Citizens have the constitutional right to request law enforcement officers' names and badge numbers during interactions, and officers must have reasonable articulable suspicion of criminal activity before demanding identification; signing the back of a driver's license does not grant officers the authority to demand identification at any time or without cause.
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help you with something.
>> Can I get your name and badge number, please?
>> No, you cannot.
>> Why can't I get your name and badge number?
>> Why are you walking around filming? This is a restricted area. If you have a Georgia driver's license or any driver's license in the United States of America and it's signed on the back, you're saying when you sign this, if an officer asks you for it, you're going to produce it.
>> That's not That's not true at all.
That's That is false.
>> I have a complaint against some GBI agents.
>> Okay. All right. Come on out.
>> Is that funny?
Hey, what's up guys? Long Island Auto Clips back to another one. So, check this out. I'm in Rome, Georgia, public parking garage, just walking around looking at police cars. Uh, 3GBI agents roll up on me. Won't tell me their names. Won't show their badges. Then, one of them actually tells me that because I signed the back of my driver's license, I have to hand it over whenever a cop asks, "Watch this.
>> How you doing? Can we help?"
>> Good. How are you >> doing? Well, how are you?
>> Can I help you with something?
>> Can I get your name and badge number, please?
>> No, you cannot.
>> Why can't I get your name and badge number?
>> Why are you walking around filming? This is a restricted area.
>> No, it's not.
>> Can I get your name and badge number?
>> No, sir. You may not.
>> Can I get your name and badge number, sir?
>> No.
>> I can't get either of your name and badge numbers.
>> No, I know what you're here for.
>> So, then we're done talking.
>> Okay.
>> Can I get Can I get your name and badge number, ma'am?
>> No, I can't.
>> So, none of you want to give me your name and badge number?
>> No, sir. How do I know you're really police officers?
>> Well, you're standing in the police department parking lot.
>> Is a public This is a public parking lot.
>> Police vehicle.
>> This is a public parking lot.
>> Okay.
>> Public.
>> You have business here at the police department?
>> I do have business.
>> Okay.
>> This is a public parking lot. You clearly marked the areas that are restricted with restricted signs.
Haven't gone in any of those areas.
>> Okay. So, you refusing to leave the area. Do you have any identification?
>> Do you suspect me of committing a crime?
>> You have any identification? Do you have driver's license signed on the back of it?
>> Unless you have reasonable articulable suspicion >> with your signature on >> Unless you have Unless you have reasonable articulable suspicion that I've committed a crime.
>> Okay. Well, the suspicion is you're walking around in an area feeling police.
>> Is that a crime?
>> It's suspicious.
>> You need reasonable suspicion of a crime.
>> Okay.
>> That's the statute in Alabama, sir.
>> This is Georgia.
>> I mean Georgia. That's the statute in Georgia. Excuse me.
So, do you have a driver's license?
>> Do you have reasonable articulable suspicion I've committed a crime?
>> Well, so I'm going to So, without going any further, if you have a Georgia driver's license or any driver's license in the United States of America and it's signed on the back, you're saying when you sign this, if an officer asks you for it, you're going to produce it.
>> That's not That's not true at all.
That's That is false.
>> That's false because I know my rights and I know the law.
>> Okay.
>> Obviously, you don't.
>> Okay.
>> Signing the back of your driver's license, whatever that means, does not mean that you can come up to me at any time you want. I can come up to you anytime I want.
>> You can. You can.
>> It's called a tier one encounter.
>> Okay. Are you detaining me?
>> No. Free to leave. Right.
>> Tier one encounters aren't detained, sir. It's just verbal like what we're doing right now.
>> I understand. But you should be professional enough to identify yourself to the member of a public, >> but be professional and identify yourself. That's it. You're a public ser You're a public servant. I'm sure your policy at the Rome Police Department is to identify yourself. Can I speak to a supervisor?
>> Sure.
>> I'd like to speak to a supervisor. Don't call 911.
>> I'm asking you, this is a tier one encounter. I'm asking you1. You can ask for >> I'm asking you to call supervisor to the scene >> because you're escalating a situation that doesn't need to be escalated. You don't know the law and neither do you.
>> Reasonable spec suspicion of a crime.
That's when you can demand ID. Other than that, I'm a free citizen. I can do whatever I'd like.
>> Once again, you're going up to cars and filming the inside of those cars.
Is that a crime?
>> You are in a restricted area interfering with government fraud.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. That's not a crime.
>> You are interfering with government, >> but it's not a crime.
>> It's not a crime.
>> You're not You're not >> You're not suspicion enforcement. You're law enforcement. I understand you coming up to me and talking to me, but it would have deescalated the situation even better if you would have identified yourself properly to a member of the public. By you just all of you saying starting with you, you're not getting my name and badge number. That's escalating a situation higher than it needs to be.
>> You ask me about how am I supposed to hold you accountable? How am I supposed to hold you accountable? I have no idea who you are. I have no idea who you are.
>> Badge on my shirt. I have no >> the badge on my belt on your belt >> because you identified me as a law enforcement officer.
>> I need to know who you are. Who you are?
>> Okay. I am a law enforcement officer.
>> Who? Who are you? What? Who are you?
What is your name and your badge number so I can hold you accountable?
>> Your concern.
>> It's not my concern.
>> Like I said, you can contact 911 and request a supervisor come over here and you can speak to them. I would like a supervisor to come here to educate you guys because obviously you think you can identify anybody who you want for any given reason because because of a license.
>> You're asking for my identification >> because you are the public servant. I am not. You work for the public.
>> You work for the public. It is your policy to identify yourself to the public. You are in violation of your departmental policy as we speak.
>> You don't even know what my policy is.
>> I do know your policy because I looked it up before I came here. Your policy is to identify yourself to the public for it doesn't matter. First of all, it's just being professional.
>> Well, so if somebody comes to you politely and ask you for identification, >> I will give you my identification. You give me your driver's license.
>> Okay, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll tell you my name if you'll tell me your name.
>> You're the public servant here. I'm not going to play these games with you. I just told you give me Yo, you're the one playing games.
>> Let me tell you, if you came in here and you're doing this to draw attention to yourself, >> I didn't draw attention to nothing. You came up to me You don't want you don't want to you don't want to identify yourself. That's escalating the situation. You could have said, "Hi, nice to meet you. My name is Officer Smith, badge number 222."
>> My name is Agent Jones.
>> Agent Jones 148.
>> Great. That's great.
>> Okay, so the big >> Agent Jones, you need to learn the law of your state.
>> Police cars in here. And it's just kind of suspicious when you're filming inside police cars because there's restricted information in these cars. It is kind of a normal reasonable person would not do that. Is it fair to say that?
Why would you leave your Why would you leave a computer on in your car in in in the >> I didn't say a computer. Where did you see a computer on?
>> What sensitive information could I get from looking inside of a police car that I that my tax dollars help fund? I'm checking out the police car.
>> The biggest part of a police car that most people see the front part of it, there's a lot of stuff up there, right?
>> I'm just checking out a police car that my tax dollars help fund. That's it.
>> I tell you what, if you want to look inside a police car, we can let you look inside one if that's what you like.
>> But you're you're giving me a hard time for even looking out inside of one. just the way you're going about doing it. So, like if you were doing this out like in a subdivision just kind of looking around houses and stuff like that, even from the sidewalk and you're not from that area, it draws attention and that's kind of what this is public. This is public. That's fine. It's public. But the police cars are public.
>> You have restricted. Do you see that fence over there? That's a restricted area, right? That fence right there.
That's >> That is a cuz it says restricted on the outside. So, my point is if you if you have a restricted area and you don't want people looking in your cars, put the cars in the restricted area and I won't go and look at them. I was just checking them out because I've never been to Rome before. I'm looking at the police cars. That's it.
>> There's nothing there's nothing wrong with looking at the police police cars.
>> So, I tell you what >> I told you.
>> Is that what you tell everybody that you have because they signed the back of their driver's license? Can I?
>> So, so most of the time when you when you're dealing with people and an officer asking you for driver's license, >> that's what you're going to do. And also, it says you're going to hear to the laws of the state of Georgia when you sign the back of your license.
Correct. Is that what that says?
>> I I all I know is that you don't that it doesn't tell you doesn't give you the right to identify whoever you choose, especially when you didn't even want to identify yourself to me.
>> All right. Well, sir, I don't know who you are. I hope you have a good day.
>> Yeah. You're probably agent. You're probably going to have other people come up and talk to you if you around police.
>> Why don't you let them know that I'm not doing anything wrong or or I'm not doing anything illegal?
>> You're not from Rome. Where are you from?
>> I'm not doing anything illegal, sir.
>> That's fine. I'm just person to person.
>> Please go back. Please go about your day, please.
>> I am. This is a public area, right? I can hang out here all I want.
>> Okay, great.
>> Didn't want to provide a supervisor.
Didn't want to identify yourself. You guys are class acts here. Really professional. Really professional.
That's how you deal with a member of the public, right?
>> That's how you deal with the member of the public. Right.
>> As promised, we are at the Georgia Bureau of Investigation here in Atlanta, Georgia. We are here to submit complaints against the three GBI agents that confronted me yesterday in the parking garage at the law enforcement center in Rome, Georgia. completely unprofessional behavior by all three.
Wouldn't identify themselves, escalated the situation. And Agent Jones, shame on you for trying to pedal that false information that because we sign our driver's license, we have to identify ourselves and hand it over to a law enforcement officer whenever they demand it. That's dangerous. He's a danger to the community. Let's see what we can do.
Let's talk to somebody here. Let's get into it.
>> How you doing? Um, I need to speak to a supervisor for I want to make a complaint against some GBI agents.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's fine.
Okay.
>> I didn't know what sir.
Okay. So, you need to make a complaint against a GBI agent.
>> Yes. Correct.
>> Okay. Where you from?
>> What? What does it matter where I'm from? I just want to speak to a supervisor.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I I got this. This is the admin building here. I need to send you to the office where the GDI is here. This is the admin here.
>> Okay.
>> We got the investigator office is over in car.
>> Where is it?
>> Conor.
>> Conor.
>> Yeah. I give you a phone. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I give you a phone number. This the administrative building here.
>> Okay. Okay. So, you can't make complaints against GBI agents here?
>> I don't know.
>> Can Can you call Can you call a supervisor and ask them?
>> Yeah. Yeah. They'll be hold >> Yeah, sure. No, no problem.
>> Okay.
>> You You're not filming in here, are you?
>> Are you filming?
>> Yeah, I'm taking some I'm taking video.
Correct.
>> No, no, sir. You can't do that. You're going to have to step outside.
>> You can't film inside.
>> Why would I Why would I need to step outside? This is a public lobby.
>> No. No, you cannot film in here.
>> Why would that be?
>> Well, I don't have the the instruction, but we can get the instruction. I >> I'm positive that I can film in a public lobby.
>> Okay. Okay. Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, you cannot film inside.
>> I can film in a public lobby, sir. This is a public lobby.
>> Okay.
open to the public.
>> Hey, I understand what you're saying to me, but I know what been put out to us in the legal department put out to us.
You cannot film inside.
>> Maybe in a restricted area probably >> restricted area. You going to have have she signed on the door. So, you have appointment here. So, >> I just I mean, if you're going to call somebody, just call supervisor and I'll speak to them. I'll speak to them outside.
>> She said she going to send someone out.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. And I'll speak to them outside. That's not a problem. I don't care.
>> Okay. Yeah. But you can't have that on now. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
>> I'd rather just wait. It's just for my protection. Just for my protection.
That's all. It's for my protection.
Transparency and accountability. That's all it is.
>> Hey. Well, you know, >> it's not against the law. I know that.
>> Oh, >> it's not against the law.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't break the law, sir.
>> Okay. Okay. Here. Uh, yes, ma'am. Here you go. He got a video on here.
>> Hi, ma'am. How are you?
>> Good.
>> Yeah, you can't film in here.
>> Would you like to talk to me outside then?
>> Cuz I need to speak to a supervisor.
>> What do you need to speak to a supervisor about?
>> I have a complaint against some GBI agents.
>> Okay. All right. Come on out.
>> Is that funny?
>> No.
Is there a reason why you need to do it out here and on recording?
>> Um, just for transparency, cuz when I was recording last time with the GBI agents first, can I get your name and badge number?
>> Uh, yeah. Cynthia Atkins, badge number five.
>> Okay. And are you a supervisor with the GPI?
>> I am.
>> Okay. What was your What was your title?
>> Inspector.
>> Inspector. Thank you. Inspector. So, I was filming at the Rome Law Enforcement Center in Rome, Georgia.
>> Law enforcement center.
>> It's a law enforcement. That's what it's called. The law enforcement center in Rome.
>> The police department or the sheriff?
>> Yeah, it's it's it's the police department, I believe. But I believe it's also like for the county. Um, some law enforcement center. That's what it says. I'm not familiar. I was just taking some pictures and video over there >> and I believe the GBI there was I believe there was in some type of meeting >> at this uh specific location and I was taking some pictures and video in the parking garage and you know outside of the building in publicly accessible areas and three GBI agents came up to me and said what are you doing started questioning me I told them I'm an independent journalist just taking some pictures and video nothing uh nothing crazy and I said can I get the same way I asked you can I get your badge number, sir. They flipped their badge around, the like the one you have hanging from your chest right there. They flipped it around so I couldn't see it >> and refused to identify themselves to me. They said, "I'm not identifying myself to you. Please, can I get your name in badge number so I know who I'm talking to?" They wouldn't identify themselves. Uh, a GBI agent told me, "Where's Give me your ID right now because you're being suspicious." I said, "Sir, in in in the state of Georgia, in order to identify somebody, you need reasonable, articulable suspicion that a crime is being committed. So, what what crime do you suspect me of committing?" And he said, and I quote, "Because I signed my driver's license, because I have a signed driver's license, that that gives law enforcement the right to demand ID from anybody who is from anybody just because you sign your driver's license."
Mhm.
>> I said, "Sir, that's that's really scary information because that's just not >> the sun that in my face. Sorry.
>> It's okay. I'm that's not that's not accurate, you know, and if you're telling that to citizens, he eventually there was three of them, three GBI agents.
>> Two of them never identified themselves to me. I believe somebody told them to just >> go away and they left. One of them did.
The one that said that anybody who signs their driver's license has to give it to a law enforcement at any time or or they can be subject to arrest.
>> Right.
>> I said, "That's bad information, sir.
And if you're pedalling that to the public, somebody who doesn't know their rights, that can be dangerous >> because you would be violating their fourth amendment right of seizing their identity.
>> And he said, "My name's Agent Jones, badge number 148." So I wanted to just submit a complaint. Maybe we can get some further education at the GBI on, you know, properly identifying somebody that is not engaged in any criminal activity. In fact, I was engaged in a constitutionally protected activity at the time.
>> Okay. What was the date of it? I didn't bring I didn't I didn't know that that was what you were doing. So I don't have any paper with me. So normally I would write this stuff down. Um so >> I mean if you have an email I can email you the video. There was just very unprofessional and and >> that's fine.
>> They they they escalated they escalated the situation. Again >> I'm sure at the GBI you have a policy of identifying yourself >> to members of the public when when asked.
>> And again they all refused cuz how do I hold them accountable? Now it's now instead of that's the whole point of identifying yourself to the public cuz if they would have done something you know illegal towards me or you know violated my rights I have no way of knowing who they are and by them turning their badge around and not not refusing to identify themselves. I don't even know if Agent Jones is really that's his real name or not. You know that's what he told me. He said badge number 148.
The other two would not identify themselves. It's all on video. And again, I think that's very dangerous information that one of your agents is pedalling to the public, saying just because you sign your driver's license, you're signing away your Fourth Amendment right to not be to have your identity seized just when you're engaged in a lawful activity.
>> I've read the I've read the Georgia, you know, stop an ID statute. If you have reasonable suspicion that I'm engaging in in a crime, right, >> yeah, you can identify you can identify identification. Correct.
>> Exactly. And and if I don't, I'll be charged with failure to identify. But he he said, "You're just suspicious." And I'm like, "Well, being suspicious is very subjective, sir." And but again, I think it's very dangerous that a law enforcement officer, especially one with the GBI, would think that just signing an ID is something that grants him a right to identify anybody cuz he could be using that in any situation where people aren't, you know, very well aware of their rights or anything like that.
And, you know, that could be a problem.
And again, his name was agent uh Jones and he said his badge number was 148.
>> And this this occurred yesterday around at around five o'clock.
>> Okay. So, we can do two things. I can give you just my email address and you can send me the video and if you'll put in the the agent's name and the badge number, then I can look into the complaint. Okay?
>> Or if you would like to stop the recording, we can go inside and I can write it down. It's whichever one you would like to do, whatever's easiest for you. Um, I I would rather I'm not going to I didn't know that you can't film in there. I mean, it's a publicly accessible area. I didn't know. But, you know, I don't think that the lobby >> Well, it's it's publicly accessible because we allow people to come in instead of using the intercom and having to explain why you're here. But, it's actually by appointment only. Okay. So, you can come in, but >> Yeah. No, the the reason is >> we could lock the doors and make everyone do the intercom, but it's easier for us to let people into the lobby, but we don't allow recording inside of our lobby.
>> Okay. And the reason the re I don't see why that would be. But again, it's it's okay.
>> I'm not here for that.
>> I'm I'm here to just lodge a complaint against three of these agents. And again, I don't know their I don't know who the other two didn't identify themselves to me.
>> So, I have no idea who they are. But maybe, you know, when I send you the video, I >> I'd be able to identify for the video.
>> I'm not I'm not going to I'm not going to uh I'm not going to go inside and and, you know, turn off my camera just for not not personal against you. It's just, you know, transparency and accountability. I'm not going to do that. So, if that's not possible and you're not going to allow me to do that, then I would prefer to get your email and I'll email you >> um a summary >> of what happened. Um and I'll email you a copy of the video as well.
>> That'd be perfect. You want to write it down or you want me to say it in >> I mean, you could just say it or you could write it down or give me a card or >> I don't have anything on me. I didn't I didn't come prepared for uh for for standing out here and doing that. So, >> okay, that's fine. I mean, you could just tell me then.
>> Okay. So, my first name is Cynthia. C Y N T H I A. My last name is Atkins. A D K I Ns. So my email address is going to be Cynthia.
Atkins GBI.Gga.gov.
>> Got it.
>> Okay. So it's my first and last name with a dot >> and then at gbi.ga.gov.
>> GBI.Gga.gov.
Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you, Inspector.
>> Uhhuh. Absolutely.
>> I appreciate it.
>> Absolutely. And then if you need to call contact me, it's 404-270-8805.
It feels weird just to say that write it down.
>> I I understand. I mean, I would have welcomed you to, you know, give me a card or something, but you don't have it. Obviously, >> I don't have I didn't I didn't come prepared with that. They just said they said somebody they said somebody in the lobby needs somebody, so I just came out.
>> Oh, okay. And and do you what um what division do you work for?
>> Investigative division.
>> Investigative division. Do is there like a professional standards or an internal affairs division here?
>> Um we have an uh we do have internal affairs.
>> Okay.
>> Mhm.
>> And and you would forward that to them.
>> Correct.
>> Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure I was talking to the right person or you know it's going to go to the right place >> because like I said is it the is it something that you know did they you know put hands on me or do anything like that? No, they didn't do any of that again. But I think it's very dangerous, you know, the incorrect information that a law enforcement officer would put out there and just the form that they treat the manner that they treated me was, you know, I'm becoming of a law enforcement officer supposed to be professional peacekeepers, right?
>> And you know, they weren't trying to keep any peace and again they wouldn't identify themselves. To your knowledge, >> when a member of the public acts a GBI agent to identify themselves, is it uh department policy to identify yourself to the public? I mean, it's not department policy, but we don't there should never be a reason for us not to give that information. I mean, they're not obviously if they were in some kind of a uniform, they're not in undercover capacity. So, um I'm not saying it's written down in a policy, but >> Okay. There's nothing that I do on a daily basis that if somebody asked me for my name and my badge number, I have no reason to.
>> Exactly. But it's all public information anyway. So, and my last question to you before I let you go is um if I wanted to do a uh >> an open records request, >> like say for your policies and procedures here at the GBI, how would I go about doing that?
>> Um you actually send it to an email address for our open records. And so when I get uh when I get your email, I can actually put the I can reply back with that email address. I don't know it off the top of my head.
>> It's okay.
>> I want to say it's like open records at gbi.ga.gov, but don't hold me to that. I don't I don't email it all the time, so I I appreciate your time here in >> I could give it to you though.
>> Thank you. I I'll send you that email later today.
>> All right. What was your name again?
>> My name is Sean.
>> Sean. Okay. All right. Thank you. It was nice to meet you.
>> Thank you, Inspector.
>> Have a good day.
>> Have a good day, sir.
>> All right, buddy. Make sure you get my good side. Okay.
>> I know. Be spinty.
>> I hope you don't have a bad side. Have something about
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