Deadpool (2016) succeeds as a superhero film by uniquely combining irreverent humor, fourth wall breaking, and genuine emotional depth through its central love story between Wade Wilson and Vanessa, demonstrating that effective superhero narratives require balancing entertainment with authentic character development and emotional stakes.
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I'm going to wait out here. Okay. It's a big house. It's funny that I only ever see two of you. It's almost like the studio couldn't afford another X-Men.
Hello and welcome once again to the Caphiles where we are continuing our exploration of Deadpool. My name is Steve Morris. I'm a filmmaker and directing instructor in Los Angeles, California. Maximum effort. Hello everyone. My name is John Roa. I'm a writer, producer, host, and voiceover artist here in San Diego, California. I guess I should say critic. You know, I don't say critic enough when I do those kinds of things, but I guess I should say that. I'm trying to embrace that a little bit more. Uh, but yes, excited.
>> Secret shame about criticism. I mean, we need to discuss.
>> I think there's always been a sense of like uh what do they call that? Uh what what do the actors call it when they think they're going to get found out?
Like it's just that kind of thing.
>> Oh, imposttor syndrome.
>> Imposttor syndrome. Yes. because I'm not Roger Eert yet. I, you know, but I am qualified. No, I was right. I've qualified for a number of critics organizations. I get invited to review this stuff. And so, yes, I am a critic.
It's just that I I have issues with saying it about myself because I do still get myself caught up with feeling like, well, I'm not Peter Travers or Owen Gberman or Roger Eert. U but I think my opinions have validity and people watch them. So, I will say that >> 100%. I mean, it's like, is Shannon McClung not an actor because he's not Tom Cruz or Tom Hanks or Ryan Gosling?
>> I guess that's fair, right?
>> I mean, like, yeah, there there are >> such a good actor.
>> He's a fantastic actor and you're a great critic that I I >> I think the jury has come back in. The verdict is that you can call yourself critic. There is no should be no imposttor syndrome.
>> I appreciate that very much. Please tell my YouTube comment thread that. I would appreciate that.
>> I will not talk to your YouTube comment thread. I'm your friend, but I'm not stupid.
>> That's a fair point.
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>> Absolutely. So, where we left off, we were having the most lovely romantic, also sexy and funny love story going on between Vanessa and Wade. And then we got hit with the world's worst news, which is a cancer diagnosis. And that is where we left off with them in the doctor's office. And we cut from there right back to our fight scene, our action sequence with Deadpool with his swords through this guy that he's suspending above him.
>> And uh he pulls those swords apart. And that is it for that guy.
>> Now, if I were a 200lb sack of [ __ ] named Francis, where would I hide?
>> We hear the motorcycle. We turn and there we see Ajax going by. He chases after him, a course with some cool jumping, spinning moves, throws the sword in the wheel. The motorcycle crashes into a car.
>> A hush falls over the crowd as rookie sensation Wade W. Wilson out of Regina, Saskatchewan, lines up the shot. His form looks good.
>> And he kicks him in the hell.
>> Oh, that's why Regina rhymes with fun.
He's a proud Canadian, Steve. He will He weaves in a lot of Canadian references in this movie. And the thing is, Francis Ajax doesn't know who he is. And then he pulls off a little bit of his mask. How about now?
Wade [ __ ] Wilson. Well, hello, gorgeous.
>> Yeah, like I got bit by a radioactive sharpi.
>> The jokes about his appearance are going to go on and on and on. I think it's smart film make or smart uh script work as well in film making because you want to make the audience comfortable with his looks and so if everybody's making fun of his looks or commenting on his looks the audience isn't necessarily caught up with being with reacting to his looks and this is the you know part of the plot is that Wade has been convinced because Ajax said that he could cure him of this thing which >> yes >> I mean I think we think from the beginning is [ __ ] and obviously Wade's going to find out later that it is and I love the moment Because, you know, we introduced Colossus and Negga Sonic Teenage Warhead earlier that we see Colossus appearing right behind Wade just as he's about to give Ajax the beatdown and he goes, "Now I'm going to do to you what Limp Biscuit did to music in the late 90s."
I have no opinion on the Limp Biscuit joke. I I didn't listen to them in the late 90s. I don't know what they did.
So, okay.
>> Um, >> yeah, it was some interesting angry uh angry rock. Yeah, for sure.
>> And he go swings back to give Ajax a big punch and his fist runs into a very metal crotch.
>> I'm about to do to you what Limp Biscuit did to music in the late '9s.
>> Dad.
>> Oh god. He gets tossed in slow-mo as he's flying.
>> I think we can all agree that [ __ ] just went sideways in the most colossal way.
>> Heyo. And then again, we're going to cut out of this fight scene. And and here's something I want to point out is is, you know, there are so many ways that Ryan and the writers and Tim Miller were brilliant about budget.
>> This is one of them. Because if you think about your average action movie or superhero movie, you're going to have to have several action set pieces scattered throughout the movie. You don't want to go more than 15 or 20 minutes without having a new fight scene. The problem is every time you have a new action setpiece, you have to have a new set.
You have to have new characters. You have to have new outfits, you have to have new choreography, and and if it's a good one, you kind of have to have a new concept, like a new idea. It's not just people fight, it's how do they fight and what do they do, >> right?
>> What they did was they stretched one fight scene that we're going to go in and out of for the first 45 minutes of the movie.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Amazing how they did that.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's one set. It's all the same characters. You don't have to redress anything. You don't have to We just keep coming back to it and get a little bit more action without spending more money.
>> Exactly. Yeah.
>> Super smart.
>> So, we now we cut out from that to the the action figure of Deadpool from Wolverine Origins. Yeah.
Which I think is a great a great cut, a great little reference. And we go from that to >> this is my most prized possession.
>> Wham.
>> No, no, no, no. Wham.
>> Make it Big is the album that George and Andy earned me.
>> What's your feelings on Wham Make It Big?
>> Oh, it was it was huge when I was in high school.
>> Yeah, I never had I never had the album, but I certainly heard a ton of Wham. Did you have this album?
>> Oh, I had this cassette that I played endlessly. I mean, Wake Man Before You Go Go is the song that made them global superstars, right? But I mean, everything she Wants is great on the album. And even the quieter ones that didn't get released as hits. I think Heartbeat and Credit Guard Baby, If You Were There, those are great songs. But then you have Freedom and you have Careless Whisper, which really was George Michael's masterpiece uh before he fully went solo. So, yeah, this was the album that kind of announced them, but also kind of was the end of Whim in interesting ways. Yeah. You know what's funny is so I say obviously I was not listening to a ton of music in the 90s but in the 80s I definitely was. But the the the gang that I hung out with were anti-pop.
>> So I listened to the specials I listened to Madness SCA reae all you know I listened to um the violent fee were huge like those were the thing. So that was kind of anti-WAM, anti- Duran Duran, anti- like the things that were bigger pop songs my group of friends were not listening to cuz that wasn't cool. That doesn't mean that I don't think it was good music. It was that it's that dividing line of like are you cool or not thing, you know?
>> Yeah. I think movies and music are where like for me and like I liked it all. I liked it all. I mean the the limit was like thrash metal or like Iron Maiden was I mean that was about the limit to where I got to was Iron Maiden. I couldn't go like there was I had a friend who used to play me metal church back in the 80s and he's like that was a little too far for me. So I could go far out into the heavy metal side and then I was a big soft rock guy. So like I had everything in between I loved and enjoyed. Now did I play any of it loudly for people to hear? Not always because that would get your ass kicked but there were certain things that I was into and wham I was definitely into. I kind of love that and I guess just recognizing George Michael's voice, you know. So, >> it's a great voice. Well, I think you were more open to stuff than I think I was at that age in high school. That's what it sounds like.
>> Well, open, but like not open, you know.
Not like in the closet. In You were in the closet, but in that closet, you were exploring musicals and all sorts of great stuff.
>> Yes. Yes. Which drove my father, my macho father, insane. Yes. Yes. Very true.
>> Yeah. I was in the cuz I loved musicals and I loved oldies >> but but I was also so insecure and shy that I was like I you know I want people to think I'm cool and so I I I you know what I was in the closet too. I mean I think that's really the reality is closet >> for sure.
>> Anyway, >> Wade is not in a closet about his love for Wham. In fact, it's very important that you say it the right way. And the thing is what he's doing is packing up.
>> Am I supposed to just smile and wave you out the door? Think of it like spring cleaning, only if spring was death. God, if I had a nickel for every time I spanked it to Bernand Peters, >> which took the joke took me a second because I was like, finally you go like, "Oh, he's got a like a Bernardet Peters coin purse." Um, by the way, I love Bernardet Peters and I I respect that. Honestly, the respect is how I >> I'm in the Bernardet Peters spank club for sure. I mean, she was a hottie back in the 80s. She was she was hottie for years and never mind not just in the 80s.
>> I saw her perform live two years ago.
>> Oh wow.
>> And she was still a hottie for 70 or however old she is now. But >> yeah, >> but and the thing is is they had to go to Bernardet Peters and get her approval to use her image along with this joke.
>> Oh wow.
>> And I think Ryan Reynolds actually called her up to ask and she said sure.
Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure she loved it.
Yeah. Bernardet is not going anywhere because you're not going anywhere.
>> You're right. Cancer's only in my liver, lungs, prostate, and brain. All things I can live without.
>> You belong here at home, surrounded by your Voltron, and your Bernardet and your me.
>> It's great. Is she so great? And it's such a great love story.
>> We both know that cancer is a [ __ ] show.
Like a yakoff smearingoff opening for the spin doctors at the Iowa State Fair.
[ __ ] show and under no circumstances will I take you to that show.
>> For you kids, Jack Omeirov was a Russian comic in the 80s that uh always made the joke about uh about how things were uh backwards in Russia compared to the United States. So yeah, for those you don't know that and spin doctors, I don't think I need to explain that. So >> you don't need to give an intro for spin doctors.
>> I don't think so. What I what I love about what what's so great about WDE's character is for how violent and sarcastic and totally uncensored he is.
>> He's a good guy, at least in this relationship, you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I agree 100%. Yeah. He's He's never been more open, >> right, I imagine, than in this relationship. And so he's letting it all the vulnerability out.
>> I want you to remember me, not the ghost of Christmas me.
>> Well, I want to remember us. I swear to God I will find you in the next life and I'm going to boom box Careless Whisper outside your window.
>> Wham!
>> No one is boom boxing [ __ ] Okay.
Besides, I just realized something. You win. Your life is officially way more [ __ ] up than mine.
>> And they say, "I love you." And they kiss. And we get the sense that she's convinced him to stay with him.
>> Cut to uh back to the bar where Weasel is there. Look like you need a [ __ ] in a shower. Courtesy calls for the latter first. How about three shots of patrol?
>> Or how about tritica wheatgrass?
Excellent for the immune system.
>> Jesus Christ, you sound like Vanessa.
>> So obviously Vanessa has gotten to weasel.
>> Yeah. And Wade has a handful of brochures for all the, you know, under the radar possible qu wacky medical treatments for cancer. Um, which is a bunch of deleted scenes, by the way, where they actually do go to Mexico.
They do and Yeah. And there's like a essentially a a con artist, you know, witch doctor >> that they're going to see that Wade exposes and protects some people that are, you know, and it's all good, but it's totally good that they cut it out of the movie.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh that guy over there came in looking for you. Real Grim Reaper type.
and he goes to the booth and there is Jed Ree who plays the recruiter.
>> Yeah, I mean I know Jed Ree from Galaxy Quest. That's that's really the the big thing as Tab. He's so great in that movie.
>> Uh of great actors in that movie. He is really a lot of fun. But yeah, worked for a number of years, a number of TV shows, The X-Files, The Sentinel, 21 Jump Street, um The Ringer, CSI, you know, so many things. Pretty Little Liars uh all over. And uh Resident Alien even recently last year, one of my quietly favorite shows uh from Alan Tutic. If you haven't watched Resident Alien and you want a feel-good funny sci-fi show, I highly recommend that show for sure for everybody.
>> The thing that's amazing to me is the character he plays in Galaxy Quest is as positive and likable.
>> Yeah.
>> A character as you can imagine. and he with the same face can play what it that that Wade just nails him as a creep child molester who's evil and horrible and you go yeah >> which is is just more proof that like no actors are not just one thing they actually become different things that's part of being an actor >> you know and especially being a character actor for sure >> that's what you have to do and he we find out that he already knows that Wade has cancer >> I'm sorry you've had such a tough go.
>> I think one of the things he does really well is fake sympathy.
>> Yes.
>> Is >> Yes.
>> making it sound saying the words and sounds like he's being sympathetic, but having it be transparent and phony.
That's really good at >> Well, he's a recruiter. How do you How do you recruit really well and be good at your job? You convince people that you care.
>> Uh just like the dude from the the Squid Game uh shows, the guy who recruits those people to be a part of Yeah. What if I told you we can cure your cancer?
And what's more, give you abilities most men only dream of?
>> We, you know, we know what movie we're watching. It's like, okay, here's the superhero origin story. Like, this is the this is the turn for that. Wade's not buying any of it.
>> I'd say that you sound like an infomercial, but not a good one like Slap Chop, more Shake Wadey.
>> Shake Wade's got to be one of the dumbest infomercials that ever was on TV. Look, >> Agent Smith, I tried the hero business and it left a mark, but if I ever hit [ __ ] it, I'll look you up.
>> So, he's saying no to this guy, but as he walks away, you can see that he's thinking about it.
>> Yeah. They cut to back. He's back at his place with Vanessa. He's looking out the window. There's a storm. The camera is pushing in on him. And I think I I have no evidence that this is actually an important moment in terms of the relationship with Ryan Reynolds and Tim Miller, the director, >> but it feels to me like it could be. And and I'm not so so take this with all the grains of salt. I I'm not saying this because I've heard it's a fact. But well, I know this thing happened, but whether or not that's an issue with him and Tim, I don't know. But they're doing the scene and Ryan is being very emotional >> and then he comes over to look at the monitor after and goes, "It's too dark."
And Tim goes, "What are you talking about?" He's like, "I've been crying like tears streaming down his face and you couldn't see it because it wasn't light." And and Tim Miller goes, "You were crying."
That to me, >> oof oof, >> that to me is and and like I said, I don't know that this is anything important, but to me that is a special effects director who's an expert in all of this stuff, but not necessarily an expert with working with actors really not understanding what's going on for an actor.
>> It's and it's a feature film debut, so you know, you're going to have some missteps. But I also think I mean the character is the character but these moments are at times a bit how can I say this the tone is unusual like these mo sitting there crying when he's been this sarcastic smartassy guy the moments when he gets like really deeply emotional at times feel out of step with the movie and I think this is one of those moments for me now it's probably not true for everybody who watches the movie but for me I'm like why are we getting really serious like just seemed like kind of odd at times when he chooses to do it.
So, that being said though, I do agree with you. The director has to respect the actor's process and if he's doing something to not even know that he's doing it is a real big mistake on the director.
>> Well, it's funny though because I when we started, you said that one of the reasons that you like Deadpool more than either of the sequels is the heart and the relationship and the emotional part.
And so like and I agree with you.
Deadpool is a crazy balance of tones.
Yes.
>> I mean it is. Yeah.
>> And so yeah, this is the that moment the really super sad heartfelt stuff like also in with the cancer diagnosis. Those are >> those are outliers. They they work for me, but I can but the tone is so all over the place that I can see it throwing people off, too, you Well, and the Vanessa Cancer one that works well because they still have their little kind of sarcastic back and forth about it. But in this one, when he's all by himself crying and stuff, I just don't know what the the I just don't know what the logic was on Ryan's point of view to have it this way. Maybe as an actor, it was a little bit like I can do this kind of stuff because remember this is Ryan didn't do much drama before this movie.
So maybe this was Ryan also as an actor going like I want to be able to show that I can do this color if I need to, you know, which I think is fair. And then he's packing up cuz he's going to leave her.
>> The worst part about cancer isn't what it does to you, but what it does to the people you love. Who knew if this guy could save my life? But I knew there was only one way that I could save hers.
>> Isn't that what superheroes do?
>> I think that he is wrong.
>> Yeah.
>> Making the wrong choice, >> but I think he is making the wrong choice for the right reasons.
>> Yeah. And now again, we go back to that fight.
Right where we left it with getting thrown by Colossus.
>> This is a shameful and reckless use of your powers. You will both be coming with us.
>> Look, Colossus, I don't have time for the goody two shoes [ __ ] right now.
And you are >> Negaic Teenage Warhead.
>> Negasic teenage? What the [ __ ] That's the coolest name ever.
>> Does Deadpool think that's the coolest name ever?
>> I do think so. Yes, 100%. It is the coolest name ever.
>> It is. Well, this is because the the thing we we talk about Deadpool being >> sarcastic and insulting and all of those things.
>> Yeah.
>> Deadpool is also an enthusiast.
>> Yes, >> he he loves Wham. He lo He does love Bernardet Peters and he loves this name.
part of the I think the the negativity only works because he is so enthusiastic about the things that he loves, you know.
>> Yes, that's part of the charm of him is the balance of that. Yeah, I agreed.
Yeah.
>> And he's still punching Ajax through this whole time.
>> Can we go?
>> When uh Deadpool walks back towards her, you can totally see Ryan Reynolds acting through the suit. You know what I mean?
Like he puts on a whole because you can't see his face. So, he's got to put on a whole phys physical performance.
>> Look, I'm a teenage girl. I'd rather be anywhere than here. I'm all about long, sullen silences followed by mean comments followed by more silences. So, what's it going to be? Huh? Long sullen silence or mean comment? Go on.
>> You got me IN A BOX HERE.
>> YOU got me in a box here is one of my favorite jokes in the movie. It really is.
>> Oh, yeah. And his reaction like, I knew it. Yeah. That's great.
>> That's awesome.
>> Colossus is still trying to get him to to to to come with them. Deadpool calls him a big chrome [ __ ] gobbler.
>> You know what's so funny? It's like I didn't know that we wanted this like that we wanted a superhero who is an insider to call [ __ ] on all the stupid superhero stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> But but we do.
>> You're really going to [ __ ] this up for me? Trust me, that wheezing bag of dick tips has it coming. Besides, nobody's getting hurt.
>> At which point, a bloody corpse falls from the upper deck onto the road.
>> That guy was already up there when I got here.
>> The whole conflict is pretty basic.
Colossus wants Wade to be a good guy and join the X-Men and be one of them, and he doesn't want to do it.
>> And then Wade has wonderful, charming monologues that I will play for you now.
The day I decide to become a crimefighting [ __ ] swizzler who rooms with a bunch of other little whiners at the Neverland mansion of some creepy old bald Heaven's Gate looking [ __ ] on that day. I'll send your shiny happy ass a friend request. But until then, I'm going to do what I came here to do.
>> I think he knows he can go this far with Colossus because he knows Colossus is a big guy and a nice guy. So like you know Yeah. He's not going to hit Wade out of anger or anything. So Wade just lets it all fly, but it means nothing to Colossus because he's kind of, and I don't want to say this in a mean way, but he's a better man than than Wade.
And so he will deal with Wade's abuse because he knows he's the stronger person and the bigger person, literally and figurative.
>> And while we've been distracted by this argument with Colossus and Deadpool, Ajax has gotten away, which Negasic calls out. He looks around and Deadpool then does which I'm going to again I'm saying more things I have no evidence of it but he does a non-uple take. Not a double take or a triple take or even the rare quadruple take.
>> He does nine takes.
>> Yeah.
>> World's record. I don't know. But I think Guinness should be looking into this.
>> And he now he's just pissed. He goes, "That's does it." Leaps up, punches Colossus in the face, breaking his hand.
And Colossus is reasonably trying to talk him down. Cockshot punches him in the crotch, breaks the other hand, and he's standing there with the two floppy hands.
You should really stop. And they go, "All dinosaurs feared the T-Rex." And he's standing there like that.
And you know, he's not This to me is like is like Bender in the Breakfast Club. He is not He's gonna take more detentions.
>> Yeah.
>> He's just gonna take them. He does a big kick and we watch in closeup as his foot breaks. I will say misery style.
Yeah. Right in front of us. It's like ah >> he ankles himself.
>> Do you have off switch?
>> Yeah. It's right next to the prostate.
Or is that the on switch?
>> He hits him across the the road to slam in a car. And one of the things in this shot when he slams in the car, one of the things that was important to both Rob Lifeeld when they created the character and also as they did it here is that Deadpool's a lot of things, but he's not a big guy.
>> Mhm.
>> And so he looks particularly small obviously next to Colossus that makes a big difference, but it's not he is not a huge guy. He's small and quirky and weird, you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Which helps the audience connect to him.
>> He's smart. Yeah.
>> Let us go talk to the professor. Makavoy or Stewart? These timelines are so confusing.
>> This I can't for those who weren't like didn't see this in the theater. I cannot explain how insane it was at the at the time that these jokes were used in the film because like we had adhereed to this idea that you don't mention other people's films and like the other studios films in your film. That was a big deal. The fact that this film broke all the norms of that was what made it endearing to a lot of people who are hardcore comic book people who follow this stuff or had been watching all these superhero movies. The fact that he was able to say Makavoy or MC like just genius uh in in in the approach there to kind of almost make fun of the whole situation which is just so smart.
>> You know what it it's it's it's don't talk about the man behind the curtain, you know, right? Like we all know there's this illusion and we're not supposed to mention it and it's so fun that he mentions them all.
>> Yes. Yes. The fact that he says or later he's gonna say later like don't make the costume green as a Green Lantern reference. The fact that we saw just you mentioned just a few minutes ago the figurine from the Wolverine movie like all these things that are taking the piss out of himself just smart. Very very smart in the approach and the piss out of the Fox universe.
>> Yeah. Well, because honestly, I mean, I make I make all sorts of jokes about the cinnaphiles as we're doing the show. To me, being able to joke about yourself is a sign of strength.
>> Yes.
>> You know, it's and a sign of humanity.
Like, yeah, of course, these movies aren't perfect. We all know they're not perfect. That's fine, you know.
>> Um, >> let's talk just a bit about filming Colossus. I think I mentioned before that there are three different actors uh who are one is the voice, one is doing the facial expressions that they digitally captured and the other is this actor on the set >> who is you know 6'5 his name is Andre Tru his name is Andre Tricut.
>> Okay, >> I'm sure I did not pronounce that correctly but that was the best that I could do. Um and he's you know huge guy with a ball about a foot above his head that he's walking around to create this space. Um, but the other thing that they had to do, and I found this really interesting, is that, and this really I think this is Tim Miller really understanding how effects work >> because one of the things about Colossus obviously is that he's made out of metal. And metal responds very differently to light because it has all these different reflective surfaces >> than other materials. And so what they had to do in addition to doing to having this guy do all the actions that Colossus will do and then you also have the actors doing all the actions without that guy there sometimes so they can have a clean plate.
>> But then they had a dude with basically like a big metal ball on a stick walk through all the positions on the set moving everywhere the colossus would move so they could track the reflection patterns. How was the light playing as it moved through all this space? And that's what makes Colossus look realistic. It's really that second pass with the reflective material to track the And these are all the details that unless you've been around effects, >> you wouldn't know to do, you know?
>> Yeah. So, for maybe the missteps that he makes like not finding Ryan crying or not getting like, these are the things where Tim is really shiny that make the film work so well when shooting Colossus. For sure. Yeah. I mean there is I I there is no film without Tim Miller. I don't think I don't you know it's like whether or not he goes on to be a great director or anything like that like the the the for the budget everything they packed into this thing and made it look as good as they did that's Tim Miller and his team you know.
>> Yep.
>> Uh so we're dragging Wade away who Colossus is holding him by his wrist.
>> You ever see 127 Hours? Spoiler alert.
>> Just great. and he takes a knife out and is hacking off his his hand and then the blood spray across Colossus's face along with the joke.
>> Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret.
>> I mean, that is that's really it's really going there. That joke.
>> Oh, that joke. Oh, when I remember just absolutely laughing loudly at that joke because of the just what it's referencing. Just genius. the horribleness of But that's what's great.
I mean, I I it it goes there and it's funny.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and his and a a you know, cuts off his hand, does a backflip off the overpass, landing at a garbage filled pickup truck bed, the severed hand left and Colossus's hand is flipping Colossus off. That was, by the way, a Ryan Reynolds idea.
>> Smart. Yeah, >> it's great. It's absolutely great.
>> Rock meet bottom. We're now 40 minutes into the movie and we have just finished the first fight scene.
>> Wow. I mean, that's that's crazy in the way that they structured this.
>> When life ends up breathtakingly [ __ ] you can generally trace it back to one big bad decision.
>> We're back with Wade and he is getting rolled in on a gurnie by the recruiter.
>> Nothing warms my heart more than a change of someone else's. You finally hit [ __ ] it.
And I think Wade in one of the few sincere to these people kind of moments is like, look, I have this, you know, I'm trying to keep a promise to someone, you know, like he's he's actually is begging >> to be treated right to some degree.
>> And they roll him into the quote unquote lab. And again, I think this is the thing the movie does really well, which is >> all superhero movies on some level are slick. is that they you know it's like whether you have the super slick world of the Avengers and Shield or the beautiful world of Wakanda or the Shangi world or even like the gritty Gotham world of Dark Knight.
>> Yeah.
>> It still is beautifully designed and has a slickness to it.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> This is He's going to a [ __ ] hole, you know? Like Deadpool is not trying to do that. It is not trying to compete in that area. And this place is gross. And of course, Wade's joking through this whole thing as they put him on different gurnies. And then uh he keeps talking and his hand gets slammed down and his head gets slammed down by Gina Corano who is playing Angel Dust.
>> Yeah, this is one of the first kind of acting roles that Gina Chrono was in and this was right at the apex of her as a MMA fighter. Uh she was she competed in elite extreme combat strike force from 2006 to 2009. She was 7-1 as a fighter.
She became the quote face of women's MMA before Ronda Rousey came around and then >> which of course Gina always rejected that title and then she headlined one of the big women's MMA fights which was her fight against Chris Cyborg in 2009 which she was completely destroyed by Cyborg.
There were allegations around that, but that kind of stopped her doing MMA. And then she got into acting and that's when you saw her in like Solderberg's Haywire, this film, uh, and then eventually ended up all the way on, you know, uh, The Mandalorian. There's Cara Dune. So, yes, a complicated person in a lot of ways. Certainly a divisive person in a lot of ways, a lot of supporters, a lot of people, a lot of detractors. Uh, and now she's about to headline uh, a Netflix bout with uh, Ronda Rousey on Netflix there, I think, in about a month. So yeah, an interesting woman in a lot of ways, also part of American Gladiators, uh, and of course very attractive as well. So yeah, >> I So I think in this movie, she's great.
>> Yes, they they limit her dialogue. You rarely see her speaking on screen, even when she speaks, but they make good use of her as a fighter and as an intimidating presence. Yeah, for sure, Steve. You're right. And my understanding is that Tim Miller met Gina Corano through Rob Lifeeld. They were friends >> and he introduced them and she >> was really uncomfortable with playing a bad guy >> and didn't want to do it and then they finally convinced her to do it. It's so strange to me. It's like why wouldn't you want to play a bad guy? Playing a bad guy seems awesome.
>> I would love to play bad guy.
>> What's up with the matches?
>> Oral fixation? I'm just a big Stallone fan.
>> And they're trying to shut him up. And there we see Ajax and Weey just keeps on joking and he goes, >> "We have another toolk.
>> I'm just excited about my first day of superhero camp.
>> Shut the [ __ ] up." And then we get a bad guy speech from Ajax, which I could play, but I will just summarize, which is that they're going to inject some serum into him that will activate under torture and m and he's latent mutation will appear and give him superpowers. So, we're going to torture him until he becomes a superhero. And what we hear is that's how Angel became super strong and that's how he got enhanced reflexes and scorched all his nerve endings. So, he no longer feels pain.
>> And in fact, I no longer feel anything, >> which is a scary villain. I mean, it's not I'm not putting Ajax up on a list of any of my favorite, you know, Marvel villains or anything, but he serves his purpose well in this movie, I think.
>> Yeah, I agree. I agree.
>> And we see Wade struggling to talk. He seems almost like emotional, like maybe this speech about him being tortured is giving him second thoughts and he's afraid. And so he gestures to take out the gag, which they do. And he says, "Thank you. Thank you. You have something in your teeth right in the middle there. Just I don't little nugget of romaine lettuce or something.
It's been bothering me for a long time."
>> And then he looks and he literally doesn't have made you look.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And then we we get what's going to be obviously a running joke throughout this whole thing.
>> Hey, is Ajax your actual name? Because it sounds suspiciously made up. What is it really? Kevin, Bruce, Scott, Mitch, the Rickster.
>> Is it Basil faulty?
>> No. Joke away. One thing that never survives this place is a sense of humor.
>> We'll see about that. I actually think this is a defining it's yes obviously humor is a defining characteristic of Deadpool but I think this is like for Wade Wilson the I refuse to lose my sense of humor regardless of anything >> is I you know it's like what keeps Rocky going you know what I mean like this is the the thing that keeps him >> fighting I think >> right earlier in the film when they're exchanging trauma stories between him and Vanessa like the thing is with people when they're born into those kinds of situations, they develop a defense mechanism. Some people develop an an like a reactionary angry defense system that leads to violence or leads to physical altercation or threatening moments. His was humor. And the only way he can navigate any situation where he feels uncomfortable or unsettled is to use that humor. And if you were to remove that humor, you would essentially deconstruct him as a human being all the way down to his core. And so that's why he relies on it so well and and steadfastly holds on to it no matter what. I mean, I'm not Wade Wilson, but I can't not make jokes, you know, in in serious situations.
>> We know. No, no. I'm not even saying they're all funny. Frequently, they're not.
>> Yes.
>> Anyway, he's Oh, come on. You going to leave me all alone here with less angry Rosie O'Donnell?
>> They punch him in the face and knock him out. And then we go into a torture montage that involves >> slime and hoses and ice baths and all electricity, all sorts of stuff.
>> I call this the fear factor montage.
>> Yeah, to. And by the way, this was not fun for Ryan Reynolds. Like >> Oh, really?
>> But ticket Yeah. I mean I mean he did he was I don't know if there was actually ice in the bath or was fake ice. might have been fake ice, but they did spray him with hoses. They didn't electrocute him, but they did douse dunk him into this big bath of disgusting slime. I mean, this is not You have to do multiple takes of this stuff. It's not It's not fun.
>> But what makes it perfect is the musical accompaniment of Mr. Sandman. It's just >> Yes. Which is great. And it's after we have a little a little break in the torture and he's with a fellow torture which is uh Hugh um Hugh played by David Cunningham and they are having their bucket list conversation.
>> I'd really like to light a spliff off the Olympic torch.
>> Pass it to me right after.
>> Let's not forget naked tandem base jumping with the WNBA Sacramento Monarchs.
>> Jokes are always better when they're specific. It's like like you could the joke could be with a WNBA team, but the WNBA San Diego Monarchs is funnier for the joke. And I love that Hugh's response is >> my anything on my bucket list would involve public nudity.
>> And and then it takes a turn because he because Hugh says, "Making banana pancakes for my kids." And and Wade says, "Vanessa."
And right as they're having this tender moment, there's Ajax. Hey, don't take any [ __ ] from him, Cunningham. How tough can he be with a name like Francis?
>> Apparently, Wade snagged a dry cleaning tag to find his name.
>> Why don't you do us all a favor and shut the [ __ ] up or I'll sew your pretty mouth shut?
>> Sewing the pretty mouth shut is another Wolverine Origins reference.
>> Yes.
>> And then Wade says a stupid thing. See, here's the problem with roundthe-clock torture is that you can't really step it up from there.
Is that what you think?
>> And now they are strapping him into the tube. This tube was known as the punch bowl by the crew. And this is the second most expensive thing built for the movie. The most expensive thing was the Deadpool costume, which obviously took weeks of research and figuring it out, but this was really expensive, which really surprises me that they spent so much on this prop or setpiece.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, and again, I won't give his whole speech, but basically what they're going to do is sounds like a horrible torture, which he's going to be strapped into this tube. They're going to reduce the oxygen level to just the point where he's going to pass out. And as his brain starts to shut down, they'll feed in just enough oxygen to keep him awake, but not enough for him to be okay. It's that's a horrible, horrible torture.
>> Yeah. Agreed.
>> And then he adds to it the psychological torture, which is the truth about this workshop.
>> This workshop doesn't make superheroes.
We make super slaves.
>> What we find out is that as soon as he has powers, they're going to strap a collar onto him and force him to do horrible things. terrorizing citizens, putting down freedom fighters, maybe just mow the occasional lawn.
>> And I think this does hit him >> like 100%.
>> You know, >> this is like cuz he had I I I think he had held on to a impossible fantasy that there was some way that this was going to work out. And he it was a fantasy and the reality is terrible. And Wade says, >> "Wait, wait, wait.
Seriously, you actually have something in your teeth now until your weekend.
>> Weekend weekend.
>> And the air goes down and we see things start to gas.
>> That's brutal.
>> It's totally brutal. I mean, I think this is a horrible sounding torture as opposed to all the other ones that sound fantastic.
>> Exactly. Real easy. And we see him gasping. And now we see the change, which is we see things happening to his skin. It looks really nasty.
>> Did I say this was a love story? No, it's a horror movie. By the way, Bill Corso is the makeup supervisor. And again, this was lots of testing. Very uncomfortable for Ryan Reynolds. I think for the full makeup, like the full body is like seven hours, >> you know, when they did that. That's because you have to do seven hours in a chair and then you have to act all day, you know.
>> Yeah. And we go to black as as Wade screams and then they open up the tube.
>> What have you done to me?
>> I've merely raised your stress levels high enough to trigger a mutation. You >> satistic [ __ ] >> I've cured you, Wade.
>> What I wonder, and I don't know the character of Ajax from the comics. I know he exists in the comics. I didn't see anything about this. But their implication here is that a this is Ajax's experiment. Like that he came like he's a doctor or something.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't think he is. I think he's just a thug that they that they did this to who they've assigned to torture other people.
>> Oh, 100%. I don't think this is his thing at all. I think he like they said like he became this thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Through the first torture and then they were like, "Well, let's make put him in charge of these things because he's >> he became one, you know, and he's sadistic enough >> and doesn't care about the people he kills."
>> Well, and he's talking up him himself as if he's like a scientist or a doctor.
>> Yeah. Yeah, >> just to add one more level of intimidation and power, you know, and mind [ __ ] >> Now I'm going to shut you in again, Wade.
>> Not because I need to, because I want to.
>> And you see that affect weight. He just went through this for a whole weekend and now he's going to get shut in there again.
And as uh Angel leans in to kind of strap him down, he headbutts her. Um and Ajax pulls Angel off of him. She walks away. We see her put a match in her mouth.
>> Yeah.
>> And Ajax leans down and says, >> "Quick question.
>> What's my name?"
>> And Wade doesn't say anything. And Ajax feels like he's finally won. that he's finally intimidated this guy. Closes the tubingum, walks away, the air comes out, he starts gasping, but as he opens his mouth, we see that he stole Angel's match and has it in his mouth, by the way. And I'm sitting there going, "How did you keep the match dry in your mouth? That seems very difficult." But somehow he manages to. He obviously with his Deadpool powers, I think he spits the match to his hand, catches it. That seems difficult. Lights it. Puts it near the vent where there's almost no oxygen.
So why this bursts into flames? Again, physics maybe not the best, but it's totally dramatic. Huge explosion of flames. Tube goes flying. Lab is burning. Ajax comes running in with a fire extinguisher. Sees the broken tube.
And now Wade wearing nothing but like his gown comes out. And they have a brutal fire extinguisher to fire extinguisher battle that I think is pretty cool within the fire.
>> This was again really rough on Ryan Reynolds because he is covered in makeup >> in an extremely hot room because there's fire everywhere. And also where there's fire, even though they have ventilation and stuff, there is smoke, there's fake smoke. He is sweating underneath this prosthetic. And when they rip off the thing and he fights full naked, I mean, that is full body makeup. Having to do fight choreography, sweating and goopy and sticky in a hot room. This is a nasty It's nasty. It's hard. You know, >> you you want to be a superstar, ladies and gentlemen. You want to be a movie star, this is some of the prices you have to pay for these for that status.
>> And I'm going to say worth it. But I do think that people should understand that this isn't so fun.
>> Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There may or may not be additional prosthetics when Ryan Reynolds is entirely naked that you may or may not catch glimpses of as they're fighting. I'm just saying >> it's very long.
>> Yeah, it is a long fight scene.
>> Yeah, it is a long fight scene.
>> Yeah, it drags on the floor.
>> Yeah, I mean, we could extend this joke if we wanted to, but >> for sure.
>> Hey, yes, >> you don't want to kill me. I'm the only one that can fix our king mug.
>> More fighting and finally he tosses Wade. Ajax advances on him, grabs a big metal thing of rebar, drives it through him, impaling him, punches him, bends the rebar into a hook, leans in and says, "What's my name?"
>> And we also see Cunningham, who's the friend that he was doing the bucket list, is dying in the fire.
>> And the building collapses around Wade.
camera pushes in on the burning embers which start to move and we see a head comes come out from under the ash.
>> I didn't just get the cure to l cancer.
I got the cure to l everything, but there was only one thing that really mattered.
>> And we cut to Vanessa walking in the rain and he is following her with a hoodie and all the passers by are completely freaked out by his appearance. mutters under their breath, insults, turns away. We hear the word freak at some point. I will say this is my opinion. I think this is done perfectly fine, >> but >> people I don't believe people are reacting to someone of that appearance in the street in that way today. I mean, yes, people will react obviously, but like and the whole what's so hard is that >> again, this is just my opinion is like yes, he looks bad. I'm not saying he doesn't. And he went from Ryan Reynolds, who's a truly handsome man, into not a handsome man.
>> Right. Right.
>> But it's not that terrible. You I mean, it's terrible, but to He should go see Vanessa. I don't know. It's just kind of like with with their relationship, you should go see Vanessa, you know?
>> Yeah. I mean, if he was walking around like half naked so you could see all the burns and the scars. Maybe the people would should stop and react to that. But he's hoodied. He's covered up, you know.
Yes, you notice the face, but like, yeah, I hear you. She make an exaggerated reaction. But of course, that's all done for the effect. It's for the movie. Yeah, it has to be that. It has to put him in that state.
>> Um, and now he shows up at the bar.
>> I'm not making her life as ugly as mine.
>> Come on, Wade. It can't be that bad.
>> A [ __ ] I'm a monster inside and out. I belong in a [ __ ] circus.
>> And now Weasel still hasn't seen his face cuz he's kind of back with the hoodie in the shadows.
>> Wait, Vanessa loves you. She doesn't care what you Oh, do you like what you see? No. And then we're going to get we've talked about this before with like Will Frell is Joama. Joama is where you have a great improvisational actor and you just say here's what's you do what's in the script and then you say do another one and some people like Will Pharaoh like Kristen Wig like a bunch of these people can just rattle off one after another. And TJ Miller is one of those people. And there were dozens of things that came out of his mouth in this sequence. And we will hear some of them.
>> You look like an avocado. Had sex with an older, more disgusting avocado. Yeah.
Not gently. Like it was hate [ __ ] There was something wrong with the relationship. And that was the only catharsis that they could find without violence.
>> I've been in one of those.
>> Yeah. Well, you got to do something to remedy this cuz as of now, you only have one course of action.
>> And then they do, it's essentially a structure joke that's the exact same structure as the moment where he proposes to Vanessa and they both say different things at the same time.
>> Right.
>> There it was. Stick it in my and marry me. Here it is.
>> Find horror films.
>> What? star in your own horror films cuz you look like Freddy Krueger face [ __ ] topographical map of Utah.
Here's what I'm actually going to do.
I'm going to work through his crew until somebody gives up Francis, force him to fix this, then put a bullet in his skull and [ __ ] the brain hole.
>> I don't want to see that or think of it again. But the douchebag does think you're dead, right?
>> And so this is Oh, good. This is like pretending that Rigs is dead in Lethal Weapon to use some very old reference.
But yes, if they think you're dead, that's a good thing. I can wear a mask.
>> Yes, a very thick mask all the time. I am sorry. You are haunting. Your face is the stuff of nightmares.
>> Like a testicle with teeth.
>> You will die alone if I mean if you could die.
>> It's also TJ Miller's tone. It's the kind of flatness of his delivery that makes it so funny.
>> And now it's time to come up with a name. And we come up with Wade the Wisecracker, Scaredvil, Mr. never die, which makes him realize that he put money on Wade in the Deadpool, which makes them come up with Deadpool.
>> Captain Deadpool.
>> Captain Deadpool.
>> Just Deadpool. Yeah.
>> To you, Mr. Pool.
Deadpool. That sounds like a [ __ ] franchise.
>> Which is another T.J. Miller improvised line, by the way.
>> Oh, yeah. Nice.
>> And now we go to which we have in many superhero movies, the building the costume montage.
And by the way, so so in actually building the costume, it's about 10 weeks to do it. Tons of different materials. They build 3D models. They do all sorts of tests. They have a 3D model of Ryan's face that they built a mat that they put the the masks on. All of this, they're testing everything out as opposed to Wade who has a, you know, a gray sweat a white sweatshirt and that's about it.
and he puts up a map with strings on the wall with all the pictures. Yeah.
>> Like from every conspiracy movie. By the way, just short sidebar, I heard a podcast fairly recently, I think it's Dakota Ring, where they went to find the origins of this particular image and they went to they went to the FBI and said, "Do you ever do this where you have a wall with maps and street?" And they're like, "No, no one has ever do we have computers. This is the dumbest thing." But somehow it started and then it's in like a beautiful mind and then it became every serial killer and so it's this thing that doesn't exist in reality at all that gets copied over and over again in movies >> cuz why would you put a wall with it's like look details change. You type it into the computer. You have to you've got holes in all your pictures. Like why would you do this? Anyway, and he's out fighting in the sweatuit.
Gets shot in the back. Turns around. We see the blood pouring off of him and then we cut to him in the laundromat where he's trying to wash the blood out of the sweatshirt and we hear >> salsa water and lemon for blood >> or wear red dumbass.
>> And there is Leslie Hughams's blind owl which might be it might be the greatest casting choice of all I of all superhero. It's like the craziest [ __ ] thing and it's so great.
>> Yeah. I mean, this is a woman who is legend, a legend of acting. And I bet a majority of people who saw this movie had no idea who Leslie was and they probably thought she was some black character actress that was cast in the role because she was funny. Like, this is a woman with Broadway credits, uh, a Tony Award for a best actress in a musical in 1968. She got to be known as well for being for playing Kizzy Reynolds in Roots which was a massive thing which earned her a Golden Globe and Emmy award nominations for her performance. She is the daughter of Jun Juanita Ernestine Smith who was a Cotton Club chorus girl dancer. That tells you how far back she goes in the legendary uh talent there connected with her life there. She attended the professional children's school of New York. She went to Giuliard. Okay. and she is playing this role in this uh in this film. So just a lot of things that she done throughout her life um as well and even in the late60s after she had appeared in Ed Sullivan show singing a version of Yesterday from the Beatles that kind of spurred her getting her own show the Leslie Ugam show in 1969 which was a variety show uh which was the first variety show to be hosted by a black person since the Nack King Cole show in the 1950s. So that just tells you she's got a hell of a legacy as an actress for numerous decades before she showed up as Blind Al here in the Deadpool movies.
Well, and it's so funny too cuz she's in American fiction and turns in like the performance the performance that you would expect of like the this is the older powerful incredibly talented you regal almost actor. And so the fact that she did this movie and I looked for a story like of how this came about. I really didn't find one other than that they sent her the script and she said sure.
>> Like and it's so >> crazy to me.
>> Yeah.
>> That this that that she cuz she's so she just 100% understands and commits to this part >> in this way and is cool with it. I I love it.
>> Yeah. And she's currently right now in Fallout. If you guys watch Fallout on Prime Video, she's been a a recurring character in the first two se in the two seasons that's been out. So, she's a woman who just works, man, cuz she's really, really good. And she is funny as [ __ ] in all of these Deadpool movies.
She's so funny. And then we get the real suit. There's so many things about this suit that's so great, including the shape of the eyes, which I think I mentioned could be removed.
>> They also needed to make sure that he could breathe. Like this is an important thing particularly when you're doing fight scenes.
>> And one other thing, this suit is not comfortable. From everything I have heard it is. And that's true with a lot of the superhero suits.
>> You're about to be killed by his bony.
>> TELL ME WHERE YOUR [ __ ] BOSS IS OR YOU'RE GOING TO DIE in 5 minutes.
>> And then finally we cut to the wide shot and see that the Zamboni is like halfway across the ice rink behind the guy. And then we get to he's caught up with the recruiter.
>> Oh, 41 confirmed kills. Now it's 89.
About to be 90.
>> Mr. Wilson.
>> Ding ding.
>> You're looking very alive.
>> Only on the outside.
>> This is not going to end well for me.
>> This is not going to end well for you.
No.
>> Deadpool turns to camera and says, "But first you might want to look away for this." And the camera respectfully moves off him as we hear >> now. This little piggy went to >> then he puts him up on the map and I'm assuming he's killed the recruiter. Is that our assumption?
>> I would say so. I would say so.
>> And now we're hopping into the taxi and with Dupender and we know we hear and we all know how this turned out.
>> Cut to him jerking off I think with a My Little Pony doll.
Don't know how Michael Vogle feels about that.
>> Apparently, this was the third film that Ryan Reynolds had to masturbate on. He also masturbates in the nines and the change up.
>> What? I don't remember that in The Change up. Oh, >> I I don't think I ever saw The Change up. Um, >> that's good. I like that one. Yeah.
>> Some kinds of anger can't be managed, like the kind where your year-long plan ENDS WITH THE WRONG GUY GETTING DISMEMBERED.
That said, >> when it comes time to licking wounds, there's no place like home.
>> And again, I'll say it again. This is as unslick a superhero location as you can possibly get. This is definitely definitely across the tracks.
>> And I share that home with someone you've met, the old blind lady from the laundromat, Al.
>> And we whip pan back to the laundromat where he's back with his blood soaked uh sweatshirt and we hear, "God, I miss cocaine." The camera goes back to Ryan Reynolds who says, and this is one of my favorite straight to camera moments.
>> Fourth wall break inside a fourth wall break. That's like 16 walls.
>> That is an amazing joke to me. I agree.
And we go in and immediately we see Leslie Ugum's trip on the Roomba with the uh with the hula hoop guy with the hula girl on it. Morning, Suzy Head. It smells like old lady pants in here.
>> Yes, I'm old. I wear pants.
>> But you're no lady.
>> I'm going to say I know we already said it. Leslie Uomes is treasure in this movie.
>> Yeah, she gets it. She's so funny.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> He steps into his Crocs with socks.
>> Upside of being blind. I've never seen you in Crocs.
>> You mean my big rubber masturbating shoes?
>> Yes, I know.
>> Downside of being blind, I hear everything in this duplex.
How's that cool coming along? IKEA doesn't assemble itself, you know.
>> I love the whole time that she's building IKEA furniture blind. Like, I just think there's something really brilliant about that.
>> Uh because when you build IKEA for as someone who's built a lot of IKEA furniture, even when you have sight, it's hard as [ __ ] to build that goddamn furniture. By the way, originally there was way more blind make fun of her sort of slapstick.
>> Oh. and they got on the set and they're doing it and it just didn't feel right in terms of the power dynamics. It felt like we're just making fun of the blind lady instead of this thing that they created which is in some bizarre way they are equals who like each other and she understands him in some completely insane way that doesn't make sense but it totally works.
>> I don't mind the cunan. It's an improvement on the herd doll. Please, anything's an improvement over the Hudal.
>> Then we get IKEA jokes, which I love.
>> I'd have taken an Mnest or or Tel over the Heral.
>> By the way, I can't pronounce any of those things, which is why I cut to Ryan Reynolds voice saying all of them >> smartly. So, >> screw >> here. Now, just kidding. I know it's been decades.
>> You'd be surprised.
And then there are certain shots in movies that don't look impressive, but sometimes can take almost a whole day.
And the shot of her sitting down and the the IKEA furniture collapsing.
>> Yeah.
>> They could not get right. It the timing didn't work or a piece or it fell the wrong direction. And each time they did it, you had to rebuild it back up >> to do the shot again. And they're doing it over and over and finally they get one that works.
And then as he's leaving, he farts as he as he goes by.
>> #d driveby.
>> I mean, the movie was already totally surprising, but this scene is just a new level.
>> Well, this is why you cast someone who can portray a character who is blind like this, but and and get at times abused by Deadpool, but she >> loses no stature in your mind because he's the one being the jerk off and she's just kind of rolling with it.
>> Uh, and then I we cut back to Ajax and Angel. She's sewn him up. We reveal that now they're going to go after Wade. And we're back at the house where Al offers him Tylenol. I raided my stash of wisdom teeth and I am orbiting the [ __ ] Saturn right now.
>> And he reaches up and touches her face with that little tiny hand and is so gross and so funny. And it was a huge laugh in the theater. or is your hand really small?
>> About the size of a KFC spork.
>> And she now gives the the sage advice.
>> I get why you're so pissy. But your mood's never going to brighten till you find this woman and tell her how you feel.
>> What do I keep telling you, Mrs. Magcoo?
She wouldn't have me. If you could see me, you'd understand.
>> Looks aren't everything.
>> Looks are everything. You ever heard David Beckham speak? It's like he mouth sexed a can of helium. Think Ryan Reynolds got this far on his superior acting method.
>> All great.
>> Beckham thing is perfect. I mean, for someone like me who's followed him for years, that voice is huge. So, >> it's so funny, by the way, when someone who you've never heard speaks for the first time and has a completely disconnected voice. We're back to the bar with Weasel, who is T.J. Miller is telling a joke at the opening of this scene. And as we've said, TJ Miller can come up with a lot of jokes. So, every single take he came up with a brand new joke to tell.
>> Wow.
>> Here's the problem with this is this is a scene where actors have to cue off of his lines to make their entrance. So, Ajax and and Angel are waiting to make their entrance. But every time the joke is different, >> so they have no idea when it's going to end and when they should come in. And finally, Tim Miller says, "Can we go back to this joke and have these people enter at this point?"
>> Can I help you ladies? Well, I do hope so.
Now, >> I heard you might be able to point me in the direction of a um a friend of mine name of Wade Wilson.
>> Sorry, I don't know the name.
>> And then another throat grab. I think this is the third or the fourth time we're lifting someone off the ground by their throat. But the moment that that happens, >> all of the uh guys in the bar pull out their guns.
>> Um, sweetheart, you might want to look around.
>> And Ajax convinces Angel to put her down. They're heading out and he says, "Wade, we have a [ __ ] problem." And by we, I mean you.
>> Cut to walking with uh Weasel and Wade is freaking out.
>> I can't believe I'm doing this. Is there a word for half afraid, half angry?
>> Yeah, for angry. I guess you decided what you're going to say to her.
>> [ __ ] me. Maybe that start with that.
>> Yeah. So, this intrigue cuz like the she was just telling him that he needed to confront her. He didn't want to confront her and he's clearly been following her as we saw a few scenes ago. So, it's finally takes her possibly being in danger for Wade to finally kind of confront his own fears of how she might react to him to finally, you know, get up the courage to go and confront her here at this strip bar. Well, this is I'm glad you brought this up because this is a perfect um you know, my definitions of story and plot are that plot are the mechanism, the external conflicts and story is the internal and interpersonal conflicts. So, and the story generally emotionally is what's driving movies and Wade's story is about him and Vanessa and it's about overcoming this thing and getting back to the woman that he loves. And this is a case in good movies this happens where the plot drives the story forward. Wade can't drive the story forward because he's afraid to make this move. And so the plot comes in and forces him to deal with the thing that he's not dealing with. I think that's great.
>> Yeah. Agreed.
>> We're in a strip club. This was shot in a strip club and the strippers in the strip club are the strippers that worked in the strip club.
>> Ah, >> so this was all pretty easy to do. And the dialogue that they got for the guy playing the strip bar DJ, they got from the guy who was the strip bar DJ. And they created all sorts of lines and handed them to the actor playing this uh this MC. And that actor is Stan Lee. And he looked at all of these lines. He's like, I can't say that. I can't say that. And I can't say that. So finally they came came up with >> coming onto our stage right now. Give it up for chastity, >> or as I like to call her, irony.
>> Where do you put this in the Stanley uh cameos in Marvel films?
>> I think it's fine. Mostly mostly because it was pretty pretty tame thing for him to say. If he'd went out there with something, I think it would have risen in terms of the rankings. So, yeah.
>> Every time I see her, it's like the first time.
>> And we see Vanessa from behind and we hear >> especially from this angle.
No, no disagreements.
>> No lie.
>> No lie. No lie detected.
>> And then as she starts to turn to him, of course, he hides. And now Wade is in the bathroom, which by the way is the bathroom from the bar location where Sister Margaret's is. Um because they are saving money on everything, which I love. Once you've got a location, you use it for every single thing you can think of.
>> Um and he's at the mirror. I know that you've done this at the mirror talking to himself. Come on. Get it together.
This isn't about me. This is about Vanessa.
Here we go.
Maximum effort.
>> Those were the days.
>> There's more more of a deleted scene where some guy comes into the bathroom and starts talking to him while he's talking to himself. But they cut that.
Vanessa gets called over for her boss.
Told that someone wants to see her outside. And now she's outside in the rain. Again, this is the alley next to the bar location of Sister Margaret's.
>> Yeah.
>> She sees a figure in the shadows in a hoodie. And I think for me, I think most of us know that this ain't going to be Wade. But she goes, >> I knew it was you.
The weird curvy edges like a jigsaw puzzle.
>> Which means that this whole time, even though she knew Wade was probably dead, she has believed that he is alive, you know.
>> Yeah. She sensed him at times. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think, you know, when you find that one person, maybe that is true. You sense them.
>> Uh I I have no opinion on that, but I do think that we tend to want to believe and people believe in people long after they've dead because they live in our minds. You know, it's hard to let go of that. That's definitely true.
>> Sure.
>> But of course, it comes forward and it's Ajax.
>> You have Wade Wilson to thank this.
>> And she starts to runs straight into Angel.
You know, I want to give some credit to Miranda Broom because I mean, this is a this is a part that could easily have been just kind of overdone or overacted or just played as the, you know, kind of the innocent dummy. Do you know what I'm seeing? You know, even though she's like, you know, obviously clearly very trauma porn and all that stuff that they going through earlier, >> but like if you watch her, I think this is a great lesson for people who are >> looking at acting. She's a great listener. When you watch her, she doesn't do much with her face. She looks right at the person who's talking to her and she absorbs it. And when this moment happens, when uh Ed's screen comes out of the shadows, she is smiling initially and then when she sees that it's him, just slowly her face it dawns on her face that it's not him. It's not Wade.
And so there is that. So the these little things that when people talk about, well, how do you know good acting or how do you notice good acting? Every once in a while, I like to point it out because we're so caught up in what Ryan is doing, which is great. It's fun. It's big, but it's believable. But uh Mora is a much more she's going she's going underneath him and she I think is doing just as good of a job in what she's doing and bringing this kind of seriousness or this groundedness to the film that is important because she is essentially the heart of the film because of his feelings for her, the love he has for her, the love they have for each other. And so I think it's just important to watch her in these scenes because she doesn't get a lot of scenes to act solo or without Ryan in the scene. Yeah. And I think she really brings it when she does. And I haven't seen the new show she's on with CBS, >> but she would be the reason to watch it, you know.
>> Well, I want to go back to something you said in the first part, which is the difference between the first Deadpool and the sequels.
>> And it's really her and and I think I think she anchors this whole movie. I think if you remove her or have a lesser actor in the part, the movie drops down several grades. You know, >> that's why Yeah. And I I agree with you, Steve, and I'll say I think I'm going in the same direction a little farther, maybe. I would say both of these the reason both of those movies aren't as good as the first one. It's because she has been minimized in both of those films.
>> And there's a lot of conversation behind the scenes about why that is. There's both apparently rumors that maybe they didn't get along so much. And it's a shame because I think Mirina is so essential to these movies. And until Ryan gets over it and realizes that and brings her back, I don't think he's going to make another great Deadpool movie ever that matches this one, you know.
>> Well, I mean, I'll totally watch a movie with a wisecracking [ __ ] in fun action sequences.
>> Sure.
>> But it won't be a great movie. I'll be fine. Yeah. That that what this is the heart of the film. Absolutely.
>> So, she gets grabbed. Wade hears that she headed out to the alley. He goes out out in the rain. Of course, she's gone.
looks around, sees something, and it is the Bernardet Peters purse, and Wade freaks out.
>> [ __ ] >> Wait, wait, wait. Let's just >> Well, we can talk. We're going to >> Okay. Or you can hit that. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> I don't know. All right. Hey, >> now he knows. He knows. And they're back inside at the house and he's, you know, he's peing on one of those like man-shaped heavy bags and just swearing up a blue streak. And then his phone rings and we see it's from Vanessa but no it's a text from Francis and he says you it says you want her come and get her with the poop emoji.
>> That's the [ __ ] emoji. You know it's the turd with the smiling face in the eyes.
I thought it was chocolate yogurt for so long.
>> I need guns.
>> Okay, which ones?
>> I need all the guns.
>> Okay, >> which is great. It's great and emotional and funny. And then we go right into the army montage with just gun after gun after gun. Everything you could possibly imagine, including the People magazine with People's Sexiest Man Alive, Hugh Jackman, just for a moment.
>> H I got to I love how much that ended up paying off in real life. Like I just love how much that ended up paying off years later by having him in Deadpool and Wolverine. And you could argue essentially bringing you back completely to the Marvel universe, right? Because of what their relationship was like and then bringing him into the Wolverine.
Just >> so smart on so many levels, you know, that it worked out that way.
>> It's one of the few comebacks where, you know, when an athlete comes back, it's usually like, oh, maybe don't. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And when an a, you know, like we have had actors go back to roles decades later where it's just like, you know, whether it was Eddie Murphy and the Beverly Hills cop or coming to America or things like that where, oh, you're revisiting the thing.
Uh, maybe we should have left it alone.
And if you had told me after seeing Logan, if if Hugh Jackman should be done and never come back to the role, it's like absolutely never come back. You had the perfect ending. It was great. And I'm thrilled that he came back.
>> 100% thrilled.
>> Um >> I agree.
>> As he's getting all the guns, we see blind Al with a gun. Always good for a joke.
>> And then we he knows that she has one more gun, has her cough it up, and she lifts it up out of her ankle. And there's more jokes there. Um I love the end, by the way, as he's fully armed and ready to go. That Weasel says, >> "Wait, I'd go with you, but I don't want to."
>> It's the Paulie moment to Rocky.
>> Exactly.
>> Remember when I said I'd want to be you?
I was joking.
>> Yeah, exactly. That kind of thing. Yeah.
>> And then he goes to Al and says, >> "If I never see you again, I want you to know that I love you very much.
And also, um, there's about 116 kilos of cocaine buried somewhere in the apartment right next to the cure for blindness. Good luck.
>> So good. It's so great. And and it's a great capper, too. The capper at the end is fantastic. Is that there's a pause of Weasel and Blind Hal in the room alone, and Weasel says, >> "You want to get [ __ ] up?
>> This is a thing I don't have, right?
I've I I I've never been, you know, Steve, you know this. I I I'm not a drug user. Like there was a period, you know, after my father got diagnosed where I did marijuana, tried >> went extreme as we talked about in Mexico, right? But I'm not a person who uses drugs. And so me neither.
>> I don't I don't know. Yes. I know that.
I know that. I don't know that moment of like randomly getting [ __ ] up with a stranger. Like I just don't know what that is. But I know people who do drugs have many stories about just randomly getting [ __ ] up with strangers because you both want to get [ __ ] up and you need and you want to do it with company.
So this moment is always so funny to me that you couldn't ask for two more completely different people to be in the room and Weasel goes, "You want to get [ __ ] up?" And she's down with it. So it's very funny.
>> I bet they have a great night. I bet they have a lot of fun.
>> Thousand% a thousand% they have a great And I bet he treats her better than Deadpool does. Oh, wait.
>> Like I don't think he makes fun of her blindness is what I'm getting at. Like I think he actually decent Weasel's not making fun I mean he makes fun of Deadpool's face and everything else.
>> Sure. Cuz Deadpool could fight back. I don't think he'd make fun of a an elderly black lady who's blind.
>> I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't know. Like he's called Weasel for a reason.
>> Well, and she has and Well, and she likes Deadpool.
>> You know what I mean? Like this is the thing. It's like I I would I wish this was a deleted scene. I think Leslie and TJ Miller improvising them getting [ __ ] up and sharing stories to scene would be fantastic.
>> Yeah, you're right. So right. You're so right. Cuz they'd be talking about Deadpool and commiserating about what it's like to live with him or be his friend. Yeah, 100%.
>> And now we're back to the X-Men mansion where he knocks on the door and Nega Sonic answers, "Ripley from Alien 3."
>> [ __ ] you're old.
Ah, fake laugh hiding real pain. Go get silver balls.
>> Which is great. We hear Colossus's voice and she goes inside for a moment and he says, >> "Want to wait out here, okay? It's a big house." It's funny that I only ever see two of you. It's almost like the studio couldn't afford another X-Men.
>> Again, how they got away with this. I will never know because you do not say this. I mean, people do not. Maybe they do, which makes the enjoyment of the film even more deeper is like you don't say these things out loud. The stuff that he says throughout this movie to like make fun of the studios, make fun of a a company or all these kind of things. Like it's just amazing what he gets away with in this movie because that's like something you don't talk about is like the budget and being able to afford what heroes because we've all talked about that in our own way when we look at a superhero movie. Oh, they couldn't bring that person in because they couldn't afford this thing or the rights issues. And the fact that he just said it out loud, I think is great.
>> Well, it's it's funny. We just recorded a short which is available on patreon.com/theophiles where we talked about the fact that the narratives are overwhelming truth on places like social media and that the only thing is people wanting to put out a story that makes them look the best.
And we talked about how what a problem with this is. And you just said, "Look, we all we know these things. We talk about these things, but you can't say them. And to me, it's like I think the same thing I said when we were talking about the short is that the studio that can joke about these things is stronger >> than the studio that has to pretend that something everybody knows is true is not true.
>> Right. Right. I think that's what's amazing that Fox let them do this because it is so funny. So, we have a question from one of our patrons, Peter Bon, who it's actually directed at me, and he says, "Steve, as someone who has written both movies and comic books, how do the ways you tell a story differ?
Pacing, callbacks, running humor, and needing the audience to have some knowledge of the backstory, uh, are a few examples I would suspect are different, but I'd love to hear you break it down." Well, I have a I have an answer for this. Um, and it's probably different from what most people think about, but since I'm working on a comic right now, and we've been literally, my partner Steve Jones and I have been talking about this exact thing. The biggest difference between film and comic books is that in film, you control time and in comic books, you control space.
>> Is that what's going on when you watch a movie, you are watching the same rectangular shaped size image all the time. And 24 times every second a new image is being placed in that space and you cannot look at anything else. That is what is being presented and it goes at the pace that it presents. You as the viewer cannot change the time. I mean you could pause and rewind if you wanted to. And so what the filmmaker is doing is they're going like, "Oh, I want you to look at WDE's face for a long time cuz he's sad. He'll have you look at Wade's face cuz he's sad." If I have a comic book, I cannot control how long you look at a particular panel. What I can control is the size and placement of the panels. I could have five panels of WDE's face to make it seem like a lot of time is passing. I could have one big panel. I can rearrange the panel. And when you turn the page of a comic book, you are capable of seeing not just the thing that happens next, but the whole two pages down to the bottom right hand corner of that page. And you often do.
And so, and your eyes can go to a panel, they can go back, they can move around, they can spend a lot of time on a lot of panel, not a lot of time. So, I can't control the time that you spend in a comic book. I can control the time you spend in a movie. I cannot control the space of the the size of the image or the shape of the image unless I have things in the frame that do it in a movie, but I can totally control that in a comic book. That is the big difference.
>> Yeah, that makes sense. Completely 100%.
>> And we are of course back to the cap with Dupinder. And I love always this is the enter late thing. We start right in the middle of something where he says >> and that in my opinion the movie Cocoon is pure pornography >> which is just enough of a joke that's like wait what and I'm I'm picturing those actors and Donamichi and Wilfr Brimley and okay and we see I love the shot of Colossus crammed in the back of that cab >> and then he asks to Pinder about Gita the girl that we were talking about in the very beginning of the film. I try to hold on tight, Mr. Pool, but Pandhu is more craftier and handsomemer than me.
>> And then the car goes over a bump and we hear a scream.
>> By the way, would you like to know the actor who performed that scream?
>> Oh, please. Who is it?
>> That's Ryan Reynolds.
>> He is apparently playing Bondu, although he did not get credit.
>> That's hilarious.
>> My romantic rival, Bandhu. He's tied up in the trunk. I I'm doing as you said, DP. They plan to gut him like a tanduri fish, then dumped his carcass on Gita's doorstep.
>> And Deadpool denies it.
>> I did not tell him to do that.
Absolutely not. He got lost in translation. Dopender, this is no way to win Gita's heart back. I'm so proud of you.
>> And that's the joke we're going to get next is him saying one thing to the X-Men and another thing to to Pinder.
And it is very funny. And they get out.
Not often a dude ruins your face, skull stomps your sanity, grabs your future baby mama, and personally sees to four of your five shittiest moments. Let's just say it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.
>> And they walk towards this big aircraft carrier type thing that looks kind of like a helicarrier.
>> Yeah.
>> But I believe isn't. Which brings us to another question from Peter Bone who says, "How did they get away with using a helicarrier as the setting for the climactic battle? They weren't part of the MCU yet, so I have thought that had been a no no."
>> So, I looked.
>> Yes, I I I researched this and what I could I could not find a definitive answer, but what I think they did was they said this is an aircraft carrier and they did a few things to make it kind of look like a helicarrier, but not exactly, >> right? I think that's kind of how this went down.
>> I think that makes sense cuz when I look at this thing, I don't necessarily think helicarrier looks more like a battleship that, you know, it's got helicarrier kind of edges, but it looks overall like a battleship in my mind. And plus, it's grounded. So, >> yeah, >> I don't know what the rights would be to a helicarrier to be honest with you.
>> I mean, if you know, if you copy the exact design, I don't >> Yeah. Right. Right.
>> Yeah. I I I and I literally don't I don't know if this ever came up and maybe they did talk to the MCU. I have no idea how this how this happened, >> but needless to say, it is time for a slow-mo superhero walk to some great music. X going to give it to you from DMX, and it's great.
>> [ __ ] you.
>> What would we do without like rock and roll music or rap music to show how badass some people are when they walk into it? I'll tell you, having done Cineacon, Steve, I can't even count the amount of dorks who came out to [ __ ] rap music to talk about [ __ ] was I just was like, what is going on here, man?
So, it was just a little weird how people need to co-op this stuff in order to like, yeah, I'm a badass. I'm coming out to talk to you about ticket sales.
Yeah. You know, it's just so funny to me. I >> I'll tell you one thing. Student filmmakers would be entirely [ __ ] without music because the amount of movies that have written to seem like they're good because really it's just great music.
>> I mean you could I mean the the the power of music to elevate shitty film making and then make excellent great film making is absolutely huge. And that's all that you know it's the same thing we were talking about before. They are trying to create a narrative that they're some kind of badass by playing music when they come out and presenting some kind of [ __ ] >> you know, and it's not and and to some degree it has to work, >> right?
>> Otherwise, they wouldn't do it, you know, >> 100%.
>> But when it doesn't work, it really doesn't work. Got it.
>> It's when the contrast is too far. And then just in the middle of the music, we essentially have a a record a record scratch with >> Hey, >> where's your duffel bag? Cut to calling to Pinder who distracted by the phone call from Deadpool crashes into a car gets rearended and we have a scream meaning Bontu is in a bit of trouble I think. Um and he's not going to get his big duff of guns. I'm going >> to do this the oldfashioned way with two swords and maximum effort.
Hear the music >> which they do. And we're back to the slow motion walk towards the helicarrier.
And then there's Angel and he and she jumps off the helicarrier and Wade with so much excitement says >> superhero landing. She gonna do a superhero landing. Wait for it.
>> And she certainly does a superhero landing.
>> Was this the first like making fun of this? Cuz we know in Black Widow Yolena makes fun of it with Natasha. Like is this the first time where they're making fun of the superhero landing? Because I think it's funny. I I mean I would assume that in some parody movie some you know like in some scary movie or something they did maybe >> you know but but I don't I don't remember one I I I I do think this the whole superhero landing is entirely a gift of the Matrix.
>> Yeah.
>> Like once you had the Matrix and had those moments it was like well we have to everybody has to always land cool. We got to stick to landing.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and by the way I completely agree with Deadpool here. Yeah. That's really hard on your knees. Totally impractical.
>> You're a lovely lady, but I'm saving myself for Francis. That's why I brought him.
>> I prefer not to hit a woman, so please.
>> And I think the Angel Colossus fight seems really good.
>> Oh, yeah. I think it's great. Yeah, I love that. Now, Colossus gets knocked away and he says, "I mean, that's why I brought her to Neka Sonic who is on the phone tweeting or something."
>> Or sending a text >> or sending a text.
>> Oh, no. Finish your tweet. It's not That's fine. Just give us a second.
There you go. Hashtag it >> and she bursts into flame and charges.
Angel.
>> Oh, I so pity the dude who pressures her into prom sex.
I wonder though, she doesn't get to use her powers that much in the movie. And I wonder if they they didn't do that because honestly, she could wipe out everybody with her powers. I mean, Nega Sonic Teenage Warhead, that is going to wipe out everybody. So, like I wonder if they limited her powers because it's not called Negaic Teenage Warhead, it's called Deadpool. So, she's going to do certain things, but not too much. You know, >> I I a I think that's totally true. They they she's a utility player and they use her when she is useful to be used. Yes.
You know, >> um I'll tell you my silly head cannon >> is I think cuz she's a trainee. It seems the way they do it that she takes some effort and concentration to bring her powers up. Like it isn't just an instant thing and this is the kind of thing where a few more years at the X-Men mansion working in the danger room, she would get a lot better, you know?
>> Right. Good point.
>> Oh. Oh, now he pulls his underwear out of his pants, makes them into a a a truce flag, and says, "You only work for that [ __ ] spackled muppet fart. So, I'm going to give you a chance for y'all to lay down your firearms in exchange for preferential, bordering on gentle, possibly even loverlike treatment, >> which they open fire." I bet I I bet there was times they had to search the script to go, "Have we ever used [ __ ] spackled muppet fart before?" Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean? Because like I don't I don't know how you even come up with those insults. That's not in my wheelhouse at all. But like there's so many of them and they have so much variation.
>> Yeah.
>> But they open fire. He flips around, wipes them all out with the sword. The Colossus Angel fight is She's doing really, really well against him. He knocks her into a car. more fun choreography with Deadpool. Nega Sonics takes someone out. Deadpool naturally teabags somebody. And then he stops a sword at the last possible second and says, >> "Bob, >> wait.
>> Oh my god, I haven't seen you since DJI Friday."
>> Which we've heard about before. Yeah.
>> Oh, what the hell?
God, come here, you. and he looks like he's about to hug him, but instead he headbutts him, knocks him unconscious, and says, "How are the kids? Good. And Gail, she's still fixing that tuna casserole. So good, but oh so bad for the waistline."
>> And Gail, she's still fixing that tuna casserole. So good.
>> Oh, but bad for the waistline, if you know what I'm talking about.
>> So, I do think he spared consciously spared Bob's life.
>> Yes, 100%. Yeah, >> 100%.
>> It didn't stop him from knocking him out.
>> How did he know it was Bob? Was it the eyes? the guy because Bob pulls down the mask to show his face.
>> Once you've hung out with Bob at TGI Fridays in Jacksonville.
>> Yeah, >> you know him. You know him anywhere just from his posture, John.
>> Yeah, you're right. 100%.
>> Maybe he can smell the smell the tuna casserole on him. I don't know.
>> He's got a musk or a scent here. Tuna casserole scent.
>> And now we have a question. This is a big question and and this this is a this is an amazing question. It might be a little tough to answer, but I'm going to bring it out anyway, which is from Adam Mallister, one of our great supporters on Patreon, who says, "If Deadpool is fully aware he's in a fictional world, do his actions still carry real moral weight, or does that awareness excuse his behavior?" This is a question of deep ethical significance.
If you are aware that you're living in fiction, is it okay to kill all the people you want? Wait, I have but I reject the premise of the question. This idea that Wade is living in fiction. Who established that? When did we establish?
>> I think what he's pointing out is that he knows that these they're movie studios and there's different people who played Professor X and there's all sorts of jokes about the world of the movie.
>> So, so, but I will I think you bring up an excellent point. Is he aware that he's in a fictional situation?
>> Yeah, I don't think he thinks he's talking to us. That's what I mean. I think Wade is uh crazy, insane, and his fourth wall breaking. He's not talking to us. He's talking to a fictional audience that he thinks is there. And we just happen to be in the camera. We just happen to be where he's looking when he's talking to us. But I I think he plays both sides in that he is talking to a audience and we as the viewer are there in the frame looking at him as he's looking at us. But I don't think he's actually talking to us in the movie theater. He's talking to the audience in his mind >> because I think Wade is that kind of crazy because he got burnt up pretty [ __ ] bad and that's going to mess with your mind, you know. Does he believe that there is an audience listening to him?
>> In his mind, yes, but not us in the theater. Like, I don't think he knows he's making a movie for the theater.
That's what I mean. I think he's living his life and he's talking to an audience, but the audience is not necessarily us.
I I think you bring up a great because what cuz where my brain goes then well it's like if he believes there is an audience that he's talking to and there is an audience that he's talking to is he crazy >> you know >> because the reality is happening that he thinks is happening >> so so I so you took it in a direction that I didn't expect which is fantastic because I'm just thinking about so in my mind I what I actually I don't think there's anywhere to square this that actually makes complete sense. But in my mind is that he is aware that there is a reality beyond the reality that he lives in on some level.
>> You know that he has some sense of because that's how he can break the fourth wall in all these these ways.
>> But the idea that his world is fictional doesn't make sense to me at all because the most real thing to Wade Wilson is Vanessa.
>> She the I she is not fictional to him.
She is the most emotionally three-dimensional and real person. He is not walking around in a fictional world.
He doesn't if he was thought he was walking around in a fictional world, he wouldn't hate Ajax because that's not a real person. So, no, I So, my my thing is I don't think he's thinks he's walking around in a fictional world. You But but I do think he >> is talking to us and understands things about who played different X-Men characters. But, and and your thing is he's crazy. And I don't think there's ever a way that we can explain this that makes complete sense.
>> Well, I mean, I I said at the beginning that I don't think he thinks he's living in a fictional world. I just think the world he lives in >> has released movies about the X-Men, but the X-Men exist in his world, >> right?
>> And the movies exist as well.
>> So, there is a there is a Professor X >> and there are two actors who play Professor X in his world. They just happen to be the same two actors who play Professor X in our world, >> right? I just think that's the thing. I mean, with I think that's a great explanation and that's where my brain also goes back to there is no way that this doesn't because you know what it's not.
>> This is we're being silly. We're having fun. It does. It's a you know, so like the brilliance of Adam's question which is very deep also comes up against >> I don't think Deadpool's going to hold that much deepness. Like it's not the his cup will runth over at that point.
>> Yes, exactly. Don't ask him to do too much. You'll be disappointed. Yeah, exactly.
>> Colossus reached down to pull up this big metal hatch or whatever revealing angel, shadows covering perfectly a certain part of her body. And Colossus's reaction, his prim proper sort of, oh, I shouldn't look at that is so loveless.
It's sweet.
>> Very sweet.
>> You're on the left. You're a beautiful woman.
>> That is so sweet.
>> And before we get to the next moment, does she genuinely think that's sweet?
>> Um, no.
>> Or is she just luring him in so she can punch him in the nuts?
>> Yeah, I think luring him. I mean, she's a fighter, so you know, various states of undress will happen in a fight. So, you know, >> I I I think you're totally right. And there's no reason whatsoever to believe that she actually thinks it's sweet. But in my head cannon, she was tickled for a second by Colossus's sweetness before punching him very hard in the >> Thanks.
>> Ajax looks down with Vanessa and sees that in fact Wade did s spell out Francis with the bodies, which is great. She's way up above on top of the carrier and Nega Sonic says, "Hey, climb on." Because she is underneath a metal hatch. I don't know if it's the same one that Colossus had over Angel. And we we instantly know what the plan is, which is great. He jumps on top. She powers up. He flies up towards the deck, grabs on by his fingertips, pulls himself up, and there is Ajax. And Vanessa's in the tube.
>> I love this move from Negaic. like you said, she's a trainee. So, in this moment, I think she sees a mo an opportunity to really step up. Uh, and does it because remember, she's been making fun of him the whole time. Uh, and in this moment, she car she cares to help him. You know what I'm saying? And I think this is great moment of connection with her cuz like a teen girl, you don't know. Like, man, I mean this in a stereotypical way, not an honest way. Like, you know, you they'll frustrate the [ __ ] out of you, but then randomly step up to help you. You just cannot predict it. You just cannot predict it. So I think >> Let me ask you this question. Yes.
>> In her heart of hearts, in her negotic heart of hearts. Yes.
>> Who does she like more? Colossus or Deadpool?
>> Ooh. Uh h that's I don't know if I could make it. I don't know if I could answer that to be honest with you because the ball busting with Deadpool is fun, but I think she also gets tired of it. With Colossus, I think she respects the fact that he ca he's a legitimately good person and he can and she probably makes fun of him all the time and he just lets it roll off her his back. So, in a way, he lets her be herself, but it doesn't affect him, her sarcasm and whatever.
So, I think maybe maybe Colossus because she's had more exposure to >> I I actually think you you've actually cut through this almost perfectly because I because I because I I I I agree with you and what way I would put it is that >> she would make more fun of Colossus like Col like cuz cuz he's he's more he's not square.
>> He's totally square. And so for all the personality things >> she would have she could just take him down all over the place. Yes. But inside he is an incredibly good guy and deep down she knows that.
>> And Deadpool is way more fun than Colossus >> and funnier than Colossus. And she can joke with him like she could not with Colossus, >> but Deadpool is not the good guy that Colossus is deep down. You know, >> Deadpool is who you [ __ ] [ __ ] in your 20s. Colossus is who you marry in your 40s. That's just the honest truth.
>> Not that she would do either. I'm just saying >> so many so many jokes about both of those sexual relationships, but but we're not going to go into any of them.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You're right, beautiful. Red really is my color.
>> And that is the moment that she hears Wade's voice >> again. But look what she does. She doesn't go, "Oh my Wade," like she It's very still and honest. And I'm telling you, this is how Marina is a good actress. Little moments like this to me make a make a difference to a good a good performance. Man, >> I agree. And I think there's some anger in there.
>> Yes. This is the guy that left her and apparently didn't die and has been alive and has lied to her and not come to see her in all this time.
>> And this is the moment he chooses to reveal himself. Yeah. Right. Exactly.
Yeah. But I love this back and forth, right? Because he because um Ajax is like, "Oh, I'm crawling back in the head of yours." He goes, "Bitch, you never left." And she goes, "YOU [ __ ] DID."
LIKE, I JUST love that there's this like three different uh nar like feelings going on in the situation and the battle back and forth. So funny, man.
>> I hope they've locked pain to your every last nerve cuz I'm going to go look it.
>> You grow back body parts now, Wade. When I'm finished, parts will have to grow back you.
>> Good one. And >> then turns the camera and says, "Yeah, that was a good one.
And Wade's got his sword and Ajax has his big hammer type thing. Let's dance.
And by dance, I mean let's try to kill each other.
>> And they fight and the first thing he does is puncture the tube with the sword so that Vanessa can breathe. Again, I think the choreography is all really good.
>> Oh, it's amazing.
>> Yeah. I think it's entertaining and inventive and shows their characters.
All the things I want to get out of good choreography, which by the way, as I've said, are all the things that all the AI slop we see with fight scenes between all these people do not have. They don't understand what choreography is. They just have people >> punching each other.
>> Well, because you must have emotion behind good choreography as well. Like that's important. the emotion of the scene, the emotion of the fight as it's switching uh advantages, you know, it's important.
>> Um, we're back with Angel and Colossus fighting. And I I I it is so great to have someone who actually can move and throw punches really, really well because you're not cutting away. The form is good, the balance is good. All those things that you can kind of fake with someone who has a couple of months of training and get them to throw a pretty good punch or a pretty good kick, but you can't you can't have the wide shot on them and really show them moving as much because you you'll see the flaws. And with Gina Coran, you really don't. And she had to do something even harder, which is that she does one pass of all the choreography, flips and falls and kicks and punches and everything with the big guy who's playing Colossus in the suit with the big ball above his head.
>> Then she has to do one pass empty for a blank plate and do all those moves, including getting flipped and slamming on the ground and all. She had to just do all that to herself. So they had that that's all hard to do.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and Yeah. and and then she gets behind him and is choking him with some big giant cable. Yeah. Vanessa is freing herself out of the tube. The both Wade and Ajax are now disarmed. More fighting, biting, flipping Dean.
And then Ajax drives a knife into the side of WDE's head.
She cuts down with the sword to free herself completely from the tube. Ajax gives Wade just this unbelievable, brutal, brutal beatd down, hitting over and over again in the head. And in this moment, Vanessa runs up and with one of Wade's swords stabs him through the chest.
>> And now all of us go down. And this is like the low point of the movie. Like this is like, oh my god, wait. It's stabbed in the head. He's about to lose.
This is terrible. We go into slow-mo. He goes down reaching for the knife in his head. He's lying in slow-mo. And then you hear sound turn into music. And and I think it takes a second to realize that you know this piece of music that the piece of music is familiar because it is you're you're the inspiration by Chicago. You know, our love was meant to be.
>> And he's looking at Vanessa and animated loving figures pop up and we realize this is his brain damaged moment because of the knife in his head.
>> It is one of the funniest, greatest moments in any superhero movie I can think of.
>> I agree. It's so inventive, incredibly funny, uh, and works within the spirit of the movie as you've laid it out.
Right. And then all these little like animated weirdass characters show up uh to to accompany the song, which is amazing. It's incredible. And he's looking the most lovingly possible with a knife through his head at Vanessa.
Reaches his hands up and makes like a little heart. It's so romantic. And she's like looking at him. And then the moment that he turns his romantic hand gesture into a sexual one with his finger and she starts screaming at him.
And then and they do this sound design-wise. They do it so perfectly because the music, which was so romantic in a moment before, starts to get really distorted. And he sees Ajax gra Vanessa and just toss her. And Deadpool stands up with that knife sticking out of his head. Now the music is super distorted and he reaches up, pulls the knife out, and the music stops distorting.
>> Yeah, >> this is, you know, the moment of get up that is in so many movies.
>> Yeah.
>> Get up and be the hero. You know, >> it's so great. Yeah.
>> We're back with Angel who looks like she's killing Colossus. Nega sees it, charges up, and we see her explode behind and crash into the ground, sending both Colossus and Angel flying, and the explosion totally puts the end to the Chicago music. By the way, also knocks out the support for the ship, which starts coming down. And this is our final big action setpiece moment as Ajax and Pool fight as they're falling and everything is crashing off this ship. Um, by the way, as we've heard, the, you know, these big companies now spread out their special effects to multiple companies. So, now we're into literally the domain of digital domain.
They handled this whole final sequence.
>> Wow. Um, >> it's really well done.
>> Oh, yeah. I think so, too.
>> I got you. I got a plant. You're not going to like it.
>> He puts it in the tube, closes it, and now he's hanging off the edge. Off the tube.
>> DON'T WORRY. I'M TOTALLY ON TOP OF THIS.
>> Maximum effort.
>> And he screams and tosses the tube as they go flying and the ship collapses.
And I will just say, and they said this on the commentary track, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Seriously, Vanessa would be dead.
There's no way she's surviving. He throws her in a glass tube off a thing like 200 feet into the air onto concrete and broken metal and a slag heap. She's in deep trouble, but we're going to ignore that.
>> Yeah, >> we're in the black. Spent a long time in the black. Uh we hear the sound of concrete kind of getting pulled back and we see Colossus lifting up yet another slab and they find the tube. They freed Vanessa. She looks around confused and we see Pool way above her.
>> OH MY GOD, THAT WAS SO AWFUL.
>> And Ajax hits him and they stumble down back to fighting. Deadpool ends up on on top and then he just takes him apart. He breaks his arm, breaks the other arm, more punches. Gohead to fix this butterface.
>> What?
You stupid [ __ ] idiot.
>> Did you really think there was a kill?
for that.
>> And Ajax is just laughing at him.
>> So, you mean to say after all this, you can't fix me?
>> It sounds even cheaper when you say it.
>> And I I love Deadpool's response is so great. He says >> like the kind of stupid who admits he can't do the one thing I'm keeping him alive for.
>> And he pulls out Al's little gun, which he did save in the double. Any last words?
>> What's my name? Who [ __ ] cares?
>> Wait, four or five moments?
>> This that I think they balance this speech >> is it's perfectly right in the slot.
>> Yeah. where it's not so terrible to be horribly ridiculous, >> but it's bad enough that you know real soon that this is not this is not going, you know, >> but also it's like it's because as the audience you you want him to be a hero.
As much as you enjoy all the sarcasm, whatever, like the relationship with Vanessa is legitimate. It's real. It's what makes us care about Deadpool as well. So, the fact that you have this moment where Colossus is trying to essentially convince him to be the best person he can be, I think is perfect.
And I love that like Wade looks up and like where the [ __ ] is that coming from?
As if he doesn't know Colossus's voice.
It's just great. It's just great. And and and what Colossus does, and I'm not going to play the whole speech, but he is basically giving the hero speech. He says, "Over a lifetime, there are only four or five moments that really matter.
Moments when you're offered the choice to make a sacrifice, conquer a flaw, save a friend, spare an enemy."
>> And here's the thing, Colossus is completely right about movies. is that how many movies are there where at the very how many episodes of Star Trek does Captain Kirk say no I'm not going to kill him someone who he has every single reason to want to kill and in the end he says I'm not going to kill him it's in so it is the classic hero's ending of course you chose to say show mercy and not kill the bad guy >> in these moments everything else falls away the way the world sees us the way we and I love that not only does immediately Colossus puke, but he pukes like metal, which they spent a lot of time in design trying to figure out the composition of Colossus Bomb.
>> So good. Why >> you were droning on? Sure, I may be stuck looking like pepperoni flatbread, but at least [ __ ] face won't heal from that. He has completed his character. He has saved the girl, saved the love of his life. All that stuff is true. And he is still going to be Deadpool.
>> Yes. And listen, and I think this is important. I think that's why people love this character in the comics because he is irreverent and he fits the hero model for people who think like this. Yeah. and they're not caught up in needing to um uh subscribe to the way society says that a mainstream hero should be. You can't. There are many ways you could be heroic and many versions of superheroes.
This is this version of a superhero.
He's brutal. Yes, he kills his enemy. Uh but he also has a very loving relationship with his the woman he cares about. And in essence, for all his sarcasm, he does have a good heart at the center of it. But he's not going to be what you want him to be. He's going to be himself, so take him for who he is.
>> Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm just a boy about to stand in front of a girl and tell her, "What the [ __ ] am I going to tell her?"
>> And at this moment, of course, Vanessa is standing right behind him.
>> I can't even tell you. I deserve that.
That too. No, no, no, no, no. Maybe, maybe not the Nethers.
>> Start talking.
>> And she's genuinely emotional.
>> Yeah. you know, becau, which is great because again, the emotional heart of the movie is the heart of the movie, you know, and they keep it real throughout.
>> God, she's so good here, too, man. She's so good.
>> I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry for everything. I'm sorry for for leaving.
I'm sorry for not cowboying up sooner than rough couple of years.
>> Rough.
>> And she stares at him.
>> I live in a crack house with a family of 12. Every night we spoon for warmth.
Everybody fights for Noel. She's the fattest. There's nothing that we don't share. Floor space, dental floss, even condoms.
>> I think her reaction shot is so perfect.
>> Yeah. Because Because what she does is she goes, you can see the wheels turn and go, I see what you're trying to do.
>> Yes.
>> And you can also see in her face that's like I'm it's not quite enough. You know what I mean? Like >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
>> You can't just do this. But you also see her make the decision to accept it. You know, >> she does believe him.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, and that all I mean, not that he's living in a a crap house with people, >> right?
>> Is that cuz Well, honestly, this is how you resolve things is that you know, you're not going to get a 100% of the thing that you need from the person. But if they make a serious effort and to bring you 80%, you kind of meet them a little bit. You give back a little bit the 20.
>> Well, and you got to accept people, right? if you want to have real love.
And then >> she knows that this is WDE's way of trying to like >> apologize. He's never gonna fully say I'm sorry, but this is by joking about this situation. It's his way of saying he's sorry. Yeah, exactly.
>> I mean, Wade is all jokes. I mean, there is there is nothing without them. And she says she doesn't one up him, but she says, >> "So, you live in a house."
>> Which tells him that she's that she's there, you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he comes forward and says, "I should have come and found you sooner, but baby, the guy under this mask, he ain't the same one that you remember."
>> You mean this mask?
>> And she reaches up for it and he resists a little and she reaches back and starts to take it off and it's moving and we are building for the moment that the movie has been setting up, which is the first moment that she sees what he has become. But the movie doesn't give us that moment because from behind you see there's like some paper on his face and you're going what the hell is that and we cut to and we see her react to it and then we cut to the reverse and it's the People magazine picture of Hugh Jackman.
>> Yeah, >> it's awesome >> that he has stapled onto his face.
>> onto his face.
and she reaches for that and starts to take it off and we get some jokes about the band-aid and she takes it off and I think her reaction if she had had no reaction I love you whatever that would have been wrong.
>> I agree for this movie 100%.
>> Yeah, she does react and goes wow.
>> She steps back.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. cuz it's a big deal. But then this line is so great cuz she says, >> "Hey, after a brief adjustment period and a bunch of drinks, it's a face I'd be happy to sit on."
>> Oh, the smile. The smile on his face, too, cuz now she's accepted him. Uh, you know, and he's accepted her. It's great, you know. Well, well, and it's the it's within their relationship. That's what she doesn't she doesn't go, "It's okay.
I can live with it." She takes a joke back to >> their calendar girl year of sex. You know what I mean? Like, this is that's part of their relationship.
>> I'm not the same underneath this suit either.
>> Super penis.
>> Come on, Wade. Language. Young one is present. Young one is present.
Whereas I am sure Negga Sonic Teenage Warhead has a way filthier mouth than Colossus does >> and maybe even more experience than Colossus has.
>> What are you still doing? Get out of here. Go make yourself useful. You go be a really big brother to someone. Tell Beast to stop [ __ ] on my lawn. And you chicken noodle. Nothing compares to you. Chenado Connor 1990. Sorry.
>> That's all right. You're cool.
What in the ass? That was not mean.
And now for the moment I've all been waiting for, which is a great line. And they have a big kiss. And we suddenly hear Careless Whisper.
And even though he forgot the ammo and everything else, he remembered his phone and had it queued up to the song and says, "Wam." Yeah.
See, you don't need to be a superhero to get the girl.
>> The right girl will bring out the hero in you.
>> Now, let's finish this epic wide shot.
Pull out. There we go. That looks nice.
It's going to be about the only thing that's pulling out tonight. Who doesn't love a happy ending, huh? Until next time, this is your friendly neighborhood pool guy singing dance.
We get some fun credits with some unicorn eroticism and some notes of the actors that are hot. Um, and so on. And of course, we're wondering what is going to be the postredit sequence. Well, what do we get? We get Ferris Beller. He comes out essentially in I wonder if it is the same robe that um, Matthew Bradock wore in Ferris Buer. He comes out like the end of Ferris Mueller giving a similar monologue and says, >> "You're still here.
It's over. Go home. Oh, you're expecting a teaser for Deadpool 2? Well, we don't have that kind of money. You expecting Sam Jackson show up with a eye patch and a saucy little leather number? Go. Go.
>> We get a little bit more credits and then he comes back.
>> But I can tell you one thing and it's a bit of a secret. For the sequel, we're going to have Cable. Amazing character.
Bionic arm time travel. We have no idea who we're going to cast yet, but it could be anybody. Just need a big guy with a flat top. Could be Mel Gibson, Dolph Lungren, Kira Nightly. She's got range. Who knows? Anyway, big secret.
Sh. Oh, and don't leave your garbage all lying around. It's a total dick move.
And then he heads out.
And that is the end of Deadpool.
I love the as irreverent as he is, even at the end, he's delivering a little bit of a lesson. You don't leave your trash around. It's hilarious. Which by the way, 100% littering is the thing that just pisses me off in any way, particularly in the movie theater. Pick up your [ __ ] >> Anybody who's listening to us, and I don't care if you never listen to us again when I say this, if you're the kind of person who leaves trash behind on a on a theater seat cuz you're too [ __ ] lazy to throw out your own garbage, you should never be allowed back in a movie theater. I I I hate it when I see it in a movie theater. I just hate it. You know, a strand of popcorn here and there because it fell off your body. Sure. But entire buckets of popcorn or drinks or crumpled up wrappers of candy, multiple like that drives me nuts, man. Drives me nuts.
>> People who say, "Well, they pay people to clean that up." [ __ ] you. To clean up your own [ __ ] I'm right with you. Right with you.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we're in post-production. There are over,200 digital shots. It's much more than they originally had planned. That's a ton. Of course, as we said, because the main character is behind a a mask the whole time, we can do rewrites throughout posts, which they did. The marketing is fascinating because they did not get a big marketing budget, but boy did they use it. All the little goofy weird Deadpool spots and all sorts of strange little circumstances, not expensive to film, but were hugely popular and were definitely things that got shared on the internet all the time.
So the buzz for this movie really build because of not expensive marketing but really smart marketing.
>> Sometimes that makes the difference. You know >> it's released on March 12th, 2016. It is has a record-breaking opening movie weekend. It is the highest grossing X-Men film at that time which is kind of amazing. It was the highest grossing R-rated film at that time. $782 million worldwide against a $57 million budget.
Good God almighty.
It was not nominated for any Oscars.
Um, but I wanted to mention because I just I the ones I looked at because I was curious about were screenplay and actor because I actually think Ryan Reynolds >> playing Deadpool is amazing. So, here are the people nominated for actor.
>> Andrew Garfield for Hacksaw Ridge, Ryan Gosling for La La Land, VGO Mortonson for Captain Fantastic, Denzel Washington for Fences, and Casey Affleck wins for Manchester by the Sea.
I put Ryan Reynolds in that list.
>> Who would you remove though?
>> So, I have never seen Hacksaw Ridge, actually.
>> Oh, >> I hear is great. Um, >> it is. He's good in it. He's great in it.
>> Don't tell Mance, but I don't love La La Land as much as everybody else does. I think Ryan Goslin is really good, but I'd rather watch Deadpool.
>> I 100% agree with you. I I think Ryan Reynolds over Ryan Gosling in that movie 10,000%. Uh, or even over Vico in Captain Fantastic. It's a fine film, but there's nothing VGO does in that movie that I haven't seen VGO do in other movies. So, yeah.
>> I mean, this is that is not looking at that. There are lists where you go like, "Oh my god, that is a spectacular competition for best actor." This one is not one of them. And the same thing for screenplay. Screenplay the nominees are Arrival, Fences, Hidden Figures, Lion, and Moonlight. Which one?
>> You know, >> interesting. Okay.
>> Anyway, just something to think about.
Got a couple more questions from our patrons before we wrap up. Okay, this is from Michael Gulick who says, "Tim Miller is the director of the film, but how much of the success and fun of the film do you feel is because of his involvement versus Ryan Reynolds given how hands-on the star was reportedly with production and Tim Miller's ouster?" So, what are your thoughts? Uh, well, I would say the reason the film works technically is because of Tim Miller and the way they were there's no way you make this film as good as it is on the tight budget that they were on without the expertise and technical knowhow for special effects that Tim Miller had. And this was his theatrical debut as a director. And I tell you, it's a pretty fantastic debut. But I think the humor, the script, all of that, you know, look, Waro and Ree are great writers. So they're, you watch the Zombie Land films, they're amazing in those Zombie Land films and no one's going, you know, Jesse Eisenberg was hands-on with this stuff. So I think Ryan understood the character. I think he knew Rob Lifeeld and him and had conversations. So I do think Ryan was essential obviously to bring this character to life. But I do think Reese Wararch are great writers. I think Tim Miller did a damn good job direct directing this film. So I think everybody is involved in making this a success. and the comedy side of things.
I can't just go, "Well, because Ryan was hands-on, it came out really well." No, he was working with two really good writers who have a track record of writing funny stuff with serious stakes in them as well. So, I think it was a combination of everybody's talent coming together. I just think the hype machine for Ryan Reynolds was in full force and we've seen now 10 years later how that hype machine works for him for sure. So I, you know, I temper my feelings about it through a different perspective now.
So yeah, >> I I agree with all of that. And I think, you know, people have such a strong desire to go like, well, who's there's got to be one person who's really responsible and that is not what filmm is. And the fact is is you can have the greatest, perfect, clearest vision in your head of what you want the movie to be, which you probably don't, but let's say that you do. If you don't have the technical knowledge and logistical ability and leadership skills to make that happen, it will not come on the screen. And you can have the best technical knowledge and leadership skills and have no vision of what the film could be. And you can make a movie, but that doesn't mean you can make a great movie because you need all these parts. There are all these people working really hard and it work together to make a great film. There's no way this movie happens without Tim Miller and there's no way this movie happens with Ryan Reynolds or the writers, you know, the right casting. There's a whole bunch of stuff that happened to go right.
>> Yeah. And you know, it's funny, Steve.
You never hear, "Well, if Ryan hadn't suggested these 10 other stupid jokes, if we had taken it, we would have ruined the movie." Like, you never hear never hear about the person suggesting jokes that didn't work. It's always the jokes that did work, so to speak.
>> And I'm certain Ryan came up with a hundred jokes that didn't work.
>> Yes.
>> Because that's how you find the ones that do work. Exactly.
>> You know, exactly. Um, our second question comes from Jack Pews, who says, "Um, I'm curious about your thoughts.
Since Marvel and comic book movies aren't quite what they used to be, what should studios and filmmakers take away from the original Deadpool as they try to recapture the magic of comic book movies from the 2010s?" Nothing.
I would say nothing because Deadpool is its own singular thing. And you cannot make Deadpool X-Men and you cannot make Deadpool Avengers. You cannot make Deadpool Deadpool exists in its own uh way singularly and you must respect that. So if you're saying well what can they learn from this film? I guess I would say good writing, great direction and casting correctly are essential to making a great superhero movie. But you knew that already. But Deadpool is so singularly itself. I think there's a reason they haven't been able to recapture the magic with either of the two installments. And it's because this was an anomaly and it should be uh um revered as such and respected as such and cherish cherished as such. I don't think it provides the blueprint in any way that you couldn't see in any other superhero movie that was really good, you know.
>> So I am going to agree with you by disagreeing with you or disagree with you by agreeing with you, which is yes, I think that Deadpool is singular and I definitely think the solution is not to copy Deadpool because Deadpool is singular. But you remember when we did we did our sort of dividing up the MCU movies into great, good, midlean, and ugly. And my theory about the great ones was that they were really fall fell into two categories. One is that they really service the MCU in bringing like Civil War, like Infinity War, and Endgame where they did this incredible hat-tick of bringing all of these things together and paying them all off. That's one thing. But the other ones were the singular vision of interesting directors with an interesting take. Guardians of the Galaxy is also singular. Black Panther is singular. Captain America: Winter Soldier is singular. So to me, the lesson is yes, Deadpool is singular.
You cannot copy that.
>> You have to make your own movie. The movie has to work on its own. It cannot be like there's so much where people are trying to run before they catch the ball to provide all of these things into the giant structure of the Marvel story or whatever. was like, "No, you have to do this movie about this character and it has to be singular in the way dead not in the way Deadpool is singular, but it has to be its own thing." Like, you have to bring your own thing to it. That's my answer to that.
>> Yeah, 100%.
>> We We've reached final thoughts and I'll go first because I don't have a lot to say because I just really like this movie and I love I love Breaking the Fourth Wall. I love jokes that don't have restraint that say, "Yeah, we can joke. We can make Judy Bloom jokes. We can make jokes about sex and masturbation and violence and all of that stuff and actually be a good-hearted movie in its very very strange way and capture something totally unique. So, I had I have so much fun watching this movie and this is there are movies we do where I don't want to see them for a while. Deadpool I could watch tonight.
>> Yeah, I mean my father it's great to revisit a film 10 years later and know that it still holds up and that's what I would say. I think that's the great thing about doing the film this time around is that it's still as good as I remember it being back then and even more so now because we've had so many as as the recent person who asked our question there. We've had so many stumbles and uh uh trips and falls in the superhero world over the these last 10 years that it makes films like this that really got it right all the more precious, all the more uh uh amazing and treasures that we can go back to and enjoy over and over and over again. And you're catching Ryan Reynolds right at I think the beginning of the Ryan like the beginning of Ryan Reynolds prime where he really understands the power of his comedy. He understands the power of his delivery and the power to mix that in with the his kindness and his warmth and his charm all working together for this movie. And it makes so much sense and it's great to know that you can make an all-rated irreverent movie that has heart to it without getting caught up in the things that you're supposed to do or not do when showing a superhero in a movie. So, I love it for that. I love it for Tim Miller, who's a fantastic director. I enjoy his work a lot and uh I think it just is great that it knocked it out of the park and we can still appreciate it all these years later uh and have fun with it and as you said Steve it's eminently rewatchable which is makes it a even more of a a great accomplishment by everyone involved.
>> Agreed 100%. So that's what we think of Deadpool. Of course we'd love to hear your thoughts. If you want to visit us on social media go to Facebook and do a search for the Cinnaphiles or Twitter where it's sa_files Instagram it's the cinnaphiles podcast. If you want to find me, it's SR Morris on Twitter. And of course, you can subscribe to the show at all the usual places. You can support us at patreon.com/theinophiles or on Apple Podcasts where you can get adree versions of the show. You can also listen to our cinnaphile shorts. And of course on Patreon, you can join our advisory board. John, how would folks find you? Yeah, you can always find me at the Rokus on social media. then head on over to my YouTube channel, youtube.com/jhroa says, where we talk all things going on in the world of entertainment with the geekbuddies, the hot mic, the Jedi way, spill the tequila, my show, the truth, and my reactions and reviews as well.
So, thank you so much. And I think that's it for this week. We will be back next week for a very exciting film right here on the Caphiles.
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