Dr. Zakir Naik emphasizes that Muslims should identify primarily as 'Muslim' rather than by sectarian labels (Shia, Sunni, Hanafi, Salafi), as the Quran commands Muslims to simply call themselves 'Muslim' and the differences between schools of thought are minor (92-98% agreement). He advocates for unity among Muslims despite political and sectarian differences, arguing that division weakens the Muslim community globally. His approach to dawa (Islamic propagation) focuses on finding commonalities with non-Muslims rather than emphasizing differences, using wisdom and kindness in communication. He believes that Muslims should prioritize their eternal destination (Jannah) over worldly success, live simple lives, and give generously in charity, as demonstrated by his own practice of giving 51% of business profits to charity.
SNEAKO Interviews Dr Zakir Naik: Unite the UmmahAdded:
So I'm I'm sure you get this all the time when you speak about Iran. They're going to say you're Shia, you're Suni, you're Hanafi, you're Sufi, you're Salafi. What are you?
>> I'm a Muslim.
>> Alhamdulillah.
>> You were talking about the shadowbanned from social media. When were you shadowbanned by the government? Because they always say that you got banned by the Indian government.
>> Indian government. I got banned in 2016.
>> So >> and the shadow ban came after that.
>> So you were banned from India. You're not allowed to go to India anymore?
>> No, I can go but I can't come out.
They'll welcome me if I go. They'll they'll welcome me to come in, but they won't allow me to go out.
>> But what is their reason?
>> The reason basically is because of my popularity.
>> Is that what it's not because I'm popular only in Muslims. That's not a problem with Hindus.
>> I'm popular among the non-Muslims and the vote bank is trying to bring division between Hindu and Muslim and my talks get unity between Hindu Muslim.
>> They say uh Jesus says I am the way, the truth and the >> correct this is from Gospel of John chapter 14 verse number six.
>> Okay. The messenger at that time was the truth, the way and the life. No man came to God but through the messenger. So at the time of Moses, Moses peace be upon him was the way, the truth and the life.
No man came to God but through Moses. At the time of Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Jesus was the way, the truth and the life. No man came to God but through Jesus peace be upon him. So he's the way and the truth. That doesn't make him God. That makes him a person of God.
Makes him a messenger of God.
>> Mhm. Does your dean get corrupted communicating with these people? Because right now this is a a form of hidden away going to Malaysia and this and I'm way more at peace around the Muslims but I'm from New York and there's physical attacks there's mental attacks there's people constant there's evil eye and you get pulled away from the dean and it's it's it's your fault but the difference between you know Ramadan when you're in Medina and Mecca around the believers and then back home in the land of the disbelievers it's very it's the polar opposites and you having dealt with all these How do you protect your IM from the people that want to destroy it?
Baby, can't you hear my call?
>> I don't know. I got to try some better one. Don't say that.
>> I'm getting pressed right now.
>> I'm getting pressed right now.
>> I don't like the fruit. What do you want me to Do you want me to lie? Lying is haram.
>> Just do not say it.
>> Don't say it.
>> Yeah. Don't say it.
>> I'll try a better one. Maybe the one I had wasn't good.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Let's catch up next time.
>> Can I take a picture of you?
>> Yeah.
my friend.
>> Oh, okay. What's his name?
>> Iden.
>> Iden.
>> Where are you going next?
>> Uh, we have another interview to do.
>> Interview with >> No, we just did about a three-hour interview with him. We have somewhere else.
>> Somewhere else to be. Long interview.
Very good interview.
>> Dad, did he cook me?
>> Yo, did I get cooked, bro?
>> Okay.
>> Why'd you press me like that, man?
Guess.
>> Huh?
>> Cuz I was not like >> I'll give you a gift.
>> Sure.
>> So, do you do you like it here?
>> I love it here so far. It's been great.
What's the jersey?
>> Can I take a picture?
>> Let's do it. Let's do it.
>> Stream photo. Ready? Come on.
>> Come on.
Boom. Boom. Nice. Okay. Is someone doing a photo? Okay.
>> Another one.
>> Salam.
>> Salam. Hi.
>> Bye.
>> Say bye.
>> Bye.
Okay. I swear you got Okay.
All right. Asalam alaikum, guys.
>> Thank you. question.
You care about Muslims and stuff. You're meeting scholars.
>> Why do you befriend folks like Nick >> who speak ill about Muslims who are the cause for violence against Muslims who disrespect our dean and you have a responsibility to speak up against his people.
>> Right. So it says first that the ones that are going to be the closest to us are the true Christians. Like this is what we're >> he's a true Christian >> I believe. believe so. Yeah.
>> Clubbing, clubbing with women like that, speaking ill of women, disrespecting women. That's what God, >> he he went to the club one time. He's he's not he's not a club guy.
>> Look, I don't know. I don't know what's in your heart and I'm not going to act like I do. But >> are you asking me a question or you just here to like to disagree with me cuz I can answer if you want me to.
>> Yeah. Okay. Please tell me. Like insulting the prophet.
>> You said this already.
>> Do you want me to respond?
>> Yeah. I'm just let >> Okay. overall like there's a lot of you're correct that he says things that are disrespectful and that take him out of the fold and that people could be upset about. But in America right now this is where all the propaganda is happening and he has said positive things about Gaza. He says he has said positive things about Muslims. I understand you're correct to to feel the way you have. I find it beneficial and I find it to be da to represent myself as the best Muslim I can be in America especially around people like this who have popular influence.
>> You should also >> Hold on. I'm not you asked me a question. Yeah, >> I'm here to answer.
>> The way I represent myself around different public figures, political people, celebrities and stuff, that goes a long way. And if I respond with the same level of animosity and hatred that they respond to Islam with, then what do they >> It's not animosity. It's not animosity.
It's not animosity to be principled. No.
>> Okay. Nothing right said is not is not being principled. Regardless of what you think, again, the true our true allies and our true friends are the believers.
I understand this.
But if I respond in the same way, if I start going angry, oh, you said if if I start to respond with anger and the same level of hatred that they talk about us with, then what are they going to say?
All the propaganda is true. You really are hateful people. Oh, religion of peace. Oh, you really are terrorists. I don't want to let that propaganda win. I know that this is where all the discourse and all this happens and where it's most important and where they try to lie about us the most they possibly can. So, I'm trying my best to beat that propaganda.
>> I hope I hope so.
>> You think I have different intentions?
>> No, I'm not speaking about your intentions. I'm just saying I'm looking at the material effects of what people like Nick Fuentes say on Muslims in the US. I'm from the States, >> so I'm not It's not like I don't know Nick Fun is. I see what happens to Muslims because of that type of rhetoric.
>> Yeah, that's wrong. So like I hope I hope people like yourself who have a platform who can use it for good you know be principled and tell you you don't have to be you don't have to be like hostile and violent but you could be like hey man respect our dean you truly care about God you would not speak about Muslims and the prophets >> I say this >> I say I say all this >> I never back down from any of that >> thank you >> all right great to meet you alhamdulillah >> it's a pleasure Perfect. Yes.
on there.
>> Yeah. The Malcolm X autobiography.
Absolutely. Which I'm sure you've read.
>> Of course, I know very many.
>> Okay.
>> I know about him. Malcolm X.
>> And there's so much that I want to ask about your story and >> getting into your life. They were calling you the original Dai, you know, the the OG in a way. If we're going to use Warner's terminology, >> so where to begin maybe?
>> Well, I mean, if you don't want me asking, how did your Dawa journey begin?
Like, how what inspired you uh to speak this the truth in in a land full of paganism? Actually uh my childhood I was a normal practicing Muslim >> normal but when I met Shik Ahmed did >> after I met my change from a doctor of body to doctor of soul >> so actually my parents especially my mother wanted me to become a heart specialist doctor I'm from family of doctor my father is a doctor my brother is a doctor my father is a psychiatrist >> so while I was in the medical college that time I met Shik Ahmed >> and after I met him I changed from a doctor body doctor of soul.
>> So it's a doctor of the body now you're the doctor of the soul.
>> So my mother wanted to me to become like someone like Dr. Chris Bernard. If you know Dr. Chris Bernard is the first heart specialist who did the heart transplantation in a human being.
>> So she wanted me to be somewhat like him. So when I met Shik Ahmed Dad and I started doing dava. So I asked my mother do you want me to become like shake dad or Dr. Krishna? She said both. But after a few years in the field of dava and mashallah Allah mashallah gave us success and all. So alhamdulillah then she said that I would sacrifice a thousand Dr. Chris Banan for one shake Ahmed. So that's how my journey started.
So then I became a then I gave up my medical profession.
>> Well and your specialty was what exactly?
>> General medicine.
>> General medicine.
>> And how long since you quit or left here?
>> I met Shik Dadat in my medical college.
So when I finished my medical college, I practiced very little because my father had a roaring practice. So I practiced very little maybe less than a year and then I started managing a pathological you know one of our pathological laboratory centers I managed it. So initially it was 2 hours dava rest medical then it was half 50/50 then 2 hours medical practice remaining da then full-time D. So hardly within a span of couple of years I became a full-time D.
So then my parent dedicated me filter time for the cause of da and that's how we started a small organization and alhamdulillah it became the largest private Muslim organization in the world >> and because of the success the Indian government didn't really like the success that many non-Muslim came for my talks so that they didn't have to do hijra in 2016 so I left my country and then I came to Malaysia.
>> What do you think it was that made you guys so successful at what you guys do?
>> Nothing of our own. It is and I sometime wonder why people come for my talk. So it is mainly Allah's help like you know if Allah is really out to help you and Allah says in the Quran is sur if Allah helps you none can overcome you. If Allah forsakes you who is there then who can help you. So put your trust in Allah.
>> Mhm. And the best example I mean my son mashallah if you see my childhood compared to his childhood the training he got for Islam is thousand times better than me thousand times more than thousand times >> Arabic as language have Quran better English but Allah support is most important he's known but I tell him that unless Allah doesn't support you his masters in Islam his PhD so in terms of qualification in terms of uh training training maybe thousands of times better than me >> but yet it is Allah's help that that that gives you success it is not your intelligence or your or your knowledge of course the more you strive in the way of Allah Allah helps you so striving is from your side and then the rest you leave to Allah >> your professions are very different but also very similar in some ways so as a doctor it's like you're helping people in this life >> correct >> but as a diet you're helping them in the next life >> correct so the The reason I became a doctor was mainly to help humanity. And before I met Shik Ahmed Dad, I thought doctor is the best profession to serve humanity. It is a good profession. But when I met Shik Datad and when I when I read the Quran more deeply as Allah says in chapter 41:33, Allah says, "Who is better in speed than one who wise to the way of thy lord? Works righteousness and sees I'm a Muslim." So according to Allah subhanaa tala in the Quran the best profession is a di there's no better profession than person spreading the dean of Allah.
>> So that's the reason I changed from a doctor of body to a doctor of >> so the most important profession is a >> yes the highest profession in Islam that that includes that can take closer to Allah and also then is there are many other but is the best.
So, how have you noticed the DA scene or DA in general shift since you started?
You've been doing it for a long time and they say that you're the original. I think especially utilizing social media in the way that it's used now.
>> I think probably pioneered a lot of the same outlook that people have now.
What do you think is going well and what do you think needs work on?
>> Previously, as I told I was inspired by Shik Ahmed. So maybe about 40 years ago or 30 years back. The number one di was shik Ahmed Dad. Shik who?
>> Shik Ahmed. He's from South Africa.
>> They were telling me about your shikhid.
So he's your teacher. So when he was there, he was undisputed number one.
There was no one close to him.
>> The champion >> and he started making his talks on video and distributing the video all over the world. So his dharma was by by video.
That's how he became famous. And he got the king fac award. That was in the late 80s and '90s.
>> And that time I met him and I was inspired by him. And of course at the time of Shik Ahmeda there was no social media. So when social media came we we even utilized social media and we started our own satellite channel TV. So when we saw the Islamic >> beach peace TV >> peace TV >> peach TV is the peace TV.
>> Peace.
>> Peace TV is the largest religious channel in the world in terms of number of views.
>> Mhm.
>> So when we started we saw that the quality was very low. So I always believe that we should have the best of quality. So when we started Peach TV, we used the best cameras for the satellite industry. In 2005, we started the channel. We started English first, then went on to Udu, Bangla, Chinese. English reached a viewership of 100 million in a few years.
>> Mhm.
>> Then Udu had 80 million, Bangla had 50 million, Chinese 20 more. Put together 200 to 50 million viewership.
>> And how many languages you speak?
>> I speak fluently and you can say three.
Not worth that.
>> Udu, English, Arabic.
>> Udu, English, Arabic. I know. No but not that well not the that will give a talk.
>> Okay.
>> So English udu Hindi >> and this is around what year? 2005 2006 >> about the channel TV started in 2006 it was launched 2005 was the test run >> that's when YouTube just was created.
>> Yes.
>> So that's how first we came on YouTube.
We started Dava on the >> on the cable TVs >> on cable TV.
>> Cable TV. So very popular. Then we started satellite channel. Then of course we on social media. So in social media of course when there was no much of uh shadow banning so my Facebook reached now about 25 million followers but there's a shadow ban so it has stopped increasing it increasing previously increased about 5 million a year >> a shadow ban when was this >> about 10 years back >> there were shadow bans back then >> yes it started that it just started >> okay >> and if the government is against it year so 2016 it started 17 18 now it's very high so now Now maybe in a year it increase by 100,000 only. Previously 5 million a year it was it was uh my Facebook was banned by the by the government in 2012. We started a new thing Facebook >> Indian government banned your Facebook.
>> Yes >> because of the popularity there are many non-Muslims come for my talk.
>> I know >> and there are >> especially Hindus >> thousands of Hindus that come for my talk and they accept Islam.
>> So they say what we did not learn in 40 years of our life we we hear Dr. in two hours and we understand the religion better and I believe in talking about similarity rather than differences. I don't believe in winning the match. I uh I don't believe in defeating the opponent. I believe in winning him over.
>> That's what the Quran says in surah chapter 414 that uh repel evil with good. You never know they'll become your friend who is the enemy. So in that way mashallah uh the people of India took my talks very well. We had large audiences.
It started with thousand then reached to 100,000 then more than a million live.
>> The largest gathering is a million live.
The largest gathering is a million people live in one venue which is the largest gathering in the world for any religious speaker >> in one city.
>> So and then on the satellite there are 100 million people watching. So that's how it spread. But when the social there's a free social media and there is a paid social media. In free social media we add their mercy. We cannot speak what you want to speak. If we speak what they don't like they'll ban you. They'll stop your page. So that's how we learned. Then we started not saying everything what we wanted to say.
>> Yeah.
>> So being limited. So then the Facebook got banned in 2012. We started in 2013.
Every year 45 million by 17 it reached about 18 million >> and then they would ban another one >> and then there's the shadow ban now.
>> Okay.
>> Because they haven't broken their rules per se, >> right?
>> But they don't like we spreading Islam.
>> So yeah, you really are the the OG.
That's what we say in American ter because all this sounds familiar to everything that we go through now. The Matrix really did attack you first. What was the reason that Facebook banned you originally? Did they because they can't just >> No, they haven't banned me. No, first first time it was in 2012 when the Indian government complained at this spoke something about uh Hinduism and they made a protest about that.
>> Yeah.
>> So they took down my so then we were more careful. We said let's do because the Indian government all over the world the maximum social media is in India.
>> The maximum Facebook followers are in India, maximum YouTube in India. So India has the largest follower because Because China does not allow Facebook and YouTube freely.
>> Mhm.
>> So China is the second largest population. So maximum number of Facebook users is not America. It is India. So India is very powerful. It can control YouTube you know Facebook a lot.
So so YouTube is completely banned in India of mine but the other people can access it by changing the location. So YouTube has so YouTube only has reached 4 and a half million.
>> I think YouTube is now on in in India.
It's available now. No, no, it is the largest followers of YouTube is in India.
>> Yeah, T-Series. But they for a while they weren't >> almost almost all the popular platforms, social media, the largest followers in India. Number one, >> there's a lot of you >> or whether it be Facebook, whether it be WhatsApp, whether it be YouTube, whether it all all most of them.
>> Mhm.
>> Because China doesn't allow this and India has the largest population.
>> Mhm.
>> So because of that they have a lot of control. So then we should be careful what we speak. So my Instagram reaches 1 to 3 million then again gets pulled down. Again we start again get pulled down. Mhm.
>> So now we are there on the Facebook they haven't banned my page but there's a shadow banning.
>> Mhm.
>> But but uh uh one thing good is that because we have no copyrights when we release on the YouTube. Previously every used to be few hundred thousand now it's only few thousand but people copy and they post on their media. So the reach is there.
>> So do you mind when people do that or you like >> we encourage that? We encourage.
>> I agree. I think that's the best >> because we I don't make a single penny from any of my Islamic activities neither any of my social media. It's all free. We don't believe in anyone charging for my talks. Anyone calls me and they charge a ticket, I don't go to that talk. I said that is not allowed, you know, >> it's not prohibited. If someone charges, >> right?
>> But it's not uh preferable. It's not must.
>> Okay.
>> It's not preferable. So we believe that we should spread the message of the dean.
>> So people like you know they offer me okay we'll charge to and we'll pay. I said no I don't Allah has given me.
There are people offered me a million dollar for one lecture they will charge.
I said no I'm happy with what I'm earning and earning more than that and we happy with that and we live a simple life. We believe that we should live a simple life so that no one can pressurize you and give maximum of your earning in charity because we are in this life for the hereafter. So that's why people are shocked when they come oh such a small apartment it's a big apartment what's wrong in it. So we believe that you should make your needs very less and my son was you know he wanted to so I told you you want to drive the car that Dubai to my friend's house and I made him drive almost all models of car whether Ferrari Lamborghini drive but we have a Toyota we can afford >> roles Allah has given us that wealth but we believe in giving charity >> right >> majority what you earn we have a business where we side a luxury car and we are all the cars we owned all the car but we didn't use it we had Maybag like Lamborghini, Bentley, you name the cars.
>> Let's go. Let's go.
>> We own it. We own it. But then we are doing that for business.
>> Okay.
>> But we never travel in that car.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Okay. Test drive. We did. For me, I bought a Camry car there. So when I go to Katar, I have a Camry car which I bought for me. I travel in that.
>> A Camry.
>> A Camry. You can a >> Camry works. Gets from point A to point B.
>> Sorry. Yes. No. No. It's a good car. Of course it does.
>> It's a good car.
>> It's comfortable. Yeah, >> it works. And then so so we are doing for business. So any D that comes to katar we give them complimentary or may back compliment so that way we get some sab for that but we believe that a person so I tell my son that when you do business make Allah your business partner >> and when you make Allah your business partner you cannot make him a small partner you have to make him minimum 51% partner so I told my son in 1920 202 in char business that minimum 20 51% of your profit >> every year you should give in charity minimum you can give more >> 51% >> for him not for for me it's much I'm a veteran So mind is a very high number.
>> So you have to give 51% minimum. So whatever you own minimum 51% you start and then you can increase what you want to increase after that.
>> Mhm.
>> So alhamdulillah. So we believe that we are in this world uh as a test for the hereafter.
And you should not run after money.
Money should run after you and money is not everything you know. So so Allah test you. So in India when we were there uh I used to pray to Allah every day that let my life and wealth be sacrificed for Allah. So when we did hijra when I left India in 20 2016 we had to leave all our wealth behind large number big amount tens of $100 million we left it we were zero we started again Allah gave us again >> so I spend less than 10% of my time in business maybe less than one hour a day for managing my business.
>> Mhm.
>> After the madai so I spend more than 10 hours in dawa in a day and other things are there. So alhamdulillah Allah has blessed us but yet we kept our life should be simple and give more charity.
Allah tests with you Allah test you. So if you don't have love with money so whether you make profit or don't make profit doesn't for me for me and my wife it takes me $500 a month to survive including the guest not for my fora when I go pay for my ticket that's expensive but for my life for me and my wife one one month I require $500 only for my everything. Not sure.
>> 500. Yes. Not love activities. Not buying my camera. Cameras are very expensive.
>> Our PTV cameras are the most expensive in the world.
>> One camera cost $300,000. One camera.
>> It's a Red camera.
>> Red is very cheap camera. We have the Sony Venus2 original lens. Red camera is very cheap. Red camera is a poor. Very cheap. Very cheap.
>> The more expensive are the lens. So for a PT first we used to use the best cameras for the broadcast industry. In 2015 we change the strategy because when we use the best camera for the broadcast industry it will remain on top for four five years that's it >> after that it gets obsolete or it gets featured. So the programs of Shik Ahmed Gita shot in 1995 I cannot use it on PTV. So I'm spending millions of dollars to upgrade it yet it's poor quality.
>> So then in 2015 we started using film cameras.
>> Now film cameras are 10 times more expensive than the broadcast cameras >> right? So when we start using film cameras and we purchase at one shot 18 film cameras Japan was shocked Sony who's purchasing there's no one in the world who has purchased film cameras because when you shoot a film you get one camera and you look into the lens if it's a fight sequence there may be three four cameras so we purchase 18 cameras together and each one costing quart million dollar that time and then came the confiscated cameras now we have better cameras each costing about $300,000 but those cameras of course they require specialized things So when we shoot a program which has 100,000 people or 5,000 people these cameras it will remain inshallah for 100 years. So we shoot on 8K then we downgraded to HD and show on PTV. So for YouTube social media we use a very low quality less than 1% of the original quality. But the original we keep it safe on LTO's because the same camera what you use for the satellite the good camera will be in the market max 5 six years not more than that. So the film cameras we shoot we store it on high quality and we downgrade it for our channel and for social media.
>> You know your stuff. So you know every aspect of DAWA from the Wikipedia it's all about comparative theology but here you are like administration and of course of course we are we had a we are a staff of more than 500 full-time paid employees in Bombay. So we were the largest mashallah private Muslim da organization in the world in terms of number of people working in the terms of budget in terms of reach of course we started with $100 a month budget less than $1,000 a year actually $80 a month we start I told my father you're giving charity so much outside why don't you give me $89$90 a month >> so that's how we started our with one staff that was in 1991 >> mhm >> and in a span of few years mah we gave having the largest only you know head office we had 500 paid employees and more than 10,000 >> 105 >> 500 full-time paid employees >> 500 >> full-time paid employees and more than 10,000 volunteers only in Bombay >> 51% to to Allah right so >> yes no of of income of course other people who support us >> so other people so so it's a charitable organization >> you were talking about the shadowbanned from social media when were you shadowbanned by the government because they always say that you got banned by the Indian government >> Indian government I got banned in 2016.
>> So, >> and the shadow man came after that.
>> So, you were banned from India. You're not allowed to go to India anymore?
>> No, I can go, but I can't come out.
They'll welcome me. If I go, they'll they'll welcome me to come in, but they won't allow me to go out.
>> But what is their reason?
>> The reason basically is because of my popularity.
>> Is that not because I'm popular only in Muslims. That's not a problem for Hindus.
>> I'm popular among the non-Muslims and the vote bank is trying to bring division between Hindu and Muslim. and my talks get unity between Hindu Muslim.
M >> so after after I left the country Modi the prime minister sent an emissary to me >> to you know to try and bring >> Modi right he just said uh Modi did you see the speech he said India is the motherland and Israel is the fatherland >> you saw this this prime minister >> so they want me to come back and they said we will give you everything you know we'll give all everything we'll support you but of course I'm not there for money I'm not there for any status they wanted me to support Kashmir know what they did in Kashmir I said I cannot do that you I cannot support your wrong activities.
>> So they basically want to use your influence for political gain.
>> Of course. Yes.
>> Because they like >> if someone uses for a good cause has no problem but not for the cause which is haram like they are >> they are doing such a wrong to the Muslims you know and so so because of that I did hijra and of course when I did hijra my activities increased more.
So my staff may have reduced but my activities has increased a lot you know in terms of politics in terms of meeting trying to help other people. Previously it was pure dawa.
>> Now we try and help the Muslim countries you know try and meet each other.
>> You touched on an idea that I think a lot of Americans are starting to realize is that division is intentional to keep the people divide and conquer right >> divide and conquer. Divide and rule.
>> Can you explain that idea? How did you come to realize that unity is something that they intentionally don't want us to have?
No, because if you see the history of India, if you know Muslims in the rule India for about 800 years, >> right?
>> India was the most powerful country in the world at that time. If you see from the 15th 16th century and in the 16th century when Aurang was the ruler, India had 25% GDP of the full world, more powerful than America in terms of money.
>> Which year?
>> Uh 16th century.
>> Okay.
>> 16th 17th century. 1530 at the time of Akbar and Orang India was the highest.
So 25% of the full world GDP >> was from India >> from spices right >> spices or other many things you know >> gold and jewels and everything >> and then the British >> and then the Britishers came they came to do business >> as a businessman and they cheated >> and they had their own army >> and they ruled and they bought a division between the Muslims so the fault of Muslims also they were divided and they started you know bribing the people and that's how the division came and previously in India Hindu Muslims were very united even at the time of Moguls. There was no division between religion. So Aarang and Agbar had Hindus who were the army general and Shivaji had Muslims who were the army general you know. So it was common there was no fight there was political fight between the kings but not because of religion.
So when the when the Britishers came everywhere in the world they divided and they ruled. So then they took all the wealth of India sent it to UK and they started taxing and that's how you know and the GDP of India completely went down you know no after they left then again India is down.
>> Mhm.
>> So in that terms India was a very powerful country. So then we realize everywhere uh the the major problem that the Muslims are facing now is because of disunityity. Number one and of course number one is going away from Quran and Sunnah. If you see history from the 8th to the 12th century, the Europeans called it the dark ages. Dark ages means we the world was backward. They used to say, >> right?
>> But for Islam, it was a golden age.
>> Yeah.
>> From the 8th to the 12th century, >> the amount of advances that the world made in science because of Muslims is phenomenal.
>> Algebra, >> algebra, technometry, chemistry, you name it. Father of chemistry, a Muslim, right?
technome you name it there. So if you had to learn if you had to be a scientist you had to learn Arabic compulsory and Baghdad was called the house of wisdom by hikma it was the biggest library in the world.
So all the all the resources of research was in India sorry was in uh land of the Muslim Baghdad >> in Baghdad or Iraq.
>> Baghdad India came later. India Muslims came later on. So that time we had the kilafhat and we had the Muslims in India that the mogul. So both put together economically India was strong military the falaf was strong both put together we were like untouched like no one could agree then they bought all the sitna and then they put division then the Muslims started fighting among themselves and some of them deviated from the Quran they started going after luxury after alcohol. So that's how you found the downfall of the Muslim caliphate and then the Britishers they came and they brought a division between the Muslims in the Middle East and you know what's happened all this happen because of that.
>> So can you be our next caliphate? Sorry.
No, I'm not fit for that. For that you got a more qualified person. But of course, we can always pray and ask people to but the Quran says that inshallah before the end of the world the caliphate will come back.
>> The medi will come. Of course, inshallah he'll come and then of course also will come.
>> Mhm.
>> So we're waiting for that for the time.
So >> do you think that this is the start of the end of times?
>> Yes. But >> see because there are signs for the end of the world. There are minor signs and major signs. Minor signs are many. In my Facebook post I mentioned about 87 minor signs and major signs are 10. Some have said 100. Some have clubed together.
>> So one of the earliest sign was the coming of the last and final messenger.
>> When prophet Muhammad was born and he became a messenger that was the earliest sign for the end of time.
>> But end of time is near. We don't know whether it's 10 years from now or thousand years or 10. We don't know. So no one knows when it will come but the signs of the end of world have already started from the time the prophet came you know because he's the last messenger >> out of the minor signs majority have already been fulfilled the right few pending so then but how long will it take we don't know then the 10 major signs are there once that starts coming theam will come all these are there so >> what are some of the signs that have occurred recently >> there are The Burj Khalifa for example is this one.
>> No no the building of B prophet said before the end of time the Muslim will compete the Arab from the desert will compete each other with building tall buildings.
>> Right.
>> So that was BHJ Khalifa was made in 2014.
>> Yeah.
>> Or something like >> 2014.
>> So BJ Khalifa then you have second tallest in in Malaysia.
So the Muslim and then then they say that woman we will dress which they're not very interested transparent all the there are many signs the mid so a sign of the end of world doesn't mean it's something which is wrong >> right >> most of it may be wrong like coming of the messenger is a good point so signs of the year of sign of the end of the world doesn't mean it's a bad thing >> right >> now most of it may be bad majority >> but coming of the prophet is not bad you understand now >> so for example they said the mosque would be you know would be decorated elevate treat and you find the ma so there are uh so most of the minor signs maybe about 75% are done >> so as you just spelled out one of the major faults of the uma and why we don't have a a caliphate right now is because of division >> what can we do to do our best to bring more unity right now and this is why you you've been banned you've been shadowbanned and banned from governments because of unity and I I think we now see >> how important this is what can we do to bring unity right now. The reply is in the hadith of the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam our beloved prophet said in sunnah Abu Dawud volume number four had number 4,297 the prophet said a time will come where Muslims will be pounced upon all would jump on the Muslims as how they jump on the food this is happening right now >> ah so then the sab asked will the Muslims be less in number the prophet said no Muslims will be in large numbers but they'll be like froth froth has no direction as the wave goes they keep on pointing we'll be like froth And Allah will take away the fear of the enemies of Muslims from their heart.
Means the enemies of Muslims who would like who would normally fear Muslims the fear would be taken away and Muslim will have vahan. So the Sahabah asked what is vahan? The prophet said dunya katul the Muslim will love duny and they will fear death.
>> So looking at this today the world population is 8 8.278 billion because I gave a talk yesterday.
So whenever I give a talk I update my statistics. Whenever I give a new talk as of yesterday it was 8.278 billion population out of which more than 25% are Muslim. More than 2 billion or 2.07 uh billion are Muslims. Never in the history of the world have Muslims been more than 25%. Have they been more than 2 billion? We are large number. Every fourth human being is a Muslim. But you look at the Muslim we are in a terrible state. We have been kicked around. We have been humiliated. We have been kicked like a football. Why? You see in the we have a minority whether it be China in the Zingan area whether it be the in the the Rohingyas in Myanmar whether it be Muslims in India whether in Muslim countries whether it be Yemen the fighting among themselves in Sudan in Afghanistan >> Palestine >> Palestines attacking what we think we're doing >> Iran if all >> that's a great point two billion but no unity >> imagine if all and even at the time when the caliphate was at the weakest about 100 years ago when the caliphate was at the weakest weakest that's the uh uh weakest maybe 110 years back you know at that time also we were strong because they were afraid the Muslims are united >> in the Ottoman war >> yes even Ottoman time when they were at the weakest yet they feared the Muslim because at that time they took out a drama you know France had taken out Rama against the prophet so Sultan Mhammed that time said that you better stop this drama against the prophet it and they were scared. After a few years in London, they had the same drama. Again the calf khalif wrote a letter they said this is not fun this is London he said you don't know us if I tell what are you going to do Muslim um all we'll attack you and they were afraid that time we were weak very weak yet they were afraid that Muslim had the power because there was one leader today one Muslim country is fighting against the other Muslim country one Muslim country supporting the second Muslim country to overpower the third Muslim country why >> so we need a calip then I asked PMS he said he don't want to you don't want you don't want to be the calip we Find someone who can how do we find some leadership?
>> No, we can always talk about having a califf I mean I don't think so I have the qualities of being calip I'm a so of course we require a calip and the kafhat will come for sure how long we don't know it is there in the hadith. So the thing is there that today the Muslims are more bothered about their seat in dunya. So I tell in my talks you don't be bothered about your seat in Dunya whether you're powerful in a company or organization or city or a state or a country you strive for your seat in Jenna >> and that is eternal seat this seat so people are more bothered about they are taking the help of a non-Muslim country for protection >> the GCC by that's yeah you're right >> and most of the Muslim countries >> are you banned from the GCC >> no no most of them are willing to give me citizenship alhamdulillah but but So I've been offered uh from 15 countries citizenship but I prefer you know Malaysia is >> Malaysia is a good choice and I I have to say you made a reg in Malaysia mashallah. So the thing is that um that unfortunately of course they love me they respect me so we're trying to use whatever a little bit influence we have to try to get them closer to Quran >> right >> and now the the situation you you see that we should realize that Allah is the one if Allah help you no one can overcome you and we see in the history of the prophet in the battle of bad Muslims only 300 and the opposition was three times more and they won the battle the same thing now you see what's happening in Afghanistan for more than 20 years they they have spent more than a trillion dollar America and finally they had to leave Afghanistan >> Taliban won against the strongest military in the world >> well and they were the weakest country now what's happening in Iran so with all the top fighter jet F-35 and F16 F-15 and their radar everything >> and see so this is so the problem Muslims should realize that the one who can protect us best is Allah so if you go away from the teachings of Allah So when we realize this that Allah is the one who can and when we start not fearing death now because we fear death we are paying billions of dollars to the kufur non-Muslim to protect us when you don't fear death so the prophet said khan will be in the Muslim love of dun and fear of death so the moment you start not loving dun that for me wealth is nothing so if you start doing that that wealth is nothing you need a simple life I don't want a position I don't want to see it. I want in Akar. And then you stop fearing death. That's what happened. Taliban, they were not afraid.
Iran is not afraid. So when they say that you're going to bombard the bridge or bombard the the the place where the nuclear flight is there, they are making human chain. Imagine other other people run away. They going to bombard they run away. So they're making a human chain.
That means they don't fear death. Oh okay. We have differences with correct.
They have done their atrocities. But that is different. At this time we should forget our differences.
>> Thank you. You're saying everything that I want.
>> I'm not we have differences. That's the different thing. So we're not going to talk about see at the time of the Sahabas. If you see the history of the prophet and of the Sahabas, the Sahabas had differences.
>> But when a third party came to take advantage, they said you didn't interfere between we are brother Muslim.
You know >> we were sorted out among ourselves. You don't come and take advantage. So this is what we see in the history of the Sabbath. So I'm I've got my uh I made the vision. But now when the Israel and America are attacking a Muslim country, how can we?
>> Thank you. You're saying exactly what I've been this whole message of my content is about especially right now.
So I got a lot of people upset in the GCC just saying why are you talking positively about the people of Iran?
Well, clearly they don't fear. So Allah says that Allah says in the Quran >> that a one on whom zul is done Muslim is called mean on whom operation is done if the operation's dua even if he's a non-Muslim hypothetically I agree the non-Muslim you understand now a one on the operation is done Allah listens to the dua of the oppressed person and if a non-Muslim country is just >> yes >> Allah will support that and if a Muslim country doing injustice Allah will support the Muslim non-Muslim country which is on justice rather than a Muslim country which injustice and said this so there are verses in the Quran so based on the Quran and hadith there are differences that is a different chapter that doesn't mean I agree with them 100% >> right >> at this time there is zan on them they are being killed whether it be Gazada whether it be Iran and how can we how can we just neglect it that doesn't mean I'm agree with the Malp this time. We have to be united.
>> Thank you. Yes.
>> We have to be united.
>> And and you see that's what the Quran says. That's what the prophet did.
That's what the Sabbath did. That's what the Farah did.
>> So why are we No, the problem is we afraid of death.
>> That's it.
>> And see what's happening now with all the latest technology, latest radar system, billions of dollar. They're spending more than a billion dollar a day to survive. And they are using cheap drones of 20,000 >> 50k drones, 5k drones, >> 20,000 drone and they attacking a billion dollar >> right destroying.
>> So, so and this is the thing that we should not love this world. You should be more bothered that our final destination is a so if you lead the life that where will I benefit more is a better businessman. So these people are short-term businessmen. They only bother about this world. So if you look at the see we are going to live in this world for how long? 70 years, 80 years, 90 years, not more than that maximum 100.
Mhm.
>> Compared to the Akara which is eternal.
So if you're a good businessman that if I give you some difficulty, if I give you some pain for the small 01% compared to the you would love okay I don't mind having pain if you're doing an operation you're giving an injection you're getting a poke but then you're going to be cured. So comparatively even if you see in this world you have difficulties you have turmoil you have to face something it's good it's a test >> for the examination you study hard you sleepless for that few hours so that you get a good result >> exactly >> so Allah says inah verse number two Allah has created death and life to test which of is good indeed see all of these people Muslim countries I don't take name normally when I talk you know many I meet I know them we have to guide them.
It is not see and we have to guide with hikma >> see talking see if I'm going to talk something and they won't accept things okay I've done my duty but you have to do with hikma you should not I always tell that if you want to talk to someone who's on a high power whether it be the government whether it be a big celebrity do with hikma you can't insult them if you insult them the chances you'll win them over is less >> you have to speak with hikma with love because our main duty is to win them over not difficult not to prove them wrong what are you going to do get We do our job in the best of ability. As Allah says in chapter 16 verse 125, invite all to the way of thy lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching. So if you do it with wisdom not that okay see I spoke the truth I gave good to that country. I gave good to that president.
>> What is the benefit? Are you trying to score points here?
>> Yeah >> we are trying to win. Follow the Quran.
>> So >> you want to win them over note.
>> Win them over. So same way in the Quran, see when I'm giving advice to a normal person is different. When I'm giving advice to the head of states is different. This is what Islam says.
>> I cannot just bombard even if I'm right you know I will push them over. In fact on the other side you have to win them over you know. So so if Allah has given you Allah has made you a celebrity for example. So it's your duty not just to say I'm a celebrity I've come on the social media spoken the truth. No. Okay that's there. Speaking truth is better than not speaking truth and that is only small portion you have done.
>> Your job is to win them. So when you're giving advice your advice should even touch the heart you know. So that as there are some people some very few who take names and they criticize and they keep on bombarding. I gave the message with hikma. I told many things now without taking names. So those who are intelligent is who I'm who I'm speaking about because our job is that if they like you as a celebrity, how do you influence them to come on the huck is is your job.
>> You have to speak with love.
>> I can see why you're a threat now. I I understand you probably don't get into debates the way that we're used to now.
A lot of the conversation a screaming matches >> hikma.
>> No, depending where you are. If if you're in a boxing match, you have to give a knockout.
>> If I'm on a debate on the stage, I'm n different. They have to be like a line.
Correct. But not so main job is to get the people close to Quran and >> whether it be a non-Muslim, whether it be anyone, whether it be a Muslim not practicing Islam. So that's what after I did my hijra besides my dawa on the stage, we're involved in you know speaking with different heads.
>> We're not there to humiliate them. We're here to invite them.
>> It doesn't make see >> it's important to remember >> it doesn't make any it will not benefit you. There are already 100 people thousand people speaking against them.
>> Yeah.
>> What is it?
>> Huh? One thing is there you cannot support them for sure >> right >> instead of supporting speaking against them is better but the best is invite them >> because if they call you to to meet you and you're meeting them and you have an opportunity because you're a celebrity so you have to take advantage of and depending upon how close you are because I'm many heads of states Muslim country you know many so then depending how big a fan he is of yours you give that advice and Allah has blessed us that we okay some people listen to advice Some people don't, some people. So we have to do our job of just delivering the message whether he agrees or not. That's that's it. So Allah says Allah told the prophet in surah in surah kasha 8 verse 19 to 21.
>> I norally have a very good water.
>> Some water.
>> Sure. Sure.
>> So I'm I'm sure you get this all the time when you speak about Iran. They're going to say this or they're is going to say you're Shia, you're Sunni, you're Hanafi, you're Sufi, you're Salafi.
>> What are you?
>> I'm a Muslim.
>> Alhamdulillah.
>> If Allah says in the Quran in many places call and Muslims, you're a Muslim. There's no in the Quran call yourself Hanfi Shafi Maliki or a Shia or Sunni. I respect all the all the four IMifi imi Malik.
May Allah uh bless them all. They were great scholars. They never gave fatwas to being divisions. They came to explain the dean.
So if there's a difference in analysis of fake it's more than 90% are same in the 10% what they differ this you may be 5% more correct 7%. So all of them are 92 to 98% correct and the difference is on minor issues not a major issue >> right >> whether it is which is preferable where you keep your hand down or top okay I'll do research >> I will follow but I'll not give a talk where to keep the hand I will give a talk of pray >> right >> you should pray I don't give a talk where to keep your hand whether you rat or not >> I am very particular I am very strict in following I will wear the toes above the ankle correct but if someone differsing is is not a major sin I will not fight over that I'm very strict in my research And I follow Aruni to convince me difficult correct but if the difference no scholar said no I imam said if you don't keep your hand on top your salah won't be accepted or you don't do rafat so these are binary issues I won't plus points I'll do research but I don't give a talk on that I'll give a talk on you should pray so you should try and win so that is the reason the reason that the audience is large I I don't believe in getting disunityity like in India there are many sex in Islam and there was Some people some scholars dies used to speak against me literally abused me. Huh? So when we have the conference we have the largest conference in the world and one of the conference I called a person who's against me who literally abuses been public. I call him to give lecture on my stage. People are shocked. I said how come I said see there is no verse in the Quran or hadith which says if you speak again Dr. Zak you will not go to Jenna.
I don't know any correct. He's speaking on Allah and his rasool. I'll call him.
He's speaking against me. No problem.
Because there's no verse in the Quran that say if you speak against Dr. Zakai, you will not go to Jenna. I call him and once he comes on my stage on my also he speaks against me. Then he becomes my fan. Disunity gone.
>> Mhm.
>> And if someone abuses me does it make a difference to me?
>> In fact in my better I get plus points.
>> If someone abuses me falsely I get his good deeds. Correct. So if you we people should not be what will happen to my image today you know what will happen if he's abusing me so we should rather get unity so in this way when we started in India we had the largest conference so we call when we call people we call hanfi shafi humbly mali salafi you know of course we have our limitations we don't we won't call those who completely we feel gone out you know but these small differences and not that I have to agree with it so when you what am I said call in Muslim the verse I quoted to to you which says you should be a in the ending what it says say that I'm a Muslim so the best person is the one who calls people to Allah does righteous deed and say I'm a Muslim so there are empty number of places where Allah says call yourself a Muslim Muslim so if someone calls himself a shafi no problem because he's saying that I'm not a scholar I'm just following the teachings of one imam no There's no issue, >> right? But what did Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam what did he >> that's for me see he he pro he followed Quran and >> exactly >> later on these are great scholars >> because after the prophet passed away there were difference in interpreting the hadith >> or understanding the Quran and the differences are minor these four greats or if you follow any one of them inshallah you go to Jenna correct now the differences is not all say pray five times all say give charity all say zakat the difference may be in okay if you do this you'll you get.1% extra correct >> mhm >> how everyone says pray whether you keep your hand on top or down do research but that's >> because I want to score very high first you pass the exam if you're not praying you'll fail you know so so if you want to enter into medical college in India you require more than 95% you know so to get 80 marks is very easy after that 80 to 90 is difficult after 90 every 1% is difficult after 9 every.1% is difficult you understand so first you pass the exam >> so because We want a very high so we'll be very particular in the research but these are small differences >> right >> so once you start getting people together of different schools of thought and the Muslims and different races then you'll find the unity >> and then we wouldn't be kicked around like a football >> now we are being kicked around if we unite then we won't be >> we could be the kicker the kickers >> yes not we won't kick we'll win them we'll be the protectors >> the coach or the referee >> we don't like kicking we like okay >> you come play with us and >> that's when the unity is >> yeah that the reason we we always we always pray that you know see if you see the prophet when the two um were there who against Islam so so prophet prayed to Allah let one Omar accept Islam and kab accept it >> so that's how I used to say that you know that when I used to give lectures and George Bush and Tony B may Allah give his to one once I gave a talk in in UK in the early 2000 talk on unity and one of these people who I know the militant Muslims I in the group they get up and say mashallah very good lecture death to George Bush death to Tony full full talk of my god so I giving a talk on winning the non-Muslims now this person say mah Dr. very good that to bush that to >> then I said no no no this is not I say give them correct >> so I also say that may Allah give to Trump or give to Nanayu >> you know so then nothing better >> what is the difference between giving dawa to Hindus which you seem to be an expert in and Christians >> see I think the strategies of the Quran is the same but people know more of the Bible so to give dawa to a Christian becomes easier People don't know much about the scriptures of the Hindus because there are many dies who have worked including Shik Ahmed Dad have given talks on Islam and Christianity.
Very few dies have given talks on Islam and Hinduism. The first time when I gave a talk similarities in Islam and Hinduism they were fatwa against me. Dr. Zaki is saying the similarities between Islam and Hinduism impossible. In Dubai they took all the protest against me. I said at least to my talk after I give the talk if I've said one thing wrong in Quran. So now I can catch my color >> and I give a talk talk proving that even they talk about and giving all reference in Sanskrit. So there they aren't many talks on Islam and Hinduism.
>> Well you said that they talk about and Hinduism >> of course >> no they don't. almost not to not Hindu almost all the religions all the religion whether Hindu Judaism Christianity Hinduism partism Sikism all of them talk about and that's what the Quran says >> really so so after the scriptures got corrupted all scriptures except the Quran got corrupted but there are two major points I then all scriptures about and about Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam so all the script the all the religions if you read the scriptures somewhere or the other it's mentioned about and even mentioned about the coming of Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
>> Mhm.
>> What does it say in Hinduism about the coming of Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam?
>> About the prophecy of Muhammad multiple times more than the Bible.
>> More than the Bible the Bible is mentioned by name once said, >> right?
>> The Bible is mentioned by name once in in Hindu scriptures. More than 100 times is mentioned by name >> 100 times.
>> By name by name prophecies are more than that few hundred. So I've given a talk on prophet Muhammad peace be upon him mentioned in in the Hindu scriptures in one of the one of the khali purana chapter 2 verse number 5 7 11 14 15 17 it even says that his mother's name would be amina father's name would be Abdullah it says Vishnu if you translate that will be Abdullah he'll be born in city of peace that is Makkah he'll be born in the family of the chief of the city of Makkah He'll have four close companions.
>> He will fight against the devil. He'll have angels. You don't find in the Bible all this.
>> No.
>> So, but the problem is people did not do much research on the Hindu scriptures.
So, Shida told me that son I have done lot of Christianity why don't you study Hinduism? So, that's what you know he inspired me to study on Hindu scriptures. Then we did parti scriptures and the other scriptures and that's how now we're giving talks on comparative religion. What is the mention of the prophet in the Bible? It says that there will be one that will come 400 years later. Ahmed.
>> Yes. Yes. Many places. See by name is mentioned in the Solomon 5 16.
The word thereim in the intic languages you add him for respect like for Allah, Elohim for respect. So for Muhammad they added Mhammadim. But in the translation they write he's altogether lovely. So he mentioned my name otherwise references if the the the he's mentioned the old testament and new testament the most powerful the book of deuteronomy chapter chapter number 18 verse number 18. I can quote that will take two hours.
>> Yeah pretty ch 19. Then the book of Isaiah chapter number 12 verse number 29. Then in the new testament gospel of john 14:1 16. John chapter number 15 vers 26. Gospel of John chapter number 16 verse number 7. of chapter 16 verse number 11 to 14 the last one I have many things to say unto you Jesus Christ peace be upon me say I have many things to say unto you but he cannot bear them now for he when the spirit of truth shall come he shall guide you into all truth he shall not speak of himself all that he shall he speak so each reference you can speak for 10 minutes 20 minutes half an hour so I've given a separate talk on Mhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam in the Bible and there I mentioned many prophecies from the old testament from the new testament >> I know you have some questions as well.
I wanted >> Yeah. Well, I mean, talking about Hindu scriptures, uh, we had an experience yesterday where you want to ask them about that, but you know, were we >> so basically I'm just wondering what the major difference is about how to give da to them. So, you you said that the Hindus for example, they don't know the scriptures. Well, Christians, they'll know the Bible better, but is there really that much of a difference in speaking to them? Because Hindus, they believe in that there's three billion gods. Yes. Three three billion gods and there's >> 33 cr.
>> Three what?
>> 33 330 million.
>> That's what I heard, but he said three billion. So he got it wrong. He doesn't even know how many gods he believes in.
>> See, see when you quote ni when I tell I'll give you reference. Some people just say anything and exaggerate. So when you I tell the people be exact. For example, there is one of the gods Krishna. I don't say thousands of god yet 16,18.
So when I say 16,18 exact number and I give the reference where it is mentioned they this person authentic. So people sometime exaggerate. Now why you want to exaggerate when the scripture says 330 million? I have to say billion. So some of the people they don't remember >> they don't remember how many gods they believe.
>> No no no some of the dies when they criticize or when they you should be exact.
>> He wasn't he wasn't a die he was a Hindu.
>> Oh Hindu. No no Hindus. No see that is they may believe unlimited that different but the scripture mentions three million. You understand >> the scripture.
>> But he said there's three main like there's like a trinity for them.
Krishna, Vishnu and another one >> and Sha >> and the main one he was saying was the god of destruction. Sure. Sure.
>> Overall, is there a major difference in the communication or do you find it easier?
>> See, the strategy is the same. The >> strategy is the same.
>> The methodology is same but the information is different. For example, the master key for dawa is Iran 3:4 come to common terms has been ascended.
The starting of the versita meaning come to common terms has been ascended.
So always when you talk come to comment don't talk about differences if I attack the Bible if I attack the Quran I attack the Hindu scripture what benefit is for me >> so talk about the similarities >> so if I can give a talk of two hours on similarities I can give a talk of four hours on different >> so how do you talk about the similarities >> correct that's then you do research >> correct so when she start and among the similarities Allah says which is the most important Allah not Allah that you worship none but Allah so while talking about similarities because interested in science we can start with science but your main focus should be so I tell a guy you can start with if if he likes sports you start with sports if he likes literature starts with literature but your main focus should be you may convince him to be a good person be charitable you may convince him that not to have poke not to have alcohol but if I don't take away the shik from his life dawa is useless >> if that non-Muslim is Hindu or Christian leave pork leaves alcohol we'll go to Jenna no so I can talk other things but my main focus should worship Allah >> and then talking about so when I start dawa I will not directly jump to God I will talk about what he likes oh okay he likes science so Quran speaks about big man Quran speaks about that >> so for Christian it's easy because we know many speakers talking about the Bible and Bible in volume may be approximately three times more than the Quran in terms of volume >> like that >> Hindu scriptures are hundreds of times voluminous so it's difficult to read everything Bible to read is easy. So, so what I tell so when we have dawat training program we don't tell them to read the full bible we tell we we make them memorize certain verses of the these 15 are the most important then 15 then this 150 verses you memorize you can debate with the pope also so what we do we do a research what the Christian missionaries use to convince the Muslims >> to accept Islam that's a Christianity we we take them out and memorize them >> what verses they use to prove Prove Jesus is God. We memorize them.
>> Then what verses are required to do da hardly 150 200. Once you master them, they will come and tell you you know Jesus Christ said I and my father are one. Oh your quoting gospel of John chapter 10 verse 30. He's shocked. He knows the verse. He doesn't know the reference. So when the Christian mission comes and says that Jesus Christ peace be upon him said I am my father one. Oh so you're quoting gospel of John chapter 10 verse 30. He's shocked. He's not trained to give references. So when he's quoting his Bible as a Muslim wearing a cap and a beard, I quote his Bible, half the battle is won. He's shocked.
>> He's saying, "What is this person? I'm quoting the Bible." He's giving the reference. Then I give the context.
You're quoting out of context. Where is the context? Costic context starts from Gospel of John chapter 10 verse number 22 when Jesus Christ peace be upon him enters the temple of Solomon. So he's shocked. He only knows that one verse.
I'm telling him few verses afterwards and few verses later.
>> What is the context of that statement? I and the father one.
>> Oh, you want the context? Okay.
Everything that's true. I can it'll take time. I have time. So the thing is that see they say I and my father one trying to prove that Jesus Christ came divinity. So if you read the context from verse number 22 gospel of John chapter 10. It says that Jesus Christ entered the temple of temple of Solomon on the porch and the Jews surrounded him and they asked him that if thou if thou art the Christ tell us plainly. So Jes Christ let us know.
>> If thou if thou art the Christ tell us plainly tell us plainly plainly. If thou art the God. So he said I told you but you know me not. For those who follow me they know me. They follow me and they obey me. And the work that I do speaks about my father. So now he's giving the context Jesus Christ peace be upon him.
He's giving he's giving the context that you don't know me but my followers know me. Those who know me, they believe me, they follow me and they obey me. Huh?
Then verse number 27, my father is greater than all. My father who give it to me is greater than all.
They saying that father almighty god.
>> So saying we're one is like one message.
>> I'll come to it once I come to verse 30.
We'll come to so he says that the father who gives it to me is greater than. And then he says I and my father are one.
That means he's telling father talking about God. I and my God are one in purpose. He said that no man can plug them out of my hand. Verse number 27 Jesus Christ says no man can plug them out of my hand. My father who give it to me is greater than all. No man can plug them out of my father's hand. He's talking about the disciples. I and my father Aan. He's talking about in purpose in delivering the message.
>> Okay.
>> Of God. You understand now? Right?
>> So if I say I and my father are one, my father is a medical doctor. I'm a medical doctor. So if I say I and my father are one, doesn't mean that we are one one human being >> but one purpose.
>> We have one as medical doctors. Correct?
>> Yeah.
>> So here okay it doesn't end there. Then then verse number 31 says the Jews pick up stone to stone him when he says and my father one. So he says for which of the works do you stone me? So the Jews reply you claim to be God.
>> The Jews are telling they also misunderstood that Jesus is claiming divinity. Verse number 33 says it is mentioned in the scripture the person to whom the word has come is called as God.
>> He are gods. So it's telling that a person who the word has come God means small god. So he's a person of god. So he's trying to say that in purpose we are same not as one entity. And then furthermore, if you see in gospel of John chapter 17, Jesus Christ peace be upon him says to his disciples whose 12 is you and me, we are one. Same one is used here.
>> So does it mean that there are 13 gods?
>> Based off that the disciples would also be God.
>> Yeah. Yes. So we have to give context.
>> Yeah.
>> So we have question answer session which we encourage. Normally in religious lectures when a person gives a lecture he doesn't enter in question answer session because that is the best part to know how much knowledgeable the speaker is to give a talk is easy you can memorize any talk any book and vomit it out correct >> the best is question answer session and in the question answer session when you give quotation the battle is won >> what's interesting is basically the Christians who are using that to claim Jesus is divine they're making the same mistake that the Jews made when they thought that >> correct >> the one the Jews that stoned or tried to stone Jesus there are the making the same mistakes the Christians are making today.
>> Correct.
>> Wow.
>> And what about they say uh Jesus says I am the way, the truth and the >> correct. This is from Gospel of John chapter 14 verse number 6.
>> Okay.
>> See you quoted. I'm giving the reference.
>> Yeah.
>> So this is the training.
>> Sorry one more time I'll I'll study later. I don't want to repeat.
>> I said you said you told me the J said the truth in my life. So I said this reference is of gospel of John chapter number 14 verse number 6.
>> 14 verse number six. I'm giving the reference of what you quoted.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Gospel of John. John chapter 14 verse 6. Verse number six. Correct.
For context, go to verse number one.
>> Yeah.
>> And I am the way, the truth, and the life. You tell me. Correct.
>> So verse number one says that in my father's house are in my father's house are many mentions. See, I'm going there I'm going there to prepare a place for you. Jesus is telling the disciples now.
Okay. If you love God, if you love me also that if you have trust in God, trust me also. I'm going to prepare a place for you. So Thomas asks and he says you know where I go. Thomas says we don't know where you go.
>> Thomas is saying to Jesus you we don't know where you're going. Then he says I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but through me. Mhm.
>> Now in all religions even in Islam the messenger at that time was the truth, the way and the life. No man came to God but through the messenger. So at the time of Moses, Moses peace be upon him was the way, the truth and the life. No man came to God but through Moses. At the time of Jesus, so we agree with that 100%. At the time of Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Jesus was the way, the truth and the life. No man came to God but through Jesus peace be upon him. At the time of Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasall so it is we agree with it. It's not wrong.
So he's the way and the truth. That doesn't make him God. That makes him a person of God. Makes him a messenger of God. Mhm.
That's uh unbeatable. And it gets I think what the important thing to keep reiterating is that when you memorize a script, you study their gameplay.
>> Yes.
>> The game plan the same way Mike Tyson is watching his opponent before he gets in there. telling all so >> and so you know what's going to come >> so in our training what we do all these famous mission what they quote we memorize so when they come you're prepared >> not that I'm half of the Bible I don't know the Bible by heart but I know what they're going to speak so people think I'm half of the Bible I'm not half the Bible >> I don't know full Bible by heart but I know those verses which are important for that >> does anybody know the Bible by heart >> I don't think so >> I don't think there's one Bible hist don't think it exists >> even doesn't know the Bible by heart >> right do you ever find it difficult as A personal question with dealing with the disbelievers and the kafer and the enemies of Islam.
Does your dean get corrupted communicating with these people? Cuz right now this is a a form of hr in a way going to Malaysia and this and I'm way more at peace around the Muslims but I'm from New York and there's physical attacks, there's mental attacks, there's people constant, there's evil eye and you get pulled away from the dean and and it's it's it's your fault. But the difference between, you know, Ramadan when you're in Medina, Mecca around the believers and then back home in the land of the disbelievers, it's very, it's the polar opposites and you having dealt with all these people. How do you protect your iman from the people that want to destroy it?
>> See, that's very important.
>> Uh, number one, you should realize that for a D, see, for a normal Muslim praying five times is fur, but for the prophet, six time was fur. Even the Taj >> Taj prayer >> the late night prayer >> you didn't sleep sleep much you slept three hours at night and then woke up for that prayer >> the exact is not mentioned but he used to sleep less I know because but you sleepless the Quran says he used to stand up and pray one third of the night sometime half the night sometime two3 of the night >> that's what the Quran says so now you have to understand that for a I tell him that even praying taj is important that the time in tajut you pray in the last one third of night as much as you can with half an hour 1 hour 2 hours 4 hours five as much as you can >> you pray every Yes. For me and >> you sir.
>> Yes.
>> It's not a fur but it for me I made it a fur on me and and the more we pray better you know 1 hour two or three hours. So depending upon you know so and in all the activities in the day the maximum spend time is on salah on average about five and a half hours in a day if I count all the five salsa.
>> Salah is five and a half hours every day for you.
>> Totally in a day mean counting the salah I go for the salah every salah about half an hour then >> five and a half every day. I thought salah supposed to be uh 30 minutes about in total. Well, you do owe that extra prayers.
>> No, no, no, no. Yes, of course extra prayers you can finish in 30 minutes easily but if you use extra prayers total 50 four I can give the breakdown and plus I confirm that I'm at the voodoo I go down and come up. So each salam may take 30 minutes and then the taj of course average 2 hours sometimes three hours sometime four hours sometime 5 hours in the night. So the more you do it's better it is. So now to protect yourself you should be realize that especially people like you who are celebrities. Number one sometimes the fame comes to your head.
The fame gets the better of you the fame.
So for celebrities we should always remind them that the Satan is trying to target those who are more successful in their de. So I pray to Allah every night that please save me from the sh from the Satan from the shaitan from tempting >> so do I that's my number one >> so that's we remember our our great may Allah be with him we had large audience thousand that time thousand is great so once when large audience come and he says wow what a large audience the moment the thought came he closed his book and didn't give the talk you know so that to kill his to kill his uh ego and it happens with that when you see you Like I remember when I was young one of my imag,000 people in Birmingham. So my aim was to get 12,000 people. I I'm talking about myself. When I was young, oh I want to get a gold medal in sports, you know.
Then Allah made me a long distance 10 km. I got gold medal. Then I say sh okay shik largest audience is Birmingham 12,000. That's my target.
But that's nothing. So that become the immediate target. But then when we get more experienced these are these are not a milestones the milestone is to please Allah. So coming back to it when you're doing dawa there may be times when people may put difficult questions to you and there are time that you may feel like oh what's happened you know it may even question your iman.
So number one you should always have people around you also in consultation with you that if such questions are put you should know someone who's close to you who can reply sometimes very dangerous >> while doing that especially now in the age of atheism you know there are debates going on and they may attack certain questions and of course there are certain questions which when I pose like when I came across I pose many of the Muslims we put too of course we don't tell that in public we only talk to scholars about that you know So you while doing dawa you should have someone who you should be in the company or you know who knowledgeable who can help you in the situation or it can take you out of the fold of Islam you understand now because you're in the limelight and everyone is there trying to attack you and they may say something which may sound very lo and I've got so my main specialtity is now that when I have the weekly question session I have a question session ask Dr. Zak uh twice a uh a month. So first and third Saturday I handle uh second and fourth my son handle as Dr. Zak. So we get about 20,000 questions in a week. Out of that my staff doesn't read all they read 4 5,000 they give me 100 questions from that I answer about 20. So I pick up those questions which are mainly not on not on sick how to pray and all that everyone is doing on those questions which attack Islam logically. For example, Allah is in my game. Okay, he has knowledge. If Allah has all the knowledge, then why are you why you asking dua? Allah knows a logical question. Correct. If Allah knows what's in your heart, why should you ask? Allah should give you without asking very logic. So these are questions which answers are not there in the book of fake. It's not the religious book. It's about mental. It's it's about logic. So I'm more involved in picking up those questions which are attacking the de logically.
scientifically. So that's my specialtity. One is compared to religion is we did that because these questions may not come in general public. So when we get 20,000 questions, we select those which are difficult questions. So how to reply to them is a different art.
>> So when you're doing dawa, there may be times when someone mistake out something some mistakes in the Quran which which maybe the ground will be taken away from your feet. It has happened for me. If someone ask a question against Islam, I don't go to sleep until I get the answer. That's my that's my nature. So I remember in the early days of my dawa.
So out of the question till I don't get the answer, I'll not sleep. Of course now getting experience meeting so many people. So all these questions have become in thousands and so Allah helps us. So therefore if you're doing dava and so you should always be in touch with good company. Fine. And you may have your other friends >> but especially for dava you should be in the company of knowledgeable people. You should have contact you should have their phone number. It should not be that suddenly you get you know off guard and then it has happened many times.
Many of the they're good but they are caught on the wrong foot and it becomes a disaster.
>> So keep people of knowledge around you.
>> Always always keep people who are better than you and who are more Islamic in your company.
>> Mhm. As the prophet said hadith that if you are in the company of a coal smith then you'll get the coal on your shirt on your hand. If you're in the company of a perfume person who's selling perfume perume like >> I know you had a lot more.
>> So uh I wanted to ask you what do you believe the da scene is missing today from your experience?
>> It's not missing. I cannot say missing.
It is there but of course it should be better. Da is not missing. Like look what what can be better from the da that you see today? Oh >> what can be better?
>> See now because of science and technology the the core core of method is the same but the medium may change see number one and the ter direct dhava that's it direct da can be of three types broadly. One is one to one. One is giving a group, one is giving a lecture in public like that of the prophet. The one to one is the most effective. I'll just give an example. If I speak, suppose a person is a very expert D and he speaks two hours with a non-Muslim, 10 different non-Muslims. If he's a very expert good D, maybe he'll convince one. It's not possible to convince 10 Muslim. This is all nonsense. Some people say, okay, I can convert a person in 10 is all nonsense.
But if he's a very good D, if he speaks two hours with 10 different individuals, 20 hours, if he's very good, maybe he'll convince one. Correct? So the effectiveness is 10%. If he's giving a talk in a group of 100 people, correct?
Maybe he'll convince two people in that one talk of so the effectiveness is 2%.
But here in 20 in in 10 hours, he's conversing con convincing one person. Here if you give 10 lectures he's converting 20 people but effectiveness is 2% out of 100 two accepting Islam. Here the effectiveness 10%. So one to one dhava the effectiveness is more but the reach is less.
Do you understand? Effectiveness is 10%.
>> Mhm.
>> 10%. Why?
Then if you giving a group effectiveness is 2%.
>> But the time required is less.
>> Mhm. So in their 20 hours I'm convincing one person. Effectiveness is 10%. In group effectiveness two person but in 10 hours I'm convincing 20 people.
>> Mhm.
>> Correct. If I'm doing a public lecture thousand people maybe five will accept Islam.
>> Mhm.
>> Effective is.5%.
>> Maybe not immediately but the ideas and the knowledge stays with them.
>> No I'm saying hypothetically. Yes that's different. One is he hears my some that different. I'm not talking about generally just hypothetical situation >> right >> that a person doesn't know about Islam to convince him to are difficult but someone is an expert >> right >> so I'm effectiveness one to one is more but as as the audience keeps on increasing reach increases effectiveness decreases but I would prefer giving lecture in public I convince more so you keep the one to one for celebrities because one president or a king or a prime minister is equal to thousand people I wouldn't want to convince a person like I'll call the king in a public come in a lecture and you'll hear my lecture the effectiveness is.5% there I prefer calling one to one because if I convince him as as I'm convincing thousand you understand so the prophet also spoke to the head of the one to one you understand now so now when you go to media when you go to media on the on the on the Facebook we having more people 100,000 1 million 10 million on the satellite 100 million their effectiveness is 0001% but they reach 200 million or 100 million or 1 million you So effectiveness goes down but the reach increases net result is better on the media. M >> so therefore previously I used to meet everyone individually when I was starting but as the demand keeps on increasing I meet one to one less >> but I would love to meet but I cannot if I start meeting everyone one to one to meet me even if I have in a day a thousand hours I cannot meet everyone correct >> so then we call them to puta mosque there in just 5 minutes I meet about 100 people after the mosque people come I cannot refuse you understand then some people come to this mosque after I meet for 2 minutes some people like we call the government spending hours also you understand now so effectiveness is more onetoone but the but the reach becomes less so same thing in media now coming back to your question media we have to utilize media but I cannot say I will target my media with the president no on the way in the group if you hear that accept alhamdulillah but if someone is going to give me a time I can speak to this president or this prime minister one to one or would you prefer I'll call him for the lecture if he's giving two hours I will say one to one is better why lecture you concern >> 1:1 the effectiveness is 10%.
In the group 2%, in a lecture.1%.
On the on the social media 01 but the reach is so much. So now we have three types of training. One is we have a school where we train for 15 years how to become a dy right from nurseries and age three to A levels.
Then then we have other training programs which is for 45 days and the best is peace TV millions are watching but the effectiveness dies I get so many I just two days back someone gave me send me a video of the sun guy I never heard of him so he got inspired by my so there are every time every day how many accepting Islam we don't know tens hundreds every day in a talk I can't do that one to one I cannot so because of my satellite and the med every day hundreds accepting Islam >> so every day. Alhamdulillah. And how many Muslims are becoming D? Hundreds.
>> Even if our training program, how can I train them? Do >> you understand? And the material is there. If he wants to search it, I have to waste me. You waste my time. He searches. Okay. This lecture, that lecture, there are a few hundred lectures of mine.
So how to d them? So all are important.
Book is important, video is important, internet is important, social media is important. Each one has its own pros and cons. I cannot say no I become popular say I will not meet anyone onetoone no one to one is also important so depending upon who you're meeting what is the effectiveness I would prefer one to one then ask him to watch my video >> and do you watch dawa content right now like are you currently >> of other speakers few >> do you mind sharing >> see all the top all the top dies I know personally any top anyone that reaches more than 1 minute is on our channel >> and most of them have come almost all of the dies all the top have come here and then eat you understand and then of course we have our own system so previously of course like we had the largest conference in the world I can show you a documentary of that is the largest conference if you see mah 250,000 people and the stage is massive 13,000 ft stage like it competes with the Hollywood you know so it was my desire to have a program utilizing the technology of the Hollywood for halal activity it was my desire to have the conference once but then we had it every year >> then the band came and we had to lift so we for 5 years.
>> Do you do you miss being out there in the front lines?
>> Of course. See, Bombay was different.
See, India was battlefield. I missed that because you can't get that much audience, that much technology, that many people. You can get in some countries like Bangladesh and Indonesia.
But India was wonderful and the question that we received from there and 25% of my audience was not Muslims were there 25%. So the so the questions we got it gave us more food for thought you know.
So more people attack alike.
So that makes us come more closer to Islam and help them also come mash.
>> How effective is the shahada? Sometimes you can give dawa to somebody and convince them >> and then they they'll say shahada and then I see them again a year later.
>> I see, oh hey, I remember you and he says, "Oh yeah, I remember I took shahada with you." I'm like, "How are you?" He's like, "Well, you know, I'm not practicing or anything." So yes, he did take shahada in the moment and they believe but if they're not around the right situations and surroundings and they're not actually any better a lot of the times >> for giving shada there are mainly two broad categories one is who you have met many times maybe he's coming to your organization 10 20 times he's asked he he maybe had 10 talks with me 10 talks with other guys and you know this person is convinced over a period of few months now when I'm giving a talk someone comes on the on the mic and says I want to give shada I've seen your lecture for the past two years so I'm not going to question it I accept it but when he says he's been seeing my lectures for the past two years that means it's not a one time sometimes you meet people on the spot and then tell him to take shada the chances he remain is very less so I don't I'm not in favor of meeting a person the first time unless he has seen my videos for the past maybe several months or several years but I'm p I'm meeting a person for the first time and hears about and I explain to him Islam and and I may convince him to read the shada but the chances he'll be as a practice Muslim is very less I'm not in favor of asking anyone just in the meeting to shada unless I know that he he has been listening to other speakers or you know so there are people who just go out on the street and uh but I'm not against it also I'm not against it also why because you never know many people who take for name sake shada or because they love a Muslim girl and they take shada But yet afterwards they may become practicing.
>> So it's not wrong but I don't normally encourage myself directly but if someone who takes a shada and maybe he meets what happens later on he may meet someone and then he may start to practice Islam. So depending on how you give shad is very important but generally just going out in the market and talking and asking the shada it's not that it's not effective in the long run it's not wrong but the chances that he'll stay. So therefore there are many people do shad online and I've done a survey on this >> there are dies who speak online dawa they talk they call how many shadas I give in the fully 500 shada you call him again 99% are not there so just talking to someone online for few minutes and giving shada I'm not in favor of that you understand so there are many dies who are who do online at random they keep on calling and they take shada and they have what videos of that so once I did a survey I told one one person who was expert in this. I said do one thing.
Last year all those people you gave shada call them and tell me how many people are hit Muslims.
So he said I was able to all those are contacted more than 95%. Are gone and the 5% which I spoke to who say they are there they also doubtful. So that was not that easy for for someone to change his full dean overnight. So it's a process which takes time.
>> Mhm.
So we should not be deceived. We should not be so much running after how many shaz you give.
>> So people are more I said take 1% is sufficient.
>> The prophet said it's like a red camel you know.
>> So many of times people go more on how many views I've got, how many subscribers I've got, how many followers I've got, how many shadas I take. It should be more of quality rather than quantity.
>> Quality or quantity. And no even if you convince problem is like suppose you may go to a village in Africa it's very easy to make the full village give shada in Africa you give them some food they say shada morning they're Muslim evening they're Christian next morning again they are Muslim so this for me you know you understand now >> so there are many people who do I'm not so much I said you do say it is haram but I'm not in favor of s I proper dawa like okay you have in your television screen the person is coming and you're listening for so many you know you can go back and check references that's the true thing you know it's not that you cannot change your faith will you change your faith in just 10 minutes or no it's not possible once in a blue moon okay so therefore I prefer more dhawa should be continuous process maybe through friends or through you know uh on the social media or on the television or on the satellite >> so so now for dhawa the difference should be that I tell lies now and including yourself my advice would be that certain of your programs take in high quality. This is camera is good but good for social media because we want our work to be sawari after we die. Mhm.
>> So certain programs we record in high quality film of a good talks. So after you die you'll get sawara. So my thing all my big programs are I take my own team when I travel I have 50 people with me but not for every time >> when it's a big program so that and we edit it properly so that even after and then we store it on a high quality >> on 8K and then we downgrade it to HD >> compressor. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Compressor because original quality we we maintain in LTO9 LTO 10 has come sorry LTO 10.
>> Do you think this quality is good?
>> I can see the camera. It's good for social media. Very good.
>> But overall it's not topnotch. Not for social media. Very good. But see, just by looking at the camera, I can go my field. Media is my field. I'm well versed with Oh, this is good. Very good for the >> for social media. Very good.
>> You surprised you know yourself a lot more than I thought you would.
>> See our our mic >> Yeah.
>> will our camera stand will more expense than a full equipment. My camera stand cost me $25,000.
>> Only my c tripod how much?
>> $25,000.
>> $25,000.
>> US dollar. Only tripod.
>> Not rupee. A dollar.
>> Huh? No, no, not dollar, >> US dollar.
>> Of course, I get a good discount from all these people because they know me.
So only my stand and my lens is $150,000. My body is only $80,000. Then my microphone is also expensive. You understand? But this is for high quality. So what we feel so we call the speakers for a conferences and they know when we come to Dr. Zakalas if he records he's going to secure >> the best thing that's important.
>> And when we call them, we give them economic most of them business. said no I travel in economy I can afford business class I prefer traveling economy so that and business class is normally five times more expensive than economy I can afford it I can afford a private jet also to fly Allah has given that wealth >> but but the problem is that if I travel in economy I can give four other dies economy to dawa somewhere else so we believe in supporting th you understand now so when we call no ths interest for business class to me other organizations around business class but to me they'll So we and but we give them good hotels, best fivestar hotels because the cost of a ticket is more expensive and I know how to manage. I get good discounts everywhere not because I'm because I say that I'll give you good business. So we have the best of so our conference is the most expensive conference in the world. We spend $5 million for one conference but the rate we get is so cheap for fivestar hotels for but we have own policy.
I said I don't know any guy who will buy who so rich to buy business class himself. The demand is different. You understand now? So the thing is is that I can afford but I prefer like a lifestyle for that should be simple. My demand >> less to take from you if you don't have a lot of things. If you don't have a big home and Ferraris and all this stuff >> no one can twist my arm that says this say that I don't I don't twist your arm.
Therefore, when a person says, as I told you, one of the person told me that he wants to charge for my ticket. He wants to pay me a million dollar, $1 million and he'll charge. I said, what? I don't want to lose my saba. I'm getting saw from Allah for giving lecture free.
It is not haram to charge. It's allowed in Islam. But why should I take a lower level?
>> So, do I have to get rid of my Rolls-Royce? No, I'm just kidding. Don't don't see that. See if our talks now when I give talks there are many billionaire sitting in the front door.
So I said owning is not haram depending how much you own. So if you're earning a lot of money and then if you own a rosa it can come in ma category. In Islam there are five categories. Haram prohibited >> maku >> makru discouraged mouba that is optional no plus no negative then sunnah or mustab and one is fur. In fur you have to do it. If you don't do it you get negative points like praying salah. Sunnah if you do you get plus points. If you don't do no negative points for examp you can become doctor you can become as long it's not haram. Muba makru is like if you do it if you do it then you don't get negative point but if you don't do it you get positive point. For example standing and thinking what is sunnah sitting is better. So if I stand and drink it is makru but no negative point and haram means if you do it negative point if you don't do it positive point.
So Rolls-Roy so if you really earn maybe a few million dollar a month see normally when you're poor you require at least 20 month salary to buy a car the moment you keep on getting richer I mean this is my analysis if you're a poor man you require two years salary to buy a car but if you're medium rich 5 months to if you're super rich no one buys a car for his uh for his monthly earning also whether it be Bill Gates they may be earning millions per month but they But the car is much cheaper than that.
So it'll be a weekly salary. So depending how rich you are, >> can you afford a roso or not?
>> So if you see a monthly salary, if you can afford, as long as you're paying zakat and you're giving charity and doing the far, it becomes muba.
>> But if you can afford and you don't buy, then you must do you understand what I prefer giving charity. I'd prefer having a Toyota and that much whether the because our Rolls-Roy cost about 2 million Saudi that was Ghost 202 model you know we had the Phantom it's a nice car >> we and in Lamborghini we had Urus >> yours yeah >> we had and in Bentley we had the uh Bentega sport >> Bentega and the and >> a Bugatti.
>> No, no, Bugatti is too expensive. We didn't buy the Bugatti. No, >> Bugatti is only covered in >> the others we had. So, so we had the Mayback. So, it's a stinky car anyway.
>> So, a flying spur. Flying spur.
>> Yeah.
>> Then we had the Mayback.
>> So, these are the super luxury cars all for business because during the during the World Cup in Qatar, we thought we make good money. So, that's how we invested then. And then we had the other cars, you know, S450. So, a cheapest car that I had was E200. that was three times more expensive than my Toyota Innova.
>> So when I went to meet my daughter in in Katar which you are studying in HBK I took the E200 but I was a little bit uncomfortable as a D E200. So then I purchased a Camry for myself then.
>> But do you think it's not good for Dies to roll in style? Cuz nowadays we see the culture they're attracted to these type of >> Correct. Correct. Now you tell me you're doing dava. You're telling me rosy? I'm saying I have a roso. I'm not traveling.
Which is more dava? I own a rosoy and I don't travel rosy. Which is better for dava?
>> I'm telling this not to show off.
>> It's my purpose for doing dha. So people ask me why are you telling this? I'm telling tell the world that even can own all these.
>> I'm not telling to show off.
>> My main aim is dha. But when I tell this to those people after money, oh Dr. There's a quote from Muhammad Ali >> where he says that he was braggadocious and that he was uh a showman because people wouldn't listen to him without all the jewelry and fancy things. Is there any credibility to this statement?
>> See yes at one time I do agree like you see many people many people normally I I know many >> especially American people too.
>> No no I know many billionaires in the world.
>> They're my fans.
I know many billionaires and some of them cannot travel in a car less than Rolls-Roy Bentley. They cannot they will not sit in a in a in a Toyota because that's against if they travel in they go to hotel they want the presidential suit. So that is the problem. I said imagine he's miskin he's poor means he's recognized by his roso I'm recognized in my kapa pajama for zak who's better >> that means you require a rosoid for people to recognize that you are a billionaire correct for me my ka pajama people recognize me and I meet even precedence in this no problem it should not be obscene you understand so who is better you're dependent that means you are dependent for people to recognize you because you have a rosa or because they have a big villa >> and you're nothing without without anything I am for myself I am what I am >> they're coming to meet me not my house not my Rolls-Royce so the thing is the reason I'm telling this is just to say normally I tell lies not to do business they're difficult Allah has blessed me I'm doing many businesses so I'm telling this not to show off to tell that see all this wealth is there but nothing that is not my recognition >> we have we have really ke these things that's for my business but when we call a die we give him good facilities except the is too much. Not that we can't afford it but we said we don't but we give them best of hold and we get a good discount. So when the dies come for a confer they have Mayback and Bentley we let them drive also they're shocked to give them a taste and let us taste it so that tomorrow you should not crave for it >> let it go out of your head so in I think in 2014 I took him to Dubai and let him drive all the cars that way and that's what I said that you know we have studed the best of hotels but when I travel I have my own policy I never spend more than $110 per room in a fivestar hotel anywhere in the world I've been to USA 2010 in the past. I have stayed in hotels which cost $5,000 a day when the other people call me. But when I pay, I have a policy that shoes should be cheap. This is so that you know, make your lifestyle simple. And that helped us. When I did hijra, we were zero.
I didn't know anything for one and a half year. And then we started again.
Allah has blessed us.
Have they ever tried to I'm sure you've got attacks. You get the shadow bans, the government. Have they ever tried for your life?
uh to tell you frankly so far except in the early days when I started dawa there was someone would come with a knife and all but there's no case of any attack on me but of course of course I've been on the list of many things but Allah has been very has been very kind and I've been on the many lists >> but alhamdulillah >> that's actually wanted what I wanted to ask like what do you believe are the consequences that you face for speaking the truth in your country.
>> I am praying to Allah let me get shada.
Correct. How can I get shada if I die if someone kills me because I'm a that is shada. So I pray for that and there's no higher level of death than shada. I'm not afraid of it. But but natur I wouldn't like to die and not do anything but I'm doing something good and if I have to so I leave it to Allah.
Of course we take precautions. We have got security but that is more from the fan than the I've got security but they have more from the fan. I go to command who stay next to you but that is more from the fans than you know when you go to the mos they they mop you and they you know so we have got but that is because see the people who are our enemies then we got a great security to protect but of course so we have to take care not that we should not take care of security you know >> do you miss India >> of course I mainly miss dhava in India >> because the dhava the way at the magnitude we used to do there is something phenomenal and having the audience there intelligent in Bombay asking questions and everything you know. So of course that I miss but here we're having a different being in Malaysia is a different altogether for doing dawa meeting.
>> What advice would you give to future dies that want to share the message of Islam with the world?
Uh number one that be as close to the Quran as soon as possible because there are some dies who preach who quote the Quran but when it comes to personal life they may not be you know they may talk have to be kind but they may not be kind to the employees and they may talk something but they may not. So one thing on the speaking on the stage. So Allah says in surah chapter 15 verse number two do not preach what you do not practice >> especially those eyes who become more famous and also that's one thing and make your life simple and and uh it's not haram to charge for doing any activity but I feel leave it to Allah to do your PR and your publicity you know.
So we have never charged never even I pay for the tea the uh in my organization as a lum sum even the tea I have of course I can have tina I'm the president of the organization but I will pay for that suppose if I give uh a dinner to to my guest 10 people and if I eat outside in the restaurant I divide the bill by 10 and I give that so that you know I want to be you know out of it. So if you make your life simple and try and help other people more. So if Allah has given you there are very few thuff in the world today very few >> very few. So we have a policy of supporting any d of first we support a lot. We in a better position before now it's a different position financially.
So we support others. So imagine if you Allah has given you maybe you have a business you're doing very well. So if you reduce and give it so imagine what pleasure you'll be getting >> that Allah has given me wealth which is halal from that I'm cutting down I'm not telling you to walk and have a cycle you know walk on the high have okay travel but economy of course once you start traveling in a first class the luxury of a first class of A380 is so good that you don't like to travel in a in a economic class so that is saying that once you have tasted that luxury of traveling in a first class suite in A380 especially in the way you get a full blood you can have a shower in it and then you have the money and yet you're traveling in economic class you want so the the pleasure you feel is very good Allah helps with that >> so make your so people are shocked Dr. I have an economic class.
You understand that?
>> So the thing is is that let your life be simple like the prophet >> while doing dawa. And I agree with you that when you're talking about correct rosoy that is the reason I'm talking about my camera. Why my camera is more expensive than >> so I'm telling I'm using this wealth for sake of Allah.
>> Imagine you understand the the people that own this camera much less than people own.
So I'm saying this is my Rolls-Roy. My camera >> and 18.
>> How many? 18.
>> It's horrible.
>> So this is my Rolls-Roy. So then we make it known to the people that we don't care for money. We don't care for luxury. We care for Allah.
>> So then when you say that Allah has blessed you. I don't know of any DOS on top on the high level. Allah is blessing me by making me on and I'm not spending time less than I give less than 1 hour a day. for my on my less than one hour a day. Recently recently when I did business in real estate I did business in real estate in in in four months I hardly invested about 13.8 8 million dirham that's about uh less than about $4 million and we made a profit of about $17 million in four months five times five times and 51% you calculate because my share was there we give $10 million as charity >> now what won't that get me more happiness $10 million charity I'm giving in a matter of four months four to five months >> $10 million this house is nothing $125,000 house so when I give $10 million as v for charity The amount of happiness it is unbelievable. So what is better showing off my role or showing off my this >> less is more I mean quality is see what the prophet if you see the likes of Kulfar. So when they know this person he's so famous he's earning money and yet living a simple life having a simple watch you know I get watches I get watches of Rolex and Patrick Philip as gifts this is only $30 watch not that I can't afford it you understand we get gifts I got a gift of Bentley once Bentley car as gift I sold it and give in charity >> you understand >> do you think for the D living in luxury could corrupt their heart >> of course can >> if you're earning the way I'm earning it's not haram but then why not do mustab why not do something which is encouraged.
We spoke about unity especially with the UMA right now and how important that is and I I like the the point you made that even though we have minor differences in the face of the greater enemy you forget your minor differences >> minor difference major differences >> forget the major difference not minor differences >> major differences >> minor differences normal >> at this point forget major differences >> okay >> because with with Iran we have major difference not minor differences >> what about the major differences and that's a great correction the major differences between the Christians for example I saw there was a great display of unity where the pope just was in Algeria and he's walking in the mid and he's saying that maybe we shouldn't live in fear of the Muslims. Maybe the Catholics can live in peace with the Muslims and he's getting backlash from the evangelical Christians in America.
>> These people are saying, well, Trump is saying that the pope is weak on crime and the pope is he's depicting himself as Jesus and he's saying that the pope doesn't know what he's talking about.
The pope shouldn't speak about the war.
He doesn't know.
>> Is there some sort of unity we could find with Catholics? Because the pope has made the right efforts to try to show at least a message of peace.
>> Of course, we should we should appreciate that. We should come to common terms. We should we should appreciate what is good always.
And the best is when we are at peace, we can do better da.
And especially when the pope is talking something about Islam, even though we know he may have another agenda, we should take it to to our advantage.
>> What can his other agenda be?
>> Sorry. No. If he has a hypothetically he doesn't have I don't know about this pope even if he has >> so we should take advantage of the commonalities >> right >> like when I meet a Christian I say Islam is the only non-Christian faith which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus Christ peace be upon him >> no Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus Christ peace be upon him we believe that he was one of the mightiest messengers of God we believe that he was born miraculously without any intervention we believe that he gave life to the dead with God's permission we believe that he healed those born blindly with God's permission so no so we have to get the common narratives.
So even if they talk different say we should win them is important that's how you can to dawa >> dawa can be done more in the time of peace than in a time of war that is the reason prophet tookia at the time you know they asked for conditions which were so absurd if you know the surah you know so prophet wanted peace and because of that Islam split >> and what sort of relationship should I or should people find with Christian because there is the verse in the Quran where Allah says says in the Quran, "Never will the Jews and Christians be accepting of you until become one of them." But it also says >> 120.
>> Yes. And it it also says that the the true Christians are the ones that will be the most peaceful >> around the Muslims. I don't remember the exact word he Allah uses, but he says that the the true Christians will be uh what is the word?
>> Ones that hear the words of Allah.
>> The closest to the believers are those who say we are Christians. are Christians.
>> Yes. And the furthest among them >> chapter five chapter 5 was 82.
>> I asked this because the majority of my audience are Christians. It's not even Muslim majority. I live in America too and they resonate with a lot of the the core things.
>> No, I feel you should keep on talking about the similarity. Don't talk about differences. For example, in your talk, if you make it a point to get this statement that Islam is only non-Christian faith which makes an article of it to believe in JSP upon we believe. So if you see these five six sentences it will bridge gaps irrespective of what type of Christian they are you understand >> and then of course that's the verse of the Quran talking about surah bakar 2 vers 11 that they say you shall never enter Jenna unless you become a Jew or a Christian this is a wishful thinking produce your proof and one verse of surah bakar chapter 2 verse 120 which it says that they will never accept unless you become a Jew or a Christian. So these two verses are what he's saying and the verse in which he says in surah Maida 5:82 that the closest the the furthest to the Muslims among the Alab are the Jews and the closest are those who say that we are Christians.
>> So the furthest one is of the Jews it says >> yes the Quran. Okay.
>> And the closest or the >> Okay.
>> Cuz the Jews reject Israel. They decide to stone him as a messiah.
>> They stone him as he was saying earlier when he said, "I and the father are one."
>> And what sort of unity will there be?
And this is an a question of esquetology. But it says that the Christians and Muslims will unite against uh you know the common enemy in the end of times.
>> There'll be there'll be a time yes where Muslims with them against the Jews.
When can we is this going to be again I did kind of ask you this earlier.
There's no way we can know.
>> You don't know exactly but the times are coming.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. And the other questions I I would ask about Shia and simple things. But I think important takeaway here that I can see from your answers is that it's more more important to focus on commonalities rather than differences. And it seems like your da style is so effective. And I could imagine your talks with Hindus, you don't focus or try to be condescending or oh, you believe in this many gods. And I'm realizing now I could also see with Warner too like we've made a lot of errors like you know probably me more than you but sometimes you know you could be >> see all these ammunition about see I have a talk on contradiction in the Bible everything but that's kept for me maybe emergency like when I had a debate with William Campbell William Campbell from USA he come from Princeia he wrote a book against the Quran the topic was Bible and Quran in the light of science so he wrote a reply to Morris Bail and For 8 years they used the book against the Muslims that is there are scientific errors and he pointed 30 scientific errors in the Quran and no one replied.
So the Christians used that book that if Quran has 30 scientific how can be the word of God. So I had to rebate with them in Chicago. So there of course they had to and the debate come to attack then I call mistakes in the Bible contradictions you know. So so you should have this with you ready to go >> as a last resort >> right it's like a nuclear weapon.
>> You don't want to shoot nuclear weapon.
Yeah, nuclear weapon >> nuclear weapon. The last choice have it >> if you want to press the >> and and one more thing they should know that a lion doesn't have to roar to prove he's the king of the jungle.
>> A lion doesn't have to roar to prove he's you have to do with but when required of course am I with you? So they know that I can I can rip the Bible apart. So that is the reason if you see a video of a Christian missionary in UK he say Dr. Zak rip the Bible apart blah blah blah. So, so he spoke against me for one and a half minute and that video became viral. So that means they should be afraid of you that these people can do it. But we we deal with man with love and affair. So when they say oh they speak about Dr. But I met him he was so humble. He speak so nicely you know. So all these people are against us. They do publicity against us. You know he's a terrorist. Let them do publicity. But when they meet so that's what they did did against the prophet. The maximum books written against any human being in the world is the prophet.
So and what was the most important lesson you learned from your uh the teacher his name was again >> Ahmed did.
>> Yes. What's an important takeaway a message you could spread from him from the lessons you learned from him?
>> Ahmed did mashallah he was a man who only studied to standard six.
>> Only studied what >> to standard six he studied.
>> Okay.
>> After that he dropped drop out from school and he challenged the best of orators in the world. Jimmy Swag at his time in 19848586 Jimmy Swag was considered to be the best orator in the world. His budget was $400 million a year. He spent more than a million dollar a day to keep his water and he debated it with him. Mashallah.
So shake datad was simple. Mashallah coming from a poor family but he had the passion.
So that if you strive in the way of Allah, Allah opens up your pathway. If you see history, if we see life history, you know was simple man and then he rose to such high levels that everyone would meet He got the king faile award which is the hash award in the world and everyone would meet him all the you know the shakes the president and the kings and at that time he had no competition there was no d very few dies in the world now there are mashallah thousands will fight so and then he rose and then he became so popular people supported him everything you know so of course we learned a lot from him m because I spent a lot of time with him you know not training under him because I I I just saw his videos and I and I just repeated but I met him and spent time with him at his home. He came to my house, you know, so I learned a lot from him in >> we talked a lot about the difficulties with ego and money, fame. What was your in your career so far? Inshallah, there's a lot more years to come. What was the most difficult test that you had to overcome to become a successful D?
I believe when I started doing dawa I remember in 2008 when we did the second conference. It was the largest conference in the world there were some of the Muslims of a different sect they complained against us and at that time the conference was going to get cancelled. So that was like you know the biggest jolt in my life for the my confidence this main event in the year was spending $5 million and going to get cancelled was at that time and we didn't know what to do. So I just went to my room in my cabin. I pray to Allah that the next day the home minister son from the capital Delhi comes and he touches my feet. He says in my fan I said don't touch the feet and then the conflict goes on. Then I realized that that was just a tip of an iceberg. What I thought that time was the biggest problem in my dawa problems thousand times more came after that. But my life was cool >> you know. So I realized that was Allah training me at that time mean the biggest event you know and $5 million that stake is going to go and all my all my everything all done and going to be cancelled >> and all the speakers have come what to do so that was like something like like as though my I'm going to die somewhat similar to that after that things 10 times worse happened many incidents everywhere in the world but the but the life became more calm you know just leave it to Allah strive hard you know after that I do hijra so when we did hijra we left all our wealth behind And we left a full organization behind and we came and then we came to Malaysia and then you know we were all my full family my family has been trained they stayed in the best of hotels in the world seven stars they stepped on the floor you know I have one son two daughters and a wife and all of them are when we go to conferences my son and me we give lectures to the mix audience and my wife and my two daughter you know to ladies so we always have a ven diagram you know >> sure >> that v diagram that you know when I started doing dawa they said once you get married kala so that time I have to spend maybe about you know nine hours in dawa When I married I married mind a person who's a da >> a whole family of dies >> I know of course so that mind so then I used to give instead of 8 9 hours I give 11 hours so they said when you have children so I started Islamic school so then I started 14 hours you know in a day 15 hours a day so it's a v diagram so when diagram so that's how mashallah so Allah has blessed us >> alhamdulillah so the time have come so because of this whole situation that we should not be dependent on money with Allah subhanaa tala of course we need hijra Everything gone but believe me we didn't none in the family even Batton Island alhamdulillah but we came here you know there we had a very good house a very good beautiful scenario but this is better >> of course the house in Mumb is more expensive being in Bombay but mashallah so and people mashallah the amount of respect they gave us they called us everywhere many people said okay now you're left okay we'll give you $25,000 a month I don't require that amount no I'll give you $100 they're asking me now You have left everything you want you want I'll give you as what you want to fund fund the organization not me and yet we kept the same thing mashallah so we have maintained with the same style that same level and Allah has been very kind but the level of dawa increased more our our appearance on the social media increased and I'm meeting and trying to solve the problems all over the world what's happening in different parts of the world we're trying to you know whatever we can help along the >> I don't want to keep you too long I know m's coming up I I want to ask you one more because you you make so many new reverts. Alhamdulillah.
>> What is the perspective that in your eyes reverts have that born Muslims don't have? Is there a different lens that reverts see Islam through?
Yes. When the the advantage of see there are two types of revert. One revert has become a revert maybe because of love marriage.
Okay.
Many of time they marry they become Muslim only because they loved a Muslim girl but then they become more practicing than Muslim many times and sometimes they remain those rewards who I've studied and I've you know got impressed and then alhamdulillah one of the major reason is you know >> the most important >> oneness >> oneness >> and and believing that all Muslims are equal of course when they come they may find some differences in the teaching rather than the practices you know depending on which country takes up Islam. But I always say that when a person becomes a reward wherever possible let one Muslim be like a family member like for example reward comes he may have difficulties going to pray going alone he's a new person he may not be have support from the family there should be one person like if he's a gent let there be a Muslim brother if it's a female let the Muslim sister be with them at least for 6 months as a family member that mean you can call them 24/7 so at least he's comfortable and he sees the atmosphere and you and then the organization is just giving shad and leaving them then we go back. So the difference that I find that the person who accept Islam on average is a better practicing Muslim than a person who average Muslim.
>> Average if you take an average Muslim from India an average reward who becomes a revert he is more practicing than average Muslim.
There may be some rewards are bad some rewards are very good but average because they have chosen Islam by choice.
>> What was your favorite moment in da'ah?
Like from your career of dawa, what was your favorite the most memorable moment you've had?
>> Oh, there are there are many I cannot choose as >> okay. Well, I the top two top three when people ask questions where your mind goes blank and Allah gives you the answer.
And some questions we wonder what is the answer and then I get up and say brother ask a good question in my heart I don't know the answer you know that's my style so when a brother ask a good question give me more time to you know so I brother ask a good question and I don't know the answer and then repeat the question I don't know the answer and then Allah gives the answer and then >> so that is like you know so mainly when someone asks me a very difficult question which normally people can't answer and then Allah give me the answer that is the time when I so much so so when I get the question is even now online and then I find the answer and then the answer I find is very logical so that the pleasure that I get is phenomenal >> can we get uh one brother asked a very good question cuz you know that's a famous that all over the world >> you want me to give it all you that in Dubai there's a person by the name of Rahul so he told that you know and this person was Hindu he says in public that I know more about Islam than my management where I've got MBA degree from UK and he says that I've read many tapas of the Quran when the first revelation was given to prophet Muhammad by angel Gabriel Archangel Gabriel said he's Hindu good English he said Ira read and the prophet said man I cannot read his question is that when when the archangel Gabriel told prophet Muhammad ikra read what did he show Where is that thing he showed him? Is it in the museum? Is it in top cap museum?
Is it in Saudi Arabia? What did he show him and where is it now? It's not mentioned anywhere in the Quran or in any taps. What did Archangel Gabriel show Prophet Muhammad and what he showed him? Where is it present now? If you tell me this.
So I brother asked a good question and I don't know the answer. I repeat the question and then I said uh that brother do you know Japanese? He said no. I said did I show you something? that you said you don't know Japanese and he tried to class and then he said afterwards so sometimes after you know it is more of logic whether do you know Japanese he said no so I said did I show you something in Japanese that he said no so of course so there are many of the questions are more of you know logic and mant >> rather than knowledge >> so that comes with practice of course Allah's help is the most important and of course when We were kid we had milestone I want to get a gold medal in sport I want to give a talk of with so many I told you know so these milestones are actually irrelevant when we were kids it was there you know so when I entered d I said oh these are 12,000 I want to give give a talk to 12,000 people live that was my aim and now Allah has blessed us to give more than more than a million people but that is not the target at all >> so so what should the intention be of the d like it's to please Allah That's the main.
>> Yes. Enter Jenna, please Allah and enter Jenna. Please Allah. That's more important. So pleasing Allah is more important than you know. Of course, there are there are world a world milestones like 12,000 may oh shad got the king award. Even I want to get king award.
What is king award? Nothing.
>> So at that time because shid got king fell award. Oh. Oh shake. Oh sh Did that got so much donation at that time? Oh you got one gift$2 million donation that is penis. So you know so whatever zav was like like an ideal you know for us you know so whatever he did was so largest audience 12,000 and see Allah blessed us with 1 billion where is 12,000 is 1 billion king award we got award we got the world award we got toward >> 1 million people in the audience >> life life sitting >> that's nuts >> how do you even fit an arena that big >> no no opening around 150 acres >> at a big field or something >> yeah they're sitting on the ground there were chairs were near about maybe 50 100,000 more 50,000 chairs 50,000 remaining on the ground in the field a million people >> a million people live actually I have a question since like all of you guys are so famous and stuff and my mom is also like a very big fan of Zak do you guys like get a lot of like marriage proposals and stuff like that >> what proposal >> marriage proposal >> me don't have that question do we bearing but we happy with the wife that I've got you know this is the favorite pastime in the Gulf country that why don't you have a second wife it's a favorite part when you go to Gulf country then kata there they favorite past time of saying why don't you have a second wife so I being a debater I give the reply that the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam till his first wife katijah may Allah be pleased with her till the time she was alive he did not marry second I have my khadijah with me. If you don't have a khijah, it's your problem.
>> So sunnah is after your first wife who the best wife dies then you get married.
That's the sunnah. I mean of course you can I'm not saying no to but I'm the debating. So I said if you see the lifestyle of the prophet the first wife was there after the first wife died he married and the first wife was elder than the prophet my wife was elder by about two three weeks. I said I'm doing I married a wife older than me and you know so you're not doing like just they said to win doctor with doctors like is impossible they say >> if we're supposed to follow Quran suna completely >> technically it's suna to marry nine wives why is this one separate sorry you have to understand certain thing what was first was the prophet is not fur >> so technically suna I understand I'll come certain thing what the prophet did you cannot There's a verse in the Quran in surah azab 33:51 52- 53 which says for the prophet after this we cannot marry anyone except what a right hand possesses and what you can marry others cannot marry so these are mentioned in the Quran >> you know for example the prophet had to do hij and all so for us it is for for the prophet he was given the permission and why I've given a full talk on that because he did for people to come closer to each other for for Islam to spread So all his all his marriages like had some of the other reason all the marriages wives >> they were widows and they were widows friends >> and he had only one virgin wife only one >> and that also to bring relationship with the closest friend Abuakar may Allah be you understand so all had some reason and logical reason because she was young after he died she was one of the greatest lady scholars at that time >> of hadith so the amount of hadith she narrated you know and she she taught 88 scholars. So they didn't for everything.
>> Mhm. Some people say I read online that although you don't claim to follow any school of thought and which is perfect.
I loved your answer. They say that you follow the sali school of thought.
>> See one thing is that you know those who love me if they're jamat Islam they call me jamaati. They love me they're call me. The salafi they call me salafi. To be very straight to be a very frank answer among the schools of thought I respect all of them. But the closest to Quran sunnah would be the salah.
>> But >> I found that to be true as well.
>> True.
>> Any logical person comes.
>> See you have to understand the marks the difference mean you may give one 94 marks the other 95 N that's it. It's not that one is 40 and one. No no no.
According to me if you do a proper survey it will be between 92 and 98 all of them. You understand? So but but there are some people unfortunately that they they so if you meet the salafi scholars they are great but those who pass from these institution they're super salafy they do takir oh he I would go to j now that is the problem so you have more problem sometimes in the they feel they are they feel they're superior >> you understand so that is the problem >> mhm >> so if you meet the real scholar the salifi scholar in in sa Saudi Arabia.
Oh, they're too good. Kas are very few.
But those who go to the institution and oh we are only right. All the others are wrong. That's the problem. The moment you say I'm only right.
>> I say I'm also right. I'm also right means you may be right. Maybe wrong.
We'll discuss tomorrow. But when you say I'm only right mean the others are wrong.
>> Right?
>> So this is the problem that that and now when you find in the English dies of course there are more selfies coming up.
Mash in the English it's good but then you have to become some super selfies also you know. So what they do they keep on taking out those people who try to get the other Muslims together they speak against them and they're saying the kafit so they'll pick up all the people on the pitch TV the speakers who are were salafies but they want to get all together so these super speak against them oh this person is a cafe he's not a scholar he's not following Quran sa so this is a trend that has come to my way always been that we try to get the people together like when I go to Pakistan Pakistan has a lot of different sides but I try to get them together.
>> Question.
>> We have to stop. Sorry, brother. We have to stop at this very time.
>> What time is >> Oh, it's just like about four five minutes. 5 minutes.
>> No, no. It is 7:20. 7:20.
>> 7:24, I think.
>> 10 minutes.
>> No, it's quite some time. Is it? I mean, we can speak after that if you want. No problem.
>> Also, you have a lot of energy.
>> No, I can keep going. 7:20 is m so >> if you want we can speak after m after if you have time no problem >> let's speak to fajger >> I'm available sorry no problem >> it's Ramadan >> except I will not stop for salah salah should not miss and t no problem so today so if you want to speak I'm >> I want to ask you about hedra because uh I've been traveling a lot >> you said earlier that you hadn't seen bazi yet I love this place I love Malaysia so much it's been a fantastic You don't do hijra. I said >> what's that?
>> You said you're interested in doing hijra.
>> Yes. But the apprehension is that the United States is where all the propaganda starts and where it's most impactful.
>> This is where wars begin in this place.
This is where all the lies are spread.
This is where the Muslims are demonized and called terrorists. And >> it's beneficial I find and Warner finds as well to be within this within all the lies that ecosystem where all the enemies are trying to uh bring us down.
So I'm essentially putting off my HRA because I know that it's effective to be there. Is that just cop? Is there any sense to that or is that >> you you're right. Partly right partly right. That's my >> partly right. No this for the 10 minutes before they have that problem.
>> Okay. So the thing is that you're partly right but one thing you have to realize that number one when when there's a problem in the aeroplane you know when the when the level goes down the pilot says first put the mask on yourself and then on your child correct >> when there is atmosphere problem or the oxygen problem in the plane and the mask fall what you do I'll first save my son no you have to first put the mask on and say why if you are alive will you save him correct Do you understand the logic?
Mhm.
>> You understand the logic? Means if there is a problem of danger and if you have your own child who's 5 years old, the pilot says first put the mask on yourself >> and then you put the mask on the >> child. Why? If you try and put the mask on the child, by the time you will not be able to get the oxygen, you may die.
So first you save yourself and then others. There's a verse in the Quran in surah Nisa chapter 4 verse number 97 that when the angels of death come and ask you how were you in the world and they will say that we were in in total submission and uh uh the what is the word that's used uh the English word I forgot chapter 4 97 that we have been in operation >> huh and subjugation So the angel replies, "Isn't the world of Allah big enough for you to migrate?"
Now this context is when this verse was revealed when the Sabbas were in Makkah and when the majority of people in Makkah were non-Muslims. So in a city like Makkah which is the holy city a verse was revealed and the Sabbath had to migrate out of the when when the prophet Hij to Medadina there were some Muslim sabas who were in Makkah. So the verse was revealed that you you don't have to stay where the majority are non-Muslims to safeguard yourself and then the verse continues except those who are weak who are old men and women who cannot migrate Allah will forgive them that means it becomes fur for you to migrate if you're living in a majority or non-Muslim country. Now the main logic of this is I know many Muslims dies like for Musalah many of them who migrated to US they got their passport some and they came back because they said when we have children we can't give guarantee I've been to America several times you cannot give guarantee for your children see now there is fit everywhere in the world including including here I'm not saying no everywhere but the levels differ even in Malaysia there is even in India there is but in America it's glaring the opportunity you see know >> it's bad it's getting really bad >> no it's too much so the level of them maybe 90% other place 70% so tomorrow something happens to your children you're responsible so one thing is you have to safeguard yourself first and regarding dawa it may be correct maybe 100 years back now you are doing dawa to Americans even I'm doing dawa to America it's correct I'm not I'm not I'm not saying I'm doing more than you but I've got a great following even in America correct I've got following in Europe sort of my 200 billion there are millions even there I'm doing the you don't have to be there of course being there is beneficial I'm not saying no but first you have to safeguard yourself and your family >> so now the chances the way the world is going now now you cannot even when you when your child is born you cannot mention the gender of your child correct let the child decide when they grow up what's happening now LGBT the way it's going on the way attacks on Islam so now the Islamic ruling is you have to stay in a Muslim majority You have to migrate. That is the Islamic rule. Unless you're weak or you don't have capacity to migrate unless you know so and then why second you first save yourself. What do you know tomorrow what will happen to me? You understand now?
So you and your family you may have children you understand now. So I would advise always that okay have some of your uh roots out there whatever is there but migrating is best and according to me the best of the worst country or the best available country would be Malaysia all the pros and cons a >> lot of great things about Malaysia I see why you made >> and especially Puta there's a world of a difference between Kolur and Putraja Kalumpur has a lot of obsinity yeah mashallah >> not that bad compared to America >> I'm from New York Sorry I'm from New York like this is nothing compared to >> well nothing see on the list Malaysia also quite high but certain cities Kalur is penang >> I love I call love kalur has got the fash so the red light area so which is not there here >> you understand is good but not as good as >> right >> you know because there there are 45% Chinese and Muslim 42% you understand here the Muslims are more than more than 95% Yeah.
>> What's the percentage of Muslims here?
>> More than 95. Some say 97, some say 98%.
>> 958. Yeah. In in >> Can you show them though the view >> in this in this? Whole of Malaysia 65%.
>> Oh, >> whole of Malaysia 65 except for two cities.
>> Except for two cities which will not be fully compliant is Kolanur and Pinang because there the Muslims are not in majority. I mean very frankly correct.
But here it's very quite economical, very cheap. See the beauty you know no nightclub you know Hard Rock wanted to open a branch here >> and put Hard Rock you know okay you can open but no music no alcohol no no no alcohol so how can you know so so here they have got some you know alhamdulillah so so that way >> it's kind of like shar Dubai >> yes you are right >> yes yes but but you're right perfect so it's very good you you can stay away from it but you And here are some things I was Hindu person anyway that's not bad. So so therefore I I did stay for first I used to come for giving lecture the first time was 1996 went to go but then when I had to stay I stayed for a few weeks in maybe a month in then I came here and I as the person which is the best view he said this apartment so I said okay I'll pay more.
>> They made a great choice >> huh >> they made a great choice here. Uh so then we saw the view is the best so we took this and that's how we went.
>> I just noticed your library over here too.
>> No this is just maybe 2% of my library >> just 2%.
>> The main thing was in Bombay we bought half of it which is another apartment the full all the books are stored in one apartment. The one apartment has become a store room. So we have got six apartments.
>> Oh so there's apartment just for the books.
>> Books and some tapes I think.
>> Oh okay.
>> Books and tapes. Yes.
>> So that is a rented apartment. The others of course we are purchasing apartments here. So that's my son and one apartment is studio and one is for my staff and my second.
>> Now the new joke is >> and the two apartments are for two apartments for D. If any d come they're free same view there's the apartment below same view that meant for dive any d can come and stay compliment >> zak's library >> his basement >> so have two apartments for dive >> the one that is down immediately there's the best view you can see the pudra mosque as well as this mos and bur 1920s we have kept two apartments for the m >> this is just a >> this is ether haram this is a special >> we should have brought something >> this special ether that is put on the cabba on the >> this you can't buy it with money. You cannot buy it with money. This is the one that you put on the on the black clo >> Yeah.
>> of the cabba and the hajas. So this is a special that we so this is not available.
>> Thank you so much.
>> So this is just a small gift from and that's for you as well. And this is this is original that put on the for the >> it's a mkalat it's a mixture. So this made by one of my friends for >> it smells good.
>> Thank you so much.
>> I'll just if you want to >> look at the >> kiss. So you can't buy.
>> Yeah. I can't buy this. They make especially for the for the cloth of the >> I'm going to put on my clothes.
>> Yeah. Just put just put on this. Is it the same thing?
>> This is a different bottle.
>> This is the same thing. But this is >> the special thing which you know. So if you've been to Haram often and you go close to the kisa, you'll get the same.
>> It's a little hard to get over there now. There's people.
>> Yes. Yes. Unless you get some special permission to go inside the car also.
>> Oh, it even says here, Dr. Is that your Nike?
>> Exquisitly yours. This perfume is not available for sale anywhere in the world.
>> Wow. That's right.
>> Look at that.
>> So you know when we used to meet the VIPs, what to give what Bunny cannot buy. So this what?
>> So this is something which money cannot buy. When we meet VIPs, they can buy anything.
>> So this thing money cannot buy.
>> So if I put it on eBay, I'm going to make a lie.
>> Sorry.
>> Did I take it back then?
>> What they said? I was like >> eBay and make a lot of money.
>> No, there was a time you know there was a time that I gave a cloth of car and madina to one a friend said can I sell it and give donation I said yes. So he sold it at a very high price and he gave that money for good. So he gave the cloth of that kiss and >> thank you so much it's a pleasure inshallah appreciate it.
>> Do you have the context?
>> Thank you so much. It was an absolute pleasure getting the chance to speak to you. I've been looking forward to this for several days. I hope that the questions were >> were good. I hope you enjoyed the conversation.
>> If you can give a copy of that, if you don't mind.
>> Absolutely.
>> Of the so that we can >> Yeah, absolutely.
>> If we can give a copy of the recording.
>> Well, it's not film quality. $25,000.
This tripod's about $50, not $25,000.
>> No, no problem. No problem.
>> But next time >> for social media, it'll be fine. So, we can >> You mind if we take a Let's take a photo ways.
>> Sure. Let's take all one and then all of us >> and I think he he wants one on his phone as well.
>> Yeah.
>> The only expensive thing I have is for that one.
>> It's a nice case right there. Marshall.
>> No. No. We get more expensive mobiles also. You know the >> virtue. What you have is more expensive.
>> You know what? You know >> virtue phone.
>> Virtue phone. You don't know >> iPhone?
>> No. No. iPhone is the best normal phone, but the most expensive mobile is worth.
You don't know.
>> No.
>> Because half a million dollar and more.
>> You don't know.
>> I thought you half a million.
>> No, no, no. This one. So this that phone I got give. I gave it away to somebody else. So this is the only expensive thing I keep because of technology and for dawa.
>> The second last one. Last one.
>> Come on in. I didn't get a chance to say salam with you either, bro.
>> Sim.
>> There's like 10 cameras.
>> What your phone is a status symbol.
>> 2.
>> Okay. Mr. for your time. My pleasure.
>> Yes.
>> Sego keeps getting mogged.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Leaving to Jakarta tomorrow.
>> Oh, tomorrow.
>> They're having some talks. Yeah.
actually like >> it's more like a podcast recording.
>> Someone had the loudest camera of all time.
>> What is that camera? I had that one before. Is that a cannon?
>> No. Someone that was like beeping in the back.
>> It was the guy who ran up on you. Ready for >> That's an aggressive alarm for the for prayer. You make sure you don't miss the prayer.
>> No, in Jamaat. No.
>> Well, very rare. But but always in Jamaat, but that's one of the reasons I feel praying in Jamaat is a f >> not praying. Praying in Jamaat in the mosque. The difference of opinion.
But I believe that if you miss in Jamaat becomes >> unless you're traveling >> which I am. So technically I can skip mur right >> no you can join not skip you cannot skip >> but if I can do both >> yes you can join.
>> Yeah >> so you can join you can join the and together you have that delivery. So when you travel and you don't have to pay the sunna >> but this is a weird one because technically I'm always traveling because I have uh I live in Miami and New York and I'm always abroad.
>> Okay.
>> You can follow it.
When you're driving, we have two options. Either pray in the jamaat or you can join. Both options.
>> I prefer the the prayer. Do you want to head down to go to the >> masjid?
What time is the thing?
>> Let's go.
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