Caller INSISTS We SECRETLY Know God Exists?! | Justin DZ & Paulogia

Added: 2026-06-04

[00:00:00]All right, Jack, all the way from the UK is an agnostic.

[00:00:03]Says apples and bananas as it relates to the fall, I think of humans, perhaps.

[00:00:09]Jack, you're on the line with Justin and Paul. How are you?

[00:00:14]Hi. How are you?

[00:00:17]Good.

[00:00:21]How many apples make a banana?

[00:00:26]Hmm, on the molecular level? Like, can we can we break down an apple on the molecular level and build it into a banana?

[00:00:40]Yes.

[00:00:42]In the UK, we got apple bananas. How many apples make a banana?

[00:00:50]I mean, I don't I don't know. Paul, do you know?

[00:00:53]I got to be honest, Jack. I I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I I I I've had I've eaten both an apple and a banana in the last 24 hours, but I don't understand the question.

[00:01:09]I'm glad you're keeping up with your five a day.

[00:01:13]Well, that's what we call in the UK, five a day.

[00:01:17]Apples, bananas, well, fruit, veg.

[00:01:22]That's Can I ask what looks like a joke question, yeah?

[00:01:33]Uh you're going to have to give us something to let us know you're you're actually a caller who wants to have a conversation, Jack. What's what what do you got? Yes.

[00:01:46]I'd like to genuinely ask, what is the point of the show?

[00:01:57]The point of the show is generally to discuss what people believe and why and whether and you know, discuss the epistemology, discuss conclusions, that kind of thing and generally around theistic God-related claims.

[00:02:17]Yes, but if you disagree with a Christian or Muslim or agnostic you'll leave it at that or you'll just say they're lying.

[00:02:32]And you know God exists.

[00:02:38]Okay, there we go. So I So we know God exists, Jack? Is that Is that what the claim is?

[00:02:46]Justin and I both know that God exists.

[00:02:50]Absolutely.

[00:02:51]Okay.

[00:02:52]So would you agree that the thing that we can know best is the content of our thoughts?

[00:03:01]Like even if the even if we're in a matrix, we know the content of our own thoughts, right?

[00:03:10]No.

[00:03:13]All of our thoughts come from the God Almighty above.

[00:03:20]Jack, you're you're you've just made a claim that you know our thoughts better than we know our thoughts.

[00:03:29]Do you agree that that's the claim you made?

[00:03:32]So you How can you know the content of my thoughts better than I do?

[00:03:41]Because of God Almighty above.

[00:03:45]What about God Almighty above lets you know my thoughts better than I know my thoughts?

[00:03:52]No, I don't.

[00:03:54]God Almighty above doesn't.

[00:03:58]Well, you you called in to tell us what our thoughts are, so you must know our thoughts.

[00:04:06]No, you don't mention thoughts, no me.

[00:04:09]Well, you Oh, so you You don't be honest.

[00:04:13]But you've No, you told us that we know God exists. You agree that knowing things has to do with thoughts, right?

[00:04:24]No, you're just trying to get twisted, no.

[00:04:27]Can I Can I know something and not have that knowledge be a thought?

[00:04:38]No, people God Almighty, no.

[00:04:42]Every thought comes from some great man above.

[00:04:48]Did uh Did the man above tell you my thoughts?

[00:04:57]No, he creates them.

[00:05:01]But you called you again, you called in and told me what my thoughts are.

[00:05:06]It seems your claim conflicts with my knowledge of my own thoughts.

[00:05:11]So, I'm wondering how we're breaking this tie. You keep saying the man above.

[00:05:16]Did God tell you >> No.

[00:05:19]No. Did God tell you that I believe in him? Yeah, that Is this Paul and speaking to Y- Yes.

[00:05:32]Yes.

[00:05:33]So, God told you that Paul believes in God.

[00:05:38]>> the enlightenment.

[00:05:40]You won't appreciate it, no.

[00:05:43]You don't want me lying?

[00:05:46]You're lying.

[00:05:48]What am I lying about?

[00:05:54]You were claiming that I called about your thoughts or something.

[00:06:01]Oh, no. You I know you called about I know you called with the weird question about apples and bananas. I'm saying you called you made a claim on this call that is much more interesting than anything you had to say about apples and bananas.

[00:06:11]And so that's what I want to talk about because it's related to the topic of the show.

[00:06:18]It seems like God told you what Justin and I are thinking.

[00:06:24]No.

[00:06:26]No. No. No. So, do you do you take do you take back your claim that we believe in God?

[00:06:35]I never said you believe in God.

[00:06:37]No. You said we know God ex- What did what did you say, Jack? Did you say that we know God exists?

[00:06:47]No.

[00:06:50]Right.

[00:06:51]I'd like your call screen that to go back.

[00:06:55]And play that alleged comment.

[00:07:00]And then I'll explain to you.

[00:07:04]Nothing was said about you know or I know that God exists. You told us Am I crazy, Justin? Did he not tell us that we know God exists?

[00:07:15]That was the claim, uh, which I feel like is just circular at this point.

[00:07:20]Okay.

[00:07:21]>> our thoughts because God exists and God exists because we know he exists.

[00:07:28]No.

[00:07:31]Yeah. Yeah, you told her, right? I said You said something about thought and I said, "All you were told uh, comes from the God Almighty.

[00:07:42]I'm entitled to do.

[00:07:44]We We disagree.

[00:07:46]You've got a circular argument. You have to prove that God exists before you get to make the claim that you know our thoughts because your God exists.

[00:07:54]And then you got to prove that doesn't exist.

[00:07:58]Nope, we don't actually cuz you made the claim not us.

[00:08:06]That's a fallacy.

[00:08:08]It's not a fallacy. It's asking you to support your claim. Um asking for support for a claim is like a principle in argumentation. You make a claim, we say we don't believe you.

[00:08:18]How can you demonstrate the truthfulness of that claim? And then it's your job to demonstrate the truthfulness of the claim. If we started by making the claim when you came in, God is not real and here's why, you could ask, well, what's the support for that claim? And I would give you support for that claim. But you came in with the claim and we're asking you for the support for your claim.

[00:08:43]And I'm asking you how many apples make a bananas?

[00:08:48]Oh boy. Oh.

[00:08:49]Uh Paul, are we done here? Yeah, we're done.

[00:08:52]Yep, thank you.

[00:08:53]I'm just going to I'll pop that guy down and uh 42.

[00:08:59]That was That was painful. I tried to be charitable, but I don't >> Yeah.

[00:09:07]We'll We'll see what the next caller has for us. Yeah, he was rubbing me so a particular grating of mine is when when Christians do claim to know my thoughts.

[00:09:17]That's just a particular bugaboo I have.

[00:09:19]So I feel like if your argument relies on mind reading, you're going to have a hard time supporting the argument.

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