The video compellingly applies the logic of universal rights to sentient beings, highlighting the ethical inconsistencies in our current food systems. Yet, it occasionally reduces the vast complexity of human-animal interdependence to a singular moral ultimatum.
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LIVE INTERVIEWS | Are You Demanding Someone's Exploitation?
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>> How about now?
>> Now?
>> I took a few bites.
>> Okay, there it is. Okay. I don't know why you have to unplug it and replplug it back in. That's all I ever do. It's crazy. Okay. Right on. Sound is good.
Awesome. Thank you. High boiled boiled dirt. Jimmy, thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
>> Where are you going from?
>> Oh, Lori, I didn't send you an invite.
Sending the invite now. Oh, I've got some some green friends here.
Oh, mom, do you have >> Hi, Sean. Oh, Sean Redfield isn't me. I feel like we spoke before.
>> Awesome. Well, I'm vegan stunner lady, also known as Anna or VSSL, whatever you want to call me at. We're at We're in Vancouver. See if I can give you the look around here. Just don't want to pull any of my cords.
All right. You can kind of see there's the bridge. That's the bridge that takes you into Portland.
>> Such a beautiful view of the water.
>> Yes. And then um let's see if I can even get it over here if I go like so.
Um can I flip the camera on this?
There. Oh, you just see tree. Um Tik Tok can see it off in the distance. There's um like a water thing. There you go, YouTube. You see him now?
>> Yes.
>> All right. Give me a second to flip back. A lot of buttons.
Okay. So, yeah, I'm going to be interviewing people, asking them questions about um veganism.
Hi.
Oh my gosh, there's so many people crowding around now.
>> I'm doing the interviews. You want to be interviewed >> about >> um about animals?
>> Don't know much about animals.
>> I mean, it's not about your knowledge of animals. It's more like your moral perspective on life. Just whatever you feel.
>> Uh >> respect.
>> Respect. Yeah, >> respect. That's the way I see it.
>> Yeah, I agree.
>> The animals.
>> I would you like to have a conversation about it? It would be like 5 minutes. I promise I'm not here to make you look bad. I honestly I think that we're neighbors.
>> Yes, it's live right now. Yeah. Um I'm >> not even from here. Is that >> Oh, that's fine. Yeah. I mean, you're still my neighbor in the sense that we live on this planet. So, >> yeah. Yeah. Do you want to have a conversation?
>> Uh let me think about it.
>> Okay. Okay. I'll be here for a little while. So, if you change your mind, I would love to have a conversation with you. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Um actually, that just reminded me I don't have my cards on me.
Oh no. Okay, hold on a second.
>> I buried him.
Wow. Really did all the way in the bottom. Wow.
Do you want to be interviewed? No. Okay, no worries. No worries.
All right, I've got my cards now.
I always forget to grab these and put them in my pockets.
>> All right, there's like all these people around.
They're just here for the shade, though.
But it's it was kind of funny how they were all slowly approaching. It looked like they were coming right at me to watch.
But I mean, it is a nice view, too, of the water.
Won't you be my neighbor? Exactly.
We are in Vancouver, Washington at the waterfront park and there are a ton of people. It's because there's a little water feature down there that you can part you can play around in it and um it's just kind of fun.
Can I do anything?
There we go. Yes. There we go. All right. So, make sure you're tapping, liking, sharing. I'm vegan stoner lady again. Vancouver, Washington at the waterfront park. I'm here to talk to people about their morals. We'll see if we get a conversation. It's really hot, so we'll see if anybody wants to talk to me. Um, people are curious. They're kind of looking around at what I'm doing.
And yeah, we're just just going to talk to some people.
I've never seen the park so lively before. There's so many people here.
So, I'll just start out with talking about what veganism is. Veganism is an ethical stance against the exploitation of sentient beings. So, I don't want to demand someone be exploited because I don't want to be exploited. I care about what's happening to myself just as much as any other animal.
While we're waiting for a conversation though and people are starting to pile in, I kind of want to know why you're not vegan. If you're not vegan, let me know.
Lots of people with boats around here.
>> Almost makes me wonder if there's some event going on.
Hi, we're doing interviews. Do you want to be interviewed?
>> No.
>> Okay. All right. All right.
>> Yes. Jeffrey Dmer was not vegan. Hi.
Yes. Uh his logic was that he had a an urge that he wanted fulfilled and regardless of who it affected and um you know whether or not the victim wanted to do what he wanted, he didn't care. He wanted his needs fulfilled, his pleasure fulfilled. So you know what does that kind of sound like when people are defending their habits of using animals, right? It always comes down to their pleasure and lack of care for the animals best interests or their preferences, right?
You were born a vegan, >> Caleb. Let me get a screenshot. See, I'm gonna try to remember you. You were born vegan. Thankfully, my children, sorry, my screenshots's in the way. Have carried on the vegan lineage. Wow, that's awesome.
Congratulations.
That's beautiful. Oh, Lori, I guess you can be up there. Um, I can't hear you if you talk. So, nice to see you.
I I didn't even know you could invite yourself up. That's funny.
>> Um, no. I don't know if my tattoos are Hi, we're doing interviews. You want to be interviewed?
>> Well, I'll be here for a little while if you change your mind. It's I'm just asking about animals. So, about animals?
just about animals and what you think of them.
All right, I'll be here.
Um, so my tattoos, I don't think they're vegan cuz I wasn't vegan when I got them. Um, I didn't know that there was vegan inks and now it's like the dominant thing out there are vegan inks, I guess. So, but it's still good to check. Ask your tattoo artist. Oh, you don't need to drop, Laura. You can stay up. It's fine. I just can't hear you if you talk.
There's a balance to it.
God has given us animals to eat, keep company, but also not abuse. Yeah. So, I'm pretty sure your God says you can't harm animals just cuz you want to, right? Pretty sure that you're not allowed to just drop them because it's fun. If you have no need to consume them, if you have alternatives, isn't the more moral choice to not exploit?
Yeah. So, if you're religious, um, like if you believe in the Abrahamic religions, I would I would go check out the documentary Christ Spiracy. It's a great documentary. Um, I'm not religious or spiritual, but it is a really great documentary that breaks down um like they look down at the or not look down, they look up the um the original sea scrolls and they look at the words that people use as their reasons to use animals. And when you you finish that film, you realize God is more vegan than you think. you know, if that's if that's your religion or your spiritual thing that you do. I don't know how to I know some people who um have a faith don't like being called religious. And I'm not trying to insult you. It's more like that's just the term I know to call general people that are um worshiping some faith.
Yeah. So um you're God. I imagine that he says don't abuse animals, right?
Well, wouldn't it be abuse to slit someone's throat when you don't need to?
I would call that abuse. If someone did that to me, I call that abuse.
Um, so regardless of if you have an authority figure that's giving you permission to do something, the victims don't want it done to them. We know now that animals feel that they're conscious, that they're sentient, which means they're having a subjective experience. It means they care about what's happening to themselves, right?
So, I would argue that's all we care about in each other. I don't care how smart you are. I don't care what you look like. I don't care who birthed you, where you came from. If you care about what's happening to yourself, I'm not going to exploit you. I don't think anyone else should exploit you either.
That's all veganism is.
Remember the word remember the words of the vegan teacher. You're not a true vegan until you impose your beliefs on family so much that they disown you. I don't know about that. It's more like we're in the time of nonhuman slavery. I mean, we have human slavery as well, but we've abolished the social aspect of it.
Like people most people don't think human slavery is moral. Um, but most people do think that using other animals is moral. So, um, it's more like I'm not forcing it on you. It's more like I think that you have the same principle as me that we shouldn't exploit each other and you're just not aligning your actions with your principles. Your actions are exploiting someone, but your principles are to not exploit someone.
Do you see how how you're you're contradicting yourself?
I would eat plants.
>> Yeah. Non-human slavery. They're sentient beings who care about what's happening to themselves.
>> Hi. Doing it.
>> Yes. Do you want to you want to participate?
>> Sure. Why not?
>> Awesome. I'm live on YouTube. Is that okay?
>> That's fine.
>> All right. Me put my sign down. We'll flip it over. All right. So, I'm going to have you Oh, you're already in view.
Perfect. They can see you. I'll stand right here.
>> Hi.
>> My name's Anna. What's yours?
>> Jim.
>> Jim. Lovely to meet you, Jim.
>> Hi. What's up?
>> What brings you out here?
getting my treat for the day.
>> Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. And a hot day. Yeah.
>> Well, I've been coming ever since since last May to Salt and Straw because And then I came here right after I got diagnosed with cancer. So, this is my happy spot.
>> I gota I gotcha. Well, um I'm just actually here to talk about people about individuals that might be experiencing oppression. Do you think that um you think someone who has the power, strength, intelligence? Yeah. Do you think that someone has some privilege over another has the right to oppress those that don't have it? I agree. I agree.
>> Yeah. What if >> life does not make right?
>> Exactly. Exactly. What if um maybe the victim can't speak and they're they're a different body shape, >> but we need to find someone to talk for them.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So, you you uh you sound like a a good-hearted person. You care about others. I love that.
>> Exactly. You at least know that we shouldn't exploit each other, right? A bare minimum.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Um, what about when it comes to animals like the ones?
>> Yeah. Are you vegan?
>> No.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I am still I am still a believer. We are on top of the food chain.
>> Okay.
>> But you don't need to be abusive to your animals. You need to take care of them.
>> Yeah.
>> And it should be respected.
>> Yeah. Do you think that um there's a respectful way to use animals without their consent?
I know, right? A concept we don't really think about.
>> But that >> Well, that's when we go to the greater source and go, that's what they were put here for. It was to help us.
>> Who's the greater source?
>> Higher power.
>> Oh, like a god.
>> A higher power. They made some people define it as God. I It's part of the cosmos way.
>> What about for you?
>> For me?
>> Yeah.
>> It's bacon and I'm happy. What do you think the pig thinks of that?
>> Probably not very much, but they were also used to being prey.
>> Well, so what if I had a human that didn't quite understand what was happening to them? And we've learned actually that humans taste like bacon, funny enough.
>> Well, that's why we're referred to as long pants the Middle Ages.
>> So, is it moral because humans taste like bacon?
>> Cannibalism on any rate for any species is absolutely wrong.
>> Well, why is it wrong? because it causes mutations and causes them to be sick.
Cannibalism is only a last resort.
>> We have had cultures that have relied on >> Yeah. And they have been massively deformed.
>> No.
>> And poison because of >> Yes.
>> If the body is is infected with the prawns disease, then yes, it'll pass on the disease like mad cow disease.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. Eating human flesh is actually >> admit I am not up to date on my facts.
>> That's okay. That's not what this is about. Yeah.
>> What it really comes down to is um do you recognize that animals feel?
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Do they avoid harm?
>> Well, they try to.
>> Yeah. Do they look for that >> fighter fight or flight response for everyone?
>> Well, that's instinct, but um it's more like that interest and choice is when we have a specific thing we want and we know that animals have interest. They have preferences.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> So, no creatures, >> right? So since we're the same in that manner and we want our sentience respected, >> well, >> I demand my sentience that child there.
>> Some people don't deserve >> Okay, let me be clear though.
>> But yeah, I get what you're saying. I understand.
>> I get where you're coming from.
>> So then what what in your mind? And I'm not trying to attack you. I want to be clear. I used animals for a long time.
>> No, no, no. I get it. I understand it's everybody's choice.
>> Well, what about the animals choice?
>> Yeah.
I don't know about that. That's something I I'm just I'm a hunter gatherer and you hunt. And but you also are respectful for what you're hunting >> in this corner of the world. Do you need to hunt?
>> Well, that's why we raise them. That's why we raise them.
>> Raise who? If you're hunting, you're in the wild. We're not breeding them.
>> But there's too many of us to go out hunting. So, we breed them and grow them ourselves. Do you think there's something that we need from animals that we can't get from other sources?
>> Yeah. Well, kind of sort of cuz I also know about quinoa and all the stuff that is giving us the things we can only get from we only knew we could get from that and that as well. So, as we evolve, we will figure this out. If I if I could give you a resource so you could see what it is you're demanding and it provides you um a list like a checklist on how to get everything you need in a day, would you be willing to check that resource out?
>> Sure. Awesome. We give you a card. Um let me ask you um two last questions.
Would you be willing to watch the documentary on this card on your own time?
Just you can either look it up on YouTube. It's called Dominion. Or you can scan it locally.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Why not?
>> I appreciate that. Okay. All right. And then my last hard question, I'll let you go.
>> How many more animals would you prefer be exploited for you? Is it more than zero?
>> I don't think I can eat that much in a year.
>> Well, no. So, how many do you prefer to be exploited?
>> Do you want more animals exploited?
>> I don't know if they're being exploited.
>> I understand where you're coming from. I get it. I get it. But let me give you an example. We've been doing this for centuries.
>> I know. I just want you to know though, just because we've done something a long time, that doesn't remove the immorality. For dairy. For dairy. A cow is a mammal. When does she produce milk?
>> When she's been impregnated.
>> Yeah. Where are her babies?
>> Well, when you go through artificial incimination, they don't have babies.
>> They do. So, what happens is they artificially inciminate her. They jack off a bowl. They put semen in her vagina and they massage it inside of her.
>> So, then after 9 months of pregnancy, after 9 months talking to a foreign kid, >> after 9 months of pregnancy, she has to give birth to a baby to produce milk.
Yeah.
>> And so I have >> No, it's okay. I just want you The reason why I'm kind of serious about it is because you think this is a baby being separated from their mother and this mother's not doing ve >> they are doing ve that's dairy is ve did the ve come from >> those are baby calves which are and I work in the meat department. We don't touch ve >> they're they're dairy cows. So what happens is the dairy the male calves they don't produce milk. they get turned into ve. That's where ve comes from.
>> So the dairy industry is the beef industry.
>> But a lot of companies are no longer supporting deal. So that's not the problem.
>> The problem is you're buying animal products.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So when you give them money, >> we're not allowed to use the environment around us to feed us, which we have been doing.
>> You absolutely can. You said you forage >> and forage honey. Well, yeah, but you don't need to hunt.
>> If you have an alternative or you can go without, isn't the more moral choice to not exploit someone?
>> That is a personal choice >> to to choose to choose whether or not to exploit someone, >> sweetheart. When they start talking to me, >> please don't call me, sweetheart.
>> All right.
>> Okay.
>> When they start talking to me, >> I'll start listening.
>> Not all victims can speak to you.
>> I realize that.
>> Okay. So, what about humans that are nonverbal? want to be all kind to animals and all that.
>> It's about exploitation. You're demanding that someone become a mother and then have their baby separated from them. That's the issue.
>> You are over sensitizing this. But I get where you're coming from and I respect you.
>> Well, then I'm not oversensitizing.
You're just you're sensitive. Your idea >> you're bothered by the discomfort of realizing you're not in alignment with your own beliefs. I believe that you do feel that we shouldn't exploit others, but your actions are saying otherwise.
>> Okay. when they start organizing, >> I'll worry about it.
>> That's just that's just >> I will worry about it then.
>> You're just saying they need to be intelligent in order for you to stop exploiting them. But a child can't really tell you they don't want to be exploited. They don't understand, >> right?
>> But we have to teach them.
>> And like I said, everything has a role in this universe and that's theirs. And you can speak out humans that can't speak.
>> We get exploited every day. Maybe not food.
>> Do you think that's moral? Should it stop?
When should your oppressors stop each other and see the same things? I'll worry about that.
>> Should your oppressors stop?
>> We'll talk to the government.
>> I'm asking you, do you think your oppressors should stop oppressing you?
>> I'm not being oppressed.
>> If you were, would you like it to stop?
>> Well, of course.
>> Yeah. So, right now, you're the oppressor.
>> No.
>> To the animals.
>> I'm a consumer.
>> Yeah. And you're oppressing animals.
Consumers also supported human slavery.
If you can avoid supporting human slavery, shouldn't you?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, it's the same thing for the animals.
>> Okay. I'll let you go. I just really encourage you to watch that documentary because inherently it's cruel what we do to them. But even if we could do it in a painless way to rob someone of their freedom, it's just never fair.
>> I'll give you that.
>> Okay. I appreciate it.
>> I may not fully see your point, but I understand your point and I respect you for that.
>> I do think it takes seeing it. So maybe if you see that documentary, >> I grew up on a farm. I saw everything.
>> But you didn't even know that a cow had to give birth. So that's not >> I didn't work on a dairy farm.
>> Okay. So it's not to attack you, but it's more that someone who says they've been on a farm, they don't know all the processes. I've talked to many farmers that that also don't know that a cow must be pregnant. So it's not about your experience. It's about recognizing that someone feels and they don't want to be exploited. And that's it. That's it.
Okay. All right.
>> I respect that.
>> I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me. No problem.
>> Yeah. You have a good rest of your day.
Enjoy the sun. Thank you.
Oh, hey Keith. What's up? Good to see you. Um, I appreciate people being willing to look at resources even if we can't come to like a shared agreement or maybe we get a little tense with each other. The least you can do is look into what I'm saying because I mean the urgency is like it's every day that they're losing everything. And if we could just stop, this could this could be a more fair world for everyone, regardless of your species, your skin color, your gender, your sexual orientation, whatever, right? It doesn't matter what you look like, who birthed you, what you think about. What matters is that you you are sentient. You're having a subjective experience of life, and that matters to you. That's all that that's all that matters.
Appreciate y'all being here. Make sure you tap on that screen. Make sure you share, like, comment if you can. Um, we're here in beautiful Vancouver, Washington at the waterfront park and we got a really nice view. You can see the water behind me. It's really nice.
Sometimes you get a little boat tooting across. You kind of see the bridge over here. I got these tree branches in the way, so I can't really leave the camera this direction, but it's nice views all around. It's kind of nice place.
>> Oh, did you need something? your face.
>> Oh, yes.
>> He got another splinter.
>> Oh, that's common. That's He's doing it.
He's a kid. He's supposed to do that.
>> I'm like, what are you getting?
>> Yeah. Oh, you know, trees.
Oh, there's splinters everywhere. Poor kid getting the splinter. Oh, it's probably the bark chips. Bark chips are always full of splinters.
Do I starve to death? No, I um I eat a vegan diet, but I try to focus on a whole food plant-based diet. So, if you look up the vegan daily dozen, it's the best way to make sure you get everything.
God didn't give us animals to exploit.
Vegans are stewards. I appreciate that, Daniel. Yeah, I agree. Um, from what it sounds like, God put humans here in order to take care of and, you know, be servants to the other animals, and it just kind of got flipped on its head.
Hey, no injustice lasts forever. Good to see you.
>> Oh, actually, you know what? Did I change it? Oh, it's only top messages, guys.
Usually, I'm really good about getting all the messages.
Exploit can mean a brave or notable achievement. The act of using something for advantage.
Yeah, but when it comes to a sentient being, it means to use someone unfairly for your benefit.
Oh Jesus, Pharaoh. That person is a butt.
>> You don't sell food. Really? Oh, I must be out of context with that. Uh, human bacon whiskey with waters. Maybe think about what you're saying. Humans taste like long or that guy even knew that um we're called long peg.
It was like >> that's something you made up.
>> No, it doesn't.
>> No. What doesn't?
>> I might I might have forgotten what you were talking about.
You had to record the last combo.
I've got it recorded, too. Um, yeah.
It it's interesting especially when people know a lot more about how humans exploit each other um that they don't see the correlation between humans and animals more often. Um cuz for me I was starting out more of like a human rights person and environmental and that's what led me to animal rights cuz I was like oh they feel just like we do then what's the difference? They deserve the same rights. Um because it's only sentience and humans that we really respect. It's nothing else.
I mean, we respect each other for a lot of things, but at bare minimum.
Awesome. No, no, it's all good. I was wondering, it might be the bark chips because there's bark chips around.
>> Is that what that is?
>> Yeah.
>> I'm like, what are they?
>> No worries. If you need them again, let me know.
>> Well, thank you.
>> Yeah, no worries.
>> There were a lot of people saying I was lying. I'm not talking about just you all of you are brainwashed. You can't take five minutes to read something that is fact. Instead, you go with whatever anyone says. Are you projecting? Because um I literally go through I read studies or metaanalysis or um scientific articles or um I listen to other people talk about logic and um you know it just I can't find a a moral logical reason to continue to exploit others. If you can avoid doing it, you should.
That's not the point. If you don't milk the cow, it dies. You people are the animal rights. Take 5 seconds to think about it. Jesus Pharaoh, can you please take a second to think about why the cow is pregnant? You don't make milk a cow, it dies. Google it. If you don't make a cow, I don't care about your opinions. That's just not true. I'm sure you meant mate instead of make. Um, there are animal sanctuaries. Have you ever looked at those? They don't mate the cows. And they don't have to milk them because they have to be pregnant and give birth in order to produce milk.
>> Exactly. If we don't breed them, we don't need to steal from We don't need to use them. But even if they're alive, we shouldn't be stealing from them. It's their body.
>> Making a cow my favorite hobby. Yeah, exactly. Like no, they were saying it's not their hobby. They were saying that if you don't make a cow, they die, which they meant mate, which is silly. A mating urge is not going to take the life of the cow. That's just the silliest thing I've ever heard.
Excuse me.
Hi.
Yeah, it's such a good day for a walk.
Welcome to America, home of the experiments.
>> Yeah, we do experiment on animals, but I'm pretty sure that's worldwide. Every every country does that sadly. Was a little senu or whatever they're called.
Wave rider, please. Tree, can you put your branch that way? Oh, it looks like it's broken up there.
>> See if I can move slightly. I'm right next to the tree, though, so I don't know. We'll see.
with the bush landing there. Keeps blocking my vision. It's kind of a good view. Anyway, there you go.
>> Hello from Germany. Tofu Tessy. What's up? I'm actually half German. Um my grandma grew up in a house uh called or the town is called Hullshine. The house is called um Lunto. Probably butchered the crap out of that. It's like runto.
Run off. Runoff. That's what it looks like. Blunt. That's how my grandma always said it. It's a big house. Um, they were part of the aristocrat pile.
So, good riddens, right?
Yeah. So, you can be ready for that. And also, um, not use animals.
Don't spam my chat. Thanks, Yeah, I know, right? Sean, the freaking crop desk one. I don't know why non-vegans think this is like a slam dunk. It's like, okay, if I as a vegan care about crop deaths and it's it even if it was inherent in crop farming, which it is not, but if it was inherent, it had to happen. I'm demanding fewer deaths than you are because a cow, a pig, they all eat more than a human does. And we have to feed them plants that we grow. So we have studies on this. If we stopped enslaving other animals, we could actually feed our world. We could feed 10 billion humans in fact. And at the same time of feeding 10 billion humans, reduce our a land use by 75%.
That means we would have room to stretch out, room to rew wild at the same time feeding everybody a fully a full calorie nutritious diet.
Right. Why aren't we doing this now?
Oh, my sign says, "Should the powerful have the right to oppress the powerless?" And on the other side, it says, "Joing a social experiment. Come talk to me."
>> Hi.
Doing a social experiment. You want to participate?
>> All right. Well, if you change your mind, I'm here. I'm I promise I'm not mean.
>> Thank you.
A, that was sweet to say.
The vegan wants a valid argument. They sit on a platform that promotes animal products on a regular basis and plans to destroy fields for data centers. I mean, Charlie, you're on here, too. You could just leave, right? Why aren't you living in the middle of the woods?
The issue actually is not so much that we have technology. It's that we have powerful people that are selfish and doing selfish things. So we could implement this technology in an ethical, moral, um, equitable manner, but instead it's always in a manner that benefits those at the top. So it's not the tech, it's the powerful that are the issue.
But, you know, you can you can actually be active and do something. What is this? Five memberships, Jason. Oh my gosh, thank you so much. I can't see who you gave them to.
Thank you so much, Jason. That's incredibly sweet of you. Oh, there it is. I see now the real Mibo. Yes, Samara got one. Jay Dog. Elijah lover and US USA Cowboy Patriot. Yes, thank you, Jason. Doves in the chat for Jason. That was incredibly, sweetie. Thank you so much. Thank you.
A Sarah, I see you. You're so act Oh, you giving me hearts now. Oh my god, you guys are too much. You guys are too much. Thank you so much for that. dubs in the chat for Sarah. Sarah's always in my lives and she's always spamming the hearts and she's very active in there.
You're amazing, Sarah. We need more activists just like you. Yeah, you're great. Oh, I love the green hearts. That always makes me feel good to see those.
It's toasty.
How long have we been up so far? 30 minutes. Nice.
Yes. Hey, Jake. Good to see you. Hey, real quick. A good resource to go check out is animaljustice221.org.
It's got a lot of resources on there, but mainly it's helps you reflect on the ethical reasons to go vegan. You know, it's good community and I believe there's a nutritionist that's volunteering and it's just it's a good groundup common people resource. It's very useful. So, please go check it out.
Animaljustice21.org.
Yeah, Jake Lagar. Go check him out. If you're not following Jake Lageter, go check him out now. He's on all the platforms.
>> Oh, gross. Frank, don't. That's not cool, man.
That is not cool.
There you go. Um, again, if you spam my chat, I'm going to mute you, you know, for a little bit. I won't kick you. I kicked one person on accident. Sorry about that. But, um, you just don't spam my chat and I won't be tapping on your name. It's that easy.
>> Make sure you're tapping on that screen.
Um, we're here in beautiful Vancouver, Washington at the waterfront park and it's actually really decent in the shade at least in the sun. It is toasty. I am roasty toasty when I stand in the sun.
Yeah. So, it doesn't really trigger me when you tell me that you're eating someone. It just makes me feel sad for the individual that you've exploited.
Uh, let's see. Um, I've got the one, but I've only been up 30 minutes. I mean, I don't really like talking to people either. Like, I'll avoid the Girl Scouts, you know? I'm not exactly one that likes to be interviewed. I'm pretty awkward. And I get it. I get why people don't want to talk to me, but even just seeing me once they get used to knowing why I'm there, they also I'm just a reminder. So, that's okay.
cuz I've also had people online tell me they watch my content and they've made changes because of what they watch.
Vegans are the biggest hypocrites. They are willing to wipe out thousands of what they call pest deer rabbits moles so they can feel good about themselves when they when they eat their vegetables. Frank, I think your feifes are hurt. That sounds so emotional.
Um, I actually hate that animals die in the fields. That's not okay. And I want that to be improved. We actually can have that future. We can grow plants without crop deaths. You know, vertical farming for example, indoor gardening for another example. Like there's we can do this. It's just about we have to have the majority of people to want those things, right? So that's why we're talking to our neighbors and our fellow citizens and our fellow residences and just, you know, trying to make that world that we all want to live in where it's fair for all of us regardless of our species, our skin color, our sexual orientation, our gender, etc. >> Oh, I just realized that Lori dropped down. It was okay, Lori, that you were up. I just I didn't know that uh you could invite yourself up. It was just kind of funny, that's all. You're welcome to sit up there if you like. I just can't talk to you.
Did I give that guy a card? I did. Okay.
I just had a moment of like, oh my gosh, the cards are in my back pocket. It's not normally where I keep them.
Oh my god.
Vegan in the Woods. What are you doing?
That's so sweet. Jason Juan Lopez.
CT House.
Pink Pink Punk. Sleepy Bonnie. Oh, wow.
You guys all got Thank you so much, Vegan. A veg in the I always want to say Vegan in the Woods. It's Veg in the Woods. Thank you so much, Veg in the Woods. That was so sweet. Thank you.
>> What's with all the metal? Oh, in my face. I think it looks cool.
>> Even the electricity you use and generated in ways that kill. Okay, so veganism is not against killing. Is that going to help? It's not against for Tik Tok. It's not against unaliving. We're against exploitation. I'm not against I'm not about harm reduction. I'm about not exploiting. I'm about liberation from exploitation.
I need water.
>> Hi.
>> All the metal on my face cuz I look good.
You just jealous or are you uh you trying to look at getting your own?
Maybe. I used to look at other people with their fancy jewelry and be like, "H, I want that piercing. That's so pretty. I can't pull them all off. I used to want more."
What?
Oh, okay. No, it's just putting them up side by side. It looked like there was another thing and I was like, "Oh my god, am I not paying attention?"
>> Yeah. Um, some people in here can definitely hush. Stop pulling water.
>> Yeah. Electricity is not an issue. Um the issue is exploiting animals. And if we actually came together as a people and decided that we didn't want to exploit animals anymore. Exactly. Pia 92.2 billion sentient land animals. It's not even including aquatic life.
It's something like if we wiped out the human race at the rate that we do land animals, we'd be wiped out in I think it was like a day and a half. And if it was including all the sea life, which I don't know why we wouldn't include them.
It would be a matter of like 9 hours.
9 hours to wipe out everybody. And that's what we do to the animals every year.
So, I'm going to tell you a story real quick. Um, yesterday there was a crow that got hit by a car in front of my house and we love our crows. Um, we give them peanuts and they caw at us when they want a peanut. So, it was pretty sad. And the crows are actually kind of having their own funeral, right? They're like circling around. They're cawing like getting really close and cawing and you know, they looked riled up. So, um, I put on gloves and I picked up the crow and I walked to the back and the whole time the crows are following me the whole time and then I buried their crow and I left the hole open for a while just so they could see what was happening and then we buried them. And uh, it was just it was really sad. And then this morning with anti-animal use for project liveream, if you haven't followed it's project liveream, go follow them now. It's Mel and Steve put on a great space for activists to shine a light on the darkest places in our world which are slaughterhouses which still have gas chambers in them or at least blades that are intended to slit someone's throat and drain them of everything. And to think of those crows, you know, they're having this experience of losing the one they love. And I'm seeing the chickens this morning and they're just watching their family get pulled and hung upside down right in front of them.
and then they meet the same fate, you know, like how can we do this with somebody that feels, that has emotions, that is sentient.
It's just not fair. And I think if I was them, if my companion was in there, I just can't even handle that thought.
Yeah. Exploitation means to use someone unfairly, not in their best interest, but for your benefit.
Yeah. Um I I don't support animal testing like vivisection or cosmetic testing. If I can avoid demanding it, I do. I don't, you know, if I can go without or have an alternative, that's my that's what I do because if I was the victim, that's what I'd want my oppressor to do.
No, we don't have to do chemical based fertilizers. We can actually do So, there's something called veganic farming and it's like a cross of vegan and organic. So, what we do is green manurss. You take plants and you compost them, but you keep certain plants in the compost. So, you have a specific kind of fertilizer.
It's called green manure. You make all these different types of them and they're incredibly beneficial to your growth of your crops. I actually grew giant pumpkins.
All my pumpkins, anything I've grown has been grown organically and they grow just fine and they're big and they're fine.
>> Yeah. Big beautiful background. We're at the waterfront park. Um this is the uh Columbia River.
So, um the Wamit spills into this one.
The Wamit is often very toxic. Um, when I was younger, because I lived by it, I remember kids playing in the Wamut and my dad and I laugh and be like, "Ah, they're going to wake up tomorrow with an extra arm just because so many companies dump their garbage in there."
But also farming communities. A lot of the reasons why these waterways get polluted, high nitrates, from farms, it's from fertilizer or from their poop.
most often they're poop just because I mean if you talk to anyone who's actually a large-scale farmer they're going to tell you they feel like more like poop managers than they do farmers because a lot of the times they're just the ones they have to take care of the poop the animals aren't theirs and they have to raise the animals to a code you know whatever their um corporation that they're growing them for wants taking advantage of the tree yeah I am but the tree isn't sentient so if it was a person that was just standing here and I jumped into their shade. That might be kind of weird, right? But they're they're not a sentient being. They don't have a brain or central nervous system.
These are these organs are imperative in order to express sentience.
>> My infection got my >> Yeah, we shouldn't harm any sentient beings if we don't have to, right? If we can go without whatever it is that we're looking for or there's an alternative, the more moral choice is to go without or use that alternative and not exploit the sentient being.
It's so simple.
A stormtrooper in here. Wow, I feel so famous.
All the regular trolls in here.
Honestly, all the vegans in here make me feel famous. You guys are amazing.
Always make me blush.
>> Why do you need to come up, Salis?
I'm actually talking to people in person today. So maybe on Monday. Monday I go live. You can talk to me. I'll pull you up.
>> Hi. Doing interviews. You want to be interviewed? No, thank you.
>> All right. Enjoy your day.
>> That's fair.
Hi. Do you want to be interviewed?
>> Uh, no thanks.
>> All right. No worries.
It's kid. That kid's face is adorable.
That's true. Vegan's eggplant lasts longer.
Yeah. Check out Game Changers. They go over that.
Hey, that vegan for life. Good to see you. So, we're out here in Vancouver, Washington at the waterfront park and we're hoping Oh, can I get an autograph?
Yeah. Right.
We're at the waterfront park. Uh there's a water feature that it's a permanent structure, but there's a water feature over there. And so, there's a lot of people here today cuz it's so hot. And it's, you know, a lot of the nice people. I've actually had conversations off camera, too. But, um gosh, that water looks so good. I almost just want to jump right in it.
Columbia is cold.
>> Hi.
>> I don't know. A lot of the statements are out of context, so I don't know what you guys are saying.
Oh, to explain why you're vegan. You can do it in the chat. I just can't pull people up. I can't hear you cuz I'm using the microphone. So, and I have stuff plugged in. So, it wouldn't even I wouldn't be able to hear you. And even if I could, it would probably echo.
Definitely need more water.
>> Yeah. If someone is starving, um, and they have no options. I'm not going to necessarily have a conversation with them. If I'm there, I'm going to help them and it will be vegan. But, um, I'm not trying to say that people should hurt themselves. I'm saying that exploiting animals is wrong. What justifies exploiting animals?
Um, I don't know if I have any mods in there, but it's to your discretion who you want to drop.
>> Um, I usually don't drop people unless they're really problematic. So, and I trust my vegans to tell me who is problematic.
>> Excuse me, I burped. That's rude.
Hi, Veganism is a justice movement against the exploitation of animals.
>> Yep, I agree. Um, another way to put it is that humans should thrive without exploiting animals or um, you know, an ethical stance against the exploitation of sentient beings or the really long one which is the vegan society one. I don't want to I don't have that one whole one memorized. I know the part about practicable and possible, which is just to the point as far as you literally honestly can. And it shouldn't be about someone checking up on you to make sure you're doing it. It's your mindset. It's more like it's like something you realize that you enjoyed is actually poop. And you're like, "Oh my god, gross." Right? You want to get rid of that as soon as possible. You don't want anything to do with that.
It's the same idea. That's poop. That's poop. That's poop. Animal exploitation.
Animal exploitation. Animal exploitation. That's all it is. It's like, "Oo, gross. I don't want to support that. You don't get my money.
You don't get my support." You know, and I'm verbally going to be against you.
That's more activism. Veganism is just not supporting it. It just doesn't You don't want to be a part of that and that you can thrive. You think that humans can thrive without using them, without using other animals.
Yes. It is so easy to be vegan.
So milk, eggs, and those items are still considered not vegan. Does it change anything if there is mutually beneficial like chickens, eggs, chickens, and eggs?
No. Because you could argue that having a human slave and you providing them room and board is a mutual exchange, but you're still robbing someone of their freedom. You're birthing someone into existence with a handicap that will forever need to be dependent on you so that you can get eggs. That's not fair.
It's never fair.
Someone else's movement is not to be redefined by others. Call yourself something else. Okay. You should hand out almonds and beans to help people consider options. You know, I have considered giving out like nut bars or something, but I think that um that's not the issue. people can find, especially here, Vancouver, Washington or Portland, Oregon. We have two vegan grocery stores. Two fully vegan grocery stores. Every single grocery store I go into has vegan options and the good ones. Every single one of them. We have the most vegan restaurants per capita, at least Portland does. Vancouver even has a has a I think a bakery and um a food cart that are 100% vegan. So this is really actually a very special corner. So these people over here, no one here has an excuse. There's no reason. Even even people that are food insecure, we have um food not bombs.
They're a vegan organization that provides vegan groceries and vegan meals twice a week. So no one has an excuse. If you have an option or can go without the more moral choice is to not exploit someone.
You have beauty sunny days. Why are you wasting it for the activism? Because those those victims I'm advocating for, they don't get to enjoy this day, right?
I was actually at a vigil this morning.
I was saying goodbye to chickens and they don't get to experience this.
They're dead now.
So sad. These individuals, too. They're so sweet and the way they sit. They remind me of cats. The way that cats kind of loaf up. The chickens look like that. And they're dead now. They were hung upside down. Had their throat slit.
Not eating. That's dumb. I eat. I just don't eat someone's. I eat things.
Veganism is not a diet. Exactly. Veg in the wood. Wood woods.
So, I'm actually not out here promoting the IP28, but I am absolutely for it.
And I don't even think it goes far enough. Everyone's all crying about, "Oh, but certain cultures aren't being respected." It's like, uh, you're not respecting the animals. What about their cultures?
>> Right? What about what they want?
I think we humans can get along just fine without using them. And I think most people that have beautiful cultures can recognize that they can continue their cultures without exploiting someone.
You don't need to exploit someone for your culture.
And in fact, I would think that any culture that does exploit someone, like American culture, at one time it was cultural to enslave others.
That didn't make it moral. It didn't it didn't mean that it shouldn't stop. It meant it was cultural. That's it. The cultural doesn't absolve something of its morality.
>> God instructed us to protect these things in nourish our bodies and serve him and he give us everlasting life.
Well, that's great. Just don't, like I said, I don't mind whatever it is that you want to do.
Just leave sentient beings out of it.
Don't use your religion or your your faith um to justify violating someone. It's never never good. Every time we look guy look back in history and someone has done that, it's always been disgusting and for the oppressor, never for the victim.
Why would you want to repeat that?
Veganism. So, it's not I would say someone said that uh veganism is a um privilege and I would argue Hey, Vegan Travel. What's up? Go check out I believe it's is it Green Earth Travel.
Shoot, now I forgot your full name.
Put it in the chat. I'll try to shout out because I want to shout there's a lot of people that travel and if they can find um someone who's plant-based vegan travel, you know, that's the best.
if you know, at least go follow Vegan Travel, if I can remember. Green Earth Travel. Thank you so much, Vegan Travel.
So, check out Green Earth Travel. If you want to travel and be vegan, they can help you out with that.
I had something I was going to say, now I forgot. I got so excited to see uh vegan travel.
Sorry, I choose not to live my life by your definitions and approval. That's fine. It's not about me and what I think of you. It's about the animals. You know, you don't need me to prove that animals feel. You can look that evidence up yourself, right? So, animals feel.
They care about what happens to themselves. Do you need what what we get from animals? Is is is them losing everything worth it for what you get, what you take from them, that 15 minutes of pleasure.
Imagine, you know, your cat or dog or your companion of some sort and it's like they they don't get to live anymore.
That's enough life for you. Now you get to be someone else's taste pleasure.
Wouldn't that bother you? That's not fair.
>> Hi.
>> I'm doing interviews. You want to be interview? No. All right. Enjoy the sun.
Oh, I'm not bringing guests up. Um, just cuz I can't hear you or talk to you in any I mean, I could talk at you, but I wouldn't be able to hear anything you say. I'm sorry.
I would love to bring guests up. Maybe that'll be something we do in the future. Maybe I can hook up like some headphones or something. I don't know how I do. I got wireless headphones.
Maybe it'll work. I don't know. This is not Portland. This is Vancouver, Washington at the Waterfront Park. And um oh, it's just gorgeous out today. And it's a little roasty toasty. The water features on over there, so everyone's cooling off, but it's just it's a nice day. Not getting a lot of conversations right now. So, I'm just talking with you guys.
It's amazing how many people want to tell me that they like meat in their mouth.
Respect all animals that I've eaten.
Well, that right there is an oxymoron.
Eating animals is completely normal.
Stop making it not normal. We have to need We have the need to eat meat. It's been the case for thousands of years. I don't eat meat. There's mo many vegans in here. They don't need meat.
We actually have evidence that no human needs meat. You don't need anything specific. You need nutrients. You can get all your nutrients from plants, fungi, and seaweed.
Everything tastes better with human bacon.
Gross, Alex. That's gross.
Um, that human wanted to live.
Earth can support everyone or Earth can support everyone's needs, but but not everyone's greed. Oh, that's good. And I butchered it. That was good. Earth can support everyone's needs, but not everyone's greed. That's good.
Animals eat what? Animals eat animals.
What are we? We are animals. But then animals also grape other animals.
Animals unjustly unal alive each other.
So what are you suggesting? I hope you're not suggesting that those actions are moral now cuz that would be wild.
>> Another one. The future is vegan.
Most animals on Earth eat plants. That's true. Yeah. Today is the one-year anniversary of Project Liveream. Such a good point. And I didn't talk about this. So, um yeah, go follow it. It's Project Liveream. Um It's Mel and Steve.
Um Melon Steve, but their um page name is It's Melon Steve. They make this I don't know. I don't know how else to put it. I just say they make a space. that they've invited vegan vegan activists from around the world to shine a light on slaughterous and that's what we were doing this morning and I just really appreciate them doing that cuz it I don't know there's something about just having someone supportive there to be like hey like that nudge to go out there and do it you can do it you got this I don't know it did it and there's so many vegans out there and that's what we need we need more voices speaking up because this atrocity is still happening right now um but what I wanted to add to also because you brought up that's the one-y year anniversary. Pia, thank you so much for that comment. You reminded me reminded me of so much. It's also this I believe the sixth year anniversary of Reagan Russell's death. So Reagan Russell was standing in front of the truck doing the whole two minute give us two minutes to check out the pigs. This is in Canada and um the truck driver just slammed right into her. And from what from what I gather and what a lot of people gather, he could have clearly seen her and that he purposely murdered her. We can't like, you know, those on the side can only watch and speculate, but I've been I've heard that there might be more happening and maybe some little ounce of justice might come out. I don't know.
But anyway, sixy year reunion anniversary of losing uh Reagan Russell, which is just sickening because she was just standing up for everyone actually, but that day she was there for the animals. And um her sign even says, "If it were you, I'd stand up for you." Or something like that. And it's like, I don't know how we can hate these people that are just preaching peace and non-exloitation.
So, rest in peace, Reagan.
Thank you for doing what you do because or what you did because it's inspired so many to also stand up and speak up because I also if I was in there I'd want you standing up for me Reagan.
It's just frustrating.
We're not built to unal alive anybody.
Look at these these pathetic teeth.
We're not that. I think that, you know, we can we can lose it a little bit. I think that we've partaken in something that is hard to stop. It's kind of like coffee. Coffee you don't need, right?
But this coffee is exploitation. This coffee is demanding someone pass away for you or be exploited for you directly. And it's like if we if you didn't have you never tried coffee, wouldn't care about it. You would never try you, you know, as you grow older, you wouldn't develop that fondness. that we exposed ourselves to those things or our parents forced it on us and and then it's it is a thing that we have to get over because now it's culturally and nostalgically tied in our brain. But that still doesn't give you any justification for continuing, you know.
We're not built for that. We're not we're not predators. We're um opportunistic scavengers.
Have you ever >> I let it stay there for so long. Thank you for the green hearts. Yeah, spam the green hearts today especially.
>> Addiction with a victim. Exactly.
>> Oh, I see. It's out of context. I see. I see. Uhoh. Oh, I got to do the puzzle piece. Oh, that's interesting.
We are from hunter gatherers. Yeah, it doesn't matter what we did in the past.
What matters is that we can thrive right now without using animals. Gosh, nobody has walked by me in forever.
I don't know. We'll go a little bit longer.
I'm sure someone will walk by.
We're not walking in front of semi-truckss today.
Oh, I uh so what happened was for me today I was actually crossing in a crosswalk legally um to take a picture of the truck and yes they had to wait for a second but it wasn't it wasn't like I was going so slow that they couldn't stop or something like it wasn't a dangerous situation that I set up. They decided to continue driving and almost hit me. And um actually someone on my team was recording so we can see how close they got to me. And I yelled at them as they were driving away. I'm like, we had just been confronted by the cops. They were telling us you can't walk in the roads to mess up traffic, which is not what I was doing. And um I really wish that the cops had been there to witness it because I told them these truck drivers drive recklessly because they're mad at us. And I don't think that's right. I don't think that's fair that they can do that. And the cop even was like, "I'm sorry they're doing that to you." And I'm like, I mean, that's a was a fake sorry, but you know, it's Yeah, you should be sorry. They're impeding on my First Amendment right.
They're trying to terrorize me out of doing it when literally it does not affect them in any way. They don't get paid less if someone buys less of the things that they're making out of someone's body.
No, because it does matter who we truly are. It doesn't.
>> Hi. I'm doing interviews. You guys want to be interviewed?
>> All right, you guys have a good day.
They would They look like a good group to interview.
Are vegans anti-abortion advocates as well? Uh there are pro-choice and pro-life vegans. You can be either. Um abortion is not about exploitation. So, you can advocate for whatever you believe and not uh not exploit other animals. It's that easy.
I'm going to change my sign. Maybe the social experiments been seen too much.
Beautiful blue one.
If you guys like my science, go check out uh the radical vegan. Alexandria is amazing. She's a graphic design artist and also an animal rights advocate and um she also has her own I think it's neon her own protests going on as well.
She does outreach on her own as an she just she's a freaking I'm a little envious. She's amazing. But anyway, she made these signs. So I'm doing interviews. You guys want to be interviewed? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, she made these signs and this one actually she made for our group specifically cuz we dumb and don't have multiple languages, which we probably should, but she made an all English one for us. I really appreciate her doing that. And then on the other side, so this side says powerful versus powerless. I realize it it's going to be flipped around for you guys. And then this says, um, fair or unfair. you uh test yourself now. So then you look at this and you're like, "Oh, what if they speak another language or they have a high IQ? What if they have, you know, different DNA?" And um you know, maybe they got hairy arms or something. Do any of these things justify exploiting someone? Hi. I'm doing interviews. You want to be interviewed?
>> Okay, maybe I'll just put it there.
Oh, wow. It wasn't dropping. Oh, wow.
You guys have been talking. Thank you so much.
I got your hairy ears.
Yeah, I got big ears. And I decided if I'm going to have big ears, I'm going to decorate them. Oh my gosh, it's so warm.
I keep needing water.
Sorry, you don't need to hear me slurping.
>> Yeah. If someone has the capacity to suffer, do they do they deserve moral consideration? I think I need to hold this. I just don't think people are going to notice me without it.
I mean, humans are animals. Are you saying that humans are also food?
>> Exactly. We all We all avoid harm if we can. We look forward to that next pleasurable experience.
>> Exactly. Dogs and cats, they're also animals.
Exactly. Whether you're pro-life or pro-choice, animals would app would probably appreciate us not killing them.
I agree with that sentiment.
Yeah, plants only react to stimuli. So, like who see Let's see who's in here. If you're a vegan, go ahead and put a one in the chat. If you're not vegan but curious, put a two. And if you're just not vegan and just here to cause trouble, put a three.
So my vegans.
Okay, we've got looks like a bad Larry.
Okay, a couple of threes I see. Okay.
I mean, what brings you into a vegan life if you don't care about veganism and have no curiosity to it?
Two is not vegan but curious.
Hey, vegan heretic. Good to see you.
Debating my logic. What's What logic are you disagreeing with? I just think that if someone has the capacity to suffer and you don't need to use them that you should avoid exploiting them.
>> So what don't you agree with?
>> Hi. I'm doing interviews. You want to be interviewed?
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Uh, Lilia, that's a great great way to So, there are people exploiting women just to perform abortions on them.
>> I hope not. Gosh, if that is happening in the world, that is terrible and should stop.
>> Yeah, exactly. We actually did breed human slaves, unfortunately, um, to be slaves. So if someone is bred by a another being, does that mean that that purpose that's forced on them that's moral to use them for?
All vegans are uh not exactly all vegans are pro-life.
I would say um it has nothing to do with veganism. There are people from all different political spectrums that are vegan. Veganism just recognizes that animals feel and that you don't need to use them.
I bet you wear pants.
>> I don't know why that just cracked me up.
Yes, I do wear pants.
Yes. Um, feel like a lot of non-vegans, they just feel, um, I don't know, they know they're wrong and they're scared of change. So, the best thing to do is to bring down the ones that are reminding them that they're being little babies.
>> Sierra, oh my gosh, good to see you.
>> I feel like I haven't looked at the chat in so long. Oh, I miss you guys. I'm going to I'm definitely going to look at it today. I've just been honestly not looking at my phone, sitting outside with the kitty.
Oh, it's good to see you. Oh my gosh.
It really makes me happy to see you.
Wake up. Go vegan.
Yeah, I was going to say if you um if you believe in the Abrahamic religions, definitely have a chat with Daniel.
Daniel is a great reference to talk to.
Also, Vegan Heretic. I think I saw him in the Tik Tok chat, but he's also here on YouTube. So, check out Daniel Broccoli or the Vegan Heretic. They're both great.
Vegan Heretic actually wrote a book called um Vegan Versus the Versus. So, might have already answered your question. You're in both. Oh, you're multitasker. I see.
Did I miss something? Oh, it flew by. I didn't see.
I can't go vegan. I already am. And now is turning into a vegan hangout, I guess. So having pets is exploitation.
Yes. If you go out buy and you purchase someone to be your toy, that's exploitation. If you go to a shelter and you're able to provide someone a rich life, that's that's just you being a great person. That's beautiful.
Everyone should be trying to help others. But like I said, if you're breeding someone to be a perfect toy for you, or you even go to a shelter and you buy a toy, someone to entertain you, and they don't meet your needs, a vegan wouldn't send them home or send them to the shelter again. A vegan would be like, "You be you. I'm glad I was able to rescue you."
>> Nose rings. Why are they sad? I think they're cute.
I think he might be one of the few non-vegans in here. What made you vegan?
Honestly, um, so first I I found out about animals and what they go through when they're being slaughtered. So, I went vegetarian first and then when I realized what happens to cows in the dairy industry and what happens to chickens in the egg industry, I just couldn't support that anymore. So a dairy dairy cow, she's a mammal. She has to be pregnant and give birth in order to make milk.
What happens to her baby? If he's male, what happens to him?
He gets turned into ve or a lot of farms if they don't have access to a market, they just unal alive him right there with either like a shovel or a gun. Pew pew. I'm sorry.
You know, is that ever fair to make to force first off a family onto somebody?
To force penetration onto somebody without their consent, even if they're not fully aware of it. That's immoral.
So, she has to be penetrated against her consent, have a baby, and then be separated from the baby for you to have the milk.
>> Are you a baby cow?
I had two grown adult men listening to the whole conversation eating ice cream >> looking at me.
>> Yeah. So, an animal as you so um smartly I don't I don't have the biggest vocabulary. astutely pointed out, animals can't give valid consent, right?
They can, even if a child can say, "I want to be pregnant." That's not real consent cuz they don't truly understand what it is that they're consenting to.
So, animals, it's even a f a harder step farther away cuz we can't even communicate with them, let alone make sure they understand the gravity of what it is that they would be committing to.
So when someone cannot consent to their treatment and it's not in their best interest, how do you how do you justify that?
Yeah, there's vegan ice cream. Cashew base is the best. Oat is also actually really good. Oat and cashew are my favorite. They're so creamy and delicious. Actually, there's a place here called Face Plant that has the um it's an Oreo milkshake and Oh my god, that was so good. It's delicious.
Ice cream is made with the breast milk of a cow. And I just went through that.
A dairy cow must be pregnant in order to produce milk. Or not just pregnant, she has to give birth.
So, do you think the farmer waits for her to get pregnant or do you think farmer just forces her to be pregnant because he's on a schedule and needs to produce a product on time?
I'm a cow whisperer and all the ones I slaughter give me consent. Well, obviously you're lying.
So, and again, I even just explained even if we could communicate with them, we don't have a way to make sure they fully understand what they're committing to. Just like children, so even if I could talk to a child and they're like, "Yes, I want to be married." They don't understand what they're consenting to. Does that make sense to you now, user?
>> Ooh, delicious caramel cluster. That's the best. Yes, I agree. I get that one all the time. That is my probably my favorite store-bought one for sure. So good. But it makes me so fat cuz it's ice cream. It's vegan ice cream, but it's still ice cream.
Yes, a cow must be pregnant in order to produce milk. She has to give birth. So, so it's not just that she's pregnant, it's that she has to give birth. So the farmer makes her pregnant either by putting his arm up her rectum to grab her cervix and hold it in place while their other hand with a little syringe squirt bullsemen into her vagina and then they massage it in.
And then to get the bullsemen they have to put buzzies in a bull's bum until he goes. And there's videos on Tik Tok. Actually, if you go on my Tik Tok and you look at my response videos, there's a guy with his face like this goddamn close, whacking off a bowl. It's pretty dis.
And they're having their child watch.
They're explaining what is happening to the child. It's terrible. Terrible.
Um, what if someone wanted to do that for a hobby, right? like, "Oh, but they have to. But they don't have to. We don't need dairy. We don't need to subject farmers to doing these things to the animals so that you can have dairy.
We don't need that. Why are you still demanding it?" Right? You can move your dollar. Buy the non animal product, right? Hey, Jen. I saw you in here, I think, a second ago. It's good to see you.
Oh, I love seeing all my vegans.
Oh, I might have missed some of your comments, guys. It just jumped down.
Tad Auto, good to see you.
Sorry I'm not engaging. Working on Animal Justice 21 reflections for the day and didn't see when Anna went live.
Oh, no worries, Tad. You actually I'm glad you said that cuz I need to do mine today as well. So, you are on top of it.
You're like on I think like day 11 now or something. Maybe I shouldn't share that.
I just wanted to give you your kudos.
Maybe I overshared. I'm sorry.
Where's the other one?
>> Plants feel pain. I hope that's a joke.
>> I don't know if I'm going to get any more conversations cuz I keep my back turned like this is actually kind of weird to get people cuz they often are coming from here. Maybe I should stand over here like this. I feel like I've been so focused on talking to you guys that uh I forgot that I was trying to get people.
Yeah, vegans are brainwashed to not want to exploit sentient beings. How dare they? They see someone who can feel pain and wants to avoid suffering and they they don't exploit them. What lunatics.
Oh my gosh, the cutest little squirrel over there. Oh my gosh. Are you coming over here, buddy?
Oh my god, they're so cute. Um, they look different from the squirrels by my house. The squirrels by my house are like gray. This guy is like brown. He's like half brown, half gray. And he's just like a different shape.
Oh, he's so cute.
They don't feel pain. You can look it up. Look up uh debunking a myth, plant consciousness. You'll find that this was actually done over the last 50 years.
They looked at plant sentience and all these studies that say they sang to the plant or they did nice things to the plant or they did horrible things and they got results from the energy that the plant was absorbing or some crap like that. Those have not been reliably repeated.
I encourage you, why don't you try to repeat them? Go look them up. Look up their methodologies and repeat it yourself. Tell me what you find out cuz that's that paper you could save yourself a lot of time. goes over how the studies that look at those same phenomenons and identify them as just reacting to stimuli, those have been reliably repeated.
You will get the same result.
So, it's important to do your research and not just listen to one news article that sens sensationalized one study.
The very animals they claim to save eat other animals for protein. Yeah, but we can So, if you're talking about companion animals, we can actually feed companion animals um alternatives. We have everything we need to make the foods healthy for them and we know what they need. So, we could actually cover that if we came together as a people to do that. Um, but I just I can't see myself going out after someone because I think they're going to hurt someone or blaming someone because they were born in a body they didn't ask to be born in, you know. So, cats didn't ask to be born into their bodies. And I don't think it's fair to take their life just because they have to consume flesh. What I do think is that those that are taking care of those cats have an obligation to speak up for those animals that are being exploited and to look for alternatives because there are vegan cat foods. There are vegan dog foods. Um the animals I can I'm concerned about are you know kind of like snakes and reptiles. I don't know.
I haven't looked into those. But the point is you would start demanding a vegan alternative looking into is it possible and if someone has already started to do it and probably a lot of vegans are trying to solve a lot of issues because it all gets brought up at once when you're just trying to advocate for someone else to not violate others rights. So there's a lot of us thinking about all the different ways that we could live in a world where everyone is treated fairly.
Just got to keep asking No, it's not about what you eat that makes you vegan. It's about your mindset. How you view other animals. Do you see them as a someone or something to be used for you?
>> You can eat a salad and still think animals are an object.
>> Using it as a secondary monitor is kind of my favorite thing to do.
>> I probably could have asked them. I kind of I kind of gave up.
Yeah, I don't know what happened if they discovered more knowledge.
Uh, yeah, babies are someone. Yes, a baby is outside of the womb. So, if you're trying to trick me into something, my, if you want my perspective, this is not the vegan perspective. This is my perspective on the whole abortion thing.
Um, I think that you should respect sentience, but I also think that regardless of if you're sentient or not, and you're inside my body without my consent, I will eject you. If I don't consent to you being there, I don't care. It's my body and I respect anybody else that makes that choice.
But most people, they don't want to get an abortion. It's not I don't know. It's such a silly thing to bring up and cry about. The animals are losing their life every day, every minute. Like I literally went to the slaughter house.
The chickens are being processed right there. Like you can smell it, you know?
Like doing interviews. You want to be interviewed?
>> Okay.
Like seriously, get it a little bit more little bit more perspective, right? Like the battle you're fighting is not even about your body. I'm telling you use your body to do the right thing. I'm not telling you to go tell other people how to use their body. Telling you you're going against your own principles and violating someone.
Hi.
>> Doing a social experiment. You want to participate?
>> Sure.
>> Yeah. I'm live on YouTube. Is that okay?
>> Awesome. I appreciate it. Okay. So, I'll flip this here.
>> Oh my god. Am I going to look stupid?
>> No. I hope not. I I I don't try to. I don't try to do that to you. All right.
So, I'll have you come a little bit close. Oh, you're actually right in frame. Let me slightly point a little bit. There we go. Awesome. Um, and if you feel like you want to step away, you're welcome. Just to walk away.
>> Okay.
>> So, my name's Diana. What's yours?
>> Jessica.
>> Jessica. Lovely to meet you.
>> Uh, what brings you out here today?
>> Just uh enjoying the the good weather with after all the rain. So, >> yes, I agree. We had a lot of gray for a long time. Um, so I'll just jump right into it. What do you think about the dynamic between the power and the powerful or the powerful and the powerless? Do you think someone who has some advantage, maybe they're really strong or they're really smart, do you think that that advantage gives them the right to oppress those that don't have that advantage?
>> No, I don't.
>> I agree. I agree. Okay. So, what about if um what if the one being oppressed can't speak?
>> They're non-verbal.
>> Non-verbal.
>> Yeah. They can't communicate anyway. But I hope they have somebody that can speak for them.
>> Yeah, I agree. I agree. It would be immoral Oh, I'm sorry, hun. It would be immoral to exploit them, right? What about um what if this is going to sound a little weird. What if the oppressor is a different species?
>> Different species.
>> Yeah.
>> Come help me.
>> Maybe maybe maybe aliens come down and they want to exploit humans. Do you think they have the right to if they're smarter than us or something?
>> No, I don't.
>> Yeah. Okay. I agree. I agree. All right.
So then this is where it kind of feels like a trap, but you know, I just genuinely want to know your your thoughts on it. What do you think about the animals that we use for like food, clothing, entertainment, like the circus or the zoo or vivise section or testing on them with co cosmetics? What do you do? You think that we're the oppressors in that situation and they're the oppressed?
>> Yes, I do. Makes me very sad.
>> Yeah, I agree. Um, >> do you think there's anything that we need from them that might justify what we do to them?
>> What we need from them?
>> Yeah.
>> Like maybe there's something we can't get from other sources, so that might justify what we do. No, I I think that, you know, I think you get it from plants in other places and >> it's something that we've always done and then we have a craving for it as far as like eating meat or that kind of thing, you know. Um >> I I think every living creature that can't speak for itself, you know, they need someone there to defend them like >> so that's just my >> Have you heard the word vegan? Have you heard the word vegan before? Okay, awesome. Are you vegan?
>> I'm not vegan. Um, but I have tried and um, you know, I do limit like what as far as what animal products I do eat.
Um, you know, I'm not really a big beef eater or anything like that. So, I think the last thing is trying to give up chicken, but >> okay.
>> Um, but I do take care of animals and I I do believe that they >> I I feel more sorry for an animal that's abused than I do a person cuz I feel like they can help themselves whereas animals are put in this situation where where they can't. They they need us to survive and we've taken a lot of their their areas and we've built on their properties or ecosystems and they can't they can't do anything about it.
>> Yeah. Exactly. So, um is there anything that might stop you from maybe walking away from this conversation and living vegan?
>> Um >> regardless of if you call yourself that, just those the idea of not using it.
>> No, I think it today it's really easy.
you know, there's just so many other alternatives and you know, any kind of um products that even the supermarkets and every restaurant, you know, here at least you can find something on the menu that doesn't >> You're so honest. I love it so much. Can I give you a resource card? It might help you um with those last bits. All right. So, um >> I'm sorry that I'm really warm. The sun is getting me now. Yeah.
>> Um so, on the back side is a documentary. Would you be willing to watch it on your own time? Awesome. So, that is not a gotcha film. It's called Dominion. You can look it up free on YouTube and it just shows you standard practice of what is inherent. Like there just those standard practices. So whenever you do have that craving, just think about what process had to go through for that. That's that's what I do every time is like what would I want if I was the victim?
>> And most often I would want my oppressor to not buy my body part or my family's body part.
>> Um also on that card though is nutrition information. I'll show you. Um, on this side it's got little boxes on it and it's just like a little checklist to make sure you get everything you need on a whole food plant-based diet.
>> And it's just a it's just a nice like make sure you get everything, but I eat some junk food. So, I like to take a supplement cuz it's easy, >> but you don't have to. What's nice about that checklist is that it's whole foods.
So, um, there is the suggestion of a B12, but the animals that we use, they get B12 injections or they're fed cobalt, which then turns into B12. So, it's like who has it harder taking a supplement or the animal walking into the slaughter house, right? Yeah. Well, I appreciate you talking. Can I ask you one last hard question? I'll let you go.
>> How many more animals do you prefer be exploited for you? Is it more than zero?
>> How many animals do I want prefer exploited? Zero.
>> Yeah, exactly. Can I give you a high five? Oh my god. Thank you so much. Um, so also on that card you can find the live um or just look up anti-an animal use or excuse me, vegan stoner lady. I forgot. I have a group that I do this with and I do it on my own as well. But vegan certainly you can rewatch the live and see how you did.
>> All right, have fun.
>> Awesome, you guys. Thank you, Jessica.
You guys have a great day.
>> Oh, that was the best conversation.
Wow, I love honest people. I bet it was kind of hard to talk to me though. I'm a little shiny.
>> Yeah, I try to be nice in person. people are not as trolly. So, it's it's a little easier to be my honest self when I'm online. Some people are really like I feel like I have to be like this a little bit. Um, so I'm a little more quick to jump on someone, but in person people are a little more genuine. So, or they're at least polite.
>> That's terrible, Savage. Why would you do that to a poor rabbit? You know, rabbits when they get um when they're unal alived for Tik Tok purposes, um when they're unal alive, they actually scream and they sound eerily similar to humans. I don't I just don't know why anybody would get pleasure from taking their life. That's no. Um well, I think I'm going to end it right here. It's really hot and um the sun is starting to creep over and I just can't I'm gonna People are not going to want to talk to me if I'm sticky and fuzzy and gross all at the same time. So anyway, um I'm going to head out and just chill. And if you're not vegan, you should be vegan. Um go follow some of the vegans in here. Exactly. I'm sure that if I can't inspire you, someone in here in this room can. Um, actually real quick. So, if you're a vegan, put a one.
If you're not vegan, but you're curious, put a two and you know the rest of you do whatever you want to do.
Yes, that's what's up. Hey. Okay.
Right on.
>> Awesome. Okay. We got a decent. So, all those ones, please go follow them. go talk to them. Um, I saw YouTube finally started to add some kind of messaging system. So, you could probably just directly message them on YouTube, but you can also look for them on the other social medias, you know, like Instagram, Tik Tok, all those places. So, awesome.
Yeah, thank you guys. Oh, I love the stickers. You guys are great. Okay. Um, you guys have a great day. Enjoy yourself. Stay hydrated.
And I'll catch you next time. Okay. If you're not vegan, go vegan.
Okay.
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