in a way that protects the system. Mhm.

[00:09:16]>> Because Superman views the system >> as good.

[00:09:22]>> Yeah.

[00:09:23]>> If because of the way it was raised.

[00:09:25]>> Yes.

[00:09:27]>> If and we know that all systems even the systems that are really really good flaws and some loopholes because at the end of the day a young man or woman who steals Akara because they are hungry is labeled a thief. But if we're being fair, that individual cannot be classed in the same category as someone a corrupt politician or someone who picks up a gun and goes to rob a bank or murders people to to attain wealth.

[00:10:03]>> But Superman by design will probably also try and lock >> I don't think so.

[00:10:09]>> Maybe not. Maybe not. But on some level you would think that oh you did a bad thing even though there is a reason why you did a bad thing.

[00:10:17]>> But the Superman >> Superman probably would if I'm being unfair. But the truth is Superman probably wouldn't. But the truth is we we see that those type of characters as characters that are very morally absolute.

[00:10:31]>> They think oh it's white and it's black.

[00:10:33]There's no in between.

[00:10:34]>> Yeah. I think tries not to think in white and black these days. the modern version of someone tries to think that way more.

[00:10:41]>> But but anti-heroes >> see the grave.

[00:10:46]>> They're flawed. They are confused. They they they they question themselves.

[00:10:51]They're filled with doubt.

[00:10:53]>> And in the end, even though they might make certain bad decisions, even though they might they might be irritable, they might be >> unpopular.

[00:11:00]>> unpopular, >> their heart more often than not tends to be in the right place.

[00:11:06]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:08]>> And that's why I think a lot of people a lot of people all over the world see these characters, root for these characters, and on some level would like to be these characters.

[00:11:20]>> Yeah. True. What do you think?

[00:11:21]>> True.

[00:11:22]>> Yeah. Cuz one of the problems I've always had with Superman and Batman is that no killing role.

[00:11:25]>> Yeah. I was okay with it when I was much younger obviously but as I grew older like you're not saving anybody to be honest cuz these guys need to go out and before you stop them again they always kill a bunch of people and then you stop them put them in jail they come out kill a bunch of people technically you're the one killing these people at this point cuz if I just killed them >> if you are just taking them out that first time do some punisher level stuff >> problem solved >> yes it's a slippery slope >> when you say punisher you mean the comic book >> the Punisher yeah obviously there's a slippery slope Obviously the villain to kill a monster that has to be taken out. There's that.

[00:12:04]>> But for that time period before you become said monster, you'd have done enough good.

[00:12:08]>> Yeah.

[00:12:09]>> At least that's my own >> point of view about the anti-hero thing.

[00:12:12]>> That's why these heroes, they don't be doing it for me anymore. You're talking from I mean die hard Spider-Man fan.

[00:12:18]>> Yeah.

[00:12:18]>> And still I'm like my [ __ ] we have to we have to start taking some people out.

[00:12:23]We just have to. this holding back is not working for me anymore.

[00:12:25]>> But there's a reason they hold back though.

[00:12:27]>> Yes. Yes. I I I did a deep dive into understanding the mechanics of it and it makes sense >> or there's a reason Spider-Man holds back because The Punisher does not.

[00:12:36]>> Yeah. The comic book it makes sense. But once you bring it to real life, >> none of that makes sense.

[00:12:40]>> Yeah. But now cinematically or storytelling wise, the truth is this.

[00:12:46]There is a way writers, showrunners, directors try to craft anti-heroes to keep the public or the audience on their side >> and they use certain tropes or you know or or literal what's the word what I'm looking for? They use certain tropes or they use certain devices literally gimmicks or devices. And um I think um two that come to mind are flashbacks >> or >> great world building.

[00:13:17]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:13:18]>> And an internal monologue.

[00:13:20]>> Okay. Yeah. That helps. That helps. That helps.

[00:13:22]>> But if they if you are then presented with the with um what's the word I'm looking for now? If you are presented with the the scenario that oh, you're about to lose not just your son but your husband and everything.

[00:13:37]You might decide that the decision you made originally may not be the best course of action.

[00:13:43]>> I see what you mean.

[00:13:44]>> Yeah, I see what some people >> will follow through till the end.

[00:13:49]>> But I I I think she saw the situation like it's best to follow through.

[00:13:52]There's no point in coming back now.

[00:13:54]You've gone you've gone too far now.

[00:13:56]Might as well just go all the way.

[00:13:57]>> True.

[00:13:58]>> This is true. This is true.

[00:13:59]>> Which is usually the position most anti-heroes are in actually when you're starting out.

[00:14:03]>> Yes. you you're doing you're doing you're doing but it always becomes a case of the the the stakes getting higher >> the while are getting more you need to do more and more you're going higher and getting deeper you're doing worse you're doing worse and you don't realize how far you've come or how far you've gone >> in this thing you're doing cuz you're just focused on whatever goal you're supposed to achieve whatever you're supposed to stop whatever monster you're supposed to kill >> and at one point I don't think you even get there like they don't at any point stop and be like ah I've gone too far >> yeah I think it depends on the particular hero and the narrative structure of the said plot to be honest because Robin Hood >> for example >> Robin Hood >> knows what he's doing >> and he does have rules but he know I'm stealing from the rich to give to the poor >> and I will do anything >> other than hurt innocent people >> innocent people yes innocent people to him innocent people are the poor the needy and the downtrodden if you're rich or you are in a position of power. You are not considered by his own metric as an innocent person.

[00:15:08]>> Yeah, I read it wasn't even just like robbing the rich particularly is the government actually government just happened to be the rich people but it was actually the government the the political leaders the traditional leaders that he was actually robbing.

[00:15:22]>> Yes.

[00:15:23]>> Well, I agree to be huge fan. Yeah, I think everybody on the planet was actually >> maybe maybe billionaires aren't but I think you know and and people in government in government positions also may not have been but yes >> but the rest of us on some level we kind of understood why he was doing what he was doing and um because the world as we know it is a very flawed place >> say least >> it it kind of makes it hard for people not to root for people yeah actually >> that's the truth That's the truth.

[00:15:59]>> Especially for a decent human being.

[00:16:00]>> Yeah.

[00:16:01]>> Let's play a game though. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:03]>> So, since you decided to bring up anti-heroes, >> let's play this or that.

[00:16:07]>> Okay.

[00:16:08]>> For anti-heroes.

[00:16:10]>> We'll keep it Let's keep it narrow.

[00:16:12]Let's narrow it a little bit for film.

[00:16:14]>> For film film, film film cuz we start and I mean like normal film adaptations.

[00:16:20]>> No superheroes. If you do that then like a billion deadu is already entering my my >> So you're asking who I think out of the list you have is the most compelling anti how how do you make it um maybe your personal favorite >> the one that you maybe feel most connected to.

[00:16:38]>> Okay I could think that's a good way to do it.

[00:16:40]>> Yeah we could see. Yeah at least memory serves.

[00:16:43]>> As memory serves. Yeah. Cuz this is some old some way back stuff. So I guess we'll start with someone we already mentioned.

[00:16:49]>> John Q.

[00:16:50]>> John Q. John Quincy.

[00:16:51]>> John Quincy. Denzel Washington. Yes.

[00:16:53]>> Or devil's advocate Kevin Lass played by K Reeves.

[00:16:59]>> You already know who I'm with. It's rather obvious who I'm with.

[00:17:01]>> I think it's obvious. I think it's obvious. The thing is, >> but why? Why for you?

[00:17:07]>> Yes. Um, the why is >> Say who first?

[00:17:11]>> Junk.

[00:17:12]>> Junk. Okay.

[00:17:12]>> Junk. Now Kevin has a doover technically.

[00:17:18]>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, he does technically have a do. There's a bit of a supernatural element in it. So, he makes the wrong decision, gets to the end, and then gets to do it all over again.

[00:17:27]>> So, he's although he makes the right decision the second time around, but yeah, you get to do right there. He has it and yes, >> spoiler alert you about it. Clap for yourself >> versus Oceans 11. Danny Ocean. Danny Ocean. I think I love Danny Ocean. I love Danny Ocean. But the thing is this, Danny did it for love and for money.

[00:17:57]Nope.

[00:17:57]>> He's a thief. It's >> just we love this thief. There's a thief.

[00:18:01]>> Yeah.

[00:18:02]>> John say John.

[00:18:05]>> Yeah.

[00:18:06]>> Oh, this one is tough. John Q versus Fast and Furious. Dominic Toro.

[00:18:10]>> Dominic Terrell.

[00:18:13]>> My >> family.

[00:18:15]This is what I live for.

[00:18:17]>> Which is what Junky was doing it for. So technically the thing is it's the same thing. It's the same thing.

[00:18:22]>> Junky wasn't living his life a quarter mile an hour.

[00:18:28]>> He doesn't do it to sell that.

[00:18:31]You have to compare that man to that man.

[00:18:33]>> John Q. Still just had one of those cars. All his still >> big up to Dominic most too. Yeah.

[00:18:45]>> Yeah. It's him.

[00:18:46]>> John Q.

[00:18:47]>> Yeah.

[00:18:47]>> Versus Pirates of the Caribbean's Jack Sparrow.

[00:18:54]>> I don't think you can stay on what you have been using before cuz you're talking about Jack freaking Sparrow.

[00:18:59]Sorry, I apologize. Captain Jack >> Jackar Sparrow.

[00:19:04]>> I apologize.

[00:19:06]You know what I will say is this is the day that I will remember that I almost picked Jack Sparrow, but I'll have to stay with John Q. It's It pains me to do this. You use that line. I'm still not picking that's rude.

[00:19:28]>> It's got to be John Q.

[00:19:30]>> Jeez.

[00:19:31]>> Yeah. I've already gone to Jack already.

[00:19:35]I'm not going to give a reason.

[00:19:39]That's my reason.

[00:19:41]>> What? Okay, I'll stay with you cuz my my reason is not strong enough.

[00:19:45]>> John Q.

[00:19:46]>> Yeah.

[00:19:46]>> Versus >> V for Vendetta.

[00:19:54]>> It's V. No, it it's got to be got to be bomb this house >> playing games with me. What? Why though?

[00:20:03]Tell us why.

[00:20:04]>> Uh very why not I guess. Um >> John Q >> does it for personal reasons.

[00:20:14]>> Noble reasons but personal. V does it for everyone for society at large. I I it's >> still keeps his his identity anonymous.

[00:20:23]That shows how selfless he is. Yeah.

[00:20:25]Yeah. Definitely. Definitely.

[00:20:27]>> Yeah.

[00:20:28]>> V for vendettas. V.

[00:20:30]>> Yeah.

[00:20:31]>> Vasos. Jango.

[00:20:33]>> Jango.

[00:20:35]>> The jango.

[00:20:39]>> That's the thing. I the jango.

[00:20:40]>> The jango.

[00:20:41]>> I could not convince that yell.

[00:20:43]>> You know, >> like in the film they said the D is silent. Like you said it in the film.

[00:20:47]>> The D is silent. Jangle.

[00:20:49]>> Jeez.

[00:20:50]>> See, to be honest, it's jangle. It's jango. It's just jango.

[00:20:56]>> What?

[00:20:56]>> It's jango >> over V.

[00:20:58]>> It's Jango.

[00:20:59]>> No, we're speaking of allowed you. There's no freaking way.

[00:21:05]>> It's freaking V.

[00:21:06]>> I'm taking this into P.

[00:21:09]>> What?

[00:21:09]>> Okay. So, I say Django. I say Django.

[00:21:12]You know why I say Django?

[00:21:13]>> Yeah. Okay. We add you can veto. So, >> yes. Okay. So, I veto it now.

[00:21:18]>> Okay. But you know I say Django.

[00:21:21]V addresses a lot of societal ills.

[00:21:25]>> Fair >> and like Django is rooted in it's fiction. It's a fictional world.

[00:21:32]>> But Django whilst being fictional is rooted in our global and humanity shared history.

[00:21:42]So I think even in the days of your even in days when it was a thing it was always >> wrong. Yeah. Own and keep slaves.

[00:21:56]>> Yeah.

[00:21:56]>> Even then when it was quote unquote >> I'm I'm hit you now.

[00:22:00]>> Yeah.

[00:22:01]>> That applies to V as well cuz the things that the government did in Viva Vendetta is being done in real life, bro.

[00:22:07]>> It's just they'll call me a conspiracy theorist cuz I don't have proof. I hear it's been done.

[00:22:12]>> Maybe just I don't have proof to prove it.

[00:22:14]>> Maybe the human obvious maybe maybe I just I'm sucker for a good revenge story. I don't know.

[00:22:21]>> Also there's a revenge part of it now taking out the field that created it.

[00:22:24]Yeah, >> of course. You're right. You're right.

[00:22:26]>> So VR.

[00:22:27]>> Okay.

[00:22:28]>> JANGO Vivetta versus Fight Club. Tyler Duran.

[00:22:39]>> I love Fight Club. Shouldn't be talking about it though. Shouldn't be talking about it though. Shouldn't be talking about it though. I saw it again recently.

[00:22:46]>> Seriously.

[00:22:47]>> And about to say something that you're going to be very disappointed in me.

[00:22:50]>> And I don't know if you you saw it.

[00:22:51]There's no way you didn't see it.

[00:22:53]>> And I can't believe I just saw it cuz this is what my sixth, seventh, eighth time of watching >> FOR.

[00:22:58]>> You know there part in the film where Tyler Dodden's character flashes.

[00:23:02]>> Yeah.

[00:23:03]>> Before he come before he actually arrives before he gets to the plane and season like a split second he flashes. Did you know that?

[00:23:11]>> I I I I think it was more subliminal, but yeah, I get you.

[00:23:16]>> I just saw it for the first time.

[00:23:17]>> Oh, wow.

[00:23:17]>> My mind blew.

[00:23:18]>> Oh, okay.

[00:23:19]>> Cuz I like how didn't you see it this 10 million times? I just watch like >> the was it a glitch and >> No, it's not. It's there.

[00:23:27]>> It was there. It was there the entire time right from the beginning. Why am I whispering?

[00:23:32]>> Yeah, it's I I recently saw this is a segue. Segue, but we'll probably touch this topic again. Great writing and world.

[00:23:43]>> Back to the future.

[00:23:46]>> When this is a segue, but so it doesn't say Back to the Future. I don't understand. Oh, maybe maybe you're young.

[00:23:53]>> But yes, there's that.

[00:23:54]>> Back to the Future.

[00:23:55]>> The name of the T the mall is the Twin >> Pines Mall if I'm not mistaken.

[00:24:02]>> I recently saw the film again like a year ago or so. You did all three.

[00:24:06]>> I saw all three. Yes. So, but part one >> been a great time.

[00:24:10]>> He goes back in time.

[00:24:11]>> Mhm.

[00:24:11]>> So, when in present it's the Twin Pines Mall, >> he goes back in time and arrives before the mall was built >> on the land he arrives. It was a farm >> and there were two pines trees.

[00:24:26]>> Pine trees growing. They were small growing. In trying to get away from the farmer who owned the land, who was shooting at him, he drives over one of the pines when he comes back to the present.

[00:24:38]>> It is the lone pine mo.

[00:24:41]>> Are you serious?

[00:24:42]>> And I missed it. All these I'm like, "Oh my god, >> the writers were just planting Easter eggs everywhere. I love people do stuff like that." You know, cuz I'm a rewatcher.

[00:24:51]>> Yeah.

[00:24:52]>> So like when I'm watching again and I don't I see something I didn't see before, it always feels very special to me. It was it was I'm like, "Oh my goodness, he did this and I missed it all these years like and I was grinning from ear to I'm like, "Paul, you need to make great films."

[00:25:06]>> I've seen everything in that thing cuz I've seen it over and over again trying to get every single Easter egg like, "Okay, this is what they brought back.

[00:25:12]This what they brought back was a fun thing to do with those films. I never saw that."

[00:25:17]>> Yeah. So, back to what we're saying now.

[00:25:18]Yes. Fight Club >> orang Vendetta. Um V for Vendetta. M yeah I was about to go find but >> the impact definitely and yeah yeah yeah >> cuz if even if let's assume what happened happened in real life I think it have done more damage than good >> I hear you I hear you yeah >> yeah definitely done more damage than good >> I hear yeah >> but if I owe you money obviously it did good for you like give you like facing bankruptcy and stuff but yeah I think you have done more damage than good definitely definitely >> what's the next one Vendetta versus Living in Bondage. Andy played by Kenetto.

[00:26:01]>> Oh, the original.

[00:26:02]>> The original. Yes. The original Living in Bondage. The first living in Bondage.

[00:26:05]V for Vendetta. You see, this brings me back to why I picked Django.

[00:26:12]>> We are still okay. But the thing is this, >> the the human element, the the personal element >> because he starts out, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah.

[00:26:26]>> Just trying his darnest to make a way for himself and his family >> and realizes that that may not. Yes. And decides to tap into the supernatural or as we call it in these parts, juju.

[00:26:42]And sister Vra the thing is he the truth is this for for what it's for for what for what it's worth he does >> Mhm.

[00:26:56]>> have some redeeming qualities.

[00:26:58]>> So V so does V has the qualities.

[00:27:01]>> Yes. But Andy >> he can fight. Andy Black V was he Andy was willing to sacrifice himself >> after the fact.

[00:27:12]>> Woman he loved >> after.

[00:27:14]>> Yes. But he he he was willing to lay down his life.

[00:27:19]>> He was willing to V actually did.

[00:27:21]>> Yeah.

[00:27:22]>> Twice.

[00:27:23]>> This is true.

[00:27:24]>> He wasn't at this point too.

[00:27:26]>> I see your point.

[00:27:27]>> Last but not the least of good fellas Harry Hill. EASY.

[00:27:35]I LOVE FELLAS.

[00:27:36]>> I do. Oh jeez.

[00:27:38]>> For as long as I remember I always wanted to be a gangster.

[00:27:43]>> Which is funny cuz that's that's nothing like myself. You know when you see a film and think is so cool. Yeah.

[00:27:49]>> Yeah.

[00:27:49]>> I could be a gangster.

[00:27:52]>> Even saying you don't remember. It's never coming from your chest. But it's so cool.

[00:27:56]>> It was so well done, well established.

[00:27:58]So it was so cool. Like proper cool, not fake cool. If we took V out of the list, >> okay, >> hypothet would you have ended up somewhere else?

[00:28:19]>> Yeah.

[00:28:20]>> Where?

[00:28:20]>> There's a very good chance I might have stopped at John Q.

[00:28:23]>> John Q. So John Q all the way till the end.

[00:28:26]>> I hear you.

[00:28:26]>> There's a very good chance. I can see that.

[00:28:28]>> Cuz what made me go for V over John Q is the impact. Yeah, I get you.

[00:28:31]>> John was just just a son. It was very I won't call it selfish. It was just for his family.

[00:28:37]>> Yes.

[00:28:37]>> And Yeah.

[00:28:38]>> But that's also living in bondage.

[00:28:40]>> Yeah. That's Yeah. But living in bondage, Baba go use Juju. You understand? You understand? If you're not using Juju for good things, I'm not with you.

[00:28:50]>> Junk own no.

[00:28:51]>> But Junk got a gun and held people hostage.

[00:28:54]>> I was about to give an ass spoiler. But yeah, now it wasn't really say spoiler.

[00:28:58]No matter how I say it all. But yeah.

[00:29:00]>> Yeah. Cuz when when they revealed that part, my heart broke. I hear you.

[00:29:04]>> I was like, "Yo, for real, bro."

[00:29:05]>> Like for real, you didn't even carry.

[00:29:07]No. No. What level of love hero is this?

[00:29:10]Cuz I would have full clip.

[00:29:12]>> Full freaking clip. I'm like this. If I hear pimp, I'm shooting doctor. I'm bringing another person in. Bro, my my son. My son. My son. Ah. No. No. Don't play with me.

[00:29:22]>> Oh my goodness. Don't play with me.

[00:29:24]Don't Don't play with me.

[00:29:25]>> Don't play with me. Don't play with me.

[00:29:26]>> But yeah. Yeah. I see. I see why. Um, yeah, Junky Junkie would have and V for Vendza. Yeah, that works. That's a good Yeah, probably wins. It's kind of a joker in the park or Yeah, but yeah. So, yeah, true. Everything was super perfect. It was too perfect.

[00:29:41]>> It was a fantastic gay.

[00:29:42]>> Such a I'm definitely one of those super talented actors that has tried to do the monologue from V.

[00:29:49]>> I >> I know. I don't we know did it.

[00:29:52]>> Yes.

[00:29:52]>> What a [ __ ] >> I don't know.

[00:29:57]What's your deal now? What's your deal?

[00:29:59]>> I saw a few people do it.

[00:30:01]>> I saw Sh do it.

[00:30:02]>> I saw Yeah, I've seen people do it. I think >> I I think he could at some point did >> but I saw a few up and coming actors that >> and some of them were so good at it >> when I saw those and not saw how cool it was that how good of an idea it was that he was wearing a mask.

[00:30:24]>> Yes. Cuz when they were doing it, not like they were doing a bad job or anything.

[00:30:27]>> Not even like they were doing it incorrectly, it just didn't look as good.

[00:30:30]>> I see what you're saying.

[00:30:30]>> But when he had that mask, >> it just it just elevated to mad levels, which is weird. Remember who played the character?

[00:30:37]>> Yeah.

[00:30:39]Yeah.

[00:30:39]>> You would think seeing the face would help you connect more with the emotion, connect more with what is being said.

[00:30:52]some choices you never like and now see like yeah this was the better choice.

[00:30:56]>> Yeah, >> the better choice.

[00:30:57]>> That's true.

[00:30:58]>> I used to be I used to be afraid of that when you're playing films maybe you're playing a robber or someone wearing a mask. How do you connect enough with the individual playing it? Cuz most times you find out in these superhero shows they'll usually at least let the eyes be animated. Yes. stuff. Just put something on your face that at least makes you show emotion as just bringing a blank face. They didn't do that for Vivo Vanetta.

[00:31:19]>> I get you.

[00:31:20]>> But I could feel everything.

[00:31:22]>> I could feel everything he was saying. I could I could connect with everything that he was. I guess that's that's the act of being amazing.

[00:31:27]>> Yeah. Hug is a terrific actor, a terrific voice actor, a terrific >> actor, period. And talent, period.

[00:31:34]>> Beast.

[00:31:34]>> Yes.

[00:31:35]>> Freaking beast of him.

[00:31:36]>> He kind of is. He kind of is.

[00:31:38]>> Smith, my guy.

[00:31:39]>> Yeah. That's where we knew him from. Or that's the first time some people took notice.

[00:31:44]>> Do you know him before then?

[00:31:45]>> I think I'd seen him in a few things, but it's like yes, >> this man is not a human.

[00:31:51]>> He's really really committed to the craft. Really come to the craft.

[00:31:55]>> And I heard they gave it to him in >> Is that true?

[00:31:58]>> Yeah. He was only in.

[00:32:00]>> Oh, okay.

[00:32:00]>> He spent his first like four or five years in Nigeria.

[00:32:02]>> So he's Nigerian.

[00:32:04]>> He won't tell you that.

[00:32:07]>> You You'd be surprised.

[00:32:09]I mean surpris there's a chance that yes but he probably doesn't remember a lot of that because he was a kid but yeah >> yeah that's you know they claim here if they from there but they claim here if they from here so yeah >> I I I see what you mean I see what you mean yeah yeah it's all good it's all good it's all good >> do you think an anti-hero work >> well in this side of the world in real life in Nigeria >> I think Um are you talking film wise or in just real life?

[00:32:42]>> Film wise. Yeah.

[00:32:42]>> But we do have a lot of anti-heroes in Yeah.

[00:32:45]>> in recent time.

[00:32:47]>> Well, there is um Shalash Shabalad is the king of boys.

[00:32:51]>> Yes. There is um Doitilla.

[00:32:54]>> Wait, wait, wait.

[00:32:55]>> There is >> She was an anti-hero.

[00:32:57]>> Yes, she was an anti-hero.

[00:32:59]>> She wasn't a villain.

[00:33:02]She was trying to do the right thing cuz I saw it as she was like kind of like uh >> she was trying to run Scarface is is a little bit of like the worst version of comparison, but I kind of saw her as that kind of character.

[00:33:17]>> So she in my in my estimation she was trying to run for office >> to try and fix some of the problems that exist in her immediate community. But the powers that be were reluctant to let her ascend because >> they it was okay when they were using her for thugy and all of that. But now that she had ideas and wanted to make things better >> which mean bad for them.

[00:33:41]>> Yes.

[00:33:41]>> They didn't want her.

[00:33:42]>> Okay. Okay. I feel her anti-hero basically. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:33:47]Enter.

[00:33:48]>> Yeah. And to be to be honest, even her ascent to power >> to become the king of boys was fraught with a lot of >> adversity >> as it should.

[00:33:58]>> And the patriarchy >> was the the woman leading their clan >> an abomination, >> but she had to overcome all of that to get to where she got to. Yeah.

[00:34:10]>> Some super godfather level things.

[00:34:11]>> Yes. Basically, basically, basically an iconic character. Yeah. Basically, >> shout out to actually it be freaking awesome to get her reaction.

[00:34:19]>> Yes, if if it's possible.

[00:34:24]>> I'm a big chem fan. Freaking >> That's true.

[00:34:27]>> Okay. Freaking dope.

[00:34:29]>> So, yeah, we have her >> to be worse than when we interview Hilda. I'll tell you that much.

[00:34:34]>> I could hold I could hold myself together for Hilda. I >> I know what you mean. That was a great interview. That was a really great interview.

[00:34:40]>> I mean, we had a good time. So, I forgot your idea.

[00:34:45]That's true. That's true. So, yeah. So, we do have our our entire mainstream media here in Nigeria is littered with anti-heroes or anti-heroes. Yeah. We have her. We have um Doitilla. We have Andy from the original Living in Bondage.

[00:35:01]>> Yeah. Think about it. I think it will really do well.

[00:35:03]>> Yeah.

[00:35:03]>> You think it really do well?

[00:35:04]>> Which one?

[00:35:05]>> The anti-hero story.

[00:35:06]>> Yes, they do do well. They do do well here. We We have um Rattlesnake.

[00:35:11]>> Mhm. Mhm. the original. Some of the these characters are characters that are reeling against a system that is broken, oppressive, a system that is built on corruption and greed, and they're trying to make the most for themselves, their family, and their community.

[00:35:25]>> True. True.

[00:35:26]>> Yeah. Especially because of way the world and the country is right now.

[00:35:30]>> Yes.

[00:35:30]>> It's it's almost like that's what we should be focusing on making this lovey doyatic.

[00:35:36]I'm not complaining cuz obviously I'm fighting a number of them. Goodness. I'm not being a hypocrite. I'm just saying.

[00:35:42]>> Yeah. You like some of those type of roles?

[00:35:44]>> I would love to watch.

[00:35:45]>> But you you probably have played >> Yeah, I have. But not enough of them.

[00:35:48]Not enough of them.

[00:35:49]>> I get you. Definitely enough.

[00:35:50]>> I got you. Someone will come. Some more will come. But what kind of characters would What kind of character would be the >> Help me describe your perfect anti-hero for you character-wise if you were going to write, build, or play a character?

[00:36:07]V is just popping my head cuz he seemed to be >> let's say Nigerian Nigerian Nigerian character build one for me if you if you could.

[00:36:14]>> I would like him to start young and trying to enter the political space >> with a good heart.

[00:36:20]>> Okay.

[00:36:20]>> You know with all >> why politics >> cuz that would be the first thing anyone would think about if you want to make a difference Nigeria wise you think yeah get into politics get into the seats and fix it from inside.

[00:36:30]>> Okay. So when you say political seat do you have any particular seats in mind or any particular office in mind? depending on how much you have just try to scale it accordingly. So if you obviously you have the just keep it local if you do have that kind of budget.

[00:36:42]>> What what what to you would be the immediate need or challenge he's trying to um this thing contend with or is it that they don't have a good educational system?

[00:36:52]>> I think educational also think of the easiest oil companies already flooding maybe polluting >> um waters in his community. You can do that too. The the oil thingy. You can do that too.

[00:37:04]>> Yeah. Or is he dealing with um bandits or fani headsmen or headsmen? I don't know.

[00:37:09]>> The herd. Shout out to the herd.

[00:37:10]>> Yeah, that's a great good film. Good film. Yeah, >> you can do any of those three actually.

[00:37:14]That's pretty good.

[00:37:15]>> I think depending on the location you're shooting in, if you're shooting if I think I like that oil water one more.

[00:37:20]Okay.

[00:37:21]>> Especially if you get to shoot on location.

[00:37:23]Yes. The river river areas. Imagine, imagine, I can even imagine the story can start with a young man who got to see his maybe experience with fishermanmen and got to see how they moved from not like they were rich but they were doing this anywhere to just extreme poverty and okay when I become an adult I'm going to focus on school, use my academics and use my degree and get into politics and fix things >> and then he gets in there and realizes things are not as they seem and now he has to make a hard decision whether to join them >> or to fight them.

[00:37:50]>> I get you. And of course things go on, maybe loses a family member because it's politics. And eventually he gets his own people, his own community, his own crowd that have also seen what's been going on and they backing him. And that's how he uses them to fight against the system.

[00:38:04]And >> I'll say he wins, but we know we know he win for this country, but let's give it a good ending.

[00:38:09]>> So what character flaws or what actions, what illegal or >> he's going to have to kill someone, >> but he's going to start off as someone that is not going to be the kind of person that would do something like that. But to get to a position where he has to make that decision, >> he has to make that decision and he would he would >> maybe because his family member is in danger, maybe his life is in danger or he sees that there's no redeeming there's no redeeming way for this person, I have to take this person out and it becomes the monster that he's trying to destroy.

[00:38:35]>> Does he become the monster that he's trying to destroy definitively or >> not definitively but technically or or like visually he would have to become that monster but >> ideally he doesn't become the evil that he's trying to destroy. just had to become a monster to take out a monster.

[00:38:50]And I always like that one where not always like it, but I think he hits home when the character starts off like that.

[00:38:56]Goes >> on a journey >> deep. Yeah. On journey to deep into the the mud.

[00:39:00]>> Yeah.

[00:39:01]>> Comes out of it. Not like it's clean, but comes out learning from his mistakes, makes things better, >> then sacrifices his life for the greater good.

[00:39:09]>> Always helps.

[00:39:10]>> Gives that heart-wrenching ending.

[00:39:13]Especially if he does it maybe for for children or for a kid or for the greater good. Yeah, >> I I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

[00:39:20]>> Yeah.

[00:39:21]>> So, he starts out wanting something and then at the end he realizes that um something else probably needs to happen.

[00:39:33]>> Okay, that's cool.

[00:39:34]>> Yeah. What he wants is too small.

[00:39:36]There's a bigger there's a bigger picture out there and he has to make that picture happen.

[00:39:40]>> That That's cool. That's cool. I'd watch that film.

[00:39:42]>> I love Yeah, I would love to watch that.

[00:39:43]I would love to even like everything where I watched Star Shoot. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:39:49]Not all three sh cuz I've done all three.

[00:39:51]>> So was a tumultuous experience.

[00:39:54]>> Yeah. But it was it was it was an experience nonetheless.

[00:39:56]>> It was an experience. Yeah. But yeah, I really like what would you call that kind of film?

[00:40:00]>> Um you mean title wise or >> title wise? Yeah.

[00:40:07]>> Well, blood in blood blood.

[00:40:09]>> I've tried to blood any name that doesn't have blood and oil in it. I'm like, >> "Yeah, >> did he moment?"

[00:40:21]>> Yeah. No, I I'm thinking if if I were to name that film, >> man.

[00:40:33]>> I have no name.

[00:40:34]>> I think I like saying blood.

[00:40:36]>> I like the idea and I don't want to be cavalier or the name >> working title. Blood and Oil. There's a name.

[00:40:44]>> That film exists.

[00:40:46]>> Oily Blood.

[00:40:46]>> Blood Bloody. Yeah. So, >> Bloody Oil.

[00:40:50]>> Yeah.

[00:40:50]>> Working title.

[00:40:51]>> No.

[00:40:51]>> Bloody Oil. That's not the worst one.

[00:40:54]>> It sounds like a C movie.

[00:40:56]>> Not game though.

[00:40:57]>> Yeah. Okay.

[00:40:58]>> So, this one is an um fast five.

[00:41:03]>> Yeah.

[00:41:04]>> We've done it with a couple of guests and I've always wondered >> what would what would be your own reaction? I'll answer two. Yeah. Okay.

[00:41:11]Okay. Okay. Okay.

[00:41:12]>> But I did want to know what you would what answer would be to this kind of question.

[00:41:15]>> Yeah.

[00:41:16]>> First one.

[00:41:16]>> Yeah.

[00:41:17]>> First five. One Nigerian actor that never gets old. That is not RMD cuz that's the last person that seems to be the only person that default answer.

[00:41:25]>> One Nigerian actor that never gets old.

[00:41:29]H a lot of names are popping into my head right now.

[00:41:33]>> Same one now.

[00:41:35]>> She girl.

[00:41:36]>> She girl. Yeah, that's good. That's actually Yeah. Actually, she's pretty much exactly the same as her. Yeah.

[00:41:41]Yeah. Check out. Who would you pick?

[00:41:43]>> Genevaj.

[00:41:45]>> Without a doubt.

[00:41:46]>> Without a doubt. Actually, >> she never gets old. I >> think she's going to speak for another 20 years. No pressure, but she looks like she really looked like >> since I was since I ever opened my eyes to Nollywood.

[00:41:57]>> She's looked a day.

[00:41:59]>> No, she hasn't.

[00:42:00]>> So, yeah.

[00:42:01]>> Yeah, >> definitely. Uh, next one. What movie would you secretly binge in a flight?

[00:42:08]Uh, >> The Omen. What's wrong with The Omen?

[00:42:13]The Omen is cool now.

[00:42:14]>> It is. It might freak people out. I don't know.

[00:42:16]>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I see what you mean.

[00:42:18]>> Um, what about you?

[00:42:19]>> Ah, man. I'm so shameless with the kind of things I watch. I don't see even secretly watch anything.

[00:42:24]>> Yeah, I watch.

[00:42:27]>> I'm thinking of a guilty pleasure.

[00:42:29]American Pie.

[00:42:31]>> Okay.

[00:42:33]I want to watch that one. Especially in this day and age, especially when it gets that part where the guy gums the tape to his hand. Yeah, >> American Pie. American American Pie.

[00:42:43]Definitely. Um, >> what's the soundtrack to your life?

[00:42:47]>> It's not just one song.

[00:42:48]>> Yeah, even question litany of songs. I guess I don't know.

[00:42:55]>> I don't know. Like, yo, I'm skipping down. Go away.

[00:42:58]>> What's your go to? Ah, no. I don't answer this one now. What's your go to life when you don't want to go out? I always want to go out.

[00:43:03]>> All right. Come on.

[00:43:06]Make make people like me look bad. You always to lie.

[00:43:08]>> Oh my god.

[00:43:09]>> What is the go to lie?

[00:43:11]>> I don't know what that word is.

[00:43:13]>> I have never held a lie. Why is my nose getting on?

[00:43:21]>> My go-to lie for when I don't want to go out would um probably be >> I don't know.

[00:43:27]>> You know what to say. Listen, I'll lie.

[00:43:28]My lie is that I have headache. That's my go to lie. Take your I can't give it to you. I can't lie that lie. I tell you so that I have if I told you >> then I can't use it anymore.

[00:43:43]>> Yeah.

[00:43:43]>> Name a policy change that producers should make as soon as possible.

[00:43:48]>> Producers. Are we talking about film producers?

[00:43:50]>> Yeah. Film producers, >> directors, filmmakers, >> that bunch of people.

[00:43:55]>> Okay. So to be fair to ourselves and our colleagues out there, producers, >> the truth is >> they're not making a hell of a lot.

[00:44:04]>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[00:44:06]>> And if and on some level, >> it's like a slippery slope at this point.

[00:44:10]>> I hear you. But but the truth is on some level you're dealing with people who have stories to tell, who want to tell their stories, who have tried to find funding, a lot of them in many different ways, >> and have decided that you know what, I'm going to do it the way that is available to me.

[00:44:29]>> And if that means >> cutting down on cost, >> limiting my locations, and I'm not saying I agree with this at least the stories. Yeah, sacrificing on the quality of >> working your cast and crew, >> then so be it. Now with policy change, it would be nice. It would be nice if we could all probably come together and go, "Oh, >> people, the cast and the crew, especially the crew and the cast because we're both >> shouldn't be made to work >> despicable >> beyond a certain amount of hours a day."

[00:45:08]Now what that would probably also mean is that the cast and crew need to understand that oh if this is the time frame or this is the the duration we need to be on time we need to be present and we need to do everything we need to do to cover everything we need to do >> and if we can make that happen because you're dealing with a lot of people a lot of moving parts if we can make that happen where we go oh okay it's 16 hours or not beyond 16 hours a day 16 hours is a lot it's in fact some people might say it's too much I'm just saying maybe 12 12 hours or 15 whatever we can all agree to >> and go oh this is the hard carp in every 24hour window people cannot be made to work beyond this >> a fading that >> people should be paid overtime >> yeah so because granted we're dealing with a lot of moving parts here if I only have this house for 4 days >> that's finished >> after 4 days then we go oh if for some season we have to extend by a few hours.

[00:46:09]The cast and the crew will get an additional stipend.

[00:46:13]>> But the but what what some of our colleagues might argue is that that might cause people to to to conduct themselves in a way whereby the period and you also need to look out for for for people's pockets in that consideration.

[00:46:32]>> Yeah. Have >> it's tricky. It's tricky.

[00:46:35]>> It's very tricky.

[00:46:35]>> Yeah.

[00:46:37]>> Yeah.

[00:46:37]>> Looks like an episode topic actually.

[00:46:39]>> Yes, it is. It is.

[00:46:41]>> Sorry, we digress.

[00:46:41]>> Yes, we did digress.

[00:46:43]>> But yeah, but as far as this episode is concerned. Yeah. Coming back to >> wrapping it up.

[00:46:47]>> Wrapping up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As far as heroes and anti-heroes are concerned.

[00:46:51]>> Yeah.

[00:46:52]>> If you're making films here, obviously.

[00:46:54]Yes. I would like to see some superhero stuff that >> anti-hero stories but are more grounded.

[00:46:59]Yes.

[00:47:00]>> Doesn't have to have any superhero anime >> but grounded, realistic, relatable.

[00:47:04]>> I would kill to watch or star those kind of films >> without a doubt.

[00:47:09]>> I hear you doubt.

[00:47:10]>> If if the characters are well constructed, that would really be helpful. If um the world building is such where we understand the characters motivations, their why and we see we can chart their journey >> as they because the truth is this >> the audience want want to root for these people. So we need to make it easy for them to root for these people even when they they're taking decisions that the audience doesn't necessarily agree with.

[00:47:36]>> When they're doing something that on a normal day should be evil.

[00:47:39]>> Yes. like yeah it's evil but >> just put that but yeah that but is there you can get away with it.

[00:47:45]>> That's true. That's true. That's true.

[00:47:47]If if the world building is good if if you are employing gimmicks like an internal monologue and it's clear it's not >> over bloated. It's succinct. It's we know this is why he or she is acting this way and this is what they're hoping to get out of it and we are on board with that or the end result. We're on board with the end result. then so be it.

[00:48:10]>> We don't tend to get them in in a monologue type storytelling right that often here.

[00:48:17]>> Uh maybe it's because a lot of people haven't explored it >> effectively.

[00:48:22]>> I'm I I I think it can be done >> but um some people choose to tell their stories in a different way.

[00:48:28]>> It's good stuff.

[00:48:29]>> Yeah, good stuff.

[00:48:30]>> It is good stuff. It is good. Remember guys, make sure you tell people to like, share, subscribe, and watch Paul and Bar. We do this guy. We do this for you, but I we definitely enjoy it. I'm like, so if I don't watch doing it, I don't care.

[00:48:44]>> What are you going to be doing this weekend?

[00:48:47]>> I've been working back to back. So, I think I should just relax. I hear you.

[00:48:52]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to just try to just put my leg up and have someone massage me or something.

[00:48:58]>> I mean, you you you probably earned it.

[00:49:00]probably one or two people some Russia level stuff person here. One person just, you know, >> pamper me a little bit.

[00:49:09]>> I hear you. I hear you.

[00:49:12]>> You You deserve you you you've paid your dues. You paid in full. You deserve some accolades.

[00:49:18]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What you going to be doing this weekend?

[00:49:20]>> I'm going to be working.

[00:49:22]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:49:22]>> A little bit of work, you know, trying to get that money up. True. It's either that or I pick up a gun and go and rob the rich to give to the needy. And the needy in this case is you, me, you know.

[00:49:36]>> Yeah. Yeah. Basically, thank you. Thank you for listening and watching wherever you're doing so from in the world. It has been another exciting edition >> of Paul and in character. Please like, share, and >> and subscribe and tell a friend >> to tell a friend >> to tell a friend >> that Paul and Barge have a podcast.

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