In criminal investigations, jurisdictional conflicts between local law enforcement and federal agencies can significantly impact case outcomes, as demonstrated by the FBI director's criticism of the Pima County Sheriff for keeping federal agents out of the Nancy Guthrie case for four days and sending DNA to a private Florida lab instead of the FBI's Quantico lab, which could have processed it in days.
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What to do? Um, so what are you guys thinking about the uh Nancy Guthrie case?
Quite uh a conundrum.
Quite a conundrum, don't you think?
We've got the FBI direct director calling out the sheriff.
We have some people that want to You're not getting another one. Um, kill your snake. OJ, you know I'm busy. Um, we have the a lot of people in Tucson wanting to recall the sheriff. I know a lot of people say, "Well, just fire him.
Just fire him. You can't recall an elected official. And I don't know if you can impeach a sheriff.
It is crazy. Here's the word on the street. I'll get to it in a second.
First, let's tell everybody happy baby Friday. TG it.
All right. So, here's the headlines just from yesterday. Experts analyze theories in Nancy Guthri's abduction case.
Um, Style Caster. That's probably um probably fake news. Savannah still believes Nancy can be found as her mom's suspect's name is finally identified.
Really? Well, who is it?
Who is it? Who is the suspect?
Okay, so we know she's the Today's Show host.
Savannah is paying whatever it takes to keep this search active. She doesn't need to. She doesn't need to. There's plenty of money. And Senator Mark Kelly, I hope is working behind the scenes. I'm not about to say he's not doing anything, but he's very good friends with Savannah and he obviously knows his way around Washington in the inner workings of Arizona.
Um, I think he could be making a push.
The problem is is the sheriff is what I'm understanding.
Um, so she has formed a team of private investigators.
Okay. Nothing in this article is going to give you the name of a suspect. They could possibly have a suspect's name. They're just not putting it out.
Nanos, or as Jules calls him, Sheriff No News, told People when asked if he was in touch with the Guthrie family, he said, "I personally am not.
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Savannah reportedly hires private investigator investigators. She has a bunch. Significant motives. Nancy Guthrie case. Cop details why she may have known her kidnapper. We've asked that for we've asked that for almost four months. Did she know who did this?
Did she know the person?
Um, behavioral analysts believe she is not alive and they believe the kidnapper may not be alive either. We got Dolly going down to Mexico. I'm surprised JLR is not there. Dolly talking about how he's going to fit in with the cartels cuz he's tan right now.
Not a good idea.
Okay, your Virginia accent's going to give you away real quick if you go clicking around with the cartel. And how did the cartel get brought into this in the first place? I don't know. But what the FBI director said, woo, if I was Savannah and Annie and Beard and her brother, whatever his name is, I can't remember. Anyone in the family.
Oh, OJ, what is wrong with you today?
Dolly, you don't need to mess with the clutch out. Stop. You've already had enough snacks. This is getting ridiculous around here. Ridiculous behavior from J.
Don't you think Nancy Guthrie deserves a little bit more respect than what you're doing?
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[ __ ] Let's just get to the show. He's not going to stop.
All right. This is Cash Patel talking to Sean Hannity a couple of weeks ago and he's explaining why the FBI isn't doing as much as people expect them to do. It's um pretty overwhelming what he said.
>> One thing I want to ask you is about in the Nancy Guthrie case. I'm I got frustrated because I knew from my sources they were trying to keep you guys out.
>> They did.
>> They did keep you out. Mhm.
Okay, listen to what he said.
They were trying to ice you out. No pun intended. He goes, "They did.
They did." Now, that would alert some people to Is it an inside job?
Inside as in the family? I don't know.
inside as in the police department because they have that big show on A&E.
I don't know if there is any cartel involvement. The first people on the scene should be the FBI.
Listen again. He said they did.
>> No, one thing I want to ask you is about in the Nancy Guthrie case. I'm I got frustrated because I knew from my sources they were trying to keep you guys out.
>> They did.
>> They did keep you out.
>> And look, here's here's how >> matters in an investigation.
>> The first 48 hours of anyone's disappearance are the most critical. And here's how these cases works. It is a state matter. It's a state and local law enforcement matter. What we the FBI do is say, "Hey, we're here to help. What do you need? What can we do?" And for four days, we were kept out of the investigation. And when we were finally let in, Sean, look what we did. We went in and got the Ring doorbell and we said, "Hey, is anyone talking to Google?" I called the leadership at Google and I said, "Look, we know that there was not a subscription service to capture all of the data that would have been captured had there been a subscription service. But can we go into the cache? Can we go into the data before it's deleted and see what we can find?" That's why you have that image because the FBI worked with Google to put that image out. Another thing we asked to do, >> you guys got that tape which was the biggest breakthrough during that case.
>> We could have gotten it days before. We could have also maybe gotten more data had we >> Why didn't Why wouldn't they want your help? Why did they send the DNA to a lab in Florida?
>> Sean is asking, excuse me, I need to get a bottle of water. Sean is asking the exact same questions we've been asking. Why would you send the DNA to some place in Florida when the FBI wouldn't have cost you anything? Cuz it would be federal money.
Federal still money is paid to take care of it in Quantico.
Why were they keeping the FBI out?
You know there's an abduction. you know, you're an hour from Mexico, you might need their help. And now we're 4 months in and you can't find an 84 year old woman.
You can't >> not quant.
>> That's the other thing that you hit on, right? Again, we were saying we'll process it. I we I launched hundreds of agents and intel staff to Phoenix in Tucson just for this case, just to be on stand, just to do the canvasing. And we said, "We'll take the DNA." And again, it's a state and local matter. So, it's their call on where to send the DNA. We have Quantico, best lab in the world. I had a I had a fixed wing aircraft on the ground ready to move it immediately through the night.
>> Did they just say no?
>> And they said, "We're sending it to Florida." And and then I don't know.
They have jurisdiction, so it's their call. So, >> bad call.
>> Well, that's for the American public to decide. And what we can do is continue to offer support. we would have analyzed it within days and maybe gotten better information or more information. Our lab's just better than any other private lab out there and we didn't get a chance to do that. So, I I understand everybody's frustrations um on that.
>> No, I'm not frustrated with you. I'm frustrated that they if I was a sheriff and you the FBI was willing to help me and time is of the essence, I would want I'd want all the help I can get. Okay.
Let me ask you about this. Um, and I think this is really important.
You're going to hate me, but I'm obsessed with it. Um, so I really the JFK files, some have been released.
>> Okay, the show is not about JFK. You get the point. You smell what he's stepping in. They kept us out. It is state and local jurisdiction. We're just like, "What do you need? What can we do to help? We can analyze it. We can take we can unbburden you from all of this really." And it was a it was a no-go.
I really think that the sheriff really botched this. And you know, Brian Nittton has talked to him several times and it's like I'm out just said, is it ego, ignorance, arrogance, um, power trip? What do we have going on here that he won't let the top cops in the country with better equipment, better intel, better labs help find this woman?
And if it turns out that he's got some sort of political thing going on, well then he shouldn't be in office. Okay.
He just shouldn't be.
He just shouldn't be.
He should not hold. He should not be the sheriff if that's if he botches a case because of someone's political leanings.
>> Thanks so much for checking out my show.
Really, really appreciate it. Uh please click to subscribe. I really appreciate all the support. It's now been 104 days since Nancy Guthrie vanished from her home in Tucson, Arizona. Uh, new in this episode, there's a new interview with the sheriff where he shares some new information. First of all, he says uh that he's no longer communicating with the Guthrie family directly, which I found to be interesting. Also, why he still has hope in the DNA evidence and what for him would make this a cold case, which is the first time I've ever heard him really talk about the possibility of a cold case. Uh, I'm gonna get into all of it in this episode of Brian Anton Investigates. All right.
Hey guys. Uh, so I want to go through some of these new things that Sheriff Nanos uh said. He was speaking to People magazine. I actually know the reporter.
I met her when I was out there. She was also out there for a couple weeks uh right after Nancy went missing.
>> Well, I tell you what, that sheriff loves talking to People magazine, does he not? He loves talking to Newsweek. He loves talking to the magazines. He does.
He absolutely loves it. If the FBI director wants to go on um the news, which he's on the news all the time, and answer a simple question, which is why didn't they let you help?
I don't know. But I can tell you right now, after this came out, all communication was stopped between the family and the sheriff's department. Not good, Nanos. not good.
>> Um, and some of the stuff is interesting. I mean, this is there's some new developments here. And that's the thing about Sheriff Nanos that I've found is, you know, when you when you can talk to him, if he'll answer his phone or whatever, sometimes he'll just start talking and he'll start saying things and you're like, "Oh, wow. Some of this stuff is new." Which seems like it's kind of what happened here with this People magazine interview. Uh, so I'm going to get to Morgan Wright, uh, former investigator and law enforcement expert in a minute to kind of go over what some of this means. Uh, but let me walk you through some of this. This stood out to me the most. Um, according to People magazine and their their discussion with the sheriff, he is no longer directly communicating with the Guthrie family and says those conversations are being handled by the FBI.
Uh, which is interesting because remember initially uh it it it appeared that he was having communication with Savannah and with the Guthrie family and he is technically in charge of the investigation still as the sheriff of Puma County. remember it was never handed over to the FBI. So the fact that he is acknowledging that he is no longer directly communicating with the Guthrie family and says those conversations are being handled by the Connie. Actually, you're way early because today's Thursday. That tells me you've been super busy this week.
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>> The FBI. You know, there's there's been a lot of curiosity. Is Savannah Guthrie are are the Guthri getting frustrated with the sheriff based on all of this reporting that that that's been out there that I've done that's been out there? Um mistakes that have been made.
Could they be frustrated? uh or were they still talking to him and happy behind the scenes? And it sounds like they're according to the sheriff no longer directly communicating with the sheriff. So, I found that to be very interesting and that is something new that I didn't know. Uh he said, quote, and this is the sheriff, the public is frustrated, even the Guthrie family. So, they're also acknowledging that the Guthrie family is frustrated, which how can you blame them? I mean, I think that even though they haven't said that outright, um how could you how could they not be frustrated? I mean, it's now been more than three months. Uh, and they still have no resolution. They have no idea where Nancy is. Um, and, uh, at the same time, there's sort of this controversy that continues to develop around the sheriff throughout this whole thing. So, there he's acknowledging the public is frustrated. Even the Guthrie family is frustrated. Um, every passing second must feel like a 100 days because they don't know. What matters is moving forward carefully so we don't make any mistakes or falsely accuse somebody or make a bad arrest.
Interesting you said that because remember when I was there uh there were two times where they they didn't specifically fall.
>> Okay. I'm not going to let Brian News daddy complete his sentence because I'm going to do it for you. They've already made bad arrests. Okay.
I'm not saying that impounding NY's car was wrong. I think it should have been done from the start. I don't think that impounding Annie's car was wrong.
Nancy was in the car the night of her disappearance. Searching Annie's house, I don't see anything wrong with that.
NY's house, that's a given. They stopped the crime scene real quick. Then they put it back up.
They did.
Tape down. Tape up. Tape down. Tape up.
You know, that behavior made it hard for News Daddy to even digest his pancakes.
He was very upset about that.
Mostly accused someone, but they detained people the time in Rio Rico and then the time close to NY's house. So, he's saying that they don't want to make mistakes like that again, I guess. But interesting that he's saying that even the Guthrie family is frustrated. That's new. In terms of DNA, this is new. This is what he said. I know we have DNA that is unknown who the contributor or depositor is, but I think they're getting closer to finding out who that was, adding that he has confidence in our lab. So, the fact that he said they are getting closer to finding out who that was, that's optimistic, that's promising. I mean, I hope that's true behind the scenes. We know that they had the >> obviously the DNA that they have didn't hit the KODS system. So this is someone who is not in the KODS system. My question is why didn't you just give it to Quantico right off the bat? because they can actually go through the ancestry files.
Why didn't they do that? Now, if they decide, well, we can't find out who this is. Now, that's a different that's a totally different hoop. Just use the FBI and be done with it. And hey, sheriff, if it doesn't work out, you can easily say it was the FBI's fault. Happens quite a bit.
uh hair strand um that they were looking at the rootless hair uh and that they were attempting to do genetic uh genealogy, investigative genetic genealogy when they look at bigger family trees and try to narrow it down.
So that's promising that he said that he thinks they're getting closer to finding out who that was. He says when the labs tell us, hey, there's nothing else we can do, well then maybe we've got a problem. We've got a cold case. But right now the labs aren't telling us that.
interesting to hear him actually say cold case that then he believes they'd have a cold case. Um gosh, I hope it doesn't get to that point, but that just goes back to everything that I've been reporting from my sources close to the investigation who have said that, you know, they're waiting on this DNA, but there's really not a lot that they're going on right now. They don't have a suspect. They don't have any solid leads. And he's kind of acknowledging that right now.
They're waiting on the DNA. And if >> no suspect, so obviously that was fake news. Good morning, Holly. Um, still waiting on the DNA. All right, just take it out of that lab that you sent it to.
Send it to Quantico and let them do it.
You've already heard the FBI director say, "We could have had this done in, you know, a few days."
Few days. Best lab in the world. WHY WOULD YOU want to go with something else? Was it like $200,000 paid for by the state of Arizona?
Now you got Savannah with a team of PIs.
Nanos is pissed about it. He's pissed.
And I agree with whoever said it in here. He didn't want the FBI around.
probably because he didn't want he himself exposed. He's done some really nasty [ __ ] around there. I've often wondered that about Ronnie Lawson in the Summerwells case. Why?
Um, okay, fine. The TBI's involved, FBI's involved, but you kept them at a 10-ft pole angle.
>> If that doesn't work out, uh, then maybe we've got a problem. when we've got a cold case, he said. So, uh, sort of, uh, good news in a way that they are still waiting on the DNA folks and that they haven't ruled anything out and the labs aren't telling them that they've got a problem, but also kind of not the best news if you think about it from the perspective of what if they aren't able to get anything off that uh, hair or if they have other samples that we don't know about, does that mean that they then have a cold case based on what the sheriff said? Uh, digital evidence. He says this includes thousands and thousands of videos, digitally, camera footage. He says at the center of the investigation, an enormous catalog of surveillance footage uh from intersections, neighborhoods, businesses, home security systems. He said, this is a quote, "There's thousands and thousands of video out there from intersections and ring cameras that we have to catalog.
Maybe it's all the white trucks are over there. All the red sedans are over here." You've got to have it. So, uh, when you do find a suspect, hey, the suspect is John Doe. We got him. Now, we'll go say, well, what else do we know about John Doe? So, that's not entirely new. We knew that they were looking through all the traffic cameras. And apparently, they're cataloging all the vehicles. So, even though they don't know who the suspect is or what vehicle the suspect was driving or suspects, um it sounds like he's saying once they figure that out, hopefully when they figure that out, they'll be able to quickly go back and identify some of these cars on these traffic cams around the time that Nancy went missing.
He also talked about false arrests.
Nobody wants to, this is a quote, nobody wants to make a false statement. Nobody wants to falsely accuse someone. At some point in time, someday, we may have somebody in a courtroom that deserves his or her right to a fair and impartial trial. The way you get that is through a fair and impartial investigation. My team, I've said all along, they're going to solve this. I fully 100% believe that. Uh again, I just think back to Rio Rico and the other bust near NY's house when um you know, remember that friend uh federal search warrants had people in custody and that didn't pan out. So, it sounds like they don't want that to happen again. And by the way, we still have never seen that federal search warrant, which I'm still waiting to get my hands on to figure out why they were able to do that. What sort of evidence did they have to connect Nancy Guthrie to those those folks? Because apparently none of it panned out. You know, seems like they had nothing to do with the investigation. This is interesting. He also talked >> um nothing panned out, News Daddy. We all know that. Um nothing panned out.
FBI director, top cop in America, well, some people say it's the attorney general, whatever you want to say, said, you know, the first 48 hours is the most crucial, but we were shut out.
We were shut out. You heard the president say whatever they need, please use the FBI, and they just won't do it.
they I believe is the sheriff.
Listen, whatever he's hiding is going to come out anyway about FBI tension, which has been a um something I've talked a lot about in my podcast uh and on NewsNation. Remember the um from the beginning I've been reporting that there was tension between the Puma County Sheriff's Office and the FBI. And then you had Cash Patel, the FBI director, coming out and saying that they were kept out of the investigation for the first four days, that the sheriff wanted to send the DNA to his private lab in Florida that they use and not Quantico, which by the way, if you go back to my episode from yesterday, the uh one the um Dr. Hines, one of the uh county supervisors, said he wishes that they would have gone with the FBI just because of the money aspect that he believes that the Nancy Guthrie case has already cost the county a million dollars and that if they had just let the FBI take the DNA and handle the investigation, it would have saved the county a lot of money, which is something that I hadn't heard discussed before. So, he said it would have been better for the investigation because it's the FBI and they have more experience, but it also would have been better for the county because they would have saved a ton of money, a million dollars, he's saying, if it had gone to um the FBI. But this is what Sheriff Nano said in this new interview about FBI tension.
He says he denied the claim of tension between the FBI and his agency. He says coordination between his officers and the FBI began soon after learning of NY's disappearance. He said Director Patel has his right to his opinions, adding that he believes some remarks were factually inaccurate. He says the FBI was with us day one. We've always had a working relationship. He also disputed claims that investigators mishandled the scene or delayed search efforts in the critical early hours of the Guthrie investigation.
>> Okay, I love the word inaccurate.
He's saying, "Well, that's inaccurate."
You know what the FBI director said? All right. Gotcha. Gotcha. I pick it up. I got you. Um, what he's not admitting is that obviously there's people in the FBI that have worked on missing person's cases much more than the sheriff.
Okay? The sheriff lied to get his job.
Hey, look. He was duly elected, so there's really nothing you can do about this.
Linda Lou, where have you been, girl?
Linda Lou, said this case will never be solved.
I hate to hear that.
Hate to hear that, but he's saying inaccurate.
You can't say anything's inaccurate unless you let them in. And then you can say later, yeah, their data was inaccurate.
They have an entire department dedicated to finding missing people.
Okay. All ages.
Good morning, Brooke Lanth.
Again, this is according to his interview with People magazine. Uh, the plane was started immediat The plan was started immediately. He said, referring to aerial, I'm sorry. The plane was started immediately, Nano said, referring to aerial search operations.
They found blood. Search and rescue looked at the scene and realized it seemed suspicious. They did exactly what they were supposed to do. So, he's saying that they did search initially with the plane and then realized that it was suspicious because they found the blood and then moved on to, you know, realizing that this was a criminal matter. So, it's interesting that the sheriff is speaking out. Hey guys, you know, I'm always on the go. I don't usually have much time for cooking and that is why I absolutely love factor.
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They can't harm you if they can't find you. Click the link below to claim your 60% off and get your personal data off the market. In terms of the FBI tension, I have heard that it's gotten better recently. My sources have told me, you know, there's this task force now where they are working together. Um, and it seems like the FBI, even though the sheriff is technically in charge, it seems like the FBI has more control than people realize. And something that makes me believe that too is this new information that the sheriff isn't even talking to the Guthri, that it's the FBI talking to the Guthri. uh which you know if the sheriff was really in charge of the whole thing and had all this you know special information you'd think that the Guthri would be wanting to talk to the sheriff but no according to him they're now only talking to the FBI. So I want to bring in Morgan right now uh super smart guy investigator. I've had him on the podcast before um and just a law enforcement expert to kind of go through some of these new developments and see what he thinks about it.
>> Thank you for uh for joining me Morgan.
I really appreciate it. Uh it's been a while since I've talked to you, so I have kind of a lot of questions because you're up to speed on all this Guthrie stuff. The first thing I wanted to ask you about though, there's this new interview with the sheriff uh with People magazine, and there there are a couple things that stood out to me. I'm curious your take on. First of all, Sheriff Nano said that he is no longer directly communicating with the Guthrie family and says those conversations are now being handled by the FBI. And then he said, quote, "The public is frustrated, even the Guthrie family."
He's technically still in charge of the investigation. I mean, you know, technically he his office is still in charge. And what what do you make of the fact that he's not communicating with the family anymore?
>> Yeah. You know, until it becomes a until there's a federal predicate, you know, or a nexus and the FBI, for example, if she was kidnapped and we knew she was taken across state lines, that makes it a federal investigation. Um, in my experience, and Brian, this is going on over 40 years. It's unusual for the originating agency, the investigative agency who has originating authority, which the sheriff does, not to be in communicate with the not to be in communication with the victim's family. Um, I mean, it would be hard to figure out, well, why, how come the record, there's enough out there on the record, as they say, there's enough in the interviews, you can see stuff to where it's kind of like, um, there this may be in an advanced stage. Maybe there's something going on we don't know about, which clearly falls within the um the FBI's swim lane. You know, this is what we do. We do this really well. Um I have no idea what it is, but let's say it's an advanced hostage negotiation or an advanced negotiation. That's clearly something. But to not have any contact um is something that >> Dear God, oh my gosh, now Conniey's in here saying I think News Daddy is hot AF. Kimberly is making him a meatloaf. Jules is trying to figure out she normally does breakfast for dinner. True Crimebe is thinking out what to make him for dinner. Oh my gosh. And to answer your question, Rebecca, the woman that has all these questions about Bri Corey Michel's mother. Mm- She's not allowed in here.
Matter of fact, um um I have a feeling Chrissy's going to be on that one pretty quick. Kimberly said, "Um, I don't think he's hot, but I'd feed him." Feed him what, Kimberly?
What exactly do you plan on feeding him besides your meatloaf?
>> No, I want meatloaf.
>> That um I I think that's that's a question that ought to be answered. The question is, you say you don't have contact. The question is why, >> right? Yeah. I've wondered and I obviously tried with my coverage tried to be really respectful to the family and think about what they're going through and um >> and I but I have wondered sort of behind the scenes like you know with all this reporting about the sheriff and mistakes made and all the drama with him and the um board of supervisors I was just I mean they must know about it and it it's just sort of a distraction from you know Nancy being missing.
>> Yeah. You know the cases I worked you always wanted to make sure that you had contact with the family. Um, when I was a detective working, I remember a homicide case. Guy was run over eight times with his own car. Drug deal gone bad. Yeah. Shouldn't have been out there, but but we we advised them, here's what happened. We just served a search warrant. We made some arrests.
You always want to just you always want to be the person that breaks the news to them. You never want them finding out about it from another source. And look, reporters got to do their job. Um, but >> Oh my god, everybody's talking about Kimberly's meatloaf. You all got Rebecca trying to feed News Daddy now.
Jenny barbecue ribs for News Daddy. Lolo again.
Okay, go ahead and put in chat. I like cold meatloaf sandwiches, too. I do. I do. I do. Believe it or not, I always have to have a little bit of cheese. And it's the only sandwich I put Miracle Whip on. I'm more of a mayo mustard girl. Kimberly loves ribs. Holy [ __ ] I should be doing a cooking channel. Okay, that's what I should be doing. Um, and now I'm like super hungry wondering if we have any hamburger meat in there.
You know, it's really good if you have one of those KitchenAid mixers and you get like an actual really good piece of Angus beef and you ground it up yourself and then that's how you make your meatloaf.
change your life. Rebecca likes Miracle Whip. Okay, look at this. Look at all this engagement.
Uh, Kimberly, you should do a cooking channel. Lolo's hungry. Tina wants to make News Daddy a homemade lasagna. Holy [ __ ] My god. Thank you. It's like you and I have talked about and I've told other people, look, when you when you don't feed the beast and the beast is media, they will go out and find things to report on because it's a newsworthy story. So, um I I think that's just one of the first rules of investigations and working with the family is that maintain constant contact. Always keep open lines of communication because guess what? At some point, you're going to need their help. Let's say that a case is made.
you're going to need their help in building the case, testifying, potentially providing evidence. So, you always want to make sure you're on good terms with them.
>> The DNA, I've reported there's a um a strand of hair that was found that's rootless that's now been sent to Quantico that they're trying to get DNA off of. In this new interview, uh he said, "I know we have DNA that is unknown who the contributor or depositor is, but I think they're getting closer to finding out who that was. Uh, I have confidence in our labs. When the labs tell us, hey, there's nothing else we can do. Well, then maybe we've got a problem. We've got a cold case. But right now, the labs aren't telling us that. Are you confident that they're going to get somewhere with this DNA testing? What is What is your gut?
>> Two Boston moms said Indian food. Next to Mexican food. Now you hit my tickle bone. We have a restaurant. It's at 71st in Lewis in Pulsa. It's called India Palace. Wonderful man named Gold Deep. I mean, he is wonderful.
The Sag Paneer.
Obviously, I'm butchering the name. Will melt in your mouth. The curry, everything. Now, I thought that was the best Indian food I'd ever had. Well, we found a guy that actually knows Gold Deep in Arlington, Texas. His is much spicier though. So, it just kind of depends on if you want a lot of spice or not. And when I say spicy, excuse me, I don't mean like Louisiana hot sauce. Okay, it's the spices are insane. All right, back to Nancy and you guys talking about what you like to eat.
So glad you're here. Love you. By the way, we have a huge show.
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>> Well, there there's kind of a contradiction. On the one hand, he says 100% we're going to solve this. On the other hand, says, "Hey, we may not get anything from the lab and it'll be a cold case." So, you know, it's got to be one or the other. Here's the issue though, Brian. It goes back to you and I have talked about this. I've talked about it, you know, many times is like it it's the it goes back to the crime scene. DNA does not come with a date and time stamp on it. You don't know when that h hair was deposited or by who. We don't know by who, obviously. The fact that the crime scene was uncontrolled for a certain period of time, could that have been introduced? There's a thing too called low cards uh evidence transfer theory which basically says anytime you come into contact with something you leave something and you take something. That's how touch DNA works. If you and I shook hands I get some of your epithelial cells, skin cells. I go open a door somewhere your DNA now is on that door. But you have to put it in context. So with this hair when he says, "Hey, we're getting closer." The analysis is already done.
that kind of leads to me is that they are going down the path of familial DNA or investigative genetic genealogy that there's something being done because that's >> and that's what we've been talking about. So you don't want to send it to the FBI lab in Quantico where they said they could have it done in a few days.
They could have already gone through the familial DNA, you know, the ancestry, 123 where Pat proved to everybody in their dog, I'm 100% white.
Okay, they could have already done that. What is this sheriff doing to Nancy Guthrie?
What is he doing to this family? What is he doing?
Why are you not working with the FBI?
Why are you saying that Cash Patel's statements were inaccurate? How can they be inaccurate? Nancy hasn't been found.
The family's pissed.
The DNA is not back.
You need more testing.
How are his statements inaccurate?
Proof's in the pudding.
>> The thing that takes time. That takes It could be anywhere. We saw in the Colberger case, it took a few months. Uh Golden State Killer case took a few months. In the case of a lot of people don't know this case, but April Tinsley, a young girl kidnapped back in Indiana.
I think it was in the late 80s. Um, killed. Um, the killer taunted them with message. Well, they finally got some DNA. The technology caught up. They were only one step away. The DNA led them to the brother. The brother led them to the actual killer. So sometimes you get sometimes you get lucky and it's kind of like you're one step away on this though. Um I think there's again it's the it's the the originating agency the agency of record which is the the sheriff's office gets to make the decisions because it's their case. But I in my experience and the cases I work, man, anytime I could take advantage of somebody else's technology, especially when it's going to be a big case, uh, and they've got the expertise, I always wanted to, I mean, I worked with everybody from our own state labs when I was in Kansas KBI to the FBI lab to Quanico to ATF on fireark examinations, you know, ATF on bomb and arson investigations. So, you always try to find who's got that expertise and then let's use that expertise.
Are you surprised that it doesn't seem there's more items with DNA? And what does that mean? I mean, and there could be more that we just don't know about, but from my understanding, it seems like this hair is really the focus.
>> Yeah. So, when I go back and we you you know, you've looked at the videos, I have every millions of people have looked at the videos, right? You look at the trade craft that was done, a full face covering, ski mask, you've got a a jacket covering everything, gloves, looked like double gloves, right? Um, if there was a hair there, it would have to have been on the outside of you think it would most likely would have come from and a a logical place come from is from the outside of that like the ski mask or something else. Then you have a real problem because that could have been picked up anywhere and deposited. So now you have a red herring. So we don't know what we know till we know what we don't know. It sounds corny, but it's the actual truth. We're dealing with uncertainty here. Now uncertainty is okay, but it's got to be framed in the proper way. is that a lot of people are saying this is the silver bullet. This will lead us to the killer. We heard that about the gloves. I think it was the New York Post. Oh, we found gloves.
You know, we're watching and guess what turn it was a it was a nothing burger.
It turned out to as I said and actually it was on with Elizabeth Vargas, you know, I said, "Hey, look, those gloves mean absolutely nothing until they're tied to the crime scene and they never were. So, they mean nothing." Um, and so yeah, this is the the DNA.
It used to be Brian back I hate to say back in my day, but my testimony was enough. I mean, the fact that I testified that was evidence. Then people started watching TV and then the perception changed. Well, you can't you can't clear a case unless it has DNA.
You actually can. It takes it takes some work. DNA sometimes touch DNA can absolutely been mis be misleading. Your DNA on a doororknob that you in a building you've never been in means absolutely nothing now because you were never there. So, we have to put everything in context. It will be interesting to see where the investig if that's I I and I'm pretty sure that's what they're doing. Uh the investigative genetic genealogy.
>> Yeah.
>> Susan said Brooks, do you realize what you did? Yeah, I just went to peace.
Susan, um I didn't really feel like I needed to be on camera to do.
Thank you for checking on me, Susan. I just had to go tingle >> where the where they're at with that. I mean, it's at least that's a 60 to 90day process just to get a good feel for what's the landscape, who's out there, who's who in the zoo, who's connected to who.
>> It's been a while since I've talked to you about this case. I think it's been more than a month. Um, where is your mind at overall? I mean, we talked last time about the possibility of is the ransom real? Was it a burglary gone wrong? As more time has gone on and um you know, I'm asking you to kind of speculate here because there's a lot we just don't know based on the evidence, but like where's your mind at on all of this?
>> Well, funny you should mention that. I'm not trying to it's not done yet. But Brian, I actually I've taken a lot of the stuff that I've done, but it's going into a whole thing called Crime Reconstructed, a first principal method for criminal investigations. The the thing I lead off with is the Guthrie case, and we talk about that. What are the things that are known? what are the uh what is known and what is knowable.
But in the case of this, I go back to it was either a burglary gone wrong or it was never a burglary, right? For a burglary to gone wrong, different skill set.
>> The link to Discord, no, I I don't want to put that in here. By the way, if anybody wants to be in Discord, um just send me an email and we'll get you set up. Okay. In the meantime, think about becoming a member and please subscribe to the other channel because tomorrow we're having a big part for our friend rapper different mindset. You're in there with a different mission. Burglary is about theft and removal. U kidnapping is about control. So the longer this goes on, the fact that there's been you got a $1.2 million reward that has not moved the needle whatsoever.
um you look at the blood that comes out and stops at the curb. And actually I put um I put a little piece of analysis out uh probably mid-March or something.
But you know what I wanted to address is the question of why was the guy messing with the camera? He was not concerned about being found. In fact, we have the other photo we were trying to figure out. I know the sheriff said one thing, FBI says another. Was it a reconnaissance video? The guy just standing there dressed similarly but you know differently a little bit different attire.
The whole purpose of removing the Ring camera, and this is what I've concluded based on looking anything, was he disguised himself. What he could not disguise was a vehicle. So, you remove the camera because you don't want it transmitting a picture of the vehicle >> because we know that the blood stopped at the exact place a vehicle would have had to have been for Nancy to be put into a car. The question was, was there one or was there two? So, when I look at this and just this is based on my training and experience, and it's really it's not speculation. So, I want you know, some people may say, well, it's speculation. No, it's actually based on real data, stuff that I've done, stuff that comes out of the National Crime Victimization Survey, stuff that the FBI does. You are, you would be hardressed to find cases of where somebody that went in to do a burglary decided that kidnapping was the least risky alternative to getting out of the house because then you have to plan for it.
You have to plan for control and exfiltration. And that gets back into the videos. I know we'll talk about that in a minute.
So, as time goes on, uh I when I was out there, I said, and that was you not too long after it happened. I think a few days after, I was in Tucson for 4 days.
And I, you know, I said, "You got to quit treating this as a missing person."
It's not. It's a nobody homicide.
There's enough indicators to say it's a nobody homicide. Her age, her cardiac condition, the time of night she was taken out, the blood, this is a nobody homicide. So, >> okay. Now, this has happened before. I still think in the Mark Fullerton case in Missouri, in the boot of Missouri, they should have charged all of that riff raff with murder because it's a nobody homicide.
Harmony, her body was never found. Her dad sailed down the river. Okay, we know that Stacy Wandra will be going to trial in September. They do not have Port Little Monkeykey's body.
So, if if you have the evidence that she has passed away, then why don't you go ahead and change it to that direction? I don't know. I don't work there. or take some advice from people who have been there like the FBI.
I think um when you look at it, there's very little if anything to indicate that it's a burglary gone wrong.
Circumstantially, all the evidence points to an abduction. Now, then the question becomes, was it a targeted abduction? Did they know who she was and who she was connected to? That's the part that's unknowable. Nobody can tell you. The only person that can tell you that is the person who committed the offense.
>> It's so interesting you say that. I all this time I haven't really put a lot of thought into what you said that it could have been taking the camera off to conceal the car, not to actually be worried about the camera.
>> And Brad, look, he stood out there. You and I saw him. He stood out there. He wasn't worried. He walked up. He had the bite light, you know, he was putting the vegetation in front. He was standing he was standing there for enough time that had the camera been recording to the cloud, it would have been captured for posterity. These guys have operated. And look, he's definitely exhibiting some uh some sophisticated trade craft. Let me put it that way. This is somebody, this is not his first rodeo doing this. So, he's not worried about being identified.
What's he, what I think it is, is he's worried about the vehicle being identified because a vehicle is easy to track. somebody in a ski mask. All of the people who you say, "Hey, I Brian, I" and you you get it worse than I do because of your um uh profile and the number of viewers that you have. But I'm sure you get emails and messages all the time. Hey, look at this. I reverse engineered this or I did this. It's like none of that works. The the thing that I keep coming back to is you look where the blood goes. You look where the blood stops. She's in a vehicle. The real question there is was it one or was it two people involved in this and but I I go back to I >> nobody calls News Daddy Bradm no we don't do that. His name is Brian and he is News Daddy. Now, I scrolled back through the chat after I found my glasses over in um the box that Laura Ulie got for OJ. They were on my face right now. I sent an email today to invite someone to Discord. I still have that in my paste and I was pasting in the Discord link.
So, if you're a moderator and you see the wrong link, you can go ahead and delete it. It really is okay.
But again, if you would like to be part of the Discord, let me know.
I figure I know someone that can help you.
>> I think I think it was a targeted abduction, whether it was a known targeted abduction, like they intended to target Nancy Guthrie as opposed to a lady living in a high, you know, rent area. Um, that's the part that's unknown, but definitely he was not worried about being seen. He was more worried about the vehicle being identified because that's easy to do.
I'm telling you. Um, I worked a fatality accident one time as a state trooper.
All I had was a little piece of the grill and from that we're able to reconstruct the actual year, make, model, got a partial VIN number and we tracked it down. We actually found the vehicle from just a little piece of the grill. And in this day of AI and everything, they would have been able to identify the exact vehicle. Then when you do that, guess what? Then you go into your files. Uh the sheriff's office, the the PD would have gone in, who do we have that we know is a bad guy that's driving a, you know, 92 Honda or an 84 Acura, whatever the case might be, right? That would have been a that would have been a biometric from a vehicle standpoint. That would have been completely identifiable. That's why he didn't care about being seen himself.
That's why the camera was removed before she was brought out.
>> Yeah. And it's interesting you bring about them about them going into their files. The sheriff also talked about this that they've got thousands of videos um cameras. There's thousands and thousands of video out there from intersections and ring cameras that we have to catalog. You Hey, Nanie.
Okay. I didn't know you couldn't delete my comments. Boy, I feel like I'm on an ivory tower. Um, Susan said, "Shit, you don't think I thought about that?"
Can everyone send a friendly reminder to Susan to disguise key words? Susan, you should say poop. You didn't think, I didn't think about that.
Someone, please remind Susan to disguise her key words. There are some people that don't like the word [ __ ] I know it offends the hell out of Big T.
Big T.
Maybe it's all the white trucks over here, the red sedans over there. It's um so that if when we have a suspect, we can say, "Hey, suspect John Doe, we got him. Now we'll go back and look at all the different vehicle." I mean, is that typical in an investigation like this that they'd be cataloging all of the cars from the from the traffic cameras?
>> Um, it's a step you would take, but I think it's inverted. See, my my theory, look, I I did some stuff for uh after 9/11, I did some stuff in the DoD community, the intelligence community, the justice community. Everybody said this is like looking for a needle in a hay stack. I said, "Guys, you've got the wrong mentality. Your theories make the haystack smaller. My theory is use a bigger magnet. Pull it out." I would instead reverse it. I would say, "Look, you've got all this video." Well, we know the vehicle couldn't have left could have wouldn't have left no later than probably 228. That's when the last ping from the pacemaker was to the phone. Somewhere between 212 and 228.
It's very simple and it's the I I actually did this and I think I was did it with one of your uh anchors, but I showed the egress analysis. I said, "These are the ways out of that area.
How do you get 5 miles out?" Right?
>> I'd simply reverse it. I say, "What vehicle traffic do I have in this time window?" And I would slide this window through and I would say, "What vehicles do I have going through? Those are my vehicles of interest."
>> Did anyone catch the word that he used several times?
The man with the very pretty silver hair that keeps calling News Daddy Brad.
He said, "I want to go 5 miles in reverse and figure out the time. Time time."
We go back to Cash Patel that said the first 48 hours are the most important when someone is missing.
Someone is missing. They have wasted time. They have wasted resources. They have wasted a lot of money. Old Nanos would rather talk to People freaking magazine than give a press conference to the citizens of Tucson and tell them this is what we're working on. Don't open the case file. No one asked you to.
Mirie and um active ongoing investigation. We have some leads. We will let you know when we find out. But he talks to People magazine.
Okay. People magazine.
Why does he need to keep getting interviewed by these national publications and ignore his local media? They talk about him on the local media, but he doesn't exactly sit down with them. Now you got news daddy hungry and upset.
And all he had to do was what you're trained to do. Now I work backwards from the vehicles I have targeted. Not waiting for somebody to go, "Hey, we arrested John Smith and a white Toyota. Now let's go back and look for the white Toyotas." That's you still have to catalog that stuff because if a break comes in, you want that. But I would have a team working the inversion of that, which is I want to know all the vehicles. Here's our window of opportunity. I want to know every vehicle that was going through this window of opportunity. And that's an easy that's a much smaller subset than trying to catalog, you know, million videos. How is it possible that with that doorbell video where you can still see the eyebrows and you can see the mouth and you can see the way he walks and the clothing and the backpack. And how is it possible that we still don't that at least according to the sources I have, there's still no suspect. there's no real good lead. It's almost like there's still it's like it still feels like it's happened yesterday. They're still sorting through, you know what I mean? There are a lot of progress. I don't think.
>> Yeah. You know, this is a tough one because you do have a height approximate height and they they can get pretty good about it. They'll use LAR. They'll use all and you saw when the tent was out there, they were taking measurements of that front portico and everything and so they will be able to get pretty close to how tall that person was. So, that starts helping you narrow it down. I'm not looking for somebody who's 5 foot and I'm not looking for somebody who's 7 foot, right? So I'm looking for somebody who's 5'10. Now I can go back into offender files, what they call field interview cards, FI cards, reports, intelligence reports. Um yeah, and then you're right. Um you know, we can know it's it's a male. Uh is it a Hispanic male? Could be. I mean, could be a dark-skinned white male. That part is a little bit iffy. Um but you but the other thing too is if the person is not from this area and um which we know from home invasions and we know from certain traveling games like Trend Ara when they would go out and hit homes they're not from that area they travel they go into an area and then they come out the chances of them having prior contact with law enforcement in that area is minimal. Uh and that's the reason why it makes it hard to track these games because there's nothing organic. It's not like, hey, it's the usual suspects, Johnny the gangbanger. Okay, we got him in our files. We know who it is. Um, there's some other things you can do, too. It It's very problematic because of the mask. The mask makes it difficult to do.
People say, "Well, can't you do facial recognition or what about the eyes?"
Because of the infrared lighting, because of the um the extra, you know, coverage that's around the face, it makes it difficult to do that. You you might get an idea about how far apart the eyes are. That could lead you to some really hard work, Brian. It's like recovering those videos. That was tough stuff. Another tough stuff thing is going back into Arizona DMV and pulling all which they can get access to. Pull all the driver's license photos and say, "Okay, first thing we want to do is exclude everybody who's not male."
Right? So now we're left with males. Now we want everybody on their driver's license who is 5'8 to 6 foot. And you can narrow it down. And then you could start doing potentially some analysis with AI. But that that is a long long hard slog. Um, >> I read I believe everything I read on the internet as you all know that AI technology is not admissible in a lot of courtrooms.
Judges won't allow it. They won't allow it into evidence that it's not a proven science.
Okay.
read it on the internet.
We know what's going on.
Crime scene tape up, down, up, down. We get Annie's car. We get NY's car. Crime scene up. Crime scene down. Oh, FBI's here.
They found a camera. They're going to analyze it. The FBI director got a hold of Google saying, "I need you to do this." Cool. Done. So, we know who. We know somebody was around. We got all that.
Just come on. Bring in other people. You must be tired, Nanos. After 4 months, you must be tired. You must want a few days off. You must want to go to the basketball game again, which is a-okay by me and everyone else.
You must want to do something beside being asked all the time.
Hell, you had Annie's case for car. I mean, almost the entire time NY's been missing.
So, it's not as easy. And it really boils down to was that person from that area? Do they have prior contact with law enforcement? If so, then I'm confident their information will be surfaced at some point. But Brian is like you. You know, pick a town you've never been to. You go in there, you commit a crime, and you leave. There is nothing in the police files that has anything about Brian Inon in there.
There's nothing they will be able to do unless you left fingerprints or DNA. But if you just come in, steal a bike, put it in the back of your truck, and drive off. Dude, there's there's just nothing there. And that may be what they're dealing with.
>> But what about no one recognizing him? I mean, you mentioned the reward up over a million dollars.
You know, I'm just thinking last time you and I spoke, I would have thought by now someone would want that money or someone would would make the call. Why do you think there's still nothing?
>> It goes back to um it could be that the person's not from that area. So, the chances that somebody would see the coverage and see stuff the farther out you go. But the other thing could be though too um that that lends more credibility to a single person, single offender rather than two offenders. Anytime you have two people, two people cannot keep a secret.
A secret can only be kept by one person no matter what they say. Right? But in the gang culture, in the crime culture, um there is this thing about, hey, >> don't snitch. Don't say anything to the cops. Don't snitch us out. Is there somebody out there who knows? I would say so. Is there somebody out there who may think that if I say something now I become the target? Is my life worth $1.2 million?
That's that's a tough thing there.
There's no easy answer to this. I know everybody wants the the like, hey, rationalize this for me. Give me a cohesive answer. That's the danger when we start locking on to something that seems like it makes sense. Now that becomes our frame. Um when I would work cases, I always told the dispatchers and other people, do not just say a death investigation. Do not say possible suicide. The minute you say possible suicide, then everything is framed through the construct of a suicide. So if you get something in that doesn't comport with it being a suicide or not a suicide, you oh no, no, that's that goes outside the frame. So start with the minimum information possible and work out from there. And so in this case, um it it could be the reason I said that is that everybody gets their frame.
Everybody knows what they're looking for. And in this case, this guy, it could be is that it's a single person.
It's a solo operator, a lone wolf. Um, which would be consistent with the single image we saw before and then the video we saw.
>> Because there's one person in the video doesn't mean it's just one person. You don't know. I've always been confused about the no tire tracks, no strange cars coming through.
As far as not enough media attention, that is absolutely crazy because before they would talk about anything else, breaking news every morning was about Nancy Guthrie. So, they can forget all that gobbly goop. Okay? They can forget all of that.
One thing the sheriff would never consider was the possibility that she's in another state or country.
Not too far to New Mexico.
Certainly not too far to Mexico.
New Mexico as in the United States.
Mexico as in another country.
Does Did she know her kidnapper?
Is this an inside job? Why is the FBI clapping back saying, "Nah. Uhuh. They're doing it all wrong."
You can easily tell what's going on. No one took a damn dime. Even though Annie asked for a very big loan that night, okay, very big loan when her and Tomato were having Nancy over for dinner. ask for a very big loan.
It's not like, hey, I need some money to get to work tomorrow. No, this is a is a pretty sizable loan from what I'm reading. And this is a reputable source.
This isn't um someone on Facebook.
Tomato takes her home.
She opens the garage door. She goes inside.
next day doesn't get with her friends.
Nah, there's something going on.
So when the sheriff denies the inaccuracies that the FBI is calling out. That's um that's pretty bizarre considering they're not asking for federal help and she could be in Mexico. She could be >> saw this time. I know some other people like Jim Clemente and Dr. Boden talk about like the the blood was very close to the ground might have been just carried out. So that that that gives credence to a single person. So when it's a single person, two people can't keep a secret, right? But one person probably can. And if they're not from this area or far enough out, um they would have to recognize there's not enough video to recognize gate. Like if I saw you and I saw you walking um enough I could say, "Okay, that's Brian.
I've seen him on TV, whatever, right?
But there's we don't have enough context for somebody to say, I recognize that guy definitively. Like, I see his gate.
He walks a certain way. We have the face. We kind of have the build, but we lack if we had, you know, maybe 30 seconds to a minute more video. That would provide more context to make it easier for people to recognize him.
>> Do you think all the criticism of the sheriff has been fair?
>> No. Um, uh, look, I have no dog in the hunt. So, um, the I don't think all of it's been fair because I think some of it comes from certain corners that don't understand how investigations work. Um, and it it is look, you cannot manufacture things out of thin air. So, it's like, well, why don't you have a suspect because we don't have one. Um, could could things have been done better? Most places, especially when you have a major case. So if we think about at that same time the the shooting I believe it was up at Brown the police chief up there masterful job of how you handle it direct communication and stuff. This this will be a case study Brian for public information officers about this is how do you handle things so I think there's some fair criticism as there always is in any investigation of how somebody handled it how they said things. Um I don't think everything's fair because some of it goes to process.
If you don't understand the process then you criticize it. You don't understand this is not TV. You don't get DNA results back in 30 minutes because a television show, a 1-hour show is only 44 minutes long. I don't get my results back in 44 minutes.
Quit with that dead horse. It's 2026. We all understand that real life isn't the internet.
We understand that real life isn't a TV show.
We understand that real life, real time, and real processes aren't a movie. You don't even need to dumb people down like that. I mean, even News Daddy is kind of closing his eyes like, "Yeah, aren't we done saying that all the time?"
If you're still waiting on DNA, whether it's familial or a match, obviously it's not going to be Cotus.
Why don't you just use Quanico? I don't get it.
>> So, some things take time. And if you have convoluted DNA, if you have mixed DNA, there is nothing that is at this point in time admissible in court to say we deconvoluted that DNA. We now know for sure uh that between your DNA, my DNA, maybe we both were bleeding and it got mixed. There's no definitive way that has been admitted in court yet to say that's you, that's me. We've been able to separate the DNA completely. So, there's a lot of scientific things that people don't understand that give rise to the criticism. Um, but as with anything, um, there'll be the issues that they call in the FBI. Director Patel has one story, sheriff has another. Um, the record speaks for itself on things like that.
>> Do you think that Do you think the guy could be dead?
>> Hold on, I have a question. I'm actually asking Erica 8627.
Even if they asked for a loan and she said no, how does that explain porch guy casing the place back in January?
Here's a whole thing. How do they know it's the same person?
That's a question that's been represented and talked about many times.
I think Bill on Police Off the Cuff was talking about it. He said, "You're still waiting on a DNA match.
You still haven't done the familial DNA going to take a big leap and say it's not in the COD system. But why are you putting this together saying that the case was placed in the case the place was cased in January?
Too many rhyming words for Brooks. And then this person came back right after Beard, Savannah's brother-in-law, dropped off his mother-in-law after his wife asked her for a big loan.
Reported by the New York Times.
And you still won't just send it to Quantico and have them figure it out.
That would have been one thing off your plate. Time is essential when someone is missing.
If you have an article that says that the same guy that kidnapped her was the same guy that was casing her home in January. That would be spectacular >> in the doorbell camera.
>> I don't know. That's that's that's I put that when I talk about types of uh things that are known. That's unknowable at this point. We don't know. Um, is it permanently unknowable? That's a different statement. We don't know. Um, at some point when something happens and you and you like evidence is erased away, uh, it's permanently unknowable.
No ma no amount of investigation will go back and recreate that evidence that was lost. Um, so in this case, I can't answer that. Um, what you can do is what do we know factually, right? We know factually hasn't been identified yet, at least not publicly. Um, the reward hasn't tipped the scale. Um, uh, there's no indication, even though there's some tradecraftraft that indicates that the Mexican carry, the way the pistol is, that's a, that's a term of art down there, that it could be from South Tucson or, you know, you're not too far away from the border. Um, are some of those things plausible? But yeah, but those are all hypothesis that have to be tested and you have to test it against reality, physics, the the time constraints, right? So if for example I think like I said the process of holding on to the vehicles and waiting for something to appear is inverted.
What I would do is I would take here's the vehicles I know within a 5 mile radius. How many of those vehicles what you can do is start eliminating things.
I know when you were down there Brian you drove across the border. You said how long would it take? Well guess what they have down there? They got cameras.
So if I see the same vehicle in the neighborhood crossing that within the appropriate time frame. I mean you cannot leave you could not leave Nancy Guthri's house and be across the border in 15 minutes. physically impossible. Uh we're not flying jet fighters here. But if it was an hour and a half later, that's plausible, right? So I think what you have to do is take what you have, put your time constraints around it and start working it from there to say what vehicles that were in this area also cross the border. Now, I will tell you if it crossed the border, and you know this from being down there, um we do get cooperation from the Mexican officials, but um there is a different culture about investigations and about accountability and working with American law enforcement in Mexico than there is in some other countries.
>> Really appreciate Morgan for taking the time to >> Me, too. He looks like um what's his name?
Joseph Scott Morgan. another Morgan um that has that great podcast, Body Bags. I'm in their Facebook group, by the way.
They actually let me put my shows in there.
True. If you become a member, you can see how many times I've met him. All right. Well, JLR is still saying he thinks the cartel might be involved. We got old Dolly wanting to go to Mexico and hang out with the cartel.
I hope PJ tells him, "No, no, no.
We're not doing that nonsense.
No, no, no, no, no.
Jailr investigates. I am on the border.
Where is Nancy Guthrie?
I'm on the southern border of Arizona.
Ngalis. This is the border wall. This looks pretty secure to me. I don't know how Nancy Guthrie would have.
>> Ngalis, Arizona when I was there was scary, not going to lie, because the wall had been taken down and you just you just saw a lot of crazy stuff going on. Eagle Pass, Texas. Woo!
You know, the cartel does not want Nancy Guthrie. Okay.
The cartel did not ask Nancy Guthrie for a loan. The cartel did not case her house in January.
This is an either This is either an inside job slashcover or it's like totally random.
The random makes no sense to me.
Chrissy JLR isn't going to Ulie's today.
She gave him the day off. She gave him $5 for lunch and she told him to go down to the border.
That is their business, not mine, Chrissy. But she said, "Make sure you get your tummy full with this $5."
>> Gotten into Mexico considering there's a port of entry and the security's just as strong. This is uh all types of wiring.
Here's the border wall out here. And uh let me get out of my vehicle. Actually, I I talked to Border Patrol. Border Patrol knew my name before I even arrived. They're like JLR. They're all over the place. The Border Patrol, they're like JLR and and uh let me go out here and show you what's going on on the border wall. Nancy Guthrie case.
I've been handing out flyers all along uh the interstate and the rest areas, Rio Rica, Tubac, and covering the case here. And uh is Nancy Guthrie in Mexico? That's Mexico right there. That is literally I sure as [ __ ] didn't think it was Antarctica. Yes, we know that's Mexico.
That's Mexico right there. Well, we didn't see you climb the fence and stand in Mexico and say that's Arizona there.
And when you see customs and border security, they're not going to subscribe to your channel or take your flyers. Come on, Jonathan. You're better than this.
>> Mexico So, I'm on the area handing out flyers and distributed them and taping them to some of the businesses. Got a lot of other flyers, but what I've noticed is people of are paying attention and looking at them after I tape them. So, could be making some difference. Maybe, maybe not. I think so.
Did Nancy Guthrie make her way to Mexico? And if she did, where would she have gone? This would probably be the most likely route because this is about an hour 15 minutes or so south of where Nancy Guthrie lives. We'll say an hour and a half. Look at this.
I'd say a straight hour JLR considering there's like an actual back road you can take that'll take you straight to the port of exit.
There's a port of entrance to come through and then there's a port of exit and on the other side they don't care who drives through.
Lola Thanos has only heightened our suspicion with what's been said about Beard and Annie. I believe Ashley Manfield. I'm sorry. I do. I know people say it's just a coincidence that Annie and Beard were having money problems. Okay.
Um it's really weird that, you know, Annie asked her for so much money the night before.
Okay. It's really weird. Just like after that, someone that been casing the place in January, just happened to know how to get into the house after Beard dropped her off.
And now here we are almost 4 months later. No, I believe the person that talked to Ashley Banfield, who I don't believe is this sheriff, US Border Patrol.
Where is Nancy Guthrie? I should tape this up here. I should tape this right here. Should tape this. And I will.
But look at all the wire and stuff like that. Now, is the border secure? I don't know. The border patrol was telling me, you know, people are still acting funny and still trying to cross over and they get caught immediately. There goes Border Patrol right there. They're all over the place.
Make my presence known so they don't uh pull me over as a suspicious vehicle.
But they're uh cool with me. Uh they actually like my footage that I've been down here many, many times covering the border. Where is Nancy Guthrie?
They got cameras everywhere, too. Look.
Cameras.
Do not enter. Do not enter. They got Oh, they've got more than cameras down there.
Yeah, they've got more than cameras down there. Don't mess with it. Uh-uh.
Dallas, you seem to have a lot of info.
Uh, grab the link and come up. Sit down in a minute.
>> The cameras all over the place, so they seem everything. I don't know if people want to get froggy and try things try, but if they do, they're instantly going to get caught by border patrol. But they say there's still action going on in this area. The perp does the per look like he came from south of the border. A lot of people in my chat feel like the perp did. Some people speculate that this is a South American theft group or some sort of migrant burglary ring or the perp could be a migrant legal crosser, whatever you want to call them, that crossed over from 21 to 204.
I am very open-minded.
Okay, fine. So, you want to say that it's someone that crossed over a few years ago illegally, whatever, legally, however you want to do it, work permit, I don't know, and they just stumbled upon Prawn. Nancy Guthrie propped the door open.
Who propped the door open? Savannah Guthrie spoke to Hoda and said there was something holding the back door open. Was that done when Nancy was dropped off? Did Nancy keep that door open? I don't know. I don't have those answers.
I'm just going to say someone that knew her and knew her well, knew her routines, knew where she was going to be, is more responsible than JLR Border Patrol.
So, that being the possibility, >> here it is, the border wall.
Where is Nancy Guthrie? I'm going to be taping some flyers downtown Ngolas at the port and I can't wait for you to go and hand out all those flyers to the cartel.
Hello, my friend Dallas. I haven't talked to you in ages.
So, let me ask you. This won't be multiple choice. Hey, first off, are you subscribed other?
Dear goodness, what's going on?
Are you okay?
>> Not much. Can you hear me?
>> Yeah, I can hear you now. Great. Um, just one, are you subscribed to the other channel?
>> Yes, I am.
>> Okay, because we're having rapper's birthday party tomorrow. So, do you think this is an inside job as in someone that knows her?
>> Nancy Guffer.
>> Um, part of me thinks so because how did Cameron get down there so fast if he lives in Virginia and how come we only heard from him once or twice >> because we heard from Savannah what at least four or five times.
Now, Savannah left on Sunday to fly down, cancelled the entire Olympic thing. They got Hod to go. I heard that he left on Tuesday from Vermont.
I don't know if he was on vacation or what was going on. I read that. I didn't hear it. I don't talk to these people.
And another thing is how come we haven't heard from um Annie >> and Nope. They just sit there with Savannah as she talks.
>> Yeah. How come we haven't like Cameron and Annie is uh suspects in my opinion because we especially Annie because we haven't heard from her.
She's actually really Dallas the only one we haven't heard from. Um you have Savannah that has spoken out. Um you have I guess they I mean Cameron did a Instagram but you haven't heard from Annie or her husband.
And then why did Nanos clear any Tamaso so fast?
>> He says the family's not involved.
That's what he said.
>> Yeah. But Barbie thinks it's an inside job that is somebody that she knew. Like could also go through my head is could it be like a relative that nobody's thinking of?
Well, it just seems implausible that Cameron had anything to do with it. For one, he's financially stable. Two, he was in Vermont. Okay. And also, he was the last to be told.
The first phone call went to Savannah.
Of course, after the 911 calls and stuff like that. Okay. Now, the question is, why did Savannah suddenly start, follow me, packing her bags, cancelling the Olympics, head out to Arizona cuz someone can't find her mom. This was a very quick, knee-jerk decision.
I'm not doing the Olympics. I can't be at work. I have to go find my mom in Arizona when she knows that the FBI will be involved.
She knows, and I'm not blaming her.
Please don't say that. She knows that there's a lot of law enforcement.
It could be something as simple at the time she was told. I don't mean now.
At the time she was told, cuz let's face it, her mom has been in the hospital.
Her mom has had a lot of medical emergencies and Savannah did not go down there.
But when someone just doesn't know where Nancy is, she cancels all this stuff and she goes to Arizona. They don't say anything to the brother, hence why he showed up days later. Do you find that odd?
>> Yes, I do. And then another thing I find odd is why is it Savannah using her national platform that could reach millions and take like 30 seconds and be like my mom is missing be on the lookout >> like that.
>> Oh to me.
>> Well, you might have missed it. They've talked about it a lot on NBC. Okay? And if it's a ransom issue, then you should have gotten the FBI. You should have paid them. You should have followed the money and found out who did it. It took them two and a half seconds to figure out that one guy wrote a fake ransom note. At this point, it seems like they're all fake notes, not people. entry. People could see 1.2 million.
Okay, now we have someone else going to the cartel. Hey y'all, think about it.
If you live, let's say you don't live around your parents, do you live around your parents, Dallas?
No, I don't.
>> Okay. So, if someone calls you and says, "Hey, I can't find mom and her cell phone's here." Your first assumption would be, "Mom just left her cell phone home and she probably didn't go to those friend's house because she probably went to another friend's house." Then she said they thought it might be some medical emergency. So they started calling hospitals. That is smart. So from there, I mean, her mom had a heart attack and she didn't go.
Now we cancel the Olympics, which I would have done, too.
>> Mike, I've tried to call my dad.
>> Hey, he's forgotten his phone a couple of times.
Mhm.
Well, I think it's safe to say now Nancy didn't forget anything. She was taken.
By who? I don't know. But I can tell you right now, the only person we don't have going to Mexico is Lisa K. Ruiz. And if Dolly and JLR would talk to her, this would be done and over.
Oh, I lost Dallas. Okay, so Dolly wants to go to Mexico, too. All right.
Well, let's all go. I won't go to where they're thinking. I would go like to the Yucatan Peninsula, you know, have a virgin pina colada. Not that I'm a virgin, but you know what I mean cuz I I can't do and uh enjoy the waves. But they're talking about um the cartel.
>> I've never been to Mexico. Don't worry, the cartel. I'm too ugly for the cartel to mess with. Right.
>> Probably about the only trueism in this whole clip. So, you know, plus I'm good.
Don't worry. Nobody's gonna get me. I've seen people in the chat talking about, "Well, Dolly, we ain't gonna see Dolly no more."
>> Very distinct.
>> Um, two Boston moms said, "Why are they all in Mexico?" Well, JLR is down on the border handing out handing out flyers.
Can we all come on? I want everyone to clap. Okay, let's all clap.
Um, Dolly is wanting to go to Mexico and meet with the cartel.
He plans to wear a cholo shirt. I don't know what that is. So, please don't come after me and say that I'm being racist. I don't know what it is.
I don't think any cartel member is going to meet JLR at the southern border and spread those flyers, but I would say any effort gets an A >> possibility.
>> Dolly's going to come up missing.
Listen, nobody's going to mess with me. Nobody's going to mess with me. We're not going too deep. For certain people, going across the border is too deep, >> right? We're not going deep. I'm going undercover. I'm dressing up as a Latino.
Nobody >> dressing up as a Latino.
I'm not even entirely sure.
>> How do you dress up like a Latino?
I don't know.
I would like to know.
I really would because I've seen a lot of Latino women that had some real hot ass clothes on. How do you dress up as a Latino? Does anyone know? Watch YouTube come after me for racism. True question.
How do you dress up as a Latino?
I'm even saying the word wrong.
Dressing up as a Latino.
I'm not even entirely sure. Must be you haven't met no Hispanic people. You've just seen them on TV.
And even then, how does a Latino dress, homie?
Tell me.
>> Even know. They won't even be able to tell, right? I got this good tan going.
I almost look Mexican now.
>> Gotta agree. You completely look Mexican.
>> All right. I'm get me a cholo shirt.
Don't worry. I got this. I got this.
Right.
>> You're on to something because I completely I agree. If you get a Cholo shirt, you will be safe. You will be marked safe from snooping around flying your drone in the body. For sure.
>> Lort.
This is not a good idea.
Not a good idea. Bye. Felicia said it's a white tank top. Oh, okay. All right.
I've got a white tank top on. Well, I don't today. I did yesterday. Um, but I don't look Latino. All right.
>> Flying your drone >> in the body. For sure.
>> Dolly undercover. Did you find your laptop, Dolly?
>> In closing, if you like if you'd like a tour guide, I could probably set you up with somebody. You hear me? I know some people that know some people and they help you get around down there. Even in the event you want to go fishing, we could get you we could get you a fishing guide. you just let me know.
Hit me on the email, hit me on the telly, whatever you need, bro.
Well, that's not going to pan out well because I just don't think um Dolly is going to do well going into Mexico.
Whether he's handing out flyers like JLR is doing in Ngalas, Arizona, or if they want to set up meetings with the cartel. I'm sure that's going to go great. Someone's been watching a lot of Ozark on Netflix. I love it.
That's okay. I might have to binge it this weekend since it's going to be raining.
Makes absolutely no sense to me. Now then, there's 121 of you in here. How many likes do we have?
Let's hit the like. Let's hit the like.
And don't forget after it's on replay, there's a tricky little thing you can do and it's called hype.
Hype hype. So, I'm going to go undercover and I'm going to go to Mexico.
I will announce the winner of my trip tomorrow on rapper's birthday show which is on the other channel getting really confusing having two channels. Susan gets very upset with me. So if you would like to go to Mexico with me to find Nancy Guthrie, I'm not being rude. We will be looking around. Okay?
We will be looking around. I suggest you be at Rappers birthday show. Mod Squad, you are the best. You guys are the best friends anyone can have on these nasty, nasty internet YouTube streets. And don't forget, we're going to Mexico.
Heat. Hey, heat. Hey, heat.
Heat. Heat.
Heat. Heat.
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