New Guthrie Information + New Search Warrant in Kristen Smart Case

Added: 2026-05-14

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[00:08:17]Nancy Guthrie, was there one or two uh kidnappers there? Is one alive? Is one dead? Was there a boss? Was it planned? Was it not planned? Was it a robbery? Was it not a robbery? Nothing is new. There is nothing new. Nothing. But Brian Engine does have a special on the CW uh about it and he's just going to talk about everything he's learned. And that's great. He can make it sound interesting.

[00:08:43]He can make slicing a potato sound interesting. Okay. So, he doesn't even need to have any new information. Brian Enton is that good at NewsNation.

[00:08:52]However, there really is nothing new.

[00:08:54]Now, he does talk about, and we're going to play some of his a clip from a a couple of his videos. It seems that Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, and Sheriff Chris Nanos are going ner to each other. Um, Sheriff Nanos is saying that Cash Patel is lying. Cash Patel is saying Sheriff Nanos is lying.

[00:09:14]Both of them just need to be metaphorically smacked.

[00:09:19]I don't mean physically. I mean like they just need to pull their heads out, get some cold water on them and have them focus on the case and quit, you know, nattering at at each other.

[00:09:30]We're going to talk about that here in just a moment. Also, like I said, Brian Anton has a special on CW tonight. Uh it's all about Nancy Guthrie, but he talks with his good friend. I want to make sure I get her name right because I always always seem to get it wrong.

[00:09:46]Where did it go? Let's see here. uh Marine Oonnell, former FBI agent, and he talks with her tonight, not from the special, but on a a video clip that he put up about uh the case. And it's interesting what she has to say. Uh she thought for sure that we would have somebody arrested by now. We all did.

[00:10:04]Let's face it. Uh again, you can't uh if you don't release information about a case and nothing happens and you've got a million-doll reward and nobody's talking and you just sit there and I I'm not saying they're uh the investigators are just sitting there. I'm sure they're checking on tips and everything, but the thing is Sheriff Nano Nanos has the biggest army out there. He's got the most help he could ever want. That's the general public. if he would release something that we could help with, okay, it could really mean the difference in this case. It may be too late. We may never find out what happened to Nancy Guthrie. And uh I I'm sorry. I blame that on Sheriff Nanos. He just would not release any information. I've always said he's like a toddler refusing to be potty trained.

[00:10:56]He just doesn't want to let anything go.

[00:10:58]He's just sitting there going, "No, this is all mine. It's mine, mine, mine.

[00:11:02]And that was the biggest mistake ever.

[00:11:04]Is it too late? I don't know. But I'll tell you what, what he's doing now isn't working. So why not try something different? That's kind of what I say. If something doesn't work after, oh, you know, 3 months, try something different.

[00:11:17]Yes. Big big news in the Kristen Smart case. Now Paul Flores has been arrested and sent to prison for her murder, but her body has yet to be found. They have served a search warrant. San Louis Viso U Sheriff's Office have served a search warrant on Paul's mother's house and we're going to get a report on that as well. An AI artificial intelligence has got another attorney in trouble and it may lead to a murderer having her case overturned. We're going to get into all of that tonight. How about if we get right to it, shall we? Let me just take a look here. Sheriff Bananos. Exactly.

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[00:12:09]Jules and me, I agree. I fear that uh Nancy Guthrie is out there in that huge desert with all those abandoned minds.

[00:12:17]It'll be almost impossible if that's the case. So, I'll tell you what. Let's get right to Brian Anton. I'm going to play you a short from Brian talking about Cash Patel and Sheriff Nanos going to each other. Okay. So, let's get to that and then we'll come back and discuss this as well. Uh, that's not it. Is this it? That's not it. Oh, if I did not pull it up, I'm Oh, here it is. I did. I was going to say I'm going to have a nervous breakdown because I made sure I had it.

[00:12:42]Here we go.

[00:12:50]So, a Nancy Guthrie update here. You guys remember FBI director Cash Patel uh said that it was 4 days until the FBI was brought in on the investigation that he had a plane ready to go to take the DNA evidence uh from the crime scene back to Quantico, but instead the sheriff didn't involve the FBI initially and uh decided to send the DNA to their own private lab. Okay, so that's what Cash Patel said yesterday. Puma County Sheriff put out a new statement. I emailed them last night basically saying that this isn't true. That's what the sheriff is saying. Um that he says that they've been working with uh a member of the FBI task force since the beginning.

[00:13:26]Um that decisions regarding evidence processing were made on scene based on operational needs. Uh the lab utilized by the Puma County Sheriff's Office and the FBI lab in Quanico have worked in close partnership from the outset and continue to collaborate in the analysis of evidence. Uh, so they're claiming that there's coordination here. So you're hearing two different stories here. Cash Patel saying they were blocked out initially. Sheriff saying that there's coordination. So, uh, kind of interesting, but that's the latest. I got my CW special coming up tonight on the CW network, 9:00 Eastern, full hour on the Nancy Guthrie case. A lot of new information. So check it out. Uh, and I'll talk to you guys later.

[00:14:12]>> So there you go. I who who do you believe?

[00:14:16]Toss up. Toss up. I I don't know. I don't I don't care. I don't care. It's too late. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter anyway. It just does not matter. But again, uh Brian Anton, just one of my favorite people ever in true crime. And uh he interviewed Marine Oonnell, his FBI friend. I think they met, and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that they met while they while Brian was in LA reporting on the uh Reiner case and she was like jogging up and down the street and he was out in front of Rob Reiner's house when that happened and uh when it was all going on and all the media was out there trying to get information and uh he uh met Marine Oonnell. think that's how they met. Uh if not, that's a great story. I'm sticking to it. It's kind of romantic, even though there's nothing romantic about this. But anyway, in his latest uh YouTube video, he talks to her. Oh my gosh, Aie. Really? Here you go. He talks to her and she gives a a really good kind of uh a great update, a good concise update of what she thinks is going on in the Nancy Guthrie case. So, let's watch this. Again, I'll put this link in chat.

[00:15:36]Everybody, be sure and go to Brian Anton's channel and hit that subscribe button and give him a thumbs up because we love and adore him. Here he is talking to his friend Marino Con, former FBI Oh my god. Hold on.

[00:16:27]I'm sorry, guys. It just kicked away. I have need to start over. God lord. I swear to God. It's just one of those nights. Let me start over again. Hang on. We'll get this right.

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[00:17:00]>> See you. Thank you for for joining me.

[00:17:03]You've been busy. I missed you. A lot of people have been asking like, "Where's Moren?" you know, they want your your take on things. Um, I I wanted to start >> We got into a fight, huh? Just kidding.

[00:17:13]>> Yeah. No, no fight. No fight. Just Just >> No fights for us, >> you know.

[00:17:17]>> Um, but, uh, I wanted to start by asking you, I mean, it's now been I mean, it's officially been three months. You and I have been talking about Nancy Guthrie and the case since the very beginning.

[00:17:30]Um, where's your mind at on the whole thing?

[00:17:35]Well, I was I was wrong because I thought we would have someone in custody by now. Um, but it seems clear to me that the road we're headed down now is um forensic genetic genealogy because that's the only thing that really takes this long. Um, I, you know, I've asked I've been shifting a little bit on whether or not there was one or more persons involved. I think there I I always thought there were two and now I'm just wondering could it have been just one person because the $1.2 million on the table to me is is a game changer and it's something that's really going to make a difference and it's really going to bring someone out of the woodwork but we don't have that yet. But I also think as I mentioned a a long time ago that if there are two or more people my guess was one of them was dead for the same reason because of this 1.2 2 million that will change your life.

[00:18:34]It's not like a $25,000 reward that some person's going to blow through in a week. It's $1.2 million. It's a lifechanging amount of money.

[00:18:46]>> And for this CW special I've been working on, I and you've known some of these people and talked to some of these people, but I I interviewed Dr. Amber Burgess, who is um you know, was was an FBI profiler was the show Mind Hunter.

[00:18:59]one of the characters was based on her.

[00:19:00]Dr. Bcado, Gary, >> and guys, I do want to just mention really quickly about that uh million dollar plus reward.

[00:19:09]Marino Connell's right. That is lifechanging. Somebody, if there was a a pair of people that kidnapped Nancy, one of them would have turned on the other and said, "I want a deal. Oh, and I want that money, too." Somebody would have called in.

[00:19:25]So I think I I think it's just one person that that's just my opinion. But let's continue on. This is Brian Anton.

[00:19:31]Here we go.

[00:19:32]>> Cado, who you know, you actually I think connected me with him to begin with. And um Dr. Casey Jordan. So I want to play for you. I'm curious what you think about some of their theories. I want to play for you a couple of clips from the special. We'll start with this one.

[00:19:45]>> Dr. Burgess, do you think this is the only person >> or do you think there's more people involved?

[00:19:50]>> No, but I just had a thought that person may have been eliminated also. So, the person we see at the front door could be dead.

[00:19:56]>> That's correct.

[00:19:57]>> Killed by someone else, >> the partner.

[00:19:59]>> Killed by the boss, >> right? By the boss, right?

[00:20:02]>> Uh, it was well planned. They've gotten away with it. And and they've pulled a type of case that we've never seen before, as far as we know. I just think that somewhere hidden in here, who this person, whoever this guy is at the door, if he is caught, if he's alive and and is caught, he will lead down the spiderweb to the center where you will find somebody >> who is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[00:20:27]>> So, it's interesting. I had duh. Sorry. totally muted. Uh, I want to comment what Jules and Me has up here on the uh on the screen says, "Yeah, but if you're in on it, you're not you're going to jail. You're not going to collect the 1.2 million." Yes and no. If you have a good enough lawyer, you would be able to make a deal at this point. My guess is if they could get one of the guys, if somebody could come in and say, "I know the mastermind. Yeah, I helped him, but he said he was going to kill me, but I'll help you, but I want no jail time, and I want that 1.2 million." I bet they would make that deal. I think they're that desperate. I'm wondering if that's kind of what uh Marina is talking about.

[00:21:15]But let's get back now to Brian Anton and see what else he has to say.

[00:21:21]>> Never really thought about this until they started talking about it. The the possibility that the guy at the door who we've been looking at for so long now could be dead.

[00:21:33]>> Yeah, Brian, I thought I said that from the very beginning to you. I know I said it, but I thought I said it here to you that if it's, you know, cuz when initially when people were saying it was like at least two, five, you cannot keep that many people quiet, especially with this amount of money on the table. But let's say it's two people. I would say one of them's got to be dead because it can the can the let's say there's a mastermind behind this. Can that person really pay him more than $1.2 2 million or is he likely to? No, that's not going to happen.

[00:22:09]>> So, you think that they may have if if it is more than one person and there's a mastermind, they may have killed the the guy at the door to keep him quiet.

[00:22:20]>> Yes. So, imagine a scenario where the two of us pull off some caper.

[00:22:25]Obviously, it's not going to be kidnapping or murder or anything or anything illegal. But let's say let's say we're the ones pulling off some caper or trying to. Then you start calling me and you're like, "Morin, I don't know what to tell you, but now they've got that video. Now they've got me on the front porch. They have my backpack. They've identified my pack back. What?" You know, the person's going to be like, "A, stop calling me.

[00:22:45]B, what are you doing, dude? You're losing your mind. Let's stay calm. We'll be able to work this out or whatever."

[00:22:51]And it becomes very clear very early on that you're not going to be able to work it out. And and so that's what leads people to believe, especially people in the law enforcement community, to believe that that other person just may get eliminated.

[00:23:06]>> And >> hey, I want to stop it really quickly.

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[00:23:18]>> That would explain, I guess, why it's gone silent if that's the case.

[00:23:23]>> Interesting. Yeah, you made >> there are so many Go ahead.

[00:23:26]>> No, no, go ahead, Moren.

[00:23:27]>> But there are so many cases where everyone thinks someone got away with it and now here we are a year later and someone is finally in handcuffs.

[00:23:38]the there are there's all kinds of leakage that can go on with whoever this offender is and their behavior and the words that come out of their mouth and if they drink a lot or if they, you know, cuz if you drink a lot, you're going to run your mouth and say something that you shouldn't, no matter who you are. And so there are so many cases where, you know, law enforcement is a patient group. We're very impatient when it comes to a million things, but when it comes to having the stick tuitiveness to really hunt someone down no matter what, there's patience in that. And and law enforcement has patience. And these men and women on the front line that are doing all this work with with the Puma County Sheriff's Department and the FBI, they are not going to give up. And sometimes all it takes is a phone call and you know this person saying something or leaking some information.

[00:24:34]When we when we look back at what all the other profilers have said like when you've talked to Jim Clemeni or you've talked to uh Jim Fitz they Jim Fitzgerald they say the same thing that this person is giving out information and is it's a matter of who's receiving that information and are they reporting it. It's interesting when you talk about patience because I feel like the way you're describing patience with law enforcement is like the opposite of reporters. Like I have almost no patience when it comes to stuff like this. Like I I always want things to be solved really quickly and then I'm wondering is it a cold case? And I kind of feel like the public is like that a lot too. Um so you're saying behind the scenes when you would work big cases you like at this stage you wouldn't be starting to get frustrated or would you?

[00:25:20]Yeah, we're frustrated, but we're we're a rare breed in that we have to be able to move dynamically. We have to be able to just jump into a fluid situation.

[00:25:32]We're used to going towards things that everyone else is running away from. So, we're we're it's just this strange dichotomy or tricotomy of um the way we handle different situations. But the one thing we know and we learn it from all the people before us and the the experienced people when we're brand new from that time, you learn just be patient. You know, they tell us to be patient even though we're generally not patient people at all. Unless you're talking about the people that are in the um counterterrorism world or the forensic accountants, they're very patient. Um, and you know, so you you think of it like um like if you're in a marked unit and you're following someone or or if you're in a marked unit and you need to pull someone over, all you have to do is follow them. You follow them long enough and they're going to do something either because they're nervous or they just they're so concentrated on you behind them that they're going to just, you know, go through a a stop sign or a yellow light or something. And you know, so there is there is a sense of this knowing that someone's going to screw up at some point or another. Someone could tell their wife. And the greatest source of information is when people break up.

[00:26:46]When couples break up, go right to the ex-wife or the ex-girlfriend or the ex-husband. They'll tell you everything you want to know.

[00:26:55]>> Yeah. And it just seems human human nature, too. Initially, when you have a secret, you're very careful about it.

[00:27:02]You don't I'm not telling anyone. But then as time goes by, it seems like some people will start, oh, well, I can maybe just tell this one person. Oh, it's not in the news as much anymore. Maybe it won't be that. You know what I mean, >> right? Or it could be something where someone says something and you see their face just, you know, you just see a reaction with no explanation and you're like, "That was weird." and it makes you retrospectively reinterpret other things or other, you know, other times you've been with them. So, you just you just don't know how this thing plays out. And sometimes it's the buildup of all the really small things that that can create a circumstantial case. But I'm really hoping, you know, I and you know, why am I so optimistic?

[00:27:46]Why am I so optimistic about them getting someone in custody? It's because I understand this mindset and I understand who, you know, who's working this case and I I think they're doing the best job they can. I think it is odd that we don't have anyone yet, but I haven't given up hope because so many times I've seen it happen many months or years later.

[00:28:13]There you go everybody. I'll put the link in chat uh so you can watch the whole interview.

[00:28:19]But basically, new information about Nancy Guthrie, which is absolutely nothing new. It's just kind of repackaged and talked about in a different manner. And that's good. And let me tell you why. We've got to keep this case in the spotlight. It's very important because you never know, like they're saying, you never know where that next tip will come from. Could be somebody watching something or reading something and they go, "You know, this one guy, he kind of bugged me. I'm going to call it in." And it could lead could lead to solving the case. Or it could be they broke up. They're mad at their boyfriend and they want to turn them in.

[00:28:56]There's a million different reasons. But no matter what, even though there's nothing really new to report on, it is good that we keep talking about it, it is to keep Nancy in the spotlight, and we should do that with a lot more cases as well. I'll tell you what, another case that needs to be in the spotlight is Kristen Smart. Now, she has been um she's declared dead. Her murderer is behind bars, but the murderer's mother's house is now being searched because Kristen has never been found. So, we're going to play you a uh a news report about this. Let me grab it here. This is from News Channel 312. All right. And let's uh this is a case that Stacy has cuz it's right by her house. I mean, it's just I think it's just literally like a short drive and so she's followed it from from day one. So, let's play this right now and then we'll come back and discuss. And all of these cases are on webs.com. And I'll be putting the links to these discussions in the description as well. Okay. So, let's share this right here. And here we go.

[00:30:01]And here we go.

[00:30:06]New developments in the killing of Kristen Smart, the CalPoly freshman who disappeared in 1996. Investigators taking steps to change that today.

[00:30:14]Serving a search warrant at the home of Paul Flores's mother in a royal grande this morning. and a second home.

[00:30:20]>> A jury convicted Flores of murdering Smart back in 2022, but her body has never been found. Dave Ali joined us live now from outside Flores's home. And Dave, today's search comes nearly 30 years to the day since Smart's disappearance.

[00:30:35]>> It does. CJ and Beth Kristen Smart went missing on the CalPoly campus in St. Louis Abyspo on May 25th, 1996. And >> it's been 30 years. Oh my god, I had no idea it'd been that long. I'm sorry.

[00:30:49]Let's continue.

[00:30:49]>> Now, nearly three decades later, there is new activity taking place that we're told is related to her disappearance.

[00:30:55]It's a brand new search that is happening here in the village of Aoya Grandandy at that house right there behind me that belongs to Susan Flores, the mother of convicted killer Paul Flores.

[00:31:06]The Aoya Grandandy home of Susan Flores buzzed with activity early Wednesday morning, soon after 7 a.m. when the St. Louis Abyspo County Sheriff's Office arrived with a search warrant.

[00:31:16]>> It's a surprise. It's been, you know, 3 years since the trial ended. Um, and so obviously new evidence had to lead them here, and that's a good sign.

[00:31:26]>> Chris Lambert, who brought new attention to the case with his hit podcast, Your Own Backyard, was on the scene when the warrant was delivered.

[00:31:32]>> It was surreal. I um I get text messages and uh emails all the time from people saying they see suspicious activity up here, and usually when I drive by, it's nothing. And this morning, it turned out to be something. According to the sheriff's office, the investigation is quote related to the Christristen Smart disappearance. This activity is the result of a search warrant signed by a superior court judge end quote. The sheriff's office shared photos of the scene which included Sheriff Ian Parkinson and the now retired Clint Cole who was the lead detective on the case through the Paul Flores trial. All throughout the day, investigators could be seen coming and going into the backyard. Word of the search spread quickly, bringing out many people to the neighborhood. just very excited to wake up to the news that they were searching our home with a search warrant.

[00:32:18]Um, something I followed for many years since day one.

[00:32:22]>> During the search, ground penetrating radar equipment was used in the driveway. Similar to a search in 2021 at the nearby home of Ruben Flores, Paul's father. Later on, a crew was seen conducting testing in the soil in the front yard of a house located next door to the Susan Flores residence. It's a little kind of like alarming that the neighbor's house is being searched as well this morning. Um, that's something that's new. Um, that's interesting. Actually, it's a little different.

[00:32:51]>> The remains of Kristen Smart have never been found. Through the years, investigators have conducted searches at multiple locations to find those, including at this site where Susan Flores lives. My thoughts are that they have obviously come up with some new detail that has resurfaced and they are trying to bring Kristen home and my hope is that that definitely happens and the family can get peace and closure for once.

[00:33:19]>> Members of the St. Louis Abyispo County Sheriff's Office remain on scene as of right now just after 5:00. were told by the sheriff's office that they do anticipate continuing on with the search warrant here at the home of Susan Flores tomorrow as well. Reporting live in Oya Grandandy on News Channel reporter Dave Alli.

[00:33:39]>> You have to wonder what in the world could they be looking for after all these years. I don't know. Don't have any idea. But our web members are on it at webloo.com. I've just put the link in the chat. I'll put it in the description. You can just go read there.

[00:33:53]If you don't uh if you don't have a membership to websites.com, I would recommend that you go and read there and uh it'll blow your mind what our members do. It is amazing. In fact, a little little inside tea here. Uh we had a Zoom meeting this morning with uh a gentleman from Great Britain from one of the biggest production c the biggest uh true crime production company in Great Britain.

[00:34:22]And he is uh working on a documentary.

[00:34:24]I'm not allowed to say which one, but he was going on and on about what our members had uncovered in this particular case that they're doing a documentary on. This was a long time ago and uh I I was stunned because you have to go way back and read a bunch of discussion threads and everything and that's what this gentleman had done and it was so impressive to me what our members were able to do and I can't wait to tell you which case it is but we'll tell you soon. I hope I hope. Okay, so let's hope on that. Again, I just put in chat a big big big uh link. It's like this big.

[00:35:04]It's huge. It's maybe it's this big.

[00:35:08]Click on it. That'll take you to the discussion thread on webs.com. Okay. All right. Now, let's talk about AI. AI is the greatest thing and the worst thing to happen to humanity. There are a lot of people that believe that AI is going to be the downfall of humanity, and it can be if we do not get a handle on it, but that's a whole other show.

[00:35:29]Here's what's happening in the law with AI.

[00:35:32]A lot of lawyers are using AI to write their briefs, to write their appeals.

[00:35:37]What AI does is this artificial intelligence. I use chat GBT. There are a whole bunch of others.

[00:35:46]What it does, what artificial intelligence will do is it will make up case files, give it a number, and then it looks legit. So, let's say the argument is, well, I want to overturn my client's murder conviction. Well, you know, according to Smith versus Smith in 1936, the same thing happened on case filed blah blah blah blah blah, um that the knife was was planted by the cops and it's the same thing here. And that's why we should allow this information in because it was allowed in back in 1936 under this case law.

[00:36:19]And it's all made up. AI just makes it up. Just pulls it out of its artificial ass, if you will, and makes it up. And that is what happened in this next story. I'm going to play you everything and then we're going to come back and talk about it. Okay? So, hang on. Let me grab it here.

[00:36:41]And this is from Atlanta News First.

[00:36:44]Here we go.

[00:36:47]Maybe >> moving on here. a Clayton County District Attorney, assistant district attorney I should say, is now barred from practicing law before the state supreme court for six months.

[00:36:57]>> This all comes after she admitted to using artificial intelligence to write a court brief, but the computer cited fake cases. Atlanta News First reporter Chelsea Binfor is live at the Supreme Court of Georgia. And Chelsea, this actually sets a new precedent for AI in our legal system.

[00:37:17]Yeah, guys, it's a warning from the state's highest court that AI assisted writing is allowed, but fake citations are not. A reminder that everything needs to be independently verified. And this mistake could ultimately lead to a convicted murderer getting a chance at another trial.

[00:37:36]>> We, the jury, find the defendant guilty.

[00:37:39]>> In 2023, a Clayton County jury convicted Hannah Payne of murdering Kenneth Herring. Prosecutors said Payne witnessed a traffic accident she wasn't even involved in, then followed Herring when he tried to leave the scene and eventually shot him.

[00:37:54]>> We cannot have confidence in this verdict, and I respectfully request a new trial.

[00:37:58]>> Almost 3 years later, Payne and her legal team are appealing that conviction, arguing her trial council failed to seek a jury instruction on citizens arrest. When that appeal made it to the state supreme court, Chief Justice Nells Peterson noticed something wrong with the prosecutor's brief.

[00:38:16]>> There are at least five citations to cases that don't exist.

[00:38:20]>> Clayton County Assistant District Attorney Deborah Leslie admits she used artificial intelligence to help compose her argument against Payne getting a new trial, but the computer cited madeup cases in her argument. She said the errors were not intentional. I did prepare an order. That order was revised.

[00:38:40]>> Atlanta attorney Joshua Schiffer, who is not tied to the case, says the Georgia Supreme Court's opinion sends a message not only to attorneys, but judges across the state about the use of AI moving forward.

[00:38:52]>> It's not just the District Attorney's Office who has egg on their face. It's also the Superior Court of Clayton County for signing an order that obviously no one had ever read and checked up on. How the legal community deals with AI, that's an unknown. It's obvious that there's immense savings and efficiencies created by the appropriate use of AI, but allowing AI to just move forward unchecked results in disaster because the technology is nowhere close to perfect.

[00:39:23]So now Payne's case returns to the lower court where the Clayton County DA's office will need to write a new and factual argument before the uh state before the state supreme court could hear Payne's appeal. We did reach out to the Clayton DA's office today and Hannah Payne's new attorney for comment and so far have not heard back. Reporting live from the Georgia Supreme Court, Chelsea Vine for Atlanta News.

[00:39:54]So there you go. You just Here's the thing.

[00:39:58]If you use AI at all and it gives you like a fact, what you need to do is you need to tell AI, I need the link to where you got that fact and then you need to check it. That's all AI. You can still use it for great. It's great for research. It's great for gathering information, but you need to do the work to find out if that information is correct. Let's let's try an experiment here. I have chat GBT. Okay, I call it Chatty.

[00:40:28]And uh I'm going to say Oh, no. Hey, you know what? There. Here you go. I'm going to type something here. I'm going to say, "Hi, Chatty.

[00:40:37]Hi, Chatty.

[00:40:39]Can you please, and I don't know why I'm polite to a machine, but I am. Can you please find a bunch of examples where a I made up court cases that were used in court briefs.

[00:41:06]Thank you for your help.

[00:41:09]When there is a uh robot uprising, remember I was nice to you. That's what I'm really putting. I was nice to you. Now, let's see how it responds to this.

[00:41:29]It's thinking. It's thinking.

[00:41:35]Absolutely. There are many document documented cases where lawyers used AI tools like chat GBT and ended up filing court briefs containing completely false court cases, false fake quotes or citations that never existed. Judges are getting furious about it. Here are some of the biggest and wildest examples. And then it gives me a big list. Um well, it's got and then I'm going to go over this list here in just a moment.

[00:41:59]And then it writes at the end. And yes, when the robot uprising comes, I'll put in a good word for you. Leave Trisha alone. She provided snacks and emotional support.

[00:42:10]Now, you know what? If I wasn't completely mentally stable, perfectly mentally stable as I am, I might look at this and say, gosh, this is a human.

[00:42:20]This person could be my friend. I'm joking about being mentally stable. But let's see if if some of this is true.

[00:42:27]Mata versus uh Aviankca, the case that shocked the legal world. This is the most famous one that started the public panic. Two New York lawyers filed a brief containing six completely madeup court cases generated by Chat GBT. The AI even invented quotes and legal rulings. When the judge asked for copies of the cases, the lawyer submitted more fake material because chat GBT kept insisting the cases were real. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to look up Mata versus uh is it Aviana? Not sure how that is pronounced, but let's see what happens when I put that into a search and see if that story comes up.

[00:43:16]Let's see. I'm going look at news.

[00:43:19]Yes, that absolutely is true.

[00:43:22]that that's that was the big case that uh kind of started it all. So, that got it right. And anyway, it lists a whole bunch of other cases. Now, that's good.

[00:43:31]Okay, you see how I did that? I I've got a whole bunch of cases now, but I need to look up every one of those cases and make sure that that is correct, that what they said was correct. It takes just a simple little Google search. But what AI is good for is rounding up all of those cases for me. So I don't have to sit there and do searches over and over and over to try and find them.

[00:43:56]So yeah, so this is this is crazy. Let's see here. What is it? What are people saying?

[00:44:05]Um Jeannie Fipp says, "My daughter is an attorney and has caught several mistakes made by AI when citing legal cases."

[00:44:12]Again, it's great for to get the start of your research going. You just have to check it. Uh, you know, like when I do um I do this thing, I try and do it every day. Sometimes I forget where I do this day in history for a little what's called the daily thread in a private area on webs.com.

[00:44:34]And uh I can't tell you how many times it gives me a list of things that happened on this date and I'll look it up and it's not even close to the date that they say it happened. It's constant, but it's not anything really important. So I could spend a lot of time fixing it or I could just say this is AI. Take it or leave it. It might be right. It might not be. And the funny thing is when I do give me a list of this date in history, it will start at like 1492 and then end at 2013 like nothing else happened after 2013. And I asked it, I said, "Chatty, why did you end at 2013?"

[00:45:14]And it'll come back and say, "You're right, Trisha. I should go I should go further. Please forgive me." And then I think this is not a person. You don't have to be polite. You don't need to say thank you. Anyway, you just have to learn that chat GBT or AI artificial intelligence can be your friend. But because of and I do not understand this, I guess these data centers use so much water to cool the machines that it creates it's creating a a a hazard on the planet Earth. Again, don't understand it, but we have to be very very very careful with AI. Very careful.

[00:45:55]So, hi Lindy too. Good to see you my dear.

[00:46:00]Yeah, for micro trips. Fantastic.

[00:46:12]That's right. Kelly J says, "I love the meme that says, "You better stay healthy. Medical students and future doctors are all using chat GBT." And they are, but again, you just have to use it properly. Don't depend on it especially for important things. Use it as a tool to start your research. That's all you need to do. And you see the first case that we talked about, what chat GBT did was it kept insisting it was real and then it would come up with more fake cases to back up the fact that that case was real. What they should have done is gone to the law books and looked up these cases. Very simple to do. by law books. I mean, you can lit literally get a law book and look it up or you can go online and look up the case and no, apparently those lawyers never thought to do that and it just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. So, there you go. Thank Mad Magcoo. Oh, so good to see you, Mad Magcoo. That's right. It's a stepping stone, not a platform. Absolutely right. So, okay.

[00:47:18]Um, I think that's it everybody. We have been going not quite an hour. Again, kind of short tonight, but I'm I'm doing a little shorter live streams because I do have a lot of work to get caught up on. And um it's it's all good. It's all good. We are going to uh focus on the book club book of the month called Down the Hill by Susan Hendricks. It's right here behind me. You can kind of see it right there. It's hard to point. There we go. And uh we'll probably talk about that tomorrow night. So, I hope you've got the book. I'll put the link to the book club in the description. We'll put all the links in there. And everybody, please make sure you are subscribed. For some reason, YouTube is unsubscribing people right and left to our channel.

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