Insatiable LIBIDO on TRT is EASY, TRT Protocol Live Optimization/Discussion, and Anabolic Add-ons

Added: 2026-05-05

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[00:03:27]Hi chat.

[00:03:29]What's up brother? How are you? Uh boys wanted to tell you that uh the April intake coaching window, this discounted window where I've slashed the prices about 50%. Uh is coming to an end.

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[00:03:43]Coaching will be closed down for probably about three two two three months and we'll be doing strictly single session consults. So please keep that in mind if you want to get on with coaching. uh you won't be able to get on after this ends, which will probably be six, seven days or so, uh for another few months. So, if you're thinking about getting on, this is the time because coaching will go away for at least a month. It really all depends. I'm going to be over booked at that point or booked at capacity. So, I'll be doing single session calls, but uh coaching is going to go away for a little bit. Uh so, keep that in mind. I'll leave the graphic on the screen. Uh otherwise actually before we get to questions listen there there is a a confusing nature uh there's a you know a there is a notion out there that on TRT the uh young man style libido is impossible to achieve and I think you know people felt that in the honeymoon phase and then it the reason people think that it can't be achieved otherwise is through protocol adjustments that land them out of their uh both their their sex hormone ranges for good libido and the dopamine side of libido as well as injection experiments like when we're talking about injections that just do not work for that individual like subq daily injections you know I mean I've taken people from subq daily injections same dose no libido pretty piss poor erections to killer libido and greater actions for penetrative sex with the same dose and even still doing subq just splitting it every other day or every third day. Um so I I think that there and and then the libido is back insatiably. Uh the truth is in my experience in coaching although there are some uh troubling cases usually these are people with PFS or these are people that have changed a protocol so many times and their hormone receptors are in a strange place from so many changes you know and their their whole protocol their many protocols have been convoluted over many months which are more challenging to dial in libido but for the vast majority of cases, uh, killer insatiable libido is pretty easy to achieve. And I want people to understand that the the the goalpost is not miles away at any time. At any time, right? Because if you think about your attempts to dial in, I'm sure you've had very good windows within those attempts.

[00:06:17]You've got people that are switching from cipate to prop and within the first 3 to 5 days, suddenly they have in incredible sexual function. Like everything's great and then it just goes away. Well, the mistake you definitely made in that case is not to go and run labs on estradiol, total testosterone, free task, DHT at that time to get a snapshot of where exactly you need to be. You know, I have snapshotted all of my windows with every esther. So, I know what doses will get me in that window, whether it's with an AI or without an AI. And so the sex drive, the erection quality, it's all achievable on every esther for me because I've snapshotted the bloods and and seen both what the ratios need to be for me as well as what the numbers need to be at different doses. So please understand that like killer libido on TRT is not far away at all. You've probably been there before and exited that window. So you've got to figure out how to replicate the conditions of that window. I mean, this is what I live for and this is what I do in coaching and doing consults. Uh, all right, let's get to chat. If I need to use 0.25 milligrams of Armendex per week on every other day injections, is it best to take that 0.25 dosage split up into 0.125 twice a week or all at once?

[00:07:31]Well, if you require that much arimidex, which for some people is a lot and for others it's a manial dose, then it's safe to say there's really no risk of crashing estradile. If there's a risk of crashing it with 0.25, you wouldn't want to do that. But my honest assessment is that because armedex has a 48 hour half-life but like an ultimate 7 to 10 day active life like at day seven it's still actually going to be inhibiting aromatase enzymes just uh to a minor extent compared to day one and two. It is better to dose it every seven days. If you can find an aridex dose that works for you every seven days.

[00:08:09]What you do is you just you just stay in your estrogen window. That's it. and therefore you keep the androgen estrogen ratio favorable for sexual function. Again, most men are going to find that on TRT that between 25 and 35 with some being able to push 45 to 55 is the window for them. But if I were to pick a number, it would be 30. Yeah. I mean 30 like for every single protocol that I've ever had and for most clients, not all clients, there are some people that actually via some heavy androgen receptor sensitivity and some unknown factors do require higher levels of androgens and less thus higher levels of estradile like 4555. For most people it's just 30.

[00:08:53]Now if you could just if you could if you could reach about 900 to a,000 tests with 30 estradile you're going to be super dialed in. So in this regard, all you're trying to do is reach that zone for you, whether it's 30 or whether it's 45 or again those rare few that it's 55 in astrodile and stay in that zone for the entire 7-day period, you know, and if if 0.25 of aidex is not drastically killing your estrogen, then you should be able to stay in that window considering the androgens are aromatizing into estradiol all the time.

[00:09:28]You're just cutting that aromatization down by call it 30%. On a dose that you might be at, you might land at 70 estradiol, but instead with 0.25 milligrams ruminex once a week, you hover around 25 to 35 and you stay right in your zone. Frankly, the answer is I think you should try to make it you should try to work it so that once a week is best. Yeah. Even if you're doing every other day injections, the the complication with that potentially is your your injections are, you know, they're pretty close together for a once-w weekly estrogen control.

[00:10:03]And it might actually be better if you could manage it and if there are no side effects and if your body feels right, doing a once weekly injection and then you know the next day dosing some armex but doing that once every seven days.

[00:10:15]Rick Diaz also says, "Why is it you feel that every 30-day injection could be the sweet spot? What are the mechanism behind this? It's not that I feel like that's that that could be the sweet spot. I've just seen it be the sweet spot for a lot of people. Every other day is good as well. Uh every day is where people typically have problems unless it's a lower dose and it's done intramuscularly and then then it seems to be okay. What I think is this first of all when you peak androgens from a every third day injection the estrogen the aromatization lags behind. So in that 3 days, especially in the first day and the second day, you have a a great androgen to estrogen ratio. Now, once that estrogen starts catching up, you reach sort of the trough.

[00:10:57]You then go reinject again and create that same ratio. And as long as the total weekly dose isn't enough, also considering how much hCG you use to take you out of your range in serum estrogen, you'll just have great sexual function and feel great the whole time. That's why I think that at the same time uh the proponents of daily injections suggest that estrogen ends up lower especially the subq daily people than if they had you know injected twice a week or once a week and that's not always the case.

[00:11:29]What it what what the daily injections do is prevent estrogen from peaking as high as they would if you injected less frequently. But none of this factors in how quickly an individual excretes, metabolizes, and thus excretes estradiol from their body via glucaronidation and other things. And so some people on infrequent injections, by the time it they're they're ready to reinject, they they've excreted a good degree of estrogen out of their body.

[00:11:54]They're we're constantly doing that, by the way. We are constantly metabolizing and excreting estrogen from the body.

[00:12:01]So it's like at that time uh the estrogen excretion keeps up with the aromatization and the androgen estrogen ratio is always is always better. At the same time as I've harped on a lot and I'll harp on not one last time but another time here. Uh there is an androgen threshold that some bodies need to cross in order for the libido signaling think the lyic system and the hypothalamus uh as well as dopamine in the brain.

[00:12:41]They need that threshold to be crossed in order to have great libido and for the penile tissue DHT and the neurological spinal inter neuron oxytocin acetylcholine mediated nitric oxide facilitating mechanisms of erection quality to be intact. So that's another reason why infrequent injections tend to be better. it I I've broken this down in the description of um showing a description of intramuscular or subcutaneous depot. If if you look or try to conceptualize what a everyday subqo looks like in your thigh fat versus even an every other day subq injection with the same total weekly dose in your thigh fat. Well, the former is going to be a smaller depot. you're going to have many small little droplets.

[00:13:38]Whereas the ladder is a bigger depot, which means you are plausibly going to release more testosterone to be cleaved and converted into actual blood testosterone hydrayed into testosterone that you can use at a time, more at a time. And that is what people end up needing. Undercover millionaire, my kind of guy, bro. Hey, my wife is uh on HRT.

[00:14:06]That reminds me of the millionaire next door where it's like you wouldn't tell the guy's a millionaire, but he is.

[00:14:10]That's kind of how I am. Not quite a millionaire yet, but you definitely wouldn't tell that where where I am financially because I just I have a quaint two-bedroom house. I don't, you know, really. My car would be the only give. My wife is on HRT, topical estradile, topical testosterone, micronized progesterone. Still, her libido is so low. What medication can help her? I don't think that it's medication exclusively that can help her. What else is she on? Is she taking an antid-depressant? Because that'll that'll kill a male or a female's libido. SSRIs do that. Um, so that would be one thing to look at. What what else is in her protocol? Now, I don't you're not mentioning anything. So, there may or may not be. I don't know. If there isn't, okay, we would move on, but if there is, you need to look at that. Uh, regarding the testosterone, you know, for women to have strong libido using testosterone, they usually need to be somewhere around 160 150 to 200 ngs per deciliter, right on that range where above which they're going to get ver viralization and below, which it just isn't doesn't make them feel like superwoman. You know, there's a a range there. And so maybe she needs to be in that zone regarding the testosterone. Uh, at the same time, yeah, I mean, estradiial for women should absolutely enhance their [ __ ] libido and testosterone should do it, you know, multiffold. So, I mean, I don't know if the the doses are are just bad for her, you know, particular body.

[00:15:34]She's got to find the libido sweet spot.

[00:15:35]Just like men on TRT, women on HRT, whether it's estrogen, testosterone, or both, need to be in the right ranges, hormone ranges, serum hormone ranges for their libidos to work. Because remember, libido is is driven by the the estrogen conversion or the estrogen activation and erba receptors in the brain for women as well as androgen receptor activation in the brain and dopamine.

[00:16:04]So, if the hormone balance is out of whack, those things aren't going to work right, it's the same thing as men. So, I I I don't think you should look at other medications. I think you should look at dialing in her HRT protocol better.

[00:16:16]There there's no additional medication, man. That's the wrong way to look at it because then you're going to have her injecting PT 141 and that's not sustainable. It doesn't consistently work well for people.

[00:16:27]Unexpected benefit. We're having a kid soon, so I will need less libido for a few weeks to a month. So, I've actually taken your content and reverse some things to reduce libido. Yeah. I mean, to reduce libido, all you have to do, you could do it many ways, man. I mean, you could skyrocket your DHT and and kind of therefore antagonize estradiol and your libido is going to be less. Uh, for a lot of people, if you just go on a lower dose of testosterone, your libido is going to be a lot less. I mean, holy [ __ ] when I was at sports TRT doses, I'd be, you know, in my office or gaming and I would be thinking about sex. Like, my libido was so [ __ ] high. I had to control estrogen for the erections to be right, but my libido was insane.

[00:17:06]Um, so, you know, taking taking yourself down to lower doses might might absolutely reduce your libido. Um, injecting super high doses, but your hormone ratios are super out of whack because you convert way more to DHT and you're blocking estrogen. That could reduce libido. Obviously, taking an AI and, you know, not doing it intelligently, therefore crushing the estrogen a little too much will tank your libidos. All kinds of things. Oh, shocked to find how much body fat drives ruminization. First started TRT 33% on 120 uh milligrams a week, two times a week, cypate, you're at 70 plus E2, 20% body fat, an hour or less, ran 200 milligram sip and hit 67. Yeah, I mean if there was there hcg involved in that because that certainly is a variable there, but it it does drive it if especially if you have a lot of it. But I mean, you know, most guys that are are not significantly overweight or don't have, you know, above 25% body fat, it's it's not the hugest driver of it, you know, really the amount of testosterone, you know, is the driver of it. But hey, good for you, man. Do different injection sites produce different uh differences in absorption? I I would suggest that not really.

[00:18:16]Not really. I think all intramuscular sites are similar but there may be differences in uptake the rapidity of uptake based on how vascular that tissue is. For example, the vasis lateralis in the in your quad. It's a a super blood vessel rich muscle. So there you might actually get faster uptake than if you injected in the upper glute or the delt.

[00:18:47]Comparatively though I think it's not I don't from everything I know it doesn't seem like it would make a huge difference. A huge difference. The one thing that I have seen make a difference is people pinning with halfinch insulin syringes in the delt trying to get it into the muscle which by the way it only pierces the muscle a little bit in most case unless you're super super super super lean. and having a big difference between that and a one inch or one and a half inch needle. I've seen those be majorly different. JL Montaine was taking.125 milligrams of Reimidex once a week started having pain painful less enjoyable climax.

[00:19:27]Would that be high or low estrogen symptom or just AI side effect in general? Painful less enjoyable climax.

[00:19:35]The less enjoyable climax would would obviously be would is consistent with AI induced sexual dysfunction. Yeah. Again, the brain does rely on aromatization for libido, but again, it's just like it allows the DHT and the testosterone to actually give you libido.

[00:19:53]Estrogen is the regulator of libido in so far as it it just can't be crushed and it can't be too high. For some people, when estrogen gets very high, their libido sucks and their erection quality sucks. For some people when estrogen goes too high the libido is amazing and their erection quality sucks. So but for sure it's it's probably that regarding painful climaxes that is not common with uh AIS or or anything that that is uh I'm not sure what that is but yeah I mean look there is intrasticular estradiol and you could be you could be built blocking that you know people tend to think that the testicles are immune to AIS. I don't really think so. I think that they they still are going to reduce estrogen there too. Um but painful climaxes are not an AI common symptom. Less enjoyable ones are though if you overshoot. Thoughts on inclapene combined with TRT? Uh I've tried in the past.

[00:20:53]I felt pretty good but blood work should crash FSH. Okay. So what's the point in inclin at that point, right? If that's what you're trying to have it do is is maintain gonetropen quantity, then there's really no point of it. And I think that that is my thoughts on it are it's redundant. There are better ways to do it without blocking estrogen receptors, i.e. HCG. Those are my thoughts on that. On 15% cream, two scrotal, two shoulders like Dad Sipony, how would you think I would start? Uh, if I were you, I'd do a 20 to 50 milligram injection once every seven days. And that would be only if estrogen is relatively controlled where you are and you're wanting to increase libido.

[00:21:37]Yeah, I would just do a a a 20 to 50 milligram sipine injection once a week.

[00:21:42]But I'd have to look at, you know, your your hormone levels and see where they are and also get an idea of what's happening right now. If you haven't included where libido is, so what's the point of doing it? you you do need to include those those things if you want my more thorough answer.

[00:22:00]Um I ran that for a while and now as in today I re introduce HCG just to ensure I don't get fibrosis and lighting cells.

[00:22:07]I guess I was oh you you asked about the inclin. Yeah, I guess I was filling with the inclin or the upstream hormones. Um what upstream hormones? Yeah. All you're doing is blocking estrogen receptors in your pituitary gland. Therefore, you're secretreting luteinizing hormone and FSH at regular levels. But doesn't seem to even be working for you if your levels are bottomed out. Hey brother, do different site applications of cream have different absorption rate? Uh absorption rate.

[00:22:35]Yes, the testicles are the most permeable site for testosterone application in men. That that is true.

[00:22:42]Uh it doesn't mean that you will absorb less if you put it on the shoulders. It just means that the the end metabolite breakdown is going to favor the application sites. So if you put more on your shoulders, you're going to get more testosterone and more estradiol and less DHT, but still some DHT might be adequate for you. If you put it on the testicles, you're going to get disproportionate DHT. you're still going to have high tass but you know some of those people because of this end up with trough total testosterone of 100 or 150 so purely hypocanal peak total testosterone of 8 or 900 and DHT at 230 and that is not a good protocol that those people are not dialed in you know I've seen them in coaching work with cream and we've had to either manipulate the protocol or get them off of cream like DHEA pregnant etc. Wonder what your thoughts are on clophene combined with TRT. All right, you did just ask that and we talked about that.

[00:23:44]I'm not sure why you're asking again.

[00:23:46]Would love to develop a proper hybrid prop plus cream plus HG.

[00:23:51]Had monstrous libido and I felt my best, but skin was oily and backne blew up. Yeah, you know, sometimes acne is the price to pay for HRT. I paid that price for years, literally. There's still some acne on my back, but it's it's not hard to it's just looks like normal. It's not like crazy. But there were points where it was pretty [ __ ] horrific. Uh I think though that one of the biggest drivers of acne on TRT cycles, etc. is fluctuations in hormone levels that are too vast. They're just too they're just like this, man. Um that that would cause that to happen. Some people can inject 200 milligrams cip once a week. they don't have acne because the hormone levels just go and then they go like this and they slowly work down and they reinject. But some people it's like boom boom boom boom. Metabolism of esters.

[00:24:43]It'd be nice if we all metabolize everything the same way but we just don't. At the same time, acne over years of using TRT usually just goes away. It just goes away. And I don't know what to attribute that to. You just burn out the the the sebum production. your body gets used to it and figures out how to not produce so much acne. Like less less sebaceous gland activity from just being taxed from [ __ ] you know, injecting testosterone over time. I've seen Chase Irons talk about this. I mean, this is a guy that's running cycles of testo, like loads of testosterone, grams of testosterone at once. No acne, right?

[00:25:20]Not taking Accutane, not taking any of that [ __ ] But I just got used to it, bro. Yeah. Then no matter what I do now with testosterone, um, and I I have recently changed back to cipinade for anabolic purposes, I don't I don't really get acne anymore. It's just kind of under control and very minimal.

[00:25:39]Uh, I find running higher doses of prop cream feels best, but I don't feel nearly as strong. I lose eyes. Well, absolutely. Yes. They they leave your body quickly quicker. They're less nitrogenic. That's it. you the you get less nitrogen retention with the fast acting stuff. That's precisely my problem on prop especially. I can dose 25 milligrams a day, 100 or 150 IUHG every day and my dick works great and libido is good. But I am hardly anabolic. I'm about about a natty at that point and I look smaller and you know all that stuff. Whereas cream a step up from that sipate a major step up from that. Sipate just sticking around all the time and you know troughing a little depending on what your protocol is. It it's just much more anabolic. Um, if I were you, I would wait the acne out. Like, if if if libido erections are great and you can't dial in on anything else in terms of libido erections, you're going to have to stay here and let that acne just figure itself out.

[00:26:33]Maybe take some anavar for analism in the meantime, run some cycles, get off of it. It's going to crush your HDL probably, but you know, you can get that back if you're careful and you can mitigate it in the meantime uh with uh some compounds that help control lipids.

[00:26:47]But if you can dial in on something which will give you less acne like a little more stable of a long esther and sipate every other day or every third day with kind of high doses but where estrogen's still in your sweet spot range. You would achieve that by dosing hcg low instead of high then you should probably do that. Incredibly I'm on 25 milligrams prop every day. Okay, that is my favorite dose. That's about my favorite protocol right there for me. It's just I'm not really anabolic. 25 milligrams pervy every day. PFS suffer. Would you still advise 20 milligs daily when I drop 80 milligrams bullis test anat? I feel so much better although I'm on a higher amount. Well, let's this is a loaded question here man. There's a lot of stuff to break down here. I'm curious about that 80 milligrams bulis. So on your 25 a prop 150 IU of HCG a day.

[00:27:41]On top of that, you inject 80 milligrams of testinithade and and then you feel better. Feel so much better. Where energy or libido? I would wager both.

[00:27:50]That's generally what that happens. Why?

[00:27:53]That's generally the things that get affected. Um, does this happen sometimes? Absolutely. I mean, you're just moving the ratio up. Like you have estrogen where it is and then you peak androgens. So that's always going to temporarily increase libido. The trick is staying there where the androgen estrogen ratio is favorable for libido.

[00:28:10]And of course, that number in estrogen can't scale up forever. Past 55, 65, erection dysfunction, no matter what.

[00:28:18]So, you've just got to find your in between spot. Um, yeah, you your your protocol is a little too convoluted, bro. Yeah. Uh, Jesse, sipping it at 18 milligrams. Okay. So that is what is it like 135 or something a week. What is that 18* 7? That's just daily. Oh that's that's only Okay, that's 126. All right.

[00:28:52]I got that confused. Uh let me get back to your question here. Let me I lost my chat. As as happens often.

[00:29:01]Okay. Uh 18 milligrams 7 days a week. So you run that every day. puts you around 850, 900, E2 is 35. Okay, I really want to bump the dose up possibly 25 milligrams for the summer. I want to worry about high E2. Where are you in terms of sexual function? If you're great with sexual function, I probably wouldn't increase that dose. If I were you, I would take some anavar. Uh maybe take some deca, but deca can cause sexual dysfunction, too. So, you have to be really careful with it. But either one of those anavar is your safest bet.

[00:29:30]It's going to mess with your lipids, but you know, there are things you can take which you should look into. I'm not a huge expert in that. Um to ensure that uh things are good.

[00:29:41]Uh thanks brother. Hope you and the misses are well. We are we've had a rough we had a rough go me and her. Uh this this this last three weeks has been incredibly rough. Uh it's just been some [ __ ] going on. S certly 10 milligrams test prop daily one click test cream daily 100 I use hCG daily E272 test 1250 to HT 196 this is all at peak not bad erection some bloating should I reduce the test prompt I would take the hcg to 60 IU a At least then you're going to get that estrogen down and maybe it might go to the 50s and the erection quality will be a lot better. If you add 10 milligrams sealis a day, 5 to 10, whatever you can tolerate, then you probably solve that problem and still have good libido and all that stuff. Otherwise though, I think that you probably want to get your total testosterone down to about 900 considering how you're aromatizing. Like on 1250 test, I would be at about 45 estradile. you're at 72. That's a little bit of a problem, right? That's that's over romanization in my opinion. Not super overromatization, but that shouldn't be that high. So, you've got to I don't know if it's body fat reduction or or what, but you've got to figure out how to aromatize less because that's a little high. Uh on 1150, 1,150 nanograms per deciliter total test just above the range free test. I think uh what is it? 2 288 290 I aromatized to 35 that is with no hCG on 170 milligrams of test cipionate a week doing every other day injections with 90 IU of hcg a day total test goes to 1165ish and estradile 35 so this there's something wrong with your you know romanization here you're just romanizing more than I would and and that most normal aromatizers would.

[00:32:00]I thought you were a little off base where re eating and libido until the first time I hit my sweet spot a couple days after a low dose of aromomas. I understand animal libido. I am a believer now. Yeah, I just got a comment on the channel yesterday, I think it was. Um, and it was like, "Hey, brother, I used to think you were full of shit." because I've been pumping out, you know, TRT content for years on YouTube and, you know, not everyone agrees with me and whatever and people are entitled to their opinion and [ __ ] but there was a guy that came on and was like, "I used to think you were completely full of shit." And then I follow the the gospel and went to Daily SubQ because of that and my libido left my body completely whereas on once a week everything was great. Sorry, I doubted you.

[00:32:46]And uh so it's nice to hear that. What you what you probably did here is Yeah, you just went you went right in the window, you know. Now, I don't know if you blew out of it. It sounds like you did. Um, but yeah, it's just you just you got to find that sweet spot, man.

[00:32:59]You find the sweet spot, you stay there.

[00:33:00]Your body will respond pretty much the same over time. I am glad you have figured that out. Anytime you reach the sweet spot, go get bloods so you understand both the numbers you should be at for that dose and the ratios that make sense for you.

[00:33:14]Go get the bloods. Like I like I said, I just switched from cream to cipionate.

[00:33:19]It's summer. I'm not terribly anabolic on cream and I'd like to put on a few pounds of mass and I'd like to have more nitrogen retention and more water and a more fuller look and whatever. So you I had to frontload a bunch of cipionate and uh you know get to my steady state.

[00:33:38]I think I did that in like nine days and then hit my sweet spot. And I'm just hovering around that sweet spot. I'm just right just right right in that spot. Right in that spot. So, you got to find it and know how to keep it there.

[00:33:52]Uh, new boy Fritz, you responded to so many comments that have been so helpful. It's time for a super chat. Really appreciate the work you do. Thank you, bro. I appreciate that, man. That's uh that's really nice of you. That will go into the fund for what's the new thing these days that I'm doing that I like? Uh h well I've been drinking I've been drinking hard cers and I'm trying to drink ones that are dry because the sweet ones are very sweet. So that'll go to like a fourack of some of the cers that I get. Um I've been I've been drinking um Arsenal Event Blend Ginger Cider. It's actually really really [ __ ] good and has a good gingery taste to it. Otherwise, um I think you've just bought a couple cups of evening coffee for me. I've been drinking caffeine now at 4:5 p.m. So, thank you, bro.

[00:34:50]Uh you took the advice of 30 milligrams daily prop 0% years. Not sure what you mean, but I hope you're doing well. Is there benefit to split dosing in the hybrids like um prop and the AM cream at noon or something like that? I would have to look at doses and try to determine that.

[00:35:07]Oh, you're 50 years old. Awesome. And I hope it's working for you, man. Uh, what is it? 30 milligrams prop a day. It's a good dose. It's a good dose.

[00:35:15]Do you think AIS work with cream only since you get daily E2 peaks based on cream timing and fluctuations?

[00:35:23]No, no, no. AIS work with everything.

[00:35:25]You just got to find the right dose and frequency. For some people, AIs, they're going to over respond to the microser doses, and AIS will not will not work for them. That's just true. And that sucks. um because it's an easy way to dial in if if you do respond well to them. Uh no, no. I think AIS are actually a worse idea to do with test cream. Yeah, AIS are are not the greatest idea with test cream because you're already inducing an estrogen blocking like effect by having loads of DHT which blocks estrogen at the gene expression level.

[00:36:05]antagonizes estrogen receptors presumably and uh kind of gives you despite the serum numbers a low estrogen-like state or a controlled estrogen- like state. Thing about cream though is because it's converting so much to DHT and therefore less estradile just proportionally it can't convert to estradile as much as it would on an injection or otherwise because more is going to DHT you end up with less serum anyway. AIS on cream are usually a really bad idea unless you want to crash your estrogen or you're a super over romatizer.

[00:36:41]Uh 400 milligrams takatrrenol is daily enough to uh have hair benefits supporter doesn't have to be dosed higher. I would double that if you really want to get max benefit from it. Keep in mind taco also act as statins just a mild version of a statin.

[00:36:59]Vincent, what's up, brother?

[00:37:04]Hope you're well. If girls take Accutane, are they at risk for developing PFS or is the risk mainly just in men?

[00:37:12]I know that girls who have taken SSRIs develop a very similar syndrome to PSSD because Accutane is a different mechanism by which sexual function can be caused in specifically blocking of DHT.

[00:37:31]Look, women need test and DHT for libido too. So, uh, I don't think it would be as extreme as an SSRI in reducing like [ __ ] sensitivity and [ __ ] like that because it does that, but I think the risk is still there. Yeah, you don't want to be blocking the conversion of of major sex hormones that are so influential whether it's testd or estradile. Again, you know, with with AI, you got to block it just a little bit, just a little bit and and not catastrophically crash it and and not have it below your range and all this kind of stuff. But, you know, regarding DHT, there is there is no case in which that should be blocked. None. If you're going bald, go bald. There's no case in which DH D she DHT should be blocked. I say that having dealt with the guys crying over video calls with me because their lives have been ruined from blocking DHT and they can't date, they can't get an erection, their penis looks like a lifeless noodle that never never can get hard or they have zero libido, negative libido. You don't want to run that [ __ ] risk. Uh anyway, yeah, women, there's probably a risk there. Nothing like listening to a high school dropout with no medical knowledge claim to be the world's leading expert. Totally ignorant of his own ignorance. Practi.

[00:38:51]Hey Jake, I would love for you to expand upon that, bro. And I think you should expand in a couple different ways.

[00:38:58]Number one, you should explain to me how a high school dropout equates to someone who isn't capable after 20 years of learning of consuming medical research and understanding medical research. I'd love to I'd love to see you prove that.

[00:39:15]Um I' I'd also love to see you prove that a person with no formal medical training couldn't be extremely versed in human physiology. Show me how that's possible. Right. It's almost like what you're saying, which is akin to credentialism. You should probably Google what credentialism is so that you could see what you're doing. is that unless you went through a curriculum, an organized curriculum and acquired information that way, your neurons mainly uh cononergic storage of information in your hippocampus, chonergic mediated storage of information in your hippocampus is not uh are not capable of consuming information and retaining that information. So, if you could show me how a lack of a certificate from a university based on a an organized curriculum prevents uh hippocample storage of information in the human brain. Maybe we can have a discussion otherwise um I think there certainly is ignorance here and I think we all know which side it is on. But if you'd like to have a scientific discussion with me, let's do it. I'll never turn you away on that, man. Because this wasn't like a scientific discussion. This was like a dig at me. That's all this was. If you'd have you want to have a scientific discussion, if you're going to be taken seriously in the context of science as what we we discuss in this channel, then we can do that. We could all have it.

[00:40:51]I'll challenge you any [ __ ] day to that, bro. But I know people like you. I I I've I've witnessed them in my life for many, many years. Back when I was a budding entrepreneur, there were, you know, credentialist types like you in the social circle of entrepreneurs that I dealt with. And what was interesting about them, they were also trying to be entrepreneurs and start companies. Most of them were MBAs that had wasted $100,000 on [ __ ] getting an MBA.

[00:41:17]All those guys now have jobs. All their businesses failed. Old Ry over here made it.

[00:41:25]What's that prove? Right? It isn't about a [ __ ] piece of paper, right? It's about how how resourceful you are.

[00:41:31]Particularly with entrepreneurs, it's like we have to be disproportionately resourceful compared to the resources we have. Create disproportionate outcomes compared to the resources we have. You can't teach that in college. Pit me up against any NBA, you know, regarding business revenue, my company will always outperform them. Can I talk a little bit about elyroine? Is it safe to take daily? You also talk a little bit about the role boron plays in regards to free testosterone. Yeah, boron will free up a little free test. Regarding tyrrosine, is it safe to take every day? Yes, but eventually you are probably going to have side effects. Remember, you know, tyrrosine is is the core building block to dopamine, but also to neuradrenaline and adrenaline. So, you're building fightor-flight hormones, neurotransmitters, when you take tyrrosine. So, your doses have to be correct for you. If they're not, you're gonna have a problem. Like when I was in my neutropics days, I would I dosed tyrroscine for like six months straight, uh 500 to a,000 milligrams a day, and it was [ __ ] awesome. It was like aderall, dude, but without side effects.

[00:42:38]And then eventually it started giving me panic attacks. What did I do? I probably just fired up the catacolaminuric signaling in my brain so much that, you know, the inhibitory neuronal action, i.e. GABA um glycine serotonin could not compensate for that and so you know I ended up with some serious anxiety that I had to just stop tyrroscene altogether and let that balance out. Johnny Cook watched some videos of you talking about testing TB500 BPC 157. Did you find it helpful injecting it to help with the production of blood vessels and healing to improve ET? Uh I think so. Here's one thing.

[00:43:16]Whenever I dose TB500 I had harder erections. uh thymusin beta 4 which is what TB500 is in a manufactured version is useful for and it's it's one of the things your body recruits to heal tissues and to induce the spontaneous creation of new blood vessels uh otherwise known as neovascularization uh hey guy that was questioning my medical prowess did you know that um and so I think that's probably the mechanism by which that happens TB5 or BPC150 57.

[00:43:51]It's a repairerative peptide that we make in our digestive tract when we inject it or take it orally.

[00:43:58]We are taking it exogenously and getting more of it, you know, more of it.

[00:44:06]Jake Lawren, that's a felony, fella. You will be reported. Can't provide medical advice for money unless you have a medical license. Can't wait till you see when you get arrested and sued. I'm not providing medical advice. Not sure what you're referring to there, brother. I do coaching on sexual function for men that are trying to optimize sexual function whether they're on TRT or not. Literally a river of [ __ ] So, okay, you want to debate. So, like what's the river of [ __ ] right? Just just type it out, man, and then we can talk about it. If you have nothing scientific to say, if you if you don't have a logical discussion, I know you understand what I'm saying, right? You can't just broad brush insult somebody without like getting to the nuance of why.

[00:44:47]Um, so I mean it it's it's hard for me to justify entertaining a conversation that is based on insults and not on discussion.

[00:44:59]You don't have discussion, just type it out. Also, thanks for everything, my dude. EOD prop is going very well for PFS so far. All thanks to your techniques and guidance. Great. I'm glad. You know, prop is not the easiest Esther to dial in. It's just not. For some people, it's too volatile, man. It does this. If you look at the steroid plotter peaks and troughs on that, it is so [ __ ] substantial, man. Some people have a really hard time dialing in. But like for me, 25 milligrams a day, the the the graph kind of looks like this, not like this. You know, the every other day injection of prop looks more like that. Some people tolerate that well, some people don't. But yeah, if you dose it, if you dose it every day, it's very stable. If you dose it every other day, it can still be pretty stable depending on the dose. I'm glad you're having a good time though. Um PFS sometimes requires faster peaks and androgens compared to um folks that just do fine on cipionate or whatever. Carnivore fisherman Ryan is without a doubt one of the most foremost knowledgeable people on this topic in the world. Enough said. Other dude can get the [ __ ] out of here. Yeah, he says you're weak-minded. He's a weirdo.

[00:46:07]Uh yeah, he's right though. I mean, hey, what is this guy's name? Jake Lawren.

[00:46:12]Here's the real question. Let's everybody just focus on this for just a second. I'm curious about what kind of man goes in another man's chat to talk [ __ ] right? Because you'll never find me doing that. What are you actually like in real life? What do you look like? Do you have any muscle mass? Have you done anything significant with your life? Have you gone to war? I went to war. Have you gone to war? What have you achieved in life? Right? because I I I I I don't know any successful people like just successful men who want to build others around them up that hate on anybody, you know? I just I don't know any of those types. So, I I I'm curious about exactly who you are.

[00:46:48]Um it's it's just a weird one, dude. It's a [ __ ] weird one. But I just I don't know why you're hating. Hating is is uh a toxic place to be. Like I would feel totally shitty about myself if I was a hater.

[00:47:03]But maybe you're immune to that, man. Um total test 1193 nanogs per deciliter.

[00:47:08]Free test 177.

[00:47:10]Okay. Estradol below 30. Doing sip 60 milligrams Sunday, Tuesday, and then 80 milligrams on Thursday. Still waiting for that libido. Uh would cream add-on help? So your estradol is probably a little bit too low. If it's less than 30, it might just be a little too low. I mean, you're kind of an under aromatizer there because right around those numbers, I'm at like 35 estradile 35 45.

[00:47:37]And if you're below 30, um, you're kind of an under aromatage.

[00:47:43]If I were to add a little bit of HG, dude, like 90 IU a day, 100 IU a day.

[00:47:47]And I think at that point, you would have your libido back. Yeah.

[00:47:55]Um, hey there. recently switched from cream to test cipate 2 weeks in. Okay, she went from cream to cipionate. I'm doing one of your suggested protocols 70 every three and a half days with 100.

[00:48:05]Will 300 IU uh every 3 days mess that up? It's 600 IU walts. It would be seven something 100 IU of HG a week. Probably not. But you you you're in somewhat of a what is that? Uh so 140.

[00:48:21]you're in that like little bit of a fragile zone with test in that the androgens aren't that high to be able to tolerate estrogen on the lower doses testosterone your estrogen window becomes really really small and finite so I wouldn't run the risk of somewhat bulis dosing hg at once I would stick with daily injections of hg unless you find that your estrogen on this ends up like 25 and libido isn't there uh new boy fits Jake is right if you're not sitting on an accredited and prestigious campus, university campus.

[00:48:55]Your brain does not absorb the information the same. Only the information, only the university information has true information. Yeah.

[00:49:02]Again, I mean, listen, I'm not against going to college. If you have to be a doctor and you go to medical school, well, you're going to need what is it? Eight years medical school, residence, fellowship, all that. Like 14 years of education. You need to be doing that. you need to, but you're also in that case a general practitioner, which is super general about everything. You know, you're not you're not targeting real specific nuanced problems.

[00:49:29]You're looking at somebody that, you know, uh has lightadedness at the gym and you're going through the motions. you know, get a halter monitor to figure out what your heart rate might be doing or, you know, if there's um it's just a continuous EKG that is measuring electrical frequency from the heart to figure out if if it's that you're measuring sodium electrolyte, serum electrolytes, and uh looking at glucose and things like that.

[00:49:58]They're just extremely general. Um, and you know, we all know that doctors fail us in many ways. They're they're super smart people and they've learned a [ __ ] [ __ ] ton in medical school. But when it comes to specialized stuff, well, they're not the best. That's why there are specialists, accredited medical specialists. I think people confuse, you know, me with like um disliking doctors. There are absolutely crappy doctors and there are absolutely incredible doctors. My endocrinologist is a a brilliant, brilliant human being.

[00:50:33]He's like pushing 70 years old. Total geek, which is why I love him, you know?

[00:50:38]I don't think I know more than him or he knows more than me or whatever. He's got clinical experience over me. 100%.

[00:50:46]And I respect that, man. The dude the dude's [ __ ] brilliant. You can't run anything by him and have him not give you like a researchbased answer that's like verbatim from the literature.

[00:50:57]Guy's brain is a supercomput, man. At the same time though, I mean I I think in a hundred years a lot of what I'm saying will become very prevalent and people will understand. We already understand now that the universities can be quite antiquated in their approach to student learning. The curriculums like the there are marketing specialists who come out here come out from major prestigious universities who are excuse my brashness absolutely [ __ ] dumb when it comes to marketing in the real world. You know me an entrepreneur who has zero 0.0 zero uh university accredited marketing experience. I blow these guys out of the water in 100% of the time, right? And they're learning stuff. Who who's teaching them? Who's putting the curriculums together? You think it's an entrepreneur that's built a million- dollar business? Nope. It's professors, man, among other people. So, it all really depends on what you want to do in life. Um but, uh for me, going to combat, getting out, the economy was in a very [ __ ] place. I realized I couldn't take instruction from people. I was like very bad at that and wanted to do my own thing. Also never wanted to cap on my income. Entrepreneurship was the routes. Um and if I wanted to be a doctor, you know, I would go get a medical degree. You know what I mean? But uh that's just not something I wanted to do. Why are the indiv individuals thinking that PSSD is only neurotransmitter-based and not hormones based? because they're looking at the the primary mechanism of action of SSRI, the inhibition of this of the serotonin transporter and thus the accumulation of synaptic serotonin. So they just think it's like uh post synaptic 5HT1A receptor uh damage right lack of functionality overexpression. There's all manner of theories on it. So you know rather than looking at okay what constitutes proper sexual function in males which is largely sex hormones and neurological cascades which are driven by sex hormones they're looking at what the initial drugs mechanism of action first was and then trying to from there um you know create theories on on on what is happening. Those guys are stuck, you know. They'll be stuck forever if they think it's it's purely neurotransmitter-based cuz it isn't.

[00:53:15]Um, yeah, he's not ruining the stream.

[00:53:18]Haters are are everywhere, bro. I've been dealing with them forever or weird people or whatever. I mean, maybe the guy maybe the guy is like a super smart intellectual and is is is very educated and doesn't understand this other side.

[00:53:31]The difference is I understand that side. There are incredibly intelligent people that have gone through the university system through the orthodoxy and uh you know end up being incredibly smart. I see the antithesis though commonly where those people are book smart but dumb as bricks in the real world. And there's a a vast difference between those two universes like the university universe and the real world you know. Um, how both can be exceptionally intelligent.

[00:54:06]You know, Elon Musk isn't a rocket scientist. You know, go watch the video on on how he learned about rocket science.

[00:54:15]You know what he says? I read a lot of books.

[00:54:19]Again, assuming a a a a piece of paper through a curriculum devised by college folks, university folks is your only route for hippocample storage of information is absurd, right?

[00:54:32]I think anybody with a logical intellectual mind would would agree with that. Can you explain the system of what's going on with PSSD and what the mechanisms of what's causing the problem when people go on anti-depressants? What I think it is is hypopituitaryism.

[00:54:46]That's what I think it is. But there's all kinds of, you know, underlying mechanisms here that, you know, creating excessive serotonin in your synapses could do. Number one, inhibition of dopamine. Serotonin and dopamine are on a seessaw. Too much of one, the other gets a little uh blunted. And I think that with SSRIs is the strong synaptic availability of serotonin, you are blunting the effects of dopamine transmission in the brain. That's been proven in the scientific literature.

[00:55:19]They they counter each other to a significant extent. So the libido side is going to be significantly less with blunted dopamine. At the same time, I do think there's a degree because I see uh lower gonadotropen concentrations in some of the people with BSSD that there's inhibition of gonadotropins from the neurological side. There are many reasons this could happen. One of them is that serotonin is prolactenic. So if if you um via reducing the sensitivity of dopamine D2 receptors on the pituitary increase the secretion of prolactin from these specialized cells code called lactoropes your secretion of gonadotropens will be blocked to some extent. So that might be one mechanism by which SSRIs and their serotonin and and thus prolacttogenic nature cause sexual dysfunction. But there's many others. Again though you have to step back and look at what constitutes proper sexual function in men that the sexual system to work and then you replicate that. That is the way out of all of these conditions. Now there's still going to be in the case of PFS people that hyper overromatize.

[00:56:33]So you control it with hormones in those cases.

[00:56:36]um and hormone blockers in the case of using an astrol. Again, there are some people who I've witnessed have to take pretty high doses of test, 200 milligrams a week, and pretty frequent uh moderate doses of an AI to dial it on TRT because they're overromatizing no matter what. Can you have testosterone in the blood but low AR binding? I suppose but I it just it's the mechanisms by which you would have reduced binding at the androgen receptor are unclear with the exception of long-term DHT starvation you know and um well the stuff they do anti- anti-androgen therapy the stuff they do with prostate cancer they used to do and and I think a lot of people are realizing that that is not what should be done so yeah I think a starvation of DHT is is certainly going to downregulate and receptors in in total uh and and therefore could disturb their function but I think over time with proper amount of androgens that resolves itself or it should it should um complaints and craving for attention two mayor markers major markers to know the brain of the troll name is running on a feminine pathway it sounds a little bit like a girl I don't I don't know I don't know I've gotten some I've gotten some interesting haters over the years dude I've gotten I've had guys write full-blown like Reddit threads about me that were lies and it's uh I can track them back to arguments that we have we had on the web just a scientific discussion about something where I was like asserting one way or the other and saying hey you're wrong about this and then they were you know had to resort to posting something negative about me which was a lie like one person had written like this whole thing about like our neutropics consulting this is like 10 years ago guy was never a client of mine so I've dealt I've dealt with a wide variety of haters And largely I I'll give it a little oxygen, but I tend to subscribe to Tim Ferrris's idea of, you know, when people are being [ __ ] don't give it a whole lot of oxygen. Um, thanks TJ Million. I remember we we we've talked about a lot of other [ __ ] in the past, though. Total tea is really high on a small dose of cream. Uh, I find this strange. Well, is this on the This is on the peak, I assume, right? Yeah. Um, if your if your total tea is really high on a peak, you're just a pretty strong responder to test cream. I'd be curious to see what your trough numbers are because I've seen some pretty high numbers on peak and then hypocadatal numbers on trough with cream. Doing it all in the morning. Yeah. Um, but I've also seen people do like pretty modest amounts of test cream and be like 1500. So, so a 100 millgram dose of testosterone cream and their test shoots up to 1500. That's That's kind of abnormal, you know. Mine would go to 7 800 650 there. They killed CK CK.

[00:59:30]My doc at Defy is super solid, very open to experimentation. Wants to be very specific.

[00:59:37]Uh blood work to be done. And I can tell she's really invested in my personal success, my protocol. Well, that's nice to know. That's nice to hear. Yeah. Uh I've worked with a guy at Defy mainly once to get prescription Anavar and they gave it to me and uh yeah he he was actually really really awesome. Um so yeah I mean Defy Defy is a great company. I want to make that clear but they are they seem overburdened right like getting you know them with their customer service responses seem to be seem to take a while and there seems to be among customer service people a lack of communication about your current situation like one won't know about it even though you're you're requesting you send another email to carrot at the fi medical and it's like they having to get caught up with the other thread and they don't do that so you know I mean a a very good successful company that's been highly revered and promoted on the web is probably going to end up being that Right. That's why I'm closing coaching when we book all these because I won't be able to actually be a good coach and taking more people because I won't have the slots. Would genetic testing uh done help with recovery? I know it can't tell you what's wrong when it comes to PSSD.

[01:00:43]I think that you could look at whether or not there are um there there is the proclivity to overromatize and and then also underconvert to DHT.

[01:00:54]That that would be something to look at.

[01:00:58]But I don't think it would hurt you. If it's super expensive, it might kind of be a little bit of waste of your time.

[01:01:03]But if that's in your budget and you want to get data, getting data on anything regarding your physiology is always useful. I have the the craziest amounts of data on my body, it is absurd. Like recently, high sensit high sensitivity C reactive protein. I haven't tested that ever. Um, what is the result here? My high sensitivity C reactive protein is less than 0.2 milligrams per liter. So optimal is less than less than one uh milligrams per liter minus 0.2.

[01:01:40]Pretty damn good.

[01:01:42]Reflects a non-inflammatory state, which is great. Uh virtually no cardiovascular risk in that case.

[01:01:51]You want to know the data about your body, man? Go test that [ __ ] dude. I've gone as far as testing dimer.

[01:01:57]Just want to see, you know, I had long COVID, man. I didn't get the you know what, but I had I had long COVID and that causes micro clots. So, you know, I wanted to see. I repeatedly test D- dimer. You know, it's a it's a it's a it's a clotting marker. Um, you want to look at that. I have looked at trope. I' I I've tested my own tropponin. You know, I've had to go through the medical establishment to do that. It's a useful thing to know. Any data is good. Even an endocrinologist or urologist would never receive the kind of training in school that would allow the knowledge you have.

[01:02:30]They would still need to seek the information. Yeah. So they know they have a great basic framework for what's going an advanced framework for what's going on. But you know most endocrinologists would say to you actually know the proper way to inject TRT is 400 milligrams every two weeks. Right? So the the the knowledge that like people are doing uh more frequent injections whether it's 200 a week or whether it's 75 every three and a half days and you know low doses of HCG and they're dialed in perfectly and feel [ __ ] amazing.

[01:03:00]They they don't have that knowledge.

[01:03:02]They don't have that knowledge. And why would they? You know they're not in the TRT forms. They are specialized people who have, for lack of a better word, pretty myopic approaches to treating one condition or the other. And it is not their job to troubleshoot really. It's more so their job to give recommendations, have the person get blood, you know, give additional recommendations. Usually people that are not like super advanced TRT people after they fail to dial a person in suggest whereas you know uh the coaches out there among us would try to dial in the hormone numbers and figure out why erections aren't where they need to be.

[01:03:45]I read somewhere that anti-depressants can also enhance the three alpha hydroxyeroid dehydrogenase enzyme. Is that what that is? uh leading to more neurosteroids but also less DHT.

[01:03:57]Just speculating. Yeah, entirely possible right there. Yeah, there there is a neuroststeroidal um interaction with SSRIs. I've read that on a piece of literature some time ago, but I can't recall it from the top of my head. Uh injectable estradi valerate what ever makes sense for raising estrogen in men that trend low? Yeah, sure. Yeah. 172. Yeah. I mean, if HCG is not working for you, then micro doses of estradol valery would Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you get that in UGL's and uh it is something that men do. I mean, like um what's the guy's name? Trennemy on YouTube. He's actually a pretty cool guy, but like runs trend and does all these interesting experiments and [ __ ] was uh basically just running I I believe it was tren and um otherwise non-aromatizable androgens and then using estradile valer to get the E2 like in his sweet spot and he said he had a great sexual function probably not a sustainable protocol long term because you're taking tremble you know eventually you're going to be angry and [ __ ] into all kind of weird [ __ ] sex actually and whatever else comes with that so um that's just that have I switched to twice a day with cream. No, I'm on 170 milligrams a week at the moment of cypinate, a summer anabolic dose, but not a cycle. I just don't really want to go on a cycle again because it largely would just [ __ ] up my sexual function. The hematocrit would go higher than I like and among other things. But um yeah, 170 with pretty low doses of hg. I'm at uh what am I at? 80 IU a day right now. 170 milligrams a week. that split up into every other day subq injections and I feel [ __ ] great, dude. I frontloaded um was 170 milligrams of intramuscular test at once to get there in nine nine or 10 days, but I just ran my bloods. I'm at 1165 total test. I'm still waiting on estrad, but it's probably 35 37. And uh I I feel incredible all the time. My libido is high all the time. on injection day, EQ is not as great as it could be, which means I probably have to uh either lower the HD dose slightly or uh take the 170 to like 150, but we'll see. We'll see if it balances out. You don't have to explain yourself to anyone, King. Your knowledge speaks for itself. Thank you, Dar. I hope you're great, bro. I often see your posts on Facebook and you look like a super in shape [ __ ] cool guy, man. I appreciate that about you, dude. I appreciate that, man.

[01:06:35]I appreciate that, bro. I appreciate people that that want to make themselves better, you know? I really do. Where would you say the optimal DHT levels need to be? 55 to 90 on TRT is typically sufficient enough, right? It's typically sufficient enough. There are people though, and the these are the exceptions. These are the rare few. And I don't want to make people think that I'm saying this is everybody or this is you. There are people that need to be 130, 140, 200. They just need to be loaded with DHT in order to feel their best and to function their best, right?

[01:07:04]to have like insane erection quality and to feel really really masculine. Those people are usually start the DHT for a while, right? So, they need more of it to get better. Kind of like a person that, you know, was actually starving for for many months in their life and they, you know, almost starve to death.

[01:07:24]You know, a a big Burger King meal, one big 3,000 calorie meal won't cure them.

[01:07:30]They're going to need a lot of meals for a long time. When you say 502 hematocrit is messing with me would I say that I'm at higher elevations typically about also is starting to hear t the people that are that live at higher elevations i.e. Colorado, it is said that they generally have higher levels of hematocrit and for them it's not as troublesome as other people that aren't used to that. Their bodies are not used to that.

[01:07:56]What I think is that there is a range on hematocrit above which your blood is likely going to be thicker and you don't really want that.

[01:08:07]You don't want that. I get symptoms at 51 52 and it's a little bit of shortness of breath and not while running. Mostly when doing like if I'm walking up steps or like like say I walk on the treadmill and do the incline for the first 10 minutes of doing that and my my cardio does not feel right with elevated hematocrit. Anything below 50 and I'm stellar. I've just tried to you know increase and um improve my cardio, get it back. I I ran for many years starting from when I joined the army and after and took some breaks in between, but I've recently gotten back. I ran all winter, but it was like 10 minutes on the treadmill every day. Uh I'm now at 20 minutes uh straight jogging on the treadmill at a a pretty moderate pace.

[01:08:53]And after that 20 minutes, I'm like, let's like I I don't Let's go. Is there can we do more? I don't want to do necessarily more because I'd have to eat a lot, but I am not out of breath and my mouth is closed.

[01:09:04]So was a tangent on cardio. I love high DHT. I'm not prone to any side effects.

[01:09:09]Hair loss act. There's any other reasons to control DHT. Not really. No, I wouldn't think so. No, I think we're going to find it's cardioctive in the future. There's like one piece of literature suggesting that that's the case. So I think that we're going to probably find that at some point. Um and and I don't really think there's anything significantly delarious. Again, the prostate controls its own level of DHT regardless of what the serum says.

[01:09:33]So, this isn't like if you load yourself with loads of serum DHT that you'll have proportionally high prostate concentrations of DHT. It just doesn't work that way.

[01:09:44]Uh, if you are not getting the major problems associated with DHT like hair loss and acne, um, then I think you're probably okay. I took a fourmonth break off TRT. Quality of life went down marketkedly. Just came back on cream. Immediately feel great again. Make America high TRT. Yeah, there's really nothing like it, dude. I mean, truly, there is nothing like um especially super physiologic levels of androgens when you've never had them.

[01:10:16]And giving the your body, the male body, a um a a large amount of the thing that makes us men, both testosterone and of course DHD. DHD largely makes us men, right?

[01:10:31]testosterone converts to it is highly metabolically optimizing and is pretty anabolic. It's really really a whole different life.

[01:10:42]Like when I got on TRT, which was after trying to increase my testosterone after being close to hypogonatal naturally, and it worked, then it stopped working and I was like pummeling fast, just dropping it. And I I felt terrible.

[01:11:00]Within a month, I was like a different person. My life [ __ ] changed. I felt so good. I felt so goddamn good. And that that level of productivity and brain energy, resilience, um calmness even in when life might be chaotic, you know, and not good. It's unmatchable, dude. Can't really replicate that with your tropics or anything else. Honestly, TRT is [ __ ] awesome. Real me this.

[01:11:32]Okay, Jim Carrey. Uh, same dose via subq, higher total T, lower free T, higher E2. Via IM, lower total T, higher free T, lower E2. Uh, lower total T on IM versus subq. Yeah, it clears your body faster. Higher free T. Hard to explain that one.

[01:11:56]um potentially on subq your total tea your free tea rather is being bound to albumin or sex binding globbulin at a higher concentration than with uh intramuscular injections probably because it's a slow release from the subcutaneous depot and that lowers SHBG less whereas intramuscular injections it's a pretty rapid ID released from the intramuscular depot which would in which would actually decrease the sex hormone binding globbulins which would then render you um lower free tea. Uh wait, am I confusing this? So subq higher lower free on subq. Yeah, that that that would be why. Yeah, that that would be why I think the SHBG is probably higher on your subcutaneous injection and therefore you've got less free tea available. That's the thing that makes most sense to me. Hey brother, on 100 milligrams a week of TRT plus 200 of HCG a week, 200 IU a week, everything is great. Training labs, I had 30 milligrams Master and we go was slightly high. It killed my libido. Okay. Yeah.

[01:13:08]If everything was great, I would have touched it. Yeah. Masteron is notorious for killing people's libidos if the dose is too much. And for some people that dose is not very high. Man, I've seen 30 milligrams of Masteron kill people's libido. Seen 15 milligrams of Master kill a person's libido.

[01:13:25]But it was a great sexual function within four or five hours and then crushed libido. Often akin to what happens with AI. You just blow right through the sweet spot. Yeah. I mean, you're blocking estrogen receptors with Mastron, dude. That's why that happened.

[01:13:37]And I know that sucks because bodybuilders say they're dosing 200, 400, 500, 700 milligrams master a week. Just some people can't can't tolerate that unless you were on grams of test. Just lots of gear. So kill it. I mean, maybe try 5 10 milligrams of Master and you you probably have a better response. Um, but if estrogen was slightly high, but you still had great sexual function, I wouldn't have touched it. Just leave it alone.

[01:14:07]Uh what what what do I think was the cause of hypogonatala levels before TRT?

[01:14:11]I have many theories about it. The only thing I could really think of is one I went keto for 9 months around the time that this happened. So I think that that's probably a contributor. Uh at the same time I was exposed to uh a lot of chemicals including burn pits, but also you know ammunition that has been fired from myself and among other different [ __ ] sources from spending a year and three months in Iraq and training in the army. I think that there might have been something in my time in the military that, you know, did that that caused uh some degree of hypopituitaryism.

[01:14:43]I think that's the most reasonable answer, man. Otherwise, I don't know. I don't know. There's there's really nothing else in my history that would have caused that to be the case, you know. Um I mean, I I do a lot of neutropics, but those really don't have actions on reducing gonadotropen secretion. So, I honestly don't know, but I would wager it's related to my time in the military and my time in combat. I stopped Master now everything's back to normal. What happened? What did I do wrong? I I just think you do it too high. Even though 30 milligrams is not a lot of Masteron at all. Some people are just extremely sensitive to the blockade of estrogen receptors and so they get sexual dysfunction. Needless to say, I am libido interrections are way better.

[01:15:24]Yeah, usually. Yes, you can achieve the same thing with subq, but it's just got to be more bulis at once, right? But bodies are different. I mean, some people their body's just going to prefer intramuscular. Other people, they get [ __ ] side effects from even lowd dose intramuscular injections. Carrier oil, too much test at once, immunogenic response, bunch of unknowns that we we haven't even studied. Um, would love you to talk to Doc Todd Lee.

[01:15:51]Absolutely hates prop and anything but daily anything but daily cipionate.

[01:15:56]Well, I mean, hates every other like plenty of people dial in on test prop, you know, so I'm sure he's reasonable enough to acknowledge that people use test prop and have a great time. Um, he probably just recognizes where he figured out he could dial in his cohort, his subset of people in and he's just sticking to that, man. That's all. To each their own, though. The one thing I've noticed about coaches is that like we all have our own subset of individuals. I tend to get the people with serious sexual dysfunction who've tried [ __ ] everything and you know subq daily is not working for them and you know or they need less frequent injections and some of them need higher doses some need to control estrogen and uh you know I guess other people may get potentially easier clients or something.

[01:16:40]I don't know. Um, I I've gotten the most challenging ones, which has made me have to look down all these routes and discuss all this stuff and come up with all this um all these distinctions that have that have taken years to for me to make. All right, boys. I'm going to end the stream. I got some stuff I got to do. So, I love you guys. Thanks for the questions. Jake, love you, too, bro.

[01:16:59]Hope you're doing okay out there.

[01:17:01]Honestly, man. I mean, good luck with all that. Seriously. Um, if you have a podcast, we can we can debate anytime you want. I'm totally open for that. But I hope you have a great day, Jake. And I hope the rest of you have a good day. Thank you guys for your questions. It means a lot that you come here to watch these streams on the weekends. I've got a load of content lined up for the next week, but many months to come. There's just so much going on in the world of TRT for me. So, uh it's going to be interesting and I will see you then for some killer content. Otherwise, again, uh there are a handful of slots open left here. There was 25 to begin with. I think there's six or seven open. So, if you guys need to book on coaching at a discounted rate, do it now. Coaching will go away and you won't be able to book coaching for at least a month, probably two or three months after that. Single session consults will be available, though. All right. Uh All right. Otherwise, kick ass rock on. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[01:17:55]Thanks for the questions, brothers.

[01:17:58]Peace. Peace.

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