I Was 60… And Felt Like I Was 90

Ajouté : 2026-05-05

[00:00:00]Ross, how did you find carnivore?

[00:00:04]>> Well, uh, I knew that was coming. I found it late, very late. And, uh, I'm probably the only person, only carnivore that, uh, found it without seeing the, uh, Michaela Peterson video, which I still never seen.

[00:00:27]I purposely haven't. She heard so much about it and I listened to it and I felt so sorry for her. Everything she was going through, I just don't even I can't I couldn't listen to it. So anyway, I didn't hear I didn't find out about carnivore from that. Uh it was kind of weird how I found out about it because if I go back and it goes back a long time. Uh, I'm even thinking my first memory was fourth or fifth grade and I was over at my friend's house and we were just playing like we did every day and his mom was talking to the neighbor and as I walked by she his mom said to the neighbor, "Boy, Ross is really getting fat."

[00:01:14]And she didn't mean anything. She wasn't me being mean or anything. and she was just commenting and I heard it and I didn't take it as being mean. I wasn't offended or anything. It's just it was kind of a milestone in the fact that it was the first time that I thought of being fat or or thought I was fat. And so, uh, from then on it just went to getting wor bigger and bigger. I was never, you know, I see a lot of people carnivores who went through really a lot as far as uh weight loss and and everything and I was never that bad. But uh I just always wanted to be normal.

[00:01:59]That that's what I had in my mind. I didn't want um I I wasn't like I want to be ripped and I want to have a body build. Nothing like that. I just wanted to be normal is what I kept thinking to myself.

[00:02:15]And uh so I think back at that time when we were kids, I'm I'm kind of surprised that you know we're still alive because back in the day I grew up in the city and we had a candy store on every block and candy was so cheap.

[00:02:36]you know, what now would be $2.50 was 5 cents and 10 cents then. And uh so there's pretty much no parental control.

[00:02:49]Not not putting down my parents, but back then, you know, we went out when the sun came up and we didn't come home till it got dark. So there were no parents to say, "You have to stop eating candy."

[00:03:01]And so was uh that was the goal to go out, play, have fun, and procure as much candy as you can, which is what we did.

[00:03:11]So I constantly had an overweight problem and never really got normal. And that went on through grade school and through high school. And it wasn't a I didn't perceive it as a huge problem. I w I wasn't really made fun of too much by other kids, you know.

[00:03:33]I grew up with six brothers, so you know, I was made fun a lot about everything.

[00:03:41]And I always had a girlfriends and but I still wanted to be normal. And so I went to college. I got to college, uh, I just said, "Well, I'm just going to lose weight." And I went on a crash diet. I'm sure it was very unhealthy.

[00:04:00]Although I did exercise a lot. I played a lot of raetball back then. And uh I lost 60 lbs.

[00:04:08]Felt wonder. Felt great. And uh it did exactly what I wanted. It was easier to meet girls. And so I lost the 60 lbs.

[00:04:18]went went from I think I weighed 210 went down to 150, you know, uh 31 waist.

[00:04:26]I stayed like that all through college and after college up until pretty much till I got married. And how I stayed like that, I just said to myself, "Okay, you have a 31 waist jeans. Don't ever buy any jeans bigger than that." And that's what I did for 10, 12 years.

[00:04:50]And as soon if I started to, but I was always like a fat person trying to get out. And uh whenever my pants would get tight, I would just cut down and maybe not go out that night, maybe not go out that day and cut down until they were more comfortable. And then I found out then I uh Atkins I think it was that uh came out and I can't remember whether it was the 70s or the 80s but anyway I bought that book and I read it and I just thought oh this is this sounds really easy. I don't have to count anything.

[00:05:31]And so I read that and you know for two weeks I'd go on Atkins and my Atkins was just uh not low carb. You know if if carbs aren't good for you why would you want low you'd want no carbs. And uh so I would do no carbs for like a couple weeks and lose 20 pounds 15 pounds. And that wor I did that a couple times, two or three times throughout the next 10 years and that always worked. Um, then I got married and uh my wife is and was a great cook. So, you know, my story I think is so typical, so what's the word? so average because I think like I'm like super a I think a lot of people have gone through this like I haven't had horrible medical conditions or or like severely obese problems a career uh had had a family and all I did was get heavier and heavier and probably put on 10 pounds a year eventually I did start to have medical issues. Uh the first one was I I'm going to call IBS. Uh I don't know if that's what it was cuz doctors any doctor I'd went to he they'd get mad if I say, you know, I think I have whatever IBS is. Yeah. There's no such thing as IBS or that's just what people call it when they don't know what it is, you know. And so whatever it is, uh, I don't like it and it it's very uncomfortable.

[00:07:27]And so I went I went to a urgent care cuz it was so bad that I was getting it like once a year and then twice a year.

[00:07:38]And it always was the same. I could tell exactly when it was coming on. I couldn't even touch my stomach because it hurt just to just to touch it, not even to put any pressure. And uh so I went to with the uh IBS issue and he took my blood pressure and said, "Your blood pressure is so high. I'm going to send you to the hospital right now." And I should have been more concerned, but it's like I didn't come here for that. I came here for my stomach issues. And so I I wouldn't go to the hospital, but he did. I I got with a regular doctor and he worked up uh a couple of uh blood pressure medicines and eventually we got to one that worked. But even when I remember when he told me about the blood pressure, I said, "Well, is there anything I could do instead of being on uh medicine? can't, you know, I I didn't say this, but I always heard, you know, salt causes high blood pressure. So, I just said, you know, can I uh just like cut down on salt or anything? And he said, no, there's nothing you could do.

[00:08:51]And I just thought, well, that seems odd to you. I just put that in the back of my mind. That doesn't sound right. Like, if salt caused it and I cut down on salt, that's not going to do anything.

[00:09:02]And I So, I just always remembered that.

[00:09:04]got the blood pressure medicine that kept blood pressure under control and uh yeah, so that those were my pretty much my uh two big medical issues. IBS and the IBS was getting worse and worse.

[00:09:23]Like I said, had it got it for a week, one year and then it then two and then it was becoming debilitating actually.

[00:09:31]And I was working at the time and uh just spending so much time in the bathroom and I couldn't figure out anything as far as diet, anything I was that I ate that day that triggered it.

[00:09:46]And um I just lived with it. I always tried diets, you know, all different kinds during that time. You know, I tried Weight Watchers. I I bought Lean Cuisines and only ate that for a uh you lose weight. You can always lose some weight, but you know, it still all comes down to maintenance and and whether it's healthy or not. I just didn't feel healthy and it was getting worse. So, I'm just gaining weight, gaining weight. And I uh remembered Atkins, and I thought, why don't I just Well, the reason I didn't want to go on Atkins is because uh I remembered you you can't or shouldn't drink alcohol on Atkins. And it wasn't it's not like I was had to drink that much, but I'm either an all or nothing. like I didn't want to get into it and then you know a month down the road have a drink and that would ruin it for me. You know that's how I looked at it. Uh so I just I just never really would uh never got into Atkins again unfortunately for that reason. Even though I could have certainly done it, who knows how it would have turned out.

[00:11:02]Maybe down the road I would have had a drink here and there, but uh but that would have been it. Um so it got to the point my wife and I decided that we were going to sell our house, sell everything, take the RV and travel all over the country, which we did for 2 and 1/2 years. A lot of fun, completely enjoyed it. But we uh during our travels, we were in Florida uh with our camper and we both decided, well, let's just get a place here so we have uh we have a place. So, we did and it's where we are now where we stay for the uh winter. And I thought, well, I'm going to go on low car. And uh well actually before we got here and we were still in Florida camping around I remember what what turn what completely turned me on was kind of a weird thing.

[00:12:00]I was watching TV and I think it was the Dr. Phil show and he had on a a woman who had, you know, tons of problems and he was trying to solve her problems, but she was really really overweight. And that wasn't even the problem they were talking about. But that was the problem I kept thinking of is like, wow, you must be so uncomfortable.

[00:12:24]And that hit me. It's like, I don't want to be like I was up to 200. And well, I went to the dock for a doctor appointment probably about 4 months before that and I was 230 lb. So 4 months later, I probably easily added on a number another five. So I was probably 235 240 lbs by then. And I just thought, okay, that's it. I'm just I'm going to go on a back to the low carb diet. I'm going to quit all sugar. I'm going to quit alcohol. on. I'm just going to uh do that, which is what I did. And uh that worked out fine. I I was losing weight. Uh it wasn't carnivore. I was still having some vegetables and but mostly meat and some vegetables, but no real bad. Like I said, no sugar, no this, no none of the things you should eat. And I was losing and losing and also at that time is when I went to the uh drugstore, grocery store and uh I forget I was going to get something diet related or or and I I see all this keto stuff, you know, keto this, keto that.

[00:13:47]That's how out of it I am. I didn't even know what that was, you know. I knew what ketones were. and uh and I knew what it was like to be in ketosis, but like I didn't realize that this keto diet had really rocked the country. So, uh I thought that was kind of interesting. So, I didn't get I I didn't get into anything like that because I don't want to count anything.

[00:14:13]So, you all I have to do is not count calories, not count carbohydrates. I could a lot of things I can not do. And uh so I kept I kept losing and then we we bought our place in Florida and it has a pool and well it's an o it's a 55 and over community so it's all older people and I'd say most people are like 70s in their 70s and 80s probably a few 60s but anyway I would I would go to the pool every day and I just enjoyed Uh, I just enjoyed floating around in the pool. In fact, my brother asked me once, "Well, when you go to the pool, what do you do?" And I said, "I just float around." I think he's like, "You don't exercise. You don't do laps." And I said, "No, I just go because that that's the only time of day that I'm not in pain when I'm floating in the water."

[00:15:20]So, I forgot to bring that up. my uh my joint pains I had my joint and being on the no carb or low carb really helped with weight and felt better because I had lost weight but didn't it didn't do anything for blood pressure or for uh my IBS or of any of the existing problems.

[00:15:46]So uh I went to the pool and I In fact, before that, I even went to the doctor a couple of times. Like, doctor, what's wrong with me? I'm in my 60s and I feel like I'm in my 90s. And it was always the same. You're getting old, you know? So, I didn't like that. And uh so, at the pool, I really noticed, you know, I just looked around. I listened to people. Everybody seemed so out of shape.

[00:16:19]very wonderful people. I still go to the pool all the time and see them all the time, but everybody was so out of shape and overweight and you know, I would listen to the car and all the conversations were all about doctors and illnesses and doctor's appointments and really that was my I guess you'd call it my aha moment when I changed from really, you know, wanting to lose weight became so secondary to just wanting to be healthy and and have something to look forward to because what I was seeing there depressed me and that's that's not anything I um would want to look forward to and so that was a big that I'm glad that I experienced that and I was also listening at that time started listening to uh YouTube influencers And that's the first time I ever heard of a carnivore diet that there were people who only ate meat and nothing else. And when I first heard it, I thought it was like I think I might have heard it from like Dr. Jaffy or something. And I just I of course like most people that's crazy. And I'm surprised I re reacted that negatively to it because I'm usually open to kind of stupid things. And uh I just thought that's absolutely that doesn't make any sense. He didn't think anything of it, you know, still stayed still was doing pretty good. Low carb, no carb. Uh and then I saw Dr. Barry and I started watching him and it's like, you know, every time he'd say something, I'd say to him, you know, that makes sense. I don't know if it's right and but everything he's saying makes sense to me. Yeah. I just love the way he explains things. You know, someone how much how much salt should I have? Well, put some salt on your food. Is it too salty? Then don't put as much salt on.

[00:18:27]You know, how much water should I drink?

[00:18:29]Get a glass of water. You still thirsty?

[00:18:31]Get another glass of water. He was just so common sense. And I really like in fact now uh if someone asks about you know carnivore uh like what does your doctor think?

[00:18:45]Well I consider Dr. Barry my doctor even though I have a regular doctor. I just say oh he's all for it. You know in fact he's the one who turned me on to it. So, uh, so that's when I went down that rabbit hole of watching him and all the other ones and then and you and I I have to say I enjoy yours because they're so interesting. Everybody's life is so interesting and it really puts you in your place when you see what what other people have gone through. You know, your life is never as bad as the worst. So, I try to always remember that.

[00:19:24]And um I finally got down back to 150 what I was in college and didn't get a 31 waist though. But I think I got down to 33 which was fine, you know, cuz I was in my 20s then. I'm 72 now.

[00:19:48]and uh I've just found it.

[00:19:54]>> So So when did you actually get started with carnival?

[00:20:00]>> Well, I probably started carnivore two years ago. So it's been probably I've been I lost most of the weight and got low carb. I'm going to call it I'm going to say most people would call it keto, I guess. But uh did that probably a year and then two years of uh carnivore and I haven't in that you know sometime the problem I have with carnivore that I found is when I fall when I veer off and my I'm I'm I'm still learning why I'm doing things and and what's causing it.

[00:20:40]But I found when I'm down here in Florida, I have no problem. Uh probably because I don't have as many as much input. You know, all the family is up in Minnesota. All the old friends are up in Minnesota. And in fact, all the triggers are up in Minnesota as far as eating and drinking. And so down in Florida, it's just fine. My biggest problem is now when I go back, I always fall off. And uh I know now why all I have it's drinking. I could go months and months and months and not drink and not even think. The only time I'll think about it is when I think, "Wow, I really enjoy not drinking." But if I have one drink, I'm not talking about even getting a buzz, just one drink, I lose all self-control for eating. And this sweet tooth that I've never had just takes over and kicks in and I there's just no end to what I could eat.

[00:21:43]And everything comes back right away. My blood pressure comes back. My blood pressure now it's great every day. One 115 over 75 120 over 80 just like it should be. And uh but I could go off carnivore for a few days and it comes back. I could go off for a few days and my especially the aches and pains and the joint pains. I'm back to being 90 again.

[00:22:20]And now I think about it and it's it's kind of bad on my part because I'd be thinking, well, I could just go, you know, it's okay. you just go back on carnivore and everything will be fine. Which seems to be true, but I don't want to I don't I don't like that.

[00:22:39]I don't want that yo-yo. I just want to be steady. And I I'm getting much better now. I've been uh back full-time carnivore uh for a few months and I never weigh myself. In fact, I don't even care anymore about the weight because I feel fine. I can probably lose a few more around uh my waist, but uh I feel fine and I just know, you know, just stay stay carnivore and your body will stop when it wants to stop, you know, and it'll add more when it thinks it should add more. I've really learned that. I've learned so much from everything from being on carnivore and everything that teaches you, just being on it. And then of course from all the uh the influencers and the uh the YouTube influencers and all the people you've interviewed. So you learn I've learned so much in the last three years.

[00:23:40]>> It's wonderful.

[00:23:42]>> Yeah. Um so how's the IBS? Is does that >> completely impacted completely gone?

[00:23:52]>> Completely gone. I haven't had IBS for two years. And I was getting it almost every month, every two months at least.

[00:24:01]I haven't had it at all. You know what was the other thing? Every year my whole life, I would get two colds a year. One in the summer, one in the fall. I haven't had one cold. I haven't been sick at all with anything, but I haven't had one cold in two years. And my blood pressure is fine. And I don't have any more aches and pains.

[00:24:26]No.

[00:24:28]So I I'm I'm at a really great state as far as I'm I'm past the part of carnivore where I wonder if all these people know what they're talking about, you know? Like is is this really going to do anything? I'm way past that stage.

[00:24:44]I know that they know what they're talking about. I know that what they say is is true.

[00:24:51]Now I'm at, you know, who I don't know about long term. I don't know about long term about anything, you know. So, you know, we'll see what happens there. But, uh, yeah, that's just how it is now.

[00:25:08]>> Yeah. Um, and so have you have you had any interactions with your doctor? As far as your doctors like, hey, how did you resolve your blood pressure like that or any of those kind of things >> that has always bewildered me how they are not the least fit or not just interested but curious.

[00:25:35]You know, if I was a doctor and I had a patient who suddenly lost 60 70 pounds or had blood pressure that was skyhigh the where they wanted to put me in the hospital and now it's completely normal every day.

[00:25:51]How can you not be curious as to how you did it? And they they're just not even curious that they'll say, "Well, just keep doing what you're doing, you know?"

[00:26:01]And I don't even tell them I'm carnivore. I mean, that'll probably kick you out of the office, but uh I'll just tell them, "Oh, I uh you know, I cut out carbs, cut out sugar, cut out cut out alcohol, you know, which means carnivore pretty much." But uh I just say that now and they don't then no one bothers you.

[00:26:24]>> Yeah, it it's it always astounds me how there's not more curiosity, you know.

[00:26:31]Um, but >> yeah, >> maybe it's just because of standard of care. They know they know that it's kind of going to be out of the out of the bounds of whatever the standard of care says, so they just leave it.

[00:26:46]Yes. And and I'm in Florida. Florida is filled with senior citizens. Old that's most of the most all almost all the patients are just old people. And I think it's just like, you know, get them in, get them out, get them in, get them out. And uh and I don't blame I don't blame the doctors at all really because they don't have the time. Uh they're in situation where they can't tell you the truth. Yeah, that's what I am.

[00:27:22]I'm more mad at at the institution for what because I'm mad that the doctor when I asked the doctor is there anything I could do other than taking drugs uh for high blood pressure that he said no you know to this day that angers me like say you don't know you know if that's the answer but not no and and so and I'm I'm mad at the uh food industry and the pharmacy industry and it it's just such a crime and that's why I like is it Carrie man on uh he'll go he'll go off and rant sometimes about that and I I I enjoy that because they should be more than ranted at you know they should be some of them put in jail I think and you I've seen you rant a little sometimes about that and I'm surprised the doctors mostly don't and I give them credit for that for not bad mouthing their colleagues you know that would that doesn't seem like it'd be appropriate so I respect them for that but I just it's really changed kind of my attitude on life like really everything's a lie I mean that's hard to get over >> yeah it's like yeah it's people often talk about you know you've taken in the red pill or something. But it's like one of those when you finally kind of realize that something is not as you always thought it was and then you start pulling on that thread and then you realize basically everything is not as you thought it was. It's kind of uh >> right.

[00:29:08]>> It's a it's a big uh a big shock to the system >> and they've done a wonderful job at convincing everyone. I mean they they've won actually and you could tell by looking at everybody that okay that if that's what you wanted you won.

[00:29:28]So uh in fact I'm kind of black buildilled on it where I think I don't think it's ever going to change. I don't think it can because pharmace pharmaceutical companies and the food industry they just have they're too strong have too much money. They even they will even tolerate people like Dr. Bur and you and me or anyone who wants they'll tolerate us as uh controlled opposition, you know, because they know they're just too powerful. And I hate to be so negative about that part of it because I'm very positive about the living the life part of it. You know, at one point I would see people in their 90s and just say, "Boy, I hope I never live that long. Uh, I don't want to live like that when I'm 90." Now, my biggest problem is everybody's going to be gone except for me. So, I'd rather worry about that. Uh, I have no problem with being in my 90s, 120. That's That's what I'm aiming for.

[00:30:38]And it's so nice to wake up in the morning. I remember I woke up on my birthday. And uh my wife said, "Happy birthday." I said, "Yeah, you know, it's so nice to wake up on your birthday and just look forward to the whole year and not like, oh, I'm a year older." because that's how I don't know how it'd be for other people, but how when I got to the point I got to, I wouldn't say I was depressed, but when I got to the point I got to, it was what is there to look forward to? I mean, the fact seemed to be you're going to get old, you're going to get fatter, you're going to get more unhealthy, and then you're going to die.

[00:31:19]And who could look forward to that? So, I just think it's much better to look forward to being 120. And even if that's not the way it's going to go, it's got to be better to look go through life with that attitude than the other one.

[00:31:36]>> Definitely. Yeah. Um, so what is your typical eating pattern like now, Ross?

[00:31:46]>> It's pretty simple and I I didn't plan it. one meal a day. And uh I would have never thought that I would be eating one meal a day because before it was one meal a day all day. And uh so it's one meal a day. I I've never been into breakfast, so I don't have breakfast. I usually eat between 3 and 5 every day because that is that just seems when I am hungry and I've tried I've tried to have bread, you know, bacon and eggs in the morning or even a lunch, but if I have anything then I'm not hungry when it's time to be hungry, you know, and I don't want to eat late at night right before I go to bed. So, I've had lunch and it's like now I now I not hungry to eat. And so, I like the one meal a day. It's usually steak, hamburger, lamb chops.

[00:32:48]Uh, that's about it. My tastes have completely changed. I used to love chicken thighs, grilled chicken thighs.

[00:32:58]In fact, I I had a chicken thigh today that I had left over, but uh I hardly ever eat them anymore. Uh I never eat fish.

[00:33:08]Used to like fish. I just have no taste for it anymore. Uh I like to be full, you know? I like the fullness I get out of steak. It's kind of funny. It's like if we're ever invited over to someone's house, in fact, we were invited over a while ago for steak. And I'm like, I don't want to go. Why? They're not going to have enough for me, you know? I don't want a little piece of steak. I want a pound, a pound and a half. So, uh, so that's gotten kind of funny. So, it's always the one meal a day. Sometimes if I can't finish my steak, I'll save it for and I'll have it for breakfast the next day, which I I decided I love cold steak with uh salt on it out of the refrigerator. But I usually finish it, but sometimes I don't. And uh so that's it for eating. Uh I still have steak with uh salt and I still use pepper. I tried I tried doing without pepper for a while and just realized no, I still feel great. So why am I doing without pepper?

[00:34:17]I love pepper. So I I went back to pepper. And uh what else? Oh, I still drink coffee uh with half and half. So I have two cups of coffee. That's all. Two cups in the morning with half and half. And I get kind of when I hear real hardcore carnivores talking about all the stuff they got rid of and coffee. It's like, you know, and I think of all how I live and how I ate compared to what I do now. And really, two cups of coffee are going to ruin it?

[00:34:55]I, you know, I just don't think so. So, uh, two cups of coffee. Sometimes I'll snack on, uh, pork rinds. Not very often.

[00:35:08]And, uh, what else? I I like those little or beef jerky, of course. I'm really shocked when I listen to how much some of these carnivores eat. They're like, "Oh, I had two big ribe eyes and then I had five. I can't eat anything like that." So, I don't know if there's something different about me. But, >> yeah, I I think it's everyone's just got to find their, you know, where they're comfortable, you know. Um >> Yeah. But right, >> so has your wife been tempted to give this a try?

[00:35:44]>> No, she's first of all, she's she's really healthy. She's always been healthy. And uh she every sometimes she'll have weight that she wants to lose. So she's got on low carb. So she likes the low carb thing and she gets it and she'll do that when uh when she wants to. She will never be, I don't think, a carnivore because uh really she's very social and eating is such a social thing and that's really a part of of her life and her friends life whereas with me it really isn't.

[00:36:24]And uh so I wouldn't expect her to ever go carnivore. Carnivore, you know, you listen to people. I think it's hard.

[00:36:33]It's not hard for me to be a socially.

[00:36:37]It's hard because people are always asking you about it. I don't like attention first of all. So, you know, when someone asking why are you eating that? Like, why are you asking me why I'm eating that? That's what I'm thinking. And yeah, it's just hard to uh Yeah. And I hear people say, "Well, you know, you could go out to eat. I just go to the restaurant and I'll order a hamburger and uh just eat the patty. And it's like, well, you know, I'm not going to pay 20 bucks for a hamburger that comes with fries, lettuce, tomato, and all of that, and just eat the uh um patty. I mean, I'm too cheap for that. Now, if they would say, "Oh, we'll give it to you at half price." But that would never happen to me. I'm sure some people they do that too. Or you know, you're I've heard people say they're on the road and they'll stop at even McDonald's and just get some. I'm not going to buy a bunch of hamburgers and throw everything away and just and pay for that and just eat that. So, I don't really We don't go out much. When we do, we have a couple we like to go out to.

[00:37:46]We go to a steak house. Uh my wife orders the two sides that I would have gotten with the steak and I just order the biggest steak they have and uh so that works out good. But otherwise, you know, it it'd be a lot harder. You know, the kids are grown so it's not like we're trying to feed a family and trying to so it's it's really easy for me that way. You know, carnivore couldn't be any easier for me. I mean, all I do is I heard someone uh say how they just like to throw their steak in a in a in the pan and cuz sousing it or anything like that is just too much work. And I just laughed because I love gadgets. So any gadget I will use. So I have a SUV. So, my uh mo is the grocery store that I like has a great butcher and they have a big sale on some cut of meat every week. So, I I look at that right away. Then I go there, I buy a bunch of the steaks and I come home and I vacuum seal it and get to use a gadget. And then I throw them all in the freezer and I get up in the morning. I throw it in the SUV. Get to use a gadget. And then when I want to take it out of the sousi, I take it take the steak out to the grill and I get my blowtorrch. Get to use a gadget. And who doesn't want to play with a blowtorrch?

[00:39:15]And I torch it. And so that seemed that person that would have been a lot of work to them. For me, it's just all fun.

[00:39:25]>> Yeah. And I mean when you're enjoying that as well, that's also a good way to kind of uh stick with it, right? Cuz that that's part of the reason most diets are difficult to stick with is cuz there's so much preparation, thinking, measuring, and all that kind of thing, right? But if you're doing stuff like, you know, you're playing with the gadgets and you're happy to do that and you got the blowtorrch going or whatever, I mean, that's pretty that's pretty awesome.

[00:39:56]And you know, no one no one who anyone who has not uh gone through carnivore, they they just don't know what that you actually do lose your appetite for all the junk, you know, and you lose your cravings for all the junk.

[00:40:15]And in fact, one of the most insightful things I've heard recently, he was on your show, uh, someone you were interviewing, I think he was a, uh, personal trainer, and he was, and I'm not going to quote him because I don't know the exact quote, but he said, you know, what he hears from his, uh, clients are, you know, it's so hard, it's so hard, you know, to get a to keep at the exercise program. And he said, and I don't know if this if this is a common saying, but it's the first time I heard it. He said, "Everything is hard.

[00:40:52]It's hard to exercise every day, and it's hard to keep on an exercise program, and it's hard to eat healthy, and it's hard to not abuse alcohol, and it's hard to not abuse drugs.

[00:41:07]It's all hard." He said, "But being fat is hard, and uh being sick is hard, and not being able to walk to where you want to go is hard, and being in doctor's offices all the time is hard. So, pick your heart." And that that really hit me. That was like profound, I thought.

[00:41:30]>> Yeah.

[00:41:30]>> So, I picked my heart.

[00:41:31]>> Yeah. And you know, when you look at it like that, like even getting fat is hard. It's just that >> because we're addicted to the food, those repetitive actions of eating those bad ultrarocessed foods, we don't kind of consciously register it as we're working, right? But it's the same as anything else, whether it's weightlifting or whatever. you've got to do those repetitive things to achieve the goal. It's just that we are kind of subconsciously cutting out all that work we're doing which is shoving stuff in our face and also spending so much money.

[00:42:13]>> Oh yeah. I mean when that's another thing when I hear uh when the people are asked the question well do you think carnivore is more expensive? I speaking for myself unbelievably cheaper. I mean, first of all, it's better for me cuz I used to like, well, I'm not going to get that steak. That's too expensive. It's the only thing I eat now, so I don't care how much it is. You know, that's the one thing I'm going to eat. And there's no waste. Everything gets eaten.

[00:42:45]And um and there's no vegetables to throw away, >> right? Um, and I think, you know, I don't want this to happen, but even if the price of meat was to rise quite a bit, you know, I still think you could say, well, it's not really expensive because being able to wake up in the morning without and get out of bed without any pain is kind of priceless, right?

[00:43:14]>> No, exactly. Yeah. You know, the old cliche, you know, your health is everything. Well, it really is. So, Ross, let's say someone came to you and said, "Okay, um, I want to try doing I I want to try eating the way you're eating because I want to see if I can lose some weight and maybe take care of some health issues I've got. How do I start?

[00:43:39]Would you recommend they just rip the band-aid off and jump in or kind of transition in slowly?"

[00:43:44]>> Well, I hate to say that. I hate to say this because it sounds so cliche, but it is true. I mean, your why. Find out your why. That is so important because that's what you're going to think about every day if you want to keep going. Why are you doing it? And I'll add because I get the impression kind of from some hardcore carnivores out there that they kind of look down on when your why is to lose weight, you know, and not to get healthy. But and I understand that because almost all the time losing weight is going to turn into one into the last thing you're thinking of. It will be hell. So uh so there's nothing wrong if your why is because I want to lose weight. There's nothing wrong with that, you know. So I wouldn't want people to get that idea that there that's kind of shallow, isn't it? Or vain. No, that's you want to be healthy.

[00:44:46]But if if someone was to jump, I jumped right in. But I see both sides.

[00:44:53]Obviously, you know, the the smarter one would be in most things in life would be to ease in, but not in this. Uh to ease in would work for someone who has the patience and doesn't mind spending a little more time. Whereas if they rushed in and got didn't got sick or didn't feel good, then that that could ruin it for them.

[00:45:20]Whereas someone who wants who wants to get into it and do things for them to ease in, oh, this is just too slow. This isn't doing anything. So, it just really depends on uh on which one how you know whether you're a moderator or not or >> Yeah, it's kind of like uh jumping into really cold water.

[00:45:41]Um there's there's some people like myself, I've got no patience, so I've just got to like um just jump in and and get it over and done with. Where some people they'd rather kind of move into the water then run back a little bit and move in. Yeah, >> exactly. Yeah. So, uh, and I haven't I've had three people that I talked to it about together because they were interested in that I was doing it and they came over and I I tried to explain to them and, you know, had a little success. They were a little successful at first. In fact, uh, one guy went, the one friend went, uh, he told me the next time he went in, uh, to his doctor, I think he he may have been diabetic. The doctor said, "Wow, you've you've gotten better." And and changed his uh, insulin dosage. I I think that's what he told me. So, you know, they and his wife said she lost she didn't have much weight to lose at all, but she lost what she wanted to. And uh and then the other guy, he started in and he was feeling better, but they didn't but those two didn't stick with it. And so, >> right, >> that's the biggest thing.

[00:47:01]>> Um, so Ross, if people want to reach out to you, do you have any social media or any way of getting in contact?

[00:47:10]>> Not really. I mean, I have a uh uh email.

[00:47:16]>> Yeah. No, no worries. I'll uh I'll link to your email in the show notes. Um >> Okay, >> Ross, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your story. I really appreciate your time.

[00:47:29]>> Well, thank you. I appreciate it more than anything with, you know, before carnivore, I would have never been able to do this. You know, I wouldn't want to talk to a a camera and tell my tell my story. So, I I thank Carnivore even for that. So, thanks for having me.