Trump is Attacking the Constitution (FULL SHOW)- Paul Craig Roberts and Gary Heavin

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[00:00:46]Craig and Gary, thank you so much for coming back. A lot happening. Let me uh let me date stamp this really quick.

[00:00:52]Today is uh Wednesday, May 27th, and it's 10:00 a.m. Pacific time. And uh Gary, we were just talking offline for a minute. And uh big night for you, you being a resident of Texas and uh Ken Paxton uh winning the primary. So congratulations, Becky. It was exciting. Uh you know, I'm not only a Texan, but I'm a member of Ken Paxton's finance committee. uh and uh for for him to win 65 to 35 last night uh was just amazing. You know, he he was running against uh a Washington insider man who'd been a a senator in Washington for 24 years. And in fact, uh before Thon was elected as the majority leader of the Senate, u uh Cornin was was just shy of becoming the Senate majority leader uh with with the Senate votes. And for for this prominent person with $120 million that came from the the this the senatorial funding and in Washington money uh against Paxton's 20 25 million uh and to win at 6535 is just extraordinary.

[00:02:15]And you know, it it gives me a lot of hope that that voters uh still matter.

[00:02:22]You know, we're going to talk about Thomas Massie where uh uh we saw just the opposite happen. So So thank goodness that uh that that the the voters of Texas voices were heard last night. Uh and it wasn't just a loud voice. It was a war 6535 against a a 24-year incumbent uh that almost was the Senate majority leader uh is just extraordinary. So, it was a big celebration around here last night uh to to to see him accomplish that. It's going to be interesting u uh what type of senator he becomes.

[00:03:03]You know, here in Texas, he's been fearless. Uh and he was elected because uh for example, you know, during the COVID crime, uh he pushed back on every possible thing he could to protect our rights. Uh uh mandates and and I mean, you name it. In fact, he's the only sitting uh attorney general in in of all the 50 states that has filed a a lawsuit against big pharma. So Ken has just been courageous and uh for the people. Uh he's done everything he he could to keep the border closed uh to to maintain our freedom of speech, our rights. You know, just last week, just one of so many examples, uh the the uh hospital in Houston, the Texas Children's Hospital, uh had been violating, according to the media, uh uh the billing codes, uh so that they could continue to pro provide trans surgeries on children and trans treatments on children. And Kim Paxton went after them and it was settled last week. They paid a $10 million fine and then they were forced to set up a retransition facility uh to retransition these kids uh uh free of charge. And that's just last week. That's just one example. So So this man has been courageous. And of course uh they tried to impeach him. Uh the Senate uh uh uh voted that he was innocent of it. They've gone after him in every possible way. He stood and fought over and over and over uh uh because that's who he is. That's his character. And by the way, if uh you know, you see the flack when you're over the target. Ken Paxton has been over the target for years. Uh and the people have have trusted him and reelected him and now uh he's our Republican nominee for the for the US Senate. And it's interesting, he's going to be running against us. uh he referred to uh Talico, you know, Telerico is the the Democrat uh uh nominee uh for for the Senate from Texas who is um uh let's just say strange. He he is the strangest candidate to to to ever rise to a national level in Texas politics.

[00:05:36]Uh believes there's six genders, for example.

[00:05:39]Uh he uh believes that abortion is biblical. Uh just so many crazy things out there. Guy's never been married. Uh he's only been a a local state rep.

[00:05:53]Never represented more than 200,000 people. Uh never ran for a statewide office. So, uh, I I'm really certain that Ken has a clear pathway to the US Senate, uh, in the general election that's coming up in in in November. So, it's a big night here. And, uh, and I think most of all that that that we still have a representative republic, at least here in Texas. Uh and and that's good news because we watched the the Massie massacre where uh tens of millions of Apac and billionaire Jewish donors went in and literally bought uh a house seat uh with with their money. So, this was a breath of fresh air and u I was glad to be close to it and and and support this.

[00:06:55]So, it's a good day today.

[00:06:59]>> Craig, thoughts on uh um Paxton and then we'll we'll shift over to Massie.

[00:07:07]>> Well, I think the way the media is playing it is misleading. They they say uh this really wasn't Paxton's win. It was Trump's win.

[00:07:20]And it shows uh Trump's power over the party and that um Paxton won because of uh Trump.

[00:07:32]I don't think that's true. I think Paxton won for the reasons uh Gary gave that he has proven himself as a uh a very brave and uh aggressive attorney general. Um, so I think the media is using this to build up Trump rather than to acknowledge that Paxton is the kind of guy people have been looking for.

[00:08:06]My own opinion is Paxton could do far more good as Texas attorney general.

[00:08:16]uh he has far more power as attorney general. Of course, it's limited to Texas, but Texas is a very big and important state.

[00:08:27]And so, I think the impact that he's used to having in Texas, he will not experience in Washington.

[00:08:36]and the pressures will be on him uh to conform or they'll find a way to get rid of him as senator.

[00:08:50]Um there are not many people in the house or senate ever uh who can um avoid um conforming.

[00:09:02]So he may be disappointed that he has um left a powerful position for one that's far less powerful.

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[00:09:48]>> You know, Craig, it sounds like you read the New York Times this morning. Um uh thanks to the subscription I bought for you.

[00:10:00]It was the lead story in the New York Times this morning. Uh and they made the exact point that that you just made.

[00:10:08]They gave Trump all the credit.

[00:10:10]>> Yeah.

[00:10:11]>> And uh uh and it wasn't uh Paxton was actually leading before Trump endorsed him the second day. It was Tuesday of last week, noon, uh the second day of early voting. Uh Paxton was polling about 10 points ahead. Now, he finished 35 points ahead.

[00:10:32]So, uh excuse me, 30 points ahead. So, uh I I think Trump made made the the the gap much greater, which is a great thing.

[00:10:44]>> I don't think so at all. I tell you what I think happened. the political operatives went to Trump and said, "Hey, Paxton's going to have a big win. You better endorse him so you can get the credit for it."

[00:10:56]>> Yeah. So, I agree. I don't I don't disagree.

[00:10:59]>> That's what happened.

[00:11:01]>> But but I do think when he did endorse him, uh it it increased the gap a good bit because this was an historic uh win. You know, he Paxton lost the primary by by one and a half points. Uh uh uh and then he wins the runoff by 30.

[00:11:22]So that that's historic. But you're right about the New York Times crediting Trump uh with with the win.

[00:11:29]>> Not just the Times, everybody. And all the Republican organizations.

[00:11:34]>> Let me let me ask you both. They they're already they're they're already uh making Paxton a smaller figure before he's ever sworn in. They're they're reducing his size by giving the credit to Trump.

[00:11:52]>> Yeah.

[00:11:52]>> And he got elected just because uh Trump wanted him elected.

[00:11:58]>> Yeah.

[00:11:59]>> I agree.

[00:11:59]>> This is a way of already they're musling him. they're already taking away his voice. Um, and they're turning him into a Trump spokesman. So, if he doesn't perform that role, then Trump will turn on him just like he's turned on everyone else.

[00:12:19]Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Green, Thomas Massie.

[00:12:26]>> Yeah. So I think that's what's going on and Paxton will find himself uh in a position where it's going to be very difficult not to conform.

[00:12:40]>> Mike, >> I used to be I was a Senate aid. Um and of course uh Senate aids have or at least they did my day. I don't know anymore. They had the same access to the floor of the Senate as senators.

[00:12:56]So you you were part of everything that happened. If you wanted to be, you're right there.

[00:13:03]And it's very very difficult for any senator and not to go with the floor.

[00:13:13]Very difficult.

[00:13:15]And um it was the main obstacle that I faced in uh spreading the supply side movement into the Senate.

[00:13:26]And I actually ended up having more success with the Democrats than with the Republicans.

[00:13:36]And of course the Democrats u were in control of the Senate at that time. So, uh, it was more important to affect the Democrats.

[00:13:48]So, the I don't know that Paxton is going to be a happy camper in Washington.

[00:13:58]Texas, he had real power.

[00:14:02]Uh, he won't have anything like that power in Washington. Now, it used to be years ago before the Democrats reformed the process of committee chairmanships that a committee chairman was actually powerful because he was there forever and committee chairman could stand up to the president because they could shut down entire sections of the government funding.

[00:14:36]if they wanted to. And they had enormous power among the members because they couldn't they couldn't lose uh an election because the state realized the citizens of the state realized they had so much power they could protect the state.

[00:14:57]So running against them was futile.

[00:15:02]And within the Congress, they were completely safe. There wasn't any reforms that they could only serve a certain term and then somebody else had to come. It was nothing like that. So they had real power. That was that was when Congress was a real power.

[00:15:22]And I think it was the Democrats in the 70s, the mid to late 70s, that got rid of all that.

[00:15:30]So that a chairmanship now is a it's a temporary thing. You get to run in it for a while and then you have to step aside and so the power's gone.

[00:15:46]I Well, I was going to ask and I think Craig already answered it, but you know, why would the New York Times and some of these other publications now all of a sudden be, you know, putting Trump has the power? But I but I think you answered it Craig by saying just making Paxton look smaller is the goal.

[00:16:03]>> Yeah.

[00:16:05]Yeah. It reduces See, it's not Paxton's wins. Trump's >> good point. I I agree with that. So >> that's what they're doing. Well, Paxton didn't win. Trump Trump won.

[00:16:20]And and of course it it it fits the New York Times uh ideological approach to this.

[00:16:28]>> So that Trump's responsible for everything. So they're building up more and more of a target because nobody is responsible except Trump. So whatever happens and sooner or later they'll have enough they'll lower the boom.

[00:16:48]>> Yeah.

[00:16:49]Yeah, the sounds like the no kings argument right now. They're making Trump look like the king.

[00:16:56]>> Yeah.

[00:16:56]>> You know what? I have really sought out people like Ken Paxton and and uh my donations and my support and and have become personal friends. Matter of fact, the three politicians that I call my friends are are Paxton and u uh Thomas Massie and and Rand Paul. And uh uh I've taken Rand Paul on medical mission trips to to Haiti. Uh I flew the team down there and we uh we did uh cataract surgeries on 250 elderly blind Haitians. And so I've spent a lot of time uh wi with these guys. Uh I think you know Ken certainly beholden to Trump uh because because you know he he does appreciate that Trump stood up at the last minute and endorsed him. You know Trump was going to endorse Cornin. Uh the paperwork was done. Uh and and Ken did something courageous. Uh this was about 60 days ago. Ken Paxton came out publicly and said, "If the Senate will pass the SAFE Act, I will withdraw uh uh from the race."

[00:18:19]And of course, the Senate never did pass the Safe Act. Uh and and it was a gamble that Ken took, and I talked to him about it. Uh it was a risky gamble, but sure enough, the do nothing Senate uh Republican Senate didn't care enough about uh uh free and fair elections in this country uh to to do what was necessary, which is sus suspend, you know, the current rules and make it happen. And so Trump was was ready literally that day to endorse Cornin and and he held back. Uh, and then at the last minute, uh, I agree with Craig. He he he knew Ken was going to win and he wanted to get on board that uh, that win and get credit for it. Uh, but he does like Ken. He they've worked together on many, many things. It wasn't hard for him to do that. You know, here's how I think Paxton is going to uh, uh, represent us as a senator. I really think he's going to be another Rand Paul.

[00:19:27]And you know, Rand uh uh chooses his battles.

[00:19:34]Uh you know, he he gets Trump's our uh on occasion uh uh you know, last week uh it was on this War Powers Act that he voted with the the the two rhinos from Alaska and Maine. Uh and and Trump calls him an idiot for a couple of weeks and then he's back on board with some of the other things. Unlike Massie, Massie is an ideologue. Massie didn't compromise on anything. Uh and and you know, when you have the like the the big beautiful bankruptcy bill, uh there was a lot of really good stuff in that. Uh but the fact that it dramatically increased spending, Massie is an absolutist. He he voted against it. Uh he just never would allow for increased spending even though there was probably, you know, 10 things in there that were really positive. Uh uh and and people like uh Ran Paul and I believe Ken Paxton are going to choose their battles. They're they're they realize how Washington works. you know, it's a big factory that makes sausage and uh it's not a pretty place to to operate and it's not a pure ide ideolog to to exist. So, so I think Ken is going to going to go along when when it's appropriate and he's going to take a stand when it's appropriate. Uh I I have no doubt Trump will be calling him an idiot uh some weeks at a time. uh and then when he votes uh uh in a in a compromised position because there's enough good in the bill, you know, he'll be back in in Trump's good terms. But I think we're really going to have another Rand Paul there, which which is a good thing. uh Massie uh who I love. I mean, he he was a he was the greatest um uh was was an absolutist and and it ended up uh costing him his seat. By the way, all these Jewish investors uh billionaires uh Miriam add who who put massive millions of dollars into his campaign. Uh uh Massie was not uh anti-Israel.

[00:22:01]He didn't want to send our money to any country. Uh uh and and and he never spoke ill of Israel. But because we send so much money and and weaponry to Israel, you know, it it just stood out.

[00:22:18]But but he wasn't really worthy of of all this Jewish money coming in and buying his seat. Uh he just was an absolutist about not sending uh our kids or our money into any foreign situation.

[00:22:35]Uh it's just that the Jewish influence is so great u that that they had the resources to to literally buy that seat in Kentucky.

[00:22:48]I don't think um Gary the terms Gary used to describe Massie absolutist ideologue or what Gary means. I think he means that Massie was principled and there's not a whole lot of room if any for principle in the House or Senate or executive branch or anywhere in the government.

[00:23:18]And so what and the way that Massie stood out was he was a principal person in a house full of that that's his problem and u it is true so far Rand Paul has survived and I think that Gary gave an accurate description of how he's managed to do that and it's entirely possible that Paxton will survive in the same way. Uh but it means you can't be full-time principled >> and um uh like I said I was uh in the Senate staff and the House staff and committee staffs and I was also in in the executive branch as an assistant secretary treasury and I so again it was extremely difficult to be principled in any presidential appointed position.

[00:24:33]So it's principle is not something that is welcomed in Washington.

[00:24:41]It gets in the way.

[00:24:46]uh the people aren't principled and they look at principled people as obstacles, problems.

[00:24:58]>> How long has it been that way, Craig?

[00:25:01]>> I don't know. It was that it was it was certainly that way. I entered the congressional staff in 75 and I entered the um executive branch and what January of 1981.

[00:25:19]Um, it was that way in the executive branch just like it had been in the House and the Senate.

[00:25:29]And I'm not saying there were no principal people. There were a lot more people principled then than there are now.

[00:25:41]And there were a lot more people who actually were concerned about the United States and what was happening and were prep and were motivated to do something about it.

[00:25:58]Uh they weren't exactly a majority but they existed. So I had uh success when I was the uh chief economist of the House Budget Committee and organizing the Republican members of the budget committee.

[00:26:16]um and they stayed with it. And uh uh and in the Senate I had uh success um with several of the Republican senators, but primarily with very important uh Democrats. Russell Long, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. Lord Benson, chairman of the joint economic committee, Sam Nun on the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, they saw the problems and understood and um were a part of the success of the whole supply side effort to get the stagflation defeated. Um, so there were more principal people, but they the people who wanted to suppress them didn't have as much clout as they've got now.

[00:27:23]So, you really couldn't suppress the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee or somebody uh uh who's chairman of the Joint Economic Committee or Sam Nun.

[00:27:38]He he was not he was a fraternity brother of mine, Georgia Tech. He was not anybody that could be suppressed.

[00:27:47]But those kind of people are aren't there now in any numbers.

[00:27:54]And if they are there, they keep their heads down.

[00:27:59]It's I've seen in my professional lifetime a collapse of moral principle operating in government.

[00:28:15]You you can't find it anywhere, you know. And foreign leaders now say this, you know, the recent uh one of the high officials in Russia, oh, it was their ambassador to the United Nations. He said, "Look, uh if uh a Russ if the if the Russians had blown up Ukrainian school and killed a bunch of kids, the whole world would be screaming.

[00:28:45]They've just done it to us."

[00:28:48]And the story disappeared.

[00:28:52]He says the west is totally devoid of any moral principle. This is disgrace.

[00:29:01]He's right.

[00:29:02]He's absolutely right.

[00:29:06]And what what what do we heard about Gaza?

[00:29:12]It's a dead issue. And what what do we hear about the little girls school in Tran that Trump blew up and killed 170 children?

[00:29:24]We don't hear a word.

[00:29:27]So when and the world sees this. So you the notion of the United States is some kind of a great moral democracy. Everybody laughs. Just laugh.

[00:29:43]So as principle was suppressed by moneyed interest because it doesn't serve the moneyed interest.

[00:29:58]The country's reputation goes down. I don't think we have one.

[00:30:05]I don't think we're any longer looked up to like we used to be.

[00:30:14]I think we're despised.

[00:30:17]In fact, all the what the polls show, all the poll, they do these worldwide polls. You know, the two most hated countries in the world are Israel and the United States.

[00:30:30]>> We're hated more than Iran or China or whoever, Russia.

[00:30:39]We rank the lowest So that tells you that the world people they have an appreciation of principle and they don't see it any longer. I mean we know the Israelis don't have any. We know and we are so closely aligned with them now.

[00:31:05]You know, just the other day, the president of Israel, I mean, this was only three or four days ago, uh, he spoke out about the behavior of the Israeli settlers in the West Bank or what remains of the West Bank. Hardly anything. The settlers go in there and they drive the Palestinians out of their homes, out of their villages.

[00:31:29]uh they come in with these great caterpillar uh demolition machines that that Caterpillar makes for them and they knock down all the houses and they dig up all the olive trees and they build uh apartment complexes for the settlers.

[00:31:48]So, a village of 500 people becomes 3,000 Israeli settlers and apartments.

[00:31:55]Um he he the president of Israel looked at all this and what was going on and now the killings and the rapes just get so violent he denounced them and he said that this uh is behavior devoid of all law and all morality. He's talking about his own citizens and he says that the hor most most horrible thing about it is that this horrific um behavior, this horrific aggression and and destruction of people is becoming mainstream in Israel and is destroying us as a nation.

[00:32:50]Now, that's what the president of Israel. Now, of course, it's mainly a ceremonial office. It doesn't really have any power, but he's a figurehead, and that's what he says is happening in his country.

[00:33:05]Well, it's happening here. I mean, who who enabled the Gaza genocide? Trump.

[00:33:14]That's Trump's work. all the weapons, all the money, all the diplomatic cover, all the blocking of UN resolutions. So the United States is as responsible for the genocide in in Gaza as Israel. They couldn't have done it without our weapons, our money, our diplomatic protection, without Trump's UN ambassador vetoing, vetoing, vetoing, vetoing, vetoing.

[00:33:47]So I think that um this is a very serious thing because when people of principle are cast aside what have you got?

[00:34:05]There's no constraint on u atrocity or illegality.

[00:34:13]Once you lose principle you're you're lost.

[00:34:18]And how do you get it back?

[00:34:24]It's a pity that these kinds of things are not discussed in uh intellectual journals if there are any left. I'm not sure uh on serious uh discussion shows you know that at one time almost existed in the media.

[00:34:46]uh these things don't get any recognition and so they get worse and worse and nobody says hey wait a minute we're flushing ourselves down the toilet >> you know my rant about it that's >> Craig that kind of brings us to that other topic we were going to talk about which is all the Trump effort uh to protect Israel uh from our spee free speech.

[00:35:19]You know, in in the last few weeks, um the Trump administration has done a variety of things to protect uh Israel from any criticism uh by American citizens. you know, here in Texas, uh, Greg Abbott supported and passed, uh, uh, uh, regulations that if you, uh, as a Texas citizen want to have a government job, uh, in state government or a a government contract, uh, that you could not support the boycott of Israel for things like what they're doing in Gaza, Uh, and as an American, uh, I value my first amendment right to free speech at a very high level. You know, I want to be free to criticize my own country, any other country in the world. Uh, that's what free speech is about.

[00:36:23]Uh but here in Texas and also in Florida, uh if if uh if you criticize uh Israel, you're very likely to to not be allowed to to to work for the state government or or have a state contract.

[00:36:39]Well, Trump has doubled down on this now on a federal level. And uh Israel is the only country in the world that has this kind of protection.

[00:36:49]and and this is a country that has genocided uh women and children in Gaza uh committed rapes and and uh torture and and all sorts of violence and and and that's not a rumor. That's established fact. I mean, here's the president of Israel himself who's criticizing the behavior of these people. So Trump has has has gone a step too far in telling me as an American that I can't criticize a particular country, which by the way is very deserving of criticism uh with what's going on right now. Uh and of course we're in Iran because Israel has an agenda called Greater Israel. uh they want to be the only uh uh uh force of influence in the entire Middle East and Rubio himself said we went because Netanyahu was going so we had to go in uh uh to to support them. Uh and and and so we have the the the this you know uh there was a term um uh anti-semitism used to be anyone that hated the Jews but now anti-semitism is anyone the Jews hate like Thomas Massie for example.

[00:38:22]So the and and what's interesting is anybody that's any college kids now are fully awake on on the uh inordinate influence Israel has on our on our country. uh anybody under 50 is is now a significant majority have woken up and realized that uh uh the Israeli influence on our Congress, on our laws, on on our federal policies um are are are heavily influenced by foreign nation. Uh certainly many of Trump's decisions have been based on his uh loyalty. You know, you have uh uh uh miga uh make Israel great again. Uh and and you know what that's in direct opposition to to to America first and and uh Tucker Carlson has been the the greatest example of standing up against this. Uh and of course he has been pillaried with u criticism from from every possible angle because he has had the courage to call this what it is. You know we as Americans we need America first and uh uh there's been so many Zionist influences to the detriment of our country. open border for example uh you know Michael Yan uh uh who's my mutual friend with you Michael you know he's been down at the Darian Gap and seen that the the Jewish funded uh uh NOS's down there arranging travel uh for for the people through Central America to our border with instructions on what to say to the border patrol and and to to get into the country. uh that is uh uh Zionist Jewish money that has uh opened up our border uh to diminish life in this country. You know, when you have millions of people coming across the border, uh it it collapses uh the health care system. It overwhelms it, the the school systems, uh the court systems, the welfare systems.

[00:40:41]And uh this has been a plan that's been in place, you know, for for decades now that we've watched happen with Zionist funding. And um you know, even uh in the Ukraine and in Russian war, uh you have Ukrainian uh uh Christians killing uh Russian Orthodox Christians by the hundreds of thousands right now.

[00:41:08]you know that is a Zionist influence war uh that uh and and Russia has been the Zionist greatest enemy and they have you know Craig Craig and I uh we kind of debate about this a lot. Uh I don't think Putin's stupid. I think he's controlled. I I think there's so much Zionist influence in in Russia. the central banks controlled by a a Jewish woman uh who exposed all that Russian money to be confiscated. Um I I just think that there's a lot of Zionist influence that uh causing great harm to the world right now. But again, the good news is the younger Americans are waking up and Tucker's been a big influence on this. Uh and the Christian Zionists are slowly waking up that uh uh this doctrine that if you bless Israel be blessed. If you curse Israel be cursed is a false doctrine. Israel is a country of about 10 million people. a little spit of land uh that is creating uh disaster not just in Gaza but I believe in Ukraine and in Russia and here in our country by funding the open borders and all the liberal media that lied and covered it. The control in our Congress on both sides of the aisle is influenced by Apac, which is a foreign pack that should not be uh unregistered and operating uh as if it wasn't foreign influence on our on our Congress. But we're waking up and and that's the good news. And u it's going to be slow and it's going to be painful. And you know, I like a lot of things about Trump. Uh but uh his his subservience to Israel uh is a a very dangerous destructive thing for our country. And the other thing I'm upset about now is Palunteer uh and and these uh uh AI facilities are going to be built all over the country that are going to track us. They're they're going to know everything we say we do. Uh and and it's a control mechanism >> and that control is going to be utilized by a small group of people. Uh, and they aren't all from the Zionist influence.

[00:43:37]Uh, you've got people like Bill Gates and and and other powers of influence that are going to capture this information and fewer and fewer people are going to be able to have wealth in this country. The rest of us are are are going to do our best to not be controlled by these people. So, few of my thoughts. So, so we got got a lot to unpack here on what you just said, Gary, but one of the things that, you know, what you ended with, uh, I'd like to get Craig's take on it because we touched on this last time, what my concern was, even going back to 24 with big tech and, you know, I I had thought my, you know, 2020 big tech did everything they could to make sure that Trump did not get reelected. I think that's pretty obvious at this point, but in 24 they were all behind him to make sure, you know, you know, it was visible how much support they were. I mean, they and they've been at the White House ever since. Um, so, you know, you look at this now with these data centers going all over the place and and Michael, you know, Michael's been coming on my show a lot.

[00:44:39]And let me just side note for a second.

[00:44:41]Michael did an episode with his wife Msako Ganaha on Brett Weinstein's podcast last week that is excellent and I can send it to you after the Darkhorse podcast, but he's always talked about famine and NOS's and I mean these NOS's have not been dismantled since Trump came back into office and he's you know he's talked about famine for a very very long time. So we go to the Middle East uh that straight is still closed.

[00:45:05]That straight is still closed and and you know every day now it seems like oh there's a deal imminent. There's a deal imminent. there's a deal within days and then it just fades away. And Trump, I saw video from this morning, he doesn't even care. He said, "I don't care about the midterms."

[00:45:21]So, what's going on here? And who's going to benefit from this one? I mean, the agenda 2030 that I've heard about for so long. I mean, maybe there is some truth to it because the famine that I mean, the world is getting they're losing what 20% of the energy by this trait continuing to be closed. even if they reopened it today, how long would it take for everything to get back online due to all the damage that's been caused? So, Craig, I'd like to kind of get your thoughts on that and, you know, whatever else you want to include with with Israel and what's going on now in the Middle East and Iran.

[00:45:55]>> Well, the Iranians never really closed the straight. They closed it to enemies, but they permitted oil to continue flowing out. So, we don't really know how much uh oil uh supply was reduced.

[00:46:17]Um Trump has added his closure u and he enforces it uh a long way away from the straight by capturing the ships that Iran allows through the straight.

[00:46:35]So oil going out uh to a non Iranian u uh belligerent, someone who's not allied with the United States or Israel, that oil leaves and then Trump tries to embargo that at a at a distance too far away for the Iranian missiles to hit the American ships.

[00:47:06]So, um, like I say, the impact of this is not all the oil closed down unless Trump can catch all of the ships.

[00:47:20]Now, how this is going to end, uh, Trump can't find a way out that he can claim is victory.

[00:47:30]And the Iranians aren't giving him uh the opportunity to claim a victory. In fact, they've declared that the era of the United States in the Middle East is over, finished, and will never come back. And they recently appealed, you know, that this is a a Muslim religious time. They recently appealed to the Muslim states to join with them and remake a Middle East without Washington.

[00:48:05]So this is not giving Trump any way to say, uh, I defeated them and it's all over. So, how is he going to get out?

[00:48:18]It occurred to me when I heard saw that the United States is planning an invasion of Cuba. He gets out by starting another war. He attacks Cuba and then that comes the news and what's going on in Iran diminishes. it goes to the back burner and then it goes off the stove and then you don't hear any more about it and the Iranians simply organize the Muslims that remain and they go about their business and this then puts the bear on Israel's back. Israel now would have to make an honest peace. They would have to give up greater Israel or be destroyed, utterly destroyed, because once we are gone, the Israelis have no military capability whatsoever.

[00:49:18]And so they can't continue their assaults.

[00:49:25]So there could be a big silver lining in Trump's idiotic mistake of joining the attack on Iran.

[00:49:36]It may be that that's the end of Israeli expansion.

[00:49:42]And as I said, I think his at this time his chosen way out is to invade Cuba.

[00:49:53]And the defense department or the war department, they are making these plans.

[00:49:59]Well, what's Cuba done to us? Nothing.

[00:50:01]Why do they want to invade Cuba?

[00:50:05]But it serves Trump as a way of getting out of Iran because the Cuban thing then becomes a story just the way the Iranian uh war pushed the Russian Ukrainian war to the back burner.

[00:50:27]So the Cuban war will do the same thing to the Iranians. So there'll never be a deal. It's just that uh it it will leave the news.

[00:50:39]Uh the Gulf States are not going to have us back with bases and the whole area will be organized by Iran and Israel will realize that if it wants to exist, it'll have to give up its aggressiveness.

[00:50:57]In my opinion, Iran can destroy Israel whenever it wants to.

[00:51:03]And there's nothing the United States or Israel can do about it.

[00:51:08]Even if we knew Iran, they'll we'll have already destroyed Israel.

[00:51:14]So that uh that's my take on it at the present time. Now what Gary was talking about was very important. Um what what Trump did is he created a new sedition act not through legislation but through an edict an executive order that the department of justice announced they are implementing. And what is the executive order? The executive order is that it is impermissible for any American to say anything critical about Israel or any Egypt.

[00:52:01]Now, I haven't seen what the punishments are to be, but it is a sedition act created by the United States, not to protect the United States from criticism, which was the purpose of the first sedition act, the one of 1798, and was the purpose of the Sedition Act of 1918, which was to protect the United States from criticism by its citizens and was the purpose of Lincoln uh Lincoln's u u setting aside habius corpus and using edicts to suppress all disscent. You know, Lincoln had 300 northern newspaper editors in prison during his uh invasion of the con of the confederacy.

[00:53:02]So what for the first time in history now one country has committed has created an act of sedition not to protect that government but to protect a foreign government.

[00:53:20]Now what kind of sense does that make?

[00:53:24]We now have, according to Trump and the Department of Justice, a sedition act that protects Israel from free speech by Americans. Now, Trump is the originator of this. And what does it show? It shows he regards the protection of Israel as more important than his oath of office to protect the Constitution of the United States. He has just officially nullified the First Amendment.

[00:54:06]This is high treason.

[00:54:09]I think it is clear the president of the United States has committed high treason.

[00:54:18]I'm sure if the law was strictly interpreted, he would be arrested, put on trial, and found guilty would have to be executed.

[00:54:30]But he has completely violated his oath of office to protect the United States Constitution from enemies abroad and at home.

[00:54:43]And he is the chief enemy.

[00:54:47]He has passed a sedition. He has ordered a sedition act that negates the first amendment, a violation of its oath of office and in my view a clear act of treason against the United States.

[00:55:09]That is our president and that is the real position that he's in.

[00:55:19]Do you think that they do you think he or the Republicans care about the midterms at this point?

[00:55:26]>> I have no idea.

[00:55:30]Gary, >> you know, he said something else a week or two ago that uh he was asked about the financial situation of Americans because of the price of fuel and the other prices going up. And he said, "I don't care uh about the financial situation of Americans." That was widely reported, by the way. Um which was a pretty extraordinary thing to say.

[00:55:59]uh uh you know, Trump has got to at some point care because if you could imagine uh a Democrat controlled House and Senate, what they would attempt to do to him, uh imagine his last couple years in office, constantly fighting uh impeachment and and all these things. It's got to matter. You know, some people say that uh uh he may invoke a an emergency of some sort and stay in office. You know, we watched uh Zalinski do that in Ukraine uh successfully.

[00:56:47]But, you know, Trump's going to have to care. you know, and from a kind of another angle, I've been paying attention to the to the uh uh uh to the potential fortunes of the Democrats in the midterms.

[00:57:03]Uh it's it's actually looking pretty good for Republicans in spite of Trump's uh uh popularity right now. I think it was at 38%.

[00:57:14]Uh because we've had tremendous success with redistricting.

[00:57:20]Uh Democrats have had failure with redistricting. Virginia, for example, where they overreached. Uh Tennessee uh last week uh with their redistricting uh just eliminated the only Democrat uh uh district in the whole state.

[00:57:41]uh Texas has had great success with it.

[00:57:44]Uh so so we're we're seeing u a new map uh uh set up across the country that's definitely favoring uh Republicans. So that's going to help the situation.

[00:58:00]uh uh and we're seeing uh uh the Democrats, you know, they that there were five uh members of the squad uh in Illinois this week who uh just lost their primaries to to what they're referring to as moderate Democrats.

[00:58:23]Uh I'm not sure what that means exactly.

[00:58:25]Uh a moderate Democrat today.

[00:58:29]um you know, maybe they uh won't allow abortion after the day of delivery or something like that. That's moderate. But uh uh uh and the and the money issue, uh the Republicans right now have right at a billion dollars in in campaign money available. The Democrats have 264 million, but they also have a matching amount in debts.

[00:58:56]So, the Democrats right now don't have any money. And by getting rid of programs like ACT Blue, which was an organization that took uh uh government money and funded Democratic campaigns with it, you know, our Justice Department shut down at Blue. Uh then then there's the Southern Poverty Law Center now that's pretty much shut down uh uh from this is a Democratic operation.

[00:59:25]So, uh, we're positioning now to look a lot better to win, uh, uh, the the the seats in the in the Congress um, uh, come November, in spite of uh, a war in Iran that's going on, in spite of the massive overspending that's being done, uh, in spite of the palunteer and the the the the the uh spying on Americans. I there's a lot of a lot of stuff out there that that that would look really grim for Republican chances, but there's also a lot of positives now that seem to be a counterweight to the whole thing. So, u I I think Trump is looking at the big picture. He he knows he's got a certain amount of rope uh that he can work with and he and he's extending it as far out as he can. Um so yeah, I think he cares, but I think he's got u uh uh the big picture where where he can continue to do some of these things that are offensive to MAGA. And of course uh Craig wrote about this this morning. Uh Tulsi uh Gabbard who who uh just resigned. Uh uh uh uh I had dinner the other night with Joe Kent uh and got to have a personal conversation with why he became a whistleblower. Uh and of course what he said was that he couldn't support uh uh the Trump administration because they went to war uh on Israel's author authority. So you have a lot of people jumping ship right now. Is Robert Kennedy Jr. the next one to go? Because he has been constrained. You know, we should have taken this this boweapon they call the vax off of the market uh now that we have uh access to the data the the the hundreds of thousands of people that have died the turbo cancer and all this is going on and yet that vax is still available. Fortunately, people are waking up and they're not taking it and they're certainly not giving it to their kids anymore. Uh but uh uh there's, you know, Trump is is maybe he's at the end of this rope where he's going to have to come back in line with the MAGA base that got him there.

[01:01:59]But he has certainly pushed the limit on this whole thing. But yeah, I think he cares, but I think he is making uh uh decisions from a big picture. Uh knowing that, you know, what choice do we have?

[01:02:14]Uh we're going to vote for the cackling hyena uh or the governor of California when when it comes around. You know, he he's pushing the envelope.

[01:02:26]Craig.

[01:02:29]Well, my question is um what do we gain from the Republicans winning when we have a president who uh represents Israel, not the United States, even to the length of violating his oath of office and destroying the United States Constitution. ution. Why do you want these people in power?

[01:03:04]Isn't that worse than the cackling hyena?

[01:03:10]You see, if Trump and the Republicans represent Israel, why should an American vote for them?

[01:03:21]And if Trump represents Israel to the extent that he prefers them over the US Constitution and the First Amendment rights of Americans to free speech and he's going to take that free speech away from us in order to protect Israel from criticism.

[01:03:46]Why do we want him in office?

[01:03:50]Nobody in his right mind would want him in office. And how could even the awful Democrats be worse?

[01:04:00]Who do the Democrats represent? I've said so many times, immigrant invaders and sexual perverts.

[01:04:09]That's their real constituency.

[01:04:12]have no reason to want Democrats in power, but they don't represent Israel and they not prepared, I guess, to sacrifice the Constitution and the First Amendment to save Israel from criticism.

[01:04:33]And as they do represent immigrant invaders, a lot of them are Muslims.

[01:04:41]So that we have in the Democrats, we have a party constrained by its own constituency from being submissive to Israel.

[01:04:56]So when I look at it, I start seeing more and more advantages and having the Democrats in office.

[01:05:09]That's what is the advantage of Republicans winning?

[01:05:16]What are they going to do?

[01:05:17]>> You know, you sound like Thomas Massie now. I I know you're principled. Uh but this I'm I'm absolutely delighted to be compared to such a principle and courageous guy.

[01:05:33]And I actually don't think he lost the election. And I think uh the Republicans stole it from him. You know, the 10,000 mailin ballots. That was the difference in the election. And they came in at the last minute.

[01:05:51]And I think all 10,000 were for his opponent.

[01:05:57]You know, the case, you know, he didn't lose the election. If you look at the contributions, his opponent had 70 contributions from people in Kentucky. 70.

[01:06:12]>> Yeah.

[01:06:13]>> Massie had almost 2,000.

[01:06:17]If you look at the people who attended the challengers victory celebration, there were 30 or 40 people there.

[01:06:27]>> There were hundreds when Massie gave his concession speech.

[01:06:32]Yeah.

[01:06:33]>> Um, nothing supports the 55 to 45 victory of the challenge of Damasci. No, nothing. It it it was stolen. I'm convinced it was completely stolen.

[01:06:51]The Israel lobby wasn't about to throw away $30 million for nothing or trump his prestige.

[01:07:02]You know, even had the war secretary on the campaign trail in a Kentucky primary, the secretary of wars out there extolling the war war virtues of the opponent to Massie.

[01:07:17]Well, you can't possibly make that kind of a contribution, that kind of level of involvement and lose.

[01:07:28]I mean, imagine how much fun the New York Times would have if after all of that Trump lost.

[01:07:37]I mean, it's, you know, uh, it was stolen. It was completely stolen. And it's completely clear. Here's another angle, Craig.

[01:07:48]Uh Massiey's last primary uh there were 52,000 votes and he won by 73%.

[01:07:57]uh this time around there was 105,000 votes and uh the additional 52 53,000 votes uh for Massie to have lost at a 10% margin like that meant that those 52,000 new voters and by the way in a district that had zero growth zero population growth. Okay, >> there there were literally double the number of votes and and Massie would have only gotten 7,000 of the 52,000 additional votes.

[01:08:40]>> Yeah, it's not possible.

[01:08:41]>> Not possible. Right.

[01:08:43]>> That there's no reason for the people in Kentucky to prefer Trump over Massie.

[01:08:50]>> Yeah.

[01:08:51]>> Massie spoke for them.

[01:08:54]>> Yeah. He didn't speak for Israel.

[01:08:58]Trump speaks for Israel, not for Americans.

[01:09:05]Like Gary pointed out when asked about the impact of war on food prices, on energy prices, he said he didn't care, but he wasn't going to let Iran have a nuclear weapon.

[01:09:24]Well, what is he talking about? His own intelligence agencies have said there's no evidence whatsoever that they're making a nuclear weapon.

[01:09:35]Tulsi Gabin herself said, "We've looked, we've looked, this is conclusion.

[01:09:40]There's no nuclear weapon."

[01:09:44]This is why she had to go.

[01:09:46]So Trump's excuse of sacrificing America to Israel is, "Oh, we're saving ourselves from Iran having nuclear weapon." Well, what the hell if they had one, what are they going to do with it?

[01:09:58]This, they've never said they're going to attack us. All kinds of people have nuclear weapons that are much more dangerous to us, the Russians, the Chinese.

[01:10:10]Uh, so the whole Trump thing is fraudulent.

[01:10:16]It's fraudulent from top to bottom and there's nothing to be gained by him staying in office or by the Republicans.

[01:10:28]I mean, we need the Democrats in there to constrain the dangerous fool.

[01:10:35]He's taking away our rights.

[01:10:40]But you know what, Craig? I don't see even if the Democrats were to come in and take back the House and Senate, I don't see them doing anything to stop this either.

[01:10:49]>> Well, they hate Trump, >> but he's doing he's doing the bidding for the elites, right? He's doing their work.

[01:10:57]Well, if they're losing their money, men, to Trump because he's buying them with favors, the Democrats would want them back. So, they would be determined to get rid of Trump.

[01:11:12]I, you know, I think there's a hostility to him in the Democrats. I And also I think in the Ranos, they just prefer to be in power than to be out of power. So they're riding with Trump now. But the ROS don't like him.

[01:11:32]They just rather be in power and they don't support him. they're supporting themselves being in power as the majority parties.

[01:11:47]Uh so there's not Trump doesn't really have much support uh beyond uh the Israel lobby and the Christian Zionists and probably the only part of America that's still with him are the Christian Zionists and they're not in my opinion they're more patriotic to Israel than they are to America.

[01:12:14]So anyhow, you know, I didn't know I was going to say all these things, but listening and think uh Gary was stressing the uh fact the importance of the Republicans and they're winning. And I think he's right what what he said about the they they probably will win. But I got to thinking, well, what are we gaining by it? I mean, you know, neither one of you have responded to the point I keep making when the president of the United States establish a sedition policy that takes away constitutional rights of Americans in order to protect Israel from criticism. Only criticism.

[01:13:06]Don't you remember the thing is we would say as a kid that sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

[01:13:18]So we're protecting Israel from words at the cost of our right.

[01:13:25]>> Yeah.

[01:13:26]>> And the president of the United States does this. This is clearly a violation of his oath of office.

[01:13:36]to protect the constitution.

[01:13:40]He has not protected it.

[01:13:45]He destroyed it in order to protect Israel.

[01:13:51]This has to be high treason.

[01:13:55]If it's not, what is it?

[01:13:59]Now, it's those are strong words, but Craig, I I'll respond to it. Um, uh, I wonder if they'll let us be roommates when you and I were both arrested for >> I'm not going to lie.

[01:14:16]>> Let me tell you a funny story. I was invited to Mara Lago a few months ago and and I was flying right over Craig's house and in fact I ended up stopping uh and spending a night with him and I I I had two tickets and uh Craig refused to go to Mara Lago. He he says they're not going to let me in. They're g they're going to throw me out. Uh and and Craig, after uh after today, I I I I agree with you. Uh you you better never go to tomorrow blogger. I won't invite you.

[01:14:58]>> But But see, what you're saying is I'm endangered because I speak in defense of the Constitution.

[01:15:06]>> Yeah. I I think that's true.

[01:15:09]>> And and and this is in America.

[01:15:13]>> Yeah. And as I have said over and over and no one can challenge what is the United States, it's the Constitution.

[01:15:22]So when you attack the Constitution, you are attacking America.

[01:15:27]We are the That's what we are with the Constitution. Our country is the Constitution.

[01:15:35]If we don't have the Constitution, we are not the United States of America.

[01:15:38]We're some other country. What are we?

[01:15:44]So when the president himself attacks the constitution, he is attacking America.

[01:15:52]This is why the oath of office is that he I swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States because that's what America is. You can't be America and not have the Constitution.

[01:16:09]So anyone who attacks it is attacking the United States and that's what he has done.

[01:16:21]Now, I have made the point um recently that since it's a presidential edict, an executive order, not an act of Congress, the next president can repeal the Sedition Act.

[01:16:41]He can simply say, "It's not fitting.

[01:16:44]It's not it. We can't set aside the constitution for the sake of some other country's feelings and it's repealed.

[01:16:57]So that's another reason to have a democrat.

[01:17:02]It would be uh they would do it just for the propaganda value that look, we're giving you back your country. Trump stole it, gave it to Israel.

[01:17:13]Israel had the right to censor you.

[01:17:18]You the first amendment. He flushed it down the toilet.

[01:17:23]Now, you would think it's what I'm saying, I think, is so obvious. It's not even debatable. It's so obvious. You would think the law schools would be raised in hell, the bar associations, you'd think the New York Times.

[01:17:37]What is the people are the the country is so unknown to them. They don't even notice. They don't even notice that the president's committed high treason.

[01:17:53]Apparently not. There's not a word.

[01:17:59]I mean, I made the points today on this program and they've not appeared. No one's noticed. No one said anything.

[01:18:10]>> Yeah.

[01:18:11]>> A single attorney, constitutional lawyer, legal scholar.

[01:18:19]People just don't notice. They lose their country and they don't even notice.

[01:18:28]I I think that's something to really worry about.

[01:18:35]Um, and if they don't notice, it doesn't matter what I say.

[01:18:40]Still won't notice.

[01:18:45]So, I think that's why they won't bother me. I'm an old guy and nobody listens and it doesn't matter what he says.

[01:18:54]And that's probably means I'm safe.

[01:19:05]>> Well, I'm glad you're optimistic about it. Uh, I'll put up your bill. I'll put up your bill for you. Okay.

[01:19:14]>> Might be a little bit higher. It might be a little bit higher than the New York Times subscription that you're funding right now, Gary.

[01:19:22]>> I I I I don't I don't disagree with you, Craig.

[01:19:26]And and I'm going to say one one add one more thing because you know you look at where we were in the last administration where things are now in terms of costs for everyday people. I mean I'm in Phoenix. I'm paying $5 a gallon for gas.

[01:19:42]Food has not gotten cheaper. It's gotten more expensive. And you know, coming back to what I said about the strait, you know, I think by Trump's last year in office, I I I think he'll be so poorly received.

[01:19:55]Um, and maybe that's not the right word to use, but I I you might not even see him that much by the end because I don't see this resolution. I don't see anything coming out of the Middle East to resolve this any like I don't see anything imminent. And the longer this goes, the more regular people like myself, like we all are, are going to pay, which is always the case. We regular people always pay for this. Paid for it during the GFC. They paid for it during 2020 on and and and even before all that.

[01:20:28]>> Yes. But I think it will be resolved by Trump just easing into another war.

[01:20:36]Um, and they'll have to call the carriers home to support the air power attack on Cuba. And and um, and there won't be any radars to reestablish the bases in the Persian Gulf. And the Persian Gulf people are not going to want them back.

[01:20:59]And Israel can't carry on alone. They can't even handle a militia.

[01:21:05]in southern Lebanon.

[01:21:09]You know, this is their third attempt.

[01:21:11]The other two attempts, the Israelis turned and fled for their lives.

[01:21:17]They can't even defeat a lightly armed militia with no tanks, no air force.

[01:21:25]And they're and they're having trouble again. They can't cross the river.

[01:21:32]Their tanks are just blown up, destroyed.

[01:21:35]They'll have to walk back to Israel.

[01:21:41]It's It's not a powerful force.

[01:21:47]And so they used us. We overthrew Iraq for them, Syria for them, Libya for them, and they hoped we would overthrow Iran for them.

[01:21:59]Um, I I think the only way Trump can get out is to start another war. And he'll want one he can easily win. That'll be Cuba.

[01:22:14]And I wouldn't be surprised if they go slow and uh drag it out so that Cuba becomes more and more the news and news and news and Iran Iran goes down while Cuba comes up in the news and Iran disappears and that's how it's resolved and our navy's gone and the straight is open and Israel has to come to peace.

[01:22:49]>> You know, that's pretty that's pretty optimistic. Um, you know, Israel giving up on their greater >> What else can they do, Gary?

[01:22:59]>> What can they do? If if they persist, the Iranians will destroy them.

[01:23:04]>> Yeah. No, I I you're on the same page. I I think the only push back I have is is that u uh the the Iranian uh problem is not going to grow away uh easily. Even if the media, you know, the oxygen in the room becomes Cuba, the the uh problems with the with with Iran and the flow of oil and the straight being opened and and u uh that's that's going to exist. And you know, Netanyahu is up for election in September.

[01:23:43]uh uh and and the Israeli people are sick of having their cities bombed every night and their kids being sent off to to to war. So if Netanyahu loses uh in September, then then that that adds to your position, I believe, and that uh the the pursuit of Greater Israel is is is going to be postponed um uh or or taken off the the table for a while and then we can have some resolution with Iran because the Iranian thing is all about greater Israel, destroying Iran, using the US resources to do it. Uh uh and there's no way we can can have victory over there. So if if Netanyahu is voted out of office and then sent to prison uh for for for his crimes that he's committed in Israel, not the one mention the ones he's he's uh charged with in the on the world stage uh crimes against humanity and war crimes and so forth. Uh that's not very many months away. So we may see some breakthrough.

[01:25:00]Uh, and you're right. If if Israel insanely continues to pursue greater Israel, uh, uh, to the destruction of Iran, uh, Israel will be destroyed.

[01:25:14]And so, and I think the Israeli people realize this. So, there's a lot of things on the near horizon right now that could change things dramatically.

[01:25:24]But uh the price of the oil, the availability of fertilizer, aluminum, and all these other things that come to the Middle East, uh they're going to be hindered for quite a while. You know, they Iran is has hit these refineries, uh limited the production of of natural gas as well as oil and so forth. This this infrastructure is going to have to be rebuilt. You know, I'm in oil and gas business. Uh I don't see oil u you know, it's amazing. It was $878$89 today in the midst of what's going on right now. And and another thing that's amazing is that uh Trump can say we've got a peace deal and stock market goes up, price of oil goes down, and yet uh we are still attacking Iran right now. You know, yesterday we sunk two of their fast boats. Uh we hit something else. Israel is uh hitting Lebanon. They're supposed to be in some kind of peace deal. Uh it's it's preposterous that there's a ceasefire right now. Uh and yet the market and the price of oil are all behaving as if Trump's statement that we've almost got a deal is based on fact in some way. It's extraordinary to watch if you're a thinking person.

[01:26:49]How can you call this peace? And why should the stock market respond, you know, positively to it? The price of oil go down when obviously there's no peace uh uh and there doesn't seem to be any way to get to peace uh right now. Iran's not going to uh give up on give their country over to control of of of Israel.

[01:27:15]It's not going to happen. And yet, every time Trump says something, every three or four days, uh the media, the markets, and the oil reacts to it, and it's nonsensical. It's amazing to watch it.

[01:27:30]Well, and the last thing I want to add, uh, I know we kind of went over on time today, but you know, the strategic petroleum reserves, the SPRs that are being used across the globe. How much longer can those things go for before it becomes a serious problem? I mean, the United States, they keep tapping into it, you've got countries like Japan, Thailand, Philippines.

[01:27:50]Um, so even though these prices, I don't know if they're being suppressed or or what, but these SPRs are all being tapped into, how much longer is it going to be able to go for before it becomes a real problem?

[01:28:02]We're we're almost there. We have 374 million barrels in our US reserves as of today. They they drained at 9 million barrels last week, which was the largest oneweek deficit in history. Um uh you you've got u uh my understanding is uh Europe is out uh uh uh Japan had quite a few number of days left uh Australia is out uh uh you know we've got uh uh depending on how much we we sell to Europe by the We sold something like 64 million barrels to Europe out of our reserve which is nuts. Um it's it's it's got a limiting factor.

[01:28:55]Probably the biggest factor is not the reserve so much as the products. Uh we have u the availability of diesel. I think uh through July 1st uh uh diesel, you know, in products like jet fuel, you know, I bought jet fuel this weekend. Uh I was paying $4 a gallon uh and and the price was $9 a gallon. And I got a notice, by the way, from one of the fuel uh contract companies that I work with on jet fuel. Uh I got it last week and it said be prepared uh uh in your trip planning to find uh that that jet fuel will not be available at all airports.

[01:29:45]And uh a friend of mine who actually operates a a a a corporate jet fleet uh is having to to start being careful because you could wind up at a at a city uh on a trip and there's no jet fuel to get home. And that came from one of the big contract companies right now. So I think it's going to be the these products that are more concerning, particularly jet fuel and particularly diesel >> and motor oil, right? Too, right? Oil changes.

[01:30:19]>> Yeah. The stocks on the shelves of motor oil a lot of places that are Yeah.

[01:30:24]>> Well, how are the Republicans going to win?

[01:30:28]You don't you have if these accounts are correct, the Republicans have no chance whatsoever of winning anything.

[01:30:41]>> I think >> I think myself that the minute Trump can get a war going with Iran, the straits open because our fleet's gone.

[01:30:51]Uh there's no way Trump can continue the war against Iran.

[01:30:57]there's there no means by which he can do that and so he it can't continue and what you've just reported it's obvious it can't continue all the airlines would be shut down >> nobody would could rely on air travel >> maybe that's the goal though Craig is that the goal with all this >> what >> is that the goal that's the question I ask myself because I think of 2020 20.

[01:31:27]>> No, I don't think why why is that a goal? That's political catastrophe for whoever is in power, whoever gets blamed.

[01:31:37]Uh that's not why why would the United States do that to itself?

[01:31:46]So, uh no, no one's seat would be safe. I don't think that u it'll come to that. I think that Trump is going to go to war. He's going to get into a war to distract the fact that he's left walked away from the Middle East and the everything will be different.

[01:32:14]Iran doesn't want to control the straight. I mean to to to keep it closed and they have it they let out the oil that they want out. So I think on the whole that uh once he gets and war cubers is over. The whole Iranian thing is over and I think Israel knows it. I think everybody knows. I think the Gulf oil shikims know it. I think they know that the day of the United States and the Middle East is finished. It's over and done with. And that's exactly what the Iranian leaders told them just the other day.

[01:33:00]>> Y told them, "You've really got no choice but to join us. There's nothing else you can do."

[01:33:12]He's right. He's absolutely correct.

[01:33:17]And so I think this is going to be over with because we can't tolerate the complete collapse of air travel complet. I mean the people around here they drive these big diesel trucks.

[01:33:34]What are they going to do? It's all they got.

[01:33:38]All the truck transportation.

[01:33:40]You you there won't be any food deliveries to supermarkets.

[01:33:46]the people won't be able to go to the show store and buy anything. There won't be anything there.

[01:33:53]You know, a supermarket can be emptied in one day or in hurricane season and and so life stops. It just stops.

[01:34:09]No government can survive that.

[01:34:13]uh >> for that reason I agree with you. I think he's got to resolve it. And uh you're the first person to really frame it that way. So I agree with that. And uh Mike, on that probably a good note to call it a day, guys.

[01:34:28]>> Yeah, we're over I don't know who's going to listen to this. It's over an hour and a half. I >> I I uh guys, thank you so much for doing this. I love these conversations and uh probably makes all the more sense.

[01:34:40]Month, month and a half, and we we'll see where things are.

[01:34:44]Okay.

[01:34:46]>> Mic drop.

[01:34:46]>> Bye, guys. All right.