Phoning In a Physicist Mid-Call to Fact Check This Caller | Forrest Valkai & Justin DZ

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[00:00:00]George from Bulgaria. So, we'll grab George since we've got a theist.

[00:00:07]Is this loading? Welcome in, George from Bulgaria. You're on the line with Justin and momentarily you'll be on the line with Forest as well. How are you doing?

[00:00:18]>> I'm doing well.

[00:00:20]>> Awesome. Your prompt says uh you want to talk about discoveries that point to God creating the universe. Do you think it's discoveries of a of a specific nature like a specific god or just like a generic god?

[00:00:34]>> A generic generic one?

[00:00:36]>> Gotcha. So this is not going to point towards like the Islamic God or the Christian God. Just like some kind of a god.

[00:00:43]>> Not at all.

[00:00:45]>> Okay, fair enough. Uh what kind of discoveries uh do you want to talk about?

[00:00:51]Well, I would like forest to hear this, but uh I will start.

[00:00:59]Uh we uh they use the James Web telescope to look at the edge of the observable universe.

[00:01:10]And what they find is uh 300 million year old galaxies that are bigger than the Milky Way.

[00:01:21]And they also find that these galaxies have heavy elements like oxygen, carbon.

[00:01:28]>> Mhm.

[00:01:31]And in my estimation that would mean that the universe could have just appeared.

[00:01:42]>> No.

[00:01:42]>> Uh so I like I don't believe that the universe just appeared. So I I think that's the first flaw. Um I think the universe is eternal. Now I've looked at some of the uh discoveries from James Webb and I looked at the the the timetable adjustment. So, if you adjust uh your time backwards, like we typically say the Big Bang is like a 4.7 how many billion years ago? 4.8. I don't know. Um I did the math at one point.

[00:02:10]There you go. The Earth is 4.7 billion.

[00:02:12]Okay. Yeah. So, I did I did some math.

[00:02:15]This is a long time ago when they when they first did the discoveries on this.

[00:02:19]Um, and if you if you calculate on their timeline of like how quickly galaxies form, um, then what that means is all you do is is push back the big bang by like four to 5%. That that's it. So it's within like the margin of error for most calculations, right? So all this means to me is that a couple things are true.

[00:02:42]Either one, galaxies can form a little bit faster than people realized. Uh, number two, maybe the Big Bang was just a little bit further back in time than what we've calculated, but none of these to me would point towards a god.

[00:03:01]Well, uh, I've heard also that, uh, a spir a spiral galaxy like ours, the stars rotate together like a plate.

[00:03:17]So the further away you are, the faster you move. And that is why the constellations don't change so drastically.

[00:03:27]>> I failed to see the point. How does this get you to God? All this gets you to is that the universe is just a little bit older than we thought.

[00:03:37]There's a there was a really famous when this first was happening, there was this quote going around from this one astrophysicist um whose name escapes me, but she was she said something in this article about like it makes me like lay awake at night and I question whether everything I've ever believed is wrong or something like that. And that quote was taken by a lot of creationists to say, "Look, see, it's dis this is disproven the big bang." And she's later had to come out and be like, "No, I'm just saying like maybe it was like rather than 13.8, maybe it's like 13.9." Like it's it's like that's what we're talking about here. It's like a little difference. So like I Yeah. Know this the what I think is really important here, George, because I've been listening the whole time. I have the headphone in while I walked away. um is that like I understand that's what this looks like to you, but you know who isn't having this crisis?

[00:04:28]Astrophysicists. People who actually study this [ __ ] for a living are not having the same issue. They are not having these same suspicions. They are not having these same problems. Um you as someone who is not trained in this area, I assume, um is is looking at this data and drawing a conclusion out of it, but you shouldn't be. You should check the source of this information. See where it comes from. You should check the, you know, who's saying it. What are their qualifications, what do they know?

[00:04:55]And most importantly, you should be seeing who else agrees with them. So, even if you find there's that one famous astrophysicist who's an old earth creationist that's been blowing up recently, some some old white dude, which I know that narrows it down, but uh I don't remember his name, but like he he's getting big recently where he's like, "Oh, here's this [ __ ] PhD astrophysicist who's saying the creationist intelligent design, blah blah blah." Great. See who else agrees with him in his field. It's nobody. Same with James Tour. People tell me all the time, "Oh, James Tori is a biochemist and he he says we okay, nobody [ __ ] agrees with him in in in his field or relevant fields like like astrobiology."

[00:05:33]Um, so yeah, man. It's just not uh not how it works.

[00:05:40]All right. So like uh I just mentioned that our spiral galaxy the stars move together like a plate and the further away stars move >> back to the script.

[00:05:54]>> Yeah, he's he's stuck on the script.

[00:05:56]>> And that's why the constellations don't change drastically.

[00:06:03]>> Do you know what this means?

[00:06:06]>> What does what does this data mean for you? What do you think it means?

[00:06:10]>> To intelligence.

[00:06:13]>> Why?

[00:06:15]Connect the dots for me.

[00:06:20]>> I can't. I'm sorry. I just >> George, do you have any training in astronomy or astrophysics? Astrophysics or regular physics? Do you have any training in these areas?

[00:06:35]>> High school.

[00:06:37]high school. Okay. Um Justin, do you have any training in astronomy or astrophysics? I believe you have some physics background.

[00:06:44]>> I did uh I well my background is electrical engineering prior to Bible college and seminary, but I did get my astronomy merit badge in the Boy Scouts.

[00:06:52]>> There you go. Uh so I I did in my undergrad, I did one class in astronomy and I had to do an extra class in physics as well. That's my background.

[00:07:02]So you have three non-physicists, non-astrophysicists, non-astronomers sitting here. We all have very basic level of understanding of this and all of us are discussing a radical conclusion that the actual professionals in this field haven't even hinted at.

[00:07:21]Does that sound reasonable to you, George?

[00:07:25]>> Yes, of course.

[00:07:27]>> Why?

[00:07:31]Hey, uh >> George, >> do you know Dr. Blitz?

[00:07:37]>> Uh yes, I'm familiar.

[00:07:40]>> This would be a really good topic to call in on Dr. Blitz's show or next time he's on this show and talk to him about it cuz first of all, he's delightful, but second of all, you know, he's infinitely more knowledgeable on on this subject.

[00:07:52]>> I'm actually going to call him right now. Hold on a second. I was going to blow him up in the middle. What where you know what time zone he's in?

[00:07:58]>> He's in there. He's uh he's west coast.

[00:08:01]>> East coast. Oh, he's west coast. So, it's early for him. Well, give me two seconds.

[00:08:05]>> Actually, I think he's two hours behind us.

[00:08:12]>> I have another point. Uh a scientific point.

[00:08:16]>> Sure. Yeah. What is it?

[00:08:19]uh they did brain scans brain scans on ordinary people and what they find is that uh like uh the decision emerges in the brain like one or two seconds before it's conscious.

[00:08:34]>> Yeah, that's a great study, isn't it?

[00:08:39]>> Yeah. It's like our our psyche is a little bit influenced by something.

[00:08:47]No, that's not that's not what the study concluded. The the study didn't conclude that there's something outside of our brain that's uh doing a decision. It concluded that our brain is making decisions in the subconscious or there's a part of our brain that is making decisions prior to us being conscious of it, but it's still happening within our brain. Right? So, just like I don't like I don't think about breathing, I just do it. Right? there's brain activity happening that we're not conscious of all the time. And so this is this study actually led to a bunch of people um like going down the the rabbit hole of like, hey, maybe uh maybe we're not uh much of an agent on the phone right now and I'm going to put him on speaker and uh he he cannot hear us because he's just on my speaker phone, but just really quickly uh my dear friend Blitz did the the did did the James Web space telescope disprove the big bang or seriously change our our understanding of the beginning of the universe in in a meaningful way.

[00:09:59]>> No, it's not even really designed to be able to do that. What it's designed to do is to look at very very old galaxies.

[00:10:05]>> And the reason why it's designed to do that is because by looking at old galaxies, you can learn how those old galaxies behave. And we didn't know how they behaved because we had never looked at those before. And just out of curiosity, the the fact that spiral galaxies, the the stars on the far side are moving faster than the ones on the inside, which makes the constellations not change very much over time. Is that indicative of intelligent design?

[00:10:32]>> No.

[00:10:34]>> Cool.

[00:10:35]>> What? No. Jo. So, George, here we have on the phone a PhD physicist who actually knows a thing or two about the things that we're all here speculating on. Do you have a follow-up question to anything that Blitz just said that maybe he's missing out on?

[00:10:56]>> I panic. I'm sorry. I don't have something.

[00:11:01]>> All right. He He does not. So, there we go. Thank you so much, Blitz. I I appreciate your time.

[00:11:07]>> Yeah, of course. Later, Boris.

[00:11:08]>> Later, dude. Bye.

[00:11:10]>> Have you blitz?

[00:11:11]>> There we have it.

[00:11:13]I think this was a productive call, George. Uh, thank you for calling in and waiting for so long. I hope this this helped.

[00:11:22]Uh, I'm sorry, but uh um the quantum world and uh the most famous equation of Einstein shows us that we're energy.

[00:11:37]>> Why did you wait for me to hang up with the physicist to say that dumb [ __ ] We could we could have asked him.

[00:11:42]>> Because I panicked. I I I'm sorry.

[00:11:46]>> I'll call him back.

[00:11:49]We'll do this. I I think that's where you're going to get into difficulty too because like your conception of energy and what physicists say energy is are probably different. Like energy is is usually the the measure of change of stuff like the change in velocity or position >> how much they work they can accomplish.

[00:12:13]Well, you can say that, but strictly speaking, like energy is a measurement of change. Like you put you can't put like energy in a bucket.

[00:12:24]>> Yeah, but I'm talking about intelligence and energy, frequencies, vibrations.

[00:12:30]>> Those are all words.

[00:12:32]>> Those are all words.

[00:12:33]>> Those are definitely words.

[00:12:36]>> That's a whole truckload of words that had no meaning.

[00:12:42][ __ ] Jesse Lee Peterson clip. Uh yeah, George, I think you need to call in next time we have a physicist on either Dr. Blitz or Aaron Adair. Um and just say those words to them and see what happens because everything you just said is like some of the most frequent.

[00:12:58]It's what we call woo woo um in in the science world. It's just stuff that kind of sounds like it means something but doesn't mean anything serious. And again, I can't stress enough, the actual scientists who actually study this stuff for a living don't come to the same conclusions that you're coming to. And and if they are theists, they're not the theist for the same way or the same reason. So, I think some humility would go a long way here and just say, "Hey, I don't know what this [ __ ] is, and I want to believe in a god because I want to believe in a god because I want to believe in a god." And that'd be fine, and we could talk about that. But if you're gonna try to invoke physics, >> if you're gonna try to invoke this stuff, it's not gonna go well for you.

[00:13:42]>> I want to add something. The universe is not only expanding, >> it's accelerating in its expansion.

[00:13:51]>> Yep. That's what dark energy is all about.

[00:13:53]>> We're aware.

[00:13:54]>> Yeah. Dark.

[00:13:56]>> Yeah. Uhhuh. So uh neodyen speculates that there is forces from another universe or something you know stuff like that.

[00:14:10]>> Of course the pope of astrophysics Neil deGrasse Tyson the only physicist in the world says that. I don't think he does say that. I think he may have used about that.

[00:14:21]>> He may have said something about that as a concept or an idea. I don't think that's actually a position he holds. And if it is, he is still just one dude. And if he did say that and really meant it, and other people did too, I would also be confident that none of us are equipped to handle what the [ __ ] that actually means. Cuz let me tell you, Lisa Randall is a a [ __ ] awesome physicist who writes really cool books about string theory and [ __ ] And I don't know what the [ __ ] she's talking about, but it it it's really cool. And so like like I don't know, man. Uh, that's just a guy who said a thing.

[00:14:57]That's That's not That doesn't tell me anything about a god.

[00:15:03]But we are special guys, you know.

[00:15:06]>> No, we're not.

[00:15:08]>> Maybe you are.

[00:15:10]>> We're not just robots.

[00:15:14]>> I disagree.

[00:15:16]>> I would be say nothing is robots except for robots.

[00:15:22]Birds aren't robots. Does that make them special?

[00:15:28]>> But the quantum woo shows us so much that is possible.

[00:15:33]>> The quantum robots is what it is. I don't think you know what quantum things are is what's the reality. George, I was I was being the misuse of the word robots as a guy who designed machines and robots for a living. Yeah, George. Like I think you need to if you want to know this stuff, I think you need to go to school and learn this stuff, honestly. And if you don't want to learn this stuff, that's fine. Don't talk about it like in any meaningful way. Like I I don't know dick about computer engineering, dude. I don't know anything about it. And so I'm not going to sit here and make bold claims about the nature of the universe based on what I understand about computers because I don't know anything about it. It it is very clear you don't know anything about quantum mechanics or about astrophysics or whatever else or at least you don't know any more than Justin or I. So, it's weird that you feel comfortable making these bold claims about this stuff and then talking about we're not robots. I don't think you know [ __ ] about biology either. So, if you want to know this stuff, go learn it, dude. I would love to have a conversation with somebody who knows their stuff about this that has a a different opinion than me. That would be really fun.

[00:16:42]But at the end of the day, you are holding positions that experts in this field do not hold, and you have no training in this area. I don't take it seriously.

[00:16:51]Sorry to be so blunt with you, dude, but it's been [ __ ] repeat for 15 minutes.

[00:16:56]>> I agree. Thank you for the call.

[00:16:59]>> Yeah, take care.

[00:17:01]>> George, keep studying science. It's fun, but you know, don't study it from like [ __ ] the Creation Institute. They're not helping you, man.

[00:17:10]>> They're not helping you.

[00:17:12]Don't go to the Institute for Creation Research for your scientific buddy. It is true. It is true.