Fromal Hearing Disobey Traffic Control Device 3B District Court June 4, 2026

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[00:00:31]Good morning everyone. Today's Thursday. It feels like a Friday. It's another beautiful sunny day here.

[00:00:40]Josh Patterson has the arrangements of the elected to do the small courtroom.

[00:00:46]I'll be using uh this courtroom. Good morning.

[00:00:50]uh for our formal hearing which is set for 9:00.

[00:00:56]>> Good morning. Go ahead and have a seat.

[00:01:02]We're just getting things set up here.

[00:01:07]Then I have a probation violation hearing at 9:30 how long our first hearing will take place.

[00:01:15]Then I have a PO hearing which we don't live stream those and then we have final pre-trials this afternoon. So fairly full day I haven't been meeting that much. Yesterday's song of the day our shared moment of humanity was a song that you didn't recognize from the word but everybody knew the song and to forget how good Whitney Houston was.

[00:01:43]The next one song has actually has an intro before we actually get to the lyrics. This is another song for old people like me and you'll know it.

[00:02:02]It's been covered a couple of times, but the original is still the best.

[00:02:07]Everybody's got a thing, but some don't know how to handle it. always reaching out in vain, just taking the things not worth having. But don't you worry about a thing.

[00:02:26]Don't you worry about a thing, mama, cuz I'll be standing on the side when you check it out.

[00:02:34]That ought to let everybody know what it is. Anyway, uh we are still in the large courtroom. I would much rather do this in here than at the small hearing room.

[00:02:46]But I understand from our viewers, we still have a large echo problem and I don't know how to resolve it. Somebody told me it went away.

[00:02:55]Um, and if I knew what it needed to do to make it go away, I'd do it again.

[00:03:06]It's a privilege to be in this courtroom.

[00:03:10]Uh, and we'll get to do it for about seven more months.

[00:03:18]Do you see any sign of the defendant out there?

[00:03:21]>> No, your honor. I called out for him and no answer.

[00:03:24]>> All right. Well, he's not late yet.

[00:03:26]We'll see.

[00:03:32]>> Well, that's good to know.

[00:03:39]>> Okay. This is our cemetery.

[00:03:44]>> Here stop sign at this other section. He was up here.

[00:03:50]>> Okay.

[00:03:51]>> Tearing out the stop leaving the cemetery.

[00:03:55]Little weird cemetery.

[00:03:59]>> Yeah.

[00:04:01]He came out right through without stopping continued this direction. Would you do me a favor?

[00:04:10]Swap these two microphones.

[00:04:13]>> And you already had an informal.

[00:04:16]What? Did he have an explanation?

[00:04:23]>> We have uh only four microphone stations. One, we had five.

[00:04:31]>> We had four. We now have >> five.

[00:04:35]>> Was there a stop sign there? We have one for the bench, one for the prosecution, one for the defense.

[00:04:41]>> One for the witness box, and one for the >> Yeah, you can tell that it's >> so I don't know. Let's try this other >> low profile microphone.

[00:04:53]>> And uh if I was in the Barbados, maybe I'd be sitting on the beach this morning rather than watching this. But uh exit.

[00:05:07]>> The stop sign would normally be right here. I don't know why it's not there in the picture.

[00:05:10]>> Well, one other option someone suggested is that we turn off the other microphones.

[00:05:16]>> Easy.

[00:05:17]>> Um, when we're zooming only. Um, and we've got all these microphones on that are picking up the other ambient sound.

[00:05:33]So, we could turn off the witness microphone. We'll probably need that one.

[00:05:39]>> No, we're going to use it. Uh, good morning, sir.

[00:05:44]Yes. Are you Ryan Rosanski?

[00:05:47]>> Yes.

[00:05:47]>> All right. You're in the right place.

[00:05:53]>> All right. Indicate this microphone sounds better. And maybe we'll continue experiment with it. We'll turn off some others and >> All right. Well, let's uh get started. Thank you all for saying good morning.

[00:06:22]I also indicate they can clearly hear people talking at the table when they don't mute their microphones.

[00:06:37]I don't usually view it later.

[00:06:40]We live through it once.

[00:06:48]All right. Good morning. We're here for a formal hearing in a traffic violation matter.

[00:06:58]Title of the case is the village of White Pigeon versus Ryan David Rosanski.

[00:07:04]Is that you, sir?

[00:07:06]>> Yes.

[00:07:07]>> Uh, the file number is 2669961.

[00:07:15]For reasons I don't completely understand, the civil infraction cases have a real long number.

[00:07:21]Fennon got a ticket on April 4th, 2026 at 9:00 at night in Way Pigeon at Vermont and Elcart Street. The terrific the ticket was written by Sergeant Hansen, who is present here today, Matthew Hansen.

[00:07:41]Uh he was cited with disobeying a traffic control device. Uh, that is a civil infraction in violation of 257.611.

[00:07:54]It carries a fine and two points.

[00:07:57]Rhonda, we're set for 9:30 for your matter.

[00:08:00]>> Uh, she should be brought over here.

[00:08:05]>> Talked to her at the county jail. So, okay. Just here a little bit earlier.

[00:08:08]They haven't brought her yet. So, >> all right. I'll see you in a little bit.

[00:08:11]Thank you.

[00:08:12]>> No problem. Thank you.

[00:08:12]>> Welcome back.

[00:08:15]>> Thank you.

[00:08:17]All right. Uh, are the people ready to proceed?

[00:08:21]>> We are, your honor.

[00:08:22]>> Could you place your appearance on the record, please?

[00:08:24]>> Yes, your honor. Good morning. Matthew Buck for the village of White Pigeon.

[00:08:37]>> I believe there was already a informal hearing in this matter.

[00:08:42]>> That's correct. the defendant appealed it, which is his right, and asked for a formal hearing in front of the judge.

[00:08:48]So, that's where we are. So, Mr. Rosanski, are you ready to proceed?

[00:08:53]>> Yes.

[00:08:55]>> All right. Um, well, Mr. Hansen, why don't you come up here into the witness box and I'll put you and we'll talk about this citation.

[00:09:15]Why don't you stop right there for a moment? You swear or affirm any testimony you're about to give in this matter will be true to the best of your knowledge and belief. Good. Take it off overall view.

[00:09:35]>> Good morning. Would you state your name for the record, please?

[00:09:38]>> Matthew Hansen. And uh what's your occupation, Mr. Hansen?

[00:09:43]>> I'm a police officer.

[00:09:45]>> You're presently a sergeant there.

[00:09:47]>> How long have you been with that department?

[00:09:49]>> Nine years in count.

[00:09:53]>> Sorry. Nine years in counting.

[00:09:55]>> All right. Nine years in counting. I'm something like 47 years in counting. But who's counting? All right. Mr. Buck, you may inquire.

[00:10:05]>> Thank you, your honor. Uh so Sergeant Hansen, you said you're employed uh as as an officer with uh the the Village of White Pigeon Police Department.

[00:10:14]>> Okay. And um what is your I guess let me ask you this. On um April 4th, 2026, were you in that role?

[00:10:22]>> Yes, sir.

[00:10:23]>> What are some of your responsibilities in that role?

[00:10:26]>> Uh patrol the village uh responding to calls, traffic enforcement.

[00:10:31]>> Okay. And were you patrolling on April 4th? Yes, sir.

[00:10:36]>> Um, was that in the morning? In the evening?

[00:10:40]>> Uh, in the evening.

[00:10:41]>> In the evening. Were you on patrol around 9:00 p.m.?

[00:10:45]>> Yes, sir.

[00:10:46]>> And, uh, where were you patrolling at that time?

[00:10:49]>> Uh, I was conducting directed patrol along West Vermont Street near Elcart Street due to, uh, some recent reports of traffic issues at the stop signs from the apartment complex.

[00:11:01]>> Uh, what kind of traffic issues? Uh we've had uh numerous complaints from the residents that the new apartment complex was failing to stop the stop signs and failing to stop the the apartment complex.

[00:11:13]>> Okay.

[00:11:14]So a directive patrol, and correct me if I'm wrong, is basically you're you're looking for obviously you would stop any crime you see, but you're looking for a specific kind of crime. Is that fair to say?

[00:11:24]>> Yes, sir.

[00:11:25]>> Okay. Um and on that day on April 4th around 900 PM, did you see uh let me ask you this. What did you observe >> uh around that time? I did observe a white Toyota passenger car uh came up Bradley Street to West Vermont Street.

[00:11:42]It was going a little fast, just a couple miles over the speed limit. Not a big deal. Uh I did watch the vehicle go into the cemetery after hours. A little unusual. Um I believe it was someone from the vehicle went to the apartment complex.

[00:11:57]Uh they were there for a few minutes and then they left. Uh upon leaving the cemetery, the white passenger car failed to stop leaving the private drive and then turned and continued east westbound on Vermont Street, failing to stop the stop sign at Vermont and Alcar Street.

[00:12:19]>> Okay. And um these this this intersection that you mentioned, is that in the village of White Pigeon?

[00:12:25]>> It is.

[00:12:25]>> Is that in St. Joseph County? Yes, sir.

[00:12:27]>> State of Michigan?

[00:12:28]>> Yes, sir.

[00:12:28]>> Perfect. Okay. So, after you saw this vehicle pass the stop sign without stopping, what did you do?

[00:12:35]>> I conducted a traffic stop.

[00:12:37]>> Okay. Um, tell me how that went.

[00:12:42]>> Uh, I identified the driver as Mr. Rosansky, if I >> Yeah.

[00:12:47]Uh, he was the driver of the vehicle.

[00:12:49]Um, after my contact with him, I did decide to write him a citation for disobeying the traffic control device.

[00:12:56]>> Okay. And you already kind of have done this, but is is is Mr. Rosanski in the courtroom today?

[00:13:00]>> Yes.

[00:13:00]>> Could you identify him uh in an article of clothing he's wearing?

[00:13:04]>> He's sitting here with a white shirt.

[00:13:05]>> Thank you. Your honor, would uh the record please reflect that um Sergeant um Hansen has identified Mr. Rosanski?

[00:13:12]>> Yes, it may.

[00:13:13]>> Thank you.

[00:13:16]>> Which device was he cited for disobeying >> the stop sign, sir?

[00:13:21]>> At which intersection?

[00:13:23]>> West Vermont and Alcart Street.

[00:13:33]All right. Thank you. You may continue.

[00:13:36]>> Thank you, your honor. And disobeying a traffic control device in this case a stop sign is a violation of um state law. Is that correct?

[00:13:46]>> Correct.

[00:13:47]>> Okay.

[00:13:49]I have nothing further. Thank you.

[00:13:55]>> Mr. Rosanski, you've been through an informal hearing and I wasn't a part of that, so I don't know anything that happened there. But as in that case, you have an opportunity to question uh this witness if you wish to. Are there any questions you wish to ask of officer Hansen?

[00:14:11]>> Yes. Um actually um yeah, there's several questions. Um for uh just just as um Mr. Mr. And can you uh clarify where exactly you were positioned at the time that you observed the alleged traffic violation?

[00:14:27]>> About a block east.

[00:14:28]>> About a block east.

[00:14:30]>> Yep.

[00:14:30]>> Um for the record, could you name that intersection?

[00:14:34]>> Uh it' be St. Joseph Street in West Vermont.

[00:14:36]>> Okay. Um and we acknowledge that this was at nighttime. Um where where is the traffic you're familiar with? Where exactly is that stop sign and where is it pointed? The stop sign would be at the intersection facing east.

[00:14:53]>> Would be at the intersection facing east. And how when would when when the geometry of said intersection is put into question where is the exit of the private drive in relation to the stop sign?

[00:15:07]>> It would be before the intersection.

[00:15:08]>> It would before or at?

[00:15:10]>> Before.

[00:15:11]>> Um I don't know. Can I is it do I have the ability to submit photo evidence because I don't I wasn't able to do that. How do how do I do that?

[00:15:20]>> What do you have?

[00:15:21]>> Photo evidence of where the stop sign is.

[00:15:23]>> Okay. What what nature is the photograph on your phone?

[00:15:27]>> Yeah.

[00:15:28]>> Um there is a way to do it, but uh I may just have to look at your phone.

[00:15:35]>> Okay, that's fine.

[00:15:37]>> I have no problem with that. You're on.

[00:15:39]>> All right.

[00:15:40]>> Okay. I got this is an informal hearing. I mean, excuse me, a formal hearing, but it's a civil infraction.

[00:15:51]So, the burden of proof is only a prepoundonderance of the evidence and uh there's no right to counsel or no right to a jury trial in a civil infraction.

[00:16:02]So, Mr. Rosanski's been through this hearing once in the informal hearing before the magistrate. the law allows either party to appeal that and that's what this defendant has done. So, it is a little less formal than a regular trial. Uh, so I guess what we'll just do is look at his phone.

[00:16:30]I got to find it.

[00:17:41]Sergeant Hansen, what's the name of the new apartment complex that's gone in there?

[00:17:46]>> Native Flats.

[00:17:49]>> N A T I V E F L A T.

[00:17:52]>> Yes, that sounds right.

[00:17:54]>> Yes, Native Flats.

[00:17:58]I believe it's owned by the same people who put the apartments at Centerville.

[00:18:01]>> Yes, it is.

[00:18:03]>> Just swipe left. Just swipe right. It's two pictures.

[00:18:07]The first picture is would be um a a perfect snapshot of what of where the stop sign is located from the perspective at which I was approaching um the intersection. And then the second is would be from his view.

[00:18:24]>> All right. What street is the car on from which the photograph was taken?

[00:18:31]>> On which picture? One or two?

[00:18:33]>> I'm only looking at one >> on one. That is the exit from that's exiting the cemetery.

[00:18:37]>> All right.

[00:18:38]>> You can clearly see that the stop sign is not facing that the graveyard.

[00:18:41]>> All right. So, you're going from the cemetery >> onto the other intersection, which from his view would be the second photo.

[00:18:49]>> Okay.

[00:18:53]You can clearly see that the stop sign is not facing the cemetery. And and when the if you turn into the intersection as once you arrive onto that intersection, your car is already past the stop sign and there is no stop ahead sign anywhere to be found.

[00:19:14]>> All right. I understand what your point.

[00:19:16]Uh the cemetery is a private drive. Yes.

[00:19:19]>> He indicated that you didn't stop when you pulled out of there entering onto the main roadway, but there is no stop sign facing that direction.

[00:19:31]>> Exactly.

[00:19:31]>> When you get onto the roadway, uh there is a stop sign which appears to be about 8 ft from the intersection.

[00:19:41]And uh all right, you've seen it, but you can look at it.

[00:19:50]Um the second photo um you would the second photo is would be from his view not from my view pulling out.

[00:20:10]>> Yes.

[00:20:14]I saw both pictures and I will accept them as evidence.

[00:21:43]All right, let's look at the screen. Let's see if I can figure out where we are here.

[00:22:16]Oops.

[00:22:18]Got all discombobulated here.

[00:22:26]All right. This is Vermont Street.

[00:22:31]Which way is the apartment? Am I headed toward the apartment complex?

[00:22:36]>> No, you have to turn around. All right.

[00:22:47]And I lose the picture.

[00:22:51]Well, that doesn't help.

[00:23:08]>> Is this the intersection? That looks like that is the intercept.

[00:23:11]>> All right. So, the cemetery comes out here.

[00:23:14]>> No, I just come from the other way.

[00:23:18]>> All right. And >> the cemetery comes out here.

[00:23:21]>> No, one to the right. To your right.

[00:23:24]That's >> all right. Right there. Yep.

[00:23:27]>> All right. Now, there used to be just that apparently.

[00:23:30]>> Mhm.

[00:23:31]>> Uh, so this is the drive coming out of the cemetery.

[00:23:35]>> Yes.

[00:23:36]>> You were coming this way. There's no stop sign from the cemetery onto Vermont Street. Is that correct?

[00:23:43]>> Yes.

[00:23:44]>> And then you were going to turn right down this road to go towards the apartment complex.

[00:23:50]>> Yep.

[00:23:51]>> Now, this is an old Google Earth photo, but uh it shows a temporary stop sign.

[00:23:59]So, the stop sign in your picture would be >> some somewhere >> right about there. All right. So it's your contention that >> my contingent is that under >> that you came out of here and the stop sign didn't tell you to stop there and then by the time you got here the stop sign was already >> has already passed. So it under under normal nighttime driving conditions it would it is not visible enough to give a adequate adequate time to respond to the sign. Therefore the a stop ahead sign would be required. However I don't think that would be necessary because Michigan law says that um you have to stop at all private drives which I'm from Indiana and that's not the case there.

[00:24:51]The requirement in Indiana is to yield unless you're turning left.

[00:24:56]Right, I'll stop sharing. Anybody else want to comment on any of this? The picture is not the greatest, but it does give a better picture that we can all see of this intersection. Looks like it was takes on a nice summer day, but at the time this was taken, that complex was not there yet.

[00:25:17]>> All right. Well, we'll stop the sharing.

[00:25:20]>> There is now an actual stop sign, not >> Yes, we saw it in his picture. There's an actual stop sign at that location.

[00:25:27]All right. Any other questions you wish to ask of?

[00:25:29]>> Um, I do not believe so at this time though.

[00:25:32]>> All right. Thank you. You may step down.

[00:25:39]Your pictures better showed it than that Google Earth photo, >> but >> I took I took several. I just can't find the rest of them. Uh but um that's the best we had. All right. Any further testimony or evidence?

[00:26:00]>> No, your honor.

[00:26:02]>> All right. Uh Mr. Rosansky, do you wish to testify?

[00:26:06]>> Um uh sure, why not?

[00:26:10]>> All right.

[00:26:12]>> Why don't you just stay there and then I'll be able to see you more clearly.

[00:26:15]>> Okay. All right. You raise your right hand. You swear or affirm any testimony you're about to give in this matter will be true to the best of your knowledge and belief.

[00:26:25]>> Yes.

[00:26:26]>> All right. What do you want to tell me?

[00:26:28]>> Um at at this night, um I noticed I'm I'm unfamiliar with the area. I'm not from here. I'm from India. Um I was I was door dashing with my girlfriend and we were doing our last little delivery for the night. I'm being unfamiliar. Say that again.

[00:26:43]>> You did a word I didn't hear. something delivery.

[00:26:45]>> Yeah. Yeah. Door dash.

[00:26:46]>> I know. But you said you were doing a rrestling delivery or something. I didn't understand what >> Oh, no. I We were me and my girlfriend were door dashing and it was our last order for the night we were doing.

[00:26:55]>> All right. You were door dashing. That was your last delivery in white pigeon.

[00:26:58]Yep.

[00:26:58]>> Where were you delivering from?

[00:27:00]>> Um Oh, I I I don't remember off the top of my head. I do I do hundreds of deliveries.

[00:27:06]>> All right. Why did you end up in the cemetery? Um, I was unfamiliar with the area and um, it's I went where the GPS told me to go. Um, you know, we deliver in strange spots all the time, so it wasn't necessarily unordinary to deliver to a cemetery, especially if there was like a security guard we were delivering to or whatever the case may be. But when I got up to the pinpoint, I was like, "Oh, it's an apartment." You know, and that's not I don't I don't see that being that big of an issue, especially because I'm already in the cemetery. So, I delivered my order. I turned around and I got back in my car. I got everything ready and then I I drove forward. I did a U-turn and then I exited. As I exited, I hit that I I I looked to my left quick. Remember, I'm notic I made a statement saying I was from Indiana. Our only requirement in Indiana when turning right out of a private drive is to yield. So, I looked to my left. I didn't see anybody. And so I went on I turned right and I went on.

[00:28:05]Um and then as I was driving um he initiated a traffic stop against me and I and I and I stopped. Um during the um during the traffic stop he uh gave he questioned me um in regards to several matters but um he questioned heavily as to why I was in his main focus was why I was in the cemetery. Um, I answered accordingly and then he meant he asked if I saw the stop sign back there. I said no. I had no idea there was a stop sign back there.

[00:28:36]And um, after that he uh, wrote me a ticket saying that yeah, you stop sign even though I had no knowledge of a stop sign back there. Um, and that's when I went back and took pictures cuz I was like, is there really a stop sign back there? And so I went back and that confirmed obviously there's a stop sign back there.

[00:28:56]>> All right. Um, I didn't understand the sequence.

[00:29:04]I assumed that you were I I don't know. I assume maybe you went in the cemetery for a minute, then came out of the cemetery and were on the way to the delivery.

[00:29:16]>> No, >> but your statement is you'd already made the delivery.

[00:29:19]>> Yes. I Yes. I Yes. The the delivery was inside of the apartment complex, but it was a building that was right next to the cemetery.

[00:29:28]>> All right. Then you went back into the cemeter.

[00:29:30]>> No, no, no, no, no, no. I was in the cemetery, then I made the delivery because you just you just walk right across.

[00:29:36]>> All right. So, you stayed in the cemetery and made the delivery.

[00:29:40]>> Yes.

[00:29:41]>> All right. So, you left your car in the cemetery, walked across the grass or something, >> made delivery, got back in your car.

[00:29:49]>> Yes.

[00:29:50]All right. And you were coming back to your car and then you were going to make a right turn.

[00:29:56]>> No. And then I made a U-turn and then I made that right turn onto Vermont Street.

[00:30:01]>> Okay.

[00:30:01]>> All right. Which would have taken you back toward the apartment complex.

[00:30:07]>> Yes.

[00:30:10]>> Where you did the U-turn inside the cemetery?

[00:30:12]>> Yes, I did U-turn inside the cemetery.

[00:30:13]>> Okay.

[00:30:15]Um, and then that for Monster Street would eventually get you back to US12 or whatever way you were going to use to go back to Elk.

[00:30:25]>> Yes.

[00:30:28]>> All right. Does that raise any questions for you, Mr. Buck?

[00:30:31]>> No, your honor.

[00:30:33]>> All right. Thank you. Anything further?

[00:30:36]>> No.

[00:30:38]>> Uh, argument.

[00:30:40]>> Thank you, your honor. I I honestly have no doubt that Mr. Rosansi didn't see the stop sign. Um I think that that's fair to say. He did however go through the stop sign without stopping. We heard uh Sergeant Hansen's testimony to the same.

[00:30:55]He observed uh Mr. Zanski coming out of the private drive, turning right, passing the stop sign, and continuing on without without stopping. Um it's obviously that's a disobeying a traffic uh control device. I think I think it's pretty straightforward from there. I don't think that there has been any evidence that the um traffic signal was improperly placed. Um you I I don't think that it would be appropriate, in fact, it isn't appropriate to put a stop ahead sign on a private property, in this case the cemetery, to let you know that there's a stop sign around the corner. Um while these sort of I guess intersections aren't incredibly common, this is This is not an unforeseen thing. Um the this where you have an immediate turn and a stop sign uh right after. Um I think it was an honest mistake, but he did violate the the Michigan law and uh I think that the uh the villages met its uh its burden.

[00:32:02]>> Can I counter?

[00:32:03]>> Yes, you have. Um the manual on uniform traffic control devices is clear in its in its um uh its um conditions that um all signs must meet. Um it is clear that a stop sign must be facing the lane it intends to control and give notice. If it does not give notice, a stop ahead sign must be placed. However, we've made note that the that failure to stop at a private drive is is the what is that's what I I failed to stop at a private drive. Um, so that that would satisfy the stopping requirement. Um, I do not I I would say that the stop sign is improperly placed. I believe that it should be placed before the the um the uh the intersection because at the when you were exiting the cemetery, all lanes of travel affecting the driver leaving the cemetery are visible from the cemetery.

[00:33:00]>> All right. You raised an interesting defense. Here's the intersection again.

[00:33:08]Uh this is a recipe for an accident. If we use your theory, uh there isn't anywhere else to put the stop sign. The stop sign is to stop uh >> east westbound travel.

[00:33:28]>> Yes. and I was not heading west.

[00:33:31]>> And uh they can't put a stop sign ahead.

[00:33:39]One thing that would perhaps help if they put a stop sign at the end of the driveway.

[00:33:44]>> That Yeah, that would be that would be property.

[00:33:46]>> But that's private property. It's not state road.

[00:33:51]So the stop sign is to This runs north and south or east and west. Uh Vermont is east and west.

[00:33:59]>> All right.

[00:34:00]>> So it's to stop people going down Vermont Street from pulling or colliding with somebody coming off the north south intersection. So there's a stop sign right there.

[00:34:14]But if everybody was able to do what you did, it would circumvent the whole thing. If he were able to just pull out of here without stopping and then go here without stopping, it would be a recipe for a collision in this intersection.

[00:34:35]Now, granted, it's at night. You're not familiar with the area, but if it didn't apply, it would be a way to just simply circumvent that stop sign. Um, >> that's where you would have the failure to uh stop at a private drive.

[00:34:57]Yes.

[00:35:03]All right.

[00:35:08]Let's talk for a minute. The traffic control device, this little temporary sign here is not what was there. There was a fully posted state highway uh correct stop sign that you showed me in your picture. A traffic control device means all signs, signals, markings, and devices not is consistent with this act placed or erected by an authority of a public body that has jurisdiction.

[00:35:43]Uh, so that qualifies.

[00:35:48]Uh, that one doesn't, but the one you showed me in your photograph does.

[00:35:52]So, let's talk about the actual statute you're charged with violating 257611.

[00:35:59]Tell you how old this is.

[00:36:02]Uh, the driver of a vehicle or operator of a street car shall not disobey the instructions of a, excuse me, traffic control device, which is that stop sign. That law was enacted in 1949 where apparently there were still some street cars in the state of Michigan.

[00:36:22]So, I understand your defense. I'm going to stop the screen share.

[00:36:35]Sergeant Hansen was there specifically under what's called directed patrol. Uh previously there had not been any residences back there. It was a a rural area and they built an apartment complex. It probably has 50 or so uh units in it. So all of a sudden there's a lot of traffic coming up and down this road where there previously wasn't any.

[00:37:07]Um so you have an argument that coming where you were you wouldn't have known of the stop sign but you clearly failed to stop exiting a public driveway which I think is going to be the same thing a private driveway. Those are two legally distinct um offenses with two legally distinct statutes that defined the offense.

[00:37:35]>> Yes.

[00:37:35]>> And I was not cited for that.

[00:37:37]>> Well, I just made a finding that you violated that.

[00:37:41]So whether you were cited for it or not, I find that you failed to stop on departing a private drive.

[00:38:05]fine is $90 and apply your bond to the $90. You posted a $90 bond.

[00:38:19]Under your theory, there would be no repercussion for pulling out of the cemetery without stopping, blowing through the stop sign and crashing into somebody uh at that intersection. You can't have it both ways. You either have to stop at the end of the cemetery or you have to stop at the stop sign. And you didn't do either one.

[00:38:42]So, uh you posted a $90 bond. I'll leave the fine at $90. This is a civilent fraction, not a misdemeanor.

[00:38:55]Uh so the burden of proof is less.

[00:38:59]Um I find arguably the burden of proof has been met for the stop sign violation, but I understand your argument. Anyway, you can't do what you did. You can't just pull out of there, go through that intersection without stopping anywhere.

[00:39:21]So, the fine's the same. The charge will be different.

[00:39:45]That's 257 652.

[00:39:57]The driver of vehicle about to enter across a highway from an alley, private road, or driveway shall come to a full stop before entering the highway and shield shall yield the ride away to any vehicles approaching. Any person who violates this section as violation of a civil infraction. It's just a couple of sections away from the one we're in.

[00:40:19]257652.

[00:40:22]All right. You're responsible for that.

[00:40:24]That's what we'll show on your driving record. I believe it carries two points.

[00:40:28]And the $90 fine from your bond will apply to the finite cost.

[00:40:34]>> All right. That completes our record here.

[00:40:37]>> Thank you, your honor.

[00:40:38]>> Thank you.

[00:40:51]>> Hi I just have no idea what to do with her.

[00:41:11]>> What does she want to do?

[00:41:13]>> Um well, I I don't I think she wants to admit that she didn't um complete probation. um she's been very um you know proactive when she got >> I don't want to say too much without the pro I don't know if prosecutor's comment so she wants to admit or she wants to have a hearing >> um well I believe she wants to admit I don't know what Dan's recommendation is going to be >> what's on the paper >> okay >> except for I for some reason I had 81 days and it should be 75 with the credit today >> I didn't get your report so I'm apologizing >> Oh you didn't >> you should Uh, that's from