This debate examines whether Christianity offers women more rights and freedom than Islam, with Christians citing Quranic verses (4:11, 2:282, 4:24, 4:34, 65:4) as evidence of inequality, while Muslims argue that Islam's purpose is submission to God rather than freedom, and that Islamic teachings on women include moral guidance and prohibitions against mistreatment.
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So I believe that Christianity is better for for for females than Islam. And one of the reasons I believe it is better is because um women in Christianity have more rights and more freedom than in Islam. For example, um women there's there's nothing in Christianity which says that you should inherit half that of a man. In Islam, women inherit half that of a man. Yeah. And um that's Quran 411 411. Um in Christianity, there's no such thing. In Islam, in Islam, um it says that a woman's testimony is half that of a man. Yeah. That's chapter 22 282 of the Quran. Yeah. No such thing in in um Christianity. And the reason given in the taps here or bkari 304 is it says that the women are deficient in intelligence.
I'm going to stop there for now and my colleague can either pass or she can carry or she can continue.
>> Yeah. So in reading the Quran I found some really disturbing things in there about women like surah 4:24 which says that Muslim man can take captive forbidden to him a married woman apart from one that he's captured.
So basically that means in in a time of war or in if they decide it's a time of war against uh non-Muslims then a Muslim man can kidnap a woman who's married and rape her and that's absolutely appalling and whereas God the Bible says do not murder commands do not murder it's one of the ten commandments given uh to Moses in the Torah and then there surah 4:34 as I put to a book tour about before where it says that you can beat your wife. Um, and then there's chapter 65:E4 which says that you can marry and then divorce a preubescent girl which is also just terribly immoral. But in the Bible, um, in Israel at the time of Jesus, the woman's testimony, I believe, was was not valid. Kind of similar to in Islam where the woman's testimony is half of that of a man.
But God takes the wisdom of the world and he turns it upside down. So, who did God choose to be the first witnesses of Jesus's resurrection from the dead? He chose women. Whereas, so this could not have been made up by a Jewish man 2,000 years ago because he would not have chosen women to be the first witnesses of the resurrection. But God uh honors women and he chose women to be the first witnesses of his resurrection.
Um so yeah. Okay.
>> Your turn.
>> Okay.
Um, you said in your statement that Christianity is better for women because it gives women freedom.
Freedom and liberties and Islam doesn't give women the same freedom and liberty as Christianity.
First of all, you must understand that Islam does not offer freedom.
Freedom is not the objective of the Islamic faith. The Islamic faith is to bring man and woman together and to bring people together in servitude towards God, not freedom. So Islam is called the straight and narrow path and as a straight and narrow path we don't have freedom to do as we like and say as we like. So we have restrictions, we have laws, we have disciplines to follow. We have moral codes and if someone find an ideology or an interpretation of the Bible that expresses freedom, I am saying to you fine, take it. Enjoy it, love it, go with it. As for Islam, it is to bring the sovereignity of God upon his creation and to make all of mankind slaves to God through belief in God and through submission. So when you try to say Islam is not good for women based on freedoms, I would want to say Islam cannot be measured based on freedom. The liberalist freedom ideology is not the Islamic goal. So we are not measured to be right or wrong based on your freedom ideology. We refuse your freedom ideology. We believe that all of us have a covenant to God, man and woman, and that covenant to God is to submit completely submit in obedience and discipline to the one and true God.
So if Islam is offering servitude, submission, and obedience, this is what Islam is offering. It's not offering freedom. And in a liberalist world, if freedom appears to be more palatable, to be more tasty for you, my thing, go for it. Okay. So, in your statement, you never mentioned anything in Islam that is good for women. You're saying basically that Islam offers women obedience and men that they just are slaves to Allah. You're not saying anything that is good for the women.
Whereas in Christianity you can you can have freedom but ex the freedom is not complete freedom. There are constraints.
For example, Ephesians 25 it says it says that the man should love his wife like Christ loved the church and Christ sacrificed his life for the church. And Ephesians 28 say a man should love his wife like he's what you can't have the way you know. Okay, you can ask me a question when it's your turn. And I'll be quick. Ephesians 28 which says the match. But in Islam, you're just saying um both men and women they disobey.
>> I didn't say that.
>> Oh, okay.
>> And I didn't say that.
>> Okay.
>> I'll tell you what I said.
>> Oh, wait. Wait. Okay.
>> I can tell you what I said.
>> If you say >> he going to answer back.
>> All right. I'll tell you what I said.
I'll stop. You can let me clarify.
>> Yeah. Don't clarify.
>> I'll tell you what I said.
>> As I said before, very very generally, man is brought into submission to Almighty God through a covenant. is a covenant. Right? Now, if you want details, details, the covenant is to save us from the hellfire through obedience and submission, not through freedom. Now, you want to draw a passage from the Bible in Ephesians to suggest the Bible says that a man should love his wife. Now, in human thinking, nobody needs God to tell you a man need to love his wife. You don't need God to tell you that. Can Can I finish, please?
Yeah. Can I finish? Right. Now, the Quran is not there to tell you what is very obvious a man should love his wife.
It doesn't The Bible also says love your enemy. We don't we don't follow that.
Love your enemy. So, the whole love you, love you, love you, love you, love you, love you. You cannot fit that into Islam. You cannot compare that to Islam.
Now the Quran gives some details and he had it gives some moral guidance of how to shape a family life. It gives you principles. So sorry.
If someone was to come and say to me, the Quran says love your wife. Does it tell you how? So the question is the Quran doesn't explicitly tell you something that you already know that is natural for you. The mere fact that you choose her is because you want to marry her and you have love for her. That's why you marry her. Now, if you watch on the Quran and the teachings of the prophet as you will see details of how a man should treat a wife. Now, Kath read the Quran multiple times.
>> Can I just pause one second?
>> I'm going to finish in less than a minute.
>> Okay, go on.
>> And she read the Hadith multiple times.
And the places in the Quran where Allah command the man in details how to live with a woman, she will ignore that or pretends as if she didn't see it. Right?
If you read a hadith where Allah >> like now you're trying to like >> we only ask you to clarify your point and you're having enough go.
>> I'm simply saying again the hadith that tells how a man and a woman should live.
If you ok come across those hadith, you will never come public with it with it.
You know why? Because the intention is not to present the truth.
>> The intention is to vilify. How do you know our >> and to criminalize?
>> How do you know our intentions? You don't >> by your practice.
>> No, but you don't know our intentions cuz in our minds now did you drink that water?
>> Yes, I did drink water.
>> You intended to drink that water. So that's how I know my your intentions by what you do. And I'm saying to you if it is for my mind is if it is that you all are here to talk about Islam perspective for women then you will you will present the good of what you see and you will present the bad of what you see. But it is not your intention to present the big picture. Your intention is to vilify Islam. Now you come here to tell me God say a man should love his wife. To me that's simplistic and that's very childish. Every man should do should love his wife. Now the wife loving the husband. Quote me one verse. Quote me one verse where where the Bible say the wife should love the husband. You quote me one verse.
Have you finished? Because it's my goal now.
>> I I asked you a question.
>> No, it's my goal now. You say you're going to finish because the format is that we go round and round and we don't interrupt each other.
>> Okay. Now, now >> you never said anything in favor for Muslim women. That's the first thing you said in your debate. You never said anything in favor. And the initial the initial point he was making was about um freedom doesn't matter. Well, to women freedom matters. Not no go. To women to women and to men freedom matters. But but the Bible doesn't allow but the Bible doesn't allow complete freedom for either men or women. No religion does.
It has guidelines but at the same time it allows more freedom than in your religion. And when it comes down to love, you said your goal and you and we agreed on the format.
>> Yeah, but I'm asking the Bible.
>> When is your turn? You can ask freedom.
When it's your turn, we never interrupt.
Okay.
>> The format is you talk, no one stops. I talk, no one no interrupting my >> make a claim. I'm asking you, show me the Bible where freedom is the agenda for believing women. In the Bible, it tells it tells everybody to love their neighbors and themselves. That um for example, Luke 63 Luke 6 um I think it's Luke's Luke um 631 I think it is. I think it is.
>> It is in Luke anyway. Is it is Luke's Luke 631:31-38 I believe. Um it says it well it does say in the Bible that everybody should try to love their neighbor as herself.
So that that implicitly states that women should love their neighbor as theirself. your neighbor, Christ explained, was was your fellow person, anybody else. So implicitly in in the Bible, everybody who is a Christian has to try to love everybody else. It's not like in your religion where you're where Allah only loves those who believe.
Yeah. And those who follow the prophet, for example, um Quran 331, the says that if you love Allah, follow me, then Allah will love you. It's not like in your religion. And plus, you said that it's obvious that everybody loves everybody.
It's not obvious in Islam. I didn't say that.
>> No, you said I did not say that.
>> Sorry. You said Okay, thank you. You said take that back, please. Thank you.
I'll take you back. You said it's obvious that a man will a man and a woman will love each other.
>> No, I didn't say that.
>> Okay. You said it's you don't need to be told to love your wife.
>> I didn't That's what I said. I said it is there's no need >> to tell a husband to love his wife when it's very obvious the very fact that he choose to marry her to give adoring and to plan his life for them then that's the point I'm going to make before he goes on the point the point the point I'm making the point I'm making is that if you don't implicitly tell people to love then they will they will have marriages where they don't necessarily will try to love because it's not a command like in your religion women are told to obey 434 of the Quran and they're told if they don't obey there could be a physical punishment.
>> Yeah. No, that's where you're starting to lie. That's where you're starting to line up.
>> 434 says that 434 and and if he doesn't you you admonish her. When it's your turn, you can talk. You admonish her. You admonish her. You separate from the bed and you hit her until she returns to obedience or until she submits to you. And don't let me have to go to the taxi or that verse to explain it to you because because I could go to Jalain who says that the purpose of hitting a woman is to discipline her and put her in check and and Ib agrees with her. But anyway, I'm going to pause because in Islam doesn't prove it. It's not your goal. You know, like we said, the format the format was for the format before the debate was that they go round and round and I talk and I talk and and when I talk, you don't interrupt. When cat talk, no one interrupt. When you talk, no one interrupt. That's the format. Now, you're spoing the format.
We could change the format if you want because you're not allowing. You keep interrupting. When it's your turn, you can make your point. Yeah, we're going round and round.
Like I said, in Islam, there's no there's not one verse in the Quran that tells you that you should love your wife. But there is a verse that says that the woman should obey her husband, and if she doesn't, she can be physically disciplined. And raise your turn.
>> Yes.
Um, and Jesus Jesus said, "All the law and the the prophets." So the law that's the Torah, the prophets are summed up with these two commands. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. So yes, so that was just following on from what you said about commands to love one another. Um, and it's interesting, Abdullah, what you said about that you're slaves to Allah and that you have to obey him. there's not freedom but there's slavery and you need to submit to Allah and you need to follow all these laws.
So, and that is a that is a a problem and a sad thing because your God is not a father. My God is a father and in Christ we are set free. So, we have freedom in Christ. We're set free in order to obey him. But we've been set free because he's our he's our loving father and he wants to make us our children.
>> You love your children but you don't necessarily love yourself.
>> Exactly. Yes. So because all of us have sinned against God, we're separated from him because of our sin. But he wants us to and God says that we're his enemies because because of our sin because because we've disobeyed his laws. We've broken his demands. We're his enemies.
He wants to make us his friends again.
He wants to reconcile us back to himself. And in Christ, we're made children of God. So, we're not slaves.
We're not slaves. We are and God is not our slave master, but he's our loving father. And then the other the problem with this is that people cannot keep all of the law. God gave the law to the Israelites, but they were not able to keep it all. They kept disobeying God.
They kept sinning against him. They kept messing up. They kept worshiping other gods. They were not able to keep all of the law. But yet you Muslims are are stuck trying to trying to keep the laws, trying to be good, trying and trying trying to be good. But you can never be good enough to reach God's standard. God is holy.
God is pure. God is perfect. No matter how many good deeds you do, you're not going to get good enough to to meet God's good standard and to make yourself clean, to make yourself righteous. What?
>> All right, >> your turn, Abdullah.
>> Okay. Um, >> now you said there's no place in the Quran that encourages love.
>> There's no command to love your wife.
>> No command. Um, two things I want to mention. Love is of three types.
You have natural love where people love things that are beautiful.
That's natural love. Love things that are beautiful. You have conditional love where you love someone when you benefit from them. Somebody benefit you, you love them. You love the benefits. So you don't attach. And then you have a love where when you go into obedience with God, God loves you. You go into obedience with God. So there are three types of love. So love is not unconditional in Islam. In Islam, love is conditional. So there are three types. Natural love, beneficial love, and you gain God's love when you come under God's stones. Now you said the Quran doesn't make any mention of commanding mada.
So mada is an Arabic word that also use come from the word wud means affection and love. And Allah says in Quran among his signs of what he reveals to mankind is that you live with each other. You dwell with each other together with Moada with love and loyalty. Love and loyalty. So you could research Mo. It's well known to Arabs. Now let's let's get back this thing in perspective. Now when it comes to man and woman, husband and wife, Islam give rules and regulation, dos and donuts.
And it gives the woman a role. And it gives the man a role very similar to the oldfashioned old testament way of life.
And nowhere you will find in the statement of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam or in the Quran any command to mistreat a woman as the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam says I am the best to my family and the best among you are the best to your families.
Meaning to say the prophet Muhammad has commanded people to be very good to the their families and the best of you to their families are the best among you.
So it's a motivation to be generally good to your family to be kind and to live with them in kindness. The Quran also says that if you see something in your wife or in your spouse that displeas you, look at the good in that person and that will strike balance will take you away from those things that you might be displeased with. And sometimes the things that you're displeased with it, sometimes there's good in it. So the question is from an Islamic point of view which is well known. I don't need to demonstrate that. Both of you well know of it. The Quran gives general and specific rules of man and woman living together and it forbids all forms of mistreatment. But Kathy will stand in my face barefaced and look at me and try to insinuate that Islam is a religion that encourage men to be brutal and tyonic against women. She have tried that many times. I will deny one thing. I would say one thing to K.
Many Muslim women come here. Lots of them marry every time. You call them and ask them your religion compels men to oppress you cuz you believe women are oppressed because of the the the Quran.
The Quran encourage men to oppress women. Are you oppressed? And if Muslim women are oppressed and you want to liberate Muslim women, go to the Muslim women right now. hold them and ask them in terms of practice >> are they going to say yes in front of in front of the camera in front of other people in front of men total stranger sorry >> it's all right I'm not going to >> sorry I broke the rules I broke the rules it's all good it's fine it's all right don't panic >> no I'm not had a job I just broke the rules >> rules >> if cat believes and she been preaching this false speakers for many years that the Quran compel compels men to oppress their wife. Why don't you go and ask these women, lots of women and even children. The Quran compels men to oppress you. I am here as an English woman, European woman to liberate you.
Are you oppressed? Go and ask them.
>> Are you finished? Okay. about that.
>> So I'm simply saying that to demonstrate if you teaching the idea that Islam is oppressing women >> and we are practicing Islam go and conduct an interview with all the Muslim women there and ask them are you being oppressed and if you are if you are oppressed are you oppressed because you your husband following the Quran.
>> Okay my god now. Okay first of all we're not going to do a test like that because the women because why not? No, because here surrounded by Muslim men especially on camera to a total stranger came not we we well total stranger it's my turn.
>> How do you know the my turn I'm not talking a Muslim woman.
No my turn. It's my turn. I contradicting yourself.
>> I'm saying that um the idea that you're going to have a fair test in the park asking random strangers who don't know you about their religion and that they're going to automatically say I'm not a >> No, you're not. You don't have the authority to say that.
>> Okay. All right then. Assumption.
>> Anyway, it's my third assumption. The rules are that we don't disturb each that each other each one of us talks.
Now, you one of the phrases you said was the best of them. Now, where do I remember that that term the best of them? I remember that in um Iban Maja 1985. The same thing with the wood 2146 I believe. And bring it up. Can you even imagine? No. Bring it up on your phone.
>> The the the the viewers will check it.
Can you even imagine that a five?
>> Listen. Are you talking to me or talking to you?
>> I'm Well, are you going to check it?
People can check. You can check it while I'm talking.
>> Can you check Moana? Can you imagine?
Can you check more to Yeah.
>> I think it's my turn to talk.
>> And you want to check? Well, I haven't finished yet. Well, I haven't finished.
Okay. Okay. in 185. Yeah. Same thing as the word 2146. The prophet says, "No one should hit my female servants." Yeah.
And then um comes along and he says to the prophet, "The women are acting too bold." Majing to order us order us to hit them. And then the very next day, 70 women go to the prophet's house and complain to his wife that they've been that they've been hit. Uh um and the prophet's answer was they're not the best of them.
Who was not the best of them? The men who followed his order to hit the women or the women who were hit. It's a strange phrase. Now the now the term >> Yeah, they missed it. They missed quote.
>> No, it says it says it says you're not the best of them. How does it end?
>> It didn't say that.
>> It ends with you're not the best of them.
>> It doesn't say that. I have had it in front of me here. You can read it afterwards. You can read it afterwards.
Now it's your turn. Now the debate is about um which religion treats women better, Islam or Christianity. Let's talk let's go through some of the differences.
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