The Israelites did not exist as a distinct ethnic group until the 14th century BCE, meaning all Old Testament stories about Abraham, Noah, and the Exodus are historically inaccurate. The first historical mention of Israelites appears around 1204 BCE with the Merneptah Stele, where Pharaoh Merneptah records conquering a group of nomadic people called Israelites. Before this, these people were Canaanites, and before that, they were Samaritans or Arcadians who had converted to Canaanite religion. The stories of Genesis, the flood, and the Tower of Babel are mythological narratives that originated from Canaanite pantheons and other ancient mythologies, not historical events.
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Israelites did not Exist until the 14th Century BCE
Added:Good afternoon, good people. Good afternoon. How you doing? Welcome to Deconstructed Christianity. I am your host, Coach Rens.
And today, our conversation is about the Old Testament. Did it ever happen?
Israelites didn't exist until the 14th century BCE.
And because of that notion, all these stories are invalidated.
We can invalidate pretty much all these stories since there's no historical agreement that any of these people actually existed. No Israelite existed before the 14th century. There's no such thing as an Israelite. Now, I know Abraham is not considered technically an Israelite.
He's a Samaran who came out of the city of at best an Arcadian uh who came out of the city of converted over to the Canaanite religion.
and becomes a Canaanite who later on they separate and call themselves Israelites.
But all these stories of the Israelites are known to have come from the Canaanite pantheon, the Canaanite stories, mythologies, and a mixture of other mythologies as well from the Samrians, Arcadians, and everybody else. And most people had a relatively similar idea in those days of how the the creation of all things and gods and goddesses and things of that nature. So there's a lot of overlap um that you can point to and say that these people just had common themes by their observation of nature.
But what we do see in the archaeology is that all these Old Testament thought processes and things, stories that they claim that we don't see them matching up with history.
But there are no Israelites.
It is a group that is just as made up like Americans. Americans is a madeup group. Americans is a group that did not exist before the revolutionary war.
Before that, they were colonists who happen to be in the Americas.
But it's not until after the Revolutionary War that you have the advent of Americans. So if you cannot look at you look at some of the French and Indian War and say, "Well, Americans fought in that war." Well, technically you can, but no one was calling them Americans when they fought in the French and Indian, but the place didn't exist.
And those people have a history of where they came from.
No native people wouldn't have been calling themselves Americans because they didn't call this place America. So, they wouldn't have been utilizing the term Americas. So, there is no such thing really as Americans until the revolution in 1776.
The same way with these so-called Israelites with the first mentioning that we have of an Israelite doesn't come about until 1204 BCE with the Manpastila. The Manfastila is when Pharaoh Mana said that he utterly conquered a group of nomadic people called Israelites. They were conquered, defeated by the Egyptians.
Before that they were Canaanites.
Before Canaanites, if Abraham actually did ever existed, which he did not, they would have been Aadians, Samaritans, there is no Israelite. And because we don't have any proof that of Abraham's existence, any proof of Jacob, any proof of of Noah, there's no proof of any of those people.
So therefore, there is no such thing as Israelites until a group of people decided to call themselves that. And that happens so late that these stories of Genesis, these stories of of of the flood, these stories of tower, the tower of Babel, Abraham, all this is made up. And even when they began to call themselves Israelites, according to the Bible, we still don't have any archaeological evidence that Israelites actually existed. No one was calling them Israelites.
There were no slaves in Egypt that were called Israelites.
Yeah. First person up here. What's your name?
>> Hey, my name is Terrence, but you can just call me Patrick.
>> How you doing, Patrick? How are you over 21?
>> Uh, 24.
>> All right. Are you a believer in the Bible?
>> I am not. Okay.
>> So, I don't know if this the spot know what side you're on. [laughter] >> Um, yeah, they never existed.
It's a madeup story.
>> I agree. Well, actually, do you know anything about the Hibiru?
>> Yeah.
So, the >> Shu.
>> Yeah, the Hibiru and the Shashu people, which is one of the claims that people try to make and say that those were the original Israelites, but those were different groups of people as well.
Well, they were the founders for what we like I guess what is conventionally called a Canaanite, but an Israelite I mean I guess it'd be hard to find the Israelites because you can't really find the Amobittes or you know >> I would >> I would I would say the Shashu could possibly be >> the Canaanites >> Canaanites. I wouldn't give that to the Hebrew people because the Hebrew people were a band of mercenaries and robbers and came from multiple different >> well the Sashu were were a nomadic little tribe of people that first started down in like the Sinai Peninsula and the Arabian Peninsula and then migrated up north to the Levant.
>> So how about the Hisco? Oh, the H sauce.
Um, they I mean they could have merged into and be they so is it is my perspective that the Hixos when they were kicked out of Egypt um after who was it? Then Moses the third I believe one of the pharaohs around that time frame kicked them out >> that they merged with the people that were already there and merged with the Shashu people and became part of the Canaanites. But I think they probably became parts of multiple different cultures, you know, in that region, >> right?
Oh, yeah. Well, and so the whole like I guess the whole thing about uh the cattle warfare and this is do you know anything about like how we got the chariots?
>> How we got what chariots?
>> How uh how Egypt got like war chariots?
>> Well, they already had some chariots.
It's just the Hicks brought in a better model of chariots, >> right? like they had for the most part different animals that they were using >> like in total but that's how they actually got in. Uh so I guess evidence shows that they were not only selling some of these animals to the Egyptians but they were also migrating amongst the mercenary class of the Egyptians to basically you know show them the efficiency of chariot working.
>> Yeah. Um and then using those chariots like you're saying that mostly ran them up out of there using the techniques that they had uh actually brought.
>> Right.
>> So that's Yeah. But so that's why I thought it was interesting. Um you know as far as those people they they possibly did exist but they absolutely did not exist according to the perspective of the Bible.
>> No. Exactly. I agree with you 100% on that one. They didn't exist.
>> Yeah. Well, no, man. I think you're deep.
>> Okay.
>> I think uh I think this is good work here, but I'll let you get on.
>> All right. Appreciate it.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Have a good one. Thanks.
>> Good luck.
>> Let's see. We got a couple other people that popped up.
I didn't see the complete order.
Let's see if I can get it in somewhat of the order that people popped up.
Okay. Some people just clicked on it by accident, I'm assuming.
Oh, I hate how there's a delay. Atheist Church, what is your name?
>> Adam.
>> Adam. And are you over 21?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, good. Uh I would think based on your name there that you have you're that you're not you don't believe in these stories.
>> Um well the novice flood like there could have been like a global flood like that's not like I think something something clearly like might have happened. I don't know if it was a flood or it seems like there was advanced civilizations that got wiped out. I mean there there so there could have been a flood and uh the story could have been based on a previous old story like some guy the raft or something but [laughter] and then uh the tower of apple like it's like it's a mythological story but you know language should get waved out or something but >> no >> I don't think they're building a tower but >> um so as far as a worldwide flood the closest thing we have to a worldwide flood would be the younger dest flood which never covered the tops of any mountains. It just went about it it rose sea level by 400 feet. So just think 400 feet of coastal area was drowned. So if you were like in Montana, you never experienced this flood that they claim.
I mean obviously when it like like there's no way you cover the tops of mountains and stuff but like >> I don't know how how much or you know if you had stage unthawing maybe that would cause a lot of rain or something like >> well that's the younger dry >> that's the younger destin you said >> um not so much rain but there was a rapid uh melting of the ice age from the last um melting rapid melting of the ice from the previous ice age. And you did have a younger dry freeze and then a rapid decrease I mean increase in temperature and then the ice caps all melted. Well, not the ice caps but all the uh a lot of the ice melted immediately over like a six seven day period and so we have this you might have had some tidal waves some tsunamis but that would have been about I mean that that's devastating enough but that would have been about it. Uh the Persian Gulf seems like it developed 10 ft of it lost 10 feet of of shoreline per day >> and that was formed the Persian Gulf.
Before that it was land because we can see ancient rivers up under the Persian Gulf.
>> Oh, it's kind of crazy.
>> Yeah. So as far as now you're right, these stories then get passed down based on most likely this young younger dus flood. They get passed down as worldwide floods. That's why there are three Mesopotamian flood stories before you get the Noah's flood stories.
>> Said it's called younger younger dest flood.
>> Yeah. the younger destin.
[laughter] >> Yeah. And some of the evidence that you're going to find is going to be like off the coast of Japan. There's seems to be a somewhat of a city that was once above land above ground. Um the the ancient rivers that are in the Persian Gulf. So the Persian Gulf used to be green. So and then in I forgot where in Southwest Asia you're going to find in Southwest Asia where they have temples and buildings that were coastal and they're under the water along the chain of islands that make up like Bali and all of those islands.
>> You're going to see where it used to be a complete one land bridge and Madagascar. You'll see that they that Madagascar used to be a hell of a lot bigger. I'm not going to go all the way to the whole Lamria size, but it was a lot bigger. So, there's tons of evidence for a younger dice flood all over the world.
>> Wikipedia says the younger dry impact hypothesis is a widely refuted French hypothesis for the cause of sudden influx of fresh water into the ocean life.
My goodness.
I wouldn't look at who they're citing.
Wikipedia can be good in one instance, but then in another instance, not so much. Um, try Google Scholar. Have you ever used Google Scholar before?
>> I mean, it's just like I guess I guess that's the narrative they're pushing though. It's a first result. But yeah, I mean, uh, clearly clearly something had like I don't know like I mean there's there's pretty clear evidence like I mean one the sea levels change and stuff, but >> it won't be I know how to do Google and stuff. I just was reading the first result like >> I'll take you over Wikipedia you know like [ __ ] >> I tend to use Google Scholar because you can get um you'll get PhD papers on there now it's it's tedious because you'll have different papers written by different people and then you have to look up where those people are writing these stories based off on where they're writing their PhD they dissertation what school they're involved with and then understand the politics of that school Um, and then you also have archaeological journals, so you can find those as well.
So, white because that'll be cool to watch the animations and stuff.
>> Gotcha.
Gotcha. Gotcha. No, I understand.
especially >> u and as far as the Babylonian language, the Babylonian language lasted far longer than the whole Tower of Babel story supposedly happened. The Tower of Babel story supposedly happened somewhere around 2500 2400 BC.
Um, but we still have the Babylonian language all the way into the towards the end of towards the end of the fifth century BCE. Fourth fifth fourth fifth fourth fifth century BCE. We still had the Babylonian language. Oh, he dropped.
He had to go. Appreciate you. Appreciate you.
I only do one person at a time for those who are wondering. And I like when people try to use some type of reverse psychology. Oh, you scared. Let me up.
You'll get up if you come up in the turn. But I can tell you, you start preaching, I'll cut you off. Don't do preaching. Uh Perry.
Oh, Perry was accidental. I'm thinking [clears throat] Lil Lit Boy. Li, was that lit lit boy Max?
Thank you. Thank you. Um, Haley, Lit Boy Max.
Lit Boy Max. Now, here's what's funny.
Lit Boy Max was in the comments talking all type of trash. Oh, I'm I'm coming up. I'm coming up. You I want to preach then. Lit Boy M.
>> Damn. About time.
>> Yo, what's up?
>> How you doing? How old are you?
>> I'm 26. Okay. And all right. I'm assuming that you're a believer based on your comments.
>> In what?
>> What is that?
>> The religion I created.
>> Okay.
>> I'm trying to speak the truth.
>> We don't do any preaching on here.
>> You are doing preaching whenever you're trying to argue all this snow floods and all that. That didn't happen. So, what's your proof? What's your proof that the earth is flat?
>> A lot of proof. The sea level changing.
That's one of them.
>> I'm Let me Let me cut you off right here. I don't get into flat earth conversations. It's a stupid conversation.
>> Now, you're scared to argue about it, right?
>> No, I'm not scared. It's dumb. It's dumb.
>> What's dumb about it? You tell me what's dumb about it.
>> Tell me what's dumb about it. Huh?
I I don't I don't do there are certain conversations I don't even have. Flat Earth is one of them. I don't have time for flat earth conversation. Um essay ranking gave 440 gems. I don't know what gems are but thank you for whatever they are. Appreciate that. Um any support of the channel I greatly appreciate. So thank you very very much. Now, the only type of flat earth conversation that I ever get involved in is the fact that if you are a believer in the Bible, then you should believe that the earth is flat, which scientifically is idiotic.
Getting into all these different little [ __ ] people, how can water stay on a ball?
How are you spinning a thousand miles per hour?
All that stuff is stupid. It's like they never heard of any of the laws of physics. Like you have to get rid of all the laws of physics in order to believe in in that like no torque, no centrifugal force, get rid of all that stuff. Can't have centrifugal force.
Can't have an atmosphere when it comes to that type of stuff.
Perry Perry, >> you there?
>> Hey, how you doing?
>> Oh, yes. We're doing good. Good. Pretty good. Are you over 21?
>> I am over 21.
>> Good. Good. And are you a believer in the Bible?
>> Um I am not respectfully though.
Respectfully.
>> Oh, I don't believe in it either. So >> you know analysis. Um so I was curious what your thoughts are on um you ever heard of gob this structure?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. What what are your thoughts on um on the fact that they date this to about 11,000 years ago to around the younger diet the timeline of what they conventionally think is the story of what are your thoughts on that? I'm curious.
>> The story of of who?
>> Oh, they they made this structure to about 10 to 12,000 years ago. A very >> right. I got that part. You said but you said somebody's story >> um you know the mainstream narrative of humanity in civilization say it started on >> yeah like they say that timeline's about 6,500 years ago but this structure dated about many thousands years before that >> right >> so I'm curious do you think there was humanity or civilization advanced civilizations 10 to 12,000 years ago before people think it started >> oh most certainly and Okay, >> let me clarify what I call civilization.
Anytime you have a group of people, regardless of their technology, are living together >> as a unit, then that is civilization.
You don't have to have certain technology. I know a lot of people want to say, "Oh, unless they have a language, unless they have writing, unless they have farming, they're not a civilization yet." Yeah. I don't if if you put a hundred people on an island that's a ci and they got they live together with rules that's a civilization. So the gobecke does show that these people understood.
They looked at the sky. They saw shapes in the sky. They imprinted those on the teaars.
[snorts] They were a combination of hunter gatherers and farmers is what one of the latest things that I saw about them. One of the latest discoveries that it was a place that they stayed at.
Where are you?
>> We are we right now. Sorry it might be a little loud. Is the noise getting a little crazy?
>> It's some kind of like like in a laundromat with that presser that steam presser that go >> of compressed air over here.
>> Okay. Compressed air. Uh but anyways, >> but yeah. So I Yeah, I think those >> Yeah. What I hate is that Turkey is already turning it into a tourist trap.
Yeah.
>> And so and they and then they planted >> I mean I know they planted those trees which is going to mess up the excavation site because it's much larger than what they've shown. You know the lidar has shown that is is far bigger than what they've excavated thus far. But Turkey was so in a rush to make money off of it that it's only like 5 10% excavated.
What do you think about hybridism?
>> Hybridism?
>> What is hybridism?
>> Yeah, you know. Well, >> oh, he got disconnected. I don't know where he works. That's a lot of noise.
Lot of noise. A lot of noise.
Dude, I'm not bringing you back up here to talk about flatter.
I'm not talking about flatter.
It happened. All of it. All of it. God's word. And yeah, I need you to prove it happens.
And if you come with anything that's Ron Wyatt, which is another one of those conversations I don't even bother with.
If you are going to talk about one Ron Wyatt's discoveries, then it shows that you have not done any re research on Ron Wyatt or the fact that none of his stuff has been peer-reviewed. So there no ark has been found, no chariots have been found. Uh no blood, no none of that stuff has been found.
And it's amazing. We can dig up all these other things, but not one aspect, not none of the biblical people. We have found things that should corroborate their stories. We have not found, but we can find all this other stuff on the ground. We haven't found anything that demonstrates that Joshua conquered the Levant when he claims that he con conquered it.
What we found is other civilizations that were thriving during that time frame and depending upon the time frame that were either a hodgepodge of different Canaanite citystates or until around the 1500s when they got conquered by the Egyptians again and it was under Egyptian rule until about 1000 and then they lost the Egyptians lost after the Bronze Age collapse they lost control of the Levant and then around 9:25 we have some Egyptians come in and reconquer the Levant for about a year and then they get kicked out again and 9:25 supposedly is that time frame of David and Solomon but or right before it but we don't have anything we have only thing we have about David is one steel that is tella and it says that this king conquered and utterly destroyed the house of David and killed his seed which is killing his kids so then so how if if he killed David and his kids, the house of David, and they're seized. Then how do these people still exist? How they still walking around? How they're still like this Hezekiah, Josiah, and all these other people that come after their seed was if David's seed was destroyed.
If David Seed was destroyed, and it could be hyperbole, one one or two people could have escaped.
But where's the evidence of any of that?
But none of these things happened. Yeah, I agree. Tomorrow we'll be talking about the New Testament, but yeah, the New Testament never happened either.
You know, it amazed me when people just make some of the most arbitrary statements. This man don't believe in his kids. I don't have to believe in my kids. I know my kids exist. Talked to one of them earlier today.
Right. And the Tower of Babel to me, I I view this as a grandpa story. And when I say grandpa story, it's like, "Oh, my my grandkid come up to me." I don't have any grandkids, but they come up to you and tell them this big fish story. Where did all the language come from, granddad?
Well, let me tell you. Let me tell you.
See, one time they were just tower and you know, after the flood and and the people were trying to get close to God and and God was like, "Oh, look at the hubris. They don't they need to learn some lessons." And so then he he came and shut him down because he said if they can do this there's nothing that man can't accomplish because of course this God doesn't want man to be able to accomplish things. I mean think of that man being in unity. [laughter] This God wouldn't want that. So I got to disrupt their languages so that so they can show some humility and thereby separating the people once again. Now one the people separating the people once again into these are my favorite children. I like my grandkids from from this child not the other child.
That's how dumb that story is. It's a dumb story.
That's why I call it a grandfather story. It's like one of them stories that your grandfather is like making up as he go along to tell his children.
Hey, Cherry.
>> How's that? How's that? Uh, >> when I was the baby, >> you made a what? Last night.
>> I made 10k followers.
>> Oh, outstanding. Congratulations.
>> Uh, thanks. Um, but you know, I'll be letting them get to me when they start saying all that you going to go to hell and blah blah blah. I'll be letting them get in my head.
I don't know why intoxinated.
>> Uh you shouldn't let them get in. I mean, you gota it's because you make that conversion away from it. Sometimes the the emotional conversion takes a little bit more time.
>> It's a delay. Yeah. Okay. So, let me tell you what I did. That link that I just put in the chat, I made a game called um Christian comeback bingo.
Christian comeback bingo.
>> Square game. It's It's not a scam or a joke or anything. I I literally if you if you take that link if y'all type it in, right? So the square the middle is a free space. That's free will. And then I also got um what else I put on there that um that that wasn't a Christian.
You're going to hell.
um out of context.
[laughter] So when I live stream, my viewers can play um bingo so that whenever we get an excuse, they can just wipe it out on their bingo card of the the Christian.
[laughter] >> Gotcha.
Cuz they have a lot of the same little canned comebacks and most of the time they can't even explain the comeback.
>> Oh yeah. Ethiopia.
Don't get me started.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I think I hurt someone's feelings the other day when I broke down how there [clears throat] is no such thing as an English translation of the of the Ethiopian Bible.
There's there's just not it's never been translated from Giaz to English.
>> Wait, you didn't see the Ethiopian start to clap back on TikTok? You didn't see You didn't see them going viral yesterday?
>> Uhuh.
Oh, the Ethiopians are starting to make um Tik Toks saying, "Stop talking about Ethiopia. You never been here. You don't even know where we live. You don't even know what languages we speak. And why do black Americans keep keep talking about Ethiopia?" Like, they feel disrespected.
a Ethiopian Christian woman went on live yesterday and was talking about um how they don't even have the the knowledge or the intellect to be bringing her country and her religion into the conversation.
>> I agree.
>> And then guess what? She got all them, you know them FBA, them fundamental black, she [clears throat] got all of them in her comments telling her that she's wrong.
She like, "How you going to tell me I'm wrong?" I live here. I'm born and raised here.
>> No, I didn't see that. Um, >> I'mma send you the video.
>> Yeah, send that video to me because that that's funny. That is funny because these, you know, the one of the saddest part about black Americans is that they're reaching out so hard to try to find an identity that's other than American. And I understand that to a certain degree, but instead of reaching out to what is more of a trueer identity, they're trying to grab hold to the more popular identity. Oh, I'm comedic.
I'm Ethiopian. Your family didn't come from no damn Egypt or Ethiopia. They came from West Africa.
>> West Africa.
>> But they don't want that because they want some grand her um heritage. But all you got to do is look beyond what from the from the point of the Europeans when they came down and colonized and conquered. Just look beyond that and you will see kingdoms. You will see chiefs and kings and queens. You will still see the same type of civilizations that you can see in these other ones. It's just they were conquered at some point. It happens.
Every nation, every nation goes through some ups and downs, but they want to be popular.
and they have no heredity to those people.
>> I'mma send you that um or I'mma tag you and that Ethiopian she got she got black Americans arguing her up and down and she lives in Ethiopia. She look Ethiopian by the face everything.
>> Yeah. Tag me in that.
>> She's a Christian. Yeah. And they telling her, "Well, you're studied this." She like, "What?
You can't study it unless you can read GZ. Otherwise, you're just reading English translations of similar books.
And some of those books don't have the same thing that the GZ language has. So, it's just dumb. Yeah. Send me. Yeah. Uh, connect me to one of those.
>> Okay. I'm send you I'm send you.
>> Okay. All right. Bye.
Yeah. I find that to be one of like the funniest things when they do that.
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I think Revan Dixon was next.
Revan Dixon.
Reverend Dixon.
I don't know if there's a delay or something.
Rev. Revan.
The Tower of Babel is why we speak different languages. You know that there were languages already spoken on the planet long before the Tower of Babel.
There has not been a time on the planet that we can identify where everyone spoke the same language.
And I'm guessing Reverend Dixon is is not there any said churches are modern day towers of Babel. Yeah, I would agree. It's just a whole bunch of confusion. And which is funny because Babel in the Hebrew, ancient protohebrew does mean confusion.
But when you but in Babylon, Babel, Babel meant um gateway and Babylon means gateway of the gods.
So it has absolutely nothing to do with it. And there was this ziggurat that kept continued to be unfinished. And that's what this story is most likely based on of them trying to finish it for like 90 years during the Babylonian captivity. So they just made up some [ __ ] Oh, okay. They canceled their request.
Got this one dude. He's just hanging in the request line.
Little bit. Little boy Max.
We just don't I I don't do Y'all been telling me I'm too patient on people. I'm learning not to be patient with some people.
But Ethiopia definitely has become part of a major deception in the world today with people trying to attach themselves to the Ethiopian Bible. So let me explain it.
The Ethiopian Bible is written in GZ.
There has never been an English translation of their Bible from GZ to English. What most people are buying as Ethiopian Bibles is where somebody has looked people have we know the books that are in the uh Ethiopian Bible, the actual one.
And so they take the English version of those books that we already have and and then they put them together and say this is the Ethiopian Bible.
But the problem is that the English versions that come from the coin in Greeks do not translate or say everything that the Ethiopian Bible says.
So it's a bunch of [ __ ] when they try to grab hold to this Ethiopian Bible. You don't even know what you're reading.
you don't even have the full information or the full full um doctrine that the Tawida Tawidita church is following.
And the only reason black people are doing it is because it's from Ethiopia.
So they're being scammed. They're being scammed to buy these books. And they're doing it.
And they're doing it. And you notice how nobody can come up here and show me how any of these things are.
I'mma see if this joker now I'm not talking about flat earth. You got to prove to me that any of these stories happened. Let me give you one more shot.
Little boy. Little boy Max. Little boy Max.
Oh [ __ ] >> Yo, what's up, man?
>> All right. So, do you want to talk about the subject matter?
>> Uh, I want to talk a little bit about What? What do you believe in?
>> What I believe in doesn't matter.
>> Doesn't matter.
>> What do you mean it doesn't matter? It doesn't matter, man.
>> No, it doesn't. If I'm talking about the information, what does that matter?
>> Because all your beliefs re they go back to your religion.
>> No, they don't.
Every every belief you got ties back to religion.
>> So So you saying you don't believe in a flat earth? That ties back into religion.
>> No, it doesn't. I don't believe in a flat earth because I've been out on a ship and I've seen that the earth is not flat. I've also researched information that shows that the earth is not flat.
So it has nothing to do with religion.
>> What ship have you been on?
The USS, the USS Nashville, the USS Austin, the USS Caipan, the USS Iwima, the USS Kennedy, the USS America.
>> What spaceship have you been on?
>> Are you not understanding that these are these are Navy? So these are these are Navy ships.
>> I served I served in the Marine Corps.
>> So you served in the Marine Corps, right?
>> Yep.
Well, I I just want to say thank you for your service. I I don't want to disrespect you in any aspect there.
>> Um I respect you for that.
>> I respect your courage. But what does being on a ship have to do with anything with the flat earth?
>> So when you're on a ship and you you don't have anything incumbrancing your viewpoint, you can see where another ship dips, how the ship dips below the curvature of the Earth. It doesn't just get smaller, get smaller, get smaller.
The ship literally sinks as it would over a curvature.
>> But that doesn't explain that the Earth is not flat.
>> Yes. If the Earth was flat, then there would be no curvature and the ship instead of sinking below the horizon, it would just get smaller and smaller and stay on the horizon.
>> That That's not how that works, buddy.
That's exactly how the science of a curvature on the earth works.
>> Show me there is no curvature. I've been on a plane before. I've been on a boat before.
>> There is no curvature whatsoever.
>> If you was on a boat, you weren't paying attention. And on a plane, how are you going to see? You're not going to see that on a plane because you're not high enough >> to see the curvature. Now, now that you're not high enough, you think you're gonna see it on a boat?
>> Uh, yeah.
Yeah. Saw a bunch of times.
>> Show Show me a picture of the Earth. I want to see a picture of the Earth.
>> Actually, the Aremis the Aremis um little mission, they actually when they came back from the back side of the moon, they showed a picture of the Earth and and the astronaut who did it, he purposely said, "I did this because of the um flat earth people."
That's so you're believing a bunch of green screen and all that crap.
>> That's not green screen.
>> As as somebody in the Marines, you served in the Marines, right?
>> Yep.
>> War is fake. War is fake.
>> Okay. You about to really get kicked off my uh live when you are talking about people that I serve with who died.
>> Tell me war is not a business.
>> In that regard, I can agree with you.
But to say that it's fake, to say that when It's all made up, dude.
>> Bro, bro, you you just >> You're You're letting your emotions get to you, dog.
>> No, you're not going to disrespect the people that I know of who went into combat and died. Yeah. Are we going there? Did we go there because they say they had weapons of mass destruction and there were none? Sure. Did the military-industrial complex make a bunch of money? Sure.
But you're not going to disrespect the the people that I know of who fought, who died. We're not going there.
I I refuse. I gave you a chance, but you you [ __ ] that up real quick.
And never did you talk about the actual issue.
Excuse me.
And it's hot as hell here in San Antonio today. It's like 103 degrees.
>> [clears throat] >> Can't even talk about the issue. Dude, you're not You know what? Let's see.
I'm not dealing with somebody who can't even You can't even have a decent conversation about the issue at hand.
You just want to come up here and talk about your geopolitical idiocy.
There's something I want to do, but I don't see how I could do it.
Valerie, how you doing?
Valerie.
Okay, Valerie, if you are trying to come on to the show, I need you to turn the music down or turn the music off and then um unmute yourself, but I think you might have did it by accident. So, I'm going to give you a few minutes. I'm going leave you up there just a few minutes to see if that's what the situation is, but you getting it. Sound like some good 70s stuff going on in the background.
Well, como this your first live. Thank you for Thank you for joining us. Say get a telescope. And you know one of the things about and see flat earth stuff is stupid. You can they left las they left mirrors on the moon where you can get a regular telescope. You can point to the laser and you can you can if you get your telescope and you can and and a laser you can point it at the moon and get the reflection the refraction. These people are stupid.
Oh, okay. Sorry, I got you on a plane.
Got that good Wi-Fi.
All right. If the Earth was flat, and I like this one. He said it's a round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.
Right. If it was flat, we wouldn't have a uh the the eclipse on a lunar eclipse would have a plane shape on it with maybe the little under part of shol that they try to say exist.
And I don't think people realize how big the earth is. See, I'm not getting into this dumbass conversation. I'm not cuz then people don't think I'm talking about flat earth on hill. Hely.
>> Hello. Hello.
>> How you doing?
>> Good. How are you today? I'm doing great. I don't know if my camera just went out, but I got a business deal going on at the same time. They they had all morning to get the paperwork and everything sent to me and everything.
And now they're doing the I'm sorry. Yeah. Now they're doing like all the paperwork. Like this some [ __ ] Well, it ain't [ __ ] It's good. But sorry.
How you have my 100% attention right now.
>> You're good. You're good.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] >> But um so within part of my theory that I was telling about yesterday, part of that is that I believe a lot of these stories actually all happened back in Greece >> and then within one of the floods they went down the water or Moses when the the water parted. It wasn't actually the Red Sea, it was the Mediterranean Sea.
Right. And so then they just went straight down because that's just a straight shot if you cut through that sea from Greece. And up in Greece within the Greek mythology, they speak of a a city that's placed within the two rivers the same as the other people.
>> Okay. I don't know this Greek story.
>> Well, it's I think it's a place called uh Pythus is the original name. A lot of stuff happened. it turned into a couple other places, but um it's like it was described as like where the two rivers meet and like um I can't remember the stories that happened in there specifically, but within that I believe that when they did flee, they fled straight down the Mediterranean, ended up where they did, and then just claimed that land to be like, "No, this is the land they were talking about. No, they made God made this one. This was one the one for us kind of thing." So, because like I said, the Torah had already been rewritten long long long time ago by um where that came all down to was Ezra because Ezra, like I said, had been exiled from or not exiled, he had been exiled within Babylon and then he was sent as part of the Babylonian government, mind you, to take the Torah back to Judea and the um and the people to reestablish Judea.
When was this?
>> That was I think she got a phone call.
>> I um I would have to Google it to see when the exact time when Ezra took the Torah from Babylon to Judea. But at that same time, >> that's the first time it was codified by only him.
>> I think that that should be around in the 500s.
Yes, DC somewhere around there if I believe. So, so he at that time codified the story and so would have been the only one to been able to validate the story that he codified.
And when they went to um challenge to see if the Torah was correct, the priest they got to decode the Torah had already learned the coded Torah. So they were basically trained on the the translation already. So they translated it perfectly.
So they took that as verification that it was actually the correct >> Torah.
>> But it wasn't. It was whatever Ezra said it was.
>> Ex. And that's one of the things that I I don't think people really understand is that even when you look when you look at the actual people who most likely are real in the Bible, when they when Josiah, Ezra, when these people said what they said and translated things and they were in the leadership position, the people just bowed down to it much the same way people do today.
>> Correctly. And so also within that, I think the Babylonian government had told him to write in certain rules and laws within that so people would abide by them more clearly if they thought God said it.
>> Exactly. And we see that >> it was partially I think it was basically like a plant essentially. Ezra was sent in uh to essentially do that because the only person to verify the book of Ezra is Ezra and the book of Leviticus is actually just the records, the blood records that the Levvis apparently kept because power needs a paper trail.
>> Exactly. Thank you. So >> people don't realize how much politics.
That's why I had when I when I was researching the Bible back when I was a believer, one of the things that pushed me away from the Bible was all the political ramifications that are involved in these different groups of people saying this is true, this is true, this is true. But when you look at the politics of it, Ezra was given permission from a Babylonian king. He didn't just have cart bl brunch to go and do whatever he wanted to do or what he thought was right or what he thought this guy said. He he was he was under the rulership of somebody else. And so all these books that we that people are believing in, there's a political spin to all of them based on who was ruling them at any given time.
And I don't know if you was on here yesterday, but I was making that point yesterday about uh the Jesus character that him and P pilate and you know all these people had to they had to bend to the will of Rome. They had to bend to the will of the Sanhedrin in order for them to gain the followings and to survive.
Otherwise, these things wouldn't exist.
>> Precisely. So like that's where my theory comes in about Greece. So I think Moses was a a like uh like a good man essentially. He was still of good faith or whatever. So they designated him to take the survivors and take them back out of whatever was going to happen for that flood.
>> Have you ever You mean Noah?
>> No, I'm talking about when Moses parted the race.
>> Oh, part of the race. Have you ever read about um there was a a a guy named Themosis who went up not The Moses the king. one of the Pharaoh. Now, he might have been the Pharaoh, but one of the thoses went up into Goan where there was a camp for people with leprosy and he was up there with them, helped them out. And then when the Egyptians came to reconquer that land, they then crossed the Reed Sea to go over into the Sinai Peninsula at a time frame when the Reed Sea water which is only like six feet deep. But when the waters kind of recede and they cross through the Reed Sea during that time frame and that's I think that's that's in like the 15400s BCE which would be to that time frame. And this guy thought Moses changed his name to Moses.
>> Have you ever read about that?
>> That one. That's interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> And where did that one come from?
>> From the Egyptians.
>> Oh, >> yeah.
>> Interesting.
>> And it's not so much a parting of the Reed Sea. It's just there's a time frame when the the waters recede from it, which makes it then crossable without a boat because it's only like six feet deep.
like a severe low tide that lasts for like >> couple days as well.
>> Yeah.
>> But yeah, I just don't I I think part of the issue is just the overall belief is that I just don't think it happened where they said it happened.
>> [ __ ] I don't think it I'm thinking that 99% of it is based on somebody else's story and then they legendize the story >> which could be possible too because like we were talking about yesterday a lot of it crosses over with Greek mythology but Greek was always taken as mythology even though they speak of wars that truly happened and things that we can historically validate but is still taken as mythology somehow.
Yeah, it is. I'm I'm sorry. You know what? I gotta be honest. My little business situation popped up on my screen again. What was that last part you said? I got most of it, but not all of it.
>> Remember what I said now either.
>> Oh, all right.
Well, I appreciate you. Let me go to some other people.
>> Sounds good.
>> All right. You have a great day.
I am sorry everybody. I am handling some business stuff.
Okay.
All morning. This stuff could have been handled. But it's all right. I'mma talk bad. I'mma call them up and talk bad about them.
Like y'all know. But hey, you think y'all more important than them? Nope.
This is business.
That's why it kills me when people say, "Oh, you're only doing this for the business. You trying to get money out of people." If y'all if they only knew.
If they only knew.
And let me see if I can find that real quick about Thmosis. It's an interesting thing to go and study.
And I think it's Thmosis.
Um, is this the one 18th dynasty?
I know Sigman Fraud tried to say that Aenatan was mo was Moses, but that has been proven to no be nowhere near true.
I know I spelled that word wrong, but hopefully it'll find it correctly.
Who was that damn person?
Okay. So where that comes from for Heli and for anybody else who wanted to look at it.
Uh this was written by in the 3rd century BCE by the historian Manetto in his book. I can't even say AE G Y P T I C A.
So look up Mantho and Moses.
Instead of liberating Jewish slave, the Egyptian tradition frames the Exodus as an expulsion of rebellious colony of lepers led by an renegade Egyptian insider.
So basically you had 80,000 lepers who were regulated up into the northern area in order to cleanse Egypt. and in this leprosy camp near avarest um which that used to be the capital when the Hicks rule but then Oros yeah sorry I said thosis notes it's Orosophus orophus becomes the leader in in this colony and then they were they were kicked out of Egypt and there's only about 80,000 of So it's Orusophus and it's written by Maneto in the 4th century BCE.
So if anybody want to go research that, that's where you go research that book.
That's that's a that's that's your starting point and then you can go from there.
Nobody ain't get no defenders of the Christianities.
Where are the defenders of the belief solar solar music?
>> Hello. Hello.
>> How you doing? Are you over 21?
>> Uh, yes.
>> All right. Are you a believer in the Bible?
>> I was believer in the Bible. Yes, sir.
Um I fall short the glory of God every single day unfortunately.
>> Okay. So what do you think of the subject matter?
>> The subject matter did the Torah actually happen. So in that question I would say um the Torah was the original manuscript for uh the Bible uh during whenever um they started writing the gospel but not the gospels but just the putting piecing together the the Bible from the crucifixion of Jesus right whenever Peter and uh all they founded the churches and stuff correct the Torah the original the original manuscript >> well I'm not going to say so into the languages >> I I mean, I'm not going to say it's an original manuscript. The Torah is supposed to be the first the first five books of the Bible. Supposedly written by Moses.
>> That's what it is. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. Supposedly written by Moses. Um >> the Torah actually. That's a good question for me in my opinion. I'm somewhat knowledgeable, but not entirely. So I don't want to say too much um not knowing uh facts in future circumstances but for creation obviously I would think that there had to be creation in order for everything to transpire um down the road um Adam and Eve was the product of uh you know God's love for you know his creation. Okay.
But that can be said for any religion.
Any religion's creation and even science's creation of what we know life is today. That could be said for any of them. That doesn't mean that doesn't prove any of these things.
>> Just the names, but like the ideas of that did the Torah actually happen. Um it it would be hard for me to uh say yes or no with that. um apart from >> delving in depth to what those books mean um verbatim so to say.
>> I mean those books are supposed to be they're supposed to be history. They're supposed to be recorded history. So according So do you believe that the that that humans on the planet have only been here since 404 BCE?
I believe that the earth is no uh more than what do they say 6 to 10,000 years old according to creationism. Now the the carbon dating and fossils that they use for the 4.5 billion year ratio about the planets and stuff I find that hard to believe because I can't even count to $100,000 easily. Okay, let alone 4.5 billion years. you you should find carbon dating of that many years to be hard to believe because carbon dating can't go back that far. The further our technologies and carbon dating can only go back to about 50,000 years. Um >> yeah, >> but that's not how the earth is dated through carbon dating. And even in the book of Job, if you go beyond the Torah, even in the book of Job, it talks about uh behemoth and it talks about Leviathan and interpreting that into how you would um you could very well say that uh perhaps >> Let me let me interrupt you for a second. Uh one, I need you to speak up because >> I'm sorry about that. They can hear me now.
>> Yeah, that's better because people on the other platforms can barely hear you.
But >> okay >> uh I wasn't finished in explaining that it's not car through carbon dating that we date back the age of the earth. Most of it is done through other radiometric dating like uranium dating uh is one of the primary ones that is utilized because of the the length of the half-life of uranium can be measured which shows that the earth goes back to like four billion years.
>> Right. Yeah. And I had actually uh had ran across that. But my very first youth minister, I remember him talking about how inaccurate radio uh not radio, carbon dating is um for uh for that subject.
>> Okay. Again, it's not carbon dating.
Carbon dating is accurate up to 50,000 years.
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm agreeing with you on >> Okay. Okay. Gotcha.
>> Yeah. You know, like I said, I believe that the earth is about 6 to 10,000 years old according to creationism. Now, I don't know for a fact how old it is, but I can't believe the car the carbon dating theories about what they do with that. I think it's just evolutionists and stuff that do.
>> Okay.
So, when you say >> scientific stuff, I mean, yeah, it works. Like you said, I'm agreeing with you. So, yeah, stop talking. Well, you can't agree on both of them because and I think it's because you got carbon dating in your mind, radiometric dating, talking about uranium dating. Uranium dating allows us to measure the isotopes to go back billions of years. We don't use carbon dating for the dating of the Earth.
Well, and individual figures like Abraham and Moses and Noah, >> they can't be verified by archaeology or um any of that stuff, you know, uh geographical, you know, the cultural details in Genesis, so to say, such as ancient adoption practices, you know, like nomatic migration roots and city names, they align with the middle bronze age. So that would be a creationist aspect on the 6,000year ratio in my opinion. I I can't be wrong though.
>> Well, the problem with many of the stories in the Bible when you go from Adam, Eve, Noah, Tower of Babel, Abraham is that they don't match up to >> not be verified by archaeology. Sorry to interrupt you.
>> But the problem is that they fly in the face of archaeology. like they make claims that could not have happened uh in their time frame. So like Abraham dealing with King Amalecch is an acronistic impossibility because the Phoenicians I mean the Philistines would not have been in the Levant there archaeological evidence so that the Philistines didn't come into the Levant until around the 13th century BC. But Abraham would have been in if he did exist would have been happening in around 22 BCE.
So we got like a thousand year gap >> the same that was used before the pyramids or after the pyramids, excuse me. was more than a long time. The pyramids don't really have anything to do with it because Amalecch was >> but Amalecch would have been around wasn't around when Abraham would have been telling him that Sarah was his was his sister and not his wife. Amalecch didn't have a kingdom at that time frame for Abraham. So the Bible is making these his these timeline mistakes that are huge which demonstrates that the people who are writing about writing the story, they were writing it after Amalecch and after they knew they the Philistines were a culture group, a a people group.
Now flood stories that were coming across uh dang Mesopotamian literature's as the um you know the Toris supposedly reflects shared regional tradition.
>> Before you go to the floods, what do you think about the fact that Abraham could not have been existing at the same time as the Phoenicians in the Levant? When I think of that, I think whenever Jesus did the um was it the sermon on the mount whenever the two apparitions appeared before the disciples and one could have been uh who were the two it was Abraham and Moses, wasn't it? Jesus was talking to out Elijah. Yes, sir.
Elijah outside of time itself. And that's why it was so mindblowing to them. Um I I would imagine that it would be the same idea that I would take whenever whenever Adam couldn't have existed at the same time. Um that's what you had stated.
>> Okay, that makes no sense whatsoever.
How >> what was the what was your original?
>> So Amalecch Abraham talks about having this dealings with Amalecch who was a Philistine king and that he told the king that Sarah was his sister. He took her. The king took her because that was his kingly right to do. Uh but then supposedly God came to Amalecch and said, "Don't do that. Don't have sex with her because that's another man's wife." Amalecch gets mad at Abraham and tells Abraham, "You know, you tried to mess me up." Amalecch gives Abraham all this money and go and and cattle and slaves and then tells the people, "Don't mess with Abraham and let Abraham buy this land." And that's when he goes by this land from the from the I think a Edomite or somebody like that.
So these this is not some time this is a story that's being told in a chronological order of events happening with buying and selling products and all this kind of thing. Well buying and selling land and the gifting of animals and stuff. The problem is that Amalecch the Philistines weren't in the Levant at that time frame. and they were still up near the Black Sea area. They hadn't migrated that far.
So, they're writing this when they're the the scribes who are writing this story are mixing up the timelines of who Abraham could have been talking to at that time frame if that story was real.
They insert Amalecch, the Philistines, and that's an acronym.
That's an anacronism.
Okay. Okay.
>> So, it definitely shows Moses didn't write this that Moses didn't write this story.
>> Yeah. And I never um keen to know who would have wrote the accounts of Genesis. I think that's was just common or would they say just a common grounds for that Moses being the one to have wrote the first five books of the Bible.
>> Yeah, that's the claim. The closest Yeah. The closest one that would have come supposedly because of said it's better to have been a handmade to this nation than a princess to the other. And that's what had produced >> occupied that you saw the produces 211.
Uh, apparently the text says that God remembered Sarah bringing about the miraculous birth of Isaac. I had remembered what Amalecch did to Israel ordering their destruction in 1st Samuel 15 verse two.
>> Yeah. And so Samuel is also getting it wrong. Amalecch could not have done anything to Israel because Amalecch wouldn't have been around like we know when the Philistines came to the Levant.
We we know the archaeology of it. So it's an impossibility.
>> The the the thing I would take away from this personally because you're rather an intellectual uh man say is um me personally if every uh account in the Bible, the Holy Bible and every uh word is verbatim. Um nothing can be taken or put into uh taken from or put into the god the the word of god would have meant the beginning of creation to those who wanted to understand where the the good story would lead to later down the line. uh throughout the all of the books of the Holy Bible, there would have had to have been a first account of the scripture in Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, so on and so forth to kind of lay out the grounds for what would be um the end of the Old Testament, you know, going the book of Jude into the New Testament um with the Gospels and all of that stuff. So in saying did the Torah actually happen? I don't think that I would ever >> deny the books of the uh holy Bible sort of saying no I have not read the Torah.
I know it's kind of a different might be a different account. It's not >> opposed to the you don't think it would be.
>> It's not it's the same thing. The Torah is just >> modern even modern books.
>> Well I wouldn't read the NIV but u the NIV I wouldn't read that one. That's a terrible translation based on the King James, which is a even worse translation.
>> King James King James had been into vampirism and stuff at one point. I don't I don't know if that's accurate or not.
>> I don't I don't know if that's true or not, but I wouldn't it's it's just the the aspect of the book is poorly translated and highly politicized is the reason why I wouldn't read it. But >> it just I think it just creates a vivid picture of what transpires to stories like the uh like the the talking donkey and the angel that walks the path in Moda. Um different different aspects of what transpires afterwards.
>> So are you are you are you saying that the stories are all just like fables?
not fables necessarily, but like a a leading up to laying out the path the ground like like like in Job I'm sorry I'm straying away from the Torah, but whenever God questioned Job saying who laid the foundations of the earth and were you there all of this stuff it it gives a reader and viewer an account of an actual timeline so to say opposed to not just vivid imageries of what's happening but necessarily but more so a timeline line that you can piece together that leads up to how you're supposed to view what went on when and how how accurately everything transpired to the construction and to the resurrection.
>> I'm not sure I'm understanding I'm not I must not just be grasping your meaning and don't not to say I'm not trying to be disrespectful but it sounds like like you're going through some mental gymnastics in order to make this thing stick.
That's usually.
So, I'm not, like I said, I'm not intelligent. I'm not intellectual. I I just kind of piece together inside my mind because I've been away from the church for so long. And it pains me to know that I'm not intelligent on these matters anymore whenever it's such a big topic in today's discussion. Um, now, >> so why would you believe them?
Like I said, I mean, you know, just to give an account based on the timelines of what would be um what would be said to happen after the facts and stuff.
It's like you can't have you you can't go to and order a dang burrito if you don't have where you're going to get in your empty to go first. Does that kind of make sense?
uh in this regard it does not make sense because here's the reason why.
So you brought up the transfiguration that Jesus supposedly experienced on the mountain with Moses and Elijah, >> right? With Moses and Elijah.
But if Moses never existed as a being, how could Jesus have this transfiguration moment?
If Elijah never existed as a being, how could he have this moment with these two beings if they never existed?
Now, Elijah not existing, he was the one who was carried up to heaven and never experienced death.
>> Well, he's one of two people according to the Bible.
>> You got Elijah and Enoch.
>> Enoch. Yeah.
>> Right.
>> So, how again there's you have to believe that mo the story of Moses is true. the stories of Elijah is true in order to have your ramping up to Jesus being on this mountain and talking to these dudes.
>> But if those stories aren't so how so you have to believe do you believe that those stories are true?
>> I would say in my personal being and not being able to elaborate more on it, I would have to say yes. just because of my firm belief that nothing could have been taken away from the scripture and nothing could have been added to the scripture according to the book of revelations which is the um I believe it according to the book of revelations I forget what verse would have been okay so do you think two million people would have been able to walk around the Sinai Peninsula which was still controlled by Egypt go into the so-called promised land which was controlled by Egypt and decimate all these people who were under Egypt's protection. And there's absolutely zero archaeology, zero people outside of the Bible writing about this.
>> I kind of just see it as a foundational origin story. Um, >> but like real ancient east near eastern settings, historical cultural memories.
Okay. But if but if it's a >> framework and stuff like that doesn't necessarily say based on prior knowledge or future knowledge. is kind of just like I've been saying like verbatim so to say like just word for word um uh textual evidence of what could have transpired in those times like the like the times of Noah or Moses, Joseph in Egypt um know Abraham I don't think we're talking the same about the same thing here because like I said gymnastics >> supposed to happen then >> you're doing gymnastics because in order supposed to happen. I guess that's the confusion.
I don't necessarily read as the Torah. I read it as the first five books of the Holy Bible.
>> I mean, that doesn't matter. It's the same thing. But if Moses never crossed the the Red Sea with two million people, if that never happened, if there was never these two million slaves in Egypt who were Israelites, the archaeology, the history shows us that that never happened.
So why would you still believe that? And but well, you're saying that you still going to believe it because you have faith even though everything in history shows that it never happened.
>> It would just really mainly rely on the actual it being in the scripture itself.
Um, now you say >> it's in there.
>> Separate the world and the first and the rest of the Bible because there's no difference.
>> Wait, it's in there. The the if you pick up any Bible um that you have today, any translation, even the ones that are good, they have the whole story of Moses and the slaves in Egypt and the the the plagues happening and all this stuff. All of that is in any Bible that you pick up.
So you're just reading it as the Old Testament, but none of those things have history shows that those things did not happen.
>> That was the law of God. I view the the Old Testament as the law of God.
>> That's not what I'm talking about, my man.
You you you keep moving around to some other subject matters that is not what I'm talking about.
let me ac I'm not trying to I'm not I'm not trying to knock your knowledge or nothing like is interesting to me your knowledge that like I'm just answering the questions that you have >> okay >> because I'm not intelligent about this stuff I'm just find it interesting >> okay all right man appreciate you >> sir sir >> and I would suggest Like my grandfather told me, I'm never going to stake my life on something that I'm not intelligent about.
Like I see a lot of people going into business since I had a whole bunch of business stuff happening while I was talking to Hely. I see people going into business and they have no business knowledge and then they ultimately fail.
If you're going to put your life into something, you should go get as much knowledge about it as you possibly can.
And acquiring this knowledge is not hard. What does it say?
Sorry.
Okay. All right.
See, it's just like this business deal that I'm working on right now. Those people, they don't have the knowledge that I have, but they're coming into business with me depending on that knowledge. The problem with churches is that we depend on people's knowledge who don't have the knowledge. Most of your pastors don't have the knowledge. Oh, and uh Janelle Christmas, thank you for the 10 gyms. Don't know what gems mean, but I'm going to look it up later, but I appreciate them.
You You got to have You know, these pastors don't know what the hell they're talking about. They've never studied it like this. And and some have, but they just ignore it.
Tony.
Tony, >> what up?
>> What's your name? Oh, my bad. Are [clears throat] you over 21, Tony?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. And are you a believer in the Bible?
>> Uh, not all of it.
>> Okay.
>> Believe it.
>> All right. So, as far as the Torah, the first five books of the Bible, is that tampered?
>> Uh, I don't think so. I think first five books is all right.
>> Okay. So, you think that those So, you think there were slaves in Egypt and 10 plagues and they hit them with 10 plagues and then they left?
>> Yeah.
And what's your what would be your evidence of that?
>> Well, just doing comparative studies and knowing uh uh seeing that uh certain events have been talked about by other people uh about the accident of Egypt.
>> What's the who who what other studies?
What comparisons?
Oh, well, I done did comparison studies on different uh religious backgrounds, Islam, uh uh just different books in general.
>> Okay. So, you compared the Moses story to the Islamic version of the Moses story, >> correct?
>> So, the Islamic version of the Moses story is pretty much a copy with some edits of the Jewish story. That's that's not comparative. That's not a comparison study.
Well, this is it's uh mainly lines up with the same uh story, >> right? So, if did you ever see you know how Brandy was in the Cinderella story?
>> Say that again.
>> You know how Brandy made a movie about of Cinderella?
>> Yeah.
>> And you know how there's the original Cinderella story, right?
>> Correct.
>> Bry's story would be Islam. The original story would be Judaism. That's not a comparison. That's just rewriting the same story.
A comparison study would be this is what's in the Bible that the Israelites claim and this is what the Egyptians claim. This is what the Canaanite people who were living in that land claim. And that and comparing what they all wrote or they their or the archaeology of it all. that will tell you who's right, who's wrong.
>> Well, that's uh if you look at the Islamic uh point of view, that's kind of what happened. Uh showing that uh certain things that's in the Bible, uh five first books, uh corrections were made like uh the story of Ishmael, for example, Ishmael and Isaac and uh the birthrights and all that. If you look at the Islamic version, it talk about how Ismael being the first chosen son was given the rights but uh as opposed to what the uh Bible says.
>> Okay. But again, the story of Ishmael is being written, although differently than what the Bible says, the Old Testament, is being written presupposing that Abraham existed and that he had sex with his his slave wife, Hagar, and they produced a child. So, they're already presupposing that the Abraham part is true.
Yeah, >> that's that's just adding your own version to the story to a story you already accept. Comparison study is comparing it to people who don't already say that it's true, but just having their information based on what they know.
>> Well, I mean, you got people that compare their knowledge uh to that story, you know, I mean, it's basically the same thing.
>> No, it's not. If I for example, if I was to compare myself uh okay, I have no knowledge of nothing and I compare and I read the story and I I say well I think this exist or this did not exist that would be comparative study.
>> That's my that would be my perspective on that. Okay. Same way when you get to the Islamic uh no your what you just said is very different from the Islamic version. And the Islamic version is is already having the previous knowledge.
You just said if you had no knowledge, but the Islamic version already has the knowledge of the Abrahamic story and is attaching themselves to it.
>> Yeah. But if you go, what I'm saying is go off from the beginning from what uh the prophet Muhammad said >> regarding u that story.
>> Okay. He allegedly says that he was a illiterate person with no knowledge of of heaven for that particular incident or religion in itself. But then uh the angel uh Jabriel post appeared to him and and then uh he later gave all that testimony to his followers. Right.
>> Okay. So it's not it's not a issue of uh someone already having some because he he didn't have the knowledge >> right but he's >> if you believe in the if you believe an angel came down and told him the story then you are presupposing that this particular angel who was part of the court of this god you're presupposing that that angel and that god already exist >> correct >> okay that's not a comparison >> perspective of And that's coming through.
>> And that's all it is is a different perspective of the same story that presupposes that the story that the the bedrock of the story is true. When we look at the Egyptian when we look at the Egyptian history, >> the Egyptian history don't pre they don't predispose that that story is true at all. And when you look at their history, they suffice.
They never suffered through the economic cataclysm that would have happened to Egypt and many other Mediterranean countries if Egypt had went through those 10 plagues.
>> Okay. But if All right. So that's same situation. You put yourself back in the same situation. You will have to say that you uh presupposing that that story or their belief is true >> of that this didn't happen.
>> Well, see here's the here's the thing.
This is what backs it up.
The time frame of Moses, depending upon whose version, what part of the Old Testament you're reading, uh, if you go based on if you go based on Kings, the book of I think I don't know if I can't remember it's the first or the second book of K, but I think it's the first book of Kings, this Moses story would have happened around the 1500s B.C.E.
If you go based on the Exodus story itself and MPA, it would have happened around 1200 B.CE.
1200 to 1300 BC. So we got like a 200-y year gap.
When we look at the archaeology of Egypt during that time frame, what we see is that Egypt flourished during that time frame from 1500 all the way to 1,00 B.CE. Egypt flourished and Egypt controlled the Levant.
So if those plagues had happened, Egypt would not have flourished. They would have lost control of the Levant, which is when we see the se during the Bronze Age collapse when a uh environmental economic crash did happen, Egypt lost control of that area. And we can see that they suffered during that time frame.
>> Okay. But okay, but uh from uh the scriptures perspective, okay, those plagues and stuff were not uh they were they were temporary. They didn't last forever.
So, and Egypt was prospering prior to the alleged plagues. So, I mean, uh evidence will still be there that they prospered.
>> No, sir. No, sir. Let me ask you a question. This is modern day today. If every if every animal in the United States died, that's not temporary. They all died. And according to the Exodus story, they died twice.
>> Would America still prosper if all the animals in America died?
>> If all the animals died.
>> Yeah. If all the animals in the United States died right now, would we not tail spin into a huge depression?
economically.
>> Yeah. I mean, well, it depends on what uh sources you going to use after the animals die >> because there's other resources that you can use other than animals.
>> Uh if the just the beef industry alone, if the beef industry was to collapse, >> Americans to just me.
>> Okay, you going off the subject.
If the American beef industry were to collapse today, America would be thrown into a serious depression. If the So when you said is a temporary and they still could have flourished, that's the point. There's no way that Egypt could have still flourished.
Let's say the blood in the water was temporary, which would have killed all the fish, which that would have killed their whole fishing industry, but let's say the blood was temporary, but all the fish would have died. If it lasts longer than an hour, it's all going to die.
They're all dying.
The the economic impact to Egypt at that time frame would have been devastating if those things would have happened. If the firstborn sons had all died, devastating to their economy. That's not a temporary thing. First sons dying, okay? All the everything in the water dying, all the animals dying, those are not temporary.
Can you honestly say that that Egypt still could have flourished?
>> Well, I can't say that it could have because you talk about the first sons. Even if we get rid of all the first sons, you still got other sons of Egypt.
>> Okay. All the fish dying, all the animals dying, all the wheat, all the wheat crops dying.
We got other resources.
>> Uh they were an agrarian society at that time frame. There there weren't other resources. What other resources are you talking about?
>> I'm saying you got other vegetations that they can use to substitute uh they use besides just wheat.
>> All the vegetation died.
>> Remember everything died?
>> No. Everything died. It said it killed everything. All the crops. All crops died. that all cross was decimated by the by the uh the locust and the hail storms. All that's gone.
>> Okay. But that's temporary. That ain't forever >> cuz you trying to you making you trying to see you trying to uh show that uh with these plagues that it was wiped out.
>> How long how long do you think it takes to regrow all the crops and all the animals and all the fish? Well, I'm not saying all everything would come back.
I'm saying that, okay, it's just like when you have a wildfire.
If you have a wildfire and the wildfire uh is there, it's temporary. That area comes back.
>> We're talking about a whole country, man.
>> You can't say you still can't say that that vegetation won't come back.
>> It Okay. Yes, it will eventually come back. But how long do you think it takes for all the vegetation to come back?
>> Well, I don't know about all of it, but it don't take long for a summer to come back.
>> How how long would you estimate?
It takes >> Have you ever Have you ever talked to a metaph you you know what do you know about farming?
>> I knew a little bit about farming.
>> Okay.
>> I was raised on a farm.
>> You was raised on a farm?
>> Yeah.
>> What happens to a farmer when his crop fails?
Well, if it's cost fail, he's done for the depends on what crop he is. He's done for the year >> and he he a whole year at least a whole year. At minimum, a whole year has to go by, right?
>> Correct.
>> All right. So, if every farm in America crop fail at the same time, it's going to take America at least minimum a year to grow new crops. That means you have no you have no you didn't harvest nothing.
you don't have enough grain or food to last your people through the year, mass starvation is going to happen and then you don't get the plant again until the spring and then you have to wait five, six, about four, five months before you can harvest that crop. So you got a whole year of surviving >> a year and a half >> and and when that happens that if if that happens to a whole country which we just saw what happened in America just during the dust bowl and that wasn't even the whole country and it plunged America into a great depression there were bread lines people were starving but we're but so when you push that when you look at that for a whole country and not only did their crops fail, all their animals died and all the fish are gone. That's mass starvation cuz >> I agree. But that don't mean everybody is going to die.
>> But would the but the I didn't say everybody would die, but would can you admit that the economy would have crashed?
>> I agree with you on that. It's going to crash. Okay. It's just like when we had the depression in this country, it's going to crash.
>> And we were an industrialized nation.
And how long did it take America to recover?
>> It's still recover.
>> Well, I mean, we recovered from the Great Depression, but just the Great Depression alone, do you know how long it took America to actually recover from that?
>> I don't know the exact uh timeline, but I I knew it took years.
>> It took over a decade for America to recover from it. And that's what being industrialized. That's what shipping lanes. And if it wasn't for World War II, it would have taken even longer.
>> Longer, right?
>> Egypt never experienced any of that during that time frame.
And they were a less industrious agrarian nation that depended the whole country depended on the the fish, the animals, and the crops.
And you think that they just recovered in a year?
>> No, I'm not saying that they recovered in a year, but that's uh I was just making the point that recovery could happen.
>> Okay. But here's the problem. We don't see none of that happening during this time frame. For these two 300 years, Egypt thrived the whole time. They grew.
They expanded. They built more.
uh temples and in and built built brand new cities.
They grew Ramsy's II built a whole city just a whole grain.
So they were growing during this time frame, not suffering at all.
So the Moses story can't be true if they did not suffer.
Well, it depends on how long did they suffer. That's my point. How long how long did the plagues last and how long did they actually suffer? Because I my belief is after they left after the uh Hebrews allegedly left up out of Egypt that Egypt went on and resumed as normal. How can they?
If you ain't got no plants, no animals, no fish, how you going to resume?
You got to you got to go through reconstruction.
You got to rebuild.
And that level of destruction would have taken decades upon decades in an agrarian society to rebuild.
And then other countries that depended on Egypt would have suffered as well, which would have been the entire Levant >> would have suffered. Remember in this story, Abraham, the Israelites go running down to Egypt twice because of a famine, right?
>> Correct.
>> And they're just right up the street. So if Egypt would have which was the bread basket of Mesopotamia of the Mediterranean, if Egypt would have suffered all of that, you would have saw suffering happen in Greece, in North Africa, in the Levant, in Mesopotamia, in Turkey, all of these places would have been suffering. And so it would have been a widespread uh collapse of society in that in that region. And we don't see any of that from any of the countries in that region.
>> Okay. So you said your belief is then that the story didn't happen.
>> Uh so what's your take on uh the Israelites theirelves? Do you believe that they were uh ever in Egypt or uh or do you believe that there was no existence at all?
>> No, there was some Israelites. Okay. So after somewhere around the 13th century, 14th century B.C.E. you might have had some Israelites trading and going in and out of Egypt, but there was never this mass number of Israelites who were enslaved in Egypt. No.
No. We got some the Brooklyn papyrie shows you have some northern Seemetic people who were in Egypt, but that doesn't work. And then it also shows that people were migrating to Egypt at that time frame, not getting kicked out of Egypt.
So, no, we don't. There's nothing in history that demonstrates a large number of Egyptian I mean of Israelites ever in Egypt until you get to you don't have a large number and you still and the number is still not that large until the Greeks conquer Egypt and the Levant and then when the TM take over Egypt that's when you start seeing larger numbers of Israelites in Egypt and most of them were in Alexandria Egypt up through the Roman time frame.
>> So, all right. So, you don't believe in the Rome uh the story about the Romans uh in occupying Egypt with the Israelites?
>> Yeah, that's what I just said. That's when you get some Israelites in Egypt.
It starts with the Greeks, >> right?
>> And then the Romans. But this is this this is over a thousand. This is like 1,200 to 1500 years later up to 1700 years later. So this is way late. This is this is just before the Jesus story is told and right after the Jesus story and during and after the Jesus story is told. So this is far too late for a Moses story.
>> Okay. So then what is your take on Moses? Did he exist or did he not exist?
>> No, he didn't exist.
>> So Moses didn't exist.
>> No. If Moses didn't exist, that mean uh 90% of the characters in the Bible.
>> Yeah.
>> From Moses point of view didn't exist.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They didn't.
>> That's a nice I mean that's what how did you come to the conclusion Moses didn't exist?
>> We just went over it. I just explained all that with the fact that >> I didn't catch all of it, but I caught some of your conversation. I didn't never catch the part where you actually said how Moses didn't exist.
>> Well, if the Exodus never happened, then Moses never existed.
>> You just you're basing that on the fact that the Exodus was primarily based on Moses.
>> The Exodus is primarily based on Moses.
If you take >> Moses out of the story, you don't have an Exodus.
>> Yeah, but he he can exist without the Exodus.
then he's then it's still just a madeup story then then the whole story is just a lie.
>> The story will be a lie and they just use the the character.
>> Yeah, that story could be a lie and the character is most likely and I went over this earlier. I said the wrong name earlier, but Osafos Oafos Fosus who was an Egyptian who went up and led a 80,000 lep lepers out of Egypt >> and they were kicked out but they never went and established a kingdom and they are no and there is nothing that connects those lepers to the Israelites.
This is just an Egyptian story, right?
And then as far as after Moses, see in order for if Moses didn't exist in the whole story of Joshua and doing all that conquering that he supposedly conquered through the Levant, none of that happened either.
>> Well, that that that's my point. If Moses didn't exist, you got a whole problem with everything. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You got a problem with Jesus himself.
>> Yep.
>> Uh David, Solomon, and all them. Yep.
Yep. Got problems with all >> that wipes out all that.
>> Um Yeah. 99% of it gets wiped out.
That's my point.
>> Yeah.
Well, I mean it's Well, that's uh I don't know. I have to do more research on the evidence to support.
But >> Okay. So, as you do your research, cuz I'm I'm going to go to the next caller.
As you do your research, if the research is based on a dude named Ron Wyatt, please research Ron Wyatt before you believe what Ron Wyatt claims.
>> Oh, yeah. Well, I'm a firm believer and don't believe in nobody uh without, you know, having concrete proof of what I'm or what I'm >> Well, most of you and the reason why I say that because most of the people who are claiming proof of the Exodus is based on Ron Wyatt and he has been proven to be a fraud over and over again.
>> All right.
>> Well, I'll definitely do that.
>> Okay. Well, I appreciate you, Tony.
>> I appreciate you. All right, have a good one.
>> You too.
>> What's your name? Tony.
>> I see. I know. I saw a couple of people before all these people. I know this person was up earlier and they're gone.
And I saw who else name did I see first?
I saw that name. They're gone. Possibly maybe something like that.
Um, now I'm just clicking because I didn't see when the other people came on or clicked on.
Let's see. Lloyd.
Nope. Lloyd didn't pop up.
Mr. Keith.
Nope. Mr. Keith didn't pop up.
So, I didn't see. So, okay. So, the board is currently clear right now on Tik Tok. Board is clear on Facebook and YouTube as well.
If you think that this story actually happened, I would love to have a conversation with you. I would love for you to demonstrate your proof that this story actually happened.
Oh [ __ ] I'm pressing the wrong thing.
Let me put the link in here.
Say if Moses believed the tablets were true, why did he smash them? Right.
Well, he had to smash him because one of them rules said, "Thou shalt not kill."
And he was about to kill 3,000 people.
So, you know, he can't have no evidence that he ain't supposed to kill nobody.
You know, I just being funny.
And then when he's supposedly rewriting these tablets, he has there's like 10 more commandments like don't boil your baby calf in his mother's milk.
That's why when people say the ten commandments, which ones? Which ones?
There's more than one ten commandments.
I did a video about that last week.
I always find M time, you make a great point. I always find that very interesting. M time said that the thing that gets me is about five minutes after the Hebrew god emancipated them from Egypt, they build a calf to another god, what the Hebrew god does can't be that serious and they change the channel.
I'm sorry, but if I'm living in America and some dude show up and he proves that he's from God because he do his leprosy magic trick with his hands and then do all these plagues and saves us and we put the lamb blood up and he saves us and he saves all our animals. Then he takes away the free will of the Egyptians so they give us all their gold and all that kind of stuff. Then I see him split the Red Sea. I'm not going to get to the other side and then question this God. I'll be like, "That's the dude."
The fact that they tell the story that they get across the water and they're like, "Oh, yeah. Well, forget this guy.
Moses been gone for 40 days. We left us out here to die." Yeah. Come on now.
That's some [ __ ] That's some that's that's some um creative writing there.
Do you know happen to know why black churches predominantly use the KJV?
always wanted to know growing up. Uh because that was the version of the Bible that was given to most of the black people in the south, especially in the south when uh you go up north and there was a lot of Catholics, but in the south it was mostly Baptist and Methodists. So the Bibles that they were given were the King James version of the Bible and then they've just stuck with that same Bible which shows that most of them have never went and done research on the King James Bible to see that the Bibles that it was trans that the King James was translated from like the the Bishop's Bible and all these other ones that those are some of the worst translations and they never done the research to see that uh King James took they took things that was written in the in the in the on the side of the book the scribal comments and they added that to the Bible um to the King James version of the Bible which doesn't you don't see that in the Septuigit or even in the Vulgate uh you don't see it. So that's why if you want to use an accurate version, the new revised standard updated edition is the currently the most accurate version of the Hebrew and the coin and Greek that we have.
But people just use what they were given and that's what they were given.
Hm. He said, "And they got kicked out.
Where did they get all that gold to smelt?" Remember, God took away the free will of the Egyptians to make them give their gold and stuff to the Israelites as they were leaving.
fighting atheists.
>> Hey, I came on already.
>> Yeah, there you're you're the only one that's in the queue right now.
>> Yeah. Hey, um I I agree with you that it never that the Exodus never happened.
But I have a question. How did the e Egyptians, if they were talking about the the sea of reeds, not the Red Sea, which I believe they were talking about the Sea of Reeds, how did they get away with saying that they're drowning all Pharaoh's army if it was a one inch of water?
[laughter] >> See how unbelievable that is?
>> Oh, it's completely unbelievable. I agree 100%.
I mean, the writers are going to write.
If you're writing something at least a thousand years after the so-called events happened >> and there's no one there to check you on it and actually the people who >> would have been there don't care to check you why would the Babylonians or the Assyrians give two shits about what you're writing about the Egyptians and they were not they were enemies of the Egyptians so they wouldn't care >> but the Romans still believe that stuff >> the Egyptians were conquered by the Romans so why would they care what you're writing negative about the Egyptian.
>> Oh, I get what I'm saying.
>> Yeah, they would.
>> But why is it translated into in the newer Bibles, the Red Sea, if it was the sea of reeds?
>> Because people just translate from whatever they got. Whatever is the common thing to accept, people just accept it. People are sheep.
They just go with whatever is given to them.
>> And I agree that uh with your thing, did the Torah actually happen? like the Adam and Eve story.
There's so many uh flood stories around the world, it's not even funny. I believe the Adam and Eve story until I became an atheist and actually started reading the old Gilgamesh stories and stuff.
This is identical. How do people not see this in the churches that there's identical stories to like the Bible stories? They still believe the Bible and stuff and there's stories just like that predated the Bible stories >> because they're sheep. So when you got pastors standing in pull pits who are saying who are screaming out what I believe origin wrote. Origin said that because the devil knew that Jesus was going to come, he went ahead and created these other versions so that people will fall for the okie do.
>> Now I get it.
>> So the same Yeah.
>> Yeah. You get pastors saying that kind of stuff and then you just got people who just don't care to study it. even the pastors themselves.
And if you take it and say the sea of re instead of the Red Sea, then you're minimizing the miracle.
>> Exactly. That's exactly why I brought up the point of the drowning. There's no miracle in just walking across on dry land.
[clears throat] >> Anybody I could lead the people across dry land.
>> And but here's the problem with that. If there's two million people, >> you got old people, you got crippled people, you got children, you got pregnant women in all stages of pregnancy.
You walk them across the Red Sea 23 miles.
>> Oh my god.
>> In one night. In one night. And they got [laughter] >> And they got they got carts and animals and all this [ __ ] And I don't know if you ever seen the topography of the bottom of any water base >> of the red of the Red Sea. Even in the Gulf of Agaba where they say that there's this kind of a smoother land bridge, former land bridge.
>> You ain't walking them people over there. That shit's muddy. You know, it's not like all the is it's dry dry land.
It's gonna be muddy as >> But you walk them across [clears throat] one night, 23 miles. That's some [ __ ] I don't believe the Adam and Eve story either because if they say the flood covered the top of the highest mountains and that was for if you accept the Bible story over it was more than 40 years but they say it's for 40 not 40 years I'm sorry 40 nights even if it does recede there's no way that bird is going to bring back a live tree all the trees would have drowned >> the flood there would be all dead trees there would be no live trees he still thought it was the flood was fill up.
>> Yeah. That's not enough time for that vegetation to regrow, especially when it's not exactly >> submerged >> with a mixture of salt and fresh water.
And >> how stupid do they think we are? Well, they think you're real stupid because you look at the tallest mountain, you look at the people on Everest, everybody who has died on top of Mount Everest is still there >> because >> wow.
>> And [clears throat] it it perfectly preserves their body because it's so cold and there's no air and there's no >> I never knew that >> there's no life up there. There's not even bacterial life >> to eat away at the to to eat the flesh away. So if Noah's boat was higher than Mount Everest, it would not have been floating. It would have been on ice. And then everything would have died for lack of oxygen and warmth.
>> Everything. There's not one animal alive that can survive on the top of Mount Everest. [clears throat] Oh, are you the p the uh not pastor, are you the atheist that said he wouldn't uh dispute Gino Jennings, Pastor Gino Jennings, because it's his home turf.
>> You know who that is?
>> No, that wasn't me.
>> From the truth of God in Christ.
>> That's That wasn't me.
>> Church. Am I Am I gonna drive to his church? Hell no. Better get on.
Yeah, >> I know who he is.
What do you think about him? He does debates and he never loses.
>> Well, he never shows you that he loses.
>> I mean, he's a he's a pastor. He's just he's a regular old pastor who's a little bit smarter than most of the pastors and people he debate.
But at the end of the day, he would not be able to win a debate with me because I don't really care about your your your um interpretations of the Bible. What I care about is history and facts.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Do you know who Ray Hagens is?
>> Yep.
>> Well, you think about him. He was the first guy uh that I listened to when I first became an atheist. I didn't know that there were pastors, former pastors coming out preaching atheism now.
>> Yeah, >> I saw him.
>> He's like 90% death. He still got a little ways to go. He still be holding church services.
>> Really?
[snorts] >> Well, there I mean his services are like church services. So like Okay. You still doing the same thing?
[clears throat] >> He's I haven't listened to him in in years. So I don't know what he's talking about now. So >> it wouldn't be could really speak on but I mean >> from what I remember 90% of his stuff I'm in agreement with that all that comedic [ __ ] and leaning on Kim so much that's I think that's a that's not where >> there's a lot more history than just comedic history.
>> And um I didn't get to come on the show yesterday but that ties into today's you said Moses didn't exist. I I agree. I don't I don't I agree Jesus didn't exist either from yesterday. But if Moses didn't exist and Jesus didn't exist, which they didn't, how did they ever convince all kinds of people all the way up to today that they existed? Because there are pe majority people still believe that they actually existed.
>> Guns, >> how can you >> Oh, really?
>> If I conquer you, I can make you believe whatever I want to believe.
>> And Rome decided that everybody was going to be Christian in 481. And so they forced everybody to be Christian otherwise they was going to kill you. So >> Oh now I see. I was about to say how can you convince people that a myth is true?
Especially when you got miser right there been taught like right across the street is from Jesus stuff >> when the military is tell if we lived in a I mean it it feels like it sometimes but if we lived in a dictatorship then the majority of people because they love breathing are going to follow whatever the dictator says.
>> Yeah.
have some people who don't and you have people who didn't.
>> So, >> but at the end of the day, that's all it is.
>> What's your next live going to be about?
That's my last question.
>> I don't know.
Won't know till tomorrow.
>> Okay. Thanks.
>> No problem.
>> Bye.
>> Bye.
Donte Lamar is a new young former pastor.
I don't really follow a lot of people in this realm.
mainly because I don't have time to follow all these people.
Let's see. I don't have anybody in the cues right now. So, let's see what comments y'all are saying here.
All right. Out of Babylon says, "Fear."
Yeah, fear will cause you to follow whatever somebody says.
And people know how to utilize fear to get people to follow whatever pathway they want them to follow. Seen it happen plenty of times.
Cruz.
>> Hey, >> how you doing? Are you over 21, Cruz?
>> Uh, yeah.
>> All right.
>> Yeah, I'm way I'm way over that.
>> Just got Are you a believer in the Bible? So it know I don't believe in secular gods. I don't believe in all these hundred and I don't know how many religions in the world.
>> Uh I don't believe in any of that. And uh people try to crucify me all the time. [laughter] >> And uh you know like you said 481.
>> Yeah. when uh I I believe it was three generals that were fighting a war and one of them won because he went with the Christianity.
>> Yeah. Theodosis, >> right? So, uh yeah, you know, the only thing about it that I can say is this.
Christianity and um Islam has been a war ever since.
And uh I don't think that's going to change. Now the problem is with the Islamic invasion that that's going on, the problem is if you don't believe in one side and you go with the Islamic side, that's terrible. So I'd rather be on the Christian side. Right. But uh what do you what do you think on that?
>> Well, I wouldn't choose either one of their sides.
Um, and I think that the the whole Islamic invasion thing is overblown, especially in the United States. It's completely overblown. There is absolutely, you know, how many generations it will take for Islam to become the dominant religion in America, in the United States.
Like, you and I will be long dead.
even with the advancements of medical science that we probably should live until we're 150, we will be long long dead before something like that could happen. But I think we'll see uh we have a higher probability of seeing secular secularism taking over the United States before Islam would take over the United States.
>> Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, I'm just, you know, I'm a history buff just like you. And uh so my uh my uncle fought in Spain to kick the wars out.
The UK is being invaded. France is being invaded. Europe is being invaded. And they're coming over here. They're in Texas, Minnesota, the Northeast, you know, all the uh Democratic sides, right? Because they're their that's their friend, right?
>> Um so it is scary. Yeah. I don't I don't think, you know, I think we're good, but um the the next generations are going to uh have to fight that off. I mean, you know, the founding father said it, >> bro.
>> You got to fight for what you have. If you don't fight for what you have, they're going to take it from >> you. You're right about that part, but I think you've been listening too much MAGA stuff because they are not taking over England. They are not taking over Spain. And you said your uncle fought the Moors.
>> When When the Moors when because the Moors were kicked out of Spain in in the 1400s.
>> Well, okay. I guess it wasn't that war.
It was it was the most the more recent one where they fought the Moors and and he was a canineer. He even showed me, you know, they they blew off his foot.
Uh he's long gone now, but you know, that kind of makes me think, you know, because it makes sense, right? If you're my enemy and you're way stronger than me, I know I can't beat you face to face.
The easiest thing for me is just to go along with what you got until I get power to take over. And that's the history of Islam. Look around the whole world.
That's how they've been doing it, right?
>> No.
No. Where has where has Islam come in and conquered and took over?
>> I mean, they did they did it in Spain.
They were in Spain for a long time.
And it was it was the Christians, the the Muslims and and the Jews. They were actually living together. For a long time.
>> Yeah. They lived together for a long time. But there this this was a conquest based on the fact that they had conquered all of the Levant all of North Africa and then went over to the Iberian Peninsula and conquered the Iberian Peninsula.
uh that but since that time frame they haven't went into any country and and conquered some country you know since 14 since the 1400s >> and I say okay I'm going to have to change the word I'm gonna have to change the word conquer uh because it's not it's not really they don't go in there and fight and conquer and take over that's not what they do just move into your neighborhood They start having a whole bunch of babies because if I believe in the Quran, I could have 20 wives if I can afford them and I can make a hundred babies, right?
So slowly they're populating and that's what they do. They just populate, populate. It takes a long time, >> my guy.
>> But once once they get to where they're getting to, that's it. It's too late.
>> My guy, there are 400 million people in the United States.
A very small number of them are Muslims.
It would take a probably a hundred generations for them to outpace the current American population who do who are not Muslims.
That is see when I talked about fear a few minutes ago.
>> I got I got I agree. That's that fear thing that that >> people are using in order to generate this them generate them staying in power. Like I live in Texas, right? So I'm I'm seeing all these advertisements.
>> True.
>> And the number of Muslims in Texas could never would not win in 2026 in any election. But they're utilizing that fear to galvanize a whole bunch of uh Republicans to jump on and come out and vote because the Muslim invasion is happening and it's just not happening.
And as far as your uncle, the last time Spain fought a civil war was in the 1930s and that was against the German, the Nazis. That wasn't against the Mormons.
Okay. All right. So, I'm gonna have to look it up. I'm gonna have to look look to see what my >> I said Mormons, but I meant for you.
>> I meant Morris. So, now let me tell you what I'm thinking that you're you're thinking about.
>> Um, the coup that the military uprising began in Spanish Morocco, but Morocco was a colony of Spain at the time frame. So the coup started in Spanish Morocco and it spread to the mainland and it divided the country which is why when you go to Spain you can see people representing two different flags there well three you'll see them they'll have their regular their regular national flag but then they may have another flag um for their region but this was never a moorish Muslim invasion. This was Spanish people on Spanish people, Christian on Christian.
They just based themselves out of Morocco, which was owned by Spain.
>> Okay. All right. You know, I'm I'm you know, that that part of it um I don't I don't have the information, so I can't I can't talk on that. But what I what I what you know, you talk about fear, and it's true. Politicians, you know, they're all the same. They use fear. They use the tactics.
But what I'm what I'm seeing is I just saw a communist person get elected to mayor of New York City.
>> He's not communist.
>> Is a socialist/communist mayor of Chicago.
>> He's okay. The mayor of New York is not a communist, dude.
>> He's a communist. He's a communist.
>> Oh my god.
>> You know, you know why I know he's a communist?
>> Why? Because when my when my when my parents were in Cuba and Castro walked in and everybody gave him a pad on his back, he didn't even have to fight. Why?
Because the people believe the [ __ ] >> And look where Cuba is at.
>> Cubel Castro is in nowhere comparison to McDonald. So when did >> came in with a smile? A smile just like >> Just like Trump just like Trump did.
Just like just like Trump did.
>> Just like Trump.
>> Hold on a second. I'm not I'm not a Trump. Let's let's get away from that.
But >> okay, but my point is No. No. But my So if you're going to hate communists, hate hate actual communists. Because the thing about it, when has said anything about the government taking over every business and industry in New York?
>> We're not there yet. We're not there yet. When they take over what they do first step nationalize everything take away everybody whatever everybody has they'll take away all all your money >> when has what what is it >> dude I can't >> redistribute it I can't I can't I can't I don't mind having political banter but not when you're just running off Fox News statements.
You have no proof whatsoever, you know.
No disrespect to you. Um, [ __ ] I forgot the damn name. Uh, young man. Well, he said he's 60. No disrespect to you, but you're gonna have to come better. You got to come with some facts behind this.
I'm not going to even I wouldn't care if you was against the Democrats or against the Republicans because if somebody came up here and they were like, "Well, Trump this and Trump that." If you're just saying stuff without proof, without something that leads to it, I'm not going to tolerate it. You know, I hear a lot of people, they'll talk about Trump and they'll be like, "Oh, Trump's a fascist. Trump's this. Trump's that."
I'm going to ask you, what is it? Tell me, give me some policies. Give me something other than your feelings.
And certainly a bad Don't give me a bad comparison.
is not that I want to support any politician, but I need facts.
Facts, not media quotes.
Cuz do you really think you really think the billionaire millionaire class the of New York are is going to let Mandani take over their businesses?
Do you really think McDonni is going to be able to get away with that in New York?
Them mill them hundred millionaires, billionaires will take care of him in a militaristic way. Let me put it that way. Before they allow him to take their businesses, they got too much money for Mcdani to come in there and take. There are too many other national companies that are headquartered in New York that would allow him to just take their businesses.
Y'all, they they be pumping that fear in y'all like a champ. In order to do that, first you got to have a scapegoat. You got to scapegoat somebody first. But that ain't >> Hey, brother. How you doing?
>> Pretty good.
>> Yeah, man. I've been watching your content for a while, man. I enjoy your content. I'm a Muslim, by the way.
>> All right. Thank you for letting me know.
>> Yeah, I always enjoy your content, man.
You know, some people >> Wait a minute. Hold on for one second.
Hold on for one second.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. If you're talking to me, IBM Dash, at no point did I say I support Trump. I support facts. Now, you may not be talking about me, but that's cool. I may have been mistaken. I just happen to see that out the corner of my eye. But I'm sorry. Go ahead, Issa. Oh yeah. But no, I was just seeing like the comments like some people like, "Yeah, the Muslims want Sharia law here." Like, "Bro, we don't care about Sharia law in the America, bro. I don't want no Sharia law here." Like, hell >> they're not talking about you. They're not talking about you.
>> Arabs.
>> You're not You're not Arab, are you?
>> No, I'm not an Arab. I'm foundational black American freeman. I'm from Chicago, brother.
>> See, they talking about the Arabs.
I I know I interrupt you, but that's one point that I I I didn't bring up, but the American Muslims who are not Arabs or don't have any ties to Saudi to the Arab countries, they ain't gonna put up with that [ __ ] >> Well, you know, >> every other American.
>> Yeah, but number one, I'm not a Sunni Muslim anyway, you know, so I I could to hell with Saudi Arabia. [laughter] You know what I'm saying? The Quran calls the Arabs barefoot bed ones and said that they're deaf, dumb, and blind.
This is the Lord calling them that. You know what I'm saying? So, I never get why people always, especially Muslims, put the emphasis on the Arabs. Those same Arabs slaughtered the Prophet Muhammad's family.
>> So, you know what I'm saying? I don't I don't want Sharia. I think for me, and this is just my personal opinion, you know, I focus on the youth as far as, you know, dealing with everyday people and like teaching, but like shoot, bro.
America is its own lost cause, bro.
Ain't nothing you really can do for it's it's it's it's too far gone. It's too much filth. It's just too much everything. It don't even matter about religion. You know what I'm saying? It's just too much negativity of all kinds over here.
The best thing we could do is teach the youth and pray that they avoid the negativity. But hell no, bro.
>> I'm I'm one point that you just said now. What generation are you?
>> Oh, 89 borderline baby, man. I'm a young brother.
>> Oh, you borderline. You close enough to us Gen Xers.
My thing is, and I did a video about this a while back, because all these old bastards who are in public office right now, they need to go.
>> And Gen X, >> Gen X has failed. We were, we got caught in the middle. Gen X got caught in the middle of you work for the company, you get the gold watch, but then the company said, "Fuck you and your gold watch."
So, we had to in the middle of our adulthood recarve out a life for ourselves, right, to raise our children.
and we did not get as politically involved as other generations.
We need some Gen X mentality up there in Congress, Senate, all at all levels because these [ __ ] especially this current dude, you know, as I've said on many videos before, this current dude, it ain't about Republican or Democrat.
This current dude is psychopathic, narcissistic, and is illegal as hell. Is breaking all kinds of rules, and nobody's standing up to them. The old people don't want to do it, and young people ain't strong enough yet.
So, I'm with you with this young people, but all of us, all of us in our 50s, them late 40s, 50s, and early 60s need to get in office.
Yeah, but you got to understand, well, you know, a lot of those people that are in the office, bro, they were alive and cognitive and past maturing age when Jim Crow and all of that was going on. You know what I'm saying? These is the same people.
>> You know what I mean? So, like >> I my best thing is is like, bro, we focus on the future. But through my studies, bro, and studying very hardly, I know who is really at the top. And you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to go too much deeper into that, but you know who is really at the top. And to keep it real, frankly, bro, if if you ain't really ready for like a revolution type spill blood type, bro, you ain't never going to seize that power cuz they ain't never going to come up off of it.
and they have no problems with doing illegal things whether it's physically, whether it's civily, whatever. You know what I'm saying? So, like I think it's it's it's gotten too far, bro. And the people were asleep for too long for it not to be like a no offense, but a bloody revolution type because the people that come on, bro. people at the top is I'mma watch my words on the stream, but they dealing.
>> You got watch on my stream.
>> You got watch.
>> I know how YouTube is, brother, and I like your channel. I don't want them to flag you for no reason, [laughter] but the the they diddling toddlers, bro.
This is what we dealing with, bro. The sickest of the sick. This is who ruling.
This is who got access to the nuclear codes. This is who is who got, you know, power to send this force here and this force here. And us as a people, bro, we dropped the ball like versus like from in the 60s when, bro, we wasn't playing that. They don't tell you about the history about cuz you old enough, brother. But they don't tell most people about the history about freedman hijacking planes and stuff in the 50s and the 60s, like what we really was on.
They don't give you that story. You know what I'm saying? So, like, you know, and I'm not telling nobody to go do that. I'm just saying the people as a unit as a whole were more willing to get down. As a whole, I'm not talking about individuals. You know what I'm saying?
This is just for the people out there.
I'm just saying as a whole. But now, bro, you know how much training it would take for us to really like, dude, you we you ain't even gonna be fighting nobody. You gonna be fighting drones.
>> [clears throat] >> Like for real, you not even gonna be fighting nobody.
>> I'm with you. But there's a Okay, so back in the 90s, we did we did these operations.
If there was a civil war in America, right, if there was another civil war and >> the operations didn't really and it was a think tank, think tank type of operation. It really wasn't based on civilians, fighting civilians.
It was based on what would [clears throat] happen to the American military if a Civil War World War II happened, >> right? The biggest issue that you're going to have is that the military itself was split, >> right?
>> The you're going to have you're going to have this big hodgepodge. It ain't going to just be black and white. Spanish people going to be kind of split down the middle. Some on the what, you know, so you're gonna have Spanish people who side with black people, Spanish people, and it was based on race for the most part. It it really came down to race and politics.
Now, most of your military personnel at that time frame, over half of them were Republican Republicans because well, voted Republicans because Democrats was [ __ ] over [ __ ] us over with the money. Like I had so many Marines who were on uh food stamps under Clinton, you know.
>> Huh. Yeah. So that's crazy.
>> So a lot of us leaned towards Bush during those time frame because we was like Bush is giving us a 4% 4.9% 5% pay raise. Clinton trying to give us a 1.9.
So we was like [ __ ] you Clinton.
Uh I'm just giving you the mentality of what was going on at that time frame. I don't know how it's going on right now.
>> Um okay. But we when we looked at it, the military will be thrown in uproar because of the position that a lot of people and that's where a race comes in. A lot of people who were black, for instance, they were on ground forces. They controlled a lot of the armories and things of that nature. The air was complete was 99.9% controlled by Caucasians.
Right. So the estimation was that the US military would have to fight its own civil war first before siding with any type of civilian situation, >> right?
>> And but the entire thing will most likely be resolved based on which side of the military wins, not so much fighting the civilians.
Because as as you know, civilians don't stand a freaking chance.
No, not with military grade weapons.
It's over.
>> You don't stand a chance >> now. [laughter] >> I can take a battalion of Marines and I can take the whole city of Atlanta easy.
>> You talking about they using sound waves to disrupt you, bro. You You can't even think. [laughter] >> We We had that in the We had that in the 90s.
>> Yeah. It's just way improved now.
>> Yeah. It's way improved. People didn't know, you know. We had a We had hum mounted sonic weapons.
Um, but now you got some hand I would imagine now you probably got handheld levels of sonic weapons.
>> Yeah, >> I imagine. I don't know because I'm not there no more.
>> Well, you know, anything could be miniaturized just like they instead of one giant nuke, now they got tactical nukes. Now we can just nuke a certain spot and control the blast. Yeah.
>> And and trust and believe the president Yeah. He got the little he got the football and everything.
But he just can't order a nuclear strike.
It ain't like he can just open up a briefcase.
>> Generals really got the power.
>> Exactly. And then below the generals at the each nuclear silo, ship, submarine, you got captains and colonels.
>> Yeah.
>> Any one of them can say hell no. But see, this is my thing, though. This is this is what takes the cake, right?
Those very special people over there that's involved with a whole ruckus right now, bro. They power go long. It go long. It really do. Like, it it it just do. If anybody don't know, the last true president to oppose these special people, his name was JFK. And he wanted to make uh the super PAC for those special people register as a foreign organization. And he also didn't want those special people to have nuclear weapons. And we see what happened to him. So those people like bro I've never seen somebody and this is just like throughout my whole life of just looking at this like bro they pull all the strings. I mean all the strings. They literally got the whole US in a war that really ain't got nothing to do with them.
>> It really don't. We should >> we really should. We shouldn't have ever attacked Iran. That's a bunch of >> But that's how powerful they are. I remember one time, this is how I really knew. Like I been knew, but it just was like evident for me. They talking to Trump and they talking to BB, right? And they asked Trump, they like, "Man, so is this is it over? Is the war over?"
>> And he like, "That should be a that should be a question for BB."
And I'm like, "Hold on, bro. You the president of the most powerful country in the United States. What? Why is you deflected?"
Like, bro, they literally made, >> you know what I'm saying? They be putting spyw wear and toilets on Congress members. They literally just kidnapped, sellers, kidnapped the US Congress member, uh, what's his name? Roana.
Roana. They literally took him by gunpoint and kidnapped him. Can't no other country do that in the world to an American congressman without some consequences. But they can because they really the ones who run everything. I used to think I used to be like, "Yo, Kanye, he tripping. He tripping." But one video he had where he showed all the TV channels, sports channels, porn, I mean porn, all the all the stuff that they control, including the banking and all of that.
And I'm like, damn.
Like, bro, and now it's to the point where I be telling my white friends like, bro, listen, y'all thought y'all was racist.
It's somebody here to outraces y'all now because ain't nothing then what them people over there. What? They don't care. They don't care who you is.
They'll spit on you like but goodness gracious [laughter] over there >> and they and they smoked him. They they they they spit on everything. He came back and said, "I only got spit on one time." I said, "Boy, miss boy, I'd be dead." They had they' had to smoke me.
>> Oh yeah. And I I now I I spent a total of eight weeks in Israel. I' now personally I never had any problems while I was there. Um never experienced anything negative u while I was there.
So I can't really speak to that. And that was back in the 90s. So I can't really say how things are now. Uh I do I've seen tons of videos where they go to other countries and they like act like asses. And even in their own country, I seen them like kick that nun and she almost bust her head in the wide open. Little kids.
>> Oh yeah, I seen that. That was crazy. I was like, "Yo, a nun, bro." A nun, bro.
>> Everybody to run up and beat up, bro.
The nun, bro, with the Catholic girl church socks on, bro. Come on, bro.
>> Yeah. So, even as much as I disagree with religions, and this is one of the reasons why because religion creates these kinds of mentality with people. Not everybody, of course, but it does create these types of mentalities.
It's it's it's crazy that people would treat another human being this way simply because they don't believe what you believe.
>> And then like my thing is if you believe your faith is true, right? Because I study my Quran. My Quran tell me that when you die, God is going to let all of you know where you differentiate.
So until that time, debate with good discourse. Other than that, bro, it has to be settled after you die. You can't believe there's no, the Quran says there's no compulsion in religion. So that you cannot force anybody to believe in anything.
You know what I'm saying? By force.
>> You know what I'm saying?
>> Now, I haven't read the Quran in about 30 years, >> but I do remember there is some coercion in that in the Quran now. No. Where it's like you tax the [ __ ] out of people.
>> No. Listen, no offense, right? No offense. Right. The Jizia tax rate that's leveled on non-Muslims in an Islamic state, right? Because I'm very knowledgeable on my faith, is 2.5%.
Bro, every American in this chat room on in America PAYS WAY MORE than 2.5.
>> I can't I can't but see I can't let that slide because you're taxing everybody pays taxes in America. Shoot. Fine. And we're paying way more. That's fine. But that's not a justification because of the lower amount. The simple fact that I'm going to tax you if you're Muslim.
I'm going to not tax you if you're not.
That's coercion.
But see, that's not coercion toward I'm not trying to get you to convert or anything. It's 2.5%. Listen, if you live >> implied, >> listen, no, it's not implied. If you live >> Listen, if you live in an Islamic territory, and I'm just saying how the prophet and the imams laid it down. If you live in an Islamic territory, the non-Muslims pay 2.5% They don't have to pay the Muslim taxes like we have to pay in our own religion, which brings it up to about 7%. They don't have to pay none of that. That's the only thing in the Islamic territory that they have to pay.
So, if we're living in a true Islamic state, and I said true Islamic State, not this bull crap that the Sunni Gulf States got going on over there. and we live in a true Islamic state and you get charged 2.5% for being under the protection of an Islamic state, I pay more taxes than you because I'm a Muslim in the Islamic State. The law says that if we ever get attacked, you're not obligated to fight.
You pay your tax, you're not obligated to fight. It is the Muslim's job to protect you >> in case anything goes wrong. Just like here, we pay plenty of taxes here. If you forget the Muslim title, if you're an American citizen, you're going to pay taxes to the state.
If anybody comes to mess with you, then this state is is is responsible for protecting you. It's the same thing.
And in a true Islamic state, you would pay 2.5% and nothing else. But we don't have that right now. We have a lot of posers.
We got kings and monarchs and you know what I'm saying, nepotism all around the Islamic world.
>> I I I don't know as much about the Quran.
>> Um I just know when I I studied it 30 years ago, I was like, "This ain't for me either."
Uh, so >> and listen, >> I don't know exactly how those taxations work as far I know you get taxed if you're not Muslim.
>> Yeah.
>> But I I just want to ask anybody here, would you rather pay the American taxes, right? And they gave you a choice or pay 2.5% in taxes and that was it. Which one would you choose?
>> I mean, of course, if you're looking at your pocket, you gonna pay the less tax.
But >> right, >> that's why I don't pay taxes. I haven't paid taxes in a long time.
>> Yeah. He said that brother said above that. [laughter] >> Pay American taxes other than sales tax.
>> Right. Right.
>> Um and I got so far off the subject matter and got into all these politics.
>> I'm sorry, brother. I just was I was excited to get up here to finally speak to you because I always watch your show and when people get mad >> over your you know what I'm saying? your opinion from your research, from what you done, bro. I'm like, bro, you can't get mad at that brother opinion, man.
You know what I'm saying? I can see if the brother was disrespecting you and your faith and your religious figures and way of life and was saying, you know, your prophet or your holy man can kiss this or kiss that. I'm like, the brother ain't doing none of that. The brother is taking his own and what we call a in Islam, which is your own analogical reasoning. All right, let me ask about Islam.
>> Okay, >> what about the beheading of people who are not Islam?
>> That's a bro, that is a pure Sunni.
And I wouldn't even say Sunni. I would say extreme Sunni thing.
You never Bro, that's not a I'm a Shia Muslim, by the way.
>> Okay, >> but but that's not a Shia thing to behead you. There's no verse in the Quran that says to behead somebody.
You know what I'm saying? That's a personal thing. And not only a personal thing, that's a cultural thing because the Arabs have been doing that's been their practice before even the advent of Islam. You know what I'm saying? So, it's more of a cultural practice.
So, >> but the prophet never beheaded anybody.
>> All right. So, when I look at I'm just looking up some stuff real quick. So, in surah surah Muhammad 47:4 >> So when you meet a disbeliever, strike strike next until you have thoroughly subdued them. Then bind then bind them firmly.
later uh an act of grace or by by ransom until the war comes to an end. So I guess this is somebody in battle when you're fighting somebody in battle >> and and this is the thing right one second just to pause you real quick. I love how you immediately deduced it like oh this is when you're in battle.
I love that. You know what I'm saying?
Because most people say, "Oh, look. The Quran says to kill the non-believers."
Like, no, it does not say. There's another verse that says, "Strike them and smite them wherever you find them.
But if they desist, then you desist."
So that verse right there is telling you that you are being oppressed or attacked by somebody. And just like any logical human being, I'm gonna put these hands on you or whatever I got to do until you stop and then I'm gonna stop.
>> That's just common sense.
>> So I I see I do see the one that you're talking about and >> that one seems to be when you're in battle again, you're fighting a war against somebody.
>> Okay. So you but you you still have to understand from me and my perspective that's going to be something that >> I still find offensive >> and listen brother >> because >> I don't have no problem with that brother. You know what I'm saying?
Because everybody got a different like bro I grew up >> gang banging on the south side of Chicago brother. Just being honest. I'm not gonna sit up here like I'm some type of saint or any of that. So, and I'm going to give you an Islamic analogy of and equate that to that. One of uh the analogies that is actually what we call mcrude or frowned upon to be a butcher.
Not that there's nothing wrong with being a butcher, but this is the reason why is when you're around so much death in whatever form, it desensitizes you to death, violence, whatever. It don't matter what form it is, even in the form of animal slaughter. You know what I'm saying? So, like me growing up on the south side of Chicago and seeing all the stuff I seen, the next person when they hear a stringent verse or something like that, they might take offense.
Me, some of my earliest memories is people brains being blown out and hanging out the side of the car with half of their head. So, I've become desensitized to that. You know what I'm saying?
throughout my life. So, no offense taken, brother. If it offends you, brother Lizard. I'll try my best to explain it and that's all I can do.
>> Oh, I mean, I'm with you, but there's no way to explain that away for me because, yeah, I'm a product of the Geneva Convention. Just because I'm in battle with somebody, um, if I don't have to kill them, I'm not going to kill them.
And certainly not based on whether or not they believe in the same religion I believe in. See that's that's another part of it that throw >> though.
>> If I'm f >> your belief is your belief is not required.
>> The only nonbeliever. It says it's a nonbeliever. If you you're in battle >> and you fight against a nonbeliever then you to cut off their head. Listen. No.
It did not say cut off their heads.
Yes. It says when you're in it says strike him on the neck, man.
>> Yeah, but you got to understand, bro, there weren't no pistols back then.
>> So when you're in battle, you had swords, bro. And a kill point in a battle in a in a in a old school battle would be to strike at the neck.
That's just what it is. Just like if that say if the Quran was revealed now.
Not necessarily because >> not necessarily, but I'm just saying that's one of the points right there.
>> I was under a lot of commands where we did a lot of ancient history, military ancient history >> and I can, you know, plenty of times if you cut a person's leg off, cut a person arms off, stab them in the stomach, >> they'll bleed out, you know, they you hit your main artery, you go, >> they don't necessarily bleed out, you know? I mean, hell, I've >> Or you can get infected. You know what I'm saying? especially back then medical technology.
>> But when you when you intentionally strike somebody across the neck, that's a kill shot.
>> That's not a wound shot. That's not a anything of that nature. So it's and but it specifically says believers, non-believers rather.
>> But you got to understand too >> that you're supposed to strike them in the neck. when that verse was revealed, the only thing that you had in that area was either believers or non-believers.
>> Okay? So, >> still that still doesn't make it any better because >> I mean, I understand that, but like I said, bro, we got two different Like for me, bro, like I said, I've been desensitized a little bit. So if if a person come at me, bro, listen, bro, I'm gonna peel your muffin cap back, blue, bro. And I have no problem with it. You know what I'm saying?
>> You must be my age.
>> You said what, brother?
>> No. Oh, I ain't think you heard I said you must be my age. I ain't heard nobody say that in a long ass time.
>> No, I just, you know, I gotta watch it because it's YouTube, brother. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, I won't flag a channel for any reason. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying like if a person, and I expect the same thing, bro. I'm 6' three, 305 pounds, and I'm athletic. Bro, if I come at you or your family, especially a smaller individual, you supposed to bust my head in order to protect yourself and your family.
>> Don't give a dang what what what what the Geneva Convention say. The only thing is your big self is on me and my family, and I got to protect mine. So if you smite my neck and you peel my stuff back, hey, listen, that's on me for being an oppressor.
>> I understand.
>> And I wouldn't expect nothing else from anybody else.
>> I'm almost out of time. So let me see if I can get a couple more people before I go.
>> Yes, sir, brother. Love you.
>> I got to get into the gym just in case I run against your 63 305 pound.
>> Oh, no, bro. I ain't like that, man. I don't bother nobody that don't bother me, man. I live by my to you. Your way to mine. I ain't trying to know nobody.
>> Big WWE mother.
>> Hey, [laughter] love you, brother. Man, keep going, man.
I'm always gonna support you. I'm back in the shadow.
>> All right. Appreciate you.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Yeah, I don't know as much about the Quran, so I can't really talk about that one as deeply.
That was a short study back 30 years ago. Um, I did see somebody make a comment about me not paying attention to how the leftists No, I recognize that you I don't know where your brain is at on that one.
The Sunni or Shiites, whichever one took over Iran, you're talking about a country where it's predominantly Muslim.
So, with a predominantly Muslim country, you can have the more fanatical Muslims take over.
You cannot compare them taking over Iran in the same way that people are saying that they're going to take over the United States.
That's apples and oranges. That makes that's not critically thinking through the process. That's emotions.
I saw that coming a while back, but that's some emotional [ __ ] Let's see. Joshua's waiting a long time.
Y'all know my wife gonna be home in a little bit, so you know what that means.
Where we going to the It's gym time. I gotta get get in shape for this 305 6 foot3 Joker cuz I ain't under the Geneva Convention no more. I guess all those people weren't didn't hold long enough. Yeah.
I don't know. And then if I knew that all those other people were gone, I would have asked them about slavery too because that's that's the biggest turnoff that I saw in them in the Quran was the slavery. Any I don't even though the slavery in Islam is better because you have to provide a way for that person to gain their freedom.
The fact that any book, any god would say child slavery is okay, there ain't no way I'm going to support that religion. So, it was the slavery part that made me just turn the Quran.
Oh, I'm good. I'm done.
But I would have asked him about that one if I knew. Don't come back up right now cuz uh my wife get off in a few minutes.
And we going to the gym today. I know she watching. We're going to the gym on me. We skipped yesterday, but we're going today.
Roy Roy Roy Thompson. I think it said Thompson.
Yeah, Roy Thompson Jr.
That's [clears throat] right. I don't want no smoke with either.
Roy Thompson Jr.
I guess Roy Thompson Jr. is not there.
It might have been an accident.
H and I didn't get into the conversation with him because it would have been interesting to have a conversation.
Um, what makes you believe God didn't doesn't exist? research research if and if there was a god that does exist then none of the gods of none of these books would be that god all these gods are made up that are in every book every book Hindu Muslim well all the Abrahamic Christian Judaism all of them are made up they looked at nature called it a god and then they developed their stories after After that they gave praise to the rocks then praise to the animals and and praise to the to the stars and the sun and the moon and all the other and the other bodies that they saw in the sky and then they converted that into a to a pantheon of gods and then they converted that to one god and then they converted that in Christianity to a messenger of god and Islam a messenger of god even though they don't worship Muhammad according to their claim but [snorts] all this stuff has a betrayal that shows that it's false.
That is just man-made making making up [ __ ] because they didn't understand what was going on and then turned into control mechanisms.
Age of consent over there is like 12. It depends on what country. It depends on what and I don't know from I'm talk I can I can only speak to that for like 30 years ago as far as what countries allow for the child brides.
January 6 was yeah that [ __ ] was a [ __ ] revolt. [ __ ] should be treated as treasons. They should have been treated as traitors not treated like reconstructionist southerners.
And this is a statement that I find very true. Believers and non-believers differentiate between religions. For example, if one is Muslim, a Christian would call that person a non-believer.
And that's one of the things you if you are a Muslim, you are an atheist to Christianity. If you're a Christian, you're atheist to Muslim to Islam.
And Pascal's wager don't work because you gonna go to Muslim hell if you're a Christian and you don't believe in in Allah.
But it's let me go ahead and call it a day today. We I got to cuz I need to do some stuff, handle this business situation before my wife gets home. Um, did you get to cover the military merge with favorite ally? I don't know what you mean by that, uh, Jay.
Like in my mind, I'm thinking about how we work with other militaries.
We we on our bases, we have other militaries on our base. Is that what you're talking about? But we still don't follow the command of other militaries, other countries.
Yeah, there's no way American militias, organized militias could overtake the United States. That's that's crazy work.
But that kind of fear keeps people in keeps people in power.
I'm telling you, you can give me a battalion of Marines from 30 years ago, like what the arament we had 30 years ago, and I'm here in San Antonio, and we could take San Antonio and hold it. And as Marines, we hold it, then we let the army come in, and the army maintains it.
Easy, easy work, easy work.
American militias will get decimated by the military.
Don't stand a chance in hell. We ain't got to use jet. Just helicopters. [ __ ] We ain't got to use helicopters. We can just come in with tanks and and armored vehicles.
No way. They're voting to merge Israel with the American military.
That'll never happen. That's never going to happen. That's not going to happen.
Ain't gonna happen.
I can't see a bill getting passed through Congress that merges the American military with the Israeli military.
And I don't know how military people are today other than like my son, but I can tell you that we get out. I'd be like, "Hell no."
I'd be damn [ __ ] Just being in under NATO was a pain in the ass.
Being under NATO was like such a pain in ass. You know, find yourself in a combat situation and [ __ ] trying to call up to NATO command trying to find out if we can fire back. Hell no.
You think I waited? I ain't wait. Told that little butter bar to sit your ass down.
We fa to handle this business.
sit up here waiting for you to get a response back from shape as to whether or not we can return fire when they [ __ ] not shot towards us. Hell, you crazy. No, the the American military mentality would never fit under most of the count's rules of engagement. It just wouldn't work.
It wouldn't work.
Yeah, we did get conned into this whole Iran thing. We get we not got conned into other military action, but there's always some secret [ __ ] going on, some other [ __ ] going on behind the scenes.
And as they always say, follow the money. If you want to know why we in Iran, follow the money because there were no problems with Iran.
And then but if you follow the money, you can see why we in we went in Iran.
Follow the money. I always tell you the story.
Unfortunately, that's the world we live in where the true god of this world is money, money, money, money, money.
Like some of the [ __ ] I saw during Desert Storm, I was like, "Oh no, why we over here?" No damn weapons of mass destruction is money.
Why we ain't get involved with um Rwanda with no money in it.
Was no money in it.
That whole [ __ ] Monroe doctrine that was some [ __ ] reason why we didn't get involved with Rwanda. It was no money in it. That's why we ain't get involved other than humanitarian efforts.
Show and if that was the case, we should have never got involved with Bosnian.
Had a little bit of money in that.
And not just gold, my guy.
the artifacts that were taken out of Iraq.
That's all I'm gonna say. Artifacts.
I saw plenty of shipments of artifacts coming out of Iraq.
And now they in museums in Britain, in England, the United States, and France.
Like I said, let me get off here. I will see you guys tomorrow uh around two o'clock.
I'll see you guys tomorrow around 2 o'clock uh for another discussion.
I hope you guys all have a great day and enjoy the rest of your day. It's 10 and something degrees here in San Antonio. So, we actually I don't know if she want to go to the gym immediately or she want to wait for it to cool off a little bit cuz it hot. It's hot. Even with this air conditioning and multiple fans in my garage, it's a little warm. It's a little warm.
So, y'all have a great day and always remember you got to free yourself to be yourself because your greatness is non-negotiable. Good journey, good vibrations. And we are signing off
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