Divorces, Crimes of Passion & The Mind of a Killer with Dr. Drew

[00:00:09]Hello and welcome to Juicy Crimes. I have one of my favorites, Dr. Drew Pinsky is there's so much knowledge that you have and your opinions and so we are going to get into some crimes, but there's some things in our business of podcasting and things and marriage being that you've been married for how long now?

[00:00:28]>> Mine. Yes.

[00:00:29]>> 35 years coming up.

[00:00:31]>> 35. I'm 26. You have triplets.

[00:00:35]>> You just had a another triplet get married. Y, your beautiful daughter, Paulina.

[00:00:41]>> Um, >> and we have two grandkids.

[00:00:43]>> Yes. So, you just are just on >> your way cuz you have two boys and a girl.

[00:00:48]>> It never ends. Never ends.

[00:00:50]>> It never ends. And, uh, it's been way too long since I've been in here, I realize.

[00:00:54]>> Yes. And so I'm I'm excited to talk to you about a lot of things. You I want to get your opin on a lot of different kinds of things, >> but I am really shookth >> from the news >> that Tom Seagora and Christina Pazinski have been married 18 years. They have two kids. For those who are not familiar, they really are powerhouses in the comedy um podcast world. They were one of the first >> podcasts. Um Not Your Mom's House. Or is it your mom's house? your mom's house >> really was like one of those before everyone had a podcast, before I had a podcast that was really popping off. And it's honestly because of Tom Seagora that I actually made the call to start my own podcast.

[00:01:39]>> No kidding.

[00:01:39]>> I was at a comedy club in Texas, kind of what someone would describe as a B-room.

[00:01:45]Still good money, whatever.

[00:01:46]>> Chelsea lately had ended. I had a couple little pilots that one one aired for a little bit, didn't go. Another one aired, didn't go like for TLC, like whatever.

[00:01:56]>> Well, and by the way, we came out of television, so you didn't know other than television.

[00:02:00]>> We only knew that. Yeah.

[00:02:01]>> But I was hearing about podcast and I remember I was sitting in this tiny room. There was no green room. Like smelled like fried food. The guy's like writing me my check. And I see this poster of Tom Seagora that >> upholstery. Yeah.

[00:02:15]>> But it's so small this one. Right there is a poster of Tom Seagora and that he had come there whatever a couple weeks prior and I go oh you know I know his maybe they weren't married even then but I knew Christina >> because she worked at Chelsea lately for a little bit.

[00:02:34]>> She did?

[00:02:34]>> Yes. As a writer appeared on the show then as a writer.

[00:02:38]>> Interesting.

[00:02:38]>> And only then did I realize that we both went to Louisville my all girl Catholic high school which I thought was crazy.

[00:02:45]>> Oh that is crazy. She's she's like 5 years younger than I am. But >> I was like that's like the odds of that is so weird that we both went and says a lot I think about the school. But anyway, I know many of you have been thinking could I straighten my teeth? Is it too late? This is where smile set comes in. Over 2 million smiles have been fixed with this technology. My son Drake is very excited to get the smile set and just straighten out his smile.

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[00:03:33]So that were funny, you know, outspoken women, but I said, "Oh, that guy has a really popular podcast."

[00:03:41]and he goes, "Oh yeah, he can come here on a Tuesday night and make $10,000."

[00:03:45]And that that line was I was like, "Oh."

[00:03:49]And then like literally the next day I'm like, "I'm going to start a podcast."

[00:03:52]And at that time it was just really valuable because you know I was depending on that standup money and if people didn't come I wasn't going to get booked the next time. And >> and so they and then I had her come on my show.

[00:04:04]>> You had Christina on?

[00:04:05]>> Yes. Back when in the podcast one days and she was so great. Yeah.

[00:04:11]>> And she did tell me I was the only nice person at Chelsea, >> that I was nice to her. And she was really helpful, too. And like >> there were some other nice people. Maybe the only nice woman.

[00:04:22]>> Yeah.

[00:04:22]>> I don't know. She maybe it wasn't that, but she said I wanted I like she just it was it's nice to hear. So, you know, that that time they were doing the show together and and I said, "Oh, and if you you >> did the show together until April."

[00:04:35]>> Yeah. And I said this year. But Right.

[00:04:37]And I said, "If you ever need a guest," and she goes, "You know, >> our fans um don't appreciate when we have guests. They really just like the two of us." And I go, "Oh." And then she gave me some tips on like whatever what to do and and ads and this and that.

[00:04:52]>> And then, you know, then they really just blew up with their podcast company, several different podcasts. They both are great standups in their own right.

[00:05:01]>> You know, they have the two little boys >> and then I was there and then you were there. I was one guest that they the for some reason they did like mostly because they were abusing me I think it sort of making me uncomfortable and then Burke >> we were the two that that world kind of liked for a while. Yeah.

[00:05:18]>> So I was there for like four years >> and they lived down the street from me >> in Rita.

[00:05:22]>> No no no their actual house was in Woodland Hills when they had the Rita studio that was in Woodland Hills but then they did so well they moved to the Palisades but they >> and then they moved to Austin.

[00:05:32]>> Right. They were when they were in the studio, they were in the their studio was in their back garage essentially, right? That's in Woodland Hills. Yeah.

[00:05:40]The Woodland Hills house. Like that was like right around the corner for me.

[00:05:42]>> That was the first time I met them. And so you know it is shocking when you hear that a couple that's in entertainment and especially in this podcasting world which >> no let's stop away from entertainment >> because she adored Tom or does I still I'm miss we don't know what happened we don't know what happened >> say according so the TMZ article is they are separated >> headed to divorce okay it's not like trial separation they've been separated for by Every time somebody separates, it rarely >> if you're doing a separation, you're doing a divorce. Just get ready for that.

[00:06:20]>> Um it's it says, you know, after 18 years of marriage, it's got out through friends, which I think, you know, they've probably been like, "Okay, pull the trigger."

[00:06:28]>> Um it's been a couple months, but that it's amicable and that they're still going to do the podcast together.

[00:06:36]>> God, that's going to be hard.

[00:06:38]>> Now, listen, I always say there's no two marriages that are alike. There's no nobody knows.

[00:06:44]>> Well, they professionally, they admire I know how much they admire each other professionally so much.

[00:06:51]>> They really do. That is great. And that's kind of what breaks my heart a little bit because they >> they had such a they held each other in such high esteem.

[00:07:00]>> I mean, they said it's amicable and I almost feel like hopefully it is but maybe because they they did have such a good partnership.

[00:07:09]>> Yeah. Maybe romantically that had I'm just wondering maybe the romance had died off so long ago that they are okay.

[00:07:19]>> And let's remember all the shits Christina's going through with breast cancer. So she's that breast cancer survivor, right?

[00:07:25]>> And then then re reconstruction and then reconstruction complications and one thing I know she's been through a lot and she's very stoic. She's this Eastern European, you know, stoicism and u yeah.

[00:07:38]So, I don't know really what I feel so bad for her.

[00:07:40]>> I also think the hard part is, you know, they're not on a reality show, but they are on something, I think, more intense than a reality show because it's their own reality show and that they have been on the mics together >> for like I don't know how many years, seven years.

[00:08:00]>> No, I think it's been Oh, no. It's been like 15 years. I don't know how many years it's been, but it's certainly been they've had it longer than me than my podcast. And mine is all 11 years. So, it's it's at least 13 or 14. Okay.

[00:08:13]>> And I I the the world to me separates into pre-COVID and postcoid and it's like a freaking time machine. Like everything goes forward. That's six years ago.

[00:08:22]>> Yeah.

[00:08:23]>> It's hard to imagine.

[00:08:24]>> I know.

[00:08:25]>> Crazy. So, uh Yeah.

[00:08:28]>> I mean, there's so many So, I >> But here's the thing that got me. Uh, first of all, I'm I'm heartbroken for them. I hope they're okay. They're both I would call them good, if not Christina at least, dear friends. She and I did a podcast together for like a year.

[00:08:42]>> Mhm.

[00:08:42]>> You know, she came in on my podcast for a year to kind of connect it to your mom's house and it was a joy.

[00:08:49]By the way, quick aside before I complain. Uh, when I first saw the Mother Inferior special on Netflix with her, >> her stand special. Yeah. standup special. I just went that's a super bright woman and way more bright than she's letting on here and turned out went to Cambridge and she read all 12 books of s St. Thomas Aquinus and all this stuff was a philosophy major, you know, uh she enlightened me about Bro Bodard and all these different French philosophers. She just really smart and a good comedian.

[00:09:22]I don't dig what Page Six did with their podcast. Page six, is that it?

[00:09:28]>> This page six headline says, "Comedian Tom Sigora called cold as ice quote unquote Christina Pazinski in a so a sociopath a year before the split." So >> yeah, >> what I was trying to say is, you know, you've had a pod, they've had a podcast together for all these years >> and super fans or not, and certainly with AI, you could probably go through and be like, when has Tom ever said something disparagingly, joking or not to her and we'll make a headline out of it.

[00:09:56]>> Your mom's house, sorry. Your mom's house is about busting balls, >> right?

[00:10:03]>> That's the whole thing at your mom's house. They busted each other's chops non-stop. Mhm.

[00:10:08]>> And so to call somebody cold or remember what they called her her um breasts, >> no >> big sloppies, you know, and all this kind of just they just they give each other they're comedians. This is >> But do you wonder do you wonder though like you know um when I was on Chelsea lately it was, you know, a lot of just dissing and bullying the guests.

[00:10:33]>> Yes. And I do feel that you're backing yourself into a corner.

[00:10:38]Like eventually there's just nowhere to go with it. Like it becomes a thing. So I wonder if it is if we're just kind of analyzing it from outside, don't know anything that you get in this great this this riff that is profitable. So profitable. Yeah.

[00:10:55]>> And so enjoyable and you can do it from your home and and you really are friends and you're funny and you find each other funny and you make each other crack up.

[00:11:02]>> Yeah. But for a marriage, >> oh, >> to feel cherished and loved and respected, >> interesting.

[00:11:09]>> It's like that is hard.

[00:11:12]>> Okay. So, from a male standpoint, no problem. But I could see where a a wife, a woman would have a problem with it. I could see it.

[00:11:21]>> I >> because you have to it has to have some truth at the core. Even though you're amplifying it, you know, in some kind of crazy way, you have it has to have occurred to you. And my experience with my wife is that she'll feel it if it has any truth to it. And and if it's being funny non this non- comedians though, non- comedians do not like teasing females.

[00:11:48]>> And men like to tease. We like doing it.

[00:11:50]Yeah.

[00:11:50]>> And we like being teased. No problem.

[00:11:52]We're grew up with dudes teasing us. Um, but I could see where it could start to erode things.

[00:11:57]>> I mean, I think the biggest difference in that is just if you ever just get access to your man's group text with his friends and the jokes and the things that they say about each other, there's no there is no way this could work with women.

[00:12:14]>> No, >> that there they are you [ __ ] kidding me? You know, like and then they let that's the difference. It's a totally different dynamic. We grow we grow up on busting each other's balls.

[00:12:24]>> Yeah. And you forget and you get over it and you don't you're not like you know but then >> but women start to get build grudges and resentments.

[00:12:32]>> We just move on. We just go out with our buddies and do stuff.

[00:12:35]>> I think for the fans because I guess they just she just posted something from or the your mom's house just posted like a clip of something and it's her with a different co-host and >> is it Duncan Trussell?

[00:12:48]>> I don't it just po it just popped up but all the comments were like are we just not going to address this like you're not going to put out a podcast or a statement or anything and then other people were like well they probably did so they probably banked so many and you know in probably in a plan to like we've banked it till August 15th we can take some time to like whatever we're going to do um yeah it's true weird they're very thoughtful about that kind of thing so I I imagine that's >> Yeah and I think it's really hard for fans Um, whenever a couple breaks up, whether in the housewife world, Kyle and Mauricio, like those were like couple goals. So, as someone that wants to believe in marriage and see marriage, it's always very crushing when a celebrity couple breaks up and then you're like, but God, as the celebrity couple and especially with them where it's so much about that they're just, oh, this two just I love them together, you know, that they if they were thinking about this or one of them was thinking about they they must have been thinking like, how the [ __ ] do I get out of this? This isn't just a marriage with kids. This is like this whole thing and then what? And then when we go do standup, do we never talk about each other anymore or do we talk about it or how it's so much to manage? And then the fans are disappointed and don't the and the fans are like we deserve something and then there's part of them that's probably like no you don't.

[00:14:14]>> Yeah.

[00:14:14]>> Like we gave you, >> you know, 5,000 episodes over 15 years.

[00:14:19]Like leave some things you'll never know what the [ __ ] happened and you don't deserve to know. And I just am like I've like woken up in the middle of the night thinking about this. Like I'm just I don't know like we'll never I mean we'll never know until one of them is willing to really say what their journey was or when their aha moment was or when they decided >> you know what >> um I've got maybe 30 years left good years on this earth and I want to feel cherished and I want to feel special and I want to be [ __ ] and we hadn't had sex in five years. I we'll never we won't know until one of them tell us.

[00:14:52]>> Correct. Does that >> Yeah. A and uh the Tom is a different person than when we started all this when he started your mom's house, right?

[00:14:59]And comedy, he lost like >> I know they went from two bears in a cave to two Twinks in a closet. Who the [ __ ] knows what'll be the next podcast?

[00:15:06]I don't know. But they're both skinny.

[00:15:09]>> Are you predicting that Tom is going to announce that he's not heterosexual anymore?

[00:15:13]>> Do you know that Charlie Sheen is dating a man?

[00:15:15]>> No way.

[00:15:16]>> Yeah. A young man not in the business according to Yahoo. according to many many people.

[00:15:24]>> Good for him. I I >> I mean, Charlie and I had a really nice conversation last time I >> You never know. I mean, he he admitted that he had sex with men or some version.

[00:15:33]>> Oh, he's a full sex addict. Full real deal sex addict.

[00:15:37]>> Don't you think that No, I don't think he's I don't think that's it. I'm just saying. But like, of course, >> I'm looking for your instincts because he's waking you up in the middle of the night. You're very bothered by this.

[00:15:46]>> Sometimes I mean, here's the thing, you know?

[00:15:49]Divorce is very acceptable, especially in LA. You're around a lot of divorce people. If you listen, if someone isn't if you if it's not a religious thing, if it's not something that you truly think, >> no, here's my thing.

[00:16:03]>> I'm just saying everybody is different.

[00:16:04]And um >> there's two things. on my I'm >> there's some people that stay married and they're jeal like listen like I saw this and I was like sad and then I had like a little bit of a superiority where I'm like I can't believe I'm still making it and then there's like a little jealousy because I bet they'll both be happier in two years and be dating people that are really excited to see them come home at the end of the day and they're rich as [ __ ] and they're fine.

[00:16:31]They'll never know. Like I always thought it would make a great TV show, a scripted TV show to have it have it be like the I've always thought this would be a great show. Someone steal my idea because I'd love to see it, but it's like um it's like a couple's been married for 10 years.

[00:16:47]>> Yeah.

[00:16:47]>> And they the kids are about to go off to high school.

[00:16:50]>> Yeah.

[00:16:51]>> And they break up >> and every episode or half of the episode is is if they broke up, what's going on?

[00:16:57]The kids at the soccer game. Yeah.

[00:16:59]>> And the other half is they stay together. They're fighting. This is trouble. Da da d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d and then at the very end they it's the kids graduation and now they both are split up from their significant others and they're now empty nesters and they're like want to get lunch and they fall back in love. Like I'm just like you wonder like if you can go the [ __ ] marathon, can you be Lucy and Ricky babysitting your kid in the pool? Remember that video of Lucy and Ricky and they're like happy. Well, he's in the pool and she's >> laughing and they're talking or >> she loved him. Right. Right. And >> he was an alcoholic, sex addict, whatever.

[00:17:42]>> Cheated on her a lot.

[00:17:43]>> Yeah. And so she couldn't stay. She could have stayed. And these days we can treat people, you know, >> and she really had the utmost respect for him because she was the face and the star and she's like, "No, he's the genius. He did everything. He's the genius that he created the sitcom." And I just think with this when you're both the stars, you know, then we always see the star is born story, you know, where it's like that scenario where the girl becomes more famous. Then there's ones where >> it's the manager behind, you know, the the the star. And I think all scenarios are hard. I think any capacity working with your spouse is hard. and in this business, you know, although I I just was thinking the other day, I can't believe I can talk about being in this business because I I pushed it away for so many years just to do medicine. Uh but I have been doing it now for like certainly almost 20 years. I could say I've been in the business and the thing that I would say in addition to that because your point is absolutely correct on the way you've analyzed in terms of the different kinds of relationships that can be difficult to tease apart.

[00:18:49]You got to think about the family part.

[00:18:52]Okay, kids are prof children and by children I mean up to age 15, maybe 12. Divorce is an adverse childhood experience. You only need three before you start having really serious mental health issues, right?

[00:19:07]It's an adverse childhood experience.

[00:19:09]It's [ __ ] to go, "Oh, kids are so resilient. They seem happy now." Yeah.

[00:19:13]No. It's a wound they carry with them forever. So you want to at least try to get the kids through college ideally. I mean certainly through high school and so the fact that that is not happening is is very heartbreaking for me >> but they shouldn't feel guilty about it either.

[00:19:31]>> No because if if things are bad I mean >> things are bad >> and for all we know they've been trying treatment you know who knows >> and then the other statement could be shouldn't my sons have an example of a loving couple?

[00:19:43]>> [ __ ] That's >> I don't know. I disagree. Okay, let's say if >> it doesn't work like that. It just doesn't.

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[00:24:58]>> If if very young and you end up with a great steparent, okay, that that makes some sense. That will work that way. But 8 to 12, the kids, look, I I saw an 8-year-old say something amazing the other day. This woman was sitting him down and going, "Don't you want mommy to be happy?" And he goes, "Don't you want me to be happy? I want you to stay together."

[00:25:16]>> Yeah.

[00:25:17]>> Period. And he harbored that resentment his whole life. That's it. You I told you what I needed to be happy and you couldn't gut it out. That's how kids think at that age. Well, that's very I mean that's very hard too because you don't you're like you're like telling you're you're thinking I know my child can't see why I'm becoming a shell of myself >> and they want the family to stay together.

[00:25:43]>> They can't see it and I shouldn't explain it to them because they're eight and they're not a therapist. But at the same time, I think >> yeah, of course divorce is okay sometimes if you're not >> you deserve to have a good life, too.

[00:25:56]And we don't know if this really was mutual and amical. We don't know if one person was like, I might have been I will say whatever you want to tell the public. I will stand by you. But like I >> I don't I can't do this anymore. I'm not happy. I'm not like, you know, >> or whatever. I'm in a bad place.

[00:26:15]>> I get that.

[00:26:16]>> And listen, comedians and and people can turn it [ __ ] on every day. they can at least I can I can be going through a lot and it be hard and be like >> hello and welcome you know like >> you have to do it so for people to be shocked yeah they don't know what's going on at night they don't know what's going on 23 other hours they're not recording the podcast >> and I am not bringing up this issue on the kids to guilt anybody right espec if there's abuse get the [ __ ] get out get out get out but there there's that's what concerns me you you talked about the the business aspects concerning I'm talking about the impact on children and then you get people like me right where we're way on in this thing and you feel like you have a responsibility for the whole setup you got grandkids and you know you want to make everything work for everybody right >> it gets it's another layer of intensity I it's a new thing for me to feel that way like >> to be the grandpa >> to feel like you're you're the part of marriage is forming a life together, but then forming this thing we call a family and that keeps growing and you're at the head of it and it's like, hey, that's a real responsibility. Financially, I'm thinking about stuff all the time like how I get these kids through college and so you want to also >> show the grandkids the same thing you showed your kids. So, it's it's it's interesting that these different stages of marriage each have their own sort of >> challenges and frankly as I'm going to say it this way, reasons to work it out.

[00:27:54]>> Yeah. And you know, the other thing is everyone talks about brand brand. You know, I'm sure there was a com like well our brand is this and it's like well yeah but we've made enough money and we can our brand can be something else.

[00:28:06]Like >> I think it's also really brave >> not to be stuck in something that wasn't right for you because of the brand and the fans and all the other things that you're like, you know what, I'll >> I'm a creative person and I'll always be able to be creative whether I have a husband or an ex-husband or whatever.

[00:28:27]You know, >> agree. I agree. Let's talk about this.

[00:28:29]This is kind of interesting and I'm not it's not pertinent to them, >> but >> Oh, but you were saying this is not true. this article you were saying.

[00:28:35]>> She's not a sociopath. Of course not.

[00:28:37]But that's what I'm saying. He said something, right?

[00:28:40]>> Right. I read it and it was all the ball busting that they did every show. It's like you can keep going. There's all kinds of stuff.

[00:28:45]>> People are analyzing all of Yeah. Okay. So, sorry. What say zero?

[00:28:50]Whatever that is, that's a zero.

[00:28:51]>> I just distracted. You said, "Let's analyze this."

[00:28:53]>> Well, analyze I always feel like people's numbers should sort of match.

[00:28:59]>> What do you mean numbers?

[00:29:02]their attractiveness and status. Like if somebody's way over here, it causes trouble always or somebody's too in love with somebody else or you know what I mean? Somebody's too idealizing of the other person. You you there needs people always ask you how do you make it work?

[00:29:19]I've always felt like there was kind of a >> I don't know made the right match. You know what I mean? the numbers kind of matched and if somebody got away in one way or another and to be fair I have to keep up with Susan's physical number to motivates me to stay fit and stuff too but it's it's you have to kind of match or it it it creates tension. It it's it's real. You got I think people have to be realistic about that.

[00:29:45]>> Yeah. I mean well it's like too with you know >> and by the way so it does >> they match to me they match. He always did match, but maybe he thinks he doesn't match now he's lost all this weight or something.

[00:29:56]>> You know what I mean?

[00:29:56]>> Here she was the hotter of the two. I mean, when he was heavier. I couldn't I had no clue until I looked up today that he's only 47 and she's 50. I had no idea she was three years older than he. I thought he was like 57.

[00:30:12]>> Yeah, I would have said that.

[00:30:13]>> I I thought he was like Bert's age.

[00:30:15]>> Oh, Bert's 57.

[00:30:17]>> Is Bert not 5? I don't know if Bert was younger. How old is 54? Maybe he's 53.

[00:30:21]behaves like he's 12. You know what? I don't I'm not saying anyone looks that age. I just thought they were all and and I thought, you know, whatever. Who cares? It three year three years doesn't make any difference. Um >> but yeah, that's the other thing. The ompic divorce, you know, it's such a drastic thing and it's such a miracle drug that works and really is continuing to work. Like I've seen by the way for people out there I've seen some drastic complications everybody. So please be careful with that drug. Take it only as the highest you need. Don't go beyond that and for as short a period of time as you need. But but let's let's be careful here. I am not saying that people's attractiveness physically have to exactly it's not what I'm saying because there's many more things that go into attraction, right? But they have to kind of >> the enthusiasm for one another needs to match. I think that's the way to say it.

[00:31:16]So, you know how people always, you know, my grandmother always said, "Make sure he loves you a little more than you love him."

[00:31:22]>> A little more is fine, but a lot more that's going to be a problem.

[00:31:25]>> Right.

[00:31:25]>> Right. Then it then it's like a transactional marriage where or something or there's something that's not authentic to like we found each other and we you know, with them I absolutely think >> it was just a match made in heaven like probably from the beginning >> and that's why we're so [ __ ] up about it. But years and years go by and you just don't know where it where and the changes with the success and her health and then his health change in the other way and and just that you're dealing with two growing humans with different personalities. Raising kids can start a lot of fights >> where you don't agree about it on the same and then >> and then he's away all the time. He's on the road a lot. That screws a marriage up just by itself.

[00:32:11]>> Right. And there might have been something in that where she was like, "You don't have to do this anymore. We don't need the standup money. We have $100 million or whatever they have. We don't like so." And he's like, "I don't care. Like, I'm going to do what I You know what I mean? It could I love doing it."

[00:32:30]>> Yeah. We don't know what and you know do you know do I >> this is a much bigger conversation I expectation but we'll get into other things. Let's >> but you want to ask that last question.

[00:32:46]No, but I was going to say like um you know men and I know you're a wonderful father, but it is it is different between a father and a mother and >> what what is >> just how you're your tied to your children and like how it is >> and that's why it's fine that the key he's on the road all the time and there's very the mothers I know that did stand up >> it was either short weekends or the kid comes along or >> it's not, >> hey, I'll I'll call you once in a while.

[00:33:21]It's like it's just it just is different. And it doesn't mean that they can't be a good dad or don't love them.

[00:33:27]>> Cellularly, it's just different when they're when you're the mother.

[00:33:30]>> Literally cellularly. And we don't talk enough about it.

[00:33:33]>> Yeah.

[00:33:33]>> We just go, "Well, you should be able to do." It's like, no, they there's a feeling state, a motivational state that takes over and really drags you back to your kids always.

[00:33:44]>> Yeah. And we don't we have we have a half not even half of that.

[00:33:49]>> And that's the other thing if you feel that your partner isn't being a and I'm not saying this is the case with them but a parent that they are not respecting how they're parenting that can be a massive turnoff.

[00:34:01]>> Anything with parenting >> you know that you're not on the same page. It's a hard it's hard.

[00:34:05]>> So listen we both we love them both. We listen >> they're both so talented. They've done so much for this industry.

[00:34:11]I'm I get it with the fans, but the fans need to, you know, accept that everybody has a life and they don't owe they don't owe it to them to stay together.

[00:34:20]>> And hopefully they can hopefully it's it is friendly.

[00:34:24]>> They got that way when Nadav left, too.

[00:34:26]Nav was sort of a a figurehead, producer of the whole thing. Okay.

[00:34:30]>> And he left and they had a similar reaction.

[00:34:32]>> They do. I mean, so many times podcast uh fans, it's such a it's such a more intimate thing than anything else, than a reality star, than your local newscaster, than anything because we're in your ear and we're sharing about our lives and that's, you know, >> do you watch Love Island?

[00:34:50]>> I have not really watched it.

[00:34:51]>> What?

[00:34:52]>> It's just too young and I I just have too much to watch. But >> I understand why everyone is into it.

[00:34:59]>> I don't. But I I will watch just to kind of be up.

[00:35:03]>> I mean, I've seen some of it. I get it.

[00:35:05]I get what the hype is. I get why it's fun and why people watch it together and everything, but >> No. I mean, I'd rather watch something else.

[00:35:13]>> Sufferable, but that's kind of funny, too.

[00:35:15]>> Yeah. I mean, um, okay. I want to talk about this crime. I'm just going to fill you in about it.

[00:35:20]>> Okay.

[00:35:21]>> Um, it's a classic story of when the man kills the wife because she wants to leave >> as is. Barry. But yeah, Barry Morphw. He This happened in 2020. You might have heard of it.

[00:35:36]>> And it was he said, "My wife went for a bike ride on Mother's Day and didn't come home." They eventually found the bike. They couldn't find the bar body.

[00:35:47]He was the suspect. the two daughters that were like young adults or teenagers, they have continued to stay by their father's side, >> he they did find evidence that made him suspicious, but they then eventually found the body and there was um a chemical in her that was like a deer like deer um tranquilizers and things like that and he had a deer hunting license and he had access to it and also in his clothes from that day in the dryer there was a little needle cap.

[00:36:29]>> Oh, crazy.

[00:36:30]>> And they believe that he that she was already talking to somebody from like high school Facebook whatever rekindling and that she wanted to get divorced. And it was this the prosecution cuz his trial now is finally going to start in 27. Um is he in jail now?

[00:36:49]>> He is out. He is out on bail. The daughters still support him. However, the prosecution is going to have question both the daughters.

[00:36:58]>> Whatever happened to crimes of passion?

[00:37:00]>> This is a crime of passion.

[00:37:02]>> But you remember back in like the 60s and 70s they go, "Yeah, yeah, he killed his wife and she cheated. Okay, next."

[00:37:09]>> Like it used to be way dismissed. It's crazy how they used >> to apparently there was some evidence that she said that she wanted a divorce or something and he just wasn't >> going to allow that to happen.

[00:37:20]>> So said I want a divorce is not triggering you typically the male rage gene men become insanely angry with cheating.

[00:37:35]That's when they lose their mind. Uh the divorce part is sort of yeah sure and there could in the middle of a horrible divorce people kill each other right but the I want a divorce part I don't think of it as normally triggering murderous rage so I'm wondering is there any other evidence of her carrying on in any other way?

[00:38:01]>> Um no I mean I think he knew that she was talking to somebody talking to somebody.

[00:38:06]Maybe she was seeing Yeah. Maybe there >> talking to somebody won't do it. You need a little more. Little more.

[00:38:11]>> And you know, I wonder if you know, when women do start to step out of the marriage before you've officially filed, you know, do they ever think that the man would be like, "Oh my god, can't believe that you like found love with another man. It must be my fault." I don't think they that ever happens. But you you want I think there's women that think, "Well, you treated me so badly.

[00:38:34]Of course I found something.

[00:38:35]>> No, listen listen.

[00:38:36]>> The when a woman finds out a man is cheating, their first question is, "Do you love her?"

[00:38:42]>> The man's first question is, "Did the a penis pass a plane?" Plane around the mouth, plane of the vagina, did it pass through a plane?

[00:38:51]>> Did you did you have a full full >> was there a sexual act? And that's it.

[00:38:56]That's the totality of what the man's focused on.

[00:38:59]>> That's so interesting. And women will kind of look past the sexual piece and go, "But do you love her? Do you love her?" You know, right?

[00:39:08]>> Yeah, that's so true. And why do you think that is?

[00:39:11]>> It's our It's our It's the environment of evolutionary adaptedness.

[00:39:16]>> Yeah.

[00:39:16]>> Right. Women adapted in such a way as to retain resources. And mate poaching with a new relationship was more threatening than mate poaching with sex because they knew that men could move off of that.

[00:39:32]>> Well, if it's a love attachment, they know there's something more there.

[00:39:35]>> For men throughout human history, they had to be able to be sure of paternity because they were going to invest so much time and energy into the child. If it's somebody some other genes created that child, why the [ __ ] am I doing all this?

[00:39:52]>> Yeah.

[00:39:53]>> And it's it's all the way back to our grade A paradig that that kind of thing goes on.

[00:39:59]>> Yeah. Um Yeah. It's just such a classic thing that these men go to that level that they've never done a crime in their life. They they probably I'm going to bet the majority of them don't even know they could do that.

[00:40:17]And and the other interesting thing is men also have a similar rage towards the male because they know the male knows what this means and what this does. They know the the aggression that triggers and so it uh it's always it always goes out to everybody. So, >> and do you think that um >> with these men that kill their wives um some are crime of passion in that there it's not premeditated. It's just what did you do and they strangle them >> still.

[00:40:51]>> And then there's some that there's planning well even in >> talk about male toxicity. This is where we should be focusing our energy because this is something in us that is not good.

[00:40:59]>> Not good. And that in that like there's the crime and passion and then do you think that there when people do kill their spouse the mother or father their child where women do it too and plan it out >> I always think about the criminal's brain when they then had left let led a exemplatory life before and after but there's this thing that they did the secret they killed someone or they're participating in killing how does like compartment do you believe that people compartmentalally Yes. Okay. You That's an interesting word, right? But people that compartmentalize are not normal necessarily, right?

[00:41:40]They're already kind of able to do that and they can dismiss. They can be in one place. I'm a normal person. I have ethics and standards and then go, but right now I'm over here and now a murderous [ __ ] and and they can they don't have to reconcile them because it's almost like they don't communicate those different compartments, >> right? It happens a lot way more than people realize that kind of thing. It's not a good thing.

[00:42:07]>> It it allows it it's how people are able to do bad [ __ ] >> And do they also like justify it like >> they might I'll find another husband and that'll play baseball with my sons and it'll be okay. And they will they will minimize and but really they're just away from it. But even when they think about it, it'll be justified. You know, there'll be resentments or whatever that they build a case against the husband in their mind.

[00:42:34]>> Yeah.

[00:42:35]>> Or their wife, whatever it might be.

[00:42:37]>> Yeah. Men men are probably more likely to do that than women compartmentalizing and the and the particularly the aggressive stuff. Um but women are quite capable of it and and when they do it often it involves a lot of uh intrigue >> secrecy. I mean part of it is just you know and sometimes there isn't another person and it's just I don't want to split up the assets. I don't want to split up the assets. I also think men I saw this somewhere and I think it's so true that there there is an image with other men >> that I have the wife, I have the kids, I have the house.

[00:43:17]>> And I've heard also it's like very rare that the man will file for divorce first unless they have a girlfriend lined up. Like they will just stay in it. They will stay in like a miserable thing. it's the woman that files more or if it's the man, it's because he's got a girlfriend.

[00:43:35]>> Well, men do feel a sense of duty and purpose and want to, you know, they they really feel that deeply and and be accountable for what they do. But yeah, the one thing I've noticed over and over again is when somebody's I'm unhappy, I'm unhappy, and I'm happy. Oop, I'm out. That day that they go, I'm out.

[00:43:53]It's because there's a there's a girlfriend. There's somebody else that they either said I loved you to him or to her. He said her or something.

[00:43:59]>> Yeah.

[00:44:00]>> They just Oh, that's it.

[00:44:02]>> And always, in my experience, there somebody else. Somebody else that they're jumping to.

[00:44:08]>> Yeah.

[00:44:08]>> Not just somebody they're hanging out with, somebody they're they're on their way with.

[00:44:12]>> And I think what's different is when it's just a boyfriend or girlfriend or just a lover that chose someone else over you, versus a long marriage that again, it's the house, it's the friends, it's the the community, the it's the image. Yeah. And then that's just like ripped from you. Like >> I oftenimes bring up the Betty Brick.

[00:44:35]You know who Betty Brderick is? She is the woman.

[00:44:38]>> San Diego.

[00:44:38]>> Yes. San Diego woman.

[00:44:40]>> Yeah. That was crazy.

[00:44:41]>> Killed her ex-husband and his new wife in bed. She just died in prison.

[00:44:48]>> But but she was by the way the story is told was driven insane by his behavior.

[00:44:54]>> Yes. But when you really analyzed it, >> she was already insane. No, but there was like so much time.

[00:45:00]It's like when you when you just see the surface, but when you really analyze like yes, he was, you know, he was awful and he got the good attorneys and she was without good legal help, but she still got a a good amount of money, had a house. And the night that she the night before she woke up in the morning to go kill them, she had had a dinner party at her house with her boyfriend.

[00:45:27]>> So crazy.

[00:45:28]>> So it wasn't like and they and they'd already gotten married and like you know and so it was just >> but it was like some people I don't think can ever like >> let go of what was and that someone replaced them. And that's why I think that is such a classic >> story of of true crime and crime of passion of Betty Broad because as a woman you're like >> how would I feel if a younger blonde version just stepped into the world that I built like she put him through school.

[00:45:59]>> What does that do? What does that do for a woman? What is that experience?

[00:46:02]>> I think it's horrible.

[00:46:04]>> I mean is it resentment? Is it rage?

[00:46:06]What what is the feeling? I mean, I think it would take a very healthy woman to go, she could have him and she's going to realize that, you know, I'll wait for when she cheats on him and divorces him.

[00:46:17]I think that takes a >> a pretty healthy woman to like look on the bright side and then >> three years later, can you go, thank goodness I'm out.

[00:46:25]>> Yeah. I think there's a lot of women that are like, "Oh my god, thank God you Thank God he had an affair with you. I would have been stuck with him forever and now you're going to be stuck with him." You know, like I do think there's that, but >> I think that's usually that's I think that's usually the case. Yeah. When people get out of a divorce, out of a marriage, they look back and they go, "Oh, no wonder. I I couldn't see it when I was in it, but now, okay, I'm much happier."

[00:46:49]>> But let's talk about the people that do these crimes, right?

[00:46:52]>> Right.

[00:46:53]>> I I don't want to give the impression explaining why these things are happening on a feeling level. I don't want to give the impression that these people are normal because you you you know what I mean?

[00:47:05]Brick, not normal, right? This guy, I don't know what it is. I don't not normal. And and the not normal >> typically goes into either drugs and alcohol. They're [ __ ] up and they go do these things where they can't control themselves or uh sort of blacking out, raging out, reading out, which is childhood trauma stuff, dissociation, where people can get violent in these dissociative states where they don't really don't know what they're doing.

[00:47:31]>> They need Now, I'm not saying they shouldn't be held accountable. should be, but they they go into these states where it's again not it's kind of a compartmentalization, but it's a it's an altered state they're in.

[00:47:41]>> Yeah.

[00:47:42]>> And then there's sociopathy and psychopathy.

[00:47:47]They're not that uncommon.

[00:47:48]>> Yeah.

[00:47:49]>> There's a lot of that out there. We dismiss it.

[00:47:52]>> Um so this was this No, this was her. So then this one is the classic uh of Scott Peterson. Yeah. There is a neverbeforeseen evidence in a like new documentary coming out, >> okay, >> about Scott Peterson's innocence to remind people he is the one that killed that was convicted >> Yeah.

[00:48:16]>> of killing his pregnant wife Lacy >> um on Christmas Eve in Modesta, California like 22 years ago or more than that. I heard rumors of her hanging out with convicts or something and there's something happened right before they went out on the boat. Something something something. There's a lot of weird stuff flying around.

[00:48:35]>> I mean, people get so mad when I ever bring up some of the stuff that the that >> is out there >> is out there in the defense.

[00:48:43]>> In the defense.

[00:48:45]>> And recently I just watched Gone Girl again. Did you ever see the movie Gone Girl? It's uh it's available on Netflix and it was a fictional movie based on a book fictional book which was really based on this. The writer saw this and it was like what if a a woman again faked her own kidnapping and in watching it I was like oh my god this Sherry Pini definitely this is very Sherry Pini. Do you remember Sher Pini? She faked her own kidnapping um and then came back right before Thanksgiving and she lived in like Reading or where I forgot and it she was staying with >> so crazy >> with her exboyfriend.

[00:49:31]She like went with her ex-boyfriend. She did time because they realized it was a fake kidnapping. She's come on my show and I had her I kind of was like very gentle with her story because she's a guest on my show. Yeah, you have to treat guests like guests. I know people get all pissed about that.

[00:49:50]>> Yeah. And and so but I was asking the questions and I there were things about her case >> and and I still have questions and I do think that she I do think she planned the kidnapping, but then maybe was with this weird guy who then got scared and they it went on longer and then she was like, I need to come back. I weird. I I must have known I was coming on this show today or that in my sleep. I I had a dream in the middle of the night that friends of mine killed somebody on my behalf or something and then killed everybody that was involved around that person. It was the I woke up with this immense guilt. Like I was like, "Oh my god, I got to tell I got to tell the cops. Oh, I can't. Oh my god." It was the weirdest dream I probably the weirdest one I've ever had >> in that kind of thing.

[00:50:35]>> Wait, I want to ask you about dreams.

[00:50:36]But first I just but but but the Sher Pini thing in watching Gone Girl again because it's been a long time. I was like, "Oh, this is very similar >> to what Sher Pini went through." And she literally >> in the movie Gone Girl, she comes back like 25 days later and that's literally when Sher Pini came back. She was gone for like three weeks.

[00:51:02]>> Wow.

[00:51:03]>> Three or four weeks.

[00:51:04]and then and suddenly comes back.

[00:51:07]>> Did you learn anything talking to her?

[00:51:11]>> Yeah, it was she would do that thing that I thought was really interesting where you and I I don't know if you've ever like hadn't interviewed someone or you I mean where she acts like you like you guys have been best friends for years.

[00:51:25]>> Oh yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:26]>> Is that like a weird personality trait where they use your name all the time and you're like where she's like >> you know Heather. You know, Heather, when we're trying to impress a guy, we do this and >> it it's it's trying to create an ally and that's different things. It could be but but people do that and and they take sort of proprietary privilege over you in the process. It feels weird when they do it.

[00:51:48]>> Yeah, it was it was interesting. But with the Scott Peterson, I mean, I will be watching because >> um in the Gone Girl when she goes missing, >> he's he is having an affair. The character played by Ben Affleck. And he's like, and he says, >> "Was I not that sad when she went missing?" No, I wasn't like I I was ready to divorce her that day. Like I [ __ ] hated her. M >> and I always think like I mean there's so much there was a lot of evidence of Scop, but I'm always thinking well I mean maybe he came home and it like I mean there there's people walking the earth right now that if they got a call that their spouse was killed they could tell themselves I I wouldn't be that sad. So it's like you don't know.

[00:52:35]>> Yeah. Someone told me right before the case went to trial. They presented some of this stuff to me and they they were just saying, "How would you feel if you knew this? How would you feel if you knew that? Could you convict them if you knew this?" And I was like, "No, if that's all factually represented, if you can get that into court and it's substantiated, no, I couldn't I couldn't convict him." That was me just listening to stuff that may or may not be true >> about Scott.

[00:53:01]>> About Scott.

[00:53:03]>> Yeah. There's the things that I that always have stuck with me is like maybe not is that there was like one or two other pregnant women >> that went missing in the area.

[00:53:16]There were they wondered if they were like trying to do some weird like cult thing with pregnant women.

[00:53:22]>> Most of the stuff I heard also was about her behavior which was maybe not good.

[00:53:28]What was tell me against >> cheating and hanging out with the you know CD group and stuff that kind of thing >> as a pregnant woman so hard that's what I said that's what I said >> I do think >> but if you're pissed at your husband that pissed I I don't know >> I I these are the two this is my two scenarios >> if he did it okay I think that she found out that he was cheating I think she knew he probably cheated before and this was like the final straw M >> and she was like, "You are going to [ __ ] pay for this kid and me for the rest of your life. You're going to have to be selling this manure cuz he's like >> forever. You're never going to have fun.

[00:54:10]You're not going to golf. You're And I think he just raged and like strangled her like on a bed >> and then wrapped her up." Wait, I'm just telling you my scenario. This is one scenario.

[00:54:20]>> So [ __ ] up.

[00:54:21]>> Then wrapped her up in in a thing, took her on the boat and did the whole boat thing the next day. Okay, that's like the one they think cuz there was no blood or any evidence.

[00:54:30]>> Yeah.

[00:54:30]>> The other one is he really did leave for the day.

[00:54:35]>> She really did go walking the dog. She saw the crime happening across across the street, which is there was a big discrepancy >> whether it happened that morning or the next day. And they're like, "It couldn't have happened the next day because the cops were there were too much going on at the house the next day." So if it happened the day of the crime, she went across. She she from what I was told I know someone that was at their country club and she would call them the fighting couple that she was like little and would be like yelling at him. So I think >> I heard they were peculiar.

[00:55:06]>> Yeah. So I think she could they could have seen she could have tried to go what the [ __ ] are you guys doing with her? And they like took her and then either inadvertently killed her or meant to kill her >> and really did throw her in in the lake or in the in the ocean >> before or after. They could have they could have held her for a long time and then and they think so the defense thinks that's kind of what happened.

[00:55:33]something like that. And then they realized they had her or they couldn't return her or they already had killed her and then they put it in because it was all over the news where he where he fished that day and then they dumped the body there >> and then you know a couple months later it came to the surface.

[00:55:52]That's the that's the new I think the new bombshell evidence. But that wouldn't be new because that's already been in there's already been like four documentaries or 48 hour mysteries or whatever where they've brought up these other scenarios.

[00:56:05]>> Are we in agreement there's the there's a high probability he did this?

[00:56:09]>> Very high.

[00:56:10]>> Okay.

[00:56:11]>> High. I mean he got rid of his porn that I mean he reinstated his porn the first day she went missing.

[00:56:17]>> Yeah.

[00:56:18]>> So why would you pay for the whole month of cable if she was just had a broken ankle?

[00:56:25]>> Reinstated the poor. That's so funny.

[00:56:27]>> I always thought that was like the most telling of it all. If you really thought that she was just like either kidnapped or like twisted her ankle down a river, you wouldn't call and say, "Can I have my porn channel back?" No, I do. I mean, I think he did it. And I think that's why he just like I I I mean, I don't know. I'm kind of surprised he hasn't like >> I don't know that he has like a bunch of girlfriends or anything. You'd think that a criminal like that probably would that he would get married. They always get married to somebody >> with women. What is wrong?

[00:57:01]>> I know. But like if the Menendez brother, they've been married a bunch of times. Like I'm kind of surprised that like he hasn't.

[00:57:07]>> I heard he's just like very thin and just like just keeps like just is whatever. He's not It's like >> he he's >> I feel like he's just accepted it. Like I think he did it and he me personally if I was to bet >> Yeah. and find out in heaven. I think he did it and I think he's accepted it. But hey, of course I'm Who's going to not try to get out?

[00:57:29]>> That's kind of the way he's behaving.

[00:57:31]>> Yeah. Like why wouldn't you try? If god forbid you could be out and in the next 20 years like live a free life, of course you're not. You're going to say, "Yeah."

[00:57:38]>> Yep.

[00:57:39]>> You know, um >> it's weird that his sister-in-law >> his sister-in-law is the one that's been like spearheading this whole thing, >> trying to exonerate him.

[00:57:51]>> Yes. his brother's wife.

[00:57:52]>> Oh, his brother's I thought you meant his her sister.

[00:57:54]>> No, his brother's wife.

[00:57:56]>> Oh, >> it's been like her. She's been doing this for like 20 years.

[00:57:59]>> You did a great interview for you.

[00:58:01]>> Oh, I've reached out. I've tried. I've tried because I feel like I've Okay, now this story >> I don't know if you're familiar.

[00:58:08]>> No, >> of course they make a big deal because she was an Only Fans model, but her name is Courtney Clenny. This happened many years ago, like over three years ago.

[00:58:19]She has been held behind bars this whole time.

[00:58:23]Um, they seem to do well. He did something in like crypto money, but they had a reputation of being a loud fighting couple like and there was neighbors from their one place.

[00:58:35]>> Let's call that domestic abuse. Yes. And the night that he died, she said he was abusing her and she threw a knife at him and it hit an artery and he died.

[00:58:50]They I mean it's not darts. It wouldn't have gone in like right. That's what she said. That's what she said. She threw it. They in the autopsy they said no. It would have been a downward like with some pressure >> either way.

[00:59:06]And but she has claimed that she was a victim of domestic abuse this whole time. Okay.

[00:59:12]>> She has, you know, um >> that's just mitigating circumstances after she's convicted that can prevent her from having to face the death penalty essentially.

[00:59:21]>> Oh, >> right.

[00:59:22]>> Well, I mean, she's trying to say she's innocent, that it was self-defense. They did not let her out.

[00:59:28]>> Throwing a knife does not sound like self-defense, and stabbing does not sound like self-defense, >> right?

[00:59:34]>> Neither. Neither sound like self-defense. Now, she may have been defending herself, but they have a dead person on their hands here. And what do they and how badly was she hurt?

[00:59:44]>> You know, >> you know, I think just because she, you know, here she here there's a photo of her blonde blonde only fans and now she's been in jail for three years. She doesn't have the Yeah. She doesn't have the blonde hair. She doesn't have the Botox.

[00:59:56]>> Um and but you know this what sells the clickbait and everything. What helps these crime headlines is only fans model >> killed this guy, >> right?

[01:00:11]>> It's like if this was if she just worked at, you know, Trader Joe's um checker >> said that, you know, she was it would never nobody would be talking about it.

[01:00:22]>> It's one of the things that drives me crazy about the press today.

[01:00:26]>> Mhm. that it it the headlining sort of brainwashing is so pathetic.

[01:00:35]>> Yeah.

[01:00:35]>> Right. I mean it's like we're doing with the cycllospora outbreak. People are talking pandemic immigrant. No. No. You shouldn't even be talking about it. Should we even be talking? Should this even been in the press? You know, the New York Post.

[01:00:49]Should they be cover? I mean, I like I know that people like murder. Well, I think well I mean I think what's interesting about it is that um you know that it that it does sound like she from from the evidence they have it does sound like there was domestic abuse >> for sure >> and maybe it was on both sides. Maybe she also like hit him. Whatever >> and what happened that night and I definitely don't think she intended on killing him.

[01:01:18]>> A couple of drinks and that takes it into weird territory. very easily and but that's not a defense for killing someone.

[01:01:25]>> And then when you're Yeah. And then when your look changes so much because you've been in prison for three years, >> does that help your defense?

[01:01:33]>> Sure.

[01:01:33]>> You know, it's like that you're not this big lipped blonde like you know ritzy looking but >> not trying to impress. I'm this sad woman. I'm just an average brown.

[01:01:42]>> I mean she wants to get you know obviously she'd like to be home with her parents during this time.

[01:01:48]>> What time? And then during the time of this three years like you know she's waiting trial for three years like in >> and she you know um >> but she'll be given you know time spent and all that kind of stuff when the >> I don't know and then and then the parents like there was a lot with the parents and that they've gotten their text messages and they were um trying you know maybe might be some what do you call it hiding evidence or whatever they go they wanted to get like she took his laptop and then she either like we have the laptop and I also don't blame parents for doing all they can if they think their daughter was in a horrible relationship and then this happened and to try to help to try to help to protect. I mean, how far would you go?

[01:02:34]>> That's a very common thing. The parents step in and do stuff happens routinely, I'd say.

[01:02:40]>> Yeah, >> I've seen cases like that. And they the kid will sometimes keep the parents out of like don't ask questions, just get rid of this, >> you know, or I just need money. Don't ask questions. And they do it, >> right?

[01:02:52]>> That's kind of how it goes typically.

[01:02:55]>> Yeah. So that was this one. This girl's waiting >> more.

[01:02:59]>> Well, we don't have to talk about anything more.

[01:03:01]>> You >> I want to talk about this this really quick.

[01:03:04]>> Okay.

[01:03:04]>> Cuz this I just want to talk about this one thing. This girl Jen on the end, she posted over the weekend that this blonde run right here, >> this blonde one over, this one right here.

[01:03:19]>> Yeah. Okay.

[01:03:19]>> She's been on the show a couple years.

[01:03:21]She has five kids.

[01:03:23]>> Okay.

[01:03:23]>> And she said her post goes up. TMZ picks it up and she said, um, it is true. It was my son was one of the boys that started the Lindera Ranch fire. some fire started. Nobody was killed. No homes were really burned. But she's like, you know, the police and the fire department have been great. He's going to be in a lot of trouble. He's going to have to go through all this. And I wanted to kind of ask you like with young boys like that, I I think in doing the math, I think it's her youngest child who'd be like 13. I don't think it's the 17-y old. I think it's like the 13-y old because I think >> I don't know. I think we would know. M >> um what is it about that age that like Lord of the Flies age of boys that would be like >> you go along with something bad?

[01:04:16]>> Well, there's there's sort of several layers.

[01:04:20]One is they're their testosterone is just turning on. They don't know what the hell's going on. They just feel aggressive and all these feelings they can't even they don't just every day something new is popping off. Then the male peers become the most important thing in their life. Being a part of the the club, being part of the group, being esteemed by them. And they start trying to do things that show their genetic sort of um superiority, for lack of a better word, like you know, jackass stuff, right? Stupid stuff.

[01:04:56]>> Now, preoccupation with fire is a different thing, right? If he's preoccupied with fire, that that's a bad sign. that's sort of like in the zone nearly the zone of just torturing animals when they're younger.

[01:05:08]>> Those things kind of go together a little bit.

[01:05:11]>> So if if the fire thing was on a dare and he just an idiot, but if he had fire history like messing with it, I worry about what that who that kid is.

[01:05:23]>> Yeah. Yeah. That is so It's the fire thing is so bizarre. I remember hearing a crime. You might remember this crime.

[01:05:31]It was this fire like this fire chief this like fireman fire chief >> Oh yeah.

[01:05:38]>> had started all these fires in like Glendale and Pasadena and >> and then he would like go there and >> he'd show up at the fires and stuff.

[01:05:47]Yeah.

[01:05:48]>> And um what a nightmare.

[01:05:50]>> Like I remember like hearing a podcast about it where it was the daughter who it was her account of like what was going you know >> turned it in. No, that she did. Just her point of view of knowing that your dad did that. Oh yeah. When he was seen as such a hero. Yeah. And what is that when you you almost I thought that was so bizarre that like here you were this fireman and then like how did you decide >> like one day I like being the hero and I'm going to start this fire?

[01:06:20]>> I Yeah. I mean I don't know. There could be, you know, somebody that's preoccupied with with fire things, which because he's a fireman and he likes setting fire and stuff. So that's already suggest he's in the psychopathic zone. And maybe he wasn't getting enough attention. He wanted to feel better about himself. So I'll just I'm I'm the chief man. I'm going to save people. Not enough fires. Let's go. Let's go create a little action here. They're they're one of the things that people like that have is a um they need to feel something all the time. They they feel empty and and just they they can't they don't feel normally because they don't even have emotions typically. So they need the they need the excitement, the dopamine.

[01:07:00]>> Yeah, I could see that.

[01:07:02]>> Wow.

[01:07:02]>> It's that's in the psychopathic zone.

[01:07:06]>> Well, tell everybody I I know you have so many shows and you also have a lot of products and things that you um >> get behind.

[01:07:16]>> Yes.

[01:07:17]>> Maybe.

[01:07:17]>> Tell me what you how people can find more of Dr. Yeah, go to the ask Dr. Drew. Follow me on on X Dr. Dw Instagram Dr. Drew Pinsky P I N SK Y and then we do a show a streaming show on Tuesday and Thursday at 2 Pacific and Wednesday at 4. And uh that's been a really interesting show interviewing lot. It started as a show where I was interviewing doctors that have been cancelled >> because I was like Jay Bodacharia I know him to be a great guy. What what happened there? Let me interview him.

[01:07:48]see what's up. So, turned out it was a bunch of [ __ ] and everyone was canceled for everything for just daring to say, "Should we be locking kids out of school for two years? That's a bad idea." Cancelled.

[01:08:00]>> Yeah. And that's also really interesting to kind of see what I think that really had lasting effect on a certain age group of >> Oh, I I announced it. You see, if it's the age group you're saying, I said it when it started. I said, "We're going to destroy 8 to 15 year olds." 8 to 15 year olds, if this goes on for 2, three years, is going to destroy them. They need their peers at those ages.

[01:08:26]Certainly 10 to maybe 17 even. They just have to be around their peers and they have to have education. And there are windows you have to hit of cognitive development. If you miss, it's you're [ __ ] out of luck after that. So, >> yeah, >> it was a terrible thing and predictably terrible. And there's all this data that maybe I want to interview this woman.

[01:08:47]She's a friend of mine, psychologist, lawyer who was studying sort of sexing and porn exposure during the homeschooling >> out of control. The crazy escalation.

[01:08:59]>> Yeah, it's so st it's I mean I think it'll be interesting to see all the docs on that to come forward like >> that. And then by the way, now this is not some make people the there's been an increase in aortic dissections.

[01:09:14]>> What is that?

[01:09:15]>> That's what killed Lindsey Graham.

[01:09:17]>> What is that?

[01:09:18]>> It's it's a tear in the inner lining of the aorta. And there's no way to predict it. There's no way to screen for it.

[01:09:25]It's not an aortic aneurysm, which is an enlargement of the aorta that you can screen for. And enlargement does not predict dissection. Dissection is sort of it I'd seen two in my whole career.

[01:09:36]I've seen a dozen in the last few years and so something is up with that and I don't know if that's COVID vaccine. I don't know what but I worry about it. I think I think when we know spike protein damages the lining of arteries so it fits with the pathology but does it also fit with what the vaccine produced? I I don't know. But no one's asking the questions because it could imply vaccine. So you're not even allowed to ask. We're still in that state. We're still in that era.

[01:10:04]>> Crazy. Super. You're not even allowed to to report that dissections are up.

[01:10:09]People will argue that down >> over Yeah.

[01:10:11]>> Yeah. But I've definitely seen it. I mean, it's one practitioner, but you know, two in a career and then 12 in five years.

[01:10:20]>> Yeah. Well, D, Dr. Drew, I love having you come on. We covered so many things and we did. My god.

[01:10:26]>> I just just it's interesting to talk to you about, you know, the psychology behind what do relationships. I still have such positive feelings about when we used to read your your brother's letters back in the day.

[01:10:41]>> Oh, you know, he's gone.

[01:10:42]>> I know. But it was so interesting. It was really really interesting.

[01:10:46]>> It is interesting. I >> I thought you were very magnanimous. You were very even about it all and you did the best you could.

[01:10:54]>> Yeah.

[01:10:54]>> Yeah.

[01:10:55]>> And I I haven't revisited any of that, you know, like in so long. Uh it's on my Patreon from way back when. But um >> it was fascinating.

[01:11:05]>> Fascinating.

[01:11:07]>> Yeah, it was. And it was just a dynamic of my childhood and life. Yeah.

[01:11:13]>> And everybody like that's the thing.

[01:11:15]It's just like everybody has a different dynamic of what makes them who they are today. And that's >> genetic involved too. They're gen some people have these makeups. We're talking about the psychopath. That's a genetic thing.

[01:11:28]>> Yeah. Well, thank you so much everybody.

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