This video discusses a controversial case in Kenya where a woman named Mama An was arrested and held at a police station, sparking outrage online. The content creator Maxwell explains that police demanded 20,000 Kenyan shillings for her release, which he considers unfair. He criticizes the police for arresting someone to produce another person (Coco Mama) and for demanding money for release. Maxwell argues that police should serve the people according to Kenya's new constitution, not intimidate them. He also discusses the broader issue of social media justice, where online commentators often criticize without providing support, and the importance of understanding legal concepts like fair use versus defamation. The video highlights concerns about police misconduct and the need for accountability in Kenya's justice system.
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police station and I think they're working out on her release.
>> Release.
>> Yeah, they're working out on her release. That is what is going on.
>> Yeah, >> they were there since what time? The last time you you passed there, it was at what time?
>> It was around uh someone 1 1 hour from now.
>> Yeah, because me I passed there like 2 hours ago. Yeah, >> 1 hour.
>> Right now in Kenya is uh let me confirm the time. Yeah, >> it is 304. Yeah, >> 304. Yeah, >> 304. So me when I passed there, it was like 2 hours ago. That was one. Yeah.
And uh I found mama an there struggling a lot. Yeah. And this shows us something. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> When you have a problem, >> there's that matter of nobody can come and uh >> when you have a problem, it is only your family members will rescue you and that the reality you know leave alone what we see in the YouTube street. People are now uh people are now barking like to tootless dogs. Yeah. They're there commenting saying this you're supposed to do. They are very judgmental. Yeah.
They even give you what to do without themselves coming and tell you this is what you are supposed to do >> to do. Yeah.
>> And that is actually what is happening in this YouTube street. Yeah.
>> I'm I'm like is that true?
>> That is true. It is then on the Yes.
>> Wow.
>> And this is what happened after they arrested her.
>> They actually they arrested her so that >> Mhm.
>> the boyfriend can come to the police station and >> show up.
>> Yes.
Is that okay?
>> Don't we have IPO in Kenya?
>> We have IPO in Kenya.
>> Wow.
>> I think that's a a very interesting case for >> Yeah. Because it is up to even they brought the the child Yeah. to the police. Now the policemen were like why didn't you tell us that you have a young a young Jun in the house and let me tell just people the reality about what is happening in Kenya.
>> You if today Maxwell I can't talk bad about you. Yes, I badm. Okay. According to your opinion is that I badmouthed you.
>> I think it's a civil case.
>> Yes.
>> Not supposed to be a criminal case.
>> You just have to go court to court or just find a lawyer. We'll go and file that case for you. I'm just summoned to court then we go and sort it out.
>> We go and sort it out. That is how it is working. Yeah.
>> Yes. like near the camera.
>> Yes. Uh good morning beautiful people.
Welcome back. Actually the session of today I'll be oneonone with a friend of mine here. We'll be introducing himself then we get to know him better because uh he means a lot. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. Hi guys. How are you? Welcome back to Maxwell's channel. Oh, my name is Charles Hamburg.
>> Yes, Charles Hamburg. Sir Charles Hamburg. I remember when you were in Primary Lucas.
>> You see Hamburg? Yeah. Because when we were registering exams, Hamburg was being told that we require three names.
So Hamburg told the teacher that let let me first go at home then I confirm my third name. Tomorrow I'm bringing the third name. So Hamburg went back home. The following morning Hamburg came say that I'm called Sir Charles Hamburg. Hey, >> do you still use S Charles Hamburg?
>> Yeah. Now nowadays I go by many names.
>> Yes.
>> As luck would have it, people call me Moshia. Other people call me Kabos, meaning small boo. Some people call you Katumbo.
>> Some people call me Katumbo. Some people call me Governor.
>> Well, yeah. I have I have so many names.
>> So many names.
>> Yes.
>> Kumbbo sounds very interesting. Yeah.
>> No, but that one is all only for my close friends and >> translatives and maybe people respect you. Yeah. Actually, Kumbbo for those who don't know what Katumbo means.
Kumbbo means belly or what? Look the way he's like pregnant.
>> Coved stomach.
>> I'm I'm >> and I think I'm only the one who plays with him a lot. If you come and then you start calling him Kumbbo. Ah yeah.
>> Bad news.
>> Bad news.
>> It's bad news.
>> Actually like today a lot of shenanigans has happened in our village.
>> Yes.
>> And we'll be speaking. Yeah.
Thanks for visitation and I know actually let us tour just we see the purpose of the day here.
>> Okay.
>> Then after that then uh we do the needful. Yeah. I wasn't around.
>> Mhm.
>> But I've just arrived the village some minutes. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Some minutes now. But still >> I'm evacuating.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yes. Yes. Because I have a lot of things to get for. Lucas has been here handling some two things because actually Lucas is like our host >> because for me even I don't know since that uh that house started I don't know where the bedroom is. I don't know where the ST room is. I know nothing.
>> So So Lucas for >> Lucas is actually the manager.
>> Manager of foreman >> manager of forman.
>> Lucas is not an engineer.
>> Okay, let's go.
>> How can he be a foreman? How can he be a poor man?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
because stalls stalls are Finished.
I require I require more stones. Yeah. I can see only one left.
>> They already finished the sand there.
>> The sand is finished.
>> That one.
>> You see this one?
>> Yeah.
They start at the other end.
>> One.
>> Yes. One. One.
>> The bigger one.
>> Oh, the bigger one.
>> Yeah. I don't know. 10.
>> Okay.
>> The sun is rushing.
So everything is being consumed. Yeah.
Like this one before see your house.
Oh, this is kind of kind of squeezing.
>> This is discrimination.
>> This is a discrimination against big people.
>> You see, >> you have to make sure you fit yourself.
Now people like me, they don't want us to want us to use this washroom.
>> That washroom is bigger.
>> You want it to be >> this this wall they have squeezed it >> after they plaster.
>> So they do plastering >> here.
After plastering.
>> Yes.
>> See, I'll start using it.
This is good.
It is so small.
House is so small.
>> This house is not small. It is not small.
>> 6x6 will cover the entire room. Never.
>> This house is not small.
>> Very spacious. Ah.
Where will the bed seat?
>> But it is 6x6.
>> 6x6 is the bed.
>> But I'll be I'll wake up. I find myself in the kitchen.
>> Yeah.
Hey, and this battery was so big.
>> Yes.
So big that that window >> we were supposed to be having another window here >> behind under there.
>> Yeah window.
This one.
This one. This one is a little bit bigger. I think it's a little more light in the room.
>> And this one >> kind of spaced.
>> Is it necessary to be here?
>> Uh, this is the >> kitchen.
>> Kitchen can have one window in the kitchen.
>> I think this one should be closed.
>> One window is enough. Yeah, one window >> because you see for this window if it could be transferred to here >> by the way there for >> for privacy.
>> What?
>> For privacy.
>> Which one?
>> Yeah. You can't put a window because of privacy.
>> So I think that that one should be sealed.
>> This one?
>> That one should be sealed completely because I already have this one. Yeah, I already have this. So, that one will be sealed.
These one will be sealed.
And uh the rose and then we have something like uh see could be here >> by the way. This one.
>> That one. Maybe you are closing that window.
>> You are closing that window.
>> Yes.
>> Then the kitchen cabinet should be there.
>> Because I'm thinking about kitchen cabinet here.
>> Yeah, that's better.
>> And maybe those >> both bottom and top.
>> Yes.
>> Because I'm thinking of the same or you people wanted to place it here.
>> No, no, no.
>> That you you know because of the door the open space.
>> Yes. That place can be left for like putting maybe you don't have a source of water. Water reserve.
>> Yeah, >> here.
>> Yeah, >> it's a special >> and corridor. But I can put my here.
>> At the entry.
>> Yeah, >> at the entry.
>> Somewhere here. Where where will we have the the gate? The bigger gate. Is it here or here?
>> We were planning to extend that uh that uh front porch.
>> Yes. to extend a bit maybe towards the window >> towards here.
>> Yeah.
>> And then somewhere here.
>> That's what you were thinking.
>> Yes.
>> So that you get enough space on the at the porch.
>> So this means that uh the the metal door will be here >> probably >> or here >> if you wish. It can either be at the front part or the side. Are you going to put the grills?
>> Grills.
>> Grills. I wanted to put toilet there.
>> So what they mean?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, here.
>> No, it should be open.
>> I don't think but I'll know. I'll know. Yeah, I might decide to put >> because if I leave it open, >> somebody can come here and do some.
>> So that means the wall will be somewhere here. or waste.
>> I'm adjusting the wall for the front porch will be somewhere here.
>> The no need for the gi I'm asking if the front where will the wall reach?
>> We always put it at >> here.
>> So that means we must have a grill.
>> Yeah. Somebody can jump over can even work there the whole >> dismantling the door >> because nobody can see from that point.
>> But this this house I think I'll put the door outside. Then here I'll put the record this other door.
It is called the timber one.
>> You put you not put a metal one.
>> Two metals.
>> Yeah.
>> For security purposes.
Okay.
So did you people call yesterday?
tomorrow.
>> Yeah.
Okay.
But this kitchen is so big.
I think I'll be making my studio somewhere here.
I can make a studio here.
>> A studio.
>> Okay.
And I think uh it was also thoughtful of you to think to to dig bigger well.
>> Yes.
>> At least you have ground water.
>> Yeah.
>> Come here. Come here or we come we come next to you.
>> I was you know I have to to tour around so that I get used to this place.
>> Yeah.
>> But uh it's also nice. So where will be the wall fence? Wolf fence.
>> The security fence. Oh one look you can go. You can turn this close.
supposed to put a fence here. You see here?
Okay. We align with this three. Yes. So, where?
Yeah. They supposed to be aligned here.
>> Yes. You see the way this face goes.
>> Mhm.
>> Even the wall. The silas they called silas or what?
>> Actually they were supposed to do the work today >> but I told them to wait first because if they f the tree dumps trees down. Yeah.
>> That means people will keep on trespassing.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So that means maybe if I get money >> I'll be working on this one. Yeah.
>> Still because it will be it will be consuming a lot of money.
>> Yeah. It is not easy to make a wall.
Yeah.
>> It was one thing I wanted to do. I wanted to press behind until that corner.
>> Okay. I understand.
>> I fence until that corner.
>> Then now another problem is how will I put the fence?
So that means uh the wall will be far away from uh from the house.
>> Yes.
>> Some distance.
>> Will it bring cells?
I yeah but you see the thing is when you get a fence >> easier even if you decide to like keep to keep chicken and you can keep your things in order and then >> there's just that part of security >> yeah but I think the positioning is good you have to use maximum space >> yeah I have to use the maximum space possible >> so you see These things I need to take them off. Then I bring some people to come and remove the stumps.
>> Then this is a very good project to do.
>> You know, I'm tired of paying rent.
>> I'm tired of paying rent. I want to start with ease. As time goes, yeah, I'll upgrade to something good.
>> Yes. Maybe in future when visas come maybe when hamburg comes you you'll be sleeping here maybe that is in future.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. But yeah me I always come to your place even if you don't have a place for a specific place for just come.
>> You just come >> uninvited.
>> Uninvited guest or invited.
>> Yes. You just see me around. I guess your old fence somewhere the the fence does it align with this plant over here.
>> No, I'll just reach it here. You see here?
>> So, I'll bring it until you see this piece here.
>> Mhm.
>> It will come all all around from there until here.
>> Mhm.
>> So, should I work with the bricks or I bring the block one? The cut stones take the cut stones are easier.
>> Yes. Because the thing with this bricks.
>> Yes.
>> The thing with them like if you put them on the wall fence, you have to plaster.
>> Which one?
>> The bricks. Just a minute. Let me call the engineer. Engineer was supposed to be here.
So I have my engineer. Oh, please hold or call back later. Safari.
I think he's busy but he'll call me. Engineer was supposed to be here today so that uh to come and see what we doing here.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Because I have an engineer from Kisa.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. He's supposed to come here.
Actually, he's the one who is working on the on the other house. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> The bigger house.
So, we'll be working on it. as I do the needful in this one. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yes.
>> But these are a very very good project.
>> It was very smart of you to to start >> to think about these. Yeah.
>> And even >> so tomorrow, you know, my plans was >> Uhhuh.
>> Tomorrow we are putting the lint tool. Yeah.
>> But because one of the never came. Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> One of the never came. So that means uh >> until day after tomorrow Okay.
>> Or >> Mhm.
>> if >> Mhm.
>> they come tomorrow.
>> So that means uh they'll start uh with where they finish. Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. I don't know where they I want to just put a slope.
Slope can work here.
>> Yeah.
>> Where will be the water draining towards >> the water has to you cannot you cannot put like water to drain to >> this side? Because two things. If you are going to put the wall fence, >> yeah, >> the water will be, you know, >> but I'll be having the gutters.
>> The gutters and also I think it's easier to put them in front cuz uh if you want to collect water, where will be our tank be?
>> The gutters will come from there. Then I make >> Oh, you make space for a tank here?
>> Yes.
Either way, but if you put gutters over here, how will your fruit p be?
This this is supposed to face where the >> building this one.
>> This one for the house.
>> Hidden roof.
>> No, no, no, no. I don't do hidden roof.
>> I'm just doing the the normal one. The slope.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Then the roof must >> What about the >> Are you casting?
>> Yeah.
I just put roof. Oh, >> no slab.
>> No slab. Or which one do you prefer between slab and the normal roof?
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, >> slab is quite expensive though.
>> But maybe you need to place some like the tongs can do that.
>> But uh I can't place there the tongue because the wall is so weak.
>> Not tongue because it is >> those rooms are so close. Not very wing for the better get better get better get better get better get better get better get better get better get better get better outside >> so I'll be thinking about that yeah >> I'm going to think about that then uh make it happen >> but closer the more the more the more project will will be continuing.
>> I think the more the more it will just show it itself out.
>> Yeah. To show itself out because if you are going to let's say put uh the the roof >> over here that side if you don't cast let's say for example where will you put >> which do you prefer casting or just putting it direct >> casting because >> you have to put the small tanks for the wash for water >> but I'll be having the major tank here.
So everything will be running from here.
>> So everything will be running from here.
>> Yeah. Maybe see this space here.
>> This space >> I can put a tank >> so that uh but if you put a tank here >> the problem will you see the pressure >> Yeah.
>> the pressure will be a little bit slow >> because if you put a tank here water goes this way.
>> You see you have to take the pipes underground.
>> Mhm.
>> Then too deep. Yeah. Because you see the tank will be up >> when the tank will be up. So that means >> yes the gravity will push the water.
>> Yes.
>> Will it manage to I don't know. We we'll ask the engineer. The engineer will give us the appropriate advice.
>> Okay.
>> Max.
>> Yes.
>> You should get a wheelbarrow and bring the bricks in the land. Wheelbarrow.
It >> was all here.
Take uh them by the road.
>> That is a subscriber.
>> Yes.
>> Let me hold for you the camera.
>> You should take you should get a wheelbarrow.
>> Yeah.
>> And bring the bricks in the land show mark. So now one can take them by the road. Thanks.
>> I get a wheelbarrow. Mhm.
>> Then I carry the bricks from the this one.
>> Yes.
>> To inside here.
>> Yeah.
>> But we don't have a wheelbarrow because we don't have money.
>> You know, we borrowed everything.
>> Yeah.
>> This one is for We borrowed this one.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes, we borrowed this one.
>> Yeah. Yeah. This one is for that neighbor.
>> Yeah. For the neighbor there. We We can't even We can't even afford a wheelbarrow because it is too expensive for us.
Yeah. But uh we told 4,000 plus.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Before the last time you were asking somebody was telling you 41 and I know very sure. Yeah.
>> Once you are from here maybe you go and ask again you'll be told 5,000 5,000.
>> Everything is increasing daily.
>> Day and day.
>> Yes. Every day things increase in pricing. Yeah. Exactly.
>> So that is why even we chose to just do a minor project there and everything will be coming out. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Yeah. Back to business. The normal business. Yeah. Did you hear mama an and uh an have been arrested?
>> Yeah.
>> The reason for the arrest because maybe you are the one in the village. What happened?
>> But the reason of is just cocoing.
>> What did co mama do?
>> I mean I don't think if it is a good big deal to arrest that young girl.
>> Yes.
>> If it is a big deal there were big people there. Why could they not be arrested? the likes of Masub he's a big person he could be arrested not that young girl >> you know the is here yeah >> jaddy herself does not even own a house >> even yeah >> he does not so he was not even hosting the kok mama he wasn't she wasn't >> because uh kok if in case kok mama was hosted if there is somebody who was supposed to take the responsibility the parents >> the parents not that >> why was mama an released Then an remaining inside. Yes. And you know funny thing about an he has been there protecting the that >> family for a long time. All >> even that video you know I've seen a lot of subscribers saying that uh maybe >> the reason why okay >> the reason why they want cookama it is because maybe she's inciting people.
Yeah she's inciting villagers. I don't know it may cause havoc. But let me tell you, yeah, YouTube streets, there is nothing like incitement.
>> For those who understand, I've seen somebody asking me what is cyber bullying. Yeah. For those who know the law about cyber bullying. Yeah. Go read the law about cyber bullying and you'll really understand what the law says that. And uh some people even they're talking about uh what we call um defamation. Yeah. There is nothing like defamation. Yeah. This is what we call fair use. And uh a lot of people Yeah. This is what we call the fair use.
I've seen somebody talking like uh why maybe somebody was walking. Yeah.
Somebody was walking for one minute. But when somebody wants to to do this video, somebody elaborate this video for more than 30 to 1 hour >> that this just sugar coating and adding what you know as long as >> you maintain the topic of discussion.
Yeah. There is nothing like cyber bullying or what? Yeah. There is nothing like that. Not not defamation. Yeah. As long as you speak logic. Yeah, remember the same same family we have been having the history. Yeah. You know when you want to bring your points, you start from the history how it started until the end. Yeah. And like today we were passing there up and down near the police station and I think they're working out on her release.
>> Yeah. They're working out on her release. That is what is going on.
>> Yeah.
>> They were there since what time? The last time you you passed there it was at what time?
>> It was around uh someone 1 1 hour from now.
>> Yeah. because me I passed there like uh 2 hours ago. Yeah.
>> Right now in Kenya it is uh let me confirm the time. Yeah.
>> It is 304. Yeah.
>> 304. Yeah.
>> 304. So me when I passed there it was like 2 hours ago that was one. Yeah. And uh I found mama an there struggling a lot. Yeah. And this shows us something.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. When you have a problem >> there's that matter of nobody can come and uh >> when you have a problem it is only your family members will rescue you and that the reality you know leave alone what we see in the YouTube street people are now uh people are now barking like to tootless dogs. Yeah.
>> They are there commenting saying this you're supposed to do they're very judgmental. Yeah. They even give you what to do without themsel coming and tell you this is what you're supposed to do >> to do. Yeah. And that is actually what is happening in this YouTube street.
Yeah. You get that somebody tells you what to do >> and that individual is not even supporting you and that is the reality of what happens in this YouTube street and that is what is taking place. Yeah.
Like when I was passing through actually next to the police station. Yeah. I saw mama an really struggling. Yeah. She was alone. No YouTuber there. Nothing. Yeah.
Even look at the driver was not there. I myself I just pass and went to my to my Lucas where did you didn't you go and help her >> you can get that Lucas come and sign here you know was told that let's go you sign >> yes >> signing him >> so that is how she was captured >> yeah in fact villagers was in >> they came with a land cruiser >> they came the first people that they came they were this police >> yes >> so the villagers else refused the arrest because you know most of the villages they were just there at the funeral.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> So they refused after there >> there was a funeral there.
>> Yes. The young boy that was killed.
>> Oh the one that was let let us use an alive. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Because of the YouTube. Yeah. You know YouTube street. Yeah. There are some ones we not supposed to shout it the way they are. They are.
>> So the person that was unalived. Yeah.
Even I'm supposed to do that content about the individual who was unal alived and uh hopeful I'll be doing that content maybe tomorrow. I'll be posting it tomorrow morning. the reason why he was uh he was uh you know I usually put my own perspective yes >> of the entire situation because I have to hear how the matters arised because I'm being told that he was given a cargo go I don't know what what even I saw somebody else talking about the same same issue about even though it has not been discussed that seriously so look at the travel yesterday >> you were doing the same same content about the individual who was alive >> yes you know I watch I watch I was I I I was waiting for you to do a video then I come I inject from that point >> so actually from there people defended but was told let's go you put just aside you're coming back >> that is how she was arrested yeah but let me ask I think should be in this discussion >> Joe yeah we'll be having a one-on-one session yeah with hier so that we get to know you For him he did something like international relationship relations.
Yeah. He really understand these things.
Yeah. And because he has been outside here for a couple of years. Yeah.
You're still in Tik Tok.
>> Are you contributing or you just listening?
>> Me contributor. You are a speculator or spectator. Uh >> come here. Come here.
>> No, I just gone there.
>> Yeah.
>> There's something uh just stand.
>> There's something you once taught me.
>> Yes.
>> You taught me to view things in three dimensions.
>> Yes.
>> Front view, rear view, eye view.
>> So >> yeah, >> there I was seeing the house in the front view.
>> Yes.
>> I stood here. I sit I saw it in the rear view. now because there is nowhere to climb because I cannot climb trees.
>> Actually, we are not discussing about that. Yeah.
>> So, back to the video. There is something here we were discussing here with uh with the Lucas here because for you I really understand. Yeah. You know a lot of things when it comes to international relations. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Because that is your career. That was your career, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. There is a Okay. Introduce yourself first very well for those who don't understand you because this journey in life. Yeah. I've come with you from actually if there is one trusted friend that I have in this world.
>> Yeah.
>> Actually Hamburg is my number one best friend. Yeah. Since childhood coming to this age, coming to that age and uh other things. Yeah.
>> The criminality.
>> Uh the things that only us and God knows.
>> Yes. Us and God knows. Yeah.
>> The criminality and everything. Yeah.
So Hamburg knows everything about that.
Yeah. There is an issue here.
>> Yes.
>> Somebody was arrested yesterday in Bahani. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> In your village and this is what happened. Lucas, what happened? Because for you maybe how you know this data so so well.
>> Somebody was arrested during night time.
>> Yeah.
>> In night time hours. Then he was being told let's go and put a little bit of the sign.
>> That's process of putting the sign. He was told now sleep inside here. Start first. What happened? Yeah.
>> There is a international visitor >> who came >> who came to Kenya >> and not unfortunately this international visitor. She's a reactor called Kokama.
Yeah. Let me just say the name because she's a public figure. So we have to we have to talk things the way they are.
>> She's a reactor.
>> She's used to react on a family in Kenya. I know you understand the family.
>> You understand the family. So that that is what she she usually do. Yeah. And uh she has also been supporting some families >> here in Kenya and uh her visit apart from reaction because since she visited Yeah. she has not done any reaction video.
>> She has a lot of time without doing reaction.
>> Yes, she has a lot of time without doing any reaction. So it happened she was hosted with one of the actually one of the family that she has been helping. Yeah. She was hosted with that family. So this now is bringing a lot of controversy contra controversies. So because uh there is a clip where she was seen almost next to my to to this individual. Yeah, >> she was seen there. So it is it is really specul it is really doing what is it is actually really bringing a lot of confusion and a lot of people reacting about it. Yeah. That maybe she trespassed. She trespassed. That is one of the thing that maybe when they want to open the charge maybe they'll be starting with the trespassing and another issue it is about uh uh criteria actions in that family.
>> No it is like uh not enticing it is like um >> criticizing >> not criticizing it is uh this thing is called what?
>> But yeah you know English where you you are like inciting. Yeah, I was looking for incitation. Yeah.
>> So it was like people say that she was inciting that. Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Because when you look at that oneonone discussion with an for me I see like it was basically when you're being told the reality this person is not even helping you in any way >> that's the reality because somebody came and paid your school fees.
>> So you want to just seeing the individual the entire of your life.
>> No.
>> We don't bow down to pressure. We only bow down to God.
>> That is one. Yeah.
>> We only bow down to God. Any other things we don't bow and we also not we don't apologize. Yes. We don't apologize. Yeah. I Max don't apologize.
Yeah. Even if it takes you cut my head then I started running. Yeah. I don't apologize. Yeah. And that that's a matter of fact. Yeah. So having having heard that story there at least you have a clue about it. Yeah. Mhm.
>> So this individual the way Lucas is explaining here.
>> Mhm.
>> Now the lady Yeah. these you know we have the parents then there are how many sisters? Three.
>> Three sisters.
>> Yeah. And all the three sisters are the YouTubers. Yeah.
>> And uh brother >> brother >> only one brother.
>> All all brothers are YouTubers.
>> Two brothers or one?
>> All >> how many?
>> Two brothers.
>> Oh there are two brothers. Yeah.
>> All of them they YouTubers.
>> All of them they but I've seen uh I'm used to see only one.
>> Okay. The other one is doant YouTuber.
>> Do because he's still in school.
>> Who is that?
>> Joel.
>> Joel.
>> Oh, Joel. But Joel had a lot of subscriber. 10 and something thousand subscribers. 193. There is a YouTube channel.
>> There's Noel and Joel.
>> Oh, that is Noel. Then we have Joel.
>> Joel.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Me. I usually confuse between the two.
>> There's Joel and Noel.
>> Yeah.
>> Joel.
>> Yes. is the Noel now is the person whereby that boy who was get his life was was taken out.
>> Yes.
>> Where he was staying.
>> Oh, Joel was staying there.
>> No, no. No was staying there.
>> Okay. The boy was staying at Noel's place.
>> The boy who was unive.
>> Yes.
>> Omari Omari Taj.
>> Okay.
>> And Joel is the son to Baba.
>> Okay. Uh-huh.
>> H. So I really now understand your point. So >> So when uh the policemen came Yeah.
father they started policemen from uh Yabuhans. Yeah.
>> They came to conduct harvest. Yeah.
>> So when they came it me it it seemed that the villagers >> overpowered them.
>> Okay.
>> You see now.
>> Okay.
>> So they requested from for a backup.
>> Oh wow.
>> From Noa police station. Yeah. That is what happened. So two people were arrested. Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Mama an >> Mhm.
>> Yeah. They were arrested.
>> And the person who was supposed to be arrested is now the visitor.
>> So they being arrested being demanded that they have to produce >> Mhm.
>> Coco Mama.
>> Mhm.
>> Yes. Do you get anything from that point?
>> Yeah, I get I get I get you.
>> So is that is that arrest lawful?
First of all, but you're being arrested so that you can produce another person.
>> Yes.
>> I I I don't think >> Yeah.
>> I don't think it's anywhere in our laws.
>> Yes.
>> Whereby you can just be arrested because of knowing someone.
>> Yes.
>> You cannot be a criminal by association just by knowing someone.
>> Yes.
>> And also it's the duty of the police to arrest a person.
>> Yes.
>> They cannot just come because they have not arrested one person.
>> So that they force now they have to arrest you. Yes.
>> If they want to arrest someone, it's their duty to go and arrest whoever they wanted to arrest.
>> Yes.
>> Not whoever who knows that person.
>> Yes.
>> And also I think kind of there's a big problem with our justice system.
>> Yes.
>> Sometimes people use police so as to intimidate people as tools.
>> You cannot you cannot use the police to intimidate people. It's very wrong.
>> Yes.
>> It's very bad. It's something that we are fighting against.
>> Yeah.
>> Also, it's something you are fighting against in Kenya as a whole.
>> Yeah.
>> But also I think it's you also even God the creator of heaven and earth and the whole universe >> is not loved by everyone.
>> Exactly.
>> So it's not it's not for a must for someone to love you.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. Even we have our president is being abused every day. Actually that is that is something that I used I'm used to say even right now we have a hot conversation about the the man actually who >> who who came you're leaving >> no I'm here >> there is this man who actually was almost I don't know it was he was almost attacking the president we can stand this way I think the son is uh >> oh the guy who actually went almost to the police oh to the actually broke >> it was actually it is called what not risking the president is all um when you get next to the to the to the president.
Yeah.
>> You know it is like uh not even it is like breaking the protocol. It is something like because people people have to understand that the president is one of the most protected person. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> How did that guy manage to go up to the president? Yeah.
>> Yes. It just >> without even the ADC. Yeah.
The >> Yeah. the ADCs. I don't know.
>> Yeah.
>> But uh I think let's go back to our main point. I I think it's very very very unfair.
>> Yeah.
>> To try to use police to intimidate people.
>> Yes. That is unfair and it has been happening. Yeah. Not once. It has been happening severally.
>> Yes.
>> In normal occasion. Yeah. Especially the same same family has been doing that this >> continuously. This not even the last time. Okay. Even though the other time we were having the same same scen now not from the same same family this now was from Kenya power where they were supposed to arrest one of the YouTubers. Yeah. Called uh it's Gintu.
>> Mhm.
>> Because they were claiming that I I think Gintu attacked them. Something of that. Yeah.
>> So when they went to conduct the arrest they found Gintu is nowhere to be seen.
>> Mhm. They went ahead and arrested a breastfeeding mother that is Gint's girlfriend.
>> Wow. Is that ser? Was it that serious?
>> Yeah.
>> Is that >> It wasn't okay. Let me There is no There is no offense that is serious or unserious?
>> No. As in I'm like, is that true?
>> That is true. It is then on the Yes.
>> Wow.
>> And this is what happened after they arrested her.
>> They actually they arrested her. so that >> Mhm.
>> the boyfriend can come to the police station and >> show up.
>> Yes.
>> Is that okay?
>> Don't we have IPO in Kenya?
>> We have IPO in Kenya.
>> Wow.
>> I think that's a a very interesting case for >> Yeah. Because it is up to even they brought the the child Yeah. to the police. Now the policemen were like why didn't you tell us that you have a young a young Jun in the house and let me tell just people the reality about what is happening in Kenya you know when people now see the reality that I have a kid is when now they exchanging the story because at that time and I know very well the mother told the police that I have a son or a child left behind they didn't want to listen but I Uh uh >> but I am I'm out of words actually. I'm so surprised.
>> Yeah, it is happening.
>> But I think it's something that uh it has to be looked into.
>> Yes.
>> It's it's a very it's a very very heavy allegation.
>> Yes.
>> I think that's something that um I supposed to come and look into.
>> Yes.
>> And also these people, these people, this police people.
>> Yeah.
>> I think I don't know. But I thought in Kenya after our new constitution it changed from police force to police service.
>> Yes.
>> Supposed to serve the people.
>> There to serve the people.
>> Yes. Everyone you know even service to all.
>> Yes.
>> Service to all.
>> Service to all.
>> Yes.
>> But I'm just out of words.
>> You're just out of words. Yeah.
>> Because uh sudden >> Yeah. Because like that harest Yeah.
that harass should not be and now they're demanding for 20,000 Kenyan shillings so as to release this girl child >> what >> 20,000 cash bail they are calling it cash bail or police bail I don't know how to call it yeah >> they are demanding for that in order to release her >> and you know tomorrow is a holiday >> okay >> you know me I usually tell people this way yeah >> if I know I never did anything wrong >> arrest me I'll stay there and I'll not tell anybody that I've been arrested yeah >> but I think also Yeah.
>> And so I think it's there's a lot of there's a lot of flaws.
>> Yes.
>> That people use.
>> Yeah.
>> You see, for example, if today Maxwell, I can't talk bad about you. I bad mark.
Okay. According to your opinion is that I badmouthed you.
>> Yes.
>> I think it's a civil case.
>> Yes.
>> Not supposed to be a criminal case.
>> Yes.
>> You just have to go court to court or just find a lawyer who go and file that case for you. I'm just summoned to court. Then we go and sort it out. go and sort it out. That is how it is working. Yeah.
>> Like this one Anna has been actually from yesterday night. Yeah.
>> Up to now she has not been presented to court.
>> Are you surprised she has not and I know good thing is I know the the police it is called police service the head of police service I know they'll be they'll be watching these this is what is happening in Yabuhansi. Yeah. You know now is now behaving like you know the world is watching the entire world. So now the world they are saying that in Kenya we don't have laws. Yeah. Somebody just wake up and we are arrested.
>> Yeah. Just wake up. And making the matters worse. Yeah. Did you hear somebody was unalived in like 3 months ago? There is a guy called Mayani. Mhm.
>> Mayani was unalived and the culprit up to now >> is still at large >> in the in the streets meandering. Yeah.
The streets of Kenya meandering >> has not been arrested.
>> He has not been arrested.
>> So if you kill a person Yes.
>> You cannot be arrested.
>> Yes. But >> but when you talk >> not even talking and did nothing >> did nothing. When you host someone who someone doesn't like, you are being and with a claim that this individual build you a house. So that's why you're taking this responsibility that maybe I build for you a home.
>> You're not supposed to bring uh somebody that is a hater. Maybe a hater that I come as a hater. You know in Yuhani village we have this thing that we call inherited enemies. When I have enemies yeah >> you have to inherit my enemies.
>> And that is what is happen. So that means if uh maybe right now they see Charles Hamburg here with Max Lumumba, you'll be termed as a hater. I'll be termed as a hater.
>> Yes.
>> But actually that that will be so farfetched because I don't think even even personally YouTubers from Nabhans >> do interact with any of them. I don't >> I don't think because the traveler >> Yeah. We we have Lucas. Who else?
>> I think uh the person that you have met was Lucas.
>> Lucas. Yeah.
>> I I think those people even I I don't know even their their YouTube names. I don't know.
>> We don't talk. We There's nothing we have in common.
>> Oh, you have Claymore. You know Claymore?
>> Oh, >> Claymore is a reactor. Now is a reactor.
>> Claymore is a reactor. Do you remember that story that I told you about Claymore? Do you remember the time that I I reacted on Claymore?
>> You just told him. You just told me you reacted on his video.
>> Yes.
>> And then he told you to like turn it down something.
>> Yes. Yes. You remember that story? Now he's now he has now joined us in reaction because now he's saying I my brother you are you are speaking the reality and this is what is happening.
Yeah.
>> So I think yeah Clema is a is a childhood friend.
>> Yes. And also >> you have grown with them together.
>> Grown up together.
>> Yes.
>> But I don't I don't think uh okay it's just I don't know how to put it other than saying it's just primitivity.
>> Yeah.
>> Of the highest order.
>> Yes.
>> You don't just if you can hate on me because I appeared in Lumumba's channel.
It's okay. It's all right.
>> Friendship is there to stay.
>> I >> actually you are one of the friend that we have never we have never actually have differences since childhood. Yeah.
>> Since childhood. We have never actually scrambled or gambled or what for ladies.
No, we don't do that.
>> We don't do that.
>> Yeah. And we keep our friendship respectful because I was with you in primary school.
>> We went to high school.
>> The same school.
>> Yeah.
>> We live there. You joined a school. It was USIU. Yeah.
>> I didn't even me I joined my other school from the other side. Then we completed everything.
>> But I think if somebody wants to hate, let them let them hate. But it's very it's okay. You know in Kenya you are allowed to hate a person.
>> Yeah.
>> But uh it's you're not allowed to bully a person.
>> Yes.
>> You should not bully a person. But hating >> Yeah. Today I can decide and decide to hate you. So it's not a crime to hate someone.
>> I think it's only a crime in Kenya to to to like hate a certain like the whole tribe. Like if you you you talk about tribalism in a in a wrong manner.
>> Yes. But in terms of hate, there is no law that tells you to love everyone. You know, even you're not told to love your country. You're just told to be patriotic.
>> Yes. Yes. Actually, that is what is happening. Let me see with this the engineer.
Ah, this person is flashing me. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, this one. Yeah. Okay.
So, Hamburg.
>> Yes.
>> So, having say that, yeah, back to the discussion. Yeah. I was in a state telling you that the individual up to now has not been taken to court and even if that individual is going to be taken to court which charge >> which charge will he be actually >> but you know >> you know the the the law has a very funny way of of toying around with a person.
>> Yes.
>> It's it's it's kind of they can just find a very very small mistake.
>> Yeah.
>> As long as it's a criminal one.
>> Yeah. so that they they they can like they can take you to court for that mistake.
>> Yeah.
>> Even if you >> Lucas, >> even if it was something >> even if it was something that uh it was a civil matter, >> they can just find a way, you know, >> that's the that's the bad thing about the law. It's not perfect.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. But uh but doing something something because you don't like a person >> Yeah. And then you go and uh and then go to a police station and go and say some >> so how much >> some some things that are not true.
>> It's very wrong.
>> Just put loud speaker here.
>> Yes, that's all I can say.
>> Hey, I've reacted in case in case. But today I'm a reactor.
>> We will reach there. Don't worry.
>> No, I'm supposed to open a YouTube channel.
>> How much?
>> How much?
27079.
>> How much do you have? I'm text was up.
>> I'll put the all amount of money. Yeah.
>> Or how much do you have?
>> Sour. I'll put for him uh 20,000. Yeah.
Tell him to text me via WhatsApp. Yeah.
>> Wow. Okay.
Yeah, I'll be handling that issue. Yes.
>> I think it's it's wrong to to to just uh to just uh hurt someone.
>> Yes.
>> Because you have you have a score to settle.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's all I can say. Today I've talked >> every day I've talked. So >> it's just that the same same this week.
Yeah. I was threatened.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. I was threatened that somebody will go and tell my professional body that Max has done this is mouth talking or mouthwatering about him >> then uh he's going to make sure that my license get revoked.
>> Yes.
>> You know I was laughing when I had that info. You know somebody has been given number >> it is not even one week has not one week is not over. uh >> you started saying that I have now the number I can just call and tell them that revoke this license. Yeah. The same same number he was given.
>> Mhm.
>> The same same number have been with it for the last like six to seven years.
And I've never thought anything of that kind. Yeah. Because I don't think negativity. Yeah. I think straight.
Yeah. That is what I usually say. So you know those those are just uh hot air.
Yeah. Even if my license be revoked today. Yeah, even if it be revoked, that is not the end of the world.
>> Still continue breathing.
>> The same same individual is a content creator.
>> Why can't I do the cont now put reaction double? You see now >> instead of reacting one video every day because I don't I never had a time for to react to that one video. I now double or triple. I now start doing for four videos within one day. Yeah.
>> So I'll start doing uh for four videos within one. So that is you know you close one door for somebody the next time you open another door for somebody and that is how we work. Yeah. So never think that threatening me that it will be the end of the world. Yeah. That is not the end of the world. And you know the good thing that uh I'm even giving you I'm helping you to do what we call countdown. Yeah. The other day it was 7 days. Yesterday it was 6 days. Today it is now 5 days. Yeah. We are going to do count out. Yeah. At the end of the day who we lose. I won't lose because I already have another career on top of a career. Yeah. And yesterday's video he told us he is my coworker. We work in the same company. Google is our actually Google is our our employee or our employer.
Google is our employer. Our clients are the subscriber. So if you think you're going to bring me down. Yeah. You just bring me down in one way, the other way I'm still there. So now I'll be reacting on you. Now you what? Okay. You're going to tell the the body, the professional body. The next time, will you go and tell Google? I have a backup account that maybe if this channel get closed, I have another one. I can open another one, another one, and another. As long as I do what we call I do what we call fair use. Yeah. In YouTube policy, we have what we call the fair use. Yeah. As long as I don't abuse you. I don't speak anything that will lead to defamation.
That is well and good. The work of being a reactor. Yeah. Even I'm not a reactor.
I'm a commentary. Yeah. I do commentary videos most of the time. That is why I'm usually neutral. Yeah. I don't abuse anybody. I'm very watchful. anything that I say so us not cross the line or not cross close ac cross cross the border yeah and that is something that I'm usually very I'm usually very very very very uh keen while I'm doing my reaction and that is uh how thing.
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