Molyneux dresses up standard scientific skepticism in philosophical jargon, turning a simple lack of evidence into a self-important lecture. It is a classic example of an intellectual over-analyzing the obvious to maintain an air of profundity.
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THE CASE FOR SPACE ALIENS AND UFOsAdded:
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>> Uh, you're welcome. Go ahead.
>> Okay. Um, yeah. I was looking at this alien stuff and uh I I think I've come into like Christianity uh on my own just because life's taken me there. Um, and now all this stuff coming out about aliens. Uh, like I I've watched a lot of alien videos. I've probably had like a thousand hours of documentary watching and um eyewitness testimony and congressional hearings and stuff like that.
um uh ju just give you an idea of like how how much I've studied this alien stuff and uh I just can't reconcile the two and uh I don't know I I just don't know uh how to think about it if you have any that's all I have to say if you have any thoughts on that I'd love to hear it >> sir when you say can't recogni reconcile the two which two do you mean god and aliens >> uh yeah like uh angels and demons versus extraterrestrials or some type of um AIs that visit us or something.
>> Okay. So, tell me a little bit about what you've learned from your thousand hours about aliens.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, uh there's a whole bunch of different theories, but um uh they definitely appear over nuclear weapons facilities like all the time.
that Robert Hastings has a book um that documents all the 167 different cases where you know the most uh uh steady and trustworthy and mentally stable people are running those nuclear missile uh tests so we can trust their testimony, you know, I guess. Um, [clears throat] and then all the Bob Lazar stuff and the documentaries about him and uh how even though there were some shady things like how um he only told Jacqu Valet that he was meant to drink a um a memory blocking um potion or or some type of roofy uh uh thing and um that there's some other shady stuff about his past, but all the other stuff about his uh testimony seems to be true. Um, so they're definitely >> And I'm sorry, I don't know. I don't know really what you're talking about.
So, testimony about what? It seems to be true.
>> Oh, sorry.
>> Assume I know nothing. Yeah, just assume I know nothing. So, go ahead.
>> Yeah. Well, he worked at uh Area S4 and uh they reverse engineering the UFO craft there. Uh, >> hang on. So, [clears throat] sorry to be annoying. Uh, but as a communicator, when I say, "Assume I know nothing," and then you say, "Well, he worked at S4."
What the hell do I know about S4? Assume I know nothing.
>> You're right. No problem.
>> You're right. I'm uh Okay, so this was before Area 51 was even known by the public as a thing that existed.
>> Um, and he was being uh solicited by um Area S4, which is an even more secret part of Area 51. is just south of it.
And this is where >> Okay. So, you're assuming I know much about Area 51 now. Area S4, I don't know much about that. Well, it's part of Area 51. As far as I know, >> Area 51 is where the United States government is supposed to have taken and kept space alien technology and bodies.
Is that right?
>> Uh, no. They're they usually go to um air bases. Um they just fly them to air bases and keep them.
>> Okay. And you'll have to explain to me what Area 51 is cuz I don't think I know.
>> Oh, well, yeah, eventually they do end up at Area 51, but they it's been known now uh that that they've um done um official like high-end aircraft have come out of Area 51 and and it's like a secret testing base and you can't get anywhere near it or they'll shoot you even if you're a citizen and it's just crazy there.
>> Um but so hang on, hang on, hang on. So what is when I said Area 51 is where they keep space alien technology and bodies. That's not correct or that it is correct.
>> It it is correct. Uh but but most of them go to air base. It's not like they all just get sent to Area 51. They go to the nearest air base and then uh there's a bunch of whistleblower um videos. I watch Jesse Michaels primarily and he talks about subterranean basement containing much more advanced technology requiring way higher clearances and that most people working don't even know about that is there.
>> Okay. So there are people who say they've seen these alien bodies and technologies but there is no and this is just a comment. And I don't mean that this proves or disproves anything, but there is no independent scientific >> publication or cells or anything like that. It's mostly just reported. And again, I'm not trying to say that that means it's definitely not true, but that's my understanding of it.
>> Totally 100%. Uh the the way that uh it's been explained to me is that they just get killed or they're get blackmailed in the most horrible ways.
like um if you're just going in for like some cool aerospace tech job and you're like a tech guy and you're just you know a normal god-fearing individual that wants to help people and you know do well if you get brought into one of these companies uh if if you want to get explicit information you have to get compromised as well. It's not exactly like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff but it's it's um they know everything about you and they'll just hurt you and that's why people uh it's very easy to keep people quiet. They silenced an entire town um in Brazil, the Virginia case in Brazil, which is an alien uh crash landing and it was like doc it was seen by the whole town and uh that's a whole other story.
But they silenced a whole town just by threatening each individual person, men in black suits. There's like documentaries about this. Um they come to the town of Argia in 1996 or 1986, I forget. Uh but in Varia, Brazil, uh they silenced an entire town by um and and it worked. When the documentary crew came down there, uh all the people didn't want to they were actually hostile towards the documentary crew. They're like, "No, we're not going to tell you anything because it's putting our family in jeopardy." And they do the exact same thing with the engineers. That's how it's been put.
>> Sorry, but silence them about what?
>> Oh, about whatever they saw. um which eventually >> how do we know what they saw if they're all silenced, right?
>> Well, that's the part of the documentary is getting to know these people and bu building a relationship with the witnesses and then eventually cracking them and getting uh information. That's >> Oh, so sorry to interrupt. So, some of them went silenced.
>> Yes. Yes. Some of them some of them eventually talked, I guess.
>> Okay. And how long has the government been in receipt of this biology and technology? Well, it seems to be they've been visiting us. Diana Walsh Pasula is a she studies the religious uh she's a uh she studies religion and she's wrote books on purgatory and uh um uh biblical stuff and um she's documented that we've been visited by them throughout history all the time constantly. Um but >> well she hasn't hang on she hasn't documented that because she can't right but she's theorized that >> yes yes it's true but in her book uh encounters or sorry American cosmic the one before that um she talks about uh she composits like eyewitnesses from like people that don't want to be um discovered or not have any ulterior motives and and also Preston Dennit on YouTube uh And this is a tangent, but Preston Denna on YouTube is a guy that uh documents all these open source cases and there's so many similarities between them that eventually they have to there's got to be some truth to it because there's so many similarities.
Um anyway, >> okay. So, let me let me ask you this.
Sorry. Let me ask you this. And I I just asked this from a epistemological standpoint or a sort of truth falsehood standpoint.
How would you know if this was not true?
Or to put it another way, what standard of disproof do you have for space aliens? And I'm not trying to lead you anywhere. I'm just I'm just curious. I I'm I'm always excited to hear about new thoughts and new ideas, and I think that's great.
>> But how would you know if this stuff wasn't true or >> what evidence or lack of evidence would you accept?
>> Right. Well, I don't think Well, I can't prove to you that anything's true, but what I do know is that human >> No, that's that Hang on. No, that's that's not true. I mean, you're talking to a philosophy guy, so you can certainly prove that some things. Go ahead. That's fine. [laughter] >> Um, okay. Hold on. Let me just compile my thoughts here. Okay. Uh, >> okay. Well, the the way I learn specifically is through stories and listening to other human beings stories.
That's the only way I learn. You know, it's not like I'm doing the calculus and the math and stuff or or writing the computer code. um or you know I have to trust people that they know what they're doing and know what they're saying. So I can only really get to know people and then listen to their stories. That's how human beings learn. That's how I learn.
Um >> did you trust the government? Sorry to interrupt. Did you trust the government over CO? Did you trust your government teachers?
>> No, definitely not.
>> Okay.
>> But they have their stories and they have their perspective and so on. So it's not just that you trust people and stories because there are some that you do trust and some that you don't which of is interesting. So, so help me understand how you differentiate these.
>> True. Okay. Totally. Uh, yeah. The government was telling a story, but it was a bad story and it was just full of lies and old people that were decrepit and looked awful and unhealthy and you wouldn't want to be them or have them counsel you and all their histories are all horrible. So, what why would they not still be doing horrible things?
>> Um, sorry. Sorry. Hang on. Hang on. I mean, I'm sure you don't mean that if somebody looks bad, you don't believe them.
>> Um, I'm saying that's Well, that's a huge component of for sure. Obviously, I would believe someone if they were more [clears throat] attractive than if it was an ugly guy talking to me, right?
But not really. I mean, otherwise that saying that people who are not attractive are excluded from the realm of human discourse and truth and philosophy and morality.
>> Yeah. I mean, that's not an ideal standard of truth, right? Which is like, I'm sorry, you're kind of crosseyed. I don't believe anything you say or you're bold or, you know, got a you got you got a funny nose, so you're off the list of philosophy. I mean, tell me a little bit more. I'm sure that's not your real standard. What do you mean?
>> Not exactly that. I just I guess I just mean like old >> Oh, you mean like health?
>> Like you don't take diet advice from fat people and the people that were talking to you about CO all look like on death's door or something like that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't I wouldn't even consider Peter Dinglish to be ugly.
Never mind. Whatever. Okay, let's let's move on.
>> Hey, don't get short with me. I'm just kidding. All right. Um, so what would be your standard of disproof? How would you what would what would lead you to thinking that this might not be the case?
>> Okay. Well, it would be like a reality shattering thing for me because um these are all people that I've built a long connection with like uh someone's laughing in the chat. Okay. Uh Joe Rogan.
>> Oh yeah, don't worry about the chat.
Don't worry about it. We're just talk talk you and I. Go ahead.
>> Okay. Uh I've been listening to Joe Rogan for let's say you know 500 750 hours more than that. And then Jesse Michaels and all these people they're like kind of it's a parasocial relationship for sure but uh it's a relationship nonetheless.
And if they were all to be being lied to or I uh their cur curation of information was subpar and it would just be a misjudge um misjudge of character on my part. I I but I couldn't really I couldn't pinpoint an exact uh thing that would prove or disprove because there's a lot of propaganda and there's a lot of intentional disinformation like the swamp gas thing uh Jen Heinik like they've been they've made the term UFO sound crazy like uh if you >> I don't know I don't know what the swamp I don't know what the swamp gas thing is again assume I know nothing. Oh, right.
So, right. Okay. So, um we were being visited in the 40s and 50s by craft and there were sightings over and over again and it all kicked off after the first detonation test of the atomic bomb uh the Trinity detonation site and then exactly 30 days later an egg-shaped craft landed at the Trinity site uh 2 km from where the bomb was detonated. Um Jacqu Valet talks about this. It's in his book and um he told Jesse on his podcast. Anyways, um where is I going with this? Okay. Okay. So, the Jay Allen Heinik thing, he was uh basically hired by I guess deep state tech aerospace guys, whatever, uh to be a disinformation agent or or I guess I should say from the intelligence agency, a disinformation agent um on the subject of UFOs. And then one of his stories was so ridiculous. It was like the couple was were if you read the testimony, they clearly describe like a crap in the sky that was glowing and it was moving at ridiculous speeds. And then he said, "Oh yeah, it's it's a trick of the light.
It's swamp gas. It's because your property is next to this methane filled swamp gas and it ignited and made something. It looked like a craft." But total [ __ ] Anyways, uh what are we talking about?
>> Oh, I was asking you what your standard of disproof was.
>> Oh, okay. No. No, and I get it. So, I I think I understand that. I mean, you're heavily invested and we're all heavily invested in our in our worldview, so I I have no no problem with that whatsoever.
Do you mind if I ask you some more personal questions?
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> Ah, you were a space alien. No, I'm just kidding. I mean, you could be. I don't know. But, >> no.
>> Tell me a little bit about your childhood.
>> Um, it was a really good childhood. My parents are German immigrants. Um, and they uh they just were great. Um, my dad was a uh like a business guy. Uh, my mom was a stay-at-home mom and uh it was a great normal childhood. It was just when video games were coming out, so I was playing a lot of video games.
>> Wait, you can't be that old.
>> Um, well, I mean the good video games.
It's when the good video games started coming out. That's when I was growing up as well.
>> Uh, and what decade of life are you in?
>> The past the before the third starts.
Before the third decade starts.
>> Okay. Mid late 20s. Okay. Now, do you have siblings?
>> Yeah.
>> And when did you first become interested in UFOs?
>> Um, probably three or five years ago.
Um, did you realize the personal uh line of questioning was a total dead end and boring? You want to talk about UFOs again?
>> No. No. I'm I'm I'm still I'm still curious. So, about 3 to 5 years ago. And what is it that first sparked your interest?
>> Yes. Okay. So, uh well, I listened to a lot of Joe Rogan and then he got me kind of thinking about the UFO stuff, but not really. I didn't care. But then the New York Times article in 2017, it was like it was like such a it was such a slap in the face to everyone that was being called crazy for the last like 30 40 years because I used to be the guy that was like like aliens are you crazy?
Like you're a weirdo. Why would I even listen to you? You're an insane person.
Without even realizing why I had that bias because it was programmed into me without me even knowing it, you know, since be living in this culture. And then um all of a sudden after being called crazy for forever all these people the the most official like journalist place ever New York Times prints this article uh in 2017 called the um the Tic Tac and it's a big long article about an official Pentagon report official Pentagon debriefing like yeah tic tac is real here's the video we don't know what it is >> sorry what is what is what is tic tac >> the tic tac it's just they're describing the UFO craft that um that they saw that was debuted in this New York Times article.
>> Okay. That that who saw I again assume I know nothing.
>> Okay. Okay. So, in 2017, uh, the Pentagon intentionally declassified and told the New York Times to publish this article. And the article was about um uh a 2006 sighting or 2008 sighting uh where Commander David Fraer uh off the coast of San Diego um uh witnessed th this craft with his teammates and they have full like instrumental coverage on this thing. Like they have the fleer uh radar detection system. They have eyes on it.
It's like moving around and it it starts to play with them like it starts to follow them when they try to circle it and it's like u and then it rockets off and they have all the video and audio this high quality data and um so they just published it and they said okay it's real and here's all the information that we have more but this is what we're showing you right now. So that's >> okay so sorry I'm a little confused because I thought they they killed people who revealed this information and then they just hand it over to the New York Times. Well, that's that's why it's so confusing. There seems to be a >> Oh, good. I'm glad it's not just me who's confused. Sorry. Go ahead.
>> Oh, man. I mean, yeah, this has been a crazy trip. Like, it started off with me wondering about the technology, you know, behind the UFOs, like, and the anti-gravity stuff could be really useful for us, right? And then it gets spiritual and weird so fast, like right away. But, uh, yeah, the the tic tac stuff is, um, pretty shocking. Okay. So, by the anti-gravity stuff, you mean that their craft >> appeared to be immune to the laws of inertia and momentum. They can turn on a dime at high speed and and we assume that the aliens don't go splat on the inside like you throw an egg against a wall or something, >> right?
>> Okay. So, first of all, the New York Times is absolute trash and garbage and evil, but that's a whole different story.
>> Public arm.
>> Oh, yeah. For sure. Okay. So, Joe Rogan talks about space aliens. to get interested in that. And then there's something in the New York Times. And why do you think it sparked your interest?
And again, your interest is no problem.
I mean, I've put 40,000 hours into philosophy, so I've got no problem with people's uh crazy focused interest, but what do you think got you so interested?
>> Well, I Well, I'm interested in the uh like what's going on here? Like, isn't that what we're all interested in? And I assume that if there's something cuz the universe is so big and if there's something out there, it's probably really smart cuz it's just by the fact that it's old and it's lasted this long.
It's survived entropy this long, it's got to be smart. Uh so it's smart and it's old and it can probably tell us more about what's going on here on in our existence like what is going like uh I don't know just the bigger questions not just the dayto-day >> bigger questions like the meaning of life or good and evil or things like that whether there's a god do you mean things like that >> exactly and the nature of experience and like what this is all about. Okay. So, the space aliens could answer philosophical questions for us. Is that or theological questions as well, right?
>> Yeah, I guess so.
>> Well, no, I'm I'm not trying to uh tell tell you what you think. I'm just curious why you're so interested. And this the fact that I'm asking why you're interested again is no disrespect to your beliefs, but I'm curious why you're so interested in uh space aliens.
Oh, okay. Okay. So, it's like I if I go far and out far enough out into space, I just I find it was within me.
>> No, no, no. I'm not trying to disprove your your perspective.
>> Look, if if you said, you know, the first time I saw someone play violin, I then put 10,000 hours into learning violin, I'd say, oh, well, what was so interesting to you at the beginning? Or it's just a getting to know you kind of question. It's not a disprove question, >> right? Um well the technology seems so okay well for the last 60 years definitely for the amount of time that I've been alive there's been no improvements in the physical reality of technology like a little bit but it's been mostly with computers that's the big innovation sector area right it's we've never made a big progress with physics and uh even the progress quote unquote that's been happening in the universities the last 80 years has been like completely fruitless. They It's called string theory, right? And it's done nothing for anyone. And it's >> No, are you kidding me? It's It's gotten people hundreds of billions of dollars or hundreds of millions of dollars in funding. I remember reading about I remember reading about string theory back in the 80s and I I gave up on it after a couple of years because I'm like, God, this this isn't going to I don't want to say, well, this isn't going to lead anywhere. like I knew I just got a real sense of the futility of it all and now it is you know 40 plus years later and it's all still largely nonsense and theoretical and unproven and unreproducible and of course there's been these huge replication crises in government science and all of that where you know sometimes a third sometimes a half sometimes more of experiments can't even be reproduced. It's absolutely appalling how much and how brutally and in what a sociopathic manner they have stolen massive amounts of money from the taxpayers and appear to have zero [ __ ] conscience about it at all.
>> Yeah. And it's a basically a child sacrificing factory where you go in and get mind raped and then you [laughter] leave or something.
>> Yeah. Your kids can't have a future because you're like dinking around and summoning demons with a [ __ ] electro electron collider. So >> yeah.
>> Okay. So how's your life going as a whole? uh work and love the two uh big things in general.
>> Okay. Yeah. Can I just finish with the uh one more thing with the physics thing?
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. Um yeah, the other part that it's interesting is that uh so we haven't had uh advancements in physics and we have had no reproducible experiments with the string theory [ __ ] But on Jesse Michael's program, he interviewed the guy, a guy, this guy was the head of electrostatics at NASA currently. Um, and he talked to him for 3 hours and he got him to cross interview Bob Lazar in another episode, which was crazy. and they get really into the physics and stuff, but um in uh um but in this uh episode uh Jesse reveals that um uh I forget his name, but he's the head of electrostatics at NASA. He's done 2,000 experiments of varying configurations to test this electrogravitic technology, and it's already like a real thing. like Joe Rogan um had two CEOs on about this stuff, but um CEOs of companies that are implementing like the Casemir effect and uh >> yeah, I don't I don't know. You you again you're you're assuming I know things that you don't. So people who are trying to raise investment or sell a product went on Joe Rogan and said the product worked if you've never heard of therronos, >> right? Right. I guess so. I guess so.
It's just that um it could be all considered Oh, well, I guess if Well, imagine if these companies engineered like some type of UFO propaganda thing.
They'd make so much money, >> but it's too big to >> hang on. So, we we No, no, listen. I'm interrupting you. It's it's I apologize to you, but let me let me sort of understand this as a whole. So, they're not from this solar system, right?
because it seems unlikely that any other planet on the solar system would be able to develop intelligent life. Is that fair to say? Well, this is it gets weird immediately because yes, they they seem to be using these anti-gravity crafts and inertia changing uh engines in atmosphere and they're doing 5,000g turns, but that still doesn't explain how you travel further and uh what what type of effects that has when you're um when you're moving at those speeds like what what happens to everything else around you because you can't even if you're stuck.
>> Hang on, hang on. Hang on. Hang on. What was my question?
>> Oh, wait. Sorry. Um, >> we got to do this thing where we listen to each other, right? Otherwise, it's not much of a >> combo. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
My bad. Uh, what was the question?
Uh, what's interesting about the physics?
Uh, oh, okay. If they're coming from our solar system, our solar system.
>> There you go.
>> Yeah. Um, okay. Well, there are a bunch of um eyewitness accounts from Preston and Dennit where there have been cases where the U aliens tell them they're from Venus or they're from Mars and um they basically seem to be living in all the planets. Um even >> No, no, but sorry. Did did they evolve?
>> They didn't evolve >> in our solar system. Is that fair to say? Well, >> I mean, Venus has acid for air and Mars is very far from the sun. It has a very thin atmosphere. And of course, we photographed a lot of Mars. There's no cities, no roads, no nothing like that, right? So, where where are they coming from? Are they coming from our solar system or another solar system?
>> Where where they originally began, that's really like panspermia or something like that. I don't know. But uh I'm sorry, what was that? Panspermy.
>> Panspermia.
>> Panspermia.
I don't know what that is. Am I saying that right?
>> I don't know. [laughter] >> I don't even know what the word means, so I can't tell you I'm pronouncing it right.
>> No, it's it's um it's the origin of all life on Earth being seated from like an asteroid at the conception of like Earth's crust or something. Then asteroid hit with like a amieba and it just >> Okay, but we're talking about space aliens, not from our world. So, I'm asking uh is it is the general belief that they are from another planet in the solar system or are they from another solar system in the galaxy? Well, if you're on level one of alien, you would say, "Yeah, they're coming from other planets and other star systems." But level two is that like they go >> I don't I don't know what these levels mean. Bro, you got to down for me. I don't know what level one level two means.
>> Well, I just made up the levels as well.
But let's say you're in your first >> Okay, I'm not asking. What do you think?
>> Oh, okay. Well, again, we don't even know what this is that we're in right now. like this three dimension stuff like I don't know uh but there's >> okay what is what is threedimension stuff >> well you know this reality that we inhabit I don't even know what um >> you're not trolling me are you you're not you're not trolling me >> you might be trolling me right >> I mean it's a pretty simple question do you think do you think space aliens have evolved in our solar system or have come from another solar system >> okay um I don't know Okay, it seems extremely unlikely that they have evolved in our solar system. We're the only planet that is in the Goldilock zone, right? Not too warm, not too cold.
We've got water. We have a breathable atmosphere which isn't full acid and so on, right? And of course, we've been to a whole bunch of the other planets on the solar system. We've flown by. We've got heat signatures, electromagnetic readings. We've landed, I think the Russians landed on Venus and we've landed on Mars. We've flown past Jupiter and the moons and Uranus and Neptune and so on. So, it's I consider it functionally impossible that a highly advanced civilization has evolved in our solar system and we've just completely missed it somehow. Which means that they have to have come from another star system.
Now, what are the barriers to traveling between the stars? What are the challenges >> without magic? Like you can't just introduce wormholes or warp drives or faster than light. Like the the actual physical challenges of all the physics that we know, which of course is not all physics, >> but what are the challenges of traveling between star systems?
>> Okay. Well, I got to I got to say something.
>> Okay. No, no, I would really like it if you would answer the question if you don't mind.
>> Okay.
>> Then you can then you can have your thing. But at least don't have me ask a question then go off on a tangent, right? Uh and you can if you can answer the question then we can do the other other topic. But >> yeah. Yeah. I I want to say something that was a setup to I'm really going to answer that question hard right now.
>> Um >> sure.
>> Okay. So the it's like Eric Weinstein says and this is what he said. It's not Eric Weinstein is a physicist and he's really smart and he goes on Joe Rogan a lot and he talks about physics and he's got his own theory of everything whatever. Uh uh so Eric Weinstein says that you shouldn't be uh making uh like to leave Earth you shouldn't be making rocket ships, you should be getting whiteboards. Um so even even you so you said uh what are the physical constraints to travel from another star system to get here and we just don't even know physics like we just discovered physics like when we woke up like 500 600 years ago or something you know like uh we need to probably be advancing physics and that's probably you know the threebody problem and what's been going on with string theory that's probably some intention towards that like some type of control mechanism to prevent us from um chimp giving out uh so to speak uh on a human scale, you know, with this technology that's extremely overpowered and we should not be able to wield if we're still like barbarians.
So, >> okay. So, what are the physical challenges based on current knowledge of physics of traveling between the stars?
You said you were going to lead me into that question and then Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah. Okay.
>> So, please please try and try and remain true to your word. Go on.
>> Got it. Got it. So current um challenges I guess well I don't know anything about space or nothing but I'd probably say distance and like radiation um and uh oh yeah radiation for sure like everything would just die like a human being.
>> Yeah. So I mean just off the top of my head I'm not much of an expert either but the distances are almost beyond comprehension. So the fastest human beings have gone is like 8,000 miles an hour. At that rate, it takes 75,000 years to get to the closest star system. And of course, as you accelerate faster and faster, more and more of the energy you use to accelerate gets turned into mass. So, you can't get close to the speed of light. Even of course, the speed of light, it's over four years to the closest star, but you can't get to the speed of light. The problem of course is the radiation that is out there in the midst of space is extraordinary because they don't have the Van Allen belt or whatever it is that shields us from that >> radiation on Earth. And if you were to build a strong enough hull to shield human beings from the radiation, then you have a spaceship that's so big that the moment you start picking up any particular speed, then every bit of matter out there in interstellar space acts as a bullet and and cuts right through your ship. So travel between the stars without magic without magic. And magic is not an answer to things. Now we can say ah yes but you know the the people in the 15th century could not imagine an airplane. It's like sure they could because an airplane is not magic right so you would be able to explain to them an airplane and the airplane would fall into the general purvey of the physics that they know and so airplanes aren't magic. They don't disappear and reappear like wormholes or or warp speed or faster than light travel and so on.
And so nothing that we build on in physics can deny the existing physics that we have. Right? So Einsteinian physics does not deny or overturn Newtonian physics. It just refineses it in the edge cases of extremely fast speed and so on. And they've verified Einsteinian physics. They've had a airplane with an atomic clock go around really really fast and they in fact lost a tiny second tiny slice of a second and so on. So travel between the stars is according to all the understanding that we have of physics. Now new understandings of physics cannot overturn what we already know to be true. So you can't have a theory of gravity that says gravity doesn't exist.
Right? You can't have a theory of in order for object to go from ab to b it has to traverse the intermediate distance. You can't just have something wink out from one area and wink into another area because that would be movement without crossing an intervening space. And so it's it's a fun sort of magic idea and everyone who writes science fiction has to come up with magic in order to make that science fiction >> acceptable or believable. So then the question is how do they uh get here?
Well, it will be you know at least I would imagine you know thousands of years of travel to get here. And the other thing too is that how would they develop the technology to get here if they weren't a free market society because it is a free market that develops this kind of technology. Now if it's a free market society then they would come here and they would see us groaning under the authority and power of giant coercive governments and out of moral sympathy they would free us I think from all of this sort of stuff in the same way that if we went to uh some other uh planet and we saw a bunch of slaves being controlled and and of course we would be anti-slavery cuz slavery is immoral. we would probably do something to help that out. So, what we wouldn't do is we wouldn't go and collude only with the slave owners, right? We we we wouldn't go and just collude with some of the most corrupt and immoral people on the planet, which would be people at the top of Sorry, why is this funny? I'm not sure why you keep laughing.
>> No, you're totally right. I mean, it's incredible that they would uh like like all these stories that you're or these explanations that you're giving seem incredulous because that's like what we're supposed to believe. But I think Okay, sorry. Continue. Can I say something?
>> Uh, go ahead.
>> Okay. Uh, but I think I think the reality of the situation is like way stranger than is even going to be known.
Like the the this soft disclosure stuff that Trump just did today is going to be like a small trickle. It's going to be a trickle for everybody.
>> Sorry. I mean, just just saying this stuff is going to be strange. This is not an argument, right? I'm I'm trying to lay out a case here that I think is is helpful. So, you only get the kind of incredibly advanced technology that would requ be required to travel between the stars from a free market society.
And a free market society would not collude with governments. an anarchco capitalist society which again is the only society that's ever having having a chance to develop these things. They would only they would never collude with oligarchical hierarchies in the same way that you know when the Europeans came across the Aztecs who were cutting the living hearts out of children uh to sacrifice to their god they didn't collude with the Aztec leadership right in fact they together with the surrounding tribes they destroyed the Aztec leadership so they would uh collude with evil. Uh if they are space aliens, they're here because they have a moral society, a free society, and they're not just going to collude with evildoers at the top levels of government. Now, if they have the kind of technology that allows them to go between the stars, which is functionally impossible, right? By all known laws of physics, it is functionally impossible to go between the stars unless you want to spend 10,000 years. Now you say, "Well, what about cyber sleep or cryosleep or something like that?" Okay.
Well, I mean, what happens when you don't use your muscles for 10,000 years? You just turn into soup, right? So, I mean, well, they could do electrical stimulus and blah blah blah. And it's like, yeah, well, then you're stimulating the muscles, which means they're subject to time, which means they're going to wither and die as the cells reproduce. So, so anyway, I mean, there's just there's a whole bunch of and and who's going to want to go for 10,000 years to some other star system? They would you wouldn't even know if there'd be a world when you came back. I mean, people just in general wouldn't do that as a whole.
So, I'm just saying that the odds of there being space aliens that come from other planets include with governments is zero. Absolutely zero. Now, the other thing, the last thing I'll say is that either they want to be seen or they don't want to be seen. Right? Those are really the only the only two possibilities. Now, if they have such astounding technology, then they would have the technology to not be seen.
Like, you wouldn't have the technology to travel, you know, a dozen light years or 50 light years or whatever it is, cuz it's unlikely that intelligent life would arise in the closest star system.
It could happen, but it's unlikely. So they would have the most astounding technology and it's a little confusing because if they want to be seen then they would just land in front of TV cameras and interact with everyone and so on, right? Which they're not doing.
So they, you know, the idea is that they don't want to be seen. Well, if they don't want to be seen, then how come, you know, 100,000 people around the world claim to have seen them? And almost all of those people are in the United States, by the way. Like why would they only focus on the United States? If you've seen those maps of USO UFO sightings, it's almost all in the United uh states.
So, if they want to be seen, they're doing a bad job. It would be very easy for them to be to be seen. And if they don't want to be seen, they're also doing a bad job because people are able to see them. And the last thing that I'll say, cuz I I got kind of into UFOs when I was in the uh in the 70s. I know that sounds like, you know, great-grandfather's age, back in the dawn of human existence, you know, when when the the standard Kubric apes were throwing things around, but uh sort of back in the day, there was this belief that there were, you know, potentially these space aliens and spaceships and all of that. Spacecraft floating around kind of came out with Close Encounters was a movie from from back then. And I remember thinking at the time, man, you know, the only way this question is going to be answered is if everyone somehow ends up with highdeinition cameras on them at all times. And lo and behold, you know, for the last uh 10, 15, you know, depending on how you count it, let's say 15 years, just about everyone on the planet, well, a lot of people on the planet, you know, billions of people on the planet have highde cameras in their pockets.
And I know that there's some blurry footage and there's some shake shaky cam stuff here and there. But if they if they end up being seen even against their will, then the problem is of course why aren't a thousand people all videoing, which they all would. I mean, people video their freaking food.
They would certainly certainly video space aliens rocketing by. Then why don't we have an example of you know a 10 100 a thousand cell phone footage which we could then use to reconstruct in perfect 3D and you know AI would not be really an issue with that because there would be so many different angles and you could really check the light reflections and all of that. So why is it that we don't have that kind of stuff? That would be uh kind of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Even though there are billions of people with high definitionition cameras who, you know, can if you've ever seen a a woman whip out a camera for an appropriate selfie, it's like watching Doc Holiday in a fast draw competition in the Wild West, you know, they got their selfie up and and all that recording goes. So, I think it is not true. And, you know, I'm not saying I know for sure. I mean, but to me, it's in the kind of, well, yeah, I guess anything's possible, but on the base of things, given that you can't travel between stars, given that they're not going to collude with human governments, given that they didn't arise in our solar system and all the other issues, I I don't think it's true. I'm just making my case. Obviously, you know, everybody has to come to their own decisions, but that would be my thoughts.
>> Okay. Well, well, I would say that would Okay. Thank you for laying both those things out. why aren't they coming here and why would they collude with the craziest people? But I think in this case that's a totally that would be the institutional like um uh orthodox take like that's tradition that's the traditional take. Um >> okay so don't don't start off with an insult bro have have I insulted you?
Oh, sorry. Sorry. [laughter] >> Institutional, orthodox, normie, NPC, blah, blah, blah. Come on. I mean, yeah, you basically don't don't start no don't don't start don't start off with an insult. That's that's not reasonable.
I've not insulted anything to do with you. I've been very very respectful, haven't I? So, why are you calling a boring institutional blah blah blah, right? I mean, just deal with just deal with the arguments. Just deal with the arguments rather than insulting them because that's bad faith debating, right?
>> Yep. Sorry. Um yeah uh I think in this case so why aren't they coming from uh other star systems? Uh well maybe uh a little bit of magic is actually the orthodox take like it it's the logical thing to assume because if okay let's say we had science for 500 years look where it's gotten us.
Just take us you know and move it along a thousand 3,000 years and find out where we'll be. That's magic. And that is like built into the function of science like science is a type of religion that we discovered to make magic like kind of come down to earth or something. Um so uh we have this magic built in and it's you know Carl Jung says all of reality was once fantasy which I think is interesting um in this case and uh okay so for the next part you said why are they colluding with um uh the craziest people and why would they respect our laws and why would they uh abduct certain people and then not abduct others and then uh be here but like in a fleeting kind of failed way like they're hinting at us or something.
Um, I think we're probably uh if you ever seen the telepathy tapes, which is a podcast that came out and Joe Rogan talked about a lot. Jesse Michaels had the uh um the telepathy tapes producer um Kate something no Kai Dickens uh she's the she made telepathy tapes and it's about children who are telepathic uh non-verbal autistic children specifically have have the have this possibility they're more likely to have this telepathic thing but they communicate perfectly they have a perfect 100% conscious connection with their mother it's a 10-p part series on YouTube it was the number one podcast in the world I think beating Joe Rogan for a couple months. This was like groundbreaking shocking information. Um, and then you know all this stuff about Stargate programs like it's there. So what I'm saying is here's the point. The Stargate program um you know remote viewing um uh if we are not able to see them, we're probably not worth interacting. Um because >> hang on, hang on. Sorry. I mean the telepathy is is [ __ ] And I'm sorry I'm I'm just sorry to tell you and we know telepathy is [ __ ] because it is the transfer of information without any intermediate movement of matter or energy. And so telepathy is [ __ ] And the other thing too is that if human beings had the ability to read minds that would be so positively selected for an evolution that it would immediately like within a generation or two would have driven out all other forms of communication. Because you can imagine an army that can uh can can talk telepathy telepathically to each other or hunters that could be telepathic with each other. So telepathy absolutely violates all the known laws of physics and we know it's not true because it would have been the dominant form of human communication.
>> Well, the moment that it evolved.
>> Yes. And I don't I'm not insulting you.
Don't take this as an insult.
Disclaimer, red alert. This is not an insult. But that would be the traditional orthodox take that um to >> Yeah, but you don't you don't just get to wave off arguments by calling them traditional and orthodox.
>> No, no, I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done. Okay.
>> No, but you got you can't start again.
You're not listening. You can't start with insults and then go from there because it's called poisoning the well, right? So, it's saying, "Well, you're wrong and and you're close-minded and you're traditional and you're orthodox and and it's all just these insults, right?" And it tells me that you don't believe your own arguments >> because if you believed your own arguments, you wouldn't need to insult me. Now, I did say telepathy was [ __ ] I didn't say you were an idiot. I was saying telepathy is [ __ ] And I gave you sort of the reasons for it. And this, you know, from there was a a guy um who had a million dollar prize. The amazing Randy had a million dollar prize for decades. Nobody was able to claim it with any kind of telepathy. So, it's it's not true. It's it's it's fun. It's a fun idea. It's an interesting and cool idea. And we have very deep instincts for understanding people. You know, if you've ever had bad dreams about someone who turns out to be a bad person when you didn't think they were a bad person, we have very deep instincts for these kinds of things. But we cannot exchange thoughts without any intermediate movement of matter and energy. That would be instantaneous transfer of consciousness with no matter and energy transfer. That's not something that that that is real or can happen according to all the known laws of physics. And the last thing I'll say is >> we can't just say that in the future physics will be the opposite of physics.
Like all physics builds upon direct sense experience, direct sense data. We can't say that in the future down the road the exact opposite of physics will be physics. That that makes no sense because we also know that physics has to be absolutely stable and the properties of matter and energy have to be absolutely stable because if they weren't life could never have evolved over the last 4 billion years. So the absolute stability of matter and energy is the foundation of physics and you can't just say well in the future we'll be able to violate those at will. That's just not how these things work. Sorry.
Go ahead.
>> Yeah. Uh yeah. Um again sorry I didn't mean about the uh orthodox. I was just saying that um you you would say telepathy would be selected for by evolution where um where we don't even know if that's exactly where we came from or if we were like genetically tweaked. But you know, I'll get I'll give it to you 100%. Uh TC could be [ __ ] except for the fact that um uh they did have that Stargate program and that certainly was not the um whole iceberg. I would say it was maybe the top little portion of the iceberg, maybe the tip of the iceberg. Um because they used it to remote view Russian remote viewers and they were having like this psychic war apparently. Um >> I'm sorry. And and who is the government telling you this?
>> Um well, no, I just picked up from podcast like you know.
>> No, no, but they have to have gotten their information from somewhere, right?
They didn't just make it up. At least I hope not. Yeah.
>> So they got this stuff from the government.
>> It was a government program to do this remote viewing stuff with the Russians.
Is that right?
>> Yes. Yes. The the front-facing Stargate one. Yeah. That's a public note about >> Okay. So the government has told people that they have an army of psychic warriors battling the Russians.
>> Uh not not the government saying psychic warriors. The psychic warriors part I picked that up from podcasts. But the >> No, but the podcasts get their information from somewhere, right? So there was a secret government program according to the government. There was a secret government program of psychic warriors battling the Russians.
>> Yeah. Probably from whistleblowers um from the but not officially. What the government officially said is that the Stargate program is a real thing. And they taught their CIA officers how to prevent alien abduction. It's called halletropic breathing. It's like a thing you do that will prevent like aliens coming to Also you can say you can say Jesus protect me.
You know that people in power and authority are pathological liars.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. You've got the witch doctor who says, "Oh, give me uh 10,000 bucks a month and I'll do a rain dance for you and make sure you get good rain for your crops." We have people who are religious authorities who claim that there are all of these kinds of miracles and so on.
And you know, every leader tells their people, "God is on our side. You're the best. Everyone else is bad." I mean, the people in power are pathological liars.
So, we know, of course, that the CIA was on a staggered basis releasing information about the JFK assassination in order to waste people's time and to get all of these people stampeding into this uh field where nothing was really going to change and and they manipulate the public by releasing uh information in a strategic way to waste people's time and to take people's energy away from, you know, actual change in the world to keep running like off a cliff uh in pursuit of things that can never be proven. So, governments are very good at lying and manipulating and controlling people. They've been doing it for, you know, authority has been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years. They're very well tuned into this kind of stuff. So, any information that comes from the government that goes counter to reason and evidence. I'm not sure why you would believe it, but I certainly wouldn't.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Didn't answer how the rest of your life is going. Love and work.
>> Right. Right. cuz I want I want to make a case after this, >> but I want to get some information first.
>> Yes. My life is hard and that's why I like aliens. It's my escape. Are you happy? Is that what you came for, [laughter] Stephen?
>> So, you you don't want to answer that, right?
>> Oh, yeah. Sure. Uh, yeah. You know, it's tough. I live in um well, let's say some place that communism is about to start.
Okay. And it's bad here. Well, it's tough to narrow that down.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. What's going on?
Where do I even go? Like, where can I even escape to? I don't know. But yeah, the job situation is like tough. Food is extremely expensive. Everyone has like um you know, white color.
>> I don't know where I don't know where the laughter is coming from. I mean, you're talking about some pretty negative situations, right?
>> I guess so. The only time I've ever heard negative information that has come packaged to me is like through like humorous sitcoms. Maybe it's like maybe I'm damaged some. I'm sorry. I'll knock that off. Um, okay. Uh, what's your dating history like?
>> Um, sparse.
>> When did you last have a girlfriend?
>> Uh, last summer.
>> For how long?
>> Like four or five months. The whole summer.
>> All right. And how many girlfriends have you had?
uh like 12 or upwards of 12. Yeah.
>> And what's the longest relationship?
>> Two years or a year and a half.
>> Okay. And are you currently employed?
>> Yes, I'm a concrete restoration man.
>> Okay. And do you have job care job and career prospects that could lead you towards supporting a family?
No. No.
>> And do you want to get married and have kids?
>> Uh, not particularly.
>> Why do you think? That's not the default setting for humanity, right? Why do you think you don't?
>> Um, probably some like generational long anti-natalism campaign that's been thrown upon me.
Well, I mean, if you can if you can cut through all of the propaganda about UFOs to get to the truth, then you can certainly cut through the antiatalist stuff, right? [laughter] >> Yeah.
Yeah.
>> I mean, you can't you can't believe in space aliens, but not believe in the future of human reproduction for yourself, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. it. Well, it is interesting because the aliens that we do see, Michael Masters says that um and this is why the alien thing is so interesting to me because, you know, it's just like how you said at the beginning. I guess it does kind of reflect, you know, what I'm interested in. Um but the the ali the aliens do all seem to be, you know, lacking pigmentation. They have all the exaggerated features that um that humans have to apes like the domestication process still continues from like uh um uh from where we are. So our heads continue to get bigger, our arms longer, fingers longer, skinnier and weaker. And they there there's all these stories about um the deals made with that uh President Eisenhower. Um the Are you going to do that thing again where you tell me what ask me what the question was again? Am I doing that thing again?
>> Well, what was my question?
>> [ __ ] I forgot.
>> Right. Do you spend a lot of time on social media?
>> Uh no. Uh Twitter, I guess a little bit.
>> Well, that's social media. Yeah, because I mean this is sort of a I hate to be annoying older guy. This kind of a young person thing where you all tend to receive information or conversation as a chance to go off on tangents rather than actually have a conversation and answer questions. But I don't want to nag you about that. Okay, let me let me ask you this as a final question and listen, I really appreciate the conversation. It's it's it's really interesting to to look into this world and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention and the attention of the listeners. Now, if someone were to come up to me and say, "Steph, >> what are the downsides to philosophy?" And it's funny, you don't know my history with Joe Rogan. I was on his show three times, and the third time he totally cucked out, bitched out, and backstabbed me with a ambush. So, you know, I'm not I'm not a fan. Yeah, he was a total [ __ ] about things. But anyway, that's fine. No, it's you wouldn't know that. There's no reason. And it's long ago now. It doesn't matter now. But >> right, >> if somebody were to say to me, "What are the downsides of philosophy?" I would I won't do this whole speech now because, you know, you want to make it into your 40s without still listening to me. But at least in one in one go. But I would say, you know, the the downsides of philosophy is you spread virtue, you spread truth, you spread reason, you spread evidence, and you come full into collision with people who make their money from lying and propaganda, and they hate your guts and will try to destroy you. And there's been a lot of that over the course of sort of the 40 plus years I've been involved in philosophy. So, I would say, look, there's some upsides. I mean, great upsides. I have a wonderful marriage. I have a great relationship with family and friends and I certainly have no doubt about the meaning and value of what it is that I'm doing in the world.
So there's lots of really good juicy positive plus plus but there's some downsides as well. Now you find UFOs fun and interesting, fascinating, I would say thousand hours plus and all of that.
Now what are the downsides of believing in this? What are the negatives?
Oh, [clears throat] well, I can tell you some of them. Uh, people just don't want to talk to you anymore. Um, yeah, because it's so important to you and it's not important to them at all.
Like, they don't even see why it would be interesting to you. And I'm like, it's kind of like the it's one of the questions. Like, it's got to be up there with the top two or three of the top ultimate questions, you know? Um, >> you mean is there life in the universe other than human?
>> Right. And what happens? There absolutely is that there there Listen, I'm I'm space aliens absolutely exist.
>> 100 billion stars in a 100 billion galaxies. There's no way we're the only life. There's there's absolutely no chance we are the only life whatsoever.
But to me, it's kind of like in the dark ages, you know, when they only had little little boats and all of that and it's like is could there be other continents with other life? Well, sure, but we can't get there >> cuz we got little rowboats and [ __ ] right? we we can't row across the Atlantic or the Pacific like we can't get there until the 16th century vessels the Santa Maria and so on until the bigger vessels came along there was just and also you needed actually needed to invent the math that allowed people to have insurance because you had to have insurance for these vessels so or or you know I don't know exactly when you would go back you could go back to like I don't know prehistoric times you could go back to Neolithic times or you know you you could be some Neanderl or whatever right And is are there other continents with other life forms? Well, yeah, but we can't get there. We can theorize, but we can't get there. And the same is true with other star systems. We can theorize. We know for sure. I mean, just mathematically, there's zero chance. We we can see other MCAST class planets through our telescopes. We know that there are other planets out there in the solar system, out there in the universe that are in the Goldilock zone. And maybe they're a little bigger than Earth and you know, whatever it is, right? We know that there are planets big enough to hang on to an atmosphere, that they're in the Goldilock zone. We can detect traces, I think, of of ammonia and water. I don't think that they've got quite the carbon signatures that they would like obviously like like to find for life, but there's no question whatsoever that even if it was one in a million, there are billions of other life forms out there in the universe.
So, I you and I, I'm sure, on the same page as far as that goes. Have they come here and kind of half appeared and not appeared and only appeared to governments and only worked with governments and only colluded with governments, but there's no evidence even though people have all of these cell phone videos and even though it's physically impossible to get here. Well, that that I don't believe. I don't accept. So, the downside, people don't want to talk to you. What else?
Um it takes uh it distracts you from your uh earthly life like the things that you could be doing to better yourself like getting fit or uh trying to become more useful to people to in order to make more money or um >> and the answer is beyond your capacity to penetrate. You can't figure out the truth.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And that's why that's why I asked earlier and I say this with great sympathy and and no disrespect at all but >> yeah yeah >> that's why I asked earlier what would be a standard of disproof you cannot you cannot prove or disprove this you have to rely on what other people say and I personally I really really like to stay away from things I have to believe or not believe based upon what other people say other people are crazy other people hallucinate other people have psychotic episodes other people have hallucinations. Other people have epileptic seizures that give them visions. Other people are professional liars who want to sell books or who want to sell magazines or who want to sell I actually have like one of my on my little study upstairs. I have a big monitor and on the base of it is a UFO magazine underneath that someone gave me many years ago at at at some libertarian conference and I at least I can use it to make sure that my monitor doesn't scratch my desk or whatever, right? So it has some value but I don't want to rely on people because people uh generally lie uh as a whole and when there's self motivation and money and prestige and status and when people have set up their whole career to talk about this kind of stuff and they don't get hit with the hard questions and they have magic as their answer. It's not worth it to me. And and my concern is that this is a form of mysticism. It's mysticism with a scientific veneer, but it is a form of mysticism that space aliens are just another kind of angels and devils. And the problem with mysticism is it isolates you. It means you're alone with your ideas or you can only be around other people who already agree with you, which is also kind of isolating because we need the resistance. We need shafing against our ideas and arguments in order to get closer to the truth, which is a very hard thing for the human mind to get a hold of. We were born out of fantasy. We were born out of delusion. We were born out of madness really and fighting our way to sanity, reason, evidence which is we can only meet in reality. We can only connect in what is true and what is real and fantasy and mysticism and the unproven and the speculative that is accepted as true isolates you because you can only really connect with people who already agree with you. And that's not particularly healthy. Plus, if you ever do want to get married and have kids, and I hope you do because obviously you're very thoughtful and intelligent young man, UFO land is a total sausage fest. Mind how many how many chicks are around? [laughter] Like seriously, it's like some sterility mechanism, you know?
>> You might as well join the laing union.
[laughter] >> Look for babes. All right, listen. I appreciate the call. I've got a lot of I got a bunch of callers. I really do appreciate the call. And let us move on to let's go to somebody new. Lorraine.
Lorraine, if you want to. Thank you for your patience. If you want to unmute, I'm I'm all yours.
>> Um I agree with you. I think we're all born out of this like cauldron of fire. Um we are just on the earth. I'm a mother of three, by the way. And um with this just [clears throat] it it's >> all right. Are we still with this?
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry to it. I touched the uh phone with my ear, but um I'm a mom of three, three boys. And I believe that that was my job on earth to bring children forth.
That's my job.
I'm sorry. I'm a little confused. Do you have your job is to bring children? Did I Did I get that?
>> Yeah, I'm I'm a I'm a female.
>> Yes, I got that.
>> Three boys.
>> I three boys to this day and that was my job. Even if I wrote a female as well.
That's my job. Plus, I'm an I'm a being as well.
>> Okay. Sorry. Do you do you have a question? Do you have a question or a comment? because I'm not sure how to participate in this conversation as yet.
Okay, hang on. Let me let me let me finish talking.
>> I'm not sure how to participate in this conversation as yet. So, if you could give me a question or a comment I could participate in, I would appreciate that.
>> Yeah. My my question is, what do you think of the Trump disclosure about UFO?
The UFO nonsense? That's my thing. Nonsense.
>> Well, I don't know. I mean, I think that governments have taken a lot of credibility blows lately and looking at the we're all in the shadow of the Epstein files and and I think it's really hard to overestimate just what an impact that has had particularly on the young. When I was younger, I thought government was, you know, bad or incompetent or, you know, they were kind of power- hungry. Or maybe at the most I thought that, you know, that the people who have a lot of political power, maybe they're kind of evil, you know, like they they they go into debt, they lie to people, they propagandize, they start wars and and lie and and it's like, okay, but to me, that's just sort of ordinary run-of-the-mill human evil writ large, you know? It's like evil plus evil plus >> I get it.
>> Bad things. And but but with the Epstein stuff, there is a satanic undercurrent of predation and destruction. Not for the sake of Okay, hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Let me finish my thoughts. You asked me a question. Let me finish my thoughts.
>> I'm sorry.
>> Just don't blurt out.
>> Don't blurt out.
>> Yeah, on Epstein. So in the past I thought and I think a lot of people thought because I've talked to a lot of people about policy over the years in the past I thought that people wanted power because they wanted money uh they wanted security they wanted to dominate people and so on but I think with the Epstein stuff which I've been tracking for I mean 10 10 years plus now I've done interviews with people in the past like 2015 2016 about this kind of stuff. So with the Epste files coming out, I think what people are understanding is that people, a lot of people want power for the sake of destroying souls, for the sake of assaulting innocent children in the worst conceivable ways and ways which the normal human mind can't even comprehend just how evil it all is. So it's not just for money and it's not just for power and it's not just for dominance and it's not just for control. These things would be in the normal realm of human desires but gone really bad. Like all human beings want to have a sense of power and control and authority and and so on and maybe even dominance or whatever. You if you're in a sport, you want to win, you want to dominate the other player and so on.
So, I always sort of thought that, hang on, I almost thought that that political power was normal human desires rendered pathological by the addition of coercion of government power and lack of responsibility and lack of limits, right? You can type whatever you want into your own bank account, that kind of stuff.
>> So, I thought it was I thought it was greed. I mean, I don't know why you can't listen. Let me finish.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS I THOUGHT IT WAS I'll mute you. I just I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. How do we do this?
How do we do this? How do we do this?
When I ask you to let me finish when I ask you to let me finish my thoughts.
>> When I ask you to let me finish my thoughts and you don't and you don't >> I don't I don't know. It's bizarre to me. Uh anyway, I will have to I will have to remove her.
>> Yeah. I I don't know why it is that.
Again, this is sort of back to how people have a conversation. You ask me a question, I'm trying to provide an answer. She keeps barking in my ear. So, sorry. Just just don't do that. I mean just as a whole and unless I'm getting something egregiously wrong then of course you're welcome to interrupt me and set me straight. If I say two and two make five or if I misrepresent your position absolutely interrupt me. I don't want to get things wrong. So to finish my point, I think a lot of people, myself included, thought that the corruption of power was taking in a sense relatively normal and healthy human desires and then rendering them pathological or cancerous through the addition of near infinite political power. And that is not the way that it is. And the Epstein files, I think, has relieved that has sorry, has revealed that to people as a whole. The Epstein files have revealed that there's a class of predatory elites that have power to in order to destroy human beings. And not just through war, which is awful, but a different category from this sort of child assault of sexuality or whatever you want to call it. that there is a a pimping over class, that there are, you know, what really could only be described as as pathologically satanic uh evildoers, and that the purpose of political power is to destroy the souls of children, not just to have power and security and all of that sort of stuff. And so, because governments have taken a lot of hits lately, they are looking to put out a lot of distractions. And I think a lot of it has to do with that. If you wanted to give me your thoughts, I'd be happy to hear.
>> Oh, hi Stefan. Well, um, one area where I do disagree with you on would be telepathy. I would say it's definitely real and there is an intermediary between uh people through telepathic abilities and it is documented um on a quantum level. They've done studies where they've taken um a certain rodents, they've killed one of them while the other one was in a submarine many miles away and they detected a difference in heartbeat when that happened. And um besides that study, the intermediary through which said information travels through is called God.
And that's essentially the binding um all of our entire existence.
>> Okay. So people ask questions of God, God gets the answer and then gives them back to people. People are entirely made out of God.
>> I mean that's a proposition that is very interesting cuz I think that people are made out of human cells. Are you saying >> I mean on the lowest level everything is made out of God.
>> Yeah. I I don't know what that means philosophically speaking. That's just a made out maybe you could you could say anything about anything, right? So, so what is it that you're trying to say from a philosophical standpoint, from a empirical standpoint?
>> All right. So, we live inside this being known as the demi urge that imprisons all of humanity.
So, the demi urge, also known as the self-generated, time travels to create itself. So, it's also known as the self-willed.
>> You're just trolling me at this point.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Dude, dude, dude.
[laughter] All right. It's good trolley, don't get me wrong.
>> I will admit that.
>> Listen, I I don't think we live inside the demi urge. I think we live inside the triple urge because demi urge is only two.
>> Well, why not go for nine urge or infinity urge? That's much more because then we'd be falling into different universes and existence and then we wouldn't coherently exist.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, that's definitely that's definitely bizarre. No, I appreciate that. That's [laughter] >> Yeah, I know. Thanks, James. I I I recognize his voice from before.
[laughter] I think that's great. All right. Um I think Noah wants to come back. If you want to unmute yourself, give it another try. Come on, bring some reason. And for the people who wanted to know, listen, philosophy, let's say that you really disagree with the space alien caller and you think that there's no space aliens.
It's all crazy. Well, I mean, if you are someone like me who likes to reason with people and so on, then there's very few people that I won't reason with. You know, let's say, I'm not saying this is true, but let's say, well, he's just crazy. You can't reason with him, but that's like being a doctor and saying, well, this person is too unwell. I can't possibly treat them. It's like, well, it's just a different kind of doctoring, isn't it? And we have a good friend, Richard, I think, is back. Are you going to bring me some sweet sweet reason or are we going to go in hot pursuit of telekinesis?
>> Hey Stefan.
>> Hello. [laughter] >> How you doing tonight?
>> I'm well thanks. How you doing?
>> Yeah, I'm great, thanks. Yeah, thanks for asking. Yeah, for sure. Actually, I just wanted to make a comment on uh the podcast I listened to today. Uh 41 and all alone.
And uh >> sorry, what was it? 41 and what? 41 and all alone.
>> Oh, yes. The the interview the the call-in show. Yeah. Sorry guys.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I just want to say like to the guy who called in, you know, a great shout out to you for taking the courage to call in when he hit rock bottom.
And I think I just want to say to him, you know, you're not all alone, okay?
you know, you actually have other people out there in the world who do care and you you know, you I he he uttered this sort of recognition late in the podcast in the last few minutes when he kind of said to you like um oh wow, like it's the first time I've felt like someone else cared for me. And yeah, and I I think you know what, like yeah, there are people out there on the planet that do care. I know there may be few and far between, but don't don't give up, okay? This is this is a call out to that guy and you know, don't don't give up, okay? Because there are people out there who care and don't give up. go forward, you know, take a look good look in the mirror and take a look at yourself and then say, look, you know what? You know, you can care for yourself. You don't have to rely on other people to care. That's a starting point. Start with the caring for yourself and then you will reach other people who can care for you too.
And then you and more importantly, you'll find people that you can care for in a real way. Okay. So that my message my message for him was just like please please do not give up.
And we've all hit rock bottom, right?
You know, you you you you've spoken about you hitting hitting rock bottom.
I've hit rock bottom as well. And that's not the end. You know, we can we can emerge out of that and find a better life. And you know, please, please, please don't give up because there is better stuff out there for you and you can find better people out there and then you can have a better life.
I think that's very noly and beautifully put and thank you for that message. You know, there's some cliches that have so much truth in them that they're worth meditating on. And there's an old cliche >> which is if you want to have a friend, be a friend. There's people that are out there in the world looking for things that can feed them, things that can make them feel better. Oh, I'm lonely, so I want someone to care for me. Oh, I'm sad. I want someone to cheer me up. And that's fine. That's fine. But what about the reciprocal responsibilities?
>> There are sad people around you. Maybe you can cheer them up.
>> Yeah.
>> There are lonely people around you.
Maybe you can make them feel less lonely. So >> yeah, >> if you go through life as a whole wanting to receive, >> yeah, >> then you end up receiving less and less and less because that tends to be the personality of somebody who turns out to be a bit of a taker. Like I want, I want, I want, I need, I need, I need.
And I'm sure we've all been around unstable people who are kind of bottomless holes that can't be filled.
Like you're just constantly propping them up. This is a bit more true, I think, from men to women that the woman is, you know, maybe highly anxious or depressed or whatever, and you you can spend your whole life trying to prop someone up and it's just like if you've ever had a tent that keeps falling down in the middle of a windstorm, it's sort of that your whole life is never actually using the tent, just trying to get it to stay up. And it's the same thing with relationships.
>> Yeah.
>> Sometimes. But so, so give and look for reciprocity. Some of sometimes the best way to feed your emptiness is to fill up others. But at the same time, it's an arisetilian meme. You don't want to be exploited by >> those others. So it is very easy to go through life wanting other people to fix your problems. I would love it if the world had been more sane and rational when I came along. And I can wait for other people to do it or I could do my very best to bring more reason and evidence to the world and hopefully leave it better thereby. And again, with this amazing technology that we have, which I literally drop my jaw in in gratitude and wonder every single day, I'm like, I can't believe that I get to carve my thoughts into the fabric of the universe from here to eternity with no gatekeepers. This is the most astounding development in the history of thought that has ever occurred. And I mean, I talked about this like over 20 years ago in a show about the Gutenberg press, that the internet was the new Gutenberg press.
>> Yeah.
>> But much more instantaneous and much more widespread. Now with AI, you can get on the-fly translations of podcasts into any language that you want. Uh sometimes and you can, you know, I've got AIs that I've developed for donors and others. Peacefulparenting.com is one that's available for free where you can ask questions of peaceful parenting in any one of 70 languages. It's absolutely astounding. Which means that the excuse the excuses that people have >> for not being reasonable or rational have extraordinarily diminished. Right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. 100%.
>> So yeah. So you know we have this incredible technology. We have the capacity to set meetups up. Like if you're interested in a topic just be a leader. Set a meetup up. There's meetup.com. There's tons of other places. We used to use these for free domain meetups before things got too dangerous uh politically.
But get things going, you know, get communities going. Uh get to know your neighbors, talk to people. Uh be a social glue that brings people together.
Don't wait for solutions to come to you.
That is a depressed state that often arises out of neglected and abused child your life better. Nobody really cares about you just for you. That was your parents job when you were a baby and a toddler. It is nobody's job when you're an adult. go out and bring, you know, it's another cliche that's really be the change you want to see in the world. I want the world to be more rational.
>> I will bring that to the world and try to build communities. Try to bring what you find lacking in your life to others and you can have some beautiful stuff and you also will have some negative stuff that if you're out there providing resources, some people will try to exploit you. That's why I say don't go out into the world >> and try and make it better without a healthy access to your anger and the ability to express it because you're going to need that to protect yourself from exploiters. But don't be an exploer either.
>> Yeah.
>> Nobody, you know, it's a it's a funny thing, you know, when you just see people around, you know, you're on the subway or the bus or whatever and you just see people, you know, they got this moat around them. Some people this loneliness, you know that they especially when they're older, they're just kind of isolated. they got nothing going on. And and I had that sense when my daughter and my wife were away uh for a while and I was alone in in the place and of course I know that there are people who care about me in the world obviously, right? But I could really get that sense, man, you can just disappear from the world like especially these days where you you don't even have to go out to get food anymore. like you could just disappear up your own ass in isolation and really wink out of existence and all of that. But we're designed to be social animals. So try and fight that urge and >> you know [clears throat] that old saying that one of the best ways to cure depression is to force yourself to go out of the house at every conceivable opportunity and talk to people and you know go and and and try and start communities. If if you care about paintings then go start a watercolor painting community. If you care about books go get a book club going. You care about train spotting don't go do it alone. find your train spotting with and >> just try and get that kind of connection. And it's really hard to have >> a bad life when you're surrounded by good people, but it takes effort and it also takes you and me and others being good people to create all of that. So, I think it's a great message to remind people of.
>> Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And you know, the point you made during that podcast was like, you know, we are social beings, social creatures, right? And that's a beauty. Like I see that as a beautiful thing and now with all the like you just you just said what you know this interconnectedness you know there's so much more opportunity for us to seek out other like-minded people you know even if even if we're not in the same exact location or proximity yeah we can nevertheless you know I'm talking to you right now and you've made such a profound difference in my life and I'm only a recent you know like a recent listener over the last six, seven months, but we you know you the conversations we've had and the help that you provided by listening and enabling me to reach out and it's been profound and I just want to say out to everybody out there like reach out and don't give up and there are other like-minded people out there and it's easy now. It's not it's not like back in the day when you you know you you had pen pals or you know this kind of stuff like no it's it it's it's right out there and please for anyone out there who's feeling this you know like isolation or they're lost and aloneeness. No, that's not the case.
There are other people out there who can care for you can care for and you can find likemindedness and yeah you can find it right and just you know like get up and you know go outside and reach out and you'll find that you'll find that and you >> and yeah and have important conversations you know there was a study that came out that people who attend church regularly tend to be happier now it's always tough to tease out cause and effect maybe people who are happier tend to go to church more right I So, it's always hard to tease out cause and effect. But what I will say is that one of the things that is important about church is that you're talking about something other than immediate material or romantic or sexual or business.
>> Yeah.
>> Or financial problems. You're talking about, you know, meaning and virtue and truth and goodness and a larger >> a larger view of your life than the everyday. It's really important in your life to zoom out rather than deal with the inevitable hobgoblins of the everyday. Oh, my water boiler is leaking. Oh, and my car needs new brakes. Oh, and you know, my back is hurting today. And you can just have this endless little conveyor belt of tiny gremlins that snatch up every higher thought you could possibly have.
And it's important to zoom out in life and to really make sure that you're seeing a larger picture, a deeper picture, a more virtuous and valued picture. And religion provides that, but it's not only religion that can provide that. Have important conversations. When was the last time you asked a friend what he thought the meaning of his life was or the meaning of life as a whole >> or purpose [clears throat] of life? Or have you ever talked to a friend of yours about his biggest moral battle, his biggest moral triumph, maybe his biggest moral failing, right? I mean, talk about things that matter. Talk about things that are important. Talk about things that are meaningful >> because that's where the true humanity is and that's where we can really connect with others.
>> Yeah. And and you know my from my experience is like if you do ask those kind of questions to somebody the shock of surprise on their face in delight is incredible you know because they like oh wow you know like you interested in what I think and I go yeah and they kind of go wow you know and it it opens up such opportunity and the joy that comes as a result of that is is is is you know incalculable. Right? You know, [clears throat] >> you can't get to know anyone if you don't know their deepest thoughts. And we all have deepest thoughts and our deepest thoughts tend to be isolating unless we're sharing them with others.
And and to tie sort of the beginning and the end of the show together, remember it's very important to have a social life, especially when you're out in the world, if you're walking alone, particularly in farmers fields. If you're alone, you are far more likely to be abducted by space aliens. Don't want that for these listeners because if they take you off planet, if they take you off planet, you cannot get to freemain.com/donate, which is where you need to get to >> to help keep this show >> free and accessible and commercial free and all of that. Freedommain.com/donate.
So avoid >> abductions.
>> Yeah.
>> Have a good community. They never take people from the middle of church and they never take people from the middle of a philosophical meetup. Yeah.
>> Super important.
>> Yeah. Yeah. 100%. I mean, like that's so beautiful. Yeah.
>> It's almost like it goes without saying, but it was worth saying.
>> All right, everyone. Well, thank you, Richard. I appreciate the conversation tonight. And thank you, uh, everyone.
Um, if you meet people with unusual ideas or ideas that you really disagree with, be curious.
>> Yeah. And and you are not likely to change people's minds right away, but sometimes you plant a seed and it grows over time and so on. So, uh, but be positive, be pleasant, be helpful with your thoughts, and I really do appreciate everyone's support.
Freemain.com/donate to help out. And we will talk to you Sunday morning for our philosophy show. Hey, maybe I'll do video. All right, all the best everyone.
Have a great night. Bye-bye. Bye.
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