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[00:00:23]But as long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

[00:00:40]All right. Hello. Yep, we're finally live. All right. Hello, everybody.

[00:00:44]Welcome back. We are back. It's us, the Petristic Pillars. We decided to take over tonight um and bore you guys out of your mind. You know, pretty.

[00:00:54]>> No, we're gonna have fun. We're gonna have fun. We're gonna have a lot of fun and we're going to answer any and all of your questions. You all have us for several hours. If you enjoyed the debate, let us know. Audience, did you like it? What did you all think about it? We're going to cover the debate right now. Uh, and we're going to go over some things that were said in Turin Fan's opening statement. uh even though I believe I got to the gist of it, certain things that we one thing that I didn't have time to go over, although it wouldn't have been relevant to the debate was the claim on Augustine accusing Christ of being a sinner. That would be a totally different debate. Uh Turin conceded that Augustine did not apply the psalmist text of the children and the mother to Mary. So that was the thesis of the debate. We're going to talk about that as well though. But Ari, hey, thanks for having me here. Glad to be here again. Yeah, I'm really glad that we were able to do this. Literally, the debate is so fresh. Literally felt like it happened yesterday, you know.

[00:01:50]>> Yeah.

[00:01:52]>> Could you get us started with a prayer, though? I don't want to get put in the headlock by the >> We we we will start off with prayer.

[00:01:58]>> Wonderful.

[00:01:58]>> I actually um let's do English and Spanish because you know me. I I love Spanish community. Um we'll go ahead.

[00:02:07]We'll do an our father in Spanish and English. And I'll let you start off first with the English and then I'll do the Spanish afterwards.

[00:02:13]>> Let's rock and roll. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

[00:02:16]>> Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

[00:02:23]Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.

[00:02:52]Amen.

[00:02:53]And the Hail Mary.

[00:02:55]>> Hail Mary, full of grace.

[00:02:57]>> The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

[00:03:26]Sorry, I thought you I thought you were forgetting and I was like, "Oh my gosh."

[00:03:28]Like I literally just said what to do.

[00:03:30]>> No, no, no. I got you. I got you. I got you. I'm happy to be with you all.

[00:03:34]Audience, send your questions and we'll tackle them. We'll eventually also pin the link in a moment, but we want to go over the debate a little bit. Um, and we're going to go over every every now and then we're going to stop and we're going to tackle your questions as well.

[00:03:46]Uh, but we want to hear from you all.

[00:03:47]Did you all enjoy the debate? What did you all think of the debate? Uh, let me upload it here. I I want to go through some of the portions, not all, but some of the portions of Turin Fan's opening, which I believe were still dealt with, especially during cross-examination.

[00:04:03]But it'll be edifying to you all uh to know some of these arguments. And I want to start off by giving an enormous shout out to the tremendous brother James. God bless you, brother. And I love it when he opens it. Laeteros.

[00:04:16]I love it, man. Happy Pentecost, man.

[00:04:19]There is no greater devotion in the church than one to the most holy name of Jesus when we say it devoutly, we give God glory and receive graces for us and the souls in purgatory. You're right about that a thousand%. And we're going to be focusing a ton in Christologology.

[00:04:35]Indeed, our next three debates are all focused on christologology. I'll be debating on modern day debate pretty soon. But then after that, I'm going to be debating again on capturing Christianity with Cameron. And then after that, Ari will be hosting a debate. In fact, my out of my next three debates, two of the three will be against Dr. Shabir Ali. One of those will be hosted by Ari. Be a ton of fun. We're working on those details. But uh Dr. Shabir Lee will be debate. We'll be debating multiple times. So you all are going to get an enormous dose of christologology, an enormous dose of talking about the most holy name. And uh yeah, James, thank you for that super chat. Thank you for your support. And I hope you all are ready for an enormous dose of Christology coming up. It's going to be fun, isn't it? Going to be fun.

[00:05:20]>> It will. It will be a lot of fun. And I'm very very excited to watch those debates and um and to be able to moderate some of these debates as well.

[00:05:28]So >> yeah. And just for the audience, >> just for the audience to know, Ari is a very fair moderator. She's even told me, "I'm going to be moderator, dude. But I'm going to be fair. I'm going to keep your your button checked, too." I know.

[00:05:40]I know. I know you are. I know it.

[00:05:44]>> Yeah. And And like for people who don't realize like like even when when they debated Carlos and um Salvador and all that stuff like and William could tell you behind the scenes, I almost whipped them because he he he acted out of line a little bit. And so I mean and I mean it's only fair that I keep both of them in line. So just like I kept Salvador and I try to keep Salvador and >> Carlos in check, I also have to make sure that I'm keeping the other side in check as well because even though me personally even though I think William is going to annihilate every single person. I I cannot seem biased in this situation, you know. So, so I have to be able to to do it. And I mean, I'm slowly learning what what a moderator should be like and and whatnot. So, I'm really excited for that. I know you have a lot of stuff coming on. I'm having a lot of stuff coming on, too. And if you guys don't know, like on my channel, I'll be having on um I just wrapped up um yesterday for those who tuned in. I had Rose Sweet on. Very, very amazing. She's so sweet. She's she's actually very very sweet. But man did, man did she call me out. And she called a lot of people out, you know, certain things. It was really, really good. We talked about parenting, relationships, family relationships, friendships, and romantic relationships.

[00:07:02]And then um and so yeah, and I mean everything was um everything was in the Catholic Church's teachings, which I think is very beautiful the way that she laid it out. She didn't sugarcoat anything, which I loved. Um, and those who watch the stream can could say the same thing because she was very firm um on it. And then I also wrapped up a a conversation I had with the Coptic priest, Coptic Orthodox priest. Amy talked about the Coptic Orthodox faith.

[00:07:29]And a lot of you guys have watched me, you guys know that I like to I like to dialogue with different people from different backgrounds, especially apostolic faiths as well. I mean, they are they are our brothers and sisters.

[00:07:40]So, yep.

[00:07:41]>> Um, it's nice to have to talk about their own faith and and get to do all that stuff. And I have a lot more coming on. I'm doing a show on the 21 Coptic martyrs very soon and I'm very very excited about that one. I have a show about our lady as a tune. So, if there's any skeptics out there, you know, you know who you are.

[00:07:59]>> Hey, I'm already con I'm convinced already. I'm convinced.

[00:08:03]>> I know. Once Cameron whooped you. Um, you know, it took Cameron to whoop you into shape, didn't it? Shout out to Cameron, man. Let's let's dive in. You ready?

[00:08:14]>> Let's do it. Um, also, did we do we not have anything from St. Francis Baby toe today?

[00:08:19]>> We do. In fact, forgive me. St. Francis Baby Toe. Let me read his wonderful music. And I think we got something from the brother James, too. So, let's read let's read those. St. Francis Baby, brother, how are you?

[00:08:30]>> Uh, we're praying been praying for you and Elena. Hope you're Yeah. How is Elena doing? Any better? Do you know?

[00:08:37]Oh, he said they're both doing better.

[00:08:39]Praise the Lord.

[00:08:40]>> Sick.

[00:08:42]She said that she was still a little bit sick, but she's I think she's healing.

[00:08:46]>> All right, let's do this. Father, son, we pray. Go ahead. Rose Mystica, you offered me your white rose. You desired that your children commit to much diligent prayer. By your white rose offered, you invite us deeper into the mystical union with your son. You know that if we commit a lot of time to prayer, it is good for our souls and for the world. Immaculate flower, help me to pray often and deeply. Rose of God, excite my soul when I get to pray and help me pray until I truly adore your son. Rose and Mystica, may I always hold dear the white rose you offered. Amen.

[00:09:22]Wonderful, wonderful, beautiful. Let's begin with Come Holy Spirit. Fill the hearts of thy faithful and enkindle in them the fire of thy love. Send forth thy spirit and they shall be created.

[00:09:33]Thou shalt renew the face of the earth.

[00:09:35]Let us pray. Oh God, who did instruct in the hearts of the faithful by the light of the Holy Spirit, grant us in the same spirit to be truly wise and ever to rejoice in his consolation through Christ our Lord, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen. And I saw that super chat yesterday, James calling me little Mike hater, man. Go for it, Ari.

[00:09:55]>> And also, I do want to point out mods, remember, don't just be blocking people randomly. you know, make sure you time them out. But if they're being completely and utter utter little disrespectful and completely blasphemous, then yes, you can ban them.

[00:10:08]But try not to go too crazy on on banning people, guys. Remember that cuz we we we don't just want to ban everybody just because somebody said something like, you know, like you suck or something like, you know what I'm saying? Like just try not to go too crazy. Um >> yeah, >> I just want to put that out there.

[00:10:26]>> Let's rock and roll, man. Let's rock and roll. I'm excited. Okay, here we go.

[00:10:31]>> Welcome to >> such as that she >> the other side married people to to convey >> in English.

[00:10:41]>> By the way, him complimenting slides definitely cracked me up.

[00:10:46]>> I heard that. Yeah, I heard that.

[00:10:50]I was like, "Oh my gosh."

[00:10:52]>> To marry Mary by the angel of the Lord explicitly and marital union is holy which is explicitly taught and union is commanded. that's also explicitly taught and therefore that would be fitting for Mary and Joseph as >> so that point I brought up I brought it up in my uh during cross-examination and during closing right um under normal circumstances uh in marriage there is the consummation and uh children come about in normal circumstances in the holy family's situation Christ was very clearly not born from sexual union so immediately right the way you have something unique there. The other thing that we point out that is very unique is the very fact that Mary is a vowed virgin. It's very obvious from the language you uh being utilized there. The other point is not every marriage was merely viewed as only a valid marriage only if it was consummated. You've got a big issue with Numbers 30 and the vowed virgin there.

[00:11:52]And as I challenged him during the cross- examination, Numbers 30 shows there are exceptions to married Jewish people that can take vows of virginity as long as the husband agrees to them.

[00:12:04]So to claim, by the way, we don't think marriage is sinful in any kind of way.

[00:12:08]But to claim that you've always got to have sexual units, he was wrong on that particular point. And I don't know why he brought that up if I I've told I've correct him I've corrected him on that point many times over.

[00:12:18]And also I do want to point out didn't go to me like >> by his logic by his logic if it would have been like yeah if you're married you you have to like consummate and you have to have kids and stuff. What about infertility?

[00:12:33]What about those who can't have any kids >> right? Also, does he not know that there are things there are such things as celibate marriages where where where if both if both people do not want to have any kids, they can choose to be celibate.

[00:12:48]>> Mhm.

[00:12:49]>> And so I mean it just for me that just logically didn't make any that logically doesn't make doesn't make any sense which I can get the point of like yeah like obviously the purpose of marriage should be able to be fruitful I guess but that's not always the case for everybody. like every I feel like everybody's case is very different >> and >> I think to try to apply that to to St. Joseph and her blessed mother was very um messed up. So I don't know maybe that's that's just my opinion but again what am I >> MC if you'd like to come up and debate that particular point uh I am putting the link you you are more than welcome to come back here uh the link has been posted right there you you're more than welcome to come back here and debate that particular point if you think you have a case love to see you back here uh would love to see you defending that particular point um yeah without a doubt there you go I got you brother I I I opened it that way and Liz says Nanomike Have you done a show on the seven gifts from 12 fruits? Yeah, that that name's never going away. You haters.

[00:13:50]>> I love that name. Liz. Liz, what a hater. Thanks for the support.

[00:13:54]>> I haven't, Liz. But if you want, if you all think that that would be valuable.

[00:13:59]Let me take a photo. I have many ideas for shows that I'm working on. Uh, tomorrow night I'm going to begin.

[00:14:04]Tomorrow evening, let me tell you all.

[00:14:05]You all are in for a treat. Tomorrow evening, we're going to be talking about St. Raphael. You all are gonna love that. Tomorrow evening. That would be a lot of fun.

[00:14:15]And Jimmy the man, >> we love Jimmy. Love the debate, brother.

[00:14:21]Any honest props has it to at least be open-minded at the minimum that mother Mary is a perpetual virgin. You clearly saw that his own namesake.

[00:14:30]His hero, the real Francis Turin, taught the perpetual virginity. You know, you're in a bit of a bind if your own namesake. thought that your arguments were the shallowest.

[00:14:44]>> That doesn't sound so good to me, does it? Ori.

[00:14:48]>> No, it does not.

[00:14:50]>> Also, if anybody wants any good book recommendations on Marology, get Tim Staples and book. You know, it's the best of the best of the best.

[00:15:00]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:01]>> I'm joking. I'm joking, guys. I would I would get William and Father Cop's book on >> Yeah. I mean, Father Cop is a man.

[00:15:10]Father Copus is a man.

[00:15:12]>> He is. He really is. He really is the goat. He's amazing. Uh yeah, he's tremendous.

[00:15:18]>> There's no doubt.

[00:15:20]>> And there's implication that Joseph and Mary eventually came together in the scriptures as well. So let's take these bit by bit. Jesus had brothers and sisters. Where's this talk? Well, Matthew 13 >> gives us the names. Uh, I think the volume is is is a good sound. Audience, uh, is it low or is it a good >> I don't I don't know.

[00:15:46]>> I think you have a little bit of a lag.

[00:15:49]>> I think there's like a lag.

[00:15:52]>> Yeah. On your end, you have a little bit of a lag.

[00:15:54]>> All right, let me let me let me come in and out. Sorry.

[00:15:58]>> The man, the myth, the legend himself.

[00:16:00]How you doing, brother? How you doing, man? Coming up if you want to say hi, hater. How you doing, man? I Yeah, Ari has lag. Ari's got a little bit of a lag there.

[00:16:11]A little bit of a lag, man. By the way, audience, don't worry. We get to every and all super chats. Turtton fan is a disciple of Dr. White. Did Turtton fan do better than him? I don't think anyone if they debate somebody that is not. By the way, St. Francis Baby toe, thank you for the support, my friend. God bless you, brother. I don't think anyone anyone will do well against a well-informed Catholic on the topic of the perpetual virginity of mother Mary. Simply don't.

[00:16:40]If you know the material, it will not go well for the Protestant. If you and I argue that in terms of marology, period in terms of all of the Marian dogmas, if a Catholic is well informed, simply do not think the Protestant will do well.

[00:16:54]William has to do a debate review because Turin Van debunked him completely and he now has to respond where Turin Van isn't here, man. Oh, no, no, no, man. In fact, uh you're going to find that I'm going to reiterate a lot of what I said during the debate, and the only new material is Psalm 69, but that didn't even have anything to do with the debate. The debate wasn't on the atonement, which by the way, we'll be bringing Erica Barara, my brother, on soon to be talking about the atonement soon. Uh, but the debate wasn't even on the issue of the atonement.

[00:17:32]Why? Hold on.

[00:17:33]>> James, Josie's, Simon, and Judah.

[00:17:35]>> Okay, we'll pause right there. Wait for Ari to return. We'll take a few super chats in the meantime. Audience, thank you for the support. We wouldn't be able to do what we're doing without you all.

[00:17:45]You all are tremendous. We love you dearly. The devotion to the most holy name is clearly the greatest. It's clearly the greatest. It's tremendous. I agree. By uttering it devoutly, whole nations are converted. Miracles occur from simply uttering the name devoutly.

[00:18:02]The name is glory to God. Amen to that, brother. Amen to that. How about there?

[00:18:09]Are you better?

[00:18:10]>> I think so. Am I getting >> There you go. That's better. That's better. Yeah.

[00:18:13]>> All right. Sorry about that. I thought I was like, what was happening? I was like, I couldn't hear anything.

[00:18:17]>> No, no worries. No worries.

[00:18:20]>> Also, shout out to Dr. Boyce. If y'all have not checked out his channel, please do so. He's incredible. His work is amazing. His episode on the rosary was incredible. I've also been looking at the seven ecumenical councils series that he did. And oh my gosh, it's so good. I don't think I've ever nerded out as much as as much as I did when I was listening to those old episodes.

[00:18:41]>> Yeah, >> they're really good.

[00:18:44]What a hater you are. Uh Stephen, what a hater, man.

[00:18:48]>> That's true. True. I mean, >> bunch of haters, man.

[00:18:53]>> Even got destroyed by Carlos and Salvador. I mean, come on.

[00:18:55]>> Oh, yeah. Very clearly. They're still running. Uh, you know, Legend says they're still running to this day, man.

[00:19:02]>> Did he ever hit you back up, by the way?

[00:19:04]>> He did. He did. And I reached back out to him, so he'll be giving me a date pretty soon.

[00:19:09]>> Okay. Better let me moderate that one. I would love to.

[00:19:12]>> Oh, there's no doubt.

[00:19:15]>> Brother, come back here and say hey.

[00:19:16]Brother, come back here and say, "Hey."

[00:19:19]And mentions the sisters without naming them. Mark six gives us the same names.

[00:19:24]A slightly different spelling, but it's the same names. James, Jos's, Judah, and Simon. Jos's, by the way, is just the name Joseph.

[00:19:32]So, it's a very natural name for a child of Joseph that he'd also be called Joseph like his father. uh James and Simon and Judas are all >> love you dearly brother can't wait to do something again soon now two arguments he made immediately which by the way I challenged him on and we got no answer but for people that may be may not be new to these I challenged him on this during the cross examination uh got nothing but crickets he said they came together that's the Greek smelline or suncomi in the Greek uh suncomi come together doesn't mean sex in any way at all. There's just no reference to it.

[00:20:09]Come together means they came together.

[00:20:12]Mary joined his house. Mary went to live with him. Doesn't mean anything to do with sex. And very clearly, we have shown that many times over in in uh articles we put out in videos we've done. Suncomi does not mean anything in regards to sex. I challenged him on that. He had nothing. The argument of Mark 6 where they're identified as James, Joseph, Jude, and Simon is dead in the water. As I challenged him again, look, all this stuff I got answered during cross-examination. In Mark 6, we read about the brothers and we number one, we have James, Joseph, Jud, and Simon. They're listed. And then we read about the Adelf, the sisters. But the big issue here is James, Joseph's, Jude, and Simon are then identified as kinsmen. And we've looked in the Greek extensively. When you list brothers and then they're identified as relative as kinsmen, you're eliminating the the possibility of them coming from the same mother, meaning they cannot be children of Mary. Our Lord tells us they are kinsmen. And the way the early fathers interpreted that and understood that is, yeah, James, Joseph, Jude, Simon, how are they brothers? Well, they're not from Mary. We can eliminate that immediately. And that particular reading on Mark 6 is uh as early as early as St. Josephus in the 100s. Then we get to St. Jerome, he gives us that same reading.

[00:21:45]Nobody reads Mark 6 the way that Turretans did. And I challenged him on that. He had nobody. He had nothing at all. There's just nothing there. Period.

[00:21:56]>> Common names. Judah being a particularly appropriate name for someone who's in the tribe of Judah, which Jesus and his brothers were.

[00:22:04]But it's not just those two places in Matthew and Mark.

[00:22:08]Why would Jesus need to be called only begotten? Juan, do you realize how ridiculous that is?

[00:22:15]Now, Juan, I understand that maybe you don't know the Bible very well.

[00:22:20]Actually, I I am 100% certain you don't know the Bible at all. Because why would he be called only begotten if in the book of Exodus, the Greek word is proaticos for firstborn? Why on earth why on earth would he be called only begotten if Exodus is talking about the firstborn of the womb? And then Luke is hearkening to Exodus. The words used in Exodus is not only begotten, Juan. Now, Juan, for one that says that they hold a solar scriptura, you figured you'd know a little bit about the scriptor, but clearly you don't know a thing about the scriptura. And let me show you. Let's educate you because this is where Protestantism miserably, miserably falls apart. We're going to educate you right now, my friend. Because that argument on the only begotten is one of the most embarrassing ones. shows us you simply just don't know. You don't know the Bible. Because if you knew the Bible, you would know why Luke is is utilizing proaticos.

[00:23:27]Because Exodus 13:2 tells you right here, "Consecrate to me every firstborn male, the firstborn from every womb among the Israelites belongs to me." And then we get to the verses you're referring to.

[00:23:46]And our Lord is referred to as Proatacas. Why is he referred to as Proatacas in Luke 2? Well, we're told why. Because Luke 2 is hearkening back to this right here.

[00:23:59]So to say that he should be called only begotten shows me you don't know your Bible. For one that holds the solar scriptura shows me you don't know the scriptura. on shows me you don't know that scriptura.

[00:24:17]>> So you call me William.

[00:24:22]>> What's that? What's that?

[00:24:24]>> Call you a meanie.

[00:24:25]>> I'm just being honest. Ari, I'm just being honest. Ari, I mean, I'm not trying to be mean.

[00:24:32]>> William the meanie. Yeah. You know, >> I mean, >> that's why people are crying.

[00:24:37]>> I guess that's why sometimes people don't want to debate me, right? But I'm just being I'm just being honest. Ari, you'd be honest, too, wouldn't you?

[00:24:45]>> Yeah, I guess so.

[00:24:47]>> Yeah. I mean, you don't have patience for horrific arguments either sometimes.

[00:24:54]>> That's true.

[00:24:55]>> Yeah.

[00:24:56]>> Anyways, continue.

[00:24:57]>> Let's do it. Let's do it.

[00:25:01]>> In other in other places, there's reference to his brethren and people telling Jesus, "Thy mother and thy brethren." And that same account or a parallel similar account is in Mark 3 and in Luke 8. John 2 mentions his brethren. And now I don't know why he goes on and on and we're going to fast forward after this. I don't know why he goes on and on. There is not a living Catholic or Orthodox that are going to deny that the Greek that the word brother is used. I mean nobody's going to deny brother is used. Yeah, I know.

[00:25:33]We know that brother is used. I mean we're very well aware that brother is used. The issue is brother has a broad range of how it is used in the Bible and for him to say well you know what brother is used so uh what is it implying it very clearly if brother is used in a broad way in the Bible we need to see how it's being used here as well and if those brothers are clearly shown to not be children of Mary they cannot be well then how are we to interpret brother here. Instead, he keeps bringing it up over and over. Well, they're called brothers. Well, they're called brothers. Yeah, we know that they're called brothers. That isn't the the thrust of the argument that at all. We know that. And any evangelical knows that as well, but we can look in the Old Testament and even in the New Testament.

[00:26:26]Abraham and Lot are called brothers in Genesis 13, but Lot is Abraham's nephew.

[00:26:31]And by the way, for people that are wondering, I had it here. I gave multiple examples. I mean I gave many examples during the debate. I mean I think this should really really really be clear. I mean I gave multiple examples. The brothers of Jesus are never called Mary's children ever. I mean ever. Why not once? We've got four gospels and 23 other books of the New Testament. Why are they never identified as Mary's children even once? And we've got four gospels and we got the book of Acts where where very clearly these figures play a prominent role. Why are they never identified as Mary's children? Why is it only Jesus referred to as a son of Mary? I mean you you would think that if they were children of Mary there would be clarity here but they're not referred to as children of Mary ever. And as I mentioned right now, I don't know why on earth Turin fan is wasting so much time in his opening statement arguing that well brother, you know, they're called brothers over and over, right? But Adelfoy don't automatically mean uterine siblings. And I pointed out the Greek word adelfoy adelfos adelf has broad meaning. The Bible over and over uses kinship language broadly. Abraham and Lot are called brothers, but they're uncle and nephew. And that usage is broad. The Semitic world has broad familial terminology. I brought that up. I clearly brought that up. He had no good answer. He had no good answer.

[00:28:06]And and and to be very honest with you, I didn't hear a good response on John 19 either. I didn't I don't think I heard a good argument all evening long. I wanted to be as kind as I could, but I don't think Protestants have anything. I don't think they have anything here. Ari, what do you think?

[00:28:25]>> I think that um I don't know. I I was expecting better arguments. I'm honest with you. I was expecting better arguments because I keep hearing that Turret fan is really good and >> and he's he's pretty sharp and >> and whatnot. But I was very I was fairly disappointed, I think. And on his side, I was very disappointed. I mean, the the arguments were so easy to like dispute or refute, I guess, that it it was just kind of dis it felt like a very easy win if I'm honest with you. Um, I do wish and I and I know I'll probably see more of that a little bit later, but I do wish that he would have pushed back a little more. I think that he I think there were points where maybe even though he probably would have still gotten um refuted, but I do think he should have fought back a little bit more. You get what I'm saying? Cuz I feel like he didn't he didn't really give much of a fight.

[00:29:22]>> I think that he knows better a lot of the times. Having debated me against me for nearly 20 years, he knows when he tries to fight back, he knows that I can get him even worse.

[00:29:35]So sometimes rather than trying to fight back, he will simply avoid getting embarrassed. Let me give you one example, Ari. One example where this argument was made by him right here.

[00:29:48]>> Say they're about Jesus. And he explains why how >> I would challenge you. I would challenge you to quote that Augustine says that Christ is a fool. I would challenge you to quote that. I challenge you to do that.

[00:30:04]Wow. All right. Um, >> I didn't realize it was that bad.

[00:30:09]>> When I saw that, >> he looked at loss for words when you when Oh my god.

[00:30:15]>> And I made it a point to look right at my camera. I wanted him to know, Ari, that I was looking right at him. I want you to notice I made it a point to stay looking straight at him so he could know I'm challenging you. Show me where Augustine calls Christ a fool.

[00:30:30]Uh and and I think that the reaction >> All right. Um so let's come back to Oh, I think we have like we have a fury.

[00:30:42]>> I don't think you wanted to deal with that at all.

[00:30:45]>> And and listen, you know what though?

[00:30:48]If when I do have him on, which I'm which I'm hoping I will >> um if you if you said coming on my channel, I I am going to ask him. I'm like, "Why didn't you fight back a little more?" And >> don't be mean.

[00:31:03]>> What?

[00:31:04]>> Don't be mean either.

[00:31:05]>> I'm not gonna be mean.

[00:31:06]>> I I mean I mean listen, I'm not going to be mean about it. But I will ask him. I was like, "Why didn't you push him back a little bit?" Like you maybe could have pushed him back on this argument or that argument. Maybe you could have said this. I'm Which either way, I mean, whatever argument he would have used, I think the truth is still got >> Yeah. But, you know, it would it would it would have been nice to to see him like >> listen, I'm not gonna lie. I kind of wanted to see like him fight, you know, like let me give you an example. Let me give you an example as to why there there's no possibility Ari and it has nothing to do with me. Nothing to do with me or my skill. It has to do with the truth is what it has to do with. Let me give you examples. What happens if he pushes back on Victorinus? He's wrong. If you read the text, he's wrong. What happens if he pushes back in Tertullian? I had all of the Tertullian texts open. He was wrong on that one, too. What happens if he pushes back on? He was wrong there, too.

[00:32:03]And notice the time goes really fast during cross-examination. If he pushes back, well, we're going to go over the material, and I'm going to show him wrong. Show that he's wrong. So, what he's trying to do, Ari, is a debate tactic. I'm going to show you. It is I've busted him on all these arguments.

[00:32:18]So, he's trying to move somewhere to where maybe he can catch me with one thing.

[00:32:24]But, I mean, it isn't a matter of anything being special with me. It's that if we have the truth, we have the truth and we should be comfortable with it. I want look, I want to give a shout out to um and I'm not going to talk about any of our private conversations, but I want to give a shout out to my near and dear brother, Dr. Carlo, but Dr. Carlo told me before the debate happened, he's like, "Bro, we got the truth." And ultimately, you know that's true, Ari. Ultimately, at the end of the day, that is true. We have the truth, and no uh fancy debating tactic is going to change that.

[00:32:58]>> Yeah. Hey, I just wanted to see something go down.

[00:33:02]>> You wanted blood wars, Ari.

[00:33:05]>> Yes, I did. Cuz listen, listen, I will say I guess in a way that's smart of him to not push back. But even the dumb Protestants that you have debated, they push back on like the most crazy things.

[00:33:16]And it's still it's funny to see. I mean, it's fun to see and it's funny to see, you know, because I know they're wrong and and I mean, I know and and and it cracks me up even more is when you crack that smile because I know that you I know that that means that they're about to get completely annihilated when it's your turn to speak and that's usually what happens. But, you know, >> that was fun, right, when it was my cross- examination. That was fun, right?

[00:33:40]>> Yeah. But, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I was like, I I think turret and f I think turt could have done a lot better in this.

[00:33:46]>> Well, next time you tag in and play devil's advocate. We should have tagged in Daniel.

[00:33:52]Tagged in Daniel, man.

[00:33:55]>> I mean, I am gonna I am planning on having I I do want to bring him on to my channel for for more stuff, you know, because I because I will say this, >> I do appreciate the fact that he was very very respectful.

[00:34:06]>> Sure. I I don't think I've ever seen a Protestant be this respectful during a debate because most Protestants are just nasty in general.

[00:34:15]>> But I got to say I I'll give him props for for him being an actual good for him actually being like a respectful debate opponent.

[00:34:23]>> So I'll give him props to that.

[00:34:25]>> No doubt.

[00:34:26]>> Even though I think he's wrong from his theology. Yeah. No, we can respect them and we can be, you know, kind and what have you, all the while saying that we believe believe that they're ultimately wrong. And that's a tremendous point.

[00:34:37]St. Francis Baby, God bless you, brother. Thank you for the support.

[00:34:41]Great point there. According to Turitan, the early church was wrong because the early church was wrong. How can we know truth? That is a proty dilemma. You're right. And he admitted it. Uh, St. Francis baby toe. He admitted it during the cross examination. When I said, "Are you comfortable with the universal church being wrong?" And then he had to go and say, "Well, it depends what you mean by the universal church because Helvidius and the antidquaminites."

[00:35:09]Dude, Helvidius was an Aryan, man. I mean, you want to go that route?

[00:35:14]Helvidius was an Aryan. I mean, you don't want to go the route of defending Helvidius.

[00:35:21]I can tell you that right now. Uh and and it is not the only he made the claim that it was only one work that said novidius was a heretic. No, it isn't. you've and let me tell you right now in the audience it's avita Ambrose which tells us that centius was a heretical bishop an Aryan excommunicated and then ganedius tells us Helvidius was a disciple of absentius uh and then Anglican scholar Philip Shap who is not a Catholic I hate to break it to you he's not a Catholic Anglican scholar Philip Shap says Helvidius whether a layman or priest at Rome, we don't know, was a pupil according to Ganadius of the Aryan bishop Aentius of Milan.

[00:36:16]So you've got history, history is on our side. Helvius was a heretic. If that is your ally, if you want to side with a condemned heretic and say, "Hey, so the universal church doesn't back you up. We have um Aryanism on on on our side."

[00:36:32]Well, have at it. Have at it, man.

[00:36:37]I just think it's way >> Yeah, agreed.

[00:36:43]>> So, let's let's continue diving in. And look at Lita Molina. I love it.

[00:36:48]>> We love the goated Lita Molina, man.

[00:36:50]What's up? What's up?

[00:36:53]>> You're lagging a little bit again.

[00:36:55]>> No, you have a lag again.

[00:36:56]>> Oh, really?

[00:36:58]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You was working really good. Now it's lag again.

[00:37:01]Right. A audience. Is it me or is she lagging? Yeah, audience, they'll confirm you have a little bit of a lag again.

[00:37:07]That's odd. It was working really well and now there's a little bit of a audience. Is it me or is there a little bit of a lag on Ari's end? I think there's a little bit of a lag.

[00:37:20]All right. SHOUT OUT TO LENA MOLINA. GOD BLESS YOU, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

[00:37:23]OOPS. I guess we're all bloodreated according to Protestants, man. That is ultimately their problem. That's ultimately the issue that they're in.

[00:37:33]Lena Molina, it is outlandish and outrageous.

[00:37:38]It's crazy.

[00:37:40]Crazy, brother.

[00:37:43]Shout out to the tremendous brother.

[00:37:45]Brother, thank you for your support.

[00:37:47]Faithful. We would not be here able to do the work that we're doing without your support. Thank you so much, brother. God bless all of you all. You all are tremendous. And you can see the work we're doing debating, evangelizing, writing. We thank all of you all for your tremendous support. I heard that the devotion to the holy face is actually a combination and we're going to read this one. When Ari comes back, we'll get back to the video. Let's go over this one in the meantime. I heard the devotion to the holy face is actually a combination of the devotions to the holy name and to the precious blood with an added focus in the holy face. What are your thoughts? Promote the greatest devotion which is the holy face. There's definitely a connection.

[00:38:25]You're a thousand% correct. And let me go over this Ari and we'll get back to the video. You're better now. That that better now I don't hear her. I don't hear her. So there definitely is a connection. Uh many promoters of the devotion have seen it deeply united. The devotion to the most holy name and the precious blood because the holy faith devotion centers on reparation. That's a great point, brother. against reparation for offenses against our Lord, blasphemy against his name, sacrilege, indifference, and insults. Think of it this way, my brother. The holy name honors who our Lord is. The precious blood honors what he shed on the cross at Calvary for our redemption. and the holy face. It really does contemplate the person of Jesus himself, that wounded face that truly was battered and beaten for us. And that holy face devotion carries those themes there. Brother, you're going to love you're going to love that not the next debate, but the debate after on the suffering servant against Dr. Shabir Ali.

[00:39:40]That debate is heavily focused in the holy face. Heavily focused. you are in for a treat cuz I'm going to be doing heavy theology in the holy faith. It's tied in with my debate on our Lord as suffering servant. You're in for a treat. And that devotion carries both themes into one act of love and reparation. And that holy face is so powerful. It's centered on our Lord himself. On our Lord, remember what Psalm 27:8 says, "Your face, Lord, I will seek. Or your face, Lord, will I seek." Same thing. Remember that. And to seek his face now is to behold the beauty of our Lord. The beauty of our Lord. So you're right. They're they're interconnected. And many tremendous saints saw many saints and devotees.

[00:40:27]They saw it. They said this was a remedy for the evils of the age. And and here's here's the beautiful irony, brother. The world may have mocked the face of the suffering servant of our Lord, but we adore it. Right, brother? We adore it.

[00:40:42]The world may have spat on it, but we kiss his face. We kiss it and we love him. We love his holy name. And we say, "Blessed be the name of Jesus forever."

[00:40:54]And that devotion is a tremendous one, brother. And they do go interconnected together with the holy name, the precious blood, and the reparation to Jesus himself, brother. Beautiful, beautiful points. I think you're better now. I think you're good there.

[00:41:07]>> Am I good now?

[00:41:08]>> Oh, yeah. Even your audio is better.

[00:41:09]There you go.

[00:41:10]>> Okay. You know what? No. You know what I think? You know what? I think it was >> I think it's because the weather is kind of bad and like um um it's also been kind of raining pretty hard here and all that. So, I don't think that that's what it has to do with it.

[00:41:24]>> So, what I'll do is I'll probably just keep my camera off just so that it maybe >> maybe that will help. But, >> yeah. Yeah. No, no worries at all. No worries at all. Audience, we will in a moment. Definitely. Brother Frances, HOW YOU BEEN? WHERE YOU BEEN, MAN? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, BROTHER? GOD BLESS YOU, MY FRIEND. UM, YEAH. And we'll begin bringing people up backstage in a moment. Faithful, just be patient. We'll begin bringing you up in a moment. Don't leave. We're going to get to you and we're going to get to every every uh every questions that you all have as well. Okay, let's continue.

[00:41:55]>> And also remember, we have some people backstage as well.

[00:41:58]>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get to them.

[00:41:59]Uh should we do it in about 15 minutes we start bringing people up?

[00:42:05]>> Yeah. And then just remember if you guys are if you guys are backstage, drop in your question, your faith, and then um make sure that when you guys come up here because we do have a lot of people back here, >> make sure you come up here, be clear and concise with your question.

[00:42:19]>> Um and uh and so that way William can give you a a good answer and whatnot.

[00:42:25]But you know, if only if you're only coming up here just to say hi and stuff, maybe save it for another day.

[00:42:32]Respectfully, >> don't say hi in the chat. Don't do that.

[00:42:36]>> Please don't do that. I I I I listen, William may be patient, but I am not.

[00:42:41]So, um I'm just letting y'all know. So, anyway, >> done 64.

[00:42:49]>> Why would you smoke that guy in a debate like that, MIKE? OH, HE CALLS ME MIKE, TOO. What a hater. How could you make him look like he doesn't read the Bible?

[00:42:59]Shaking my head, man. Because I'm clearly William Ostein, man. That's why, man.

[00:43:04]Man, >> is that your plan with the quietness mug?

[00:43:10]>> It is. Yeah.

[00:43:11]>> Yeah. Matt sent it to me. It's a gift.

[00:43:13]>> Why would he do that?

[00:43:16]>> Um, >> I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

[00:43:18]>> What a hater. What a hater.

[00:43:20]>> Hey, when's your debate coming up on P with Quinus?

[00:43:23]>> Oh, I already confirmed it'll be coming out next week. It's already been confirmed.

[00:43:27]>> It's funny how people are going to Yeah, it's been confirmed. It's funny how people the debate on the bodily assumption will be out next week and people are like, "Oh man, he's barely doing that one." It's been like what has it been like three weeks? Sorry. Or a month? I forget.

[00:43:38]>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a it's been a while.

[00:43:42]>> It's been a bit of a minute. That's okay. That'll people are going to >> If you do come up, Liz, if you do come up and say hi, I will be very happy.

[00:43:54]>> And you know what's funny? You know what's funny? This girl literally when she first came into your streams, she didn't really speak. She was awkward.

[00:44:02]She was just like quiet and didn't really say much. And now now she's over here bullying us. She first she started bullying you and I thought I was really funny. But then she started bullying me too. And I was like, "Oh, man." I'm like, "It's not that funny." But you know what? I realized we we corrupted her.

[00:44:18]>> We have Who corrupted my boy uh my boy Brona, man. Church fan one. Hello.

[00:44:25]He got us both. He got us both.

[00:44:30]>> My boy, man.

[00:44:34]>> The chat did not let me live that down after Cameron kept calling me a he. I was like, I am literally about to freaking message Cameron and be like, "Dude, stop calling me a he. I'm about I'm getting roasted by the entire chat."

[00:44:46]>> I saw that. All right, let's dive in.

[00:44:48]Let's dive in.

[00:44:48]>> Bunch of haters. John 7 that neither did his brethren believe in him but when his brethren were gone up then he also went up to the feast not openly but as it were in secret and John doesn't mention the names of these brothers. Luke doesn't mention their names uh in these passages just Matthew and Mark in those two places I mentioned. Acts also mentions his brethren and Paul's epistles mention the brothers of Jesus.

[00:45:11]He mentions uh Paul.

[00:45:13]>> Notice how audience I for the life of me I don't get why he would waste so much time in an opening statement which goes so fast just reminding us that they're called brothers. Look, we know they're called brothers. We know that. That's pretty clear. We know that they're called brothers. The onus is on you. The onus is on you to prove to us that brother means it comes from the same mother.

[00:45:40]That is the what the burden of proof that was on him. We know that they are brothers and sisters. How are they though? In what way? Because we know in ancient Judaism, cousins lived under the same roof and they would have been referred to as brothers and sisters. We know that because we pointed that out in our book and Mary. I mean, how many years has our book and Mary been out?

[00:46:02]Three to four four years. And we haven't heard a rebuttal yet on Mark 6 tied in with the book of numbers. Cousins lived under the same household. Prove to us that these are children of Mary. They're not. Furthermore, as I pointed out, this is devastating. The John 19 argument is enormous. If there were other brothers, if they were there, they would have been entrusted to the care of Mary. That was part of the law. It wasn't a matter of, oh, well, you know, they weren't believers. That's bunk. Pho doesn't even use that argument. Pho tells you if there are siblings, they got to take care of the mother. That's part of the rules. Those are the law. That is the law. Honor thy father and thy mother.

[00:46:47]And the Bible tells you very clearly. It shows you that. That's a bad bad argument. I got to tell you, Ari, it's bad. you know, over and over I hearing him bring these arguments up and I'm just, you know, I'm not impressed. And I kept pushing over and over asking, okay, well, you know, you know, give me your proof. Give me your proof. And there's just nothing there. There just these were not there were not good arguments.

[00:47:14]Uh, and the John 19 one I don't I don't feel God uh ever dealt with. And I hope a Protestant wakes up and deals with it because I don't think he dealt with John 19. I brought up John 19 and I pointed out how if Mary is entrusted to the beloved disciple in perpetuity there could be no there there were no siblings then there were none and the point that I was making is right here our Lord himself says for Moses said honor your father and your mother but you say if a man says to his father or mother whatever prophet you might have received from me as corban that is a gift to then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Jesus condemns that. He says they're making the word of God of no effect. You need to take care of your parents. You have to. And 1 Timothy 5 tells you, "If any widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show piety at home and to repay their parents." How? But if anyone does not provide for his own, especially those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

[00:48:30]We never heard a rebuttal to that. He had nothing in John 19. If they were brothers, if James, Joseph, Jude, and Simon were children of Mary, they would have taken care of her. They're nowhere to be found. Because they're nowhere to be found, our Lord hands Mother Mary over to the care of the beloved disciple.

[00:48:51]As I said, Ari, I could have just stuck to the Bible and refuted him. It was just a cherry on the top using the early church fathers.

[00:48:59]>> Yeah, it was really sad. Honestly, I said you >> sound deflated.

[00:49:05]>> Yeah, it it's just it disappointed me, man, because I was expecting this debate to be like really good and Turret fan just really really just he didn't do well at all. It was a It was a little bit one-sided.

[00:49:17]>> Yeah.

[00:49:17]>> Are you the Are YOU THE ONE WHO'S THE one that did it? Somebody Somebody sent the super chat in forcing Cameron to say who he thought won the debate. Was that you?

[00:49:30]I could not believe that. Was that you?

[00:49:34]>> What do you think?

[00:49:35]>> That was pretty good. I got to hand it to you.

[00:49:37]>> I know. But I was like, you know, and it was so funny because he was like, man, and like the fact that he knew that he had to answer it, I literally gave him no choice but to have to answer that. So >> that was a sneaky super chat. I got to hand it to you.

[00:49:52]>> And and then me telling you guys what was the best and worst evidence that you guys both presented to each other.

[00:49:59]Overall, wanted you guys to insult each other. And then >> give it to you right afterwards.

[00:50:05]>> That was good. I got to hand it to you.

[00:50:07]I got ahead of you.

[00:50:08]>> And then the one where I said um the one where I told them why why should I practically the gist of is why should I take your side if like the church fathers scripture and basically like even the Protestant reformers all disagree with literally every single one of them disagree with this viewpoint. So >> yeah, even his very own namesake. That didn't look good.

[00:50:30]>> Oh my gosh. See, everybody's calling me a boy now. Freaking you know what?

[00:50:34]>> Where I'm not even looking in the chat, are they? Oh, >> I can't. Hallelujah. Come on.

[00:50:41]>> And then they said that I that I didn't correct him. I don't remember. I don't remember him doing that.

[00:50:45]>> No. Yeah, you didn't correct him at all.

[00:50:47]And I was I was so mad. I was like, "What the hell, William?"

[00:50:50]>> No, cuz first it was Father Copus calling me Ary and then it and then you also went along and Harry's not that bad.

[00:50:57]>> And then Cameron called me a he and I was like, "What the heck?"

[00:51:00]>> Oh, your brother James Taylor there.

[00:51:02]Look at that.

[00:51:07]All right. All right. All right. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

[00:51:10]>> James, the Lord's brother by name, and also mentions other brothers without naming them in 1 Corinthians 9:5. So, we have the all four of the gospels, Acts, and Paul's epistles telling us that Jesus had brothers and sisters.

[00:51:28]Joseph eventually knew Mary.

[00:51:32]Matthew 1:24-25 says, "Then Joseph, being raised from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife, and knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son, and he called his name Jesus." The only reason for that word till in English is the Well, that word till is not there in English, dude.

[00:51:56]Did you hear what he said? The only reason for that word kill in English.

[00:51:59]Well, buddy, it isn't there in Greek.

[00:52:02]Uh, it is there in Greek, but very clearly this is not written in English.

[00:52:07]This is not written in English. So, very clearly in Greek until can mean different things and it does here. Why is it used here? Well, Matthew chapter 1 and by the way, shout out to Lord Jesus Christ reigns. God bless you, brother.

[00:52:22]This ties in perfectly with this right here. Do you feel Turin fan's strongest point was this one, brother William, Matthew 125, the Travis Wright linguistic argument? Um, I don't. And I'm going to tell you why I think this argument is DOA. Uh, and I'll tell you what I think his strongest argument was that eventually even that one falls apart. Brother, thank you for the support. Thank you for the super chat.

[00:52:45]Much love, brother. I love you dearly, my friend. The reason I don't think the until is strong is because we're talking about the Greek language and language is different. Greek is different from English. Matthew chapter 1 is not teaching that Mary later had relations with Joseph. If you look at Matthew 1, it's focused on the fulfillment of prophecy and the virginal conception. In fact, Matthew flat out tells you for his purpose. He says it is the fulfillment of Isaiah 7. In fact, he will interrupt his narrative. I want you to to read Matthew 1 again. He'll interrupt the narrative. He's going to tell you all of this took place to fulfill what the Lord has spoken by the prophet.

[00:53:34]Then he quotes in Matthew 1:23, he quotes Isaiah 7:14. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son. So the entirety of the text is moving towards a virgin conceiving and the fulfillment.

[00:53:50]It isn't the virgin marrying and then later sexual relations. The focus is a christoologgical one. Our Lord is Emmanuel. He is God with us of Isaiah 7.

[00:54:01]When you look at Matthew 1:25, he knew her not until it doesn't require a change after. You look at that Greek chaos and it that very often marks what happened up to a point without saying what happened afterward. One example we can give you is Matthew 28:20. I am in the very same book, the very same author showing you the very same author can use chaos until to show you that there is not going to be a change in state.

[00:54:31]Matthew 28:20, I am with you always until the end of the age.

[00:54:37]Well, our Lord is not going to not be with us at the end of the age anymore, is he? No, he's always going to be with us. But I'm going to show you how that Greek word is used, even in sexual related context, if you will. 2 Samuel 6:23, Mikall had no child until the day of her death. Well, something's telling me, something tells me Mikall didn't become a zombie and have a kid. No, she didn't have children after death. She clearly didn't. So to say Joseph did not know her until she gave birth is doing one thing. It's affirming her virginity before the birth. It doesn't automatically mean relations happen after. And all of Matthew 1 is dealing with Isaiah 7. That's what I brought up in my opening statement, in my cross-examination against them, and in my closing. St. Matthew is defending the virginal conception. That's why he tells you in Matthew 1:18, before they came together, before the house is joined, he's talking about this virginal conception. He tells you there's a virgin conception, there's divine sunship, the prophecies being fulfilled. He never says, "And afterward, Joseph knew her." That's important. And I brought that up to church. He never says, "And afterward, Joseph knew her." People always say, they think, "Well, Matthew is saying Joseph knew her." No, he's not. Not at all. What St. Matthew is doing over and over and over and over is echoing Old Testament fulfillment language. That it might be fulfilled. That it might be fulfilled. That it might be fulfilled.

[00:56:15]So, the concern is one according to Matthew 1, the concern is who is Jesus?

[00:56:21]Well, we're told he's Emanuel, which means God with us. We have his identity there. Okay? Okay. So, we're told who he is. He's God with us.

[00:56:29]It's very clear. He's a virgin born, Emanuel. We're not told what happened later in Joseph's marriage. For that, we go to other texts, but Matthew 1's concerned with a virgin birth. That's it.

[00:56:42]Any thoughts? Sorry.

[00:56:44]>> No, I think you've practically said everything.

[00:56:48]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, let's do this.

[00:56:50]>> Only reason. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[00:56:52]>> Should we bring people up in about three minutes?

[00:56:55]Yes, but I also want to make sure that you don't miss any super chats today.

[00:56:58]>> Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, I'm not going to miss any of them. Don't worry, we won't miss any of them.

[00:57:02]>> Yeah. I want to make sure >> you have this really cool thing. Your your thing back here is super cool. It shows me all the ones that I've already tapped.

[00:57:10]>> Okay. Okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah.

[00:57:11]>> The way you have it set up is amazing, man.

[00:57:13]>> I'm I'm That's why That's why I let you take control of it.

[00:57:16]>> Wow. I love it. It's great.

[00:57:18]>> It's easier that way.

[00:57:20]>> Yeah. Yeah. I got to figure out how to do that on my end, man.

[00:57:24]I love it.

[00:57:25]>> I mean, who the I mean, who the heck are you going to put as admin if you literally just always you?

[00:57:31]>> No, I got to figure out how to copy your setup, though.

[00:57:34]>> Oh, so bad. Too bad. I'm cooler than you. It's okay.

[00:57:39]>> The hater, man. All right.

[00:57:40]>> You will never live up to me. It's >> all righty.

[00:57:45]>> That's needed in the text is to him his wife. what was commanded between Mary and Joseph was not some kind of brother sister friendship or companionship or guardianship but marriage.

[00:57:55]>> Uh yeah, and nobody's arguing that they weren't married. We know that they were married, but there can be both. And to say that it's not a guardianship, you are wrong. All of the parallels are there to show you that St. Joseph really is the guardian of the new ark. And yes, Mother Mary is the new ark.

[00:58:15]By the way, there was no good push back during the Q&A on that particular point.

[00:58:20]And as I've said before in the past, uh, and I'll say it again, anybody ever willing to debate William Albert and whether or not Mother Mary is the new ark of the new covenant, that challenge is out there.

[00:58:33]>> And you can appreciate that maybe Joseph the other side and explain why those are not correct and then handle some expected rebuttals of the positive case I've made. are the negative arguments as well. So those are Mary's surprise of our virginity, John's guardianship and tradition as well as perhaps some responses to the arguments. Luke 1 134 records this. It then said Mary to the angel, how shall this be, seeing I know not a man. I know not a man is a Hebrew way of saying, I'm a virgin. Mary's surprise here is because she's being congratulated about being about to give birth to a son and she hasn't even consummated her marriage yet.

[00:59:12]Congratulations on your pregnancy is a strange sort of greeting to someone in Mary's condition.

[00:59:18]I got to say when I read that doesn't sound to me like uh the archangel uh Gabriel is merely congratulating her. In fact, no. Let's actually go to Luke 1.

[00:59:31]And when we get to Luke 1, we're going to show you that no, he's he's wrong.

[00:59:36]Let's get to Luke chapter 1.

[00:59:40]And then here we are. Hail full of grace. The Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women. But when she saw him, the angel, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God." And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the son of the most high. And the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David. He'll reign over the house of Jacob and of his kingdom there will be no end. He is telling her the result of her of her ascent, the result of her agreement will bring about the incarnation.

[01:00:26]He's not showing up with a cake saying, "Hey, congratulations." He is telling her this is what's going to happen. And Mary hearing that she's going to conceive, she doesn't know how yet, says, "How can this be since I know not man?" She's a vowed virgin.

[01:00:44]She doesn't know about the overshadowing yet. I want you to put it in your head, audience. The angel appears says, "You're going to give birth to a child."

[01:00:55]Mary knows how babies come about. He's not telling you you're going to give a birth give birth after explaining about the overshadowing. It isn't until Mary says, "Well, how can it happen? I don't know man." She says, "How can this be? I know not man." Then the angel tells her, "Because the angel knows she's a vowed virgin. The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you." Mary knew how children would normally come about. If she planned to have normal relations with Joseph, normal sexual relations, she wouldn't have had to have asked, "How can this be since I know not men?" By the very fact that she's using a a Hebrew sexual idiom means that she would know the normal way babies come about.

[01:01:43]But then the Archangel Gabriel says, "Hold on. you are a vowed virgin.

[01:01:49]Therefore, you're going to be overshadowed. You're not going to have sexual relations. That's why I pointed out the connection to Jeffa's daughter.

[01:01:55]And there were crickets. There was no rebuttal because in Judges 11, Jeffa makes a vow and and his daughter is part of that vow. And we read that the daughter knew no man. The exact language is found used by Mary. I know not men.

[01:02:14]The exact language. The Greek of the Septuagent uses the exact idiomatic framework to not know a man. The only other place where we have that parallel is in the book of Judges. And I brought that up to show him mother Mary is a perpetually vowed virgin. He had no rebuttal to that. Simply didn't have anything.

[01:02:38]>> Anyone except for an angel, you might expect her to be offended and say, "Do you think I'm fat?" or to give an angry slap to the face of the person saying, "How dare you?" It would be an impertinent question from anyone but an angel.

[01:02:52]But an angel did offer her this strange congratulations.

[01:02:57]I I just don't see um Yeah, I don't see any congratulations here. Um you found favor. He's explaining things.

[01:03:09]Um he's praising her. There's no doubt. But the way that he's making it seem like the angel showed up and said, "Hey man, we're throwing a party." Um yeah, it's definitely not the way he's painting it.

[01:03:24]Some people have suggested there might be some kind of vow of virginity which the scriptures don't describe for us. In fact, this comes this idea comes from stems from a book that St. Thomas Aquinus referred to as apocryphal ravings.

[01:03:39]>> No, it does. Stems from Judges 11 total bunk. He's wrong >> in Suma Theologica third part question 35 article 6 reply to objection three.

[01:03:49]Even while citing Jerome's against Helvidius that's he's citing Jerome's work.

[01:03:55]>> Now the reason to St. Thomas did not like the proto evangelium and the reason St. Jerome didn't like it is because both of them believe St. Joseph was a perpetual virgin.

[01:04:06]So what? They had the right to believe that. Anyone has the right to believe that about St. Joseph. St. Thomas loved St. Joseph. So did St. Jerome. And they believed he was a perpetual virgin. That is why they say that. But neither of them thought Mary had other children.

[01:04:21]Neither of them thought Mary had sexual relations. They just didn't favor the proto evangelium because the proto evangelium portrays St. Joseph as an elderly man. And they believe St. Joseph to have been a young robust man that was a perpetual virgin along with Mother Mary. And I believe you prefer that as well. Whoa, we lost Ari. Ari has bad internet.

[01:04:45]Signal faithful. That might be why we're we're losing her. Let's pause for a moment. Wait till she comes back and take a few super chats. Audience, thank you for your tremendous questions. We're going to go backstage in just a moment.

[01:04:56]In just a few moments, we're going to go backstage. I want to give an enormous shout out to the incredible Rafael.

[01:05:01]Raphael, how you doing, man? How you been, brother? Did you love the debate, brother? Did you like it, man? Raphael, God bless you, brother. I hope you're doing well, my friend. Who got gifted that membership? I hope I didn't miss it, man. If I did miss it, I'm going to lash myself, I think. Forgive me if I did miss it. I'm going to blame Ari. She usually gets tells me who got gifted it.

[01:05:22]Forgive me. Forgive me. But let me tell you, I love you dearly. Thank you so much for your support, brother. You're tremendous, man. Thank you so much for your support.

[01:05:33]The tremendous Lena Molina. What is the mindset of Protestants to denigrate the blessed virgin Mary? Do they really think it brings them closer to Christ? I wouldn't want to be them on judgment day, Lena.

[01:05:45]Well, you know, I wouldn't want to be them on judgment day. I tell you that right now. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes on judgment day.

[01:05:53]They have been taught to hate Mary because it's a Catholic thing to love Mary and their anti-atholicism has driven them to madness.

[01:06:05]Let me tell you, my friend, it does not give more honor to Jesus by trashing his mother. I tell you one thing, I would not be happy at anyone denigrating my mother. I would be furious.

[01:06:18]And I tell you one thing, if they think that it brings more glory to Christ, what gives Christ his true glory, as the great blessed Duncotus pointed out, is showing he truly is the greatest mediator of all. And he truly did mediate for his mother, created her all immaculate, holy, sinless, the great mother of God. That really does give him all his due glory, showing what a beautiful creature he crafted.

[01:06:47]that gives the true glory to Christ. Not denigrating his mother, not calling her a sinner, not calling her all these kinds of names, claiming she had other children when very clearly that the Bible does not present it that way. And very clearly the early church fathers did not teach that either. And neither did the reformers. Man, did you all LIKE THAT CROSS-EXAMINATION WHEN I BROUGHT OUT TURIN, THE REAL FRANCIS TURIN? Tell me you love that, man. when I brought out the real Francis Turin. Did you all like that, man? Tell me if you all love that, man. I love that, man. Please stop female.

[01:07:26]Brona, you you ran her off, Brona. I don't know what happened to Ari now.

[01:07:33]She I think she said the weather was terrible.

[01:07:37]Terrible, man. We got to pray. Hopefully Ari COMES BACK. JAMES TATE, THE LEGEND, the man, the myth, the legend. How you doing, James? The most holy name converted Kurdistan. A freedic Catholic count in an Aryan court is beloved by all the apostles, beloved by St. Augustine. Wait till you see the amount of work I'm doing in the holy name and the holy face. Because now my next two debates, my next debate is, is Jesus God? And then after that, is Jesus a suffering servant?

[01:08:10]And of course, the holy name, the holy face are tied in heavily with our Lord as suffering servant. I cannot wait to return to that world. I cannot wait to talk about the holy name, talk about the holy face, and to show you all my deep work in this area. I cannot wait.

[01:08:27]Brother James, thank you for the support legend. God bless you. I have not heard of that. I want to do deep research on that. James, let me take a photo.

[01:08:35]Freed the Goth Gothic Catholic Count Naarian Court. I've got to dig into that. I've never heard of that one, brother. Hey, you're your I guess your your your weather's bad over there, Ari.

[01:08:49]>> Yeah, it was pretty good. Do I sound okay, though?

[01:08:52]>> You sound great. Perfectly fine.

[01:08:57]>> I do. Okay. Okay.

[01:08:58]>> Yeah, there you do have a little bit of a lag.

[01:09:00]>> I wanted to make sure that I at least good.

[01:09:05]Yeah, there's a bit of a lag. I want to say about this time is probably the worst lag ever. Maybe about four or five second lag, >> but it we'll make it work. Don't worry, Ari. We're going to make it work. We're going to make it work. We're going to make it work. Don't worry, man. We'll make it work. We'll make it work.

[01:09:25]Shout out to the tremendous Lord Jesus Christ reigns. How you doing, brother?

[01:09:28]How you doing tonight, man? God bless you, brother. says and chrostim explicitly uses this parallel against those who misread Matthew 1:25 this is a true minimal pair writ's argument must account for it thank you my brother thank you and that is the thing brother that's the one thing that I need to point out very clearly that I want to focus on very clearly we've got to focus on the fact that don't you think the Greek fathers who knew the language the fathers who knew Greek. Don't you think they would have considered that he argument convincing?

[01:10:06]Chrostimos was a master of Greek.

[01:10:09]Chrysologist was a master of Greek.

[01:10:12]Jerome was a master of Greek, Latin and Hebrew. Why didn't they read Matthew 1:25 and say, "Oh my goodness, smoking gun. Joseph and Mary had relations." And we can go throughout all the history of church history and look at all the fathers that knew the languages. Not a one of them ever read Matthew 1:25 the way modern day Protestants do, brother.

[01:10:35]Not a one of them read it and said, "Well, look, that 10 means St. Joseph and Holy Mary had sexual relations."

[01:10:43]Nobody ever taught that. There's not even one reading of Matthew 125 that way. And I dare say even even the semi-arans because we have a few writings of semi-arans read Matthew 125 and interpret it as the Catholics interpret it. That should shock you. It was extreme arens that denied the perpetual virginity of Mary.

[01:11:08]>> All right, let's dive in.

[01:11:10]>> In favor of the perpetual virginity of Mary against Helvidius, his opponent.

[01:11:16]But in that even while citing him he declares that this book is apocryphal ratings the one that claims that she has some kind of vow of virginity and makes other claims as well such as that she had a midwife. Uh that's I think that's the particular claim that that Thomas is objecting to. And this book never calls Joseph Mary's husband. In fact they put in the mouth of Joseph she is not my wife. That's section 19 of that work.

[01:11:43]And it's been a condemned work. St. Joseph is clearly married to Mary even in the proto evangelium. The reason that language is used is meant to show you in a poetic flourish that they're not going to have normal relations the way normal married people would have relations. He doesn't bring that up though >> work as well. But we'll move on. What about >> No, it is not a condemned work. He's wrong. And I challenged him during the debate to prove that.

[01:12:12]>> John's guardianship on the cross. Jesus entrusted Mary to John and John to Mary.

[01:12:17]The argument assumes that the only reason for doing this is because Jesus is an only child. But the better answer is that Jesus trusted John in a way that he did not trust his own half brothers.

[01:12:28]After all, Jesus says, and this is in Matthew and Mark and Luke. And here are the three things, three ways that he's described to saying it. He he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples and said, "Behold my mother and my brethren." This is after the people told him that his mother and brothers were there. He said, "No, my mother and my brothers, those are my disciples." The psych those who sit around him. Behold, >> I want you all to pay attention to that argument because even though I dealt with that argument in the cross- examination and in my closing, I want you all to pay attention to what he's saying. Pay attention to what he's saying here.

[01:13:03]>> Bold my mother and my brethren. And Luke Luke 8 puts it this way. My mother and my brethren are those which hear the word of God and do it. He's telling you that in other words since the brethren at the time are unbelieving James, Joseph, Jude, and Simon, they're not believing at the time. And because John does believe that that is exactly why at the foot of the cross, Mary would be handed over to John. But I hate to break it to you, there is no such provisio. It doesn't exist. You've got to honor your father and mother. Whether or not you're a believer has nothing to do with what the law says. In fact, our Lord condemns the idea that that you can say you don't owe anything to your mother, to your father or mother. If a man says to his father and mother, "Whatever prophet you might have received from me as corban, then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother." We're told that if you don't honor your father and mother, you make the word of God of no effect through your tradition. And if you've denied taking care of your your your family, you are worse than an unbeliever. Meaning part of the law, it doesn't matter if they were believers or not. Part of the law was you had to take care of your parents. Pho is very clear. Let's look at Pho.

[01:14:32]And there are also others who are unable to support themselves. For children are no more able to do so at the commencement of their existence than their parents are at the end of their lives. On which account the children having, while young been fed in accordance with the spontaneous prompings of nature, now with joy do in return support the old age of their parents. But if you read earlier, he calls it a debt. He says it is a debt to support and take care of your parents.

[01:15:01]It is a debt. He says that in his decalogue.

[01:15:04]And neither of them say, "Well, they've got to be believers." Well, let's blow that argument out of the water, too.

[01:15:09]That, well, he handed her over to John.

[01:15:12]She has handed over to John because John's a believer here and they're not. Well, that then there assumes that our Lord really was ignorant then. He truly would have been ignorant perhaps even in his divine nature according to Turin because our Lord would have known just three days later that these brothers would begin to believe right because clearly they do believe eventually they see the bodily risen Christ and they believe. So according to him, well clearly the reason that they that that Mary is handed over to John is because they don't believe. That doesn't hold up because just a few days later they would believe. Number one, I reject that. Nowhere does the law say, well, they've got to be believers to take care of the mother. No, they've got to take care of the mother. They're required by the law. Period. Whether they're believers or not. But let's pretend that believers argument does work. If you read the Greek of John 19 and the unanimous interpretation of the fathers, mother Mary is given over to St. John perpetually.

[01:16:21]Perpetually. Now, if these really were children of Mary, Mary would have been handed over only for a certain time, not in perpetuity, but Mary does go to stay with John perpetually till the end of her life. She does. We know that through sacred tradition, these arguments don't work. Anywhere you turn, arguments against the perpetual virginity of Mary, they miserably fall apart.

[01:16:50]How you doing, internet? Should we begin uh bringing people up? You good with that?

[01:16:54]>> Yeah, I'm good with that.

[01:16:55]>> Okay. Okay.

[01:16:57]>> You can hear me. Okay. Right.

[01:16:58]>> Great. Now, I can hear you great.

[01:17:00]>> Okay. So, if I start lagging again, let me know cuz >> No worries. You you know how the stupid weather is sometimes.

[01:17:06]>> Yeah. No, no, no. I know. And I'm I'm hearing that it's thundering here, too.

[01:17:10]But I'm good right now. I'm doing all right. Let's bring up McMahon. McMahon.

[01:17:13]By the way, audience, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to come back here. We'd love to hear from you. If you want to challenge me, you think, "Hey, man, I wish I was there in Turton fans place and now I'm here and I'm going to put you in your place, William." Well, the link is pinned. You got your chance.

[01:17:28]Or if you have a question in good faith, we'd love to hear from you all. We're gonna bring up McMahon who is here first. McMahon, how you doing, brother?

[01:17:36]>> I'm doing excellent. Thank you, William.

[01:17:38]Great debate.

[01:17:39]>> Thank you.

[01:17:40]>> God bless you. God bless everyone.

[01:17:42]>> God bless you, brother.

[01:17:43]>> All glory and uh glory to our blessed mother.

[01:17:48]>> Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.

[01:17:49]>> And I just wanted to make you kind of already covered it for the most part, so I'll be brief. But in his uh in Turan fans um assertion about Luke 1 in the enunciation >> um that the that Gabriel is basically just you know hey we're here to celebrate and have a party cuz you're pregnant you know you've conceived. Um, I mean really underlying all of that is I realize is his like implicit Calvinism because in his mind because Mary doesn't consent till Luke 138.

[01:18:25]>> You're correct.

[01:18:26]>> And then and then and then the angel leaves. That's like literally the text.

[01:18:30]She says, "Be it done to me according to thy will >> and then the and then the angel leaves."

[01:18:35]So that's consent on her part >> where I I am I think that I'm guessing because of his Calvinism in his mind >> the angel's announcing to her that she's already conceive because she doesn't have a choice in the matter like basically and that kind of makes God like a >> like you know I don't want to say the word but >> yeah remember that according to Turin you're 100% right according to Turin Mary does not need to give her free ascent there is no need for her to do that because ultimately the way that they view free will is in a very distorted manner. So yeah, you're definitely correct about that.

[01:19:15]>> So again, I think that's where his implicit bias comes in in his reading of that is that you know Mary, it doesn't matter what Mary, you know what I mean?

[01:19:24]like in a in a way it makes it almost like you know like a pagan god in the sense that it's like they just come and do what they will with women and women just kind of have to you know accept what the pregnancy that they're receiving rather than it being consent given by the blessed mother.

[01:19:40]>> Yeah. Um, so I think that's really sad.

[01:19:43]Um, because it makes God, you know, like a I'm again I'm not going to say the word, but um and then uh also just uh it um when Gabriel's telling her, you know, you will, you know, you will conceive before she's given her consent.

[01:20:03]>> Like everything is about you will you will you will. And it's not like you you have you have right and then even she says be it done to me according to thy will and then the angel leaves. So it doesn't even say like that that when that conception is going to take place >> in the text there. Now I don't know the Greek obviously because I'm not that educated but the text doesn't say at any point that uh you know the when this conception is supposed to take place. So the idea that it's like has to be right now that the angel is telling her before she's given consent that it's already happened and or it's like you know happening in that moment >> like just isn't in the text. So the idea that I don't know just the idea that she would be surprised because it's happened already or that it's happening right now just isn't borne out by the text. So I don't understand the how they get to that point. But that was really it. I mean, >> yeah, >> you have any questions.

[01:21:04]>> All right, brother, brother.

[01:21:06]>> Yeah, of course.

[01:21:07]>> Hey, brother. God bless you, my friend.

[01:21:08]Have a good one.

[01:21:09]>> You, too. God bless.

[01:21:11]>> God bless you, brother.

[01:21:17]>> The humblest of all of them, man. How you doing, brother?

[01:21:20]>> Hey, what's up, guys?

[01:21:23]>> Ario. What the hell?

[01:21:24]>> That's the humblest one, right? Ari, he's the humblest.

[01:21:27]You can call him humble, but as Father Steven said, I don't think he's humble.

[01:21:33]>> He would never dare come up and call himself humble with Father Copus on though.

[01:21:37]>> Oh, I know. He won't. He's scared of him.

[01:21:39]>> He's scared of him.

[01:21:40]>> No, I would do that.

[01:21:42]>> Well, well, you got to We got to see Tuesday. Do it then.

[01:21:45]>> Tuesday. What time are you going live?

[01:21:48]Is that the morning show?

[01:21:49]>> That's the evening one. That's >> the evening one.

[01:21:52]>> Yeah.

[01:21:52]>> Yeah. If I don't have to work overtime, I might be there. Okay. All right.

[01:21:57]>> Yeah. And I mean, if if he tries to argue against me, I'll use the numbers 123 argument and just immediately debunk him like you.

[01:22:05]>> Rosario, watch yourself cuz remember this is my stream and even though William is streaming, I can kick your butt or remember that I hold his power.

[01:22:16]Anyhow, what I did kind of what I did kind of want to bring up um was that this complete nonsense of just Protestants kind of clinging to the word brother.

[01:22:34]>> Yeah.

[01:22:35]when even in in in modern language for example in whether that would be German or English or Polish like me and my friends we would call each other brother all the time.

[01:22:48]>> Sure. So I don't understand where Protestants see this necessity that in um ancient languages brother was supposed to be literal because um as far as I know ancient languages while they were grammatically more intricate >> and sophisticated than modern languages, >> they didn't have as many words when it comes to word count, >> right? They may have used specific words for things that were just native to that region like flowers or an animal or whatever, but when it comes to abstract ideas, I mean, they used the same word to describe a plethora of ideas.

[01:23:29]>> So, I don't understand why in the world they would hearken to, like I said, brother meaning specifically blood related brother.

[01:23:38]>> Yeah. I mean and and if it look if that's the case that in the ancient world they were so hearkening onto that and I don't know if that would kind of stand as a valid argument or question but me personally I would have asked fan at what p point in history have people stopped using brother literally and started using it more in a broader sense.

[01:24:08]Yeah.

[01:24:09]>> Right.

[01:24:10]>> Yeah. And and and the real answer is they've all it's always been used that way in a broader sense.

[01:24:16]>> So that's a really good point that uh it's always been used that way in in a broader way. Uh in the Semitic world it was used that way in a broader way. Uh in in in the Greek world it was used in a broader way as well. It was used in a broader way in ancient Judaism.

[01:24:33]So really ultimately I don't know why his opening statement uh focus so much on brothers. We know that they're called brothers. Even Josephans refers to the brother of the Lord as James. James is the brother of the Lord. All the early fathers refer to James as brother of the Lord. All the while recognizing he's not a child of Mary. So it's not a matter of them being called a delos or delfe. It's a matter of how are they brothers in what way? Because you can read Abraham and Lot are brothers but they most definitely are not brothers from the same mother their uncle and nephew. So you know what we need to do is identify how are they brothers and sisters and I think that we've done that I think we've done that sufficiently when we go to Mark 6 uh because we've challenged him many times over he has no answer for it because in Mark 6 we have it here is this not the carpenter son of Mary mother of James Joseph Jude and Simon and are not his sisters all here with us and as you can tell there I underlined the Greek You've got the Greek word for kin for relative and the Greek word singanusen.

[01:25:46]And I've underlined them adelfas adelf.

[01:25:50]But the thing is that those brothers and sisters are identified as kinsmen as singes.

[01:25:58]So we most definitely do read that they're called brothers and the sisters are mentioned not named. But then we're told in verse four, a prophet is not without honor, but in his own country among his own relatives. Now, if these brothers and sisters were children of Mary, they wouldn't be called kinsmen.

[01:26:19]They wouldn't. But Mark 6 identifies them as relatives.

[01:26:25]They live in the household, right? But in ancient Judaism, households were quite uh expensive, extensive. you had cousins living under the same roof, real siblings and what have you, especially for poor for poor families. A lot of people would live under the same roof.

[01:26:42]So, they're identified, they're named, they're listed, and then we're told they're relatives. They can't be children of Mary. That to me should end all the debate. He had no answer for that.

[01:26:52]>> Yeah. And I mean even when you use utilize the term brother in a titular manner like for example when I call brother Michael Diamond my brother well that doesn't mean that he's actually my brother right.

[01:27:06]>> Oh my goodness man. Now now now he's in the heresy camp. Like Ari's Ari's loving it man. I'm sure Ari's loving it man.

[01:27:13]>> It's okay. I mean, I still hold on to the fact that Atoria's believed in the conception >> and he's your homie.

[01:27:21]>> Yeah, he's my homie. Thanks to Rosarium, you know, he grew up because the Rosarium, I started to love.

[01:27:29]>> Yeah, I heard that she built an altar for him actually. She got this big old wooden icon on this marble uh altar with like red candles on each side on it adorned with roses.

[01:27:42]Man, did Lena Molina snitch on me or what?

[01:27:47]Just kidding.

[01:27:53]>> But yeah, that that was pretty much it for me. I mean, >> did you get to watch the whole debate?

[01:27:59]>> Huh?

[01:28:00]>> Did you watch the whole debate?

[01:28:01]>> Oh, yeah. I watched it all.

[01:28:03]>> You like it?

[01:28:04]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:28:05]>> Good. I mean, from the get-go when I saw what the what the topic was on uh that it was regarding Mary and I mean, you know, even though Turin fan is probably one of their better ones, I still knew, yeah, this is not going to go well.

[01:28:21]And I've always said that if you as long as you know your Bible, your marology, you know the Marian dogmas, you know how to defend them, I don't think there's a living Protestant that can can do good against a against a Catholic on this topic. as long as you know your stuff.

[01:28:36]>> Yeah, it's it's just impossible. I mean, before um kind of discovering your channel and being ignorant to even marology and first seeing everything and you laying it out in the Greek, I I thought, "Wow, I never saw that this was, you know, so obvious."

[01:28:56]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:28:57]>> Like that. So every time I see a debate on marology, um I kind of already know that um the person that's, you know, arguing in the in the negative position, Yeah. they're in a rough battle.

[01:29:11]>> Yeah.

[01:29:12]>> Yeah.

[01:29:13]>> Yeah. There's no doubt. There's no doubt. They're they're they're definitely in a in a big big big bind.

[01:29:18]>> Mhm.

[01:29:21]But yeah, uh that was it from me.

[01:29:23]>> Hey, brother. Great talking to you, man.

[01:29:25]Look forward to talking to you again, my friend.

[01:29:27]>> All right. God bless you both.

[01:29:28]>> Take care, brother. God bless you, brother.

[01:29:32]>> Hey, he was humble today, right, Ari?

[01:29:34]Humble today.

[01:29:36]>> No.

[01:29:39]>> How about you you before we forget, um, do you by any chance have the the the the beautiful image that we want to promote?

[01:29:48]>> What image?

[01:29:50]>> Come on, Kentucky. You know what I'm talking about.

[01:29:53]>> You have it in your email.

[01:29:55]Oh, >> remember I sent it to you the other day.

[01:29:57]Unless you lost it.

[01:29:59]>> No, I didn't lose it, but I thought I felt like you had it ready to to promote it. Hold on. Hold on. Okay.

[01:30:06]I almost dropped the ball. I was about to start singing, man. All right. All right.

[01:30:11]>> I wish you would have.

[01:30:14]>> No, but so James can continue adding on days like, you know, pretending like I'm singing. Man, y'all are a bunch of haters.

[01:30:21]All right, here we go.

[01:30:26]H >> sorry, I'm reading I'm reading a comment on my on my live chat and uh man, some people are funny.

[01:30:38]H >> you know what's funny is when people when people talk about you >> and then you know when you tell them oh come up and then they're like no because he's this or because he does that and I'm like boohoo crime me a freaking river.

[01:31:02]>> You get what I'm saying?

[01:31:04]>> Yeah.

[01:31:05]somebody talking but like there's everybody like that mean and all he does is silence people and all he does is mute people like find me a river >> please no I'll give you a chance to talk if you talk and as long as you don't start you know yelling and you know talking over me we'll have a good conversation here you go I got him there you go >> I don't know I just I can't deal with people like that you know I don't know how you have the patience to do that >> uh I don't Oh, been doing it for so long. Nothing really flusters me. I don't just don't don't get flustered at all. I'm used to >> The only time The only time you get flustered is when you debate terms.

[01:31:45]>> Oh, yeah. You could tell yesterday, right? I was shaking.

[01:31:47]>> Absolutely.

[01:31:49]>> I was terrified. Yeah.

[01:31:52]>> Anyways, um so yeah, guys, this is a conference as you guys can tell, a conference flyer. And um I'm on it, Dr. Carlo's on it. Enoch's on it. Gary's the incredible Gary is on that photo.

[01:32:08]Elizabeth, Eric, and um unfortunately William's head is big head is on it, too. Um look at your big head. Remember first used to be Gary with the big head. Do you remember that? That was so bad.

[01:32:25]That's Michael who made this. But >> Michael, what a hater. He made my head bigger than Gary, though. I barely realized it >> cuz remember Gary Gary's head used to be really big and then now now it's yours.

[01:32:40]>> Smile. Listen, Brona. Brona, you better watch yourself. So, you better watch.

[01:32:45]You know what, Brona? The debate challenge is still It's still um >> I love Brona.

[01:32:50]>> It's still there. Brona, remember it's still there, Brona.

[01:32:55]>> I challenged I challenged um I challenged uh what's it called? I challenged Bronco to debate.

[01:33:05]>> Oh, you did on what?

[01:33:06]>> Yeah, I did. But he he keeps running from me, you know.

[01:33:10]>> Oh, marathon runner.

[01:33:12]>> Yeah, we all we all know we all know Australians named Brona. We all know they're runners, you know. Not Australians, but just Australian Broncas, you know.

[01:33:24]>> Narrowed it down. That's making it pretty narrow.

[01:33:29]Yeah, I'm narrowing it down because I also don't want Australians to think I hate them. I don't hate Australians.

[01:33:33]>> No, I know.

[01:33:35]>> I love Australia.

[01:33:36]>> Except it's gonna be a fun conference.

[01:33:38]It's gonna be great.

[01:33:39]>> Let let the audience know what you're going to be talking about.

[01:33:42]>> Oh, so yeah, I'll be talking about my testimony. So, that'll be fun. Um, at least that's what's planned is for me to speak my testimony. Share it share the way that God has um changed my life, transformed my life. And then um I don't know what William's going to be talking about, but I'm assuming it's something Marology related cuz you know >> No, believe it or not.

[01:34:05]>> No, no, believe it or not, you're wrong.

[01:34:07]You got it wrong. Be talking about um the Sacred Heart of Jesus in um Sacred Heart of Jesus in scripture and sacred tradition. That's what I'm be talking about.

[01:34:19]>> I wonder is Gary gonna talk about the Dutch canon or what?

[01:34:23]>> I don't know. I have no idea.

[01:34:27]>> Yeah, I don't know.

[01:34:28]>> But yeah, I'm really excited for this conference. So, if anybody of you guys are down in Kentucky or you know what, maybe you're not down in Kentucky, but maybe you're nearby and you're like, you know what, I got no plans, I got no friends, I'm lonely, it's just me and my dog or me or my cat. Then, uh I suggest you guys make the trip down to Kentucky.

[01:34:48]Get your tickets cuz they're selling out pretty fast.

[01:34:52]um and join us and uh get to chill with us and hang with us. Incredible music.

[01:34:58]Incredible big heads. Look at that. Look at all these beautiful people's big heads.

[01:35:03]>> Um look at Michael's big head.

[01:35:07]Did you see >> you see Michael's big head?

[01:35:10]>> God bless. Michael is such a sweetheart though, guys.

[01:35:13]>> He's awesome.

[01:35:14]>> He really's great. But yeah, guys, definitely come down um for this conference. It's going to be a lot of fun. a lot a lot of fun. Um, and there's going to be so many people. There's going to be so many incredible speakers, musicians, artists, and and there's just going to be everything. And then also like come on guys, like Dr. Carlo's going to be there. Like that's going to be so much fun. And Gary, like >> Gary being there, like hello. Like I don't think you guys realize I'm really excited to meet Gary. I can't wait to give Gary I can't wait to give Gary the biggest hug in the entire world, >> you know, cuz Gary's a legend. Um, >> you're gonna hug his thigh.

[01:35:55]>> You're so mean.

[01:35:58]>> The guy's like the guy's like enormous, man. You got to climb a climb a ladder to, you know, to give >> you know what? No, you know, I'm not going to say it cuz you're going to make fun of me.

[01:36:09]Never mind. I probably shouldn't say it.

[01:36:10]But but um let's >> wear 10 heels. I mean I don't know.

[01:36:15]>> No, cuz here's the thing. One time, right? A a lot of um like years ago, I used to I used to be in a relationship, right? But my boyfriend at that time was very tall.

[01:36:26]>> So I had to um so I couldn't even hug him because of how tall he was. And it got to the point where I had to get up on a chair just to hug this poor guy cuz I was really short. I'm not even kidding. Gary >> maybe, but he he was pretty tall, so I was like, "Dang." But yeah, that was why.

[01:36:46]>> Yeah, there a lot of ball heads there. I don't know what James Curtis He says he wants to apologize to you. He says, "I didn't realize uh you were just playing the part of the one in doubt. Sorry, sister. Please forgive me."

[01:36:57]>> Uh I don't remember what you're talking about. I'll be honest with you.

[01:37:01]>> Oh, >> listen. I sleep well at night, not having to worry about anything. But I I forgive you, I guess. I I don't remember what what that conversation is about, but >> Ari should sing happy birthday from the church.

[01:37:15]>> This is Pentecost. We have one more day needed. By the way, now you all added like two extra days. That's not fair, James.

[01:37:21]>> No, no, no, no, no, no. Because you needed >> I really are really humming. Humming and singing. And what?

[01:37:28]>> No, you weren't humming. Okay. No, no, no. Humming. No, no. You were not humming cuz you actually had your mouth open.

[01:37:35]>> You had your mouth open. Okay. Oh my goodness. Google says that humming is a form of singing.

[01:37:41]>> It uses the same vocal cords. Gives me a break.

[01:37:46]>> Cold you.

[01:37:49]>> No. Diet Coke. Which, by the way, James, guess what? This heretic, I don't know if the Diet Coke thing is only for on streams or what, but I found out that this heretic drunk before he before he went live.

[01:38:01]>> Yes, I did. Yeah, I did. I mean, there's no secret. I I I It's just on the streams, obviously.

[01:38:07]>> Is it just on the stream, James? I think it should be permanent.

[01:38:10]>> No, of course. There's no way it can be permanent. All right. Who else do Wait a minute. We had uh we had more people back here. Were they dropped off?

[01:38:18]Audience, for those of y'all that were back here, we're about to bring you up.

[01:38:21]Come back. Or if you have any questions, come back here and let us know right over there on the right hand side. What is your faith? What is your question?

[01:38:31]And we will tackle it. And Dondarius says, let me pull it up. I think that's the one about the um the uh the Messiah one. Psalm 72:7. What happens after the moon is removed? Okay.

[01:38:47]The Greek, you're referring to the Sepigent version, I imagine. Uh let me look it up. Psalm 72.

[01:38:55]I think that's the one. Pretty positive that's the one he's referring to. Psalm 72:7.

[01:39:02]his days the righteous shall flourish and abundance of peace until the moon is no more. Yes. Um that's a great point because the Messiah, nobody's going to argue, that's a great one, Dondarius.

[01:39:16]Nobody's going to argue and thank you for the super chat for the support that the Messiah reigns only until the moon disappears and then he will stop raining. That is ridiculous. But rather quite the opposite. The point of Psalm 72:7 is that there is permanence and greatness of that rain and it will continue. And yes, it's also relevant to Matthew 1:25. He did not know until until according to Matthew 125 is marking is um it doesn't tell you what happens afterward. It's telling you what happens uh until a certain point. and other examples such as 2 Samuel 6 where Mikall had no child until the day of her death.

[01:40:02]Well, obviously she's not a zombie having children afterwards. And there's many more argu there's a lot of areas.

[01:40:08]Look, there's tons of areas where until or chaos doesn't require a reversal afterwards in the Greek. What what would require a reversal? I will tell you what will require a reversal. What would require a reversal is the context. And the context of Matthew 1:25 is the virgin birth. Period. The hater James says on streams and at conferences. That's not true. You mean on my stream? Cuz on on Cameron's channel, I had a bunch of Diet Coke there. Obviously, you mean on my stream?

[01:40:44]What do you mean at conferences? What?

[01:40:45]But I haven't I haven't sung more to where the date continues. I haven't sung more.

[01:40:51]>> Also, can we show up? Um because Bring it back up.

[01:40:54]>> Lo asked a um No, >> you wouldn't even listen to me.

[01:41:00]>> Jeez. If you stop yapping, maybe you would listen from once.

[01:41:03]>> Stop. Oops.

[01:41:05]>> Dang. I'm telling you guys, he does this all the time.

[01:41:08]>> I almost sang again. I almost sang Yeah.

[01:41:10]I caught myself there.

[01:41:12]>> Anyways, can you pull up Lena Molina's super chat that he sent on my channel? I don't know if he answered this. He probably didn't.

[01:41:19]He He asked the super chat. said, "What is the mindset of Protestants to denigrate the Blessed Virgin Mary? Do they really think it brings them closer to Christ?"

[01:41:29]>> Answered that for like nearly five minutes. Sorry.

[01:41:32]>> Oh, well, I pay attention.

[01:41:34]>> I did. I I answered that very in-depth.

[01:41:38]I don't miss any super chats. Doesn't matter where.

[01:41:40]>> It was on my channel, but that's that's what I'm saying.

[01:41:42]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:41:43]>> By the way, thank you, Lo and Brona for sending in super chats on my channel because you guys >> What did Brona say? Let me see what he said. Oh, I give it to Bronco. Just call me airy, but it's okay.

[01:41:56]>> We love >> He's a He's a freaking hater, so I'm not even surprised.

[01:41:59]>> We We We love Brona. It doesn't matter.

[01:42:02]We love him.

[01:42:02]>> Also, Brona wants to know if you will if you want to try the Vegomite.

[01:42:08]>> The Vegemite? Oh, on the air. Yes.

[01:42:10]Before I'm off. Yes. Where is he?

[01:42:12]>> He said that. He said it in my live chat.

[01:42:14]>> Oh, there I see it. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[01:42:16]Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Before we're done.

[01:42:18]Before we're done. We're gonna continue Molina. You know what I mean?

[01:42:22]>> YEAH. THE GOATED LO MOLINA AND THE TREMENDOUS BRONCA, MAN. We love him, man.

[01:42:27]>> I don't know about I don't know about Brona being tremendous, but >> he's kind of a hater for today. Keep call me airy, but that's okay.

[01:42:33]>> Oh, man. You guys, man. All right. All right. We We still have some more to look at. I want to bring something up.

[01:42:39]Before we do that, I want to make sure I don't miss any super chat. Uh, shout out to >> What which was the last one I missed?

[01:42:48]Tell me which one. Which one?

[01:42:50]>> Mine >> where we come on. I told you I could ask that. I'm I'm gonna deal with that one tomorrow. And I in fact I already made slides. I'm ready to to to I I even remember which one it was off the top of my head.

[01:43:01]>> No, you told me that you were going to do it and yada yada. See, you don't honor every super chat disappoint.

[01:43:07]>> That's not true. You're lying.

[01:43:08]>> You said you were going to do it today and you never did. So there you go.

[01:43:12]>> Do you want me to cancel the show and then do another one? Obviously, we went live. I think that's pretty clear.

[01:43:19]>> I know, but you said you were gonna You said you were gonna answer my super chat in Deb today.

[01:43:24]>> Oh, so why say today if you're not gonna do it today?

[01:43:27]>> Excuse me. We decided to go live.

[01:43:29]Forgive me.

[01:43:29]>> But you could have done it today. You could have done it. I'm not >> at what time. Oh, you want me to do it right now? I'll do it before we're done if you want. I can do it.

[01:43:37]>> Yeah, it's fine. Whatever.

[01:43:39]>> Oh, I got you. I got you. Finally. I finally got you.

[01:43:43]>> No, you didn't get me. But you just run away the hell out of me sometimes. The ecumenical council of Leon 1274 under Pope Gregory I 10th determined the repetition of the most holy name to be the easiest and most efficacious mean to save society from the many evils of their time. I love it, man. I love it, brother. I think we should all have a devotion to the most holy name, man. All of us, man. I love it, brother. God bless you, man. All right, let's look at this one here. Uh what else do we have?

[01:44:13]What else do we have?

[01:44:18]As as soon as you let them know that it bothers you. Why does airy bother you though? It sounds fine.

[01:44:26]>> Because >> cuz what?

[01:44:28]>> It makes me feel like they're calling me an airhead. I used to get called that a lot when I was younger.

[01:44:33]>> Oh.

[01:44:34]>> So it's it's it's kind of a trauma thing, but >> Oh my god. There we go. There we go.

[01:44:39]Well, call you can call me Willie. That traumatizes they used to traumatize me.

[01:44:44]But I didn't know that you you never speak about it >> because nobody calls me Willie and and I don't care. You could have a million people calling me Willie.

[01:44:53]>> I know. Okay. I know. But I know. But you do realize we're both two different people. You went through different things and I went through different things.

[01:45:01]>> So it's not fair to say, "Oh, well people call me this, so it shouldn't matter to me like either." But it's like, dude, it's like it that's not the point. You're a guy. Guys and girls take things differently. You need to realize that. Sure, sure, sure, sure. All right, let's bring this >> left.

[01:45:18]The Augustine does say that.

[01:45:19]>> Let's bring up the Augustine one. Let's bring this up. Hold on. Where are my images? Where are my images? Hold on.

[01:45:28]Where are my images? All right. Hold on.

[01:45:34]All right. Hold on. Hold on.

[01:45:38]Okay, hold on.

[01:45:48]Okay, we're going to look at August and we're going to show you audience. We are going to show you all how he was dead wrong on Augustine. Pay attention audience >> about Jesus. And he explains why how >> and I would challenge you. I would challenge you to quote that. Augustine says that Christ is a fool. I would challenge you to quote that. I challenge you to do that. So, we're going to look at what Augustine actually says on Psalm 69. And uh we're going to look at that and I'll also get your thoughts in this.

[01:46:18]Sorry. We're going to look at what Augustine says in Psalm 69 because his claim his claim is that Augustine is saying Jesus Christ was literally sinful on the cross and literally a fool was his particular argument. See what Augustine really does say.

[01:46:39]Psalm 68 in subgrant also includes in its title the words for all for the things that will be entirely changed.

[01:46:49]The psalm sings of the passion of our Lord Jesus Christ assuming to himself even certain words of his members not all of them certain words that is of the faithful for he himself did not have any sin. So much for that turret then claiming he actually became sinful on the cross. That's why I challenged him to read what Augustine actually said.

[01:47:18]He's wrong. He is wrong.

[01:47:21]He says it right here. For he himself did not have any sin, but he carried our sins. Thus the psalm says, "And my offenses are not hidden from you." Here is written and foretold what we read in the gospel as having happened and they gave me g for my food and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink in him therefore the old events have been changed that the title of the psalm predicted were to be changed. Uh correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see anything here Augustine accusing Jesus of being a sinner or him accusing him of being a fool. What do you think?

[01:48:05]>> Oh, um, yeah, I don't see it either. And also, I think that's bizarre to accuse our Lord of >> Yeah.

[01:48:12]>> being a sinner.

[01:48:13]>> Calvin did.

[01:48:13]>> That to me that that to me is like the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

[01:48:18]>> Blasphemy.

[01:48:19]>> And that's so disrespectful.

[01:48:21]>> What What is his And I guess I should have asked this. What is Turton fans like denomination or if he has one? He's a Calvinist.

[01:48:31]>> That's what Calvinists believe.

[01:48:33]>> Yeah. Sorry. That's why he's arguing that he's a Calvinist.

[01:48:36]>> What the hell?

[01:48:37]>> That's exactly what they believe.

[01:48:39]>> The stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life.

[01:48:42]>> Yeah, he's a Calvinist.

[01:48:44]>> Is that what you believed when you when you were Calvinist or?

[01:48:48]>> Yeah, ultimately I believed. I would read uh 2 Corinthians 5:21 in a Calvinist manner. Uh, and I would say that I would read it to him becoming actual actually sinful while he was on the cross because he he took our sins upon himself. Uh, I would argue that they the way they argue that Christ is punished in our place. Uh, that's that's classic classical classical penal substitution. And I would have read Isaiah 53 in a in a brutal manner. I mean, that's that's what they do.

[01:49:18]They're they're they're even though they will ultimately deny it, they are accusing Christ of being sinful at that moment because he took upon himself all of our sins. But that's ridiculous. It's really really bad. Uh and that really does highlight and it really does highlight their the problematic their problematic theology is terrible. It's awful.

[01:49:43]>> That is that is bizarre.

[01:49:48]Is that >> truly truly that that's insane?

[01:49:52]>> I mean, and I and I thought people saying that Mary was I thought people I thought Protestants were bad enough when they accused Mother Mary of being sin sinful. Like, imagine accusing Jesus of being sinful. That right there is that right there just blows my mind.

[01:50:11]>> I mean, I I think it's pretty much disgusting heresy, right?

[01:50:16]>> Absolutely.

[01:50:17]Yeah. But but now you see why I challenged him on this particular text.

[01:50:23]Him him claiming trying to make the claim that Augustine taught this. I mean, look, we've got it right here. Augustine's very clear. He tells you right here, for he himself did not have any sin, but he carried our sins. So, no, he's not reading Psalm 68:69 and saying Jesus was a foolish sinner.

[01:50:48]He's wrong. Augustine is not providing that reading there. And I looked at the multiple interpretations of his in Psalm 68. There's another one right here.

[01:50:57]Another one right here. So, this is really these are terrible arguments.

[01:51:02]These are really, really bad. Adam, however, committed no sin. When he reached out his hand to the tree to pick the forbidden fruit, he presumptuously deceived himself that he could seize the name of divinity that cannot be shared with or given to anyone except one who is God. Divinity was conferred on the son of God by nature, not by robbery. So you could read the whole thing. Every time he brings up Psalm 68:69, not a once does Augustine ever, ever believe Christ is a sinner. It's ridiculous.

[01:51:34]Ridiculous.

[01:51:39]Yeah, it is, man. These people.

[01:51:43]>> Yeah. No, it's >> I don't know what's worse, >> Calvinism or I don't know what's worse, Calvinism or black Hebrew Israelites, man.

[01:51:53]>> Wow.

[01:51:54]>> I mean, they're both awful. That's what I'm saying. Cuz think about it. One idiot one one idiotic group accuses Jesus of not being the most high and then the other one accuses Jesus of being a freaking sinner. Like man I mean >> uh he got me there.

[01:52:15]>> What do you think is worse? CALVINISM OR BLACK?

[01:52:17]>> NO don't don't don't put me in the spot.

[01:52:21]Don't do that. Um what do I think is is worse? Um, >> I think Calvinism, and listen, and I I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think Calvinism might be worse.

[01:52:36]>> I'm going to say the black Hebrews are like because I'll tell you why I'm going to say that. Um, because uh because Calvinism will still uh affirm the Trinity. That's why that's why I'll say the black Hebra Israelite and because the black Hebrew Israelite ultimately I mean they're both really bad but the black Hebra Israelite um movement will ultimately um also you know be exposed as as being very racist. So yeah that that that's why I would say probably the black keys or light movement is worse. But I mean they're pretty bad no matter where you look you know.

[01:53:16]>> Yeah.

[01:53:18]Let's see.

[01:53:19]>> It's pretty bad right? Yep, they both are. I don't know if people can get around it.

[01:53:25]>> Yeah, I I guess the other thing that surprises me more than anything else, Ari, is how how you can find people that even embrace the uh the black Hebrew Israelite movement or even Calvinism. I mean, even Calvinism. You don't have any friends that are Calvinists?

[01:53:38]>> No.

[01:53:39]>> Really?

[01:53:40]>> Thank God.

[01:53:41]>> No, >> the people that I used to hang out with were mainly like just woke, you know.

[01:53:49]It's probably one of probably the same idiots that would probably um would think that God is a female or something, you know.

[01:53:56]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:53:57]>> That was kind of the extremist groups that I would hang out with.

[01:54:01]>> Ah, gotcha. Gotcha. Luckily, I never believed that God was a female, but >> still.

[01:54:06]>> But I mean, the one thing that is good about the fact that you, you know, you were in with all those groups is you you have a special ability to respond to um to what they believed and to rebut what they believed. I mean, you have that you have that special ability. So, I'd say that that was a great blessing that you spent time in those movements.

[01:54:26]>> Yeah. I think that um I think that me um me hanging out with certain people, it really did um change me in a in a very different way because you do YouTube with the people that I hung out with, I did learn a lot and I did like that also helps me and when I'm trying to evangelize or just talk to people in general.

[01:54:48]>> Yeah. you know. Um, so I mean there there just so many like keep in mind like you're talking to somebody who was pro-choice who really really was really heavy on that.

[01:55:01]>> Um you're talking about somebody who affirmed um samesex attraction and >> how did you I'm just curious how did you square that with the Bible or or were you not at the time uh believing in the Bible?

[01:55:14]>> Oh no I I didn't really care for the Bible to be honest.

[01:55:17]>> Okay, I got you.

[01:55:18]>> Yeah. So, at the time you didn't really care for it. Okay. Okay.

[01:55:21]>> It was more from a secular perspective >> if I'm being honest with you.

[01:55:25]>> Okay.

[01:55:26]>> Um, yeah. And same thing with like samesex attraction and all that. So, same sex attraction, I was able to kind of square that with the Bible just because I was say, well, the Bible doesn't explicitly say that like that um that we're going to go to hell or whatever, you know. So, >> yeah. um you know so that that to me was at that time was fairly easy for me to argue but but the thing is is like even now like I look back at those arguments that I've heard and it's like if somebody were to present those arguments I would know how to refute those arguments because it's it's not >> it's not something that um that works and also not only just doing that from a from a Catholic perspective but also doing that from a non on from a non-religious perspective as well because I think that like you can go at it from a religious perspective, but nine times out of 10 the people the people that you're speaking with are not religious, you know, and a lot of times maybe they do affirm a god, but you don't know what kind of god they necessarily affirm.

[01:56:33]>> This is a great question for you, Ari.

[01:56:34]And by the way, uh Ralph, God bless you, brother. How you been, Ralph? Glad to see you back, brother. Thank you for the support. Ari, what changed your mind belief? What brought what brought you back to Jesus? Is there something that there was something in particular that you can think of that was um maybe a turning point or turning points?

[01:56:54]>> Um it was actually it was actually at the age of 15 that I um that was when I had my very first encounter with the Lord. It was at a >> it was at a Spanish prayer group and um my church is very charismatic. So we we believe a lot in like the um the gifts of the Holy Spirit, you know, in terms of um prophecy and um gift of tongues and whatnot. And so um it was actually at a prayer retreat that I not at a prayer at the prayer group where um we were doing intense prayer. I think it was the first time and um it was during that prayer where where I I just it was more of an emotional experience.

[01:57:36]>> Yeah. And honestly, and I and I liked it because I think that um God had to reach me through an emotional experience for me to for for my curiosity to kind of peak, you know. Um so I think it was definitely that. But to be but to be really really fair, I would say what really did help was actually learning what it is that the church taught because I really did believe like with me with it with this mentality that I was in with me struggling with my sexuality. I think what really surprised me was because I heard so many people's like especially with the group that I hung out with, they was like, "Christians are really bad people because they hate us. They condemn us and they want us to go to hell." You know, they they condemn us and you know, they're like they're they're trying to ruin what what we were born to be. And you know, cuz I really thought I was born that way. I really thought I was born a bisexual woman. And then turns out that when when I started reading the when I started reading the Bible, you know, when I had that emotional experience, I started reading the Bible and when I started reading it, I was like, "Wait a minute. Where where's the scripture where it says that God hates me?"

[01:58:42]>> Yeah.

[01:58:42]>> You know, I was like, "Where's the scripture that says that that all that I'm going to go to hell because I'm because I'm a bisexual woman or because of this and that." And the thing about it is it's like it's it's also here's the thing. when you go through that. I think it was what what was a really I'll be honest with you, the one book that made me really angry was the book of Genesis because it talks about when a man leaves his when a man leaves his um father and mother, >> you know, to become one with with his wife. That angered me a lot because obviously, you know, as a bisexual woman, like you're kind of like, what the hell? Like, >> yeah, >> what about me? And at one point I was wanted to throw it away. But when I started reading a little bit more, like it just it it it slowly I slowly started to soften and to really think and I was like maybe maybe I'm not um maybe this Christianity thing isn't so bad as people made it seem.

[01:59:40]>> Yeah.

[01:59:40]>> You know, maybe there's something here.

[01:59:41]Maybe I don't I wish I didn't I think that was the hardest thing for me to like that was the hardest thing I think for me to accept was that um was that if I were to give my life fully to Christ that I cannot be living the way that I was living.

[02:00:00]>> Makes sense.

[02:00:01]>> That was that was very very hard for me to do. But, you know, but and and it was hard because it cuz I remember there were so many times where I would fight with the Lord on that. I'll be like, "But why why can't I not be with a woman? Like, I don't even like a man.

[02:00:17]Look at all the way that these men have treated me in my life. So, why in the world would I would I want to be with a man?" you know, but but when you you know, and obviously it took therapy and it took um and it took several years for me to be able to >> to heal from that. And to be honest, once I once I found out what was the root of everything and I was able to slowly work through these certain traumas that I went through, that made me really um that that really that made me really believe that that I could no longer be with the man. Once I was able to completely break that, then I was able to to to let it go. Then I was able to kind of free myself from that.

[02:00:59]>> Praise God.

[02:01:01]>> Yeah. So, and and it's kind of weird that I'm talking about it because I like I've spoken about it before on my channel, but like I don't think I've ever spoken about it like on another um >> Yeah.

[02:01:11]>> First time I ever spoken about it.

[02:01:13]That's why I'm very very passionate when it comes to the things that I do. I'm very passionate about reaching the LGBT community. Very passionate about reaching people who were in the same boat that I was in.

[02:01:24]>> Yeah.

[02:01:25]>> You know, because because nine times out of 10, we don't know any better.

[02:01:28]>> Sure. Sure. Yeah. People need help. They need somebody to reach out to them. Liz.

[02:01:32]Liz. Uh, shout out Liz, thank you for the support. I came back from my walk and Calvinism confuses me even more. It should, Liz. It should confuse you even more. uh because there are different forms of Calvinism, but no matter where you look, uh you know, it's bad either which way. You know, denying that we have free willist is is terrible. You know, it's terrible to deny we have free will. And their view of Christologology is so bad. And their view of marology is horrible. This is terrible all the way around. I don't blame you. I don't blame you at all, Liz. Um Yeah. I mean, it's pretty bad.

[02:02:13]Oh, okay. Clarify. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[02:02:16]Go for it.

[02:02:16]>> No, no, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go.

[02:02:18]>> James T. Thank you, brother. Thank you for the super chat. I meant Pope Blessed Gregory the 10th. I meant in my last super chat, we should listen to the council and utter the most holy name against all of the evils of our time. A thousand%. So, it was a 10th. It wasn't.

[02:02:34]It was a 10th. Wait a minute. Pope Blessed. Okay. Yeah, you did say the 10th. Pope Blessed. So, he's a blessed then. Okay. So, he does have a cultist surrounding him, James. Okay. All right.

[02:02:46]Go ahead, Ari. You going to say something?

[02:02:48]>> Yeah, I was going to say that I'm actually working on something where um I'm going to be I'm going to be doing probably going to be two different shows probably. So, I'm going to do one on um what it like is feminism in terms of um in in terms of Catholic teachings, structured in Catholic teachings. Um, so I'll probably what I'll probably do is I'm going to be bringing in another female. I'm not going to say who. Um, but I have someone in mind where we're probably going to talk about what it means to be a woman >> truly and what it is to embrace womanhood like and not like in a secular perspective, but really focusing on because here's the thing. There are a lot of people that um especially women that are convinced that Christianity does not appreciate women or does not love women or that maybe just makes women seem weak. But I want to prove that differently. Like I want to show like no actually being a woman being a Christian woman is so it's it's so like I I want to point out like just like the role of a woman especially in Christianity especially in terms of the Bible you know because for some reason I see a lot of people saying that like >> will it bear with a wig?

[02:04:12]>> I hope not man.

[02:04:14]I cannot with you guys. But but you get what I'm saying? like like I I really want to talk about I really want to talk about that talk about um you know whether the Bible really does um make women seem soft and weak or whether there's a completely different perspective on I think it'll be really interesting >> and um >> cuz I think yeah cuz I I think a lot of people are pressed about the fact that women can't be praised but like >> which is kind of dumb and also um I'm going to do an episode on Oh, they can't be priests. My bad. I missed I heard you wrong. I thought you said women can't be praised. You said priests. I got you. I got you.

[02:04:52]>> Priest. Yeah. Because a lot of people think that because a lot of people think that women's roles are diminished in Christianity >> and that's not true because people don't realize there's there were women like not only just their blessed mother or Mary Magdalene, Deborah, Esther, like so many incredible women.

[02:05:10]>> And um so it's just it's >> you know it's something that I really want to highlight. And I'm also going to do an episode on more focusing on the LGBT community. You know, how can you support somebody who is part of this community or what about if you're somebody that struggles that is that is struggling with samesex attraction? Like what are some things that you can do practical advice that you actually can do? What is it that worked for me that I could possibly share with other people? How do you support somebody? How do you com how do you how do you work on evangelizing and reaching them? You know, because I mean, everybody thinks that just by telling them they're going to go to hell, like people think like that. For some reason, people seem to think that that's the way or telling them that they're disgusting and and >> probably the worst. That's probably the worst. That was probably the worst.

[02:05:59]>> No. And and you know what's really bad is that I faced a lot of that by Christians themselves.

[02:06:06]>> Yeah.

[02:06:06]>> So So you would think that you would expect that from secular people. No, I used to like especially from the from the me being a part of this community, my friends and I, we would experience a lot of that from Christians themselves where we were where we were told that we were going to go to hell. We were told that God doesn't love us. We were told that we we needed to die and that the lifestyle that we were living was disgusting and that um and that we were the worst people ever and that you know that we needed to repent or or were damned forever. And so it's just it was this disgusting things that um disgusting things that not just myself but many others face through that time you know and coming from actual Christians Catholics >> Catholics non-denominationals you know etc like any Christians that you can think of they those were the people that were doing it. So, um but yeah, so those are topics that I'm going to hopefully start focusing more on and um start, you know, just doing that cuz I think it's I think it I think that we need to Here's the thing, especially when it comes to the LGBT community, and I hope people understand why I'm saying this.

[02:07:23]I think people tend to soften it or they tend to sugarcoat it when talking about it. they're not actually honest about what the church actually teaches. They start to affirm it or they think that because it's so normalized in our society, all the the way to support them is to affirm to affirm it or pretend it's not happening.

[02:07:45]>> That's not good.

[02:07:45]>> And and we're not even called to do that. So, um so that I don't know, it's just it's a very strong topic. I mean, these are these are many many topics that I um many topics that I have planned to hopefully be able to talk about and be able to to share and be able to um to help people to to help people, you know, struggling or or just to just to reach them, you know, and this is coming from somebody who again lived that lifestyle >> does a very good noble noble things. And of course, as you know, I'm going to be bringing you on as well in radio to talk about this. That'll be a ton of fun. A ton of fun.

[02:08:25]>> Yeah. And we're doing it in the worst I think we're I would say the worst month, but it's not even the worst month.

[02:08:30]>> We're going to be doing it in in in the month of when we least expect to do it in >> Oh, it's going to be a great month.

[02:08:37]It'll be >> I mean, cuz keep in mind, we're we're doing it on the very on the on the very beginning of um of this of the supposed Pride Month. So that'll be man that will be >> let's tackle this here. According to the mystics both St. Michael and Gabriel held the inant Jesus at the nativity site. Why wasn't s St. Raphael doing the saint St. Francis baby toe? That's a tremendous question. I'm going to tell you what the mystics say and the medieval theologians and it's going to blow you away and it's a little bit of a spoiler for tomorrow's show that I'm going to be doing. Uh, a little bit of a spoiler. Tomorrow we'll go even deeper.

[02:09:18]But what people attribute to St. Raphael is he's connected with the flight into Egypt because he is known as uh one that uh is a great saint for healing, for pilgrimage and even guidance. So yes, he does not have strong connection to the actual birth scene. But h here's something maybe Ari doesn't even know.

[02:09:46]He is strongly connected with the flight into Egypt. I don't know if Ari loves uh St. Raphael. I know she loves St. Michael. But I think tomorrow after you all see the show we're going to do tomorrow evening, you're going to gain a deeper love for St. Raphael, a very deeper love because he's heavily associated with that. Many devotional writers uh believe. Now here's another thing. This may come later. Figures like St. Bernard. Um, and there's another one whose name escapes me. Uh, if I am correct, what's his name? What's his name? He taught the immaculate conception very clearly.

[02:10:22]Uh, his name's going to escape me at the moment. He says, >> "No, no, no. He's later. He's later."

[02:10:30]>> Mahavas, >> he teaches this other writer as well.

[02:10:35]Uh, St. Bernard, I forget the name of this other writer. I don't remember his name. Let me see if I can uh briefly look it up. Uh >> Luther, >> so this guy uh so uh St. Bernard and I will tell you who it is just momentarily. How can I forget his name?

[02:10:57]But anyway, they teach that they teach that Raphael was there at the enunciation, but he was unseen. That is what they teach. And you, it's St. Bernard. And I'm going to tell you who it was in just a moment. I'm looking at names. How can I forget? He's a significant figure. Uh, Immer, how can I forget? Idm of Canterbury. So, Idmar of Canterbury in the 1100s and St. Bernard.

[02:11:24]How could I have forgotten Idmar? Idmmer teaches that. Uh, so that's that's a worthy belief. But you find more teaching that he is strongly connected with a flight into Egypt. So that by the way, I don't miss any super chats. It's a great one. And Ari says, "Well, no, you do miss super chats." No, I don't.

[02:11:42]And in fact, because she accused me of missing super chats because she accused me. We're going to go into this right now. We're going to go into Michael right now because she accused me. We're gonna go.

[02:11:57]>> Do you remember what my super chat was?

[02:11:59]Ari, I made I made slides in it. How can I not remember? I mean, you clearly see me bringing the super chats up. It was about whether or not Michael was the most powerful one. Of course, I remember.

[02:12:07]>> Yeah. Most powerful out of um >> Yeah. I mean, obviously I mean I made slides of it. I'm bringing them up. I mean, obviously, >> you never know cuz you know, >> how could I be bringing the slides up if I didn't remember? How could I be bringing them up, man?

[02:12:23]>> I don't know. I mean, you you forget everything.

[02:12:26]>> I have a whole list of things that you forget. I believe it. That's pretty wild that you'd actually have. That's pretty That's That's creepy. Wow.

[02:12:34]>> Listen listen. All All we all need to remember today after today's stream, >> all we need to know and remember is that Notorious >> Oh my god.

[02:12:41]>> believed in the immaculate conception.

[02:12:44]>> That's all we need to do.

[02:12:45]>> He did. No, he did. And I'm glad you keep bringing that up. He did. There's no doubt about that. I mean, >> Debbie Notorious, you know, >> and and uh that's a rare text. That's a hard text to find, but he most definitely did. Okay, let's go over this. Um, uh, I'm glad I didn't start singing. So, yes. So, my answer was probably rush because I was finishing up on the air, but yes, St. Michael is the greatest among the angels in power, in authority, and in spiritual warfare. So, I made a few slides right after that in that same day. Let's go over them. Michael leads the heavenly armies. The clearest text is Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. Revelation 12:7. Here Michael is not merely an angel fighting.

[02:13:32]He's presented as the leader of the heavenly hosts against Satan. So the dragon, the devil, wages war. St. Michael commands heaven's armies. That is why Christian tradition calls him the prince of the heavenly host. So yes, he is the most powerful. And I don't know why one of my images didn't load. Hold on. I made multiple images. One of them didn't load.

[02:13:56]Daniel presents St. Michael as the great prince in Daniel 12:1. At that time shall arise Michael the great prince who has charged of your people. So Michael is called the great prince. Here Daniel 10 likewise depicts spiritual conflict among angelic powers and Michael arrives as the heavenly champion aiding the people of God. So the fathers often saw this as showing Michael's exalted authority among angels. And then here is I also made this sorry so it can be even clearer here. William never misses a super tradition places him at decisive moments of salvation history. Christian tradition often connects St. Michael with protection of Israel. That's correct. Defense of the church, guidance of souls and the protection of Israel is in the Old Testament in Daniel, combat against demons, assistance at death and final conflict imagery. Eastern and Western traditions both give St. Michael extraordinary prominence. But one thing I also didn't forget to put, one thing that I could not forget is we've got to point out, we have to make it very clear. Michael is tremendous. We love him dearly. We love him dearly. But Michael is the mightiest among the angels in warfare and guardianship. But Mary is above the angels by grace. And that's a great point that Ari brought up. As Ari said, I'm sick of people saying that women do not have an important role. Sick of it. Uh women have a very important role in the Bible.

[02:15:36]Indeed, Mary is above the angels by grace. Christ infinitely surpasses all creation. He is the captain creator of creation. So yes, there you go. I laid out this little chart there. Michael's greatness, St. Michael's greatness is real. Yet his glorious to serve the king and honor the queen. As we can see in Revelation 12, that is why the ancient prayer says, "St. Michael the archangel, defend us in battle, invoking the heavenly champion against the powers of darkness." So yes, there it is. He is the greatest in terms of power. Sorry, >> I knew it. So W Michael, there you go.

[02:16:16]>> Yeah, you so you rightly Is that correct me? I'm wrong. I'm trying to look. That is him right in the background like behind uh in your image. I love that.

[02:16:25]>> Yep. The patron in my podcast.

[02:16:28]>> That's tremendous.

[02:16:30]>> Yeah, we have >> Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

[02:16:33]>> No, no, sorry. Sorry. What was Liz's super chat?

[02:16:36]>> Yeah. Yeah, it's uh Ari, I also deal with Oh, SSA, so I can relate in your experience. Have you heard of Courage International?

[02:16:44]>> I have not, Liz. I have not.

[02:16:47]>> Liz, maybe if you can tell us what is that and God bless you, Liz. Thank you for your support. And St. Francis Baby, tremendous point. The Holy Spirit unites, sin divides, Protestants keep dividing and not uniting. And that was a point I brought up yesterday. And we're about to go backstage, audience, don't worry. That was a point we I brought up yesterday. I brought that point up when I said that Protestants keep moving further and further away from the apostolic faith. And Turin fans said, "Well, it's not like we sit down and we say we're going to abandon these teachings." No, but that's ultimately what happens. If modern-day Protestantism doesn't even resemble the faith of their fathers, it doesn't even resemble it. Well, how can it even resemble that of apostolic Christianity which the reformers began to abandon?

[02:17:37]Why would anyone anybody want to be Protestant? St. Francis baby toe. Why would anyone want to be Protestant if even the reformers believed Mary remained perpetual virgin? I brought it up and he had no answer yesterday when I brought up his own namesake.

[02:17:55]his own namesake got brought up and there was no answer when I said I pointed out even the real turret believed this and I pointed out even the reformers agreed St. Franc's baby toe.

[02:18:08]Luther affirmed it. Calvin affirmed it.

[02:18:10]Zingley affirmed it. And the guy's a Calvinist. Turin is a Calvinist who honors Francis Turin, his very namesake.

[02:18:18]And they all believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary.

[02:18:22]Heck, they even believed in the immaculate conception and they even believed in the assumption. Many of the early reformers and here you are telling me that you all unite with solos scriptor St. Francis baby toe. They continue to divide by moving further and further away from the apostolic faith.

[02:18:41]It's a mess. Think we have brother Daniel. Is that Daniel?

[02:18:49]Daniel, how you doing, brother? I barely saw you. William, how are you?

[02:18:52]>> I'm doing well, brother. How about you, my friend?

[02:18:54]>> Good, good. I'm not here for Ari this time.

[02:18:57]>> Oh, no. My goodness. Here for me.

[02:18:59]>> No, but William, fantastic debate. Truly good job. the turret the bringing up Francis Turretton was just was just the highlight and then you had the slides and everything >> but now William here's the thing right >> it made me think a lot so Psalm 6889 says I am a foreigner to my own family a stranger to my own mother's children and then there's a semicolon for zeal for your house consumes me and the insults of those who insult you fall on me so it's it's separated by a semicolon right >> yep So uh now he said that since the second part of the sentence is quoted in John directly reflecting Jesus >> Mhm.

[02:19:44]>> then the first part should reflect Jesus and he's using that logic.

[02:19:48]>> Right.

[02:19:49]>> Right. Now here's where where it's a double-edged sword. Okay.

[02:19:53]>> If I go to Isaiah 48:16 let me put it up for you.

[02:19:59]>> Huh?

[02:20:01]Isaiah 48:16.

[02:20:04]>> So I this is my favorite one on the Trinity when I want to prove the Trinity on the Old Testament. Okay.

[02:20:10]>> If I say that it's a different subject in the first sentence than the second sentence, then I risk losing the trinity on the Old Testament because in Isa in Isaiah it says from the time that it was Verami which is which is uh which is God, right? Y >> and which is Jesus. And now and now the Lord God and his spirit has sent me. So what the black Hebrew Israel is going to say is that the first part of the sentence is truly about the about God.

[02:20:42]The second part is about Isaiah.

[02:20:44]>> So it's going to backfire on me if I change the subject there. So how do I solve this?

[02:20:50]>> Yeah. So what you can do is the primary thing that I always do is what is being actually quoted. So look at what is actually being quoted and applied to Christ in Isaiah. That is the way that you can say okay this particular portion is being taken as a typological fulfillment. Maybe not the whole verse but this particular portion is being taken as a typological fulfillment. That is the same thing we do in Psalm 69. In fact, as you go through the whole thing, there's a lot of it applied to Christ and then a lot of it that isn't. In fact, that exact verse right there, Psalm 69:5, oh God, you know my folly, my sins are not hidden from you, none of that, none of that is in reference to Christ. In fact, Turin fan was wrong. He said, "Well, Augustine is applying the folly and the sins to Christ." No, he's not.

[02:21:51]We brought it up earlier. He was wrong.

[02:21:53]He's applying that to the members. He's applying that to the members, not applying that verse to Christ at all.

[02:22:00]And the other issue is this. There are certain areas here where a piece of it may be applied as a christoologgical fulfillment. Like zeal for your house has consumed me. that's connected to the temple zeal and our Lord cleansing the temple. But the thing is this, the Psalms and even Isaiah have multiple layers of theology. What is actually being applied to Jesus? That's what we need to look at. There are certain areas where without a doubt in the Psalms, it's about a dividic suffering. Davidic suffering sometimes is applied to Christ. It's not always applied to Christ.

[02:22:34]>> Yeah. So, William, yes. So, so now the question is in the Psalms, when do you know when it's talking about uh the the psalmist and when do you know when it's talking about Jesus? And you're going to go through this. Is it easier for me to say that the mother in this verse is Jerusalem?

[02:22:52]And then get and it's easier for me to say, but then they're going to say that, oh, it's conveniently now Jerusalem. And when you say the woman and the mother and and all the others, you say it's Virgin Mary, so pick your poison. So then I'll lose again.

[02:23:07]>> Yeah. So let me tell you, let me tell you when you can know. Um you can often tell by asking, does the New Testament explicitly apply this to Jesus? So where is the New Testament quoting Psalm 69 about Jesus? That's your clearest indicator. And you don't lose because we can apply it to Jerusalem because of the context. So mother there is not going to be literal mother because look at the context of Psalm 69. Zeal for your house very often it's talking about the temple. So when we look at it when we lay it out in fact let me do it right here. Let me open up the verse because I'm going I'm going off the top of my head. When we actually lay it out and we see okay zeal for your house zeal for your house that's consumed me. When we look at this and we see what the context is. They gave me golfer food and my thirst they gave me vinegar. When we see what the context is and we see what's being applied to Christ, that is when it becomes very clear when there is particular ambiguity and when we say okay well that's never applied to Jesus. So how do we look at that? That becomes important because remember zeal for your house is consuming. What is that about? That's temple zeal. Our lord cleansing the temple. And then you go you go downward downward Psalm 69:8. I have become a stranger to my brothers. Okay, literally to David. How does that apply to David? Well, that can uh reflect David's suffering, even the rejection of his people. But then we look at the broader picture there. What else is Psalm 69 about? It's not only about zeal for the temple or Jerusalem. It's also about this. It's also about uh persecution. So if you stop and think that it's also about persecution, well, if you want to try and apply that to Christ and say, well, that mother and the brothers um how would that then fit in the broader picture? Well, you can look at that and say that fits perfectly with Jerusalem because his kins people, his kins people and Jerusalem, mother Jerusalem do reject him. And that's the way blessed the otter of Cyrus interpreted that because he said look this is not applied to Christ in John.

[02:25:30]It's never quoted and applied to Christ.

[02:25:32]But if we read all of this and we do apply it, this is how it would be applied. It wouldn't be applied in terms of dealing with a literal biological mother and siblings from the same mother.

[02:25:45]>> Got it. And would you use the word Zenosh to prove that? I had not thought of that till you brought that up, but that's a great example. That's an even better one. I will confess that I had not thought of that till you laid that out to me. I saw your message. That is a really really good point. I think that that adds to the theological point >> because Zenos cannot be used on brothers. It's normally used on uh on on countries. So when you say you're an alien, it's to a country, not to your brothers.

[02:26:13]>> Thousand%. That's >> and it's the word is foreigner. So it's even it's even more. Uh so then so then >> that that that really does get that that that really does get to the issue as to why no father ever no father or reformer ever saw those verses as applying to Mary and and saying well these these brothers are siblings of Mary. That's a great point you brought up there.

[02:26:38]>> Okay. So then conclusion would you separate uh the first part being to David, the second part being to Jesus or would you say the mother Jerusalem if you had to pick?

[02:26:49]>> If I had to pick uh so you mean if I had to pick um to go with a reading of the mother being Jerusalem? I mean I'm fine either which way. Uh if we take the reading as being Jerusalem in that particular spiritual kind of reading, I'm fine either which way. You know what really does concern me is this is the reading of the mother and the reading of the brothers ever applied in a christoologgical manner and quoted in the New Testament. I see that it never is. Uh by virtue of it never being applied to Christ, u that to me is enough. But even if one wants to take that whole verse, I'm fine with seeing that as being referring to Jerusalem.

[02:27:31]Either which way. No, no matter what, it doesn't mean it doesn't then entail that Mary had any other any other children.

[02:27:39]It simply just doesn't entail at all.

[02:27:41]And we add that wrinkle that you added to that and I think that it's a knockout. It's great.

[02:27:46]>> William, you're a genius. Thank you. And >> phenomenal, brother. God bless you, brother.

[02:27:50]>> Ari, I did say hi. And my if I >> I already heard you say Williams. I was like, what the heck? I was like, what did I do?

[02:27:57]>> No, you said hi.

[02:27:58]>> I did.

[02:27:59]>> I was about to cry. I was like, man, I was like, Daniel doesn't like me anymore or what? I was like, I thought we were brother and sister, you know, cuz I only heard it I only heard you say hi to William and I was like, what am I chop liver?

[02:28:12]>> Yeah. No, I did say hi, Ari, but you can you can rewind and check, but thank you, William. I won't take your time.

[02:28:18]>> God bless you, brother. I'll talk to you.

[02:28:20]>> God bless you.

[02:28:21]>> Goodbye. Take it easy, brother. Thank you so much, brother. Please read the flame of love. Hail Mary, Father Jim Blount. Father Jim Blunt powerful my dearly beloved brothers and sisters in Christ a Maria is God bless you brother Francis Maring I'll definitely look into that I have not seen that I haven't seen that uh we still got at least half an hour more so we we'll we'll continue St. presses baby toe. When is PSA created?

[02:28:50]That's a great one. And this will this is what I was telling Ari about. PSA means penal substitutionary atonement.

[02:28:58]So the way that Calvin and later reformers believed it with the By the way, Ari is going to hear this and Ari's going to be horrified.

[02:29:09]Let me tell you what it is. Ari, well, let me ask Ari first. Ari, do you know what what the Calvinist penal uh substitutionary atonement means?

[02:29:23]I can't hear. Are you able to hear me?

[02:29:27]Did we get the Streamyard bug?

[02:29:31]Huh? I can't hear Ari at all.

[02:29:36]Weird. Anyway, let's break it down.

[02:29:38]Let's break it down.

[02:29:41]What the penal substitutionary atonement teaches in the Calvinistic view is that the father punishes Christ punishes him with wrath reigns wrath down on him with the exact penalty due to sinners that divine wrath is poured out on him. It's a really damnable view. It really is damnable. When did that grit created brother St. Francis baby to um not from St. handsome and not from any of the fathers. I'll tell you that.

[02:30:13]Really? Really? I'm going to say it's even before Calvin. I'm going to say Calvin developed it in the deepest level, but I'm going to say that Luther developed it before Calvin. Luther leaned heavily towards developing that system. And then Calvin would would say that Christ is the curse bearer. that the satisfaction of the wrath that the father wanted to crush him wanted to crush the son is what Calvin would then later lay out which is very it's damnable St. has his baby toe. It's horrible, brother. So, we say Luther, then Calvin, I don't want to say the word perfected because it's a damnable system. THE LEGEND BRONCOS SAYS, "WILL, WE'LL DO THE VEGOMITE TOGETHER. So maybe on your next stream when I can call in tomorrow, brother, I'm going to go late tomorrow, too. Tomorrow evening, we're doing a whole show on the tremendous St. Raphael." A whole show on the amazing St. Raphael and Faithful. I think you all are going to be blown away by the show we're going to do in St. Raphael.

[02:31:16]So, Brona, you have you have a chance to connect tomorrow, brother. That is going to be tremendous, brother. How you doing tonight, faithful? God bless all of y'all. What happened with did Ari lose internet completely?

[02:31:31]Let me see.

[02:31:33]Maybe she lost power.

[02:31:43]I think she lost power.

[02:31:48]That's weird. Hopefully she comes back.

[02:31:51]In the meantime, the tremendous St. Francis Baby is asking what a tremendous question too. This is a great one. The question is, St. Thomas Aquinas made Aristotle Catholic. Did any early church father do the same with Plato? Yes, St. Justin the Martyr loved Plato. St. Justin the mortar truly love Plato and by the way St. Francis baby toad thank you for your support brother and all of you all thank you so much for your support we wouldn't be here able to do what we're doing that includes de debate prepping debating writing teaching the faith we wouldn't be able to do it without your support we are incredibly grateful faithful St. Justin the martyr was incredibly favorable to Plato.

[02:32:33]He argued that tremendous philosophers like Plato, they had the seeds of the logos. In fact, the Greek the Greek he uses is logos spermaticos is the Greek he uses. Meaning that any truth found in Plato ultimately belongs to Jesus. Any truth found in Plato would ultimately belong to Christ. I'll tell you who else loved Plato. the great St. Clement of Alexandria. I brought him up yesterday in the debate. He loved Greek philosophy. Um, he was a school master, a legend on philosophy. He loved philosophy. Uh, so he's also a pro Plato father. Hey, what happened? You lost power.

[02:33:18]>> Yeah. Is my It was my um my iPhone.

[02:33:22]>> Oh, it died. It was um for some for some reason my iPhone was like heating up really badly and so I was a little scared so I I had to shut that one down.

[02:33:34]>> It happens.

[02:33:35]>> Why did you connect on your on your uh laptop?

[02:33:40]>> Yeah, I'm on my laptop right now. Um I Okay.

[02:33:43]>> Try to use it just Yeah. So if it's a little bad, I apologize, but this is all I got so far.

[02:33:50]I don't know if you can hear me right or >> is my volume better.

[02:33:55]>> I can hear you but you you got I think the lag is back.

[02:33:59]>> I think the lag but I can hear you perfectly though. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's okay. It's okay. Let me let me finish I'll finish answering this for St. Francis baby toe. Um Augustine the great St. Augustine as well. St. Francis baby toe. And in my opinion uh perhaps a greater example St. Justin the Martyr is tremendous great early father. St. Clement of Alexandria. I love him. I love him too. But the titan above titans, the tremendous St. Augustine might be the best example. Why is that?

[02:34:28]He wrote the most voluminous works. And Augustine clearly said, he flat out said that uh reading Plato, reading Plleonist works helped elevate his mind. So uh the beautiful thing is he also says that Plato Plato now he doesn't canonize Plato. He doesn't do that. But he says Plato he did lack um the humility of the incarnation and the cross because they would come they would come later and they very clearly would have been let me find the exact quote. Let me find the quote for you.

[02:35:11]Uh, let me find it.

[02:35:15]I think I've got the exact work. So, let me see what he says. Here it is. I found it. I found it. Among the disciples of Socrates, Plato shone with a glory which obscured them all. There it is. But there's something else that he said. Let me see if I can find it.

[02:35:37]Let's see if I can find it. Uh, okay. Yeah, here it is. Oh, it's right after that. He says, there it is. There it is. Among the disciples of Socrates, Plato shone with a glory which obscured them all. None have come nearer to us than the Plletonist. Meaning, we have many similarities. But then he says Plato still lacked Christ, still lacked the mystery of the incarnation, lacked the cross, grace, and ultimately lacked that upward knowledge that could only be given from knowing the logos. But he still said Plato was close to us and Plato shone with a glory which obscured them all.

[02:36:21]That is tremendous, tremendous, tremendous words laid out there.

[02:36:28]All right.

[02:36:34]When is your next live show, Ari? When's your ne when when you I think you were talking about a few shows that you had planned. Uh what I think you you already filmed the Coptic martyrs one, right?

[02:36:49]You are muted. I don't know if you're there.

[02:36:51]>> No, I have noticed murder yet.

[02:36:55]>> Oh, my bad. That one's going to be a live one.

[02:37:08]>> Can you hear me?

[02:37:09]>> I can hear you now. Will that one be a live one?

[02:37:14]>> Uh, yes, that one will be a live stream.

[02:37:16]It'll be on June 3rd, I believe.

[02:37:22]>> Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Right around the corner. Cool deal. Shortly before Kentucky.

[02:37:29]>> Yep. That'll be a lot of fun. Um the priest that I brought on for this one is amazing. He's one of the best on this topic. And um he's actually from a very famous podcast called Catholic Answers.

[02:37:41]M >> um so it's like a a Catholic Answers but like Coptic Answers and it's it's really really popular especially in Canada and um and so he's one of the priests that is on the show and he's he's amazing so I'm excited.

[02:37:57]>> Awesome. Awesome. Like Tanchious you are more than welcome to come back here uh to dialogue. Uh still got a few more minutes. You got at least 20 minutes. I do have a hard stop in 20 more minutes because uh my daughter, for people that may not know, my daughter is sick. Uh I hopefully it's, you know, just, you know, little minor little bug. Her throat hurts. She's sick. She's got chills. So I got to taking care of her.

[02:38:22]Got to give her medicine in a few moments and check on her and, you know, uh, you know, hug her and, you know, twist her ear and, you know, do all those things. But, um, like Tanishious, the link is pinned. You're more than welcome to come back here. Would love to dialogue with you. The last time you were back here, I think you were dialoguing with Dr. Carlo. I thought it was quite respectful. Um, so yeah, if you want to, you know, for a few moments, you want to come back here, you want to dialogue, we have plenty of time. Would love to dialogue with you.

[02:38:49]You, um, I imagine I imagine you don't believe in uh, in the perpetual virginity of of Mary.

[02:38:58]Uh, so yeah, you know, if you have anything on your mind, would uh would love to have you back here. Very odd that you uh well, I don't know. I'm not sure why you would use a like tantious who was distinctly Catholic, but that's cool. I'm glad I'm glad you like uh you like a Catholic church father. But either which way, uh yeah, you're invited to come back here.

[02:39:23]Thank you, Liz. God bless you. Yeah, there is. There really is a lot of people that are sick going around and I know St. Francis baby toe by the grace of the Lord is feeling a lot better and uh hopefully Elena Elena is as well. I hope she gets better. We'll pray for her. I mean it right now brother. Just noticed you guys were still going live and so I tuned in. All right, you got it my friend. No worries, man. No worries.

[02:39:48]No worries, buddy.

[02:39:53]No worries, man.

[02:39:56]And also, I just want to point out, Latious, you are very wrong. Jojo was not attacking you at all.

[02:40:03]>> She was just trying to get you to chill out. And she And number two, she's not even a mod on my channel. So, >> I didn't see what was happening. I didn't see >> Yeah, cuz he he was he was telling her to go read the Quran or something. And so, that was very disrespectful. So, I >> like Tesious told like Tanchious told Jojo that.

[02:40:21]>> Yes. And so and and so so what I did was I timed him out because even though Jojo is not a moderator on my channel, I do not appreciate him insulting a sister in Christ that way. So Latankius, if you want to be mad at somebody, be mad at me. I didn't appreciate the comment. I actually read what she said and I read what you said as well. I didn't think it was fair, so I timed you out.

[02:40:47]So if you want to be mad at somebody, you can come at me. But Jojo is not responsible for you getting timed out.

[02:40:54]>> Yeah, I didn't see that. But I don't blame you.

[02:40:56]>> I don't blame you at all. Yeah, I didn't see that.

[02:40:59]>> By the way, guys, you guys are out of luck. I uh I likely um am not going to be crashing anymore. I don't use Firefox for my browser anymore. I use Chrome.

[02:41:07]>> So, Chrome doesn't crash. Firefox is the only one. So, y'all are out of luck, man. No more crashes, man. St. Raphael, help Williams daughter. Thank you so much, St. Francis, baby. The Lord bless you, brother. The Lord bless you. I gotta ask you, Ari, you still got a few more minutes before we're done. Do you um I know you have a great devotion to St. Michael. You love St. Michael dearly. Do you also like St. Raphael? Do you love all the angels or just just in particular Michael?

[02:41:33]>> Um Michael's my favorite, but I do have a soft spot for Raphael as well.

[02:41:37]>> Oh, cool. So, you >> Gabriel, I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry to say that I don't have any devotion to um I don't have a devotion to St. Gabriel.

[02:41:47]I'm sorry about that.

[02:41:48]There there a particular reason or you just not really in you know interested?

[02:41:56]>> Not really interested in uh in St. Gabriel. I do think he I do think he played a very good role in in the Bible obviously. So yeah, >> let me just say one thing. Uh do me an enormous favor like Tenious. Uh do not accuse anyone of being a liar and and don't come here. I don't know if he's on my channel or if he's on yours. He's on your channel. Okay, never mind. you can handle him then. Uh I did I didn't know that was my channel your channel but uh but I will no matter what I'll still stand up and still defend you. Don't do not accuse Ari being a liar. Ari is not lying. Ari has no reason for lying. Ari has integrity. Uh so yeah I don't blame Ari for timing you out now.

[02:42:36]>> Yeah. And so the tankious you need to um chill out buddy. Um I you came after her sister. I don't appreciate that. So you could call me whatever you want, buddy, but I mean it's it's fine. It's fine. By the way, you're not forced to watch me.

[02:42:54]So I don't know why you're here and you're over here accusing me of lying.

[02:42:58]So >> I wonder why he's not on my channel. I think it's obvious why he's probably banned. I imagine he's banned on my channel.

[02:43:04]>> Yeah, >> I don't know. I I actually have no clue, but actually >> I would not I am pretty positive he's probably banned on my channel. That's why he doesn't appear on mine. Yeah, that that does make sense. He only appears on yours. He appeared when Dr. Carlo was on. Appears right now. Pretty sure that one of our moderators did the good job and banned that guy already.

[02:43:23]So, oh, Lo Molina got rid of him on Gary's. Okay.

[02:43:29]Oh, look at that. Elena lives. They're doing better. The kids have been healthy. Finally feeling better today.

[02:43:34]I've been taking a day and a half worth of antibiotics. We're praying for you, Elena. Glad that you're feeling much better. God bless you. Lena Molina says, "St. Raphael was my confirmation saint.

[02:43:46]I love it, brother. I love it, man. So, you're going to enjoy tomorrow's show.

[02:43:50]We're going to talk uh we're going to go in depth and that is inspired by the great our near and dear brother St. Francis Baby. We're going to talk very deeply about Raphael. It's going to be a lot of fun, a ton of fun. We're going to go very deep talking about Raphael.

[02:44:06]We'll continue talking about angology.

[02:44:08]We talked about St. Michael already, but we'll probably talk about him again. But we're going to begin with Raphael maybe shock you on certain things that maybe you hadn't heard of certain apparitions tied in his role there at the nativity as being unseen there and then his role there in the flight into Egypt. What do the early fathers say? What do the medieval say? What do the mystics say?

[02:44:29]It is going to be a ton of fun. He was usually respectful here until now.

[02:44:39]>> Yeah, TJ just handled him. I I was going to go in and handle it, but TJ already did it for me. And that is why TJ is a moderator on my channel. So, um, >> cool deal. I can't I can't tell when I'm looking.

[02:44:50]>> You see why I have TJ moderator?

[02:44:53]>> Oh, yeah. TJ's great. Yeah, I can I can tell uh what uh channel the messages were coming on. I just barely realized when I went looking.

[02:45:03]He's also >> Oh, you we're losing you big time now.

[02:45:07]>> That's what I'm saying.

[02:45:10]Yeah, we're losing you big time now.

[02:45:12]Now, now there's a big time delay. Uh oops.

[02:45:17]We lost her.

[02:45:19]We lost her. We'll wait for her to come back and then we'll wrap it up, faithful, because I got to go take care of my daughter in a moment. But you all are tremendous. And um where's the brother James? I don't know what prayers he wants.

[02:45:37]I don't think James is still around.

[02:45:43]Yes, I will do that.

[02:45:47]Okay.

[02:45:49]I don't think James is around. Where is he?

[02:45:54]Where's the hater James?

[02:45:56]Okay. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go.

[02:46:00]Here we go. Here we go.

[02:46:06]Wait for Ari to return.

[02:46:10]There we go. There you go. We got her.

[02:46:15]There we go. There we go.

[02:46:18]>> I am back.

[02:46:20]>> All right. There we go. I hear you.

[02:46:22]>> Thank God.

[02:46:23]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No way.

[02:46:24]>> My internet's wonky today, guys. I'm so sorry.

[02:46:27]>> No, it's it's probably the weather. I imagine you probably y'all probably have storms over there.

[02:46:31]>> Yeah. Oh my gosh. You have no idea how bad the freaking storms are, bro.

[02:46:35]>> Yeah, we're having them right now, too.

[02:46:36]It's pretty wild. I mean, it's not as bad as the other day. Um, and I haven't even gone bad to bad gone back to look, but I think at one point I began like either lagging or went really blurry, right, on cameras.

[02:46:48]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're starting to pixelate.

[02:46:50]>> Oh man. Yeah.

[02:46:53]>> And know you know, you know what's funny is the fact that it happened right after I told Cameron. I was like, "Hey, tell him to put hide on the little white box that he had at the bottom because your slides were so beautiful." And I was like, "Man, I'm like, I can't read the freaking text."

[02:47:07]>> I'm glad I'm glad you told me though.

[02:47:08]I'm glad.

[02:47:09]>> Yeah. And so I commented on a and I wasn't going to text you because I didn't want to like distract you from what you were saying.

[02:47:14]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[02:47:15]>> So that's why I put it in the chat and so I'm glad Cameron saw it in time and he he he stopped your timer and so you can >> No, that was cool of him. I gotta give it to him. That was cool of him. That was great. Yeah.

[02:47:28]God bless Ka, but I will never forgive him for telling me um for calling me a freaking heath. Like, what the hell?

[02:47:37]>> He was doing so well up until he called me.

[02:47:41]>> We forgive him though. Cameron's great.

[02:47:42]Cameron's the one that convinced me to stay tuned, man. He He knocked me around.

[02:47:46]>> He He knocked me around.

[02:47:48]>> Good. As he should.

[02:47:50]>> Yeah. Williams PC curse got transferred to Ari's laptop.

[02:47:55]>> Literally, guys. Literally, >> it did, man. It did, Liz. There's no doubt about that, Liz. All right. How about we close in uh in prayer? You want um uh do you have particular prayers you want to say?

[02:48:07]>> Um let's do >> you want me to do the the mine first, then we go to yours?

[02:48:16]>> What >> do you want me to do? Mine first, then we go to yours.

[02:48:19]>> Did you get through all the super chats?

[02:48:21]>> Yeah, I got through all of them. Every single one.

[02:48:23]>> Every single one. You honored every single super chat?

[02:48:26]>> Yeah. Do you want me to go through my um the prayers and then we go to yours?

[02:48:30]>> Sure.

[02:48:32]>> Okay. Uh we're gonna do Spanish. You want to do English your your like English? I do English and then Spanish.

[02:48:38]>> Yeah.

[02:48:39]>> Okay. I'm going to go slowly because otherwise James is going to put me in a headlock. He's going to say that I that I He's going to say that I say the prayers as if somebody's chasing me.

[02:48:48]>> I agree with him.

[02:48:49]>> I imagine that like a freaking somebody with a hatchet chasing you. Y'all are haters, man. I gotta say it.

[02:48:55]>> You do. You say it so fast and you're like and I'm like, "What the hell did he just say?"

[02:48:58]>> All right. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna go slower now. I promise you. I'm gonna go slower. Okay.

[02:49:02]>> Sure.

[02:49:03]>> All right. Here we go. Father, send the Holy Spirit.

[02:49:06]>> Prayer for the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit. Oh Lord Jesus Christ, who before ascending into heaven did promise to send the Holy Spirit to finish your work in the souls of your apostles and disciples, dain to grant the same Holy Spirit to us. that he may perfect in our souls the work of your grace and your love. Grant us a spirit of wisdom that we may despise the perishable things of this world and aspire only after the things that are eternal. Spirit of understanding to enlighten our minds with the light of your divine truth.

[02:49:38]Spirit of counsel that we may ever choose the shest way of pleasing God and gaining heaven. Spirit of fortitude that we may bear our crosses with you. That we may overcome with courage all the obstacles that oppose our salvation.

[02:49:51]Spirit of knowledge that we may know God and know myself and grow perfect in the science of the saints. Spirit of piety that we may find the service of God sweet and amiable and spirit of fear that we may be filled with a loving reverence towards God and may dread in any way to displease him. Mark us dear Lord with a sign of your true disciples and animate us in all things with your spirit. Amen.

[02:50:18]Prayer to the archangels Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. Heavenly King, you have given us archangels to assist us during our pilgrimage on earth. St. Michael is our protector. We ask him to come to our aid, fight for all our loved ones, and protect us from danger. St. Gabriel is the messenger of the good news. We ask him to help us clearly hear your voice and to teach us the truth.

[02:50:39]St. Raphael is a healing angel. We ask him to take our need for healing and that of everyone we know. Lift it up to your throne of grace and deliver us back to the gift of recovery. Help us, O Lord, to realize more fully the reality of archangels and their desire to serve us. Holy angels, pray for us. Amen.

[02:51:01]Prayer to our guardian angels. Angel of God, my guardian dear to whom God's love commits me here ever this day night be at my side to light and guard to rule and to guide. Now the Hail Mary.

[02:51:40]Torah.

[02:51:45]Amen.

[02:51:47]Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women.

[02:51:52]Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

[02:51:54]Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

[02:52:01]Maria.

[02:52:17]Amen.

[02:52:29]Setulum. Amen. Glory be to the Father and to the Son and the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

[02:52:40]Glory.

[02:52:48]Amen. Prayer for the souls in purgatory.

[02:52:51]May the souls of all the faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace. Amen. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Amen.

[02:53:01]>> All right. Um, can I can I do one more prayer in Spanish?

[02:53:07]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[02:53:08]>> I want to do the St. Michael's prayer in Spanish.

[02:53:11]>> Okay. You want me to do that in English?

[02:53:14]>> Yeah.

[02:53:14]>> Or you just want to do Spanish?

[02:53:17]I'll do do it I'll do it in Spanish first and then you do it in English afterwards.

[02:53:20]>> Okay, let me look it up. I don't know about memory.

[02:53:23]>> I know you don't.

[02:53:25]>> You know me. You know me. I'm looking it up. Go ahead.

[02:53:27]>> All right. So, Oh [ __ ] Your turn.

[02:54:06]Okay. Here we go. St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, oh prince of the heavenly host, not by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

[02:54:38]Okay, that seems to be it.

[02:54:42]>> Hold on.

[02:54:43]>> What?

[02:54:46]>> Uh uhoh.

[02:54:50]>> Yeah, this guy wants to like beat us up.

[02:54:52]Hold on. He says, "Is this the one?" Let me pray the longer one. He says, "Apparently, we didn't. This is the longer one." Okay. St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, O prince of the heavenly hosts, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who have prowl about the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. Oh glorious prince St. Michael, chief and commander of the heavenly hosts, guardian of souls, vanquisher of rebel spirits, servant in the house of the divine king, and our admirable conductor. You who shine with excellence and superhuman virtue, deliver us from all evil, who turn to you with confidence, enable us by your gracious protection to serve God more and more faithfully every day.

[02:55:41]Glorious prince of the heavenly host, St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle, in the fearful warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits. Come thou to the assistance of men, whom Almighty God created immortal, making them in his own image and likeness, and redeeming them at a great price from the tyranny of Satan. Fight this day the battle of the Lord with legions of holy angels, even as of old thou did fight against Lucifer, leader of the proud spirits and rebel angels, who are powerless to stand against thee.

[02:56:17]Neither was their place found anymore in heaven. And the apostle angel transformed into an angel of darkness who still creeps about the earth to encompass our ring was cast headlong in the abyss together with his followers.

[02:56:31]But behold that first enemy in mankind and a murderer from the beginning has regained his confidence changing himself into an angel of light. He goes about with a whole multitude of the wicked spirits to invade the earth and blot out the name of God of his Christ to plunder, slay, and to consign to eternal damnation souls that have been destined for a crown of everlasting life. This wicked serpent like an unclean torrent pours into men of depraved minds and corrupt hearts. The poison of his malice, spirit of lying, impiiety and blasphemy, and the deadly breath of impurity in every form of vice and iniquity. These crafty enemies of mankind have filled to overflowing with gall and wormwood the church which is the bride of the lamb without spot. They have laid profane hands upon her most sacred treasures. Make haste therefore oh invincible prince to help the people of God against the inroads of the lost spirits and grant us the victory. Amen.

[02:57:26]Fathers and holy spirit.

[02:57:28]>> Whose idea was it to do that one?

[02:57:31]>> James.

[02:57:33]>> Okay. I don't understand why if if I did the short one for a reason.

[02:57:37]>> I didn't even know it was going to be that long. I began reading I had no clue and then I I'd be reading.

[02:57:41]>> Yeah. And I just I just don't think it's fair because uh >> there's a reason why I did a version because we did his prayers already. So for him to try to go and uh >> No, I'm I'm being I'm being serious.

[02:57:52]Like it it does upset me because >> we already did his prayers and the one time that I want to do a prayer my way as well >> and for him to kind of just intrude on that is very disrespectful. So I did not appreciate that on his part but whatever. Anyways um thank you guys for watching.

[02:58:10]>> You know did that our father in Spanish Hail Mary?

[02:58:13]>> No. No it's fine. It's fine.

[02:58:15]>> Okay.

[02:58:16]>> Um yeah but anyways thank you guys for watching. Um, William, thank you for coming on here. Three hours.

[02:58:22]>> Ari, three hours. It was a blast. Thank you so much for having me, for doing this review. It was tremendous. It was amazing. We got to do more. We got to do more. There's more stuff to do. There's more stuff to tackle, more stuff to review and talk about. Let's do it again. We'll do more.

[02:58:38]>> Absolutely. All right. Thank you guys so much. Have a good day. Please pray for me. Um, pray for us, I guess I should say. And um, >> Amen.

[02:58:46]>> We'll be praying for you guys as well.

[02:58:48]God bless.

[02:58:49]>> God >> bless.

[02:59:16]But as long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.