What Happened To MACV-SOG Teams Lost In Laos !?

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[00:00:01]They were never there. That is the official position of the United States government for the better part of a decade. The men who crossed the border into Laos under the operational umbrella of MAQVS, the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Studies and Observations Group, did not exist in any document that could be released, acknowledged, or discussed in public. Their missions were classified at a level above top secret. Their losses were not reported through standard casualty channels. When they were killed, their families were told as little as possible. When they were captured, the government's options were limited by the fact that it could not admit they had been where they were taken. When they disappeared entirely, no body, no capture confirmation, no wreckage, nothing. They entered a category that the American military had no adequate framework for and no comfortable language to describe. They became the missing. Not missing in the way that a conventional soldier is missing in the chaos of a large battle where the recordkeeping fails and the body is simply not recovered. Missing in a more complete sense. Missing in a sense that meant we sent you somewhere we cannot officially admit exists. And we cannot explain your absence without explaining where you went. And we cannot explain where you went without admitting what we were doing there. While widen the fine men, their names are on lists.

[00:01:18]Their cases are still open. Their families waited for decades for answers that the classification system made structurally impossible to provide. This is the story of what MacVS was, what it sent into Laos, what happened to the teams that did not come back, and what the surviving men and the historical record slowly, incompletely, painfully have managed to piece together about what the missing found at the end of their last mission. Before we get into the operations themselves, if you are new here, this channel covers the military history that the official record tends to compress into a footnote or emit entirely the decisions made off the books, the missions that were not supposed to happen in places that were not supposed to be involved. If that is the history you want, subscribe now, hit the like button, turn on notifications, and drop a comment below. Tell us what you already know about Macfest or what you want to know. We post a new video every 2 days. We read every comment. Now back to the border. Back to what was waiting on the other side of it. Maske was activated in January 1964. Its full designation, Military Assistance Command, Vietnam Studies and Observations Group, was deliberately chosen to obscure its actual function.

[00:02:31]There was no studying. There were no observations in the academic sense.

[00:02:35]MACVSOG was a covert special operations task force operating under the authority of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the CIA conducting missions into North Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and southern China that the United States government officially denied were happening. The operational component that concerns us here was called Operation Prairie Fire and before that operation shining brass. These were the crossber reconnaissance and direct action missions into Laos, specifically into the network of roads, trails, supply lines, and base areas that the North Vietnamese army had built through Le Oceanian territory to move men and material into South Vietnam. This network is known to history as the Ho Chi Min Trail. What that name conveys is a single trail. What it actually was by the mid 1960s was a system of roads, paths, weigh stations, fuel depots, weapons caches, troop billets, and anti-aircraft positions spread across hundreds of kilometers of triple canopy jungle in a country that had officially declared its neutrality and into which American forces were officially prohibited from entering. The prohibition was a legal and diplomatic fiction that both sides maintained because it was convenient. The North Vietnamese maintained it because it gave them the ability to use Le Oceanian territory as a sanctuary to resupply and reinforce their forces in the south through a corridor that American conventional forces were not permitted to interdict. The Americans maintained it because the alternative, acknowledging that a neutral country had been converted into a major military logistics corridor by a belligerent power, required either accepting that reality or responding to it in ways that carried serious escalation risks with China and the Soviet Union. MACVS was the response that fit between those constraints. Small teams, deniable, operating without uniforms that would identify them as American military in any meaningful legal sense. inserted by helicopter often at night into areas of Laos where they had no official right to be to gather intelligence on North Vietnamese army movements call in air strikes on trail infrastructure and occasionally conduct direct action missions against highv value targets the teams were called recon teams or RTS each one was a small unit typically two or three American special forces soldiers designated one 0 1 1 and one two the team leader and his assistant leaders accompanied lead by four to eight indigenous personnel, usually Montineyard tribesmen or nungs, recruited and trained specifically for crossber work. The indigenous members were not Vietnamese. They were ethnic minorities with their own histories, their own reasons for fighting, and their own understanding of the jungle that most American soldiers, however well-trained, could not fully match. The one zero was the team leader. This was not a position assigned by rank in the conventional sense. It was a position earned by demonstrated competence in one of the most demanding operational environments in the history of American special operations. A one zero who could keep his team alive through a full tour of crossber work in Laos was a rare and specific kind of professional. Someone who had internalized a level of situational awareness, tactical judgment, and controlled aggression that training could shape but not entirely produce. Either you had it or you did not. The teams that survived tended to have it. The teams that did not survive often did not lack it. Sometimes the odds were simply not beatable regardless of how good you were. Offered giddy were with meational area in Laos was divided into sectors designated by letters. The teams operated in areas where the North Vietnamese army presence was not incidental. It was massive. By the mid 1960s, the NVA had deployed entire divisions into the Le Oceanian panhandle to protect and operate the trail. They had established base areas designated by American intelligence as base areas 604, 6-1, 6-7, and others that functioned as forward staging zones, logistical hubs, and command centers. These were not lightly held positions. They were defended by infantry, artillery, anti-aircraft systems, and the particular advantage that comes from knowing the terrain intimately and having built the infrastructure through it over years. A six-man recon team inserted into base Area 61 was not conducting operations in disputed territory. It was operating in the middle of an NVA military installation.

[00:06:55]The insertion itself, a helicopter dropping into a small landing zone cut from the jungle canopy or into a rgeline clearance, under fire or potentially under observation, was itself one of the most dangerous moments of the mission.

[00:07:08]If the LZ was hot, if the NVA had observed the insertion or had the area under surveillance, the team could be compromised before it had taken 10 steps from the helicopter. What happened to teams that were compromised varied. Some fought their way to an extraction point and got out. Some did not make it to the extraction point. Some requested immediate extraction under fire and were pulled out by helicopters that themselves took heavy casualties trying to reach them. Some requested extraction and the extraction failed. Some stopped communicating entirely. The ones who stopped communicating, that is where this story becomes the hardest to tell and the most necessary. Recon Team Iowa disappeared in November 1968. The team was inserted into an area of Laos designated as particularly active. NVA traffic on the trail in that sector had been high and the intelligence requirement was to get eyes on a specific junction where multiple trail routes converged. The team consisted of one zero Sergeant Firstclass Ronald Pew, two additional American team members and five indigenous personnel. They were inserted on a Tuesday morning. They made one radio contact that afternoon reporting their position and initial observations. Then nothing, no further contact, no distress signal, no emergency beacon, nothing. The extraction helicopters went in on the scheduled date. They found no one at the extraction point. They made multiple passes. They took ground fire. They did not find the team. Search and rescue operations continued for three days.

[00:08:36]They found no bodies, no equipment, no sign of what had happened. Ronald Pew was listed as missing in action. He remained listed as missing in action for decades. His case was reviewed multiple times by the Defense PMEA accounting agency and its predecessor organizations. Witnesses, including former NVA soldiers interviewed after the war, provided accounts that suggested RT Iowa had been ambushed within hours of insertion, that the team had been surrounded, and that resistance had been brief. The specifics of what happened to the individual team members, whether they were killed in the ambush, captured, and subsequently executed, or died in captivity, were never definitively established. Pug's family waited. They waited through the end of the war. They waited through the normalization of relations with Vietnam.

[00:09:23]They waited through the establishment of joint search and recovery operations in the 1980s and 1990s. Some remains were recovered in the area where RT Iowa had operated. DNA analysis provided a partial identification. Partial, not complete. The case remains open. That word open does a great deal of work in the world of M. Voggs missing. It means unresolved. It means we have not stopped looking. It also means we have not found what we need to find. For the families of the men on those teams, open is not a comfortable word. Open means the question does not have an answer yet.

[00:10:01]Open means the waiting continues. There were teams lost before Iowa and there were teams lost after it. And the pattern across them taken together tells a story about the operational reality of crossber work in Laos that the classification system suppressed for years and that is still not fully in the public record. The NVA knew the Americans were coming. Not always in advance, not for every specific mission, but structurally operationally. The trail was the most important logistic system the North Vietnamese had. They knew it was a target. They knew small teams were being inserted to surveil and interdict it. They responded by developing a counter reconnaissance capability that was by the late 1960s specifically designed to find, fix, and destroy MACVs teams operating in their area. The counter reconnaissance units were called tracker teams by the Americans. They operated in the base areas and along the trail corridors with the specific mission of locating inserted recon teams and pursuing them to destruction. They were good at it.

[00:11:00]They understood the terrain. They understood the patterns of movement that small teams used. They understood that a team that had been inserted would eventually try to extract from a limited number of suitable LZ's and that the approach to those LZs was predictable if you had enough knowledge of the ground.

[00:11:16]Staff Sergeant Robert Howard, who received the Medal of Honor for his actions in Laos in missions that were officially not happening in a place American forces officially were not, described the NVA tracker teams in interviews given after the war. He said they were patient in a way that his training had not fully prepared him for.

[00:11:33]He said they did not always come at you directly. Sometimes they positioned themselves between you and your extraction point and waited. Sometimes they let you move for a day or two before closing in to make sure they had identified the full team before they acted. He said fighting them was different from fighting a conventional NVA unit because they were doing exactly what his teams were trying to do. Small, careful, operating by fieldcraft rather than firepower. and they were doing it on ground they knew better than he did.

[00:12:01]Howard survived multiple compromised missions in Laos. He was wounded multiple times. He was awarded the Medal of Honor, the Distinguished Service Cross, and eight Purple Hearts across his time with MV SOG. He is one of the most decorated soldiers in American history. He survived. Many of the men he served with did not. Recon Team Nevada was compromised in April 1969 during an operation into base Area 604. The team's one zero was Staff Sergeant Lonnie Lack.

[00:12:30]The team made contact with an NVA tracker element approximately 6 hours after insertion. Lack called for extraction. The first extraction attempt was driven off by ground fire. A second attempt resulted in one of the extraction helicopters being shot down.

[00:12:44]The downed crew was itself now in need of rescue. A bright light team, MAC SOG's term for a rescue team specifically trained to go in after compromised recon elements was inserted.

[00:12:56]They found the downed helicopter crew.

[00:12:58]They did not find RT Nevada. Lack and the remaining team members were listed as missing. Postwar testimony from Vietnamese sources collected over decades by recovery teams and researchers suggested that elements of RT Nevada had been captured. The specifics, where they were taken, what happened to them in captivity, whether any survived the war were contested by different accounts and never definitively resolved. The question of prisoners is the most painful dimension of the MV so missing. It is painful because it requires sitting with a specific uncertainty. The possibility that men were alive after the war ended in captivity in Laos or Vietnam or possibly China and that the official response to that possibility was shaped as much by diplomatic and political calculation as by the genuine effort to find and recover them. The 1992 Senate Select Committee on Psmia Affairs, chaired by Senator John Kerry, with Senator John McCain as vicechairman, both Vietnam veterans, conducted an extensive investigation into the question of whether American prisoners of war had been left behind after 1973.

[00:14:04]The committee's final report acknowledged that the evidence was incomplete, that some individuals who had been listed as missing had almost certainly died in captivity and that the government's handling of PMIA cases had in some instances been inadequate. The report did not conclude that large numbers of prisoners had been deliberately abandoned. It acknowledged that the question could not be fully resolved with available evidence. Vashan Debans at MA4D personnel that conclusion was not closure. It was a more precisely worded version of the uncertainty they had been living with for 20 years. The specific character of that uncertainty was shaped by the classification system itself. The missions into Laos had been classified. The losses had been recorded through classified channels. The families of men who disappeared on crossber operations were told in many cases only that their husband or son or brother had been lost in Southeast Asia.

[00:14:56]The specific location, Laos base area 611, a trail junction that appeared on classified maps under a designation that meant nothing to a family in Ohio or Georgia or California, was withheld. The nature of the mission was withheld. The circumstances of the disappearance, to the extent they were known, were withheld. One, a family trying to understand what had happened to their person had almost nothing to work with.

[00:15:20]They had a name. They had a date. They had a photograph. They had the memory of a man who had left for Vietnam and not come back and who had been engaged before he left in work that he was not permitted to describe to them. Some families hired private investigators.

[00:15:35]Some connected with veteran networks and pieced together information through the informal channels that MV SOG veterans maintained long after the war. Some waited for the declassification process to release documents that might tell them something. The documents when they came were often heavily redacted. A page of text with half the sentences blacked out does not answer the question of what happened to a specific man on a specific day in a specific valley in Laos in 1969. The operational reality that those documents described when enough of it became available to read coherently was this. When went under Hanzane, the teams that went into Laos operated under conditions that their training had prepared them for as well as any training could. They were skilled. They were experienced. The best of them were among the finest light infantry soldiers in the world, and they were operating in an area where the enemy was present in overwhelming numbers, had developed specifically targeted countermeasures against their tactics, and had the advantage of terrain knowledge, infrastructure, and the patience that comes from fighting in your own strategic backyard rather than someone else's. The loss rate for MAVS crossber operations was by any conventional military metric, extraordinary.

[00:16:48]Different analyses produce different specific numbers depending on how losses are counted and which time periods are included. But the consistent finding across all of them is that recon teams operating in Laos sustained casualties at a rate that would have been considered unsustainable in conventional operations. The teams kept going anyway.

[00:17:06]This is not a statement about institutional recklessness, though institutional decisions about acceptable risk deserve scrutiny. It is a statement about the men themselves. They knew the odds. The veterans who survived multiple crossber tours knew the odds better than anyone. They kept going back. Sergeant Firstclass Jerry Shrivever was known to the men of MV Sog as Mad Dog. The nickname was not ironic and was not entirely accurate, but it captured something real about the quality of aggression that Shrivever brought to crossber work. He was one of the most experienced and effective one zeros in the program. He had completed more missions than almost anyone. He was, by the accounts of the men who served with him, exactly the kind of person that MV Sogo required. Someone who functioned at his best under the specific pressure that those missions generated, who made better decisions when the situation was most dangerous, who had an instinct for the terrain and the enemy that went beyond what could be taught. On April 24th, 1969, Jerry Shrivever led a team into base area 353 near the Cambodian border as part of a larger operation.

[00:18:12]The team made contact almost immediately upon insertion. The contact was not brief. The team was surrounded.

[00:18:18]Shrivever's last radio transmission described his position as overrun.

[00:18:22]Rescue operations were launched. They found evidence of the engagement. They did not find Shrivever or the missing team members. Jerry Shrivever was listed as missing in action. He has never been accounted for. His case is open. He was 27 years old. The question that his case and the cases of all the MAC visog missing forces is not comfortable to ask and not possible to answer cleanly. It is this. What obligation does a government have to the men it sends on missions it cannot officially acknowledge when those men are lost in ways it cannot officially describe in places it cannot officially admit they were. The answer the American government gave in practice over the decades following the war was inconsistent.

[00:19:03]There were genuine efforts to account for the missing, the joint recovery operations, the interviews with former NVA personnel, the forensic work in areas where teams had last been reported. There were also genuine failures, cases where evidence was available and not pursued, where diplomatic considerations delayed or limited recovery efforts, where the bureaucratic weight of a classification system designed for wartime continued to operate in peaceime in ways that served institutional convenience more than the families waiting for answers. The men who came back from mechvsoged crossber operations carried what they had seen in the way that men carry things they cannot fully describe to people who were not there. Many of them maintained the networks they had built during the war.

[00:19:44]They tracked the cases of the missing.

[00:19:46]They testified before congressional committees. They talked to journalists when the classification system was loosened enough to permit it. They went back to Southeast Asia, sometimes officially, sometimes not, to look for the men they had left behind. 10 Billy War who conducted more than 50 crossber missions into Laos and Cambodia during his time with MV SOG spent decades after the war working on PMEA cases. He traveled to Laos and Vietnam multiple times in the 1980s and 1990s under various official and unofficial arrangements to pursue leads on missing personnel. He described the experience in terms that were consistent with what other veterans said. The frustration of working against a system, both the American classification infrastructure and the Vietnamese and La Oceanian government's own layers of denial and controlled disclosure that made finding the truth structurally difficult, even when individual people on all sides wanted to cooperate. He said the hardest thing was not the physical difficulty of going back to places where he had nearly died. The hardest thing was sitting across from a family member of a missing man and explaining in terms that were both honest and bearable, that the information existed somewhere in the system, but that the system had not yet produced it in a form that could answer their specific question about their specific person. He said he was still doing that. He said he expected to be doing it until he could not anymore. The Defense PMEA accounting agency, the current organization responsible for accounting for American personnel missing from all conflicts, lists over 1,500 Americans still unaccounted for from the Vietnam War. Of those, a significant number are associated with operations in Laos. A significant subset of those are MACVs personnel. The accounting process continues. Remains are recovered and identified. Cases are closed not because the questions have been answered but because enough physical evidence has been recovered to establish a finding. Some cases will never be closed in that sense. The jungle does not preserve everything.

[00:21:45]Decades of recovery operations cannot recover what was never left. Some of the missing died in ways and in places that left no recoverable trace. Their accounting if it comes will come from documentary evidence and testimony rather than physical remains. Some of it will not come at all. Mayor has spin the dealade. The men who are still listed as missing from SEV SOG operations in Laos are not abstractions. They are the end point of a specific chain of decisions.

[00:22:12]The decision to conduct crossber operations in a country the United States officially respected as neutral.

[00:22:18]The decision to use small deniable teams rather than conventional forces. The decision to classify the operations in ways that made accounting for losses structurally difficult. the decision in some cases to continue inserting teams into areas where the loss rate should have prompted a reassessment of the mission. Those decisions were made by people whose names appear in the historical record and who in most cases survived the war and lived with what they had decided. The men whose names appear on the missing lists did not make those decisions. They executed them with the skill and the courage that the missions required in places they were not supposed to be doing things that were not supposed to be happening. What happened to them is in most cases approximately known. The ambushes, the overwhelming contact, the compromised extractions, the captivity, the specifics, the last minutes, the names of the individuals who were with them, what was said, are not known and in most cases will not become known. The jungle keeps what it takes. What is known is that they went, that the missions required someone to go and they went, that they understood as well as any soldier understands the odds on any given mission, what the odds were in Laos in 1969, and that they went anyway.

[00:23:29]The classification system that made their missions possible also made their losses invisible for years. When the invisibility began to be reversed slowly through declassification and congressional investigation and the work of veterans and researchers and families who refused to let the question be closed, what became visible was not a simple story of heroism or a simple story of institutional failure. It was both operating simultaneously with the same men in the middle. Jerry Shrivever is still listed as missing in action.

[00:23:59]Ronald Pew's case is still open. The men of Recon Team Nevada, Recon Team Iowa, and the dozens of other teams that disappeared into the La Oceanian jungle during Mac V. SOG's operational years are still carried on the roles of the unaccounted for. The teams that did come back came back with something that the men who had not been there could not fully receive. Not because the receivers lacked empathy, but because the experience did not translate cleanly into the categories of language that people who had not been to Laos had available to them. The one zeros who survived 20, 30, 40 crossber missions came home to a country that did not officially know they had been where they had been doing what they had done, losing the people they had lost. They knew the men who went in with them and did not come back knew in the last minutes of whatever happened to them that they were somewhere they were not supposed to be doing something that would not be acknowledged in the service of a strategy whose architects sat in offices in Washington and Saigon and would survive the war comfortably regardless of what happened in base area 611 on a Tuesday in November 1968. That knowledge, that specific irreducible knowledge of what it meant to be expendable in a way that the classification system made complete is the thing that the surviving one zeros carried out of Laos. They carried it for the rest of their lives and some of them are still carrying it. The cases are still open.