Confroting Delta Force Commander Trying to Destroy John Chapman's Medal of Honor

Added: 2026-05-30

[00:00:00]And now everything is a complete 180 and it's all about blaming John Chapman. He completely steers away from the the Navy culpability in all of this.

[00:00:10]>> Hey man, I just want to know what the heck is going on. Right.

[00:00:13]>> Saw that second strobe. As soon as that happened, mortar fire started coming in on Mo after they had broken contact.

[00:00:20]>> Can't remember exactly what Chappie said. It was something like, "I don't know or I'm not sure." That right there is a blatant bend of the story trying to fit the false narrative for the seals.

[00:00:31]>> He too comes down all the way to where Chappie ended up, but he doesn't leave.

[00:00:35]He stays there.

[00:00:37]>> [ __ ] He's He's right about the movement. The reason why they were moving around is because Chappie was in that bunker cuz he's making it sound like additional fighters on the same side were at that bunker. But it was actually John Chapman. He fought the entire way all the way up until the QRF arrived. But in in Slab's Medal of Honor write up, it talks about, "Well, the first thing I had to do was rescue my teeth." You didn't rescue [ __ ] Slab.

[00:01:01]I'm sorry. Left with my middle finger here. Probably not on purpose on my part, but I guarantee you there's a need.

[00:01:12]>> Hey, what's going on, folks? Welcome back to the Greenberg Chronicle Show.

[00:01:15]Right, so today I have uh Rod Harrison on, right? And I wanted to bring him on because I again watched the interview that Pete did with Shawn Ryan uh over and over again and I'm just trying to add some context to some of the things that he said in that video. Right. So I have Rod on. Um Rod, if you don't mind, let the folks know who you are and how you tie into this whole thing um as it relates to Takagar.

[00:01:39]>> Sure. Jay, thanks for having me again. I appreciate it, man. I'm Rob Harrison.

[00:01:45]I'm a retired uh chief master sergeant.

[00:01:47]Uh back in 2001 2002 I was on uh deployment to uh to Afghanistan.

[00:01:55]I started out in Mser Oman uh with the task force that had mounted uh that initial response after 9/11 and then I moved forward uh through uh a staging base in Pakistan up to Usuzbekiststan.

[00:02:09]So, I had started with TF Sword and then I moved through the KBAR AO up to uh Task Force Dagger and I ended up supporting uh AC130H Spectre gunships out of Usuzbekistan from November of 01 into um the second week of March uh of O2. So, that put me directly overhead uh Takar uh on the night of uh the battle of Robert's Ridge. Um, I was on uh I was a direct sport operator uh uh crew member on board the uh the Spectre uh call sign GRIM 32. We were the emergency on call cast platform that's uh cast for close air support. So we were there in case uh any emergencies popped up and unfortunately that's what happened that night.

[00:03:00]>> Yeah. Now, um, at any point in time, did did your platform, Grim 32, have a conversation with Ultra, uh, I think it's 02 as far as, um, Pete.

[00:03:14]>> Yeah. So, uh, Pete Flavor, uh, he was, uh, call sign Ultra01. So he was in charge of the advanced forces uh that were that were in and around the Shyikote Valley as uh as the schema maneuver for operation Anaconda was coming up. Uh Pete was the the guy on the ground. Uh he was that ground force commander in the AO that uh that we had been working with uh in the days leading up to this and we we have been come to uh to know him over the radio and so forth.

[00:03:46]So >> yeah, we we talked to him all the time and uh and that night.

[00:03:50]>> Yeah. So you you guys clearly had a you know a really good relationship and of course man like I just respect Pete and what those guys do um you know coming from his background. Where do you think the disconnect is as far as what you and I are about to discuss and what Pete uh said on the Shan Ryan show? How did the story get so um I guess far apart as far as what you witnessed and what Pete said actually happened?

[00:04:20]>> Yeah. So that that throws me for a loop and it throws a lot of people for a loop. Jay, uh I think you know when you hear the name Pete Blabber, everybody knows that he's a you know retired Delta Force commander. Um he he comes with all the bonafites. Okay. Uh Pete Blabber I I would tell you like I respect the hell out of the man. Um I I first met him uh when I showed up in Msera. Uh we were working with his team and he was literally the airborne mission commander on what we called hit night at the very beginning. Uh it happened in mid midocctober of 01. It was when we did the assault on Mulla Omar's com compound and we did the airfield seizure with the Rangers and and so forth. It was a huge uh joint special operations maneuver and and Pete was the airborne mission commander. He was on board the platform that I was on that night. Uh it was a spooky platform uh one of the u models.

[00:05:15]I I interacted with him um small like I I was a young NCO. He was a he was a lieutenant colonel at the time. Uh you know getting ready I guess you you might in the army might call him colonel promotable. He had a line he was getting ready to pin on. It just his his date hadn't come up yet. Um, but we had interacted a couple of times. At one point he even asked, you know, based on my skill set, he's like, "Hey, can you come and support uh our hits um you know, because I I was a foreign language guy and uh and so forth." And so I was like, "Yeah, I I can I can gladly, you know, bark orders." And my Air Force commanders uh they didn't want to let me go uh from the uh from supporting our airframes. So, I didn't get to go play with uh with Delta uh on the on that particular request. But moving forward into in Anaconda, um we knew who who Ultra0ero1 was. Uh immediately after uh all of the the battles, I mean, Pete ends up retiring uh you know, there shortly after. He writes books. Um you know, he he wrote The Mission, The Men, and Me. And even in in that book and in other books that he was interviewed for like Not a Good Day to Die. Um I think that one uh which one was trying to remember uh the the name it was uh slipping me. Uh so Malcolm McFersonson wrote Robert's Ridge and then um Dang it.

[00:06:43]>> You remember the the author of the that other book uh Not Not a Good Day to Die.

[00:06:47]He also wrote uh the one about uh uh JC.

[00:06:50]Oh, I know who you're talking about. I know who you're talking about. Sean >> his name.

[00:06:55]>> Yeah, there we go. All right. So, Blaber was interviewed for a handful of uh of books.

[00:07:01]>> In those uh in those books, like there were moments where Blabber was literally he was talking about, you know, the potential court marshal of some of the the Navy officers involved in what happened in Anaconda. And then you fast forward and now everything is a complete 180 and it's all about blaming John Chapman and blaming the Air Force General Treban uh that was at Bram and he he completely like steers away from the the Navy culpability in all of this and he won't name any of them by name anymore. And so I I don't understand that because the the reality is that uh that the Navy leadership and Bram forced uh the Mako team into this particular maneuver because they didn't want to miss out on a big show and Anaconda was going to be that. That that team was supposed to be the HBT team, the high-value target team. They were supposed to fly in and do do a takedown on any high-v value targets that might have tried to escape the area of operation, but instead they wanted to turn them into a sniper overwatch and put them on a key mountain point that that Pete already said they had covered and didn't need someone to go in and infill to that location. like it's I think the I would tell you that you know if Pete Blver's story changes either either there's leverage or friendship or something going on as to why his story changed after all those years. I can't answer it because I'm not him. I could just tell you that that Pete Blabber shows up with uh with tons and tons of bodafites, tons of credibility, but the statements that he's making about John Chapman and who and how that that mission happened and unfolded, like it is not entirely accurate. And I don't I don't care if he was a ground force commander or not. Um he talks about, you know, in his books, he talks about listen to the boots on the ground. Like when we're talking about the eyes on and being able to see in the footage that Chapman survived after the Makeo element broke contact, like we become the the guys on the ground at that point because it's our eyes that captured all of that and and we were right there. And I've got I've got the the audio and the video footage that shows that Chris, our sensor operator, saw that second strobe and we had a conversation about it amongst the aircraft. But in the fray, as soon as that happened, mortar fire started coming in on Mako after they had broken contact. And so we were having to immediately shift uh to the next priority. And so we didn't have confirmation that that was John Chapman in that moment where we saw that second strobe, but there was an element of confusion. And then we paused. It's all recorded. You can see Chappie's movement whether it was on our footage or on the Predator. It's captured on both. And so when all of that happens, you're you're now shifting uh close air support fires to the team to try and protect them from incoming mortars. and the enemy was maneuvering to uh to their position.

[00:10:20]>> Yeah. Uh with all that said, Rod, let's let's jump into some of the uh Shan Ryan show uh clip of Pete uh talking about that specific night and then uh we we'll listen to him and then I'll give you a chance to rebut and just add some context and then just trying to clarify things. Let's jump into the first clip.

[00:10:38]So it disorgges Slabs team Makeo30 and you can watch on the video and it's on the internet right now. You'll watch four guys run as planned to the defilate position and one guy alone belines it for the bunker. When I first saw that, I didn't know what happened. So after everything happened, I'm I'm jumping forward a little. The two days after it happened, I flew back to Bram to watch I wanted to see the tapes. That's when I first watched the AC-130 and the Predator videos.

[00:11:15]When I see this guy get out of the Hilo and go right to the bunker, I'm like, I thought it was Slab. And if it wasn't Slab, I thought, you know, I didn't know even know that, you know, I didn't even wasn't even thinking he's got a CCT with him or anything. I'm like, "Fuck, what are you doing?" Cuz one guy is going right for the bunker. Well, what I believe is that, you know, Chapman is a junior guy. He heard over and over, I told you 15 times, "We're going to assault. This is an assault." When he gets off that halo, he's new. Remember, this is 2002.

[00:11:53]There hasn't been a war, so everybody is a new guy in actuality. uh we've been out there a at least a little while.

[00:12:01]We've been sneaking around so we're a little more, you know, attuned to things, but everybody else is new. So all the little things that became second nature, uh like getting off a Hilo and making sure you never stray from the guy in front of you and you know, as an RTO, uh you just follow your leader. And if that's a team leader, you follow that team leader. That radio is your weapon.

[00:12:30]And it it's the most effective weapon up there. But I believe he was uh confused.

[00:12:35]It's cold. It's cold. It's dark. Snow's blowing. You've gotten off many of Hilos and you know how easy it is to be just temporarily disoriented. But if you've also been listening to this cacophonic, you know, uh, gibberish and this assault, assault, assault, he's [ __ ] thinking the plan changed. We're assaulting the bunker and off he goes.

[00:12:59]And, uh, you know, I point this out and I mean it.

[00:13:04]He's a new guy, but this is kind of a heroic thing. He's charging a machine gun nest. You know, he's he believes his mission now has changed and he's charging the machine gun nest. Well, Slab obviously takes a headcount, notices he's missing, sees they can see him up ahead. He's heading for the bunker. He yelled to Chappie, "Chappy, what are you doing?" And I I can't remember exactly what Chappie said. It was something like, "Um, I don't know."

[00:13:33]Or, "I'm not sure." that last part he uh he says that Slab asked uh asked Chappie, "What are you doing?" Slab is on record in multiple interviews saying he reached out to to John and said, "Hey, John, what do you got?"

[00:13:50]And the answer was, "I don't know."

[00:13:52]Right as the gunfire from that bunker erupted. All right. So, it wasn't what are you doing and I don't know. So, that right there is a blatant bend of of the story trying to fit the the false narrative for the SEALs. Um, the the to call a combat controller an RTO is an insult. Period. Dot. Combat control are literally the most lethal soldiers on the battlefield. And hands down, I think that everybody that does what we do understands what I mean when I say that. And it is because their ability to project air power uh from their position embedded with the soft teams. So combat control RTO like that's a that's a no-go. You don't you don't do that. Like that's literally a slap in the face. Were they new? Yes, they were all new to include Brit Sinsky. Had he been in uh in areas deployed Bosnia and all that kind of stuff? Yes. But actual combat, they were all relatively new.

[00:14:55]back up to um to he talks about the team coming off the helicopter and going into a defilade position. So he's they went back um they went back to the mountaintop. I get it. Uh we analyzed the the crap out of that thing down to the gnat's ass. So, so yes, we know where the the positions are that uh that you could you could see uh have line of sight with the enemy or or or not depending um when when they got ready to do the assault.

[00:15:31]That had nothing to do with the um the the fires uh guy that was uh at Mser uh at the time. Um all of that noise on the radio, yes, did it add confusion?

[00:15:42]Absolutely. But the real coordination happened between Razer, Mako, Ultra, and Grim. We were the ones that coordinated what was going to happen. The decision to go back and do the assault and to infill exactly where they infilled on the X where they were were originally shot up and they were uh they originally lost Petty Officer Roberts. All of that decision rested with Brit Sinsky. He chose to do that. from Grim. We had highlighted a different position that was slightly offset. We were lasing that spot and coordinating with Razer and Mako for them to infill to our mark. And they chose to go straight back to that X. And so the reason why the reason why uh why Chappie ended up on point up that hill is because Slab is on record saying take the high ground and establish uh radiocoms.

[00:16:39]So Chappie was doing exactly what he was told to do. Make no mistake, the person in charge of the assault was Britt Sinsky. They had lost a teammate and they were going back to get him. And you know, there's other quotes out there where Brit says, "We're going in fast.

[00:16:55]We're going in hard and we're going to kill every [ __ ] up there."

[00:16:59]So like to for for Pete to come in with the bonafites that he has and then to try and twist all this stuff around, this is straight back to the Navy's playbook. And the reason why I know that is because this is exactly the argument that the Navy made against the upgrade for John Chapman's Medal of Honor.

[00:17:19]>> Now I also heard a version of this where Brit is the first one off the helicopter. He eats [ __ ] and then Chap leaprog him. is >> absolutely that that is what happened.

[00:17:31]So the original line had uh had Slab in front and Chappie was number two off the helicopter and we know that from the uh from the uh the crew debriefs and then Slab in his own words says he took a header off the end because he misjudged the depth of the snow that they were uh that they were bounding into. So when he jumped off the helicopter, like he literally lands in deep snow and that misjudgment through threw his balance off and so he falls forward, gets uh gets snow and ice in his uh in his goggles and and so forth. So Chappie jumps over him and ends up following the order that that uh that Blade or that Slab had just given him. And if you look at the interviews of Slab like he talks multiple times in multiple interviews about eyes right here all eyes on me you know he says you know right here right now and he gives the order of of what they're going to do. So to say that Chappie was a new RTO like th this was part of the Navy's playbook from uh from when we were going through the the metal upgrade process between the research began probably prior to 2014. Um but all of that upgrade process if it uh it went all the way into 2018 when it was finally decided and awarded um early that year and then the award was uh I think finally in August if I'm not mistaken but um >> yeah for the audience watching >> sorry >> I don't think they understand yeah for the audience watching I and hopefully majority of them do but for the uh common folks like the regular people like I don't think they understand how hard the Air Force special operation courses are to include a combat controller. Like what everybody within soft sees as like their elite standards, the combat controllers, the PJs, that's like the basic minimum for them.

[00:19:31]Everything that we do, those guys have to do more plus some because they have to be able to get attached to a SEAL team, to a SFODA, to a Mosak Raider team and be able to perform at the same level that they perform. They got to be able to move, shoot, communicate, medicate just like we are. And on top of that, whenever we need them to drop bombs, they got to be able to get to a position to coordinate all of that. like combat controllers, PJs, the re like those dudes. I would go I've been on record as saying like they have the hardest pipeline in the entire DoD. The attrition rate for those guys is ridiculous. Yeah. And I appreciate you saying that, Jay. And like I I don't have a dog in that fight. Like I I was air crew. I was on the on the gunship.

[00:20:17]I'm I was a crypto linguist. Like you it's it's a different different role. Um but to have another service member pay give credit where credit is due like the way I understand it and this has nothing to do with the um the love for our respective services or anything is just you know fact but like you said PJs in combat control they literally have to train to the standard of every other soft element out there in order to be embedded within those respective teams.

[00:20:47]So that's the reason why you can you could say what you say with confidence that that they train to a higher standard. It's because they got to train to the Ranger. They got to train to the Green Beret. They got to train to the SEAL. They got to train to the Mars operator. Like it's all of the above.

[00:21:03]>> Yeah. Exactly. And then whenever And those guys can't be dirts because >> when they step up to a team, they're not working with me. They're not working with some of the enlisted. working with that team leader to that captain like they're attached at the hips, you know, and he has to be professional. He has to be articulate. Even though the dudes are at E4 and E5, like they still have to be able to perform at that level to be able to tell a captain, no, we're not going to put fires right here because of X, Y, and Z. Like, I don't think folks understand. So to to to hear uh Chapman be painted um as such did raise a red flag for me because it's like no this this this this is he's probably more trained than all the guys that were with him on that mountain. He probably has more training than all of them combined and he probably did additional training with the team once he got attached.

[00:21:58]So he would, you know, something to put in perspective and like again I didn't I didn't know Chappie personally. Um I I I got a chance to uh to know him uh through the research and then I've uh I've you know spoken to and interacted with some close personal friends of his uh since then. You know, it's I I get the question all the time. It's like well you know how come how come the combat control community isn't out there speaking speaking out on that? and you know, why aren't they holding the seals accountable? And and I would tell you they it's because they're going to be the consmate quiet professional. Um they're they're staying quiet. They're uh they're sitting back. They've got somebody like me who's not even one of them advocating on their behalf because I was literally there. So like I bring the credibility necessary to say we saw Chappie definitively. Yes, there was fog and friction. Did anybody leave him on purpose? Absolutely not. like but you know for the lies that uh that unfolded afterward it was nothing more than to protect what would be perceived as mistakes uh when you do a a critical hotwash of it you know to to go right back to the X after we had lazed that point they they were supposed to leverage the fires that the gunship had with their eyes on the ground to identify targets and we would have incrementally helped them take control of that top the top of that mountain and they they would have gotten to Roberts's body and and so forth. In case anybody hasn't been following this, at this point, Petty Officer Roberts had fallen off the helicopter in during their initial assault from uh Razer 03. I say assault, uh it was the initial infill attempt of that sniper overwatch team.

[00:23:41]Uh that helicopter got rocked. Roberts fell out. So the the team has come back trying to rescue one of their own. They don't realize that Petty Officer Roberts and nor do we realize that Petty Officer Roberts had been killed. Um, the reason why we are there is because we had responded to Makeo30 Charlie, that was John Chapman, his mayday call that that they had crashed in the valley and he gave us the status of Roberts being up there. So, we were we established an orbit and started working that uh that mission from there. And in that role, we established what we call the onseen command uh role. My pilot was a weapon school graduate. One of the most senior uh gunship crews that was in the theater um along the likes of the current uh SOCOM vice commander. One of my other crew uh uh crews that was out there was with Shawn Frell. Uh so he's now a three-star general. So that just to put things in perspective on who was out there, the level, the quality, um like these were these were not scrubs. Uh whether we're talking about the ground parties or the the air crews that were out there. Um so yeah, just >> a a brief overview at least.

[00:24:50]>> Oh, for sure. For sure. And again, guys, if if you're um thinking about, you know, joining and going um towards the Air Force special operation route, make sure you go check out the guys at One Ready. All right, here you go, Peaches.

[00:25:02]That was your uh your um ad read for the day. All right. So, now let's check out the uh uh second part of the clip with um Pete talking about um him thinking that John Chapman was dead and then also the red on red um narrative that they're going with. Let's uh take a listen >> for one of the most complex deadly missions you could ever send guys on. My guys had two weeks and 10 days of immersion. And in during that immersion, you do stuff like, "Okay, what freaks are we all on, you're all on your internal comms, which they were on, but unless you've been in combat, you don't, everybody doesn't have the fires freak loaded or unless a fires guy comes around and loads it, right? That's just even assaulters. The fire guys comes around before he goes, "Hey, you got the fire support freak. No, load me up." So, none of them had that. Slab had it, but he's on his internal comms. He's not, even though the Empire can monitor both, he's doing what he should do, talking to his team, trying to, you know, keep him alive. Uh, but for 24 minutes, I called every 45 seconds to a minute, no answer.

[00:26:15]Finally, at 24, when Slab makes it over to the side, he switches freak. He knows I got to get the AC. And boom, now we're talking to, you know, my initial assessment. The reason I never thought that Chappie lived was because of that right there. Uh, not only did I watch the videos and never see a body move, but I called for 24 minutes and no one answered. He's the CCT. I know his radio worked because he called me from Gardez.

[00:26:48]That's his lifeline. Even if he was injured, he'd be on that radio [ __ ] calling in hell on earth on top of himself. And from everything I know, he was that kind of guy. He he would have done that. But he didn't have it. He He wasn't on that freak either. So I don't know. I don't, you know, I believe he was killed right off the bat. Slab begins. I, you know, I tell Slab, Slab, you got to control the AC. Just go ahead and have at it. You know where everyone's at. I don't. I can't see it.

[00:27:18]So they open up the AC. Like I said, it's 105 fire. It's incredibly inaccurate.

[00:27:24]They bombed the [ __ ] out of it. When you watch the full tape, you'll see this is hell on earth. They probably fired their basic load, which has got to be 25 to 50 rounds of 105 on top of that mountain.

[00:27:38]why they're doing it. You look up at this tiny rock cl uh rock outcropping up on this finger that leads down to the bunkers and there's two guys just [ __ ] huddled up sitting there, you know, showing you what kind of warriors that are up there.

[00:27:57]These are mountain fighters, man. And and you know, we have pictures of them because uh from the sensitive site exploitation. These are [ __ ] hardcore mountain fighters. And sure enough, they hang out. The AC-130 ceases fire. It's, you know, they're they're about out of ammo. But then they fly off station and and this enemy somehow knew that. And you watch this is I I told you I asked when I saw the the edited tape, where's the enemy? where's that enemy that comes IMT and individual movement technique across the snow plane and that's when you know he's like ah forget it you don't want to watch it and he shut it down so I it it's not on there but that's what kept me skeptical and wanting to find out more information sure enough uh this is Redbeard the first guy of the two comes down up down up down up down well-trained fighter Uh they're confused.

[00:29:05]Uh I believe he thinks Slab's team has taken over the bunker and but here he comes. He's coming back to get the bunker again. So again, telling you what kind of guy this is, he's iming back to assault that bunker. But the first place he goes to and he the whole way he knows this mountain. He's got uh Robert's pants on, his Gortex pants on. He knows this mountain because when you track where he went, he went into a perfect defilade position where the bunker could not shoot. You know, it's below that fivetory thing. You can't uh uh deelevate your weapon to to shoot at that angle. The first thing he does is go up to that stove where Chappie was hit. IMT's right up to it. Sits there for 30, 45 seconds. Probably checked.

[00:29:56]saw that John was dead. IMT is right back down. His position is out of defilade. Goes down all the way around, flanks the bunker, gets up. You watch his AK. You watch the report on the Predator video. He begins firing at the bunker. Then the fire comes out of the bunker. Uh uh both RPK machine gun and uh RPG Redbeard goes down. Uh, and how do we know all that about Redbeard? Because where he goes down in that videotape is exactly where my guys found him uh when they came across him on the sensitive site exploitation. We took pictures. We marked the body, marked the position.

[00:30:40]Never never moved from that position.

[00:30:43]Now the other enemy who was hiding up there starts iming down. He too comes down all the way to where Chappie ended up, but he doesn't leave. He stays there and what's going on in the background again, unbeknownst to me, I'm down there. It's starting to get a little bit light.

[00:31:03]>> I [ __ ] So, he's he's right about the movement. He's right about the IMT and and so forth. But the reason why they were moving around is because Chappie was in that bunker. So, the reason why Redbeard goes down is cuz Chappie killed him.

[00:31:16]>> Okay. So his cuz he's making it sound like additional fighters on the same size were at that bunker, but it was actually John Chapman fighting.

[00:31:30]>> There were multiple fighters that So I I'm going to tell this to the audience right now. I am not the foremost expert on all of the actions that uh that John took on the ground after our gunship departed. um where where I specifically can can tell you absolutely without a shadow of a doubt, we watched John Chapman with Strobe crawl back into that bunker. We saw that. We talked about it.

[00:31:57]We know that there was somebody that was there in real time. That's what I know in hindsight after all of the research and being privy to all of that. The the imagery analysts, this was a joint team.

[00:32:09]This was not just Air Force imagery analysts. There were army involved. This stuff happened uh through uh National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. There were a number of people that reviewed it.

[00:32:20]It um when they went back and they looked at all of that, you could see the individual movements, you could see them coming over to to that bunker. The reason why you know that that John wasn't killed immediately, look back at what they did to uh to Petty Officer Roberts, they took his gear, they defiled his body. Okay? They never did that to John Chapman. John Chapman was found with all of his stuff intact to include his weapons.

[00:32:47]Okay. All of his rounds were uh were nearly expended. He was down to the last few rounds uh in his rifle. Okay. None of that none of that was defiled nor defaced. The reason is because they couldn't get to him because he fought the entire way all the way up until the QRF arrived on uh Razer 01. And that was when the Ranger element uh with Captain Nate self came in. And that's when when Chappie from bunker one came out of uh of cover to put suppressive fire down um to help protect the Hilo because he knew the Hilo was in the area cuz he could hear it. They make a high-speed pass around the area. They come back in for the assault. Um there's nothing sneaky about a 47. You can hear it coming miles away. So did Were there were there individual movements? Uh is what Pete describing? Is that accurate? Yes, but but the piece that's in the bunker is John Chapman. And that's the reason why they're moving around is because they're trying to find that other guy.

[00:33:49]>> So, they weren't shooting at themselves.

[00:33:51]They were maneuvering in and around Chapman.

[00:33:54]>> So, like like Pete said, you know, uh the sun's coming up, it's daylight, they're in close proximity. And this is the reason why like in the end when we were talking about um the final approval after everything had been through all of the boards. Okay, so it's got to go through valor boards. It went through a valor board at uh at ASOC. It went through a valor board at JOC. It went through a valor board at SOCOM. Um it gets to uh to the Pentagon. And in the in the last the last moments like there was some uh there were some shenanigans going on between Navy uh you know against Air Force when during these boards when when you're interviewing and you're you're making your case for the uh the Medal of Honor. Um each service had a chance to make their case for their guy. Well, the Air Force laid out their case for John Chapman. The Navy took all of their time and focused against John Chapman rather than speaking to the reasons why they wanted to upgrade Britt Sinsky.

[00:34:57]Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[00:35:00]Anyway, that gets shut down. It gets approved uh at the Pentagon level. the um the last uh the last thing from the chief of staff of the air force is he takes his uh his chief of sta the chief of staff of the air force had a chief of staff. He takes his chief of staff who is a former 24 commander and he's one of the experts on exactly what all unfolded because he was in command of the team that re-engaged all of this research in favor of the Medal of Honor upgrade for John Chapman. So, uh, they call him Wolf. Wolf is the guy who gets dispatched to go brief Secretary Mattis as the sect defaf at the time. And Mattis says, "What's the prevailing view of others?" In other words, like, "Give me the counterargument. I want to hear what those that aren't in favor of this, what are they saying?" And it was the red-on-re theory. And it goes back to this same red beard stuff that the Navy had been pushing from the very get-go.

[00:35:58]So, if you go if you go all the way back to the beginning, there were three potential uh theories. The theory was that that Roberts survived. Okay, that was completely debunked because we knew in the footage that uh that they had damn near decapitated the man and he was killed. Like they literally um they they shot him at point blank range. Okay, Roberts was killed. He could not have survived. We watched his body get drug up in real time. We didn't know the absolute fate. um the the point blank range shot and uh and the near decapitation was captured from the predator footage. Either way, Robert's body is positioned up by the rockout crop and we know he's dead. The other uh theory is that it was Chapman. Okay. The third theory was red on red. So from a Navy standpoint, they wanted everything to go back on Roberts. Okay. There was talk about them submitting Roberts for the Medal of Honor and so forth, but that immediately got squashed because they knew like the the evidence was overwhelming that Roberts was dead. Now you have only the Chapman and the red on red theory that survive. So from a protect the image of seals, we can't have it be that we left Chapman up there. So the only thing that we can go with, and you know, I'm oddly I'm left with my middle finger here. Um I it was probably probably not on purpose on my part, but uh I guarantee you there's a meaning uh behind that. Anyway, it ends up being red on red. And that's the that's the theory that they go with because that's the only thing that that they can quote unquote save face for.

[00:37:31]Look, I'm not throwing shade at uh at the Seals uh and their deter their decision making in the heat of fire. Um they took casualties, Britt Sinsky, as far as his his immediate actions. I would tell you he's as heroic as the rest of the guys. Um, John Chapman just happens to be a little bit more heroic based on the circumstances and what all unfolded. Um, Chappie Chappie charged up there based on an order. It ended up being a bunker. He's point blank range and he's the one who single-handedly takes out the immediate threat that was bunker number one. So, >> and that's the first Medal of Honor, right?

[00:38:06]>> Yes. Yes. So, >> the Air Force the Air Force knew all along that you could have separated these things and gone with two separate submissions. They chose to to lump everything into one and to and to, you know, purposely like, hey, we're going to put it all right here and we're going to make sure that this package gets gets across the finish line because Chappie deserved it. Like there's mo anyone outside of uh the SEALs that are trying to spew the false narrative understand this like John Chapman was literally hero of the day as far as that that moment and what what unfolded. So the circumstances that that Slab directed puts him on point. He goes up.

[00:38:52]He single-handedly takes out that bunker. Let's look back at what uh what they put in Slab's writeup. They say that he co-assed the bunker. Well, the video footage shows that that Slab is behind Chappie the whole way and Slab doesn't put rounds in that bunker until he's firing confirmatory shots after Chappie has already entered and exited the bunker.

[00:39:15]So, there's there is no co- assault other than he went up the mountain behind Chappie. All right. The other thing that they give credit for for Slab is that he rescued his his team when when they crashed.

[00:39:30]So think about this.

[00:39:32]If All right. So in the Iran conflict, we have uh we had an aircraft get shot down. If that if that air crew gets on the radio and uh and calls in rescue forces, did did that is that air crew responsible for rescuing themselves?

[00:39:54]>> No. Somebody else had to go in and get them.

[00:39:56]>> Exactly. So force are the people that rescued them and they were decorated for their actions. Okay.

[00:40:04]But in in Slab's Medal of Honor write up, it talks about, "Well, the first thing I had to do was rescue my team."

[00:40:11]Like, you didn't rescue [ __ ] Slab. I'm sorry. Like, the person who coordinated that was John Chapman as Makeo30. The reason why I know that is because Makeo30 Charlie Chapman was on the radio with us as the onseen commander. Y'all can look that up. That is a rescue role.

[00:40:28]And it onseen commander was something that was typically preserved for A-10s in the Sandy role that uh that spec specifically exists for rescue capabilities.

[00:40:38]Well, when you're the first aircraft overhead something, you assume that same role. Whether you're an A-10 or an AC-130 or anything, if you've got eyes and a radio, you have the ability to help affect the rescue of a team that's in trouble. So, in this case, it's that air crew and that team. John Chapman 30 Charlie's on the radio with us. We are Grim 32 on scene command and we're coordinating with Razer 04 the sister ship who is line of sight blocked from uh from radio contact with them. So we're the ones that are coordinating the the rescue effort >> which absolutely did he to Ultra? I'm sure he did. But he didn't rescue the team and that's part of the justification that ended up in his Medal of Honor upgrade.

[00:41:26]I'm telling you again is stolen valor.

[00:41:29]>> Just having been there and and seen it develop when the combat controller is doing work. Everyone else like we just sit there and shut the [ __ ] up because we don't know like he's talking air force to air force, right? And the rest of us are just there. The captain is talking army to him and he's like it's it's almost like like just magical, right? Especially the layer of air that that guy has to, you know, control and maneuver and like we we're just like, "All right, man. Just save our ass."

[00:42:01]Like, we're not coordinating [ __ ] We're not talking cuz we don't talk air force, right? We're just letting the comeback controller do his thing. Um, now when it came to the Medal of Honor process, again, if I'm putting anybody because again, to get the Medal of Honor, there's extensive work as far as u statements that has to get collected, uh, writeups, etc., etc. What role did you guys play as you know the um the uh the ones that were on site and witness everything? What role did you guys played in supporting Slinsky's Medal of Honor? Because again, you guys saw the entirety of the picture. I would think >> you guys have on that.

[00:42:46]>> Yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to step on you. Um the Navy submitted uh Britt Savinsk's uh Medal of Honor upgrade like all through Navy channels. Now obviously it hit joint when it went through review processes and so forth, but there was there was no uh additional uh support, no statements requested from the Air Force or anything like that. That was that was an internal effort that they pushed.

[00:43:10]>> Okay. Yeah. Because I also heard Pete talking about because he was the original writer for Sinsk's award. I also heard him saying that they just ignored technically they should have went through him to upgrade it because he wrote the original. I also heard him say that they didn't even talk to him.

[00:43:30]They just went ahead and did it which is not the right way. I don't even think you can do that >> cuz he was the he won the original award.

[00:43:38]>> There might be some blurred lines there.

[00:43:40]Uh, and so was was Pete the commander?

[00:43:43]Yes, he was the ground force commander.

[00:43:46]But then you have to think about like the organizational uh command structure.

[00:43:50]So they were they were a SEAL or they were a combat controller and they were assigned to a different unit that had a commander. So the the command role in in that metal upgrade, I think I would tell you Pete's right. You know, he should have been consulted. But did it go through command channels? Yes, because it went through their their owning command >> chain of command. Yeah.

[00:44:12]>> Yeah. So, I think the lines are blurred.

[00:44:14]Uh Pete probably should have been consulted with all of that. Now, that said, um Pete made a statement about believing that that Chappie was uh was killed right away because Chappie didn't come up on the radio. I can't I can't explain why Chappie didn't get up on the radio. The only thing that makes sense to me is that he had some sort of equipment malfunction because a a combat controller, like Pete said, that is their lifeline. Like that's the last thing that you expect is for not to hear him back up on the radio. We heard him before when the initial assault happens.

[00:44:46]We don't hear him. Okay? But but here's the thing that uh that Pete leaves out, and he doesn't talk about this. There's a fellow named Jay Hill who also signed an affidavit with us when we were doing the the Medal of Honor package for for John Chapman. Jay Hill was one of Pete's Overwatch teams on an adjacent mountain.

[00:45:06]Jay Hill when he came off of the mountain, he went straight to Pete Blabber and told Pete Chappie was still alive. I heard him on the radio. Pete knows that. Pete doesn't talk about that.

[00:45:21]>> Jay Hill, >> man.

[00:45:23]>> Jay Hill is on the record. It's It was an affidavit that he signed. He is the guy who was on an adjacent mountain who heard he I think he was with what they were calling Juliet team. Um Jay Jay heard Makeo30 Charlie. They're in the same unit. He recognizes his voice. He knows his radio etiquette. He knows his cadence. He knows definitively that that was John Chapman's voice. that eventually came up on the radio. I can't attest to that because it happened after our gunship had departed. But Jay Hill when he came out of the field, he told Pete that when they were in Gardez. So when Pete says he went up a couple of days later to review the tapes, Jay had already talked to him.

[00:46:04]>> Well, I tell you what, whoever Jay Hill is, wherever he's at, we would love to speak with him. Um, feel free to reach out. Rob, I don't know if you still have his contact information, but feel feel free to send him my way because at the end of the day, man, I just want to know what the heck is going on, right?

[00:46:18]Because um like I've been a pretty avid supporter of John Chapman and the heroic actions that he took that day and to just hear it coming from somebody that prominent that that wasn't the case really [ __ ] with me, right? And I don't really like being [ __ ] with. Uh but anything else, Rob, before we wrap this one up?

[00:46:38]They I think it's just it's just frustrating when um like this is this is purely, you know, a repeat of the same false narrative. Uh there's a a fellow named George Hartwell that's uh that's behind it. He was the intel guy that uh that Jeremy Williams as the commander of Dev Group at the time tasked his intel guy and that was George Hartwell. And his task was to research the Air Force's research. Um, I've got that in in George's own words where he sends an email in 2019 to Pete Blabber trying to convince him of what the Navy false narrative was. He's like, "Look, Air Force is just running rampant. They're they're trying to pull the wool over people's eyes and he's he's pointing fingers at us, us." Well, the reality is all it was was them trying to protect the image of SEALs because unfortunately a mistake was made and Chappie was presumed to be dead. He was unconscious.

[00:47:36]He came back to it's on footage. And the whole reason why there's IMT is because Chappie is alone up on that mountain and he's continuing the fight. It happens for damn near an hour and 20 minutes.

[00:47:47]And all of the footage does exist there.

[00:47:49]Exactly. Right. But uh but you know, hey Pete, uh take a dose of your own your own advice. Listen to the boots on the ground. And in this case, it's the the trained professional imagery analysts that analyzed all of that footage. So, that's pretty much all I got to say.