Klay Thompson FUMBLE & Courts GUT the Voting Rights Act

Added: 2026-05-07

[00:00:00]He ain't even You know what, Max? You never made our intro, man. You forgot.

[00:00:05]>> Yeah. [laughter] >> But we here though.

[00:00:11]>> Welcome to the Chop Up.

[00:00:14]>> Yes, >> it is I. It is them, me, George Lee aka Conscious Lee. You know, we we we late.

[00:00:23]We getting y'all. We coming up with a different time to to what I'm saying to have us on a regularly scheduled programming. But who am I with today?

[00:00:30]You know.

[00:00:33]>> Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. You with the hat on. You go first. You go first. No you. No you.

[00:00:37]>> Oh no. Yeah. They saw me last week. I was here one deep by myself. Uh luckily because I could just get my [ __ ] off.

[00:00:45]You know what I mean? I was just able to rant and ramble. So I appreciate having that time. But yeah, we back. It's back with the squad. It's the chop up.

[00:00:52]>> We love it. We love it. We love it. It's your girl Toya G. Um, I was absent, uh, but had a great time popping over to the town to go hang out with the family and have a good time. Um, and enjoy my siblings. I ain't going to say how old they are. Um, but they they've been alive a long, long time and they twins and we celebrated that [laughter] and we love them and they people, you know what I'm saying? So, it was good to be uh in the mix with that family, but I'm I'm glad to be back with this family. You know what I'm saying? and the family I get to choose back in the mix with my brothers and it feels real good man. But uh every day is something different. It's something new.

[00:01:31]What the hell? Shout out to Tyler. Shout out to Kenisha. What's good? Good evening. What's going on y'all?

[00:01:37]>> What's what's going on y'all? We gonna jump right into it, man.

[00:01:41]>> I don't know where Dammo went. He gonna come back. But I know a lot of y'all have seen the discourse surrounding uh Meg the Stallion and Clay D. Thompson.

[00:01:50]Um, a lot of people have been celebrating, you know, the breakup between the two. A lot of a lot of people have been feeling like it's about time that Mega Stallion got her. A lot of people have been feeling like that Tuck Thompson is a uh light-skinned albino cheating ass [ __ ] Um, depending on what timeline you've been on, depending on who you've been talking to, that definitely impacts what the dialogue you have been receiving um, pertaining to this relationship. Um, I think a conversation around misogyny, misogyny, no war, as well as um, gender wars is kind of the conversation I've been seeing around this. Um, curious to what y'all been seeing around this. And then, you know, Domo, you can ask the question.

[00:02:36]>> I So, to I'm gonna be honest. I've I've seen one conversation where the shout out to my partner Taz, he did a he did a show on it. He did a he did a uh stream about it, but he was trying to have the conversation away from the gender wars.

[00:02:54]Uh just kind of dissect the mentality but not go into the more combative, you know what I'm saying, more dangerous conversation. Um, so and then he he was fighting to not go down that road. Like he was telling people on the like, "No, like we not doing that. We're not doing the old black men, black women [ __ ] We're not doing that." So, uh, I seen that. But outside of that, everything I I really haven't been too invested. When I do see people talking about it, I kind of scroll right past it because I I didn't realize that people cared this much about I mean, I knew people cared about >> What you think, Toya?

[00:03:34]my [ __ ] What What you think, Julian?

[00:03:37]>> I mean, no. I He's like, I don't know. I didn't know that that many people were invested in it. And I think that people are invested in hating Megan Stallion is what I think. And particularly black people, right? That is who's kind of running my particular timeline or at least more dominantly the different talking heads, the different voices, the different podcasts, the different uh social media entities and what they have to say about this topic as well as just random people whose stuff pops up. and everybody is either invested in hating Megan the Stallion or um just kind of defending her, but there's very clear and sharp divides. I think people are wanting her to get hers based on the Tory situation. So, what I see is a lot of the same toxic type [ __ ] who ran behind uh Tory uh Lanes and who defended and who, you know, called her a liar despite court cases, despite testimonials, despite the despite phone calls, prison calls or people apologizing for [ __ ] despite like it was still like she's guilty, Bigfoot this and yada yada that and shot in the foot and whatever. And so all I've seen is people either feed into the vitriol that she's finally getting what she deserve and that raggedy [ __ ] deserve what she got and she ain't really worth nothing. Oh, she sleeps around and she a hoe anyway and that's what she get for and for for putting herself out there this that and the other. And I see other people say well there's so much more to this and this is an example of what we talk about when we say you [ __ ] are wild because nobody's paying attention to the person who got cheated on. I mean some nobody's paying attention to the cheater. It's all about the person who got cheated on. So I I think and to be clear like y'all might be like well why are we talking about this if it was just if we were just talk if it was just news happening and there were no such thing as comment sections and there were no such thing as you know whole >> discussions about this wouldn't be important but the thing and I just want to finish this thought is the echo chamber of certain ideals and perspectives that ultimately boil down to [ __ ] hating black women >> right ultimately boil down to not having the same standards for what it means to be a hoe, what it means to sleep around, what it means to have consensual relationships as adult for men. Is it women? It's a whole lot of hit dogs hollering. It's a whole lot of weird [ __ ] going on. And it is exposing the same people that we sit across from that's in our dating pools that you swiping swiping left or right on on these apps that you sitting, you know what I'm saying? Like it these [ __ ] is is people because it's also a lot of women too who I'm saying in these comments. So, nobody is innocent, but there are investments in hating other black women or hating black women in a way that has been really um I think illustrated and demonstrated effectively by this whole situation. So, that's why I'm talking about it because we talking about us. We talking about each other.

[00:06:09]>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think to the broader context, that's what's happened in the last two weeks and how now this this dialogue around Mega Stallion is so sensationalized. We know last week, you know, there were three different black men that murdered their black wives or murdered their black spouse. One of them killing their kids as well. And there wasn't really a peak. It wasn't a lot of conversation around accountability or responsibility or oness or injustice or fairness, none of that [ __ ] But Megan Stalin get cheated on and all of a sudden here come [ __ ] coming out the woodworks now all of a sudden talking about responsibility, accountability, justice, and fairness. So, I think that right there kind of, you know what I'm saying, was wild. Also, a lot of the same people that are celebrating what happened, you know what I'm saying?

[00:06:55]Celebrate Mega Stallion being cheated on was also saying that Klay Thompson was a [ __ ] ass [ __ ] He was a simp he was wiping these hoes. He was he was he was he was being he was he he was doing it all wrong. He was a cornball. Now, been broken up with. He's been cheated on or cheat. He cheated. He got broken up with. Now they celebrate. Play a real [ __ ] So now you had just a bunch of people like, you know, even like uh uh uh who is it? Cameron and Mace literally were talking about, you know what I'm saying? Like Klay Thompson is the prize.

[00:07:29]So now you just have a bunch of different grown men particularly and grown women putting in their two cents, putting in our two cents about what we think in terms of what the relationship got going on and or about misogyny and or about how we think that you know what I'm saying these hoes is for everybody or x y and z xy and z xyz.

[00:07:47]>> I mean also not not to forget because the last time I I checked and you can correct me if I'm wrong. We we and this is I'm just making sure that we understand the critical analysis that we're providing to this. We pro ho if you working I used the word consensual early earlier intentionally because what consenting grown adults do with their body and like who are who policing who and what and for why right like and we again bringing it full circle have to ask ourselves about the standards about the way that we apply those standards or whatever. So even if she's out there having a relationship with this person and it failed or having a relationship with this person and it failed or just having a good time with this person and it didn't pan out so the [ __ ] what right? And I think I I think that the ultimate kind of important component about this is that like the shit's just not being delved out equally. You know what I mean? And like I think that is the disparity and the disproportionate nature that necess necessitates that we talk about why black women are, you know, the the bad person again because it happens far too often. But sorry, go for it.

[00:08:43]>> No, you good. But I think a part of this is the reason why I feel like comment like I think George accurately described the dialogue. It's comment section dialogue. It's troll dialogue. It's [ __ ] just saying [ __ ] just getting [ __ ] off like it's not really it it's because there's no we we can provide a critical lens, right? Like we can dissect what's the the the aspects of society that are being reflected in the way that the conversation goes down. But a part of the problem is that the that these conversations get marketed like it the gender wars sell you I mean like misogynor sales you know I mean like the the conversations surrounding misandry whether or not it exists or doesn't exist sell and so we we end up taking things that shouldn't dominate and that's why I said whether or not whether or not it exists or shouldn't exist that conversation sells. Yeah, >> I saw [laughter] your face and I was like, "Hold on, I didn't say."

[00:09:36]>> No, I was about to say something. It's just so crazy that those are the things that sell. But people, women, black women losing their lives to the hands of our brothers. The same ones who they scream and holler about, we don't care about and that we forget about and we don't have space for and don't hold space for. And the same people that we continue to show we do have space for and we will show up for, we will advocate for, are killing their intimate partners. And that's not enough. So, it's just like even on a level of a basic human level of like graphicness and the investment in the plot, you more invested in a relationship that went south than you are about people dying.

[00:10:08]What does that say about you? How desensitized are you? How detached are you and how emotionally kind of questionable do you have to be to put a whole lot more fire on people who are still walking, talking, able to tell their story? From what I understand, in one of those cases, one of the women in a classic case of making a decision to be fed up was pledging to leave her partner the next day was found dead.

[00:10:29]Right? So, it's it's just despicable what we're willing to buy into and what we allow to to kind of move us and get our engagement versus not. But the thing about the comment section though and it it it's inherently adversarial >> like I mean like George knows to you don't spend a lot of time on YouTube panels and interacting with internet people but you realize people don't talk the same way you know what I mean when they when they able when they in the comment sections >> that they typically do when they get on the panel.

[00:10:58]>> Hell even when they make a video when they in front of you they don't talk the same way. [ __ ] don't talk the same way. So it's like the the issue is that like when you say what how how detached are you? It's more so what are you attached to?

[00:11:11]>> What politic are you so invested in that you become a keyboard warrior? Like you you the type of person that like Yes.

[00:11:18]What politic is attached to uh how [ __ ] feel about me the stallion with it relating back to what happened with Tory Lanes. You know what I'm saying? To make it to where people feel as if like yeah she get her comeuppance.

[00:11:31]You know what I'm saying? By getting cheated on. You feel me? Because it it it's really like to me it like you it's not even the relationship that's that's the the bigger news. It's how [ __ ] is choosing to talk about it. Mason Cameron these like when when do we get to the point where again unless other than selling conversation that [ __ ] that with that background remember Dame Dash talked about [ __ ] being chatty patties and [ __ ] like that. Yeah.

[00:11:54]>> When do we get to the point where we so against me the stallion [ __ ] is cool with being chatty patties.

[00:11:59]>> We gossiping. You know what I'm saying?

[00:12:01]Now, I'm I'm not using Dame Dash as the standard for [ __ ] but at the same time, it's like it it's these hyper masculine dudes that are doing things that under their own paradigm, >> they would critique somebody for because of how they feel about Mega Stallion.

[00:12:19]>> Say that. We're not looking backwards, y'all. We looking forwards. JM, don't come in here starting no.

[00:12:25]>> U no, it's not. No, it's not. It's not this Dominic. He went to a live I had earlier. It was somebody named Dominique in the comment section that started talking about pandering on this conversation. I let him have it. I dropped the link.

[00:12:38]>> Nobody he didn't hop on. Somebody else start talking [ __ ] again. Drop the link again. So it's just to the point what Donald was saying is that when usually [ __ ] get opportunity to get in 4K with you, they usually don't have that energy. And to me this show that a lot of people will think deeply about shallow [ __ ] especially when it come to gender politics. Like you have no issue with making it individualistic and saying that we don't hold these hoes accountable. And you would like to just ignore intimate partner violence. You will ignore how black women are eight eight times more likely to die by the hands of their partner. You know what I'm saying? Than the other way around.

[00:13:10]You feel me? We g is it just people start now talking about >> hoing >> and that be the center of accountability.

[00:13:18]>> I mean my thing is too >> really not though. How easy is it and how easy does it become to forget that these is real people and that you a real person and we all live in real life because these these same people that are talk crazy about a meal but but you out here [ __ ] unprotected. You know what I'm saying? How what what what your listing register looking like for the month. You know what I'm saying? You got FWBS all over the place. You know what I'm saying? You run through them just as good and just as fast as anybody else.

[00:13:43]But because they're on a platform, you get to dehumanize them and to take away the reality that that's literally your politic. How you move, how you live your life is sticking and moving. You know what I'm saying? But like that I think and that is the audacity that I think obviously comes with celebrity and that celebrities have to be prepared to receive because they're on that pedestal. They chose that life. They chose to be in that position. But it's also why like I think celebrity culture at this stage and we've said this before in different context and in different conversations, but we know too much about these people.

[00:14:13]>> We know way too much about their real lives. We know way too much about how they live. And so we're not able to really hold up the mirror in a way that makes >> sense from one moment to the next. Like what the [ __ ] are you YAPPING ABOUT?

[00:14:24]LOOK AT YOUR OWN LIFE. LOOK AT LOOK AT WHAT YOU DO. And you know what I'm saying? The only thing difference between you and her is that you're not interested enough for somebody to follow you enough around to see what the [ __ ] is going on. To lean into your live, to read your little pity parties and your story that you be having where another one bites the dust. To look into your close friends where you drunk and looking stupid and crazy because it's the end of another relationship that you done had that was failed and you didn't already [ __ ] Like I mean like there's just so many things to what are you doing, bro?

[00:14:49]>> Try to figure out like what are you talking >> Put it back.

[00:14:52]>> Yeah. I don't know. We playing here with our with our screen. But >> yeah, I was trying to put it back. I was trying to put it back. I was trying to put it back, but I think the point you was making made me think of this right here. You know, we live in a society, >> I seen. That's I was like, wait, where did the tweet go? uh Globe, no Brian Mclight uh which is their name on Twitter said, "We live in a society where Ray J admitting to having sex with 12,000 500 women >> is overlooked to criticize a 31 Meg the Stallion 31y old me the Stallion uh who assumingly for assumingly having sex with five men in the in the last few years right now I read that as though I was not competent at reading. So I'll read it one more time. We live in a society where Ray J admitting to having sex with 12,500 women is overlooked to criticize a 31-year-old Megan B.

[00:15:37]Stallion for assumingly having sex with nine men in the last few years. What sense?

[00:15:43]>> Yes.

[00:15:44]>> What sense does that make?

[00:15:45]>> Yes. I mean, and again, by the way, it could be [ __ ] we don't know about and it still ain't gonna be 12,500. So now, >> but it's another but it's another example of just like like I the [ __ ] that [ __ ] are proud to say out loud and the [ __ ] that [ __ ] cheer. I could care less what y'all speak bad on.

[00:16:03]>> That's Rick Sanchez, Rick and Morty.

[00:16:05]This first [ __ ] I ain't gonna act like I just came up with that. But it's like I steam what makes you cheer.

[00:16:10]>> Yes.

[00:16:10]>> Boo me all you want to.

[00:16:12]>> Absolutely.

[00:16:12]>> You know what I mean? Like the fact that like because what we talking what we're literally talking about is that if there is no standard, why should I take you serious? This isn't a standard you take serious. It's a standard that you customize. You know what I mean? It has to fit a particular politic in order to fit your standard. So come on. And and as a part of us knowing too much about these people, like why are we invested in celebrity body counts? Like as adults, this is grown people. You know what I'm saying? Like where do we I don't understand the attachment. You I mean I'm And y'all know how I feel. Like George even had to cut me off earlier because it was just like I I can't start this conversation because I've actively ignored the dialogue cuz I don't understand the investment.

[00:16:57]>> Oh yeah. I got I got I got I got a few more things for you. I feel like this I I was like not saying nothing. It was like ah who gives a [ __ ] They they millionaires. They'll be all right.

[00:17:05]Whatever. Cool. Then I started seeing the memes.

[00:17:09]>> The memes, man.

[00:17:10]>> More memes. I started seeing >> too. By the way, y'all talking to us.

[00:17:13]This chat moving up in here because y'all in it. So, shout out to y'all for tapping in us with us tonight. Facebook, YouTube, uh X, we see y'all in here.

[00:17:20]What's good?

[00:17:21]>> Yeah. IG, what's up?

[00:17:23]>> Go ahead.

[00:17:25]>> I'm trying to I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out how to pull pull it pull this first one up, man.

[00:17:28]>> Because the meme was wicked and and you know, the circles I'm in, you know, uh the the church religious circles. I didn't see what pastor it was, but apparently there was some pastor who shared that meme of uh Meg and I don't know if you have it. I feel like it's an animated meme of of like >> I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.

[00:17:43]I got I put it up. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's crazy. I know what you're talking about.

[00:17:49]>> Yeah, bro. She made a post on Instagram and everything. A picture of Clay Thompson laughing and talking with Tory Lanes, you know what I'm saying? In the in the in the jail and they having a brother homoerotic, you know what I'm saying? Rel conversation about how they got down on the whole, you know what I'm saying? My sister, I I love her in her Facebook. If y'all ain't following her, definitely go follow Uply Negris. But she says, uh, "Your booty pucker will bleed when you generate this, didn't you?" Because because it's AI generated video. It's like, "Why do you have so?" Because that's when I the chat. It's like, why do grown men have so much time to invest this much time in creating artwork, bro? A better question is a better question to the You asked a better question and I got a question to ask both.

[00:18:32]>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me get I got this one first. A better question is, what are they laughing at?

[00:18:38]What's this one right here?

[00:18:41]>> First of all, [ __ ] you're in jail.

[00:18:43][laughter] You're in prison. You're in prison. And this [ __ ] is is about to get traded.

[00:18:51]Both of y'all got bigger issues, [ __ ] Clay Thompson, Tory Lanes, Lukaku, the Baby, Burner Boy, Meek Mills, G Easy, Partisan, Moneybag. Yo, and Megan the Stallion bent over a couch suggestively, right? This was the meme that we were talking about. So, I know Japal V uh was like, I thought this we were we are now, right? A a pastor and this is how invested this is why I mean alongside our criticisms and critiques of Christian.

[00:19:25]>> Yes. Right. Right. And I I didn't get a chance to see it was like a quick post that I kind of saw and I was like, "Dang, I don't have time to go down a rabbit hole to figure who figure out who posted to see the original post." But apparently there were conversations in the church world about a pastor who posted this to his platform in criticism of Megan Estallion and to kind of talk about the lack of I guess pity that she has in this uh issue and the fact that I don't know what point that was trying to be made, but look at how deep it goes.

[00:19:51]Look at how deep the misogyn goes, right? Look how deep the investments in shaming women without criticizing these men's sexual relationships and habits and tendencies. Look how far it goes.

[00:20:01]Right? Then you want to, you know, kind of be comical. You make uh Tory Lanes be shorter than everybody else. He he like you really is you just think you're so smart. You think you're so intelligent.

[00:20:10]And these are people who are in religious positions who whose responsibility it is to be safe spaces for black women who by the way by and large lead and run and represented are the backbone of the black church, right?

[00:20:23]right? Who are looking for places to understand, to help heal, to help them push through the different traumas that they experience at the hands of black men and this is what they think about them. Right? So, if you wonder why the black church is dying, it is because all it has done is not really take a new and nuance stance or approach to how it deals with and engages with the world, but instead just updates the way that it do does [ __ ] up [ __ ] by like using memes. So, you just using memes.

[00:20:46]>> Help me with this one though. But help me But but help help me with this one though. Help me with this one though.

[00:20:49]Help me with this one because you know what I'm saying? I've been I've been I've been I've been I've been real active on Facebook. You know what I'm saying? Here here here here lately again. And you know I made a post Malcolm X famously declared that black women are the most disrespected, unprotected and neglected people in America. He emphasized the need for black men to protect and respect black women stating that his society's progress is measured by the empowerment of his women and often highlight the necessity for their educational liberation. weak ass [ __ ] today would accuse him of pandering and I bet he still wouldn't give a damn just like I don't give a damn about y accusations get rid somebody in the comments right here he also was a part of an organization that required the highest level of selfrespect let's not forget that and make sure we have a full clear picture you probably think they are all queens and everyone deserves a trophy part for participating you know some of us yes us are descendants of royalty I don't know whom us are actually who are whom must are actually are. But a queen behaves [laughter] disrespectful black women at least. This is what I taught what I was taught.

[00:21:54]Naked or mostly naked on internet is equal or or a bit greater than standing outside and display on thick royal in LA. Same standards were for Kim Kardashian call a spade a spade and this keep on going. We we know what I'm saying. This this is the conversation >> this is ALL ABOUT. BY THE WAY, I JUST I need to can I make sure we make something clear?

[00:22:12]>> Yeah.

[00:22:12]>> This is about a woman who got cheated on. This is not a salacious story about how Me the Stallion went out on and cheated on Clay Thompson like we all knew she would. This isn't a story about me the Stallion living out her lyrics in real life, right? And and going too far and overly sexualizing things to the point where you like she has been sexually malicious in some way or just this is she got cheated on. And and let's and let's something. What that means >> is that >> without saying it, >> it's like that's what she gets.

[00:22:46]>> Like that like like all of it they're jumping to the justification and the part that's missing from their justification is that's what she gets.

[00:22:56]All we get to see is the because >> Yeah. So the fact that the reason why we having a conversation about the sexual uh like not or or the uh you know the sexual activities of somebody that uh you know got cheated on is because due to her behavior to these people she deserved it. So any criticism any bad things that happened to her are justified because I think she a hoe.

[00:23:21]>> That's essentially what that is. And so it's like we like we can dance around it all day. And I know people don't like sounding like [ __ ] They really don't. But a lot of this dialogue and and I've been kind of on this tip for a minute now uh uh is that people look for justifications to be [ __ ] up.

[00:23:42]People look for excuses to be terrible people.

[00:23:46]>> And this is another example of I'm hiding behind respectability, but I'm really [ __ ] >> Can I show you one more example?

[00:23:55]Yeah.

[00:24:04]>> So, this [ __ ] really is damn near a waste of time.

[00:24:09]>> Pause it. Pause it. Pause it. Look at this [ __ ] >> I'm already over it.

[00:24:15]>> Like, this these are the people who is shaping.

[00:24:19]>> Look at this [ __ ] Like, go ahead, bro.

[00:24:22]Go ahead. I >> hate that. I got to explain this ho ass [ __ ] to all you biscuit head ass hoes and these lame goofy ass [ __ ] who don't understand and mad at Clay Thompson. But I'm mad at the [ __ ] for a whole another reason for being a simp sucker ass [ __ ] so long behind a hoe cake ass [ __ ] See, these hoes be mad because they be looking at these [ __ ] like saviors and role models. And these hoes feel like that if these hoes can be a hoe, then turn around and hang their whole card up and be a good woman and a man, accept them as wife material, that is hope for them.

[00:25:12]But when these hoes fumble, then them [ __ ] know cuz they if if if a [ __ ] could do that to Beyonce, do it to Megan and Stallion, do it to Cardi B, do it to this hoe, that hoe, then I damn so don't stand a chance.

[00:25:31]Come here.

[00:25:34]>> Ain't none of you hoes stand a chance from the jump, [ __ ] [ __ ] Oh, y'all think because these hoes is famous and got a little money that that make these hoes special, man. A hoe is a hoe is a hoe, funky [ __ ] >> And a real [ __ ] is going to let a hoe be a hoe. Cake ass [ __ ] >> Views. 100,000 views.

[00:26:00][snorts] >> Whitney said, "Who hurt him?"

[00:26:04]Uh, Tyler said, "Uh, a couple things.

[00:26:06]One, I ain't know notice nothing on that left hand. So, you doing a whole lot of yapping for a [ __ ] with nobody locked down, right? So, you want to talk about how hoes is going to be a hoe and how who how can you expect to be taken serious? Ain't nobody taking your funny looking ass serious either. Tyler also said, "Is this the Clayface trailer? We don't have time." Um, but I here's here's the here's the thing.

[00:26:29]>> We are spending a lot of time, you know, doubling down and y'all are bumping in the comments. Uh, J I don't know how to say her name. J E Pal 23 making a whole bunch of good points, right? It's not just about that's what Megan gets. That is how that's what all women get. And by the way, the litmus test for somebody being a hoe is this big, right? Your group and scoop. Somebody who made a decision to live their life, be free, whatever, and put them in the same group with somebody who, you know, busted down for everybody. So your your line and litmus test for who be hoing and what's a hoe and this that and the other and who don't deserve and who's disqualified and who's not good enough is the scale is all over the place number one right so you throwing out a whole don't deserve nothing that's the defense mechanism of men who don't know how to stand their ground who don't know how to be confident and deal with confident women who move about the world in ways that they want to and that they care about not caring about somebody else's opinion the default is just to call you a hoe and I don't like the fact that you know who you are how you move that's why I try to shut you down and make you small. Here's what really loses me in this whole thing is that we not talking about Clay and his whole ass tendencies, right? We not we can't sit up here and pretend that just because Clay has this image of being so well spoken and almost a nerd and kind of the that he was what keeping a whole journal. What what did they say he had over time? Right? Are we not going to talk about the fact that this [ __ ] was so messy that he was a walking transporter of probably sexual?

[00:27:50]>> Help me understand that a cheating journal >> like the stuff I heard about Klay Thompson at different stages of his life, both in his prof in the time of his professional care career and while he was in college, abysmal, >> right? Just literally he's a terrible person apparently. And nobody's getting into conversations about how he's just a shitty person in his track record. And of course, it's cuz men get to be hoes, but let let's talk about just how invested you got to be in the craft in order to be not [ __ ] to the level and the extent that Clay was.

[00:28:20]No, I think it's one of them things to where it's like we kind of know like we know basketball players cheat on their girlfriends and that's not even a like so if it happens it's so normalized and so accepted like it's just a part of what it is like that's like what what Clayface C was saying >> straight like yeah nah ain't none of y'all ever stood a chance cuz like [ __ ] is like yeah cuz [ __ ] are like the [ __ ] can be [ __ ] up we know Like, yeah, we know that [ __ ] can [ __ ] can have a good thing and [ __ ] it up over some stupid [ __ ] We've seen it happen. That's the other side of it. You know what I mean? Cuz it's like [ __ ] [ __ ] come out worse for the wear.

[00:29:02]>> Yeah.

[00:29:03]>> You feel [laughter] me? Like that's really what that [ __ ] ended up looking like. [ __ ] [ __ ] take like again outside of a celebrity [ __ ] like Klay Thompson, NBA champion or whatever that [ __ ] is. You know how the relationship that men have with sports already. You know what I mean? Like it it gives it that it gives it those legs. But the what the reality is is that [ __ ] would like [ __ ] come out worse for the wear at the end of the day. Klay Thompson you like gets no points for this. Like actually for respectable [ __ ] Klay Thompson loses points. You look like a lame and you kept a diary about it. You super lame. [laughter] >> Uh uh uh the the diary was allegedly from 2019. This something that was old that he used to keep.

[00:29:44]>> Don't matter once a week. You did it in 201 [ __ ] Always a weak ass white ass [ __ ] >> Yeah. Lightkinned ass [ __ ] >> [ __ ] I never said that but [ __ ] like that. [ __ ] [laughter] >> Um so we literally >> I mean last thing I say I say I feel like we been 30 minutes we switch gears to the real [ __ ] What I say is this though right now it's 168 people here.

[00:30:11]when we start talking about some [ __ ] that really impact the maternal our material reality, how we how we eat, how we get schools, how we able to move [ __ ] See how much [ __ ] going to be invested in this conversation.

[00:30:25]I think that's to me been the thing about all this [ __ ] that go on.

[00:30:30]>> Yeah.

[00:30:30]>> People love to talk about distractions and then when we start talking about [ __ ] you feel me, that impact everybody and not just ego. It impact everybody.

[00:30:39]how you feed yourself, how you put the roof over your head, how you pay the bills, how you take care of your family.

[00:30:45]We see, we see. And just last last thing, and just I'm saying this, not only was she the one that was cheated on and people celebrating her being cheated on and making it like she did something wrong, this is still in the midst of us having three black women at least.

[00:31:05]>> Yeah. and were violently taken out by intimate partner violence, which when we look on the stats, we see that is more likely for a black man to kill a black woman than the other way around, especially when it comes to intimate partner violence.

[00:31:20]We seen Serena Fairfax, we seen a a a two black women and seven children be murdered, you feel me, in in Shreport last week. My lord, >> it wasn't a lot of outrage and a lot of a lot of stuff about values.

[00:31:36]>> You talking >> I still was talking about the livelihood of black women and talking about how there are certain climates that we create that make it conducive for us to create violence towards black women. So when we start calling them [ __ ] and we call them hoes and we say anything goes and we're talking about them being exposable and disposable, that's what creates the climate to make it where people see it rational to murder and create violence against black women's bodies. So when y'all talking about pandering, I'm thinking about the very reality that our language creates. Just like we know when white folks start talking [ __ ] about blackness and black people and start denigrating us and dehumanizing us, it creates a climate that makes it makes it very rational to murder us and take us out. I'm being very just just just just consistent.

[00:32:22]Like, >> let me create one little other piece of thread between the conversation about Mag the Stallion and the the lives that were lost in black communities and with with black kids, with black women in particular, right? It leads you the conversations we have about black the black women in relationship to me the stallion is also what leads you to ask questions when you look at the the murder of these women like damn I wonder what they did. I wonder I wonder like they'll lead you to ask dumbass questions like that in instead of being outraged that black women are being murdered that people have you know been angry and frustrated enough about whatever to lash out in some of the most grave and most depraved ways and as far as taking a life. That same line of questioning that we use for Magg the Stallion. Well, why' she get cheated on?

[00:33:06]Well, [ __ ] What did she do? Well, what did she not do? Why she fall short? Why?

[00:33:10]Well, [ __ ] Let's ask the question. She wasn't hold it wouldn't have happened to her. This, that, and the other. What?

[00:33:13]What? What did she do or what didn't she do? Those are the same questions we end up asking about the black women whose lives are taken. Not how the [ __ ] did this happen? How did it continue to happen? How do we hold the people accountable who took their lives? But damn. Well, what they do? Well, tell me more about this. You know what I'm saying? like it leads us to and eludes us to these other dumbass questions that either we ask about that or just completely ignoring the issues at all.

[00:33:34]So these things are not separate because it's all a question either about what the black woman did or didn't do >> or about the life that she lived and that's now taken away and how irrelevant it is in the grander scheme of something else. So I don't know [clears throat] like that's just my wills are >> because it's a question of what you deserve.

[00:33:48]>> It's always about what >> did you deserve it? Did you earn it? Cuz it's like they're not looking at the action itself as something that shouldn't happen.

[00:33:54]>> Yeah. It's like, okay, it happened, but I'm but I'm willing to say that there's reasons where >> it must have been it must have been a reason. It must have been an explanation. Tell us more about that.

[00:34:03]It's never just a hard stop on the fact that black women's lives are being killed. There's always either more to be told and more to the story or it's not important enough to stop and ask bigger questions in the first place. And it's it's a story we've seen that's old as a tale of time. And the comments is tapped in. They understand what I'm what we talk about in that regard. And hold last thing I'm going to say Lee is and the chop up stance is the question of violence always precedes everything else.

[00:34:27]>> Absolutely.

[00:34:28]>> Nothing just we don't we not obiscating [ __ ] just because you're curious about a different circumstance. [ __ ] all of that. The lives that was lost, the violence that was endured. That that's the priority. That's where the conversation needs to be situated.

[00:34:43]>> Yeah.

[00:34:44]But let's hit a pivot, man. Let's talk about in terms of paying attention to [ __ ] that don't really matter but making sure we talk about things that do.

[00:34:52]>> Uh what's going on with the SCOTUS?

[00:34:54]What's going on with the voters right act right rights act? How has it been altered in ways that you know undermines generations and decades of change and also is going to set us up for decor decades and generations of of some difficulty and some struggle. Let's break it down.

[00:35:11]>> All right. So the Supreme Court decided 63 uh to gut the Voting Rights Act, specifically section two of the Voting Rights Act. Uh now when we say gut right section two leaves room gives like the legal pathway for uh voters specifically black minority voters to challenge uh policies methods voting decisions whatever to call out whether or not they have a detrimental impact on a particular community right that that's what section 2 was what gave us the ability to do in 1982 I think it is Congress specified the question of how you to interpret whether uh whether or not section 2 can be applied. And what Congress argued is that initially the section two required intent in order to use it as a lawsuit.

[00:36:08]>> And what the uh Congress realized in the 80s is that intent isn't always easy to identify. So instead of using intent as the standard for section two, we should use impact. So from that point on, when you have voting rights cases, voter dilution cases, gerrymandering cases, the question was always, did it have a disperate impact on a minority community? Did it have a disperate impact on the black community? The Supreme Court, Trump Supreme Court has just changed that on their own. They slid it back. They said, "We want a narrow interpretation of section two in order to make sure that we're not stepping on any other constitutional amendments." So, we don't want to violate the amendments that say that you can't create laws based on race, right?

[00:36:58]But we recognize that it may be possible that sometimes we got to change maps based on race. So, what we're going to say is that to clarify that law, the only way that you can use section two is if there's blatant intent of to discriminate. Blatant intent to discriminate. It can't be inferred due to disperate impact.

[00:37:24]>> Of course not.

[00:37:26]>> I'm sorry if that was long-winded.

[00:37:28]>> No, it wasn't longwinded. I think it's a useful a useful placing of emphasis and explanation where it's needed.

[00:37:34]>> So So we're at the point now where the court has taken a step back. The progress that was gained in the 80s is now has is now pretty much completely washed away. And it puts every other majority minority district that has been created uh up for grabs now because now all of these cases can all of these maps can be challenged based on whether or not uh they were created for racial purposes without exact proof of intent.

[00:38:07]right now. It's other things that I could go on a rant about, but I want to ask y'all specifically.

[00:38:13]>> Do y'all think this is the death nail for the Voting Rights Act?

[00:38:17]>> Yes.

[00:38:19]>> Go ahead, Lee.

[00:38:20]>> Yes. I I think that I think that um even given what justice Katazi Jackson Kaji Brown Jackson and the other justice that kind of said talked about now the voting right act being a dead law or talking about it you know what I'm saying being a law with no teeth because we know that the Shelby you know what I'm saying case from Shelby >> Shelby Holder 2013 >> know that 201 we know that case already had killed the mechanism of the voting right act and we know this right now >> so just to for clarity the pre-clance requirement Shelby v. Holder uh with a pre-clarance requirement from the Voting Rights Act said that states and cities and municipalities that had a history of discrimination had to request permission from the federal government before they could change their their voting policies.

[00:39:03]>> Yep.

[00:39:04]>> They got rid of that in 2013. My apologies. Go ahead, Lee.

[00:39:07]>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. All this is important. All this is important. All is important. Feel feel free to cut cut me off any anything when when the thought come. What I find insidious about this is how after this law got passed in 1965, we seen a deliberate investment in how conservatives went to law school to figure out how to bastardize particular laws that was made to protect black folks in order to weaponize them and take power from us. The 14th Amendment.

[00:39:38]What I find crazy is that they they they argue that the Voting Right Act was a violation of the 14th Amendment and that the and that the and that the Voting Right Act was not only a violation of the amendment, but specifically that it caused discrimination. So they basically said that it is unconstitutional to fight racism >> because that's racist.

[00:40:04]>> And that's and that's the that's at the heart of this decision though.

[00:40:07]>> Come on, man. that that argument is what the majority decision is basing it off of. That that we cannot interpret section two so broadly that it infringes on other amendments that speak to creating laws that benefit only one group. And they're using the context of uh majority minority districts. So we're changing we're we're creating maps based on race. So even though the court is saying that specifically like we can see circumstances where you would do that, they have now narrowed the possible circumstances to only explicit blatant discrimination.

[00:40:45]>> My fault. Go ahead to >> No, I'm looking for something because I mean to be clear, you might be thinking, okay, so this key part of the voter right act, voters right act just got struck down. The implications of that, when will we see it? When we see it in November. No, you'll see it a lot sooner. I'm talking about like in real time. And what I mean is in the state of Louisiana, Governor Jeff Landry plans to delay the state's May 16th house primaries after the Supreme Court made these decisions uh and rule that and and basically struck down his constitutional map as unconstitutional. Uh the ruling forces lawmakers to redraw district lines likely benefiting Republicans. and this election. And this is important and crucial because with him striking this down or planning to delay that election, it's important to note that uh early voting ballots have already gone out to individuals. People have already participated in this election. To be clear, also by the way, there are only two uh like I think blue districts in that entire state, right? So with this halting of this election that essentially with the redistricting that's going to come with the halting of this election based on being in alignment with this constitutional decision or this decision that basically takes those two districts and obliterates them. They will no longer exist.

[00:41:56]>> Right? One that was already in contention I think will already be redistricked in a way that will benefit Republican candidates. And then there the second one that wasn't really being touched or harmed or was not already in contention is now going to follow in that same direction. So when we think about the immediiacy >> Yeah. Right. Literally, a lot of these special elections, a lot of these different decisions that are being made leading up to November are now being drastically and this apparently this is the beginning of a long line.

[00:42:22]>> Red states. Exactly. Who will be there?

[00:42:24]>> Just like Just like 2013. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[00:42:29]Hey, y'all seen the video before I got on here about New Orleans and about how there was already an election in New Orleans where this black man won the election due to this war going on right now. They were able to completely remove the office that he won.

[00:42:45]>> Yeah.

[00:42:46]>> Based off of the way that they are already back based off the way they literally stripping black folks to power. So, just something I want to just be very very very very clear on. Just two things I say very get to it quick.

[00:42:58]The first, the Voting Right Act of 1965 is what removed the legal machinery that made it where they could stop us from being able to vote. That gave us a lot of access to education. Yes.

[00:43:10]>> Institutions, specifically >> the pole tax, >> the grandfather clause, the goddamn uh uh uh the literary uh uh the literacy tax. All these things were able to be deconstructed and completely taken apart once we were able.

[00:43:27]The second thing is this, when it comes to just the involvement, you feel me? I know a bunch of my revolutionaries gonna be like whatever, whatever, whatever. I I tell you to go watch the bullet of the battle of the bullet by Malcolm X. But this in 1964 before the bill passed, it was only 7% of [ __ ] that was registered to vote in Mississippi and Alabama%.

[00:43:49]In 1966, the year after, over 50% of the black folks in these same states now was registered to vote.

[00:43:57]>> So what we see is that the 1965 Voting Right Act was able to remove all the various ways that white folks was able to terrorize [ __ ] and discourage us from being able to vote.

[00:44:07]>> Yes. And they've been able to and and all of those efforts returned after 2013. And and and and let's be let's be clear here. Gerrymandering is legal, right? It's constitutional as long as it's partisan, as long as it's party based. This is where this gets super [ __ ] up because that's the point that this decision is making is that well, you can have a partisan gerrymander, you just can't do it racially. But what the court recognizes is that partisanship and race are intricately There has been no established place where the court has determined that there was an instance that separated the two >> ever. So what they what they're literally saying what they're saying is in in this new decision is they're saying that the impact does not matter.

[00:45:00]You can have you can have a partisan gerrymander that has a disperate racial impact as long as they can say as long as they can say that they did it for party. Mhm.

[00:45:12]>> They they've created a legal justification for voter suppression. It we're the court literally in the decision are saying we recognize that sometimes a partisan gerrymander can create a disperate impact, but it's still constitutional if it's based off of off of party. Go ahead, Toya. Well, there's a comment in the chat and I don't want to get ahead of anything since you're kind of, you know, choreographing the conversation, but cultural unity asked a question that and especially in the context of ballot or the bullet that could be relevant, right? The cultural unity said this is starting not to not make sense. If they got the game rigged and we uh and we know it's rigged, why do we continue to play? At some point, it becomes self-inflicted. And those are the questions that people have to ask themselves. I want to say there's a series of chop up clips that got posted today that revisit conversations about this very subject and bout of the bullet before and a lot of what we have to ask ourselves is if you know what I'm saying [ __ ] is out here really stressed out really tired really spent by how things have been going they've been part of participating they've been trying to do right they bought into the whole you know representation and using your voice and the ballot is your voice and you got to start from somewhere and if you want to change stuff put the right people in power they did that and not seeing things because people are still in elections and then blaming other people on stealing elections when they the ones really stealing elections. They are, you know, making terrible decisions and, you know, using [ __ ] like Project 25, not as [clears throat] an interesting factbook, but as a a literal manual for how they want to, you know, decompartmentalize the country. They have voter rights act or, you know, a game or a system where it's like, okay, I'll show up to vote, but every time we look up, you stripping pieces away from it. So, what is the incentive? What reason do people have to get up, to pull up, to show up, and to fall for this knowing too that ISIS is gonna be at the poll waiting for us, >> man?

[00:47:00]>> Right. That's a whole another, >> you know, issue.

[00:47:06]I got us a clip from Ballot or the Bullet on Malcolm X.

[00:47:08]>> I was coming. I was coming. Well, yes.

[00:47:11]>> My bad.

[00:47:12]>> My bad. I'm lit. I'm sorry.

[00:47:18]We're going to organize a core of brothers and sisters who after the city is mapped out, they won't leave one apartment house door, not knocked on. There won't be a door in Harlem that will not have been knocked on to see that whatever black face lives behind that door is registered to vote by a certain time this year.

[00:47:46]Nobody will have an excuse not to be registered. We'll ask him, "Let us see your car. If you don't have the uh sense of responsibility to get registered, we'll move you out of town.

[00:48:11]>> It's going to be the ballot or the bullet.

[00:48:17]After we get our people registered, we can then organize that voting strength and channel it in the direction that will get immediate results for the benefit of our people. We can sweep our enemies right out of office, but we will not be able to do it sitting around talking about select and elect your own candidates.

[00:48:40]>> I know. So to to speak to to to speak to what what Malcolm is saying, we've actually reached parody in the House of Representatives in terms of the amount of black representatives in the population, right? Like so in ter in terms of representation, they're there.

[00:48:59]That's why this is happening.

[00:49:02]That's why since Barack Obama, conservatives have have had a concerted attempt to undermine black black voters because they recognize the significance of it. So when we when we ask the question of like, well, why do we participate in it if it's if it's rigged? It's always been rigged. It's been rigged since plantation. It's been rigged since reconstruction. It's been rigged since Jim Crow. It's been rigged.

[00:49:22]But the only way that we get to where we are and we're not in the same situation as Jim Crow and we not in the same situation as reconstruction is because of people looking past the efforts for them to not because they recognize how significant it was to be a part of it.

[00:49:38]And what I think gets us to this point where we end up with Trump and and it was the entire conversation about the United States being post-racial. So y'all can disagree. I don't know how y'all would feel how y'all feel about this, but I feel like because we got to a point with Barack Obama that [ __ ] that just consciously or subconsciously the country was like, "Oh, we overcame that shit." And the what makes me think about that is white people are attempting to use the fact that Donald Trump has had more assassination attempts than Barack Obama. Think about that. What the [ __ ] are you proving?

[00:50:12]>> No, Donald Trump has a worse secret service than Barack Obama had. I'm certain that [laughter] of a thousand bajillion people a thousand bajillion times a day try to take that man's life but people were competent enough to do their jobs and there wasn't a complete gutting of people who have a certain level of competency to do their jobs that allowed for them to be more successful. We also recognize that secret service members I think are some selected by the president but also some of them turn that they serve bipartisanly. They serve whatever president is in that office. And so this is a reflection of poor training, poor preparation, poor equipment, a downgrading of the quality of the secret service personnel that's being used, which is also in the same vein of the agricultural sector in our society. It's in the same vein of the aviation sector of like LIKE [ __ ] IS GOING DOWNHILL, [ __ ] LIKE THAT'S WHY YOU got more assassinations and tips on your life.

[00:51:00]Not that you more specialer, not that you're more better. It is that there were people who knew how to do their jobs.

[00:51:05]>> But but no, the point they're trying to the point they're trying to make is they're not we're not a racist country.

[00:51:10]>> Certainly, >> we didn't try to kill that.

[00:51:12]>> That's a dumb ass point. It's a dumb ass [laughter] stupid. There's a better explanation.

[00:51:17]There's an alternative causality. Obama had at least eight attempts. He just had competent secret service. Shout out to liberal Dan Radio. We agree >> 100%. But but I think what happens is when we get to a point where we think that racism ain't the issue it was like we've I'm I'm going to die on this hill.

[00:51:38]We've allowed whatever progress that we got for them to flip it and be like see now all that [ __ ] that y'all trip off of that [ __ ] ain't a big deal no more. For real. You [ __ ] talking about racism, that [ __ ] ain't no big deal for real. No more.

[00:51:50]Look at all these black billionaires.

[00:51:52]Look at all these black people in charge. Don't talk to us about racism when y'all got all this [ __ ] >> What you talking about? like white people are the most and and and we've gotten we've allowed the whole whether it was Kamla not being black, whether it was how hated Hillary Clinton was in her [ __ ] emails, whether it was the vote like lesser or two evils conversation, there was always something that mattered more than engaging for the purposes of pushing back against the inherent racial not not even intentional, just the inherent natural racist impact of the [ __ ] that we operate in.

[00:52:31]>> And and now we're at the point where the Southern Poverty Law Center is getting sued and being and and being told Think about the [ __ ] mirror world we're in.

[00:52:40]>> They telling us that the Southern Poverty Law Center is funding the KKK, the same KKK that somehow voted for Donald Trump, >> right?

[00:52:49]>> And they telling us this with a straight face.

[00:52:52]>> They're telling us this with a straight face.

[00:52:54]>> So So I mean, so pointed out, we're we're in a post-racial society, are we not?

[00:53:01]>> I thought we I thought we got over things. I thought we you know, the Barack Obama was on Ellen singing in mom jeans and like so that really brought everybody together and that proves that >> Come on. Come on. I was >> I was I'm glad you did. I was thinking about hitting it.

[00:53:19]>> My bad. What you saying?

[00:53:21]>> No, that's just me. [laughter] >> I just I'm glad you hit that [ __ ] real sweet. I'm always going to hit it.

[00:53:27]Anytime [ __ ] talk about Obama blackness or whether or not he was cool, that's I'm going just hit him with the >> Yeah, [laughter] >> it was even that good. But [ __ ] you know what I'm saying? Like >> So the question what I want to know from y'all is how like >> how do y'all think we got here? Like how do how did we get to a point to where the voting rights act like blatant civil rights legislation is being told like nah we gotta pull that [ __ ] back?

[00:53:56]>> I wrote about this in my substack article today actually. I'm trying to find the part that I >> cross promo, >> you know, >> by the ability of Donald Trump to place [ __ ] terrible people in the Supreme Court and the very intentional and targeted barring and banning of Barack Obama to be able to instill people who were capable enough to defend the Constitution by all means in those positions. Cuz like we can talk about socially how things have degraded. You can talk about how the uniqueness of, you know, uh, this term of Donald Trump and how, you know, he's been able to untangle and tear up everything so quickly, but the honest truth is that he started that process so long ago. He started that process with Amy Coney Barrett, with uh, Gorsuch, with um, um, what's the drunk man? Um, Kavanaaugh, right? And we that these things have been [ __ ] Clarence Thomas' ass won't move the [ __ ] around. Like, how did it get here? It is that people have been elevated to the top highest positions.

[00:54:53]is the last vanguard, the last line of defense to save the sanctity of what the Constitution had become. And because, you know, they were doing [ __ ] even after Donald Trump got impeached in his first term, still allowing his choice for Supreme Court justice to move in.

[00:55:06]Like, do you not, the [ __ ] already didn't get removed from office, HE DOESN'T LOSE ANY SPECIAL PRIVILEGES. The least we could have said was, "You don't get to promote nobody. Don't get to put nobody on the court. Shame on you.

[00:55:14]You're not even a real president. We just waiting on you to see yourself out." But no, they couldn't even do that, right? Whereas Barack Obama was barred for I forgot the reasons or the explanations plug. Mike can remind us.

[00:55:23]>> Yeah, it was just that they didn't uh that they didn't they wanted to they didn't want to do a uh what is it? A confirmation during an election.

[00:55:32]>> Yes.

[00:55:33]>> They wanted to they wanted to allow the American people to decide who they wanted to put in that in that uh Supreme Court position.

[00:55:40]>> So that that's my answer for how we got where we got is that the wrong people got put strategically put in the wrong spots and now we're really really really suffering for it in ways that hurt. uh leak.

[00:55:52]>> Yeah, that I think that and the same people that said that turned around and confirmed one of Donald Trump's, you feel me, appointees after he got impeached. Like literally a month after he was impeached, they confirmed, you know, the last one that he got in. Was it Amy Coar? It was Amy.

[00:56:08]>> Amy Amy Con, you know, that's that's that's crazy.

[00:56:13]But from the from the research I did today, now that I know what I'm saying, pulled it back up. Um it was the 1950s when the states was able to invoke the states rights where they were first starting to figure out how to weaponize that 14th amendment. And what they said is that uh uh is that colorblindness.

[00:56:30]Well, what they say at that point was that they were trying to defend segregation by saying that that uh by saying that the states rights should override the federal government.

[00:56:41]That didn't work.

[00:56:43]>> They lost.

[00:56:44]>> Yeah.

[00:56:44]>> So then >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then in the 70s and 80s they argued the conservatives argued that colorblindness in the 14th amendment should not allow race consciousness remedies and then they had to fix discrimination. They won. This was how they first started being able to pitch affirmative action.

[00:57:04]>> So then they started out how to say that. So, so, so this when we start seeing how the color blindness trope >> gets codified in the law and this how it start to be kind of uh uh how it started to be um legitimized through conversations.

[00:57:20]>> But look though, this is how they this is how they kind of skirted around that though. The majority decision argues that there are instances in which the we like you should have race-based maps.

[00:57:34]There are instances when that should happen.

[00:57:36]The issue is that they're saying that because because the conversation of politics and race is so intertwined that it's the plaintiff's responsibility. So the people making the claim about racism, they have to >> disconnect that.

[00:57:52]>> They have to provide enough evidence to to show not just impact but intent.

[00:57:58]>> And and and and so there are cases where you could say that intent was clearly there. And one of the cases is 2016 M uh McCroy uh v N uh NAACP v McCroy in North Carolina and the saw with >> what's up.

[00:58:17]>> I said talk to me.

[00:58:18]>> You was you was turning the heat up on the pot. We was telling to keep [laughter] ahead.

[00:58:22]>> So so in 2016 NAACP McCroy in North Carolina what the what the state government did was they looked specific.

[00:58:30]They requested racial data. They requested racial voting data. They looked specifically at what black people did in terms of their voting habits and used that racial data to create laws that specifically impacted uh that specifically impacted black communities.

[00:58:48]And the reason why the Supreme Court in that decision went with the lower court's decision is because the lower court found that if you look at the data that they requested and what they did with that data that even the court said that what they were doing in North Carolina targeted black voters with almost surgical precision.

[00:59:05]That's the language they use. So there are like so what they doing is they're saying like yeah there are instances where we can admit like because they can't deny it at this point. There are instances where we can admit that that racial intent has been used, but now it's like y'all have to prove it. And we know as critical race theory scholars, as you know what I'm saying, as as uh uh uh Afropesimists, we recognize the unique danger in neutral language. And even Donald Trump in his in his truth about this decision, he specifically said, "Yes, intentional racism. It has to be intentional racism." So, what the Supreme Court is signaling lowkey is that we're completely fine with accidental racism. If we go after Democrats and it [ __ ] over [ __ ] that's okay.

[00:59:54]>> So be it.

[00:59:56]>> So, >> knowing who votes majority, like it's just all so tiring, right? Because it is so calculated and so meticulous. I mean, and again, like we had talked a couple weeks ago just about how we kind of get into these places. And that's because I think the mindset of dem current Democrats is just not so salacious. It's just they I don't think their imagination goes as far enough as how Republicans and conservative politics have been able to go to really feel figure out how to defang and to undermine the principles that have, you know, been the core of the evolution of the Constitution, how we understand it for hundreds of years. Like just the the appetite to do some really [ __ ] up [ __ ] I just don't think it hits in the same way for Democrats as it does for Republicans. And that is the thing that I think I am the most fascinated by is just how >> how strong strongly ideologically the divisions are. But on one side it's like we just want to try to make everything fair and accessible for better or for worse. Even if it means we go for broke.

[01:00:56]Everybody get a piece of something.

[01:00:58]Everybody get and over here she's like no [ __ ] everybody. Only a couple certain people. Everybody else good luck. Live life for yourself. Oh yeah. Kill everybody. Let people suffer. Let people die. Good writtens. Like damn. It's just so hot and cold in terms of the orientations toward the application of the law and of politics. It will never fail to blow my mind.

[01:01:17]>> Like just literally Democrats will have multiple years in office, multiple terms, multiple candidates, multiple people, and nobody ever thought to do the [ __ ] the Republicans are doing.

[01:01:26]Nobody ever, I think, went far. They never had the audacity to present it as a viable option to the American people.

[01:01:32]But we have a different party and a different orientation toward politics.

[01:01:35]They said, "Oh, [ __ ] it. Put it all out there. untangle it all and do it right in their face and dare them to do something about it. And that's just wild that we're even in this predicament and in this situation.

[01:01:44]>> Yeah. Yeah. Which ironically enough.

[01:01:48]>> What you say?

[01:01:49]>> Yeah. I want to pull up to get to give a visual. You know what I'm saying? It's to give a visual so to see because some of us are visual learners. You feel me?

[01:01:58]Feel sorry for you if you listening to this on Spotify hard music. If you don't know, we available on there as well. But on the left, we got a current map that show that Democrats or specifically these are black areas that have black representation. Because I know a lot of times we use bipartisan language to discursively move around how this is where [ __ ] is at and how there are even a lot of establishment Democrats that don't even think about how [ __ ] is down in these areas. And that's the reason why they don't invest a lot of those donor money. A lot of that black money they have, they don't they don't invest it with the black folks. So what you see on the right side though is a plausible scenario where you see a whole bunch of black majority districts in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, New York, and South Carolina and Tennessee all lose seats, all lose representations where you see it go from 24 to Republicans gaining 12 and making it where it's literally only like six stronghold districts. is very very very very small that would dilute the power that they have. And for people that's listening, it's not just about the voting right act. It's not just about voting. It's about all the infrastructure that we've been able to build based off of how we've been able to use that particular act.

[01:03:15]>> Yeah.

[01:03:15]>> So it's healthare. It's education.

[01:03:18]>> Yeah.

[01:03:18]>> It's housing.

[01:03:20]>> All these things are impacts of the Voting Right Act of 60 65. We are poised to lose the most black political seats historically with the passage of this [ __ ] because again this is about majority minority districts. These are districts that were specifically created to cure desperate impacts in voting, right? So like that this is also why I feel like I was always against the gerrymander conversation even with the Democrats >> because like y'all think Democrats y'all not y'all don't have that type of leverage like okay Gavin Newsome was able to do what he was doing and they was able to do what they did in Virginia but now because conservative control of the Supreme Court they was like okay bet watch this y'all going to try to jerrymander in y'all states we got a whole section of the country that's the reason why the Voting Rights Act existed in the first So if you thought we weren going to turn him up, you got to be out your mind.

[01:04:18]>> So we can like you can we can literally lose half Democrats can lose half the seats and these seats will belong to black lawmakers.

[01:04:26]>> Majority of these seats will belong to lawmakers of color.

[01:04:30]>> Liberal Dan Radio uh has been in the comments really bumping some stuff and your comments been thick. You've been talking to us. We appreciate that. So, I haven't really been able to read and take in everything, but hopefully everybody else in the chat is really paying attention to what's on these feeds and y'all talking to each other while we have this conversation. But more specifically in relationship to Louisiana, they say, "I live in Louisiana. Troy Carter is my rep. I think they're going to not only get rid of the Cleo Fields district, but they'll also try to get rid of the second, giving black v voters zero power in Louisiana." And that's what I was talking about before is that these are not down the road. These are not implications that we'll see later. There have been already ballots signed and submitted. This is election underway and because of these SCOTUS decisions, they are halting an election. It it's unprecedented. That doesn't happen. By the way, you don't interrupt elections that are already in progress. If it's already in progress, you at least wait to apply the new terms and conditions to the new slate of ballots that is set out in a different election. But there are deep investments to stop everything to make the record record scratch immediately, you know. So people don't have any leverage as a lot of these special elections as these different kind of elections up until November have been happening and they've been happening over the last few months.

[01:05:37]Democrats have been experiencing wins and victories in different places across the country because of these kind of more intermediate elections and now all [clears throat] of that is going to be undermined.

[01:05:45]>> Not to mention that the redistricting conversation in Virginia is being held up in by a conservative federal judge in that state and so everything is not official there. considered and perceived that everything and that the outcomes of that election or the decision to redistrict will be permanent, but that could also change, which only goes to the plug's point about how getting into the this arms race with re with redistricting. Now, I think states like Iowa, it's a whole bunch of purple states who are now playing with the idea of making some decisions that make them more deeply um blue states, but then you got other red states that's ready to go and play the game, too. So now it's a whole game of chicken and a whole game of who can last the longest till the midterms and beyond. And that's already an election that for a bunch of different other separate reasons. It's already very delicate and already hanging in the balance for Democrats to be able to have the blue wave that they want and that they anticipate. But it's a whole lot more [ __ ] they got up their sleeve to stop that from happening. And now we on the train that ain't going back to the station. You know what I'm saying? Like it's wicked.

[01:06:46]>> Yeah. So y'all stay tuned, man. And I'm going to keep I'm I'm really this [ __ ] the Southern Poverty Law Center. This [ __ ] I'm definitely I'm definitely about to be on pretty hard for the next couple weeks cuz I feel like they playing in our face for real. For real. You know, no. And [ __ ] is more invested in Meg the Stallion and [ __ ] Klay Thompson and what the [ __ ] is going on with like literally the the slew of [ __ ] voter suppression laws and lawsuits and all type of [ __ ] that's come about to come out the woodwork for this. Now, that's not to say that a lot of these places don't have good cases for racial intent and racial discrimination like what we s saw in North Carolina, right? So, some of these places are are going to be able to def defend why this [ __ ] was needed.

[01:07:27]Uh, but it it threatens a lot of other places specifically especially in place in in other places that may not be in the south but be, you know, purple like George was speaking to like places like Ohio. You know what I'm saying? That you you never know. Uh, so yeah. So y'all stay tuned on that. We going we gonna keep we gonna keep folks updated.

[01:07:51]>> Coming from Cali in Vegas, voting in Texas in Humble and realizing how it feels for your vote not to count is a reality that a whole lot more black voters are about to start feeling the reality of which then brings us back to the apathy that people have developed for this whole process. Because you know what I'm saying? Just based off how you live, nobody gives a [ __ ] >> Well, they said other platforms are saying the exact opposite.

[01:08:14]That's what I'm saying, bro. Like, this is what I mean by like the conversations that should matter to us, like the legacy of black people. If you give a [ __ ] about the legacy of black people, civil rights legislation, civil rights, the impact of civil rights policies, infrastructure, things that came out of civil rights, you should care about.

[01:08:32]>> If you give a [ __ ] about the legacy of black people, you should care about anything that came out of the black struggle that produced systemic change being undermined. Period. I don't give a [ __ ] about FBA, [ __ ] none of the other [ __ ] [ __ ] is claiming, gender, all that [ __ ] is wholly irrelevant when [ __ ] are being actively disenfranchised in your face.

[01:08:55]But anyway, that's I we'll go for another [ __ ] hour [ __ ] with me.

[01:08:59][laughter] Uh, go ahead, close this out, [clears throat] Lee.

[01:09:05]Um, man, right now a lot of people are trying to perform a bunch of revolutionary aesthetics. And I think that I would encourage you, I would encourage you to really dig down in some of those revolutionary texts that y'all are trying to perform and really getting that. I think for a lot of my uh more liberal moderate people, you know what I'm saying, that's listening to this chat right now, that's listening to this live stream, that's listening to this maybe in your call headed to the workspace. Um when you start thinking about the the ways that you've been believing in, you know, I mean, the law and the mechanisms mechanisms of it, I think you should kind of reflect and think about what that means moving forward, especially because the court is supposed to uphold those laws is now being [ __ ] in our faces. um to the younger generation that may be using uh losing a little bit of hope, you know what I'm saying? Maybe feeling a little doom and gloom. Um I hope that when you tune in to the chop up and when you tune in to whatever you tune in to is giving you a little bit of understanding of how to define the phenomenon and make it act in a desired manner. Um for everybody else and in between um we cannot go with business as usual like this is not a drill. Um, a lot of the things that we learned about in the 1950s and the 1960s, um, there was a culmination of legislation that allowed for us to kind of get to where we at right now. You know what I'm saying? So, we easing back on to like literal like Jim Crow, uh, sharecropping.

[01:10:36]Um, you better not look this white person in the eye. Oh, you want to vote?

[01:10:39]Um, was your great-grandfather was able to vote? Oh, he wasn't. Ooh. A lot of our grandparents is born in in that era.

[01:10:49]>> Yeah.

[01:10:50]>> So [snorts] that means whoever born with them, they not going to be able to vote.

[01:10:54]And some of us even got older grandparents that is like, "Ah man, yeah, we ain't even got to go back that far." So it's not just some mumbo jumbo [ __ ] This ain't something you could just fake the funk out of. Think about this last end like this. In this virtual social media world that we live in, Donald Trump is currently with the FBI created a commission where they're able to go after what they call domestic terrorists here in the United States.

[01:11:20]If you have beliefs or you've made statements on the on this here internet, the same internet you listening to us is on.

[01:11:27]They're trying to institutionalize a way to go after you as a domestic terrorist of the state. Mhm.

[01:11:33]>> And when you and when you remove mechanisms that's supposed to be able to, you know what I'm saying, protect you and make it where they can't enforce the law in that particular way, it starts to make it where a lot of us be able to come be able to be came for.

[01:11:46]And from the very things you tweeted, from the very things you posted, it was anti-American. It was anti-democratic.

[01:11:54]Oh, it challenged the family structure.

[01:11:56]Oh, it challenged Christianity. Oh, you challenged the, you know what I'm saying, leadership. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. Trump administration, FBI task force, domestic terrorist. Those are the three terms you look up. FBI, Trump administration, domestic terrorists. Look that up.

[01:12:15]>> When we know that all the evidence points to the greatest threat to domestic safety being white nationalists, white supremacists, and those who spread that rhetoric, >> we know this.

[01:12:26][clears throat] >> I'mma take the last word so we can push the button and call it good. But I got to say thank you to Brandon. uh Brandon Brown in the comments. Thank you for showing us love. Drop a $10 super chat on us just to really say thank y'all. Um which is, you know, the labor of love that we do as family, as Chop Nation, as you know, folks who love coming together with y'all. I know y'all like, man, y'all inconsistent. Y'all do. We We fighting a good fight like y'all are, right? I'm in the first year of a tenure track program. The consciously is always flirting with this over here, this conference, this moment, this situation.

[01:12:55]You see our legal scholar and our political scholar here uh coming with the case law coming with the specific times and dates and stuff like that because he you know ripping and running at the at a law firm right now. So we all just >> master degree too what >> his master degree >> so you know what I'm saying like if y'all ever looking for the family we never too far away we always trying to stay connected with y'all. Thank you for authentically Erica for showing love. Uh JM uh J P uh Liberal Dan. Liberal Dan by the way wanted to make a clarification.

[01:13:28]Liberal Dan said FYI was named Liberal Dan by a conservative talk show host. My political ideology is definitely more progressive left etc. So we feel you right. Like >> you ain't got to explain yourself at all. But you know what I'm saying? Like even cultural unity been in here. Vegas girl been talking to us. Of course, Miss Man been in the comments cutting up and also just adding so much value to the conversation. So much texture, so much substance. Willie Beoot Tyler is a fool.

[01:13:53]He said he ain't paying he don't pay taxes, he ain't going to pay no taxes.

[01:13:56]He ain't paying no taxes today kind of he he get on the up and up and get on his feet and they put money back on his check how it's supposed to be. And since they ain't doing that [ __ ] he ain't doing that [ __ ] And I respect it. I respect it. Um, but more than the respect is love. And so, thank y'all, Chop Nation, for rocking with us tonight. Our intent is to be back next week to drop something next Thursday.

[01:14:14]But be looking out because we talking about new times, new days, new windows.

[01:14:17]Even if you miss it in real time, you can also always run it back on uh YouTube. It's always a chance to get that playback. We are back on Apple Pods, right? And we back on Spotify. So, if you want to just get in the whip with it, you don't want to look at us, but you don't want to hear from us, put us in your headphones because we're back on those platforms uh with the podcasting and really kind of, you know, making it bigger that way. We're back on Facebook Live. We ain't been on Facebook Live in like some years, y'all. So, shout out to the Facebook fam for tapping in with us.

[01:14:44]We love y'all so much. But just know we out here. We back with you. We took a little break for the spring. A spring break, if you will, but we back. We getting our feet back up under us. We can't wait to more conversations with y'all. We love you. We appreciate you.

[01:14:57]We up and we out. Be good. Talk to y'all soon. Chop nation out of here. There's the chopper.