A Brutally Honest Review Of Off Campus Season One

Added: 2026-05-30

[00:00:00]from Mama Mia. Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Broadnick. And I'm M Vonom. And welcome to a very sexy Friday episode of The Spill.

[00:00:13]>> Uh I hope you guys are watching us in video cuz Emily just showed some boobs.

[00:00:16]Really, >> I fake flash you.

[00:00:18]>> Stay tuned. Stay tuned. We don't know what's going to happen at the end of the episode. So, by high demand, plus we promised this when I recommended on weekend watch. Today is our brutally honest review of Off-Campus, the buzzy, sexy college romance hockey show that everyone is talking about.

[00:00:33]>> Oh my god, this show has had me in a chokeold since you recommended it on weekend watch a few weeks ago. I immediately watched it. I watched all episodes in one sitting and each episode's like an hour. It's like a movie.

[00:00:44]>> I honestly feel like that was too much.

[00:00:46]Like I feel like I should have done a welfare check on you.

[00:00:48]>> I'm so surprised cuz usually when I do this, I usually send you a selfie of me crying.

[00:00:53]>> Yeah, I didn't mean to see that. I just I'm surprised you didn't need like a cold shower, a walk around the block or something halfway through. It was very intense.

[00:00:59]>> It was very intense, but I was addicted.

[00:01:01]I just couldn't stop.

[00:01:02]>> Well, you and everyone else. Some people have come up to me and people say it to me in hushed voices. Like even a stranger on the street the other day cuz she's like, "Laura from the spill." I've watched it three times. I'm like, "That's okay." I mean, if you're allowed to do that, >> we go four or five in a week. Like, I would reach out for help, but like three times is fine.

[00:01:16]>> It's fine. Make the most of your subscription. Yeah, I say. Okay, so off campus, we do actually have some exciting news, which is makes doing the brutally honest review today so much more fun.

[00:01:28]>> Yeah, breaking news.

[00:01:29]>> Breaking news because it has just been renewed for season 2 and we finally know who our season 2's going to be. We kind of assumed it after the end of season 1, but it's definitely going to be Ally and Dean season. Yes, because we knew they were getting a season two, but we didn't know which book and which couple, what the details would be, when they would start filming. Any of that information was all up in the air. That's all being confirmed today. And like, you're right.

[00:01:53]Thank god it was Ally and Dean because there's so much momentum in their relationship now. And season one ended on such a cliffhanger for their characters. I was like, I'm not waiting in around another season.

[00:02:03]>> That's so true. and we did get that episode that was kind of dedicated to them and their relationship and how they got together and started hooking up and you could see like how they started falling for each other. So, I'm so glad we aren't just like leaving that there like we're actually going to like follow it through into the next season. I'm so they are I know what we've always talked about like the best friend, but she is my favorite character.

[00:02:26]>> Yeah, she's just got so much um yeah, just chem also chemistry with everyone, even her lame boyfriend that we'll get into. that guy. So, season two coming.

[00:02:36]So excited for that. But yes, today we are talking about Off-Campus, which is the TV series on Prime Video based off L. Kennedy's beloved novels of the same name. So, Off Campus is a series about some boys living off campus, as the title suggests, who play hockey, which is neither here nor there for us. It does add an air of like that's the only time I care about sports is when it's in a teen drama like basketball in One Tree Hill or football in Friday Night Live.

[00:03:02]And this made me care about hockey.

[00:03:03]>> Well, hockeyy's having a moment right now because I feel like off campus, if you loved Heated Rivalry, which we've also done a brutally honest review.

[00:03:11]We'll link it in our show notes.

[00:03:13]>> Oh, that was a fun time.

[00:03:14]>> Big big moment for hockey.

[00:03:16]>> Yeah. And again, but it's not hockey itself. It's just like the momentum that >> Yeah. Hockeyy's like a side character in the background. It's not like New York where it's the main character.

[00:03:25]>> And it's it's very similar to this show um off campus. But anyway, it's like the I feel like the sexy like college drama that we've got from heated rivalry like off campus will fill that hole in your heart while we wait for the next season of heated arrival and then they can just like two time it.

[00:03:42]>> Exactly. People have been comparing them and like they're completely different things like heated rivalry has a much more intensity higher stakes >> and off campus is like straight people.

[00:03:51]>> Yeah. And it's just a little cute fun time and it's like these cute little straight people hooking up inside. So in each of the books it's one of these hockey boys each has his own book kind of like this is like Bridgeten >> Bridget but for boys >> but for boys >> they each have their own book. So the first um season of off campus is based on the book the deal. And as we said this show has gone absolutely nuts. It had 36 million views. Half of those from Emily in the first 12 days of streaming.

[00:04:17]And among female viewers aged 18 to 34.

[00:04:21]It was the number one prime video debut of all time. So, if you're watching it five times, you're not alone.

[00:04:27]>> This is how we find community.

[00:04:28]>> I know. And it's also like I love that production companies and streamers are jumping on these type of shows that are book adaptations of books that have already created such a cult following of women who love them because they already have an existing audience. It's like it's not they don't really need that test audience for the pilot episodes because they know there are going to be so many people who love them which is why I love it when they take on feedback of who people want for the actors and actresses because I think it's so important to listen to your audience when you're recreating these shows >> and just think about some of the shows that have taken over the world recently like Heated Rivalry, Bridgeten, now Off Campus. They're all shows skewed at women of all ages, but I guess young women. And again, that just goes to show, make content for young women and it will take over the world.

[00:05:16]>> Yeah. Cuz we will bring you numbers.

[00:05:18]>> Yeah. Include myself in that young women category.

[00:05:20]>> We are all young women.

[00:05:21]>> Well, stats do show that people who read like teen novels or young adult novels are often predominantly women in their 40s, 50s, 60s. Like not always, but I guess it's because we you're either in it or you've lived through it. So, it's like this communal experience where it appeals to everyone. So, we love that.

[00:05:38]>> And women read.

[00:05:39]>> Women read. Hot take.

[00:05:40]>> Hot take. Women read. Did you see that article? Um, >> that article about a woman who broke up with a boyfriend because he doesn't read.

[00:05:48]>> Oh my god. No. But I that woman did the right thing.

[00:05:51]>> Yes. And like that's why we get shows for us.

[00:05:54]>> Yeah.

[00:05:54]>> Specifically.

[00:05:55]>> Exactly. It's a little reward.

[00:05:56]>> Men are like, "How am I going to find a woman? Just read a book.

[00:05:59]>> Just read a book."

[00:06:00]>> And asked her questions. See our episode from yesterday. Anyway, so this season of Off-C based on the book The Deal, starts off with our character Hannah Wells, who's a music major at the fictional Brighton University, played by British actress Ella Bright, which >> I did kind of know in the back of my head that she was British because she was in the Mallerie Towers show series, which is British famously. Um, but I kind of didn't clock until I saw her doing interviews in a full British accent.

[00:06:25]>> Same. I had no idea. Her American accent is so good. And that's coming from someone who doesn't know anything about American accent. But in my opinion, her American accent was amazing. And then when I was watching interviews of her doing press for OffCampus, I was like, "What's going on with her voice?"

[00:06:41]>> Yeah, >> she's British. That's what's going on.

[00:06:42]>> Crazy. As I was watching her doing press, I was thinking of this interview she did where she like got the screeners early kind of like we do and her family desperately wanted to watch and obviously there's a lot of sex and nudity and she's like wait till I come back from the press tour to like her parents and her extended family and we'll watch it together. And in her head she's like so I can fast forward a few moments and then she got back from doing press and her family was like oh no we've already watched it twice and we skipped nothing.

[00:07:06]>> Oh my god.

[00:07:07]>> I was like yeah good on her family for supporting her. There's nothing shameful about filming a sex scene or a masturbation >> scene. It's a really nice family. I would request a parental safe version of the show, which will probably be like 10 minutes.

[00:07:20]>> Nicola Cochland did that for um her season of Bridgetton. She asked if they could send her an edited copy of like some of the sex scenes out and and then they were like, "No."

[00:07:30]>> I was like, "I'll be proud of it. Your boobs looked amazing." But I understand as someone who's never had to show like my family filming a sex scene.

[00:07:36]>> When it comes to parents, it's a bit different, isn't it?

[00:07:38]>> I love talking about stuff I have no relatability to. So Hannah is um a student at Brier University. She's on a scholarship and when we're introduced to her, we find out that she's working a whole bunch of um like study time jobs.

[00:07:50]So she's working at the hockey center.

[00:07:53]She's working at the diner that they all hang out at, which I love cuz it's very like kind of college towny. Um and she's working all these jobs, but she needs a scholarship and it's being yanked. And so she's faced with the possibility of having to leave college halfway through her time there or winning a pop scholarship, which I love cuz this is so like Disney Channel early 2000s.

[00:08:12]>> It's so funny like her music teacher who I guess is like the parental guidance of the all the students. Like he acts as like the truth teller. Um Devid who is absolutely amazing. I I think his character was like very important to have as like kind of the mentor for not just her but like the audience as well watching to see like what the decisions the characters would make. Um but it was very funny that initial like it sets up the whole thing, right? Like you the first thing we learn about her is that she's there on a music scholarship and she's had it ripped away from her and then she sees like a little pamphlet that says music scholarship offered to the winner of the pop contest. That is not a thing. That is not a thing at all.

[00:08:57]>> She is in these kind of teen fantasy shows. We love that. At the same time, she's just a girl trying to do her job cleaning up at the hockey center. Walks into the locker room.

[00:09:06]>> Worst job, by the way.

[00:09:07]>> Yeah. A men's locker room, especially a college boy's locker room, >> and you're seeing her pulling like all these like sweaty jerseys that they've left on the floor. Has some decency.

[00:09:16]>> You know, a girl cleaning up after you.

[00:09:18]Disgusting.

[00:09:19]>> I hope she don't have to clean the bathroom. That just actually came into my head right now.

[00:09:22]>> No. No foot down. No. 100%. This is a horror movie. This is a horror show and no one's talking about it.

[00:09:27]>> I'm suing that university. They make her clean that bathroom.

[00:09:30]>> So, she's cleaning up, do minding her own business when she walks into the shower room, which I'm potentially maybe she should have been like, there's water running out and running in there. But, you know what?

[00:09:39]>> It sounds like someone's in the shower.

[00:09:40]Let me just walk. But she did have her headphones on actually. So, true. So fair. It's not her fault. Don't blame women. Um, and she sees Garrett Graham, played by Belmont Camelli. Um, the captain of the Brier University hockey team.

[00:09:53]>> The it boy.

[00:09:54]>> The it boy. And as we learn, the [ __ ] boy of the university completely naked.

[00:09:59]And the camera does a slow long pan.

[00:10:02]>> She doesn't just see him. She stares.

[00:10:04]>> She stares longingly and she would.

[00:10:06]She's just a girl. She's She's also in shock.

[00:10:09]>> She Yeah, >> she's in shock. And I see this is the Is that the first time this has happened?

[00:10:14]She's cleaning that place every night.

[00:10:16]>> Yeah. Well, I think >> first time she's seen him naked.

[00:10:18]>> It's the first time she's seen it happen because she obviously assumes that all the boys are out and he because he's the it boy who needs to be the star hockey player. He's obviously doing overtime and is practicing when no one else is there because that's what all he's doing is practicing hockey, getting bad grades, and having sex with Kendall.

[00:10:35]>> Yeah.

[00:10:36]>> That's literally all he's doing.

[00:10:37]>> Yes. Cuz then we get more of his backstory. But also, as though the camera's petting down, they don't show penis there, but we do get to see it later, which is so fun. Did you notice he has scars across his stomach like the actor does >> in the shot?

[00:10:49]>> Yes, I did notice. I only clocked it >> when I did my rewatch.

[00:10:54]>> Oh, sure, sure, sure.

[00:10:54]>> Because I learned why he has those scars.

[00:10:56]>> Isn't it nice? Tell the people.

[00:10:58]>> He gave I can't remember what organ it is. A kidney.

[00:11:02]>> So, he went un surgery because his friend needed >> His childhood best friend. Yeah, >> thank you. his childhood best friend needed a kidney. Um, he realized he wasn't a match, but he did it anyway and gave it to a stranger.

[00:11:14]>> So, he Yeah, he took part in this. It was like a 14 person kidney swap. So, everyone who, my understanding of his interviews, like his best friend needed one, he wasn't a match. So, they went into this like swap where everyone who needed a kidney had someone who donated and so they were all matched up. So, like his kidney went to someone else and then like someone else gave his friend a kidney because he had donated. So like all these people got new kidneys and he was just like yeah that's just you know he's like I I had two healthy kidneys. I saved someone's life like and then my best friend got a kidney and it was all great but I didn't know that when I saw the scars and I saw some people being like what are those things on his body and it's like so if you're watching it that's what it was.

[00:11:48]>> Wow.

[00:11:49]>> What a lovely young man we >> I know you could be dating him.

[00:11:54]>> I know she's much younger so he can't be dating her.

[00:11:57]>> Yeah. He's got a girlfriend. They're pretty much all hooked. Well, all the boys on this show have real life partners, by the way.

[00:12:04]>> I guess they're all like >> But also, we'll see how long that lasts.

[00:12:06]I'm joking. I'm joking. It's fine.

[00:12:09]>> It's fine.

[00:12:11]>> Never hook up with other coast guards.

[00:12:13]>> I love how I think that the only thing standing between me and Belmont is his girlfriend.

[00:12:17]>> Yeah.

[00:12:18]>> Otherwise, wide open.

[00:12:20]>> Wide open. So, anyway, Hannah's staring at his penis.

[00:12:23]>> And so fair. And he loves it, by the way. When he when he turns around and sees her, he's not shocked at all. He just smiles.

[00:12:29]>> I know. But like it would have been flaccid.

[00:12:32]>> Yeah, but he doesn't he's a jock. He doesn't care.

[00:12:34]>> I know. But >> he's just happy to see her there. He's just happy.

[00:12:36]>> I think I I'd feel intimidated cuz she's kind of like cocking her head like a you know when a puppy's confused.

[00:12:42]>> Yeah.

[00:12:43]>> But he's not seeing that. He's got his boy filter on where he's like she it's like how men like always think that women want like a >> I know I look good. She knows it too.

[00:12:53]>> He's loving it. He's loving it.

[00:12:54]>> And he's like you've lost something. And she was like h. And then she runs away and then trips over her basket of like laundry.

[00:13:01]>> Yeah.

[00:13:01]>> And escapes.

[00:13:02]>> Cuz women in romcoms, they always have muscle issues where they can't stand up.

[00:13:05]>> That's so true. They have to be clumsy.

[00:13:08]They have to fall over constantly.

[00:13:09]>> Yeah. The staircase is their biggest enemy.

[00:13:11]>> Never break a bone. Never bruise cuz then they'd be not pretty.

[00:13:14]>> That's so true.

[00:13:14]>> The rules of romcoms. So then they meet again um in their class at uni the next day or college the next day. And um it comes out that she is an excellent student, of course, cuz she's on a scholarship. gets an A+ for their um paper and he fails it which is very bad for him because it means he could be off the hockey team forever and thus the deal is born. The deal is born. So he figures out that she um got A's and he's failing. And he also realizes that she has a crush on Justin Cole, who's like this leather jacketwearing, hot mysterious music guy who's the lead guitarist and singer of his band that he plays in all the university like bars.

[00:13:57]Um except I only really saw him play covers. So >> So is he a real musician? Is he a real?

[00:14:02]>> It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

[00:14:03]>> Anyway, Hannah has a huge fat crush on him. Um, Garrett clocks this, so he decides to make a deal with her. And their deal is that she tutors him to get his grades up so he can continue playing hockey. And he will pretend to date her to make Justin jealous.

[00:14:21]>> Yes. It's so interesting watching it cuz one of the So, I haven't read the books, um, but I've I've delved into the law behind them. So, in the books, Justin is apparently a jock. He's just like another version of Garrett. And so the showrunner and the script writers changed it for the show and made him a musician just so that there was like a clear clear difference between him and Garrett as like these two men who were like kind of vying for Hannah's heart.

[00:14:45]And I think it works really well especially with um Australian actor um Josh Houston in there and boy has he been doing the media round of Australia >> walk out the street without bumping into that boy and him going do you want a selfie? literally. Um I remember seeing him everywhere when Heartbreak High came out cuz he was in the first few seasons of that. Um and he's a brilliant actor.

[00:15:05]I'm so glad he's got this gig cuz I think he deserves to be internationally known.

[00:15:10]>> Yeah. Well, he has a few big things coming up which he's being very tighted about, but we know.

[00:15:14]>> We know.

[00:15:16]>> Sydney girls know.

[00:15:17]>> Um but I really loved his character because I'm firstly I'm glad they changed it and didn't make him another jock. I'm glad they kind of made him the opposite of Garrett, but also still really likable because whenever we have these situations where it's fake dating to real dating or enemies to lovers, there's always that third person and the audience is meant to root for the people they know are going to end up together and not root for the other person. But they made Justin really likable. Like he didn't have any like flaws in the sense where he wasn't a dick to her. He wasn't ignoring her. He wasn't bad at music. He wasn't a [ __ ] person. They made him like a proper person that makes sense where you're like, "Yeah, I can see why she likes him because he is a really nice guy who's helping her with this song so she can get a scholarship." And the fact that even though it didn't work out with them, he still helped her.

[00:16:07]>> So, I'm glad it's like they put they gave the challenge to the audience to really pick who they wanted her to end up with. And I think it was a worthy challenge.

[00:16:14]>> Yeah, absolutely. Because there's moments where you look at Hannah and Justin together, you're like, "Oh, do I kind of want them to be together?" And that makes the storytelling stakes higher. You're right. Because in those really paper thin romcoms or movies where like you have this girl who's like a bit bland but like perfect and she's dating like or she wants to date this terrible terrible guy and it kind of I mean obviously women do date terrible people but there's something they're not terrible all the time from the jump.

[00:16:38]>> Yeah.

[00:16:38]>> Otherwise you're like this woman is crazy.

[00:16:40]>> Exactly. Which is I what I feel like they kind of failed at when we did our brutally honest review of the Samurai Turn pretty where I think they made Jeremiah a bit too unlikable.

[00:16:49]>> Okay. I think I was the only one who was a bit into him.

[00:16:51]>> You were a bit into him one episode, >> but it was like the last season they made him like a completely different person because they needed everyone to root for Bella and Condra and they just went too far the other way where people just started bullying the actor.

[00:17:03]>> Exactly. And they were like there's no stakes here because you should have been like cuz a really good love triangles like she could nearly and like shows like One Tree Hill and stuff or Dawson's Creek do this really well where like if you're looking at those really peak teen dramas where you're like I kind of want her to be with both of them.

[00:17:18]>> But when Edward or Jacob >> Yeah. Ex Well, that was a bit of a clear cut for me. I mean, was I the only one who was team Jacob? I was like, "Actually, girl, tea get out of that little town with those creepy monster men and go and like live your life out of that little town with stop dating that 200 year old. Stop dating men who are monsters and like keep controlling your life, but I guess girls like that."

[00:17:38]Um, but yeah, yeah, you're right. The summer turn pretty. Everyone's like, one is like being this really nice guy and one's a complete dope, >> so there's no stakes and everyone's like, and you know what, [ __ ] this guy for all the memes. I felt so bad for him.

[00:17:51]>> Exactly. So, we're hoping that none of the off-c campus series go into that place.

[00:17:57]>> So, yeah. So, now we have the deal where she has to tutor him, which we don't see a lot of that, and that's so fine. I don't need to see it. Um, and then he has to really make it clear to everyone on campus for it to get to Justin that they are dating. And part of that is Hannah having to go to the hockey boys house.

[00:18:14]>> Yeah.

[00:18:14]>> Which I love. I'm I'm so invested in those boys and that and that filthy sexy house that they live in. Oh my god. I was like I was expecting like a big house with like 20 of them like what we see in all of like these college movies of like >> I thought it was like a frat house or something. No, it's it's literally an off-c campus house they just live in.

[00:18:34]>> House like kind of like in Bad Neighbors have like that house next to >> Seth Rogan. Um, but what I liked about the house is like the minute she's in that house, you're quickly getting introduced to all the other main characters who you know will have books about them as well. And then we have um Logan's sibling Jules who acts like the kind of like interpretator for the audience where Jules is explaining like every kind of person just by like acting and being in that house and also helping us understand hockey.

[00:19:06]>> Yeah. Which we so needed.

[00:19:07]>> We needed cuz I didn't know much. Even though I grew up on Mighty Ducks, I know nothing about hockey. The interesting thing about Jules is that that character is not in the book. So, I think John Logan has an older brother who works at like the tire shop with him, but the Jules character is just for the show, which I really like cuz as you're saying, that character was our eyes and ears and having the gossip site be like the little Gossip Girl kind of homage thing worked really well. So, that's one of the times I think adding a character really helped.

[00:19:32]>> Yeah, I agree. Um, and then >> Yeah. So when she's at the >> I haven't seen it either, but >> when she's at the boy's house, I got introduced to my favorite boy.

[00:19:45]>> Okay. Who you? Because Okay, this is a very important conversation. It says a lot about you. Which of the boys in Off Campus you think is the sexiest? So, actually, I don't know who you're going to say.

[00:19:55]>> Logan.

[00:19:57]>> Oh, okay. That's nice cuz he's the nice one.

[00:20:00]>> He's hot. He Yeah. YEAH, HE IS HOT.

[00:20:04]>> HE IS HOT. LOOK, I'M not proud of my choice.

[00:20:06]>> This reflects very blonde man.

[00:20:08]>> I know. THAT'S THE WORST THING TO HAVE A CRUSH ON. ALSO, OBVIOUSLY, I think Dean's the hottest. And I'm not That's I'm ashamed because he is the most that is the most basic [ __ ] thing to say that he's such a bad boy.

[00:20:21]>> You think the rogue that the rich spoiled bad boy, but he just has the best personality and he's so hot. And I just thought, especially in that maverick get up.

[00:20:28]>> Oh my. I actually think that's what did it for me. Not that I think Tom Cruz is hot. was very confused. So confused. Don is the lead.

[00:20:35]>> We can pretend he's a Marella.

[00:20:36]>> Oh my god. Maybe that's it. Maybe Maybe my head was doing some wild math. It was getting me to watch. I don't know. I don't I I know you shouldn't be ashamed of a crush, but I kind of am.

[00:20:47]>> Oh, >> I know. But also, I stand by it.

[00:20:49]>> But he's like hot hot in real life because he's His natural >> hot in the show. What are you talking about?

[00:20:54]>> His natural hair is brunette and he's so much better looking as >> and his fiance was the one that girl.

[00:21:00]I'm sure she's lovely. How dare How dare she >> How she dare she get date engaged to my passing fictional crush. Apparently she was the one cuz she's a big fan of the books and she was like to him you have to play Dean.

[00:21:10]>> Girls girls >> the best.

[00:21:14]>> She's like girls I will let you see my fiance naked see him having wild sex.

[00:21:18]This is for everyone.

[00:21:19]>> Better respect her for that decision.

[00:21:21]>> Yeah. No, he's been hyping her.

[00:21:23]>> He better not do an Austin Butler Vanessa Hudins where she made him audition for Elvis and then he dumped her.

[00:21:28]>> He's like, "Oh, I think a friend of mine told me to do it." Everyone's like, "It's Vanessa." She's told that story before, >> [ __ ] >> Yeah. Okay, let's not hate him.

[00:21:38]>> I love Austin. He was great in that film. Allegedly.

[00:21:45]>> Oh, bro.

[00:21:45]>> No, I just love Pudge. I love her.

[00:21:47]>> Me, too. Me, too. Except when she said that CO WASN'T A BIG DEAL.

[00:21:51]>> PEOPLE are going to die and that's like sad, but like >> inevitable.

[00:21:56]>> It's like, girl, turn the camera off.

[00:21:58]>> Girl, put your sneakers on.

[00:21:59]>> Yeah. Don't say that. Don't say that.

[00:22:02]Um, I was going to say we all say weird things, but no, we don't. Um, okay. So, we have all the we have all these hot boys living in this house. But what's really interesting about them is they all have these intense backtories that except for Dean, >> who's just like in a penthouse >> who's never known hardship in his life.

[00:22:17]And I actually find that really cute and refreshing.

[00:22:20]>> And who's having wild sex in his bedroom with the door open and doesn't know how to snake a drain. Like the literally the most useless man you could ever have around.

[00:22:27]>> Yeah. And that's why you know what?

[00:22:29]What?

[00:22:29]>> Tucker better get his comeuppins.

[00:22:31]Tucker's been doing the most in that house.

[00:22:33]>> I know. He looks >> He's the only one who's had like a nice family and he can't even see them. He's cooked everyone a Thanksgiving meal.

[00:22:43]Only everyone else just bought drinks.

[00:22:45]>> Yeah.

[00:22:46]>> He drain. He likes snakes to drain.

[00:22:48]>> Yeah.

[00:22:49]>> He plans the parties.

[00:22:50]>> Yeah.

[00:22:50]>> He makes canopes.

[00:22:52]>> Oh no. He's such a perfect man yet. Why aren't we saying he's the hot one? He is hot. Look, they're all hot.

[00:22:57]>> They're all really hot. Obviously, obviously >> he's also really good at hockey.

[00:23:00]Actually, maybe I have a crush on Tucker.

[00:23:02]>> All right, we must move on. The whole episode is just us talking about which of the boys is hot and why. Um, so we have Hannah and Garrett come together and having to sort of sell this idea that they're in a relationship. And as we learn more about them, we start to learn about their past traumas. So, his is that his father was highly abusive, physically abusive, and controlling to his mother who's passed away. and now he's dating someone else who is also being abusive towards and Garrett both wants to get away from him is like has these trauma flashbacks of growing up in that house but is also like very like internally afraid that he'll be like his father and obviously with Hannah we start to learn about her traumatic past >> we learn that she was raped in high school and we also learn that um quite early on we get like hints of it where she doesn't drink at college parties she never accepts an open drink or a drink in a cup Um, and then we see when she's working on the till at the hockey game that he, her rapist, walks past her and she has that big moment of like absolute dread. And we also learn slowly that the boys in the house and Garrett start to figure it out as well, but um, >> don't confront her about it. They just want her to feel safe. So Logan suggests Garrett gives her like a closed beer.

[00:24:20]Um, Dean talks to Garrett about consent.

[00:24:23]>> Yeah. Great job, Dean. I mean, look, >> I mean, look, that hot, silly boy. At least he knows about consent.

[00:24:29]>> I know, but this is the um it's like these kind of conversations that I'm glad they're having in this show because we also forget that like a lot of young young girls have read the books like similar like I read the Twilight books when I was like 10 years old.

[00:24:43]>> That is crazy to me. No, >> you should not have I'm going to call What was Evelyn doing? You can't be reading those. read them after me and she was like, "Oh my god, >> I would have if id read those at 10, I would have lost my freaking mind. I would have stopped going to school." I was like, "Is this what boys real boys are like?"

[00:25:01]>> I'm so glad I was in like early high school, I think, or something when I read them.

[00:25:04]>> Especially like that sex scene in like Breaking Dorm. And she's like, "And I had bruises and I liked it." And I'm like, "Oh, >> I didn't know you get those."

[00:25:10]>> Yeah. Here we go. You're like, "Well, something to look forward to.

[00:25:19]So, what I'm trying to say is um it's when these characters are having conversations because yes, the dean talking to Garrett about consent is very very important, but um in the shows that I guess we're watching that are made for adult women, it's done in a more like understandable way where it's not so like in your face. So, when I was watching it, I was like, well, obviously like I can't believe they're having this. But then I remember, no, this show is for young girls as well and that is important for them especially.

[00:25:46]>> Oh, absolutely. And everything about the rape story line I thought was handled so so well because every time you see her rapist flash up on the camera or there's shots of him. It's he's filmed with this air of like a villain or a demon and it feels so unsettling and like you're about to be in a jump scare and it makes so much sense because you're always seeing him through Hannah's eyes and that is how she views him whether she's seeing him in real life or she's remembering him. And I also thought it was really interesting that Louisa Levy, who's one of the co-creators and like showrunners of the series, said that they were very mindful of they showed a few flashbacks from Garrett's life and when they were doing Hannah's story, all the trauma was through either like her expression or the way she told people and they were really conscious to never flash back and show it in the present.

[00:26:34]Yeah. Cuz she's like it's not showing the rape scene is not going to further the plot.

[00:26:40]and I know some shows and movies that there's some rape scenes that are horrific to watch that event in a movie or a TV show um for the story to really hit but I thought in this case you didn't need to see it like it was present enough without it. Yeah, I'm really happy they went through with that decision because it is like on the surface level it's meant to be like a college fun uplifting like sexy show and I'm glad the characters have that depth to them and you can see the nuances of like why they are the way they are but I'm glad it's not like lingering on it or it's not like a part that like absolutely takes away from everything else that's happening because it is like a comfort show. Like it is a fun show to watch.

[00:27:27]100%. And it's nice those two things can exist. Like it can be a fun romantic like sexy sexy show with also hand that's what young adult content does. I hate when people write off young adult content because I'm like it does it balances these huge moments in your life or it can balance huge trauma, but it also can like mimic that idea of like falling in love for the first time, having a first crush, a first heartbreak, like in a very intense way.

[00:27:51]Which leads us to the first kind of big like sex scene of the show, like the proper ones.

[00:27:57]>> Yes. Between Hannah and Garrett. So, they were out. They were having karaoke.

[00:28:03]A lot of songs in this show. Might I just add?

[00:28:06]>> Didn't you love the karaoke scene where um Hannah gets up in her sexy top and sings?

[00:28:11]>> No. I find those scenes so cringe. What?

[00:28:13]>> Yeah.

[00:28:14]>> Oh my god. I love that scene. No, unless it's unless I'm watching a musical. If you're going to surprise me with a song, jail time.

[00:28:22]>> But like it's not a it's not like she's not singing to herself. Like it's >> Oh, I know. She was not singing to herself.

[00:28:27]>> It's not a fantasy. She's not in glee.

[00:28:29]>> She's singing. She's singing to me. And I did not like it.

[00:28:32]>> It was like they were at karaoke. Yeah, I thought it was such a stark difference cuz like Alli's so wild and out there and like quite a bad singer, but like it doesn't matter cuz she gets up there with a confidence and then everyone kind of sees Hannah as well um as they call her which is the cutest nickname ever.

[00:28:45]Um see her as a bit of a wallflower and then she gets up there and just like destroys that song and the look on Garrett's face and John Logan's face.

[00:28:53]>> Yeah. Drama um was Yeah. I just thought that was so great. It was so like reminiscent of like those kind of old school like early 2000s romcoms like old school Disney shows of like the girl getting up and just like >> Yeah.

[00:29:08]>> like being able to sing and everyone being like she's amazing.

[00:29:10]>> I know. Too long in my opinion.

[00:29:12]>> Oh, okay. All right. Well, Emily hates joy. Which leads us to the kind of deal within a deal they make, which is Hannah saying to Garrett, I need you to sleep with me and give me an orgasm.

[00:29:23]>> Yeah. I need you to make me orgasm. And then end of episode two.

[00:29:28]And the stakes could not be higher because she wants to talk up with Justin so bad as she says to like we learn as viewers like she's so in her head that she doesn't think she can orgasm or even have sex with another person. But when she's by herself, fireworks.

[00:29:42]>> Fireworks. And the whole situation is is like very conflicting to Garrett because yes, he's allegedly made millions of women orgasm.

[00:29:53]>> I believe it. But I don't think anyone's ever told him, "You need to make me orgasm."

[00:29:57]>> Yeah. And he's very stressed by the situation.

[00:30:00]>> He's very stressed, >> which I understand and I I understand everyone. I understand her asking him because she It's kind of like a first pancake situation. Like she can't have Justin be in her head cuz he's her crush. Her first pancake >> about having sex for the first time with another person in college. And so she wants to do her first pancake with Garrett. And he is very stressed about it because this is a boy who like, God bless him, he's not good at much else.

[00:30:22]Like he's obviously notic.

[00:30:33]I know. In another world like she is the hero of this story and like Hannah is the villain cuz like she just wants to go on a date.

[00:30:39]>> Kendall and Lacy Bar.

[00:30:40]>> Yeah. From the summer pretty all these side girls who are kind of written off.

[00:30:44]We're like what's their side story? Um but with Garrett it's like this is the like he's used to obviously everything he does in a physical way. He's great at He's great at hockey. Apparently, he's great at sex. His body is ripped. He's never had to his body has never let him down in any way. And for the first time ever, he's really worried that he won't be able to help out his friend Hannah, who he's starting to get a crush on, and that he won't be able to help her orgasm. So, obviously, he turns to his bros for a bit of advice, which I thought was really cute.

[00:31:10]>> Hey guys, Hannah wants me to do this thing, and I don't know how.

[00:31:13]>> How? Help me out.

[00:31:14]>> Help me out. And that's when Dean gives his consent speech, >> which also not know. It's so important.

[00:31:20]>> Yeah. So important because also like we um did mention that when Hannah says make me orgasm, like in that same conversation, she also tells Garrett about her past and what happened to her.

[00:31:31]So he does want to make sure that this is okay for her and that she feels safe.

[00:31:36]And then when we get to the actual intimacy between them, best sex scene, I reckon.

[00:31:43]>> Yes.

[00:31:43]>> Best first sex scene. Oh, absolutely.

[00:31:45]Because he there's this idea they could have just walked away. They could have tried penetrative sex again, but he's remember her saying like, "When it's when I'm by myself, fireworks." And he's like, "Show me."

[00:31:55]>> And he like and then they undress in front of each other and he makes them look at each other's bodies.

[00:32:00]>> It's hot, but also beautiful.

[00:32:01]>> It's so sweet.

[00:32:02]>> And then they just look into each other's eyes, and it's really cuz obviously she is feeling unsafe, but he's kind of like giving her these like really encouraging looks. Like they're on the same team. They're not touching, but they're on the same team. And then >> he's so good at hockey, right?

[00:32:16]>> He's a team player. such a team player.

[00:32:18]He's like, "WE GOT THIS."

[00:32:20]>> So good at all.

[00:32:21]>> Game plan.

[00:32:22]>> He's like, "Yeah, he's like team game plan. I'm the captain. I'm going to get us to the finish line." And then when he starts masturbating in front of her, that could have also been confronting for her, but he does it in kind of such like he's looking at her encouragingly and it's so sweet. And it's interesting cuz when I was reading an interview with the actress Ella who plays Hannah, when she read that scene, she thought that they would be lying down next to each other, which is >> which is what I guess most people do.

[00:32:47]>> People would do. It was an interesting position for both of them. Maybe not for him, but I don't know if anyone's ever tried like a girl, but that would be the prime position to sit up like that. It kind of reminds me of the which is like not the intimate level but the same type of like sex level of when um Jessa and Adam and girls >> masturbate next to each other.

[00:33:06]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:33:06]>> And it's like that kind of like we can't do that yet but so we're going to do this.

[00:33:11]>> Yeah. and but theirs was like so intimate um Hannah and Garrett and looking at each other and then both of them orgasming and it also shows especially in coming back to like how this who the show is made of for like young girls that that is still sex.

[00:33:26]>> Yeah, absolutely.

[00:33:27]>> Like masturbating with a partner is still sex. Like not touching a partner is still sex. And I like that that's what we got and we didn't get like this full like penetrative sex that we kind of get in Bridgetin and stuff as like it has to be that or nothing else. And in a way when I was watching that I was like oh my god this is this almost feels way more intimate than the scene before when they were having like more a missionary style sex because it's showing someone what you would normally do in private.

[00:33:52]They're in eye contact with each other.

[00:33:54]They somehow managed to orgasm at the same time which is wow crazy and more intimate because they're like watching each other. So, I just and I also like I had this moment as I was watching it being like this feels so groundbreaking to me because I've watched every teen show in existence. Pretty much every teen movie, but every teen show 100% from when I was a teen all through my high school years, my uni years to right now. And especially when I was a teenager watching all these shows, >> I cannot think of one episode, one character, one show where I saw a character, but let alone a female character like a young woman masturbate.

[00:34:29]It was never even discussed like when I was in high school. It was never discussed in any of the shows I watched.

[00:34:35]It was never shown like that. It definitely wouldn't have been shown as like a positive, empowering, like beautiful thing that you could do with a sexual partner that you trusted. And I was just watching it and thinking like, "Oh my god, I'm so happy that all like the 16, 17, 18, like year olds who we know are watching this show, like young women are seeing that on screen."

[00:34:54]>> Yeah, 100%. Well, there was this whole thing in Hollywood as well, right, where like women giving men [ __ ] was seen as like acceptable sex scenes, but like men going down on women would like up the um rating of the show. Like it made like um movies are rated, but if it was the other way around, it would be MA.

[00:35:14]>> Exactly. And there's so many women who have and like femaleled movies or scenes where that happens where they've had to like push back against the censoring board and be like, "Well, now our movie doesn't have to be R18 plus cuz it has one oral sex scene of a woman, but that happens a lot." And that's why it gets cuts out cuz then that cuts who can see your movie. So then studios and TV shows don't want to show that. So yeah, it was super groundbreaking.

[00:35:35]>> Loved it.

[00:35:35]>> Love those guys.

[00:35:36]>> Love those guys. And also interesting to note that even though we see Hannah like being like sexually vulnerable in that moment and later on when her and Garrett like really fall in love with each other when they're having sex like you do see some skin but not a lot. And it's interesting that the actress Ella Brightite who plays Hannah was saying that in the audition process and during like the early like chemistry reads and stuff that she was told um we're only doing partial nudity for Hannah. So she's like every actress who was auditioning for Hannah was told that.

[00:36:04]that every actress who was auditioning for Ally was told like it's going to be full nudity because they wanted to show that their characters like Hannah's a bit more kind of reserved with her body and like a bit more comfortable with being covered up whereas Ally is a bit more expressive and like a bit more like kind of open sexually. So like it's it's different but it works.

[00:36:23]>> It works. Can you see that right in the beginning when um Hannah and Ally are together in their um apartment and as Hannah's talking to Ally, Ally is just like changing and like taking all her clothes off and you see everything. And I think right from the get- go, you have that understanding of like how both of these women are like best friends and are like so confident, but how they both feel about their own bodies. And I think that was done really well. I think that was such a good note from the casting crew to like do that from the get- go.

[00:36:51]>> Yeah, exactly. like all those little details woven through. So then we kind of get to the moment post drunk Shakespeare.

[00:36:58]>> Oh, love drunk Shakespeare. We definitely need to do more of that in real life.

[00:37:03]>> Do more of it. Do you know anyone who does that?

[00:37:05]>> No, but do you? Cuz I want to take part.

[00:37:07]>> I don't have any >> I don't want to be on stage. I want to be the ones drinking when they forget their lives.

[00:37:10]>> I'm not secret I hate to break it to you. I'm not secretly going to drunk Shakespeare after work. Although I kind of would, it would be you.

[00:37:16]>> If there's Yeah, that's actually so true. Freaking love Shakespeare. I love a Midsummer Night stream. loves Shakespeare and she loves to drink.

[00:37:21]>> I love drinking so much. If you're out there, if you're out there in Sydney, I mean, we will travel. Um, but Sydney, if you have a drunk Shakespeare organization, please do invite Emily and I. Yeah, we just don't want to be on stage.

[00:37:34]>> I'll be on stage.

[00:37:35]>> Okay, you can be on stage.

[00:37:36]>> I would love to be on >> as long as you forget your lines all the time. I want to be Absolutely. I will.

[00:37:40]Don't worry. So, we get drunk Shakespeare and this is where um Justin starts to really be keen on Hannah because they're both on stage. Um >> cuz the plot has worked. The plot has worked.

[00:37:51]>> Men are so predictable. He all of a sudden sees her being coveted by another man and he wants her so bad.

[00:37:56]>> And then Kendall's there.

[00:37:57]>> Yeah, Kendall's there having her moment.

[00:37:59]She's like, "Oh, I thought you said because I couldn't remember your mother's name, which you never told me cuz she passed away tragically. Um we couldn't be boyfriend and girlfriend, but now you're hooking up with this other girl."

[00:38:08]>> Like, does Hannah know your mother's name? Yeah, probably not. That never comes to light.

[00:38:12]>> Exactly.

[00:38:12]>> Yeah. Wow. Justice for Kendall.

[00:38:14]>> Justice for Kendall.

[00:38:15]>> At least she's getting like drunken >> Kendall and Justin.

[00:38:19]>> I see it happening.

[00:38:20]>> Kendall and Justin.

[00:38:20]>> Yeah. A spin-off series. Let's do it.

[00:38:22]>> Yes. Oh my god. Next season.

[00:38:24]>> Sorry. Sorry, Ally and Dean.

[00:38:26]>> Yeah. Sorry. You've been bummed. So, um, Hannah and Justin have like drinks together after drunk Shakespeare and they have like the first kind of like conversation that's outside of the music room. And Hannah very quickly learns that like, oh, they're just not right for each other.

[00:38:41]>> It's like it's that classic thing of like you think you like a boy, but then you realize you just like the idea of him.

[00:38:46]>> You like the idea of him? Because Justin um was talking about his favorite song and she's like, "Well, how does it make you feel?" And when she asks Garrett that question, he talks about like how it actually makes him feel. And Justin's like, "It makes me feel like I should have written it." And also so fair, but also plot twist, Garrett being the deeper one. We didn't see that coming. A jock with a heart with like an inner like sensitivity. We'll get you every time.

[00:39:10]>> And then we see poor Garrett realizing that he has this huge crush on Hannah and he has to let out all of his emotions. So he takes it to the rink.

[00:39:17]>> He takes it to the rink. take leaves it all be ice >> and he starts like hitting pucks into a net.

[00:39:23]>> Yeah. Well done.

[00:39:24]>> He's practicing.

[00:39:24]>> Yeah.

[00:39:25]>> Um cuz that's all he does cuz he's not having sex with Kendall anymore. So he >> channeling all his emotion into the hockey into the rink when Hannah appears and over the loudspeaker plays a song for him.

[00:39:36]>> My worst nightmare.

[00:39:37]>> Imagine like just thinking you're alone and then the song just comes blasting.

[00:39:40]>> But also he knows exactly what this is the thing is like they're weirdly so interconnected because I would have been like what is happening? I don't understand. But he instantly knows it's her telling me she's in love with me, too.

[00:39:51]>> Yes. Because he like recognizes the tune as a tune she's been playing without the lyrics because when they should have been studying and her tutoring him, she was just playing the song, >> THE STUPID SONG, MAN.

[00:40:02]>> And then they have this, it's the first kiss where they're not kissing as a like just to kind of get comfortable with each other. They're not kissing to trick anyone. They're kissing as two people who have discovered they're in love with each other >> now.

[00:40:16]>> Oh no. Now, I'm going to say the worst thing I've ever said on this podcast about off campus, which is that first kiss between Hannah and Garrett, >> left me cold.

[00:40:28]>> It didn't I I I I'm not trying to be a hater or anything like that. And like I just felt like there wasn't the correct buildup wasn't there. The correct like chemistry wasn't there. It kind of felt like a rush scene of like we've ticked every box in this young adult plot and now we're going to have these two characters kiss and I was like what?

[00:40:50]This is too fast.

[00:40:51]>> Yeah, I know.

[00:40:52]>> There hasn't been enough buildup. There hasn't been enough The stakes didn't feel high. It didn't feel earned. It didn't feel earned in that moment to me.

[00:40:58]>> Yeah. I can't remember for me if it felt earned or not because I actually don't remember.

[00:41:02]>> You're like I was just in a sexy haze.

[00:41:04]>> I was like still trying to get over that song.

[00:41:07]>> I was like you going to listen to this while you're playing? it's distracting you.

[00:41:11]>> I was just like I just again as someone who loves young adult content >> unashamedly um completely unashamedly like I read so even now I've read so many young adult books I watch young adult TV shows and movies and I just I and I was raised in the golden era I do believe of young adult TV shows where you have that moment in like a One Tree Hill or a Dawson's Creek or something like that where you have that moment of these two people that you've been desperate for to kiss and they come together and it just feels like fireworks for you as the audience member because the buildup has been so intense and I didn't feel that for these two. It felt like a paint by numbers at this stage. It gets better later on but I just felt like guys why are we rushing this? Why was this not 15 episodes?

[00:41:57]>> You know what I think it was for me? I think it was because there wasn't enough will they won't they?

[00:42:01]>> It was very much they will from the second.

[00:42:04]>> Yeah. It was literally like they will.

[00:42:06]And I think we needed that pull because the biggest kiss on screen that I was like fireworks was between was on New Girl between Jess and Nick.

[00:42:15]>> Yes.

[00:42:16]>> Because you didn't see like each of them be in their own heads about. You didn't see like Nick pining after Jess. You It was very much will they won't they where like we just saw like little hints and we were like oh will they get together?

[00:42:28]Won't they get together? And then that spin around kiss was just like so surprising and like so earned. Exactly what you said. And >> I think because Hannah and Garrett had so many intimate moments before the big kiss, it just felt like we had seen it before in like different parts of them being intimate and it just didn't have that big like climactic like point.

[00:42:51]>> Yeah. I couldn't that I think that's it.

[00:42:53]You're so right. I couldn't tell a difference between the lie kiss and the we're in love kiss. there wasn't enough separation build up between them. So, it felt very low stakes to me. I was like, why am I more invested in the relationship between these boys in the dirty sexy hockey or I was way more invested in the relationship between Hannah and Ally? And then I was way more invested in Ally and Dean because there was a sense of buildup. There was a sense of danger. So, let's get to talk quickly about that because that was so beautifully woven through the show. cuz it's like a rewind and you're rewatching the older episodes. Kind of what they did with Heated Rivalry with um Scott's episode where you're seeing the same scenes but through Dean and Alli's eyes and what they were doing when Hannah and Garrett were having their deal. And oh my god, I think from the moment they were grinding on each other when she was JLo and he was Maverick.

[00:43:43]>> God, that was so hot.

[00:43:45]>> I was like for hours.

[00:43:46]>> I could have watched a whole episode.

[00:43:48]That's chemistry where like cuz I feel like with early Hannah and Garrett, not later on I believe them, but early Hannah and Garrett, the show was telling me they're in love. They It wasn't showing me. It was just like they're in love. We'll hit you over the head with it. Like no nuance. Whereas with Ally and Dean, I was like, "Oh, no, no, you don't have to tell me anything. I'm seeing it. I'm feeling it. I'm invested."

[00:44:05]>> Yeah. Oh my god. And because she has that stupid boyfriend, >> that boy, >> the worst guy ever.

[00:44:12]>> We're not even going to say his name cuz I didn't I've got it written here. I'm not even going to look. I mean, I'm sure he's going to go make some sweet girl very happy, but like >> some sweet accountant girl, >> but he you can just say he's just like everything. It's not even that he's just like a bit of a downer because obviously >> it just feels like he like is annoyed with her or doesn't like her.

[00:44:31]>> Yeah, it it feels like he thinks that she's ridiculous and I kind of understand. They met when they first got to college. It must have been very safe and nice. They've been together so long now. But the thing about him is like he seems to kind of just Yeah. be embarrassed by everything that she does and kind of like, you're right, annoyed with her. To the point where they're having this intense conversation in the shower. He's like, "Well, I'm going to get out. I'm cold."

[00:44:52]>> I'm like, "You're fine. It's a heated bathroom. You're fine.

[00:44:55]>> What do you mean you're cold? Your girlfriend's telling you that your life decisions affecting her?" And he's like, "No."

[00:44:59]>> Yeah.

[00:45:00]>> Which I think is why >> we'll just get back together. I don't care.

[00:45:02]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:04]>> I hate that man.

[00:45:05]>> Yeah. And also that's why it's it takes a lot for a man to be like such a drip that he makes like [ __ ] boy Dean look like the nice guy.

[00:45:14]>> And I think that's that's why we kind of love Dean and Ally together cuz yes, we see them have some great sex. But it's not even about the fact that we're seeing them hook up so much. It's the fact that you're seeing Ally with when she's with Dean, she's all of a sudden so comfortable and happy and free with herself because she was with this guy who was telling her that everything she wanted was a bit embarrassing and too much. So she with him always felt too much. She felt like wanting to have different sex apart from Mim. He's like, "We could put a pillow under you. Do you like that?"

[00:45:41]>> Oh my god, I love that idea.

[00:45:43]>> And also, there's nothing wrong with just wanting to do missionary sex, but he was kind of shaming her for wanting to be different sexually and try different things.

[00:45:49]>> And then you see her and Dean having sex in so many positions about missionary.

[00:45:52]>> Exactly. Every They're hanging off furniture, they're standing up, sex toys involved. It's all happening for them.

[00:45:58]But also, you see her the drip ex-boyfriend be like, he shames her for wanting to try different things in the bedroom. He shames her for wanting to be an actress. He shames her for not wanting to like move to like Providence with him or wherever it was. He shames her for like wanting this big life and to be a big person. And then when she was with Dean, she gets to be this and like Dean has obviously flaws, but he wants her to be a big person. That's when >> when he's watching drunk Shakespeare, he's like, "Isn't she amazing?" Yeah, he's attracted to the side of her personality that she's been trying to hide, which is again that's great storytelling, that's great chemistry, that's great world building, and that's why the payoff is so big with the two of them.

[00:46:35]>> Yeah. And then she um starts having feelings for him and she's very conflicted about that because she wants to have a single life, but she's a relationship girl. Like, she's only ever known relationships, which is why her breakup was so hard even though the guy was so bad. But like the bread coming is so good when you have that reveal that she's the one in bed with him cuz there's so like we didn't realize when we had that flashback of how they he came on top of her with the two girls and he misses out on his threesome but it's okay cuz he true love and um when her phone like she like comes up with like do not call and you think it's the dope boyfriend but it's actually >> it's actually Maverick >> Maverick. Um, and then because he's never been, he's not a relationship guy, so they have this pact to try to squash all feelings for each other to say, "We need to be sleeping with other people."

[00:47:21]And she goes sleeps with someone. And but he has such a big crush on her that he can't physically do it.

[00:47:27]>> Yeah. Which is again, that is the most kind of telling thing for like a renowned proud [ __ ] boy like that to be like, "Oh, I can't go hook up because I only want to hook up with her." And then she chooses someone who is turns out to be the worst person ever. But also, unique to her, she did the right thing.

[00:47:45]Before we get to that, because that's the last season, let's get into Hannah and Garrett's breakup because we see them have some great sex together, which is so nice because again, like it's not just watching the sex on TV. That that's not why women in particular are losing their minds over off-c campus. There's plenty of movies and TV shows that have sex in it. Also, porn exists. Exactly.

[00:48:04]You can see any kind of sex you want, but for most women, watching a porn clip won't always do it for you because you want that buildup of stories and characters and chemistry and all. Not all the time, but like in this case. And I think that's why when you see Garrett and Hannah having like such fun sex together, it's so nice because you're just like, oh, like she had this intense block and she feels so safe with him.

[00:48:25]>> Yeah. And you see it gradually as well.

[00:48:27]Like you see them having like oral sex and before you see them have penetrative sex. And I like that it they did it in a montagey way. So, you see like the development and how she's like like feeling safe with him.

[00:48:38]>> Absolutely.

[00:48:39]>> Um and then we get to the Thanksgiving episode where Tucker does the most.

[00:48:42]>> Yeah. Who's looking for who's looking after Tucker? No one.

[00:48:45]>> Why did no one else dry that turkey?

[00:48:47]Would it have to be his responsibility?

[00:48:49]>> That is the most dramatic part of the whole show. Him trying to make that Thanksgiving hockey be damned. The high stakes are in that kitchen in that filthy hockey house.

[00:48:56]>> And Hannah and also, and this is a note on friendship.

[00:49:00]>> Yeah. He had this tur this whole spread on this.

[00:49:03]>> He had this whole spread planned for days, for weeks, for months.

[00:49:08]>> And then day of all the guys say, "Oh, we're doing our own thing." Sorry.

[00:49:11]>> That is so rude. You're so right. And that's not in keeping with the brotherhood of the hockey house.

[00:49:16]>> I hated all those men in that episode.

[00:49:18]>> Me, too. Every single one.

[00:49:19]>> I was like, I was rooting for you guys.

[00:49:20]I was actually going to say, is this the ultimate friendship group of any teen drama? And there's lots of those out there.

[00:49:25]>> A lot of those. Tucker. I know. Justice for Tucker.

[00:49:28]>> Yeah. Yeah. And then his turkey burned.

[00:49:30]>> I know.

[00:49:32]>> Now he's throwing food on a like ice ring.

[00:49:34]>> I know. I just I hope I hope in his book his true love is he gets to cook that turkey again.

[00:49:39]>> Yeah.

[00:49:40]>> He doesn't need a girl.

[00:49:41]>> He doesn't need a girl.

[00:49:41]>> Well, he could date Emily.

[00:49:42]>> Oh my god, I'd love that. Bring Put me on the show.

[00:49:45]>> Make you Thanksgiving dinner.

[00:49:47]>> Okay, >> so Garrett tells Hannah like his history with his dad after their Thanksgiving dinner where um he figures out his dad has also been abusing his new fiance.

[00:49:57]And then we get to the hockey game.

[00:49:59]That's a very, very important game for our boys. And we find out that the star hockey player on the rival team is Hannah's rapist.

[00:50:08]>> I know. Horrific. Again, because we see it through her eyes, like how horrifying this man is.

[00:50:14]>> Um, she finds out and she physically can't make herself go to the game. Um, and she's kind of spiraling in that moment. She can't answer text messages.

[00:50:23]She can't talk to anyone. She's just all in her head about it. Um, at the same time, the boys are on the rink playing horribly. The rapist is just like beating them all up.

[00:50:32]>> We also find out that like obviously the rape was horribly and like being drugged and everything was horribly horrific for Hannah, but also the fact that like people in their lives, the town, the people at their school all turned against her, called her a liar cuz he was a golden jock. And this is like the mayor's son or something.

[00:50:49]>> 100%. Yeah. And also like the star athlete of the school and everyone loved him. And this is something that >> like this girl is trying to ruin his life, which we've seen play out in real life.

[00:50:57]>> And we know that happens all the time where like the woman gets accused of like ruining that poor lovely boy's life. And we find out that her parents are really the only ones who stood with her, lost a lot of money and like would lost jobs and everything because the town turned against them. So it's there's all these levels of trauma that came after her reporting the rape and it's all coming back to her in this moment of seeing his face. And Ella's acting is so good here. Like she's so good. And that's the thing of people being like when people were like getting upset about their age because when the show started filming, Ella is 18 and Belmont was 28.

[00:51:35]>> So there was a 10ear age gap and people were getting freaked out by that.

[00:51:38]>> I was a bit freaked out by that. You were?

[00:51:40]>> Yeah. I think it was not so much of like the biggest age gap, but I thought they were both in their late 20s. And when I found out she was 18, when she did these like big scenes, like these really huge dramatic scenes, I was a bit like, oh my god, it's like this 18-year-old girl like all these people who are much much older than her. But she has come out and said that she's always felt safe with Belmont. She's always felt safe with the car. She was always included. Like she never ever felt like this was a thing.

[00:52:08]>> 100%. And I don't know if maybe I'm just desensitized by knowing that watching so many shows growing up where like it's always a guy in his 30s making out with a woman on screen who's in like her 18 or 19 who's like in those like before she turns 20 kind of thing. Whereas I was like this is fine.

[00:52:24]>> It's fine.

[00:52:24]>> This is all the time.

[00:52:25]>> I know this is because we live in a world we watch like Tom Cruz and Brad Pit who are like in their 60s or about to be in their 60s make out with like women in their 30s and like that's just part it's not even part of the plot.

[00:52:35]It's just >> we're just like of course they are.

[00:52:36]>> That is what happens. So yeah. Maybe I should have been more eicked out by it, but I wasn't at all. And obviously, I would have changed my mind if I found out later on that she was uncomfortable.

[00:52:46]But yes, she had said so many times she felt so safe with him. And no one on the set knew that she was 18. The people who hired her did. The other actors, they all thought she was 25. And then when they found out she was 18, they were like, "What? Older."

[00:52:58]>> Um, so it's an interesting thing. Yeah.

[00:53:00]But yes, so this brings us to um when Garrett realizes who he's playing against.

[00:53:05]>> Yes. So Ella makes it to the game. Um she tells him that she has worked through it and she's here now. And then he starts playing really really well because like she's standing on the sidelines sidelines side ring >> side ring >> watching him. Then that rapist man clocks her realizes and then mentions to Garrett, I can't believe you're with that lying [ __ ] >> Yeah.

[00:53:28]>> And then Garrett realizes that he was her rapist and starts like blundering him.

[00:53:34]>> Beats the [ __ ] out of him.

[00:53:35]>> Yeah. The blood everywhere. which obviously then Hannah is really upset about and this is kind of a like a a hard thing to watch too because obviously like for her like there's so many layers here like she's seeing her rapist but she's also seeing this man that she felt so safe with and so happy with like almost like throw his life away and she's got this flashbacks of like I ruined my parents life now I'm ruining his life which obviously isn't true but that's what she's put on herself >> because he's like going to be suspended for the next few games at the same time also seeing a man who was like I don't want to be like my father like pretty much like nearly kills someone on the rink unprovoked and it's just like all of these things are like working in a head and then they have this huge blowout um in the car park after the game where he was like how was I not meant to do that like obviously he was saying this stuff about you and then she's like I didn't ask you to do it and it kind of like they're both in the right >> in that moment and I didn't expect that to be like a full breakup of them but it was because they were both felt safe in that situation and then they were both like thrown into this situation where >> they just felt like unsafe with each other and they just didn't understand each other in that moment and they had to separate to come back together. But I think what was the biggest thing for me watching that was when he goes back to hockey and he has to face his father who's been watching all the games and every game his dad watches he plays so badly and his dad was like I'm so proud of you for doing that. This is what hockey is all about. And that's when Garrett realizes like, "Oh my god, I never want to be like this."

[00:55:07]>> And he's like, that's when he's like, "I truly did the wrong thing cuz my dad thinks I did the right thing." Exactly.

[00:55:12]>> And then we see Garrett and Hannah go through the aftermath of their breakup and we have that scene where she's working in the diner and all the students come from Brier College come in and they're all just like, "I'm not hitting on you. I'm not trying to date you." And then she realizes that they all think that there's a hands-off policy on her that Garrett as like the big guy on campus has said no one touch her, no one go near her. which leads to one of the greatest scenes in the show where she storms into the locker room >> and dicks out.

[00:55:38]>> Dicks out and she's confronted with a scene.

[00:55:41]>> Yeah, we get a montage of pain.

[00:55:43]>> We see and so many different varieties and sizes and colors. It's very educational for the young girls watching, I do think. Again, no teen show that I ever watched. Like a boy didn't barely took their shirt off. I was like, the 16-year-olds watching this, it's like, WO.

[00:55:58]>> UM, but it's it's kind of played for last cuz it's so stupid in a way. And she's just like and then the only like >> and she gets so overwhelmed.

[00:56:05]>> She gets overwhelmed as you would be cuz everywhere she turns there's one, there's one, there's one, >> she's like yelling at him and she's like, "I can't do this because there's so many penises, right?

[00:56:12]>> There's so much out there." And also they all have towels within arms reach >> and they're like, "You're in our locker room."

[00:56:17]>> Yeah. And then Dean walks out just like thrilled >> that that someone is seeing his penis.

[00:56:22]Well done.

[00:56:23]>> It's like kind of like they have like this big blow up where Garrett's like, "I didn't do that. Like I would never do that to you." And Hannah's like, "Okay, okay, okay." Okay. And then that's when you kind of see like they are amicable with their split >> which is crazy cuz in the books he does do that.

[00:56:38]>> I was reading like he does say handsoff policy and she gets angry at him and the show creators said that they took that out and changed it. So they leave that plot in as a little a little nod to the book fans of like yes we know this happened but in this world in this TV world Garrett would never do that. And I've got to say I don't love it. I know it's just like I don't like when we sort of have to have characters like these but also like I don't know maybe maybe people couldn't have come back from that.

[00:57:10]>> I think I I think I would have struggled to come back from it only because it was in the second last episode. I feel like if this like story line of like the handsoff policy happened in the middle, it would have given the audience more grace to like kind of um accept him for doing that and forgive him for doing that. But I think it would have been really risky to do it in only like an episode and a half time.

[00:57:30]>> Yeah, I get that. That's why this needed to be 22 episodes cuz he needed to do it like midway through the season and then have like 20 episodes for it to like make up. But when I saw that, I was like, don't don't sanitize that. Don't water down. Let people be people do shitty things. That's what they do.

[00:57:44]Which again, skipping forward, leads us to the moment when Hannah and Garrett find their way back to each other. And the whole thing ends as I love shows and movies to end. Everything is solved via song when she gets up on stage and sings her heart out.

[00:57:59]>> Yeah. With so many musical instruments even though she ran over there with one notebook.

[00:58:03]>> She took I reckon she took Kendall spot.

[00:58:05]>> Oh, you think Kendall was You really invented >> Well, because she goes to her music teacher, David Deved, and she's like, "I know. I know. I don't like I'm not in the contest, but I just really I've managed to write my own lyrics. I really want to just perform this. I feel like I have to do this. And he's like, "Girl, I left a spot for you." It was someone's spot. It was Kendall's Kendall spot.

[00:58:24]Again, there's a there's an alternate story here where Kendall is at the back like her knuckles are white with rage and she's watching this woman who took her boyfriend. Also, again, there's no there's no no plot to suggest that Kendall's even in the music program, but I love your fanfiction.

[00:58:37]>> Well, because like up until then, she was not going to be in it. So he just had her name in the program and then what they would have just sat there in silence.

[00:58:43]>> Yeah. Skipped over her >> and she had so many musical instruments.

[00:58:46]She was doing the most up there.

[00:58:47]>> Play everything. And so she gets up and we have that montage of like where we see Garrett and Ally and John Logan and all the boys just be like there's it's like every It's that classic >> like Hannah's playing. We all have to go. We all >> It's that classic teen kind of movie TV show trope where like the camera also pans. So, it's like everything's been solved via song on stage. Plus, you pan to the audience, which was all our characters, and they're all being like healed and having this >> and they're all in the front row, even though they were there late.

[00:59:14]>> So, no one was in the front row allegedly. They kicked kicked out Kendall's family.

[00:59:18]>> Yeah. They're outside in the cold, but your fan fiction is wild for this. So, she comes second, but it's all it's all okay. And then they're at the diner partying when we have this final little twist because the showrunner said that they obviously knew they were going into season 2. They wanted to leave it on a cliffhanger and have some stakes, but the cliffhanger and stakes couldn't be with Hannah and Garrett because we're meant to know that they're in love and they're together now. And even though they're going to be in season two, we can't end on a will they won't be for their season. And so we have to have some drama with Ally and Dean.

[00:59:47]>> And the drama is is that they're all in the bar having a good time. Ally and Dean are like Dean confesses to Ally saying, "I really really like you." And Alli's like, "Dean, you have to finish the deal because I slept with someone, so you have to sleep with someone." And then in that moment, the someone she slept with walks in and Dean's like, "What is he doing here?" And Alli's like, "Who is that?" And Dean's like, >> "My enemy." And it's his other rich, privileged white boy who is like, "Then that's his enemy." Cuz they've grown up together. Exactly.

[01:00:19]>> Maybe there's some reason in the book where they're enemies. I don't know. I haven't read that book. But in this show, he was just like, "That's the other rich, crazy guy I grew up with."

[01:00:27]>> And then it ends.

[01:00:28]>> And then it ends.

[01:00:30]>> Season a good lead in for season two. I mean, look, I I loved Off Campus. And I don't I just want to say quickly that I don't want to sort of be a hater by saying that like I didn't feel the chemistry between them at the start and I felt the first kiss was a let down.

[01:00:41]It's not because I'm being a hater. I thought the show was bad. It's just like I hold young adult content to like a really really high standard.

[01:00:49]>> Leonardo DiCaprio level >> 100. I look at like I look at a show like off campus, I judge it with the same eye as I judge an Oscar winning movie. Like that is and that is how good they can be. So that's why when something doesn't hit the mark, it's I expect it to be perfect.

[01:01:04]>> Well, they still have a season to go.

[01:01:05]>> And I think they and I think there's going to they want to make every book.

[01:01:08]So there'll be multiple seasons. So I'm I'm just saying guys, stakes could not be higher.

[01:01:12]>> Ali and Dean, let's go. Well, thank you so much for joining us on the spill today. Please, if you love this episode, give us a fivestar rating and review. It helps us and it also makes our content so so good for you. Do not forget we have our morning dose of entertainment news at 7:00 a.m. on Monday morning and we will see you next week. Bye >> bye.