Ancient Greek and Roman sources, including Diodorus Siculus, Clement of Alexandria, and Heliodorus, consistently describe Homer as an Egyptian from Thebes (the city of 100 gates), suggesting that the traditional view of Homer as a Greek poet may be a later fabrication. This historical evidence challenges modern assumptions about ancient Greek identity and raises questions about whether the Odyssey and Iliad were originally written by an Egyptian author, which would have significant implications for understanding the origins of Western literature.
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Thank you for joining the Syndicate Network and your [music] host, Skywalker the Jedi. Skywalker.
>> Yo yo yo yo yo. What is going on?
It is your boy Skywalker back at y'all with another one. We are here and we are live.
I want to thank everybody that's in the live chat and everybody that will be part of the replay crew as well. This should be a wonderful conversation and I can't wait to lock in with y'all, man.
Wait, hold up. Give me one second. Let me see if I can grab this real quick before we get started.
Yeah, we about to have us a great but tough discussion today.
This is going to be a great but tough discussion, right? We have to be able to come together, have these talks with one another whenever we feel like stuff [snorts] got to be said.
And it's just it's just a wonderful day to be here.
Glad to be here rocking out with you guys. And shout out to everybody that that's going to be part of this conversation cuz um I know that this going to be a sensitive subject for some people. But uh I'm glad that we can, you know, just kind of have this talk and then move forward, right? Cuz um honestly, I'm looking forward to seeing this movie.
I'm going to go see it on Sunday. I've heard nothing but wonderful things.
And um with me hearing nothing but wonderful things, I'm just very excited to have this talk and then we can move forward because uh you know this just got to be said. A much love to everybody in the live chat already. We got Music City Soul in here. He said Odyssey doing numbers, right? Saw it on Monday. Seeing it again tomorrow. Yeah, bro. I'm not going till Sunday, but can't wait. Bad Dan said anti-woke crowd.
Uh, we're gonna get the Odyssey to flop.
Nolan.
>> No, you're not. [music] Yeah. No, you're not. [laughter] No, you're not. Stop.
>> Right. Ain't nobody worry about that, bro. We got Mama Bear dog. Much love, Mama Bear.
Much love and appreciation. Much love, S Havoc 5150. Thank you for being in the chat, bro. We got Lord Nekron in the building. He said, "Well," he said, "Yep, I guess that whole it sucks narrative is shot." Hey, we gonna talk about it, bro. We gonna talk about it.
And I appreciate you guys being here locked in already.
S Havoc said, "Professor Scott, man, it got to be that way, bro. It got to be that. It got to be that way tonight, bro. We We about to have us a [ __ ] history discussion, bro.
We about to have us a history lesson.
Our own history lesson. Joe Nathan said, "Even my girl want to see the Odyssey."
It's up, bro. Look, man. Look, I'mma let the homie tell this story in a little bit.
But nah, man.
All the pretty girls love Chris Nolan movies, bro.
That's just a fact.
Hold up. We got the homie in here already. Hold up.
Hey, what's going on, Apex Lux? Much love, bro.
>> Yo yo, what it do, bro?
>> What's happening? Pleasure to be here.
>> It's funny cuz I just mentioned you, bro. And um I was just telling Joe Nathan, I was like, "All the all of the pretty girls love Chris Nolan, bro."
>> Oh, that's a fact, man. That's a fact. I [clears throat] ran into a pretty girl earlier who was amazed at some uh Nolan information I had [laughter] to drop upon her.
>> Right.
>> Yes, sir.
>> St. A says, "Scott, I don't think the people are ready for a real here." Nah, bro. They got to be cuz here's the thing. [clears throat] Um, I was going to make this a members video. Was I not, bro? I was gonna make this a members video, right?
>> You sure was. And then who convinced you otherwise?
>> You did, bro. You was like, "Yo, it it started public. You gotta you gotta have this one public."
>> Because I already knew I was like, "Bro, this gonna be a sensitive subject." You know what I'm saying? And like I wanted to be able to cook.
>> But nah, I think you're right that this that this does need to be public, right?
Um, >> no doubt.
>> We got Nessa Noel in the building saying, "You heard? What up? New York's in the building. [laughter] >> Y me.
>> What up, Nessa?
>> Mama Bear says, "Sky said pretty girls and Leon appears." Right.
>> That's exactly That's exactly what happened. Much love, Josh Herrera.
>> Josh, what it do?
>> Joe Nathan said, "Let's [ __ ] go as I live and breathe." The Batman.
>> Hey, facts. [clears throat] Let's go.
What it do? What it do? Hey, Josh said, uh, just got back from the Odyssey IMAX 70 mm round two. He said he didn't already went for two rounds, bro.
[clears throat] >> Right.
>> Robin is cooking.
>> The good thing about this is is that towards the end of this discussion, wait, you know what? I'll get to that in one second. St. A said, "History is not what we've been told. The victors wrote the wrote the tales." Hey, we going to talk about it tonight because look, here's the thing. I wasn't going to have this conversation publicly, right? But at the same time, I I knew that it needed to happen, right? And the reason why I needed or why I why I knew it needed to happen is because um bro, we had a stream the other day.
>> You, Cozy, and I, we was on here for like almost two and a half hours, right?
Y >> and I thought that we did a very very good job of breaking down exactly why we felt the way that we felt about this race swapping issue and um you know >> I honestly thought I honestly thought that we were just going to have the conversation and move on, right? But, uh, that didn't seem to be the case. Um, because I I got like a lot of people in my in my comments. It's especially after I had like my first like little back and forth um over this issue. But no, after that, I got a lot of people just all these people that I didn't know just kind of flooding the comments, bro, saying, "Yo, we can't be hypocrites as Nolan fans and all this stuff." And it's like, bro, I don't even know if y'all Nolan fans like that or not. Right. But just the fact that people keep saying like, "Yo, >> we can't be hypocrites." It made it >> obvious to me that clearly we weren't impactful enough with what we said, right? Like, uh, clearly we didn't articulate ourselves as good as we thought that we did because I thought a lot of these things we covered in the stream, >> right? But that didn't seem to be the case, bro. Um, is there anything that you want to kind of touch on before uh we get started with anything?
>> Uh, just that not only did we talk about that, but we talked about the overall propaganda that's been put against this film. So, I think that the race part really struck a nerve with people. But it's about time that we kind of put a mirror in front of those who are kind of exposing themselves, you know, because we articulated rather well the litany of history of the race swapping compared to now.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? So, it's not like a It's been incredibly one-sided in in this conversation.
>> Yes. It's been incred Yeah. Incredibly.
Oh, >> incredibly, right? Like, like >> I think and s Havoc, but what were we going to say?
>> Yeah, I was thinking about it the other day, bro. Um, they raid swapped the long the Lone Ranger, >> right?
Stream, too, I think.
>> No, I don't think I brought up the Lone Ranger one.
>> I'm pretty sure.
>> Oh, you know what?
>> Yeah.
>> I think you just brought up um >> the sidekick, right?
>> Yeah. Uh, Tanto, right? Yeah. Right. And then No, but they actually race swap the Lone Ranger because that was based on a black guy, Bass Reeves, >> 100%.
>> Right. So, >> well, there you go.
>> Right.
>> But hey, like we'll get to it, right?
And you know, there's there's a couple things that I want to uh kind of um kind of like get clear, right? Uh Shav said these guys only have about 2500 years worth of Greek history and they still can't even tell the difference between Homer, Plato, and Socrates, >> right?
>> It's funny, bro. Uh but no, um what I do want to kind of get clear uh with um this conversation, right, is because uh there's like a couple things actually, right? Um, one because just to even have this conversation, I feel like uh there are certain things that we need to kind of uh get clear, so to speak, right? Uh, and you guys let me know.
Just say uh fair or unfair, right?
Because here's the thing. We're not going to use any of my words. We're not going to use any of my thoughts on this situation, you know, whatsoever.
I have taken myself out of this conversation, right? Um, and I think that that's really important for what we're going to discuss because, uh, you know, I I feel like, you know, we obviously clearly didn't do a good enough job in articulating our thoughts the first time. So, this time we're going to have a little bit of a different conversation, right? Cuz firstly, um, when we were having that stream, bro, I brought it up several times and this is going to be a hint about what this stream is going to be about right now. I gave people a couple breadcrumbs.
I was like, "Hey, man.
I really think Nolan, cuz he's a pretty meticulous guy, bro.
He's a pretty meticulous guy, man.
And I said it in a couple times where I was like, I wouldn't be shocked if he did some research and that this casting isn't as uh crazy as it may seem. Did I or did I not say that, bro?
>> Yep, you did.
>> Right.
>> Mhm.
>> So, in order for us to have this conversation, I just need to be able to get a couple things clear. Um, one say fair or unfair, can we all agree that Homer is the person that is credited as writing the Iliad?
>> Right. Fair.
>> Put fair or unfair.
>> Is it fair to say that Homer is credited as writing the Iliad?
Somebody type fair or unfair in the chat for sure.
>> Let me know. [cough and clears throat] Is that a fair assessment or is that not fair? Right? Am I bugging?
You know, because once we start getting to this, I don't want to hear nothing else. You got three fairs so far, >> you know. Fair.
>> Get some more.
>> That's fair. Okay. Homer is is the person that is credited as writing the Odyssey, the the Iliad, excuse me. So um secondly [laughter] right like the second question is if if there is historical accuracy that could that could that could mean that this situation is plausible.
Is all of this backlash justified?
Let me know if there is information that would make this situation plausible, then all of the backlash is crazy, right? Like, I mean, it's a it's a it's a little bit more than what it should be.
Is that fair or not fair?
>> I think that's fair.
>> You think that's fair, bro?
>> Mhm. that if it's plausible, everybody needs to kind of [ __ ] shut up, right?
>> Yep.
>> Like, >> yep. 100%.
>> Hey, I'm I'm still waiting. Music City Soul say it's fair. All right. So, if if if there is information that means that this [ __ ] is plausible, everybody should just chill out.
As long as we can get those two things straight, we can have a stream. That's all I'm asking, right? Like, cuz bro, it's crazy. Now, before I get started, what is your thoughts on this part?
Because I um I do want to say this. I didn't even want to have this part of the conversation, bro. I like I thought we was going to have our little talk, right, about race swapping in Hollywood and move on.
Right? I don't want to deep dive into this [ __ ] subject and and have to do what I do, >> right? And come back and bring all this information to you guys that we're about to parse through now, >> right? I don't want to have to do that, >> right? I wanted to just go enjoy the movie, >> right?
>> But we said, "Hey, there's been ridiculous [ __ ] things that are being brought up about this film." I got told shortly after that, no, most of the criticism is fair. Bro, I saw somebody say this movie has a high Rotten Tomato score and a high IGN score, so it's probably bad.
Does that sound reasonable to you, bro?
Sounds kind of idiotic if you ask me if I'm being honest. Because the people that say the same people that say this are the same people that um I don't know like let's say the Batman got a high Rotten Tomatoes and IGN score. Does that invalidate the Batman to these people >> the same way that it invalidates the Odyssey for these people?
>> Crazy. Al also are we forgetting historically that all Christopher Nolan does is get high IGN and high Rotten Tomatoes ratings.
>> I was about to ask him did they see [ __ ] Oenheimer >> facts.
>> I'm like what?
>> That's weird. Oppenheimer had a high and a high Rotten Tomato score too. Guess what?
It's a great [ __ ] movie.
>> Yep.
>> One of the most Oscar nominated movie One of the most Oscar nominated movies of all time if I'm not mistaken.
Correct.
>> You are correct.
High high Rotten Tomato score. High IGN score.
>> Mhm.
>> Weird. Yo, before we get this started, bro, what's wild to me is we can't even seem to agree that the [ __ ] conversation is weird around the movie, bro. Like, we can't agree on anything, right?
>> Crazy. when it's literally gone from helmets to social justice >> to race swapping to Travis Scott, right? Like it's been all this [ __ ] bro. Elliot Paige, right?
Which really do we want to go there?
>> Don't say it, Leon. What did Leonitis refer to the Greece as?
I'm not going to say it. Y'all know if you know, you know.
>> I don't know, bro. I don't know. Crazy.
>> I I disagree with a couple of comments.
Um, not in a major way, but just like where Nekron, what up, Nekron? He says, honestly, I think it's the same people who hate Zach. Nah, I disagree. There are literal Zack Snider zealots who are attacking this movie.
I just saw, bro, that [ __ ] quote I said earlier came from a Snider fan.
>> Yep.
>> Crazy. I was like, what the I'm like, bro, what are we doing?
>> Facts. And I disagree with Alan Belt that Nolan is the closest thing we have had today to Stanley Crew. But that's 100% wrong. The closest thing we've had is Zack >> Snider. Zack, bro. We did a stream on that, didn't we?
>> Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Stanley Cubic's career and filmography match closest to or excuse me, Zack Snider's career and filmography match closest to Zack Snider's or excuse me to Stanley Cubrick's than Nolan's to Stanley Cubrick's 100%.
>> Bro, they were tripping about the accents, bro. No, it's been everything.
It's been everything. This is the first time Nolan's ever had a single sliver of taste of anything Stanley Cubrickish where the machine the media machine and um uh through social media is even close to giving him push back. You know what I'm saying? Zack, that's all his [ __ ] career. Same with Stanley Cubrick. But anyways, I digress. I just want to clear that up.
>> Yeah, bro. Yeah, but hey, man. I I digress. What up, Derek Waters? If Derek Waters said, uh, saw the movie today.
None of the DEI complaints bother me. In my opinion, Anola's issues are deeper.
Editing was autistic and his scripts lead performers more towards stage acting. CJ Troy was epic. Hey, we'll see what's up, bro. For sure. Right. But, um, I do [clears throat] want to say this, right? Uh, yeah. I really didn't want to have this conversation, bro. I thought that it was just going to be that one and done, but I think that this is absolutely necessary. And like I said, I'm not going to be getting bogged down on on on like these kind of conversations, but I do think that this one was was absolutely needed. So, um, what we're gonna be doing is we're gonna be reacting to this video where, uh, this, uh, guy is going to gonna going to lay out some great information and, um, he he's going to lead with like a thought perspective or or a thought experiment rather experiment, right? Um, yeah, it's going to be like a thought experiment kind of at the beginning that's gonna lead you into the mindset into like the proper mindset that we can be in to kind of have this conversation. And then after that, he's going to give quotes and we're going to react to the quotes.
>> And I got my little uh, you know, uh, notes here ready to go.
Right. Does that sound good?
>> That sounds perfect. And again, this is not Skye's opinions. These aren't Leo or excuse me, Apex Lux's opinions. This is just we're looking at history, people.
Let's rock.
>> Yep. Let's go ahead and let's rock. And this uh this this part of the conversation is going to mainly be uh focused on uh the Homer aspect of everything that I think is going to be very interesting because um he's the one that wrote the story, right?
>> Absolutely.
>> He's the one that wrote the story, you know.
>> Yep. We we agreed on that, right?
>> Yeah, bro. [laughter] >> Right.
Okay. Hold on now. Let's uh let's do this.
All right. Where we at? Hold up. Let me make sure my notes is all together cuz I don't want no [ __ ] with this.
Oh, wait. No. Here we go.
>> That quote is crazy, bro.
>> What?
>> The freaking Rotten Tomatoes.
That's freaking egregious. But anyways.
[laughter] >> Oh, bro. That's wild, bro. That's wild.
>> That's wild.
>> That's a stupid ass take.
>> Hey, man. Nah, let's go ahead and uh let's get started and and we'll get started on like this like little thought experiment first and then we'll get into um these quotes because I think they're interesting, bro. They're really really interesting, bro. [laughter] He's saying the history.
>> This is wild, bro. [laughter] >> The History Channel, right?
>> Hey, this about to be the History Channel tonight, bro. Uh-uh. This is wild. I I thought that this information was very interesting, but let's go ahead and let's get to it.
There's something quite sinister about this bust.
No, this is not Homer. The man who gave the world Odicius, [music] Helen of Troy and the Iliad. Clean, sterile, with barely a scratch to testify to its millennial long odyssey.
The different dates initially offered up for this head's discovery point to it being similar in tradition to this statue. The famed bust of Hannibal now universally accepted as a fabrication of the enlightenment. An era slavishly faithful to racialized aesthetics and preconceived notions of the classical world. See, it was in this early modern period that Europeans strove to impose a segregated Jim Crow doctrine, if you like, onto the ancient world in which [music] race and ethnicity became artificially locked in place behind inorganic borders foreign to antiquity.
Okay, real quick, bro. I do want to interject, right? Like that is a fascinating concept, right? The fact that people think that today's mindset was on the people thousands of years ago, right?
Like thousands of years ago, the terms white and black weren't even a thing.
>> Facts, >> right? which is odd because when we get into the hell in a Troy discussion, one of the most never mind, we'll we'll we'll wait for that, right? But >> it's crazy that they put these modern thoughts, right, and modern um notions on ancient people.
like there was just all these borders that are literally like invisible right now, right? Like for the most part, right? Like so >> you want to kind of speak on that before we keep going?
>> Yes. the the notion that when we discuss these topics, I always find it hilarious that people often, like you were alluding to, they refer to modern terminology when they're talking about this stuff in order to prove that one side of the conversation, the racial conversation was more dominant and more prominent. And they use terminology not even just to have a conversation just say a white because they're using it as a placeholder placeholder for example. That's just the word that they use because they they're extrapolating this from history. And it's like none of these people refer to each other like that. They refer to each other by the region that they were in. You know what I mean? Like people from I don't know.
I'm just going to say like Mesopotamia.
These people, they wouldn't refer to each other that's a white guy or a black guy. They would look at someone's skin, culture, uh the clothing, jewelry that they were, the clothing, all >> the way they talk, walk, their dialect, and they would say, "Ah, you are from, you know, Ethiopia, Mesopotamia, you are from the Nile, you are from whatever."
Right?
That's how they were the tribe of so and so and such and such. It wasn't black dude, white guy, whatever, whatever. So, it's just fascinating. There were people who were >> black guy from from uh Egypt, uh white guy from Greece. Like, that's just not what the [ __ ] was it was, bro.
>> And and it wasn't And it was also just to add this real quick, too, it wasn't white guy meeting a white guy and everything's cool. It was uh I'm just going to say whatever. I'm just going to say something real quick like like uh you're from Italy even though I know Italy was formed later. Just roll with me on this analogy chat. Uh you are from Italy and I'm from I'm Germanic. They're both white. They look white as hell but they have beef with each other because of the region that they came from. It was about like the territory, the land, the culture mixing um certain religious beliefs. It was a it was a bunch of different factors. The economic systems not wanting to cross over. Um simple ways of life versus modernization back then. There was a lot of different intricate things that people were uh categorizing each other over. And yet we try to boil this conversation down in modern terms. When we're talking about this particular film or things that were inspired by the Iliad, we try to boil it down to not not MOR and not Mahelen, >> right? Like [clears throat] not not Mr. Indian and then we're going to continue to put up pictures of Lupita Nango dressed like a slave >> when we're talking about this. But >> I think it's very weird to see people reposting that type of stuff, too. Go ahead.
>> Like you said, uh, it's never pictures from Black Panther.
>> Mhm.
>> I did say that earlier. They don't look >> They never show her looking gorgeous.
It's always slave pictures and [ __ ] >> Looking tired and [ __ ] Yeah.
>> And like >> and hungry.
>> Crazy.
>> You know, hair and makeup doing that to you. It's not like if you saw her walking in the mall somewhere, you would just catch her looking crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like >> wild.
>> Wild. You guys are picking pictures from movies that p that picture her looking crazy. That would be like me taking a picture of Charlie Stron from Monster and acting like >> and using that.
>> She would make a horrible Helen Troy look or what the Come on, bro.
[laughter] >> What are y'all doing other than exposing yourself?
>> Crazy, bro. Crazy. But but let's keep it going because he ain't even really got started yet. We ain't even got to the thought experiment yet, right? But let's keep it going.
And [music] yes, I did >> they succeeded. Look around you. Today we're all heirs of this tradition. But no, this bust is not Homer. It's misdirection.
The true face of Homer as described by the ancient Greeks will send your mind reeling.
So make sure to watch to the end because what if the ancient Greeks knew the truth? A truth very different to this enmarbled hallucination.
99.9% >> He's saying we ain't even using his words.
>> Fact.
>> He said we ain't even going to use his words.
>> He's saying what you're saying and what I'm saying.
>> We going to use their words, bro.
>> Scott said don't believe Sky. This is not Skyp said don't believe Sky or Apex Lux. This brother here on this channel is saying don't believe Sky, don't believe Apex. Don't believe him. We going to talk about the Greeks and what they thought >> and what they thought.
>> This is inception levels of thoughts.
[laughter] >> This is inception level, bro. We going inside a thought. Inside a thought.
Inside a thought, bro.
>> Pun intended, >> right? This is crazy. But let's keep it going.
>> Inception. can't wrap their heads around the information you're about to see and hear. So, here's something to help.
>> Thought experiment.
>> Say a nuclear war took out civilization, including photo and digital records, but human demographics had to restart roughly in the same place as it is today, only drastically decreased.
Say we rebuilt memories of the past from bits and pieces of burnt paper here and there. And in a thousand years [music] we managed to find ourselves roughly where we are today with black populations [music] predominant in Africa, white European populations predominant in Europe and North America and Indian East Asian peoples the majority in Asia.
The only thing missing.
>> Okay, I like this. Right. We're going to destroy everything. We're going to we're Hey, it's all gone. Right. And then everybody migrated to exactly the same points that they're at today. I I love this thought experiment. Bro, what do you think?
My bad. I was on mute. Yeah. No, that's I like how he said that. I like I like the start of this. He's putting us in a position to say to question greatly what's about to come next.
>> Yep. All right, let's keep going.
>> In a great [music] deal of physical imagery from the past gone >> now. Imagine what?
>> Let me back it up a little bit.
>> from the past in Asia.
The only thing missing being a great deal of physical [music] imagery from the past gone. Now imagine what would happen if some people claimed France's greatest writer little over a thousand years prior was a black man named Alexand Duma. Seen here retaining the coarse hair and full lips of his war hero father, the son of an enslaved West Indian woman. or that America's greatest fighting specimen was a black man named Casius Clay.
[laughter] Okay. Hey, I'm loving this, bro. I'm loving this so far, right? Like, hey, everybody migrated. There's no more proof of anything.
But hey, America's greatest fighter was a black guy named Cashes Clay.
Right.
>> Yeah. Let's keep going.
or that a man dubbed England's greatest actor was a America's greatest fighting specimen was a black man named Casius Clay or that a man dubbed England's greatest actor by English audiences in the 1800s was a black American named Ira Aldridge struggling then the rest of this video is not for you because believe it or Not classicists don't actually know where Homer held from. Some doubt that he even existed.
Not much has changed then because the Greeks also debated who Homer was and where he came from. But one >> Wait, so it's not just like a a done deal?
>> That is correct.
>> Wait, it's not a done deal where any of these people are from? You know what's crazy is that I remember studying this for a time, which is why TJ said some folks crashing already, bro. I know, bro. I know. I know. His mama named him Clay. I'mma call him Clay. [laughter] Shout out to Allan Belt, bro. His mama named him. [laughter] >> Crazy, bro. It goes back to what havoc go uh Homer, Plato and Socrates, the Socratic >> influences, etc., etc. >> A lot of people do think that Homer was kind of an idea.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and that Plato and Socrates were the were really in existence.
>> Yeah.
>> And then some people question that, too.
But anyways, continue.
>> Hey, but no, no, we about to cook, bro.
We about to get some good information and some good quotes. I can't wait. Mama bear said, "You mean home from Springfield." That's funny. All right, but look, let's uh let's keep this going though and where he came from. But one place high on their list of possibilities.
One place you will not be >> Oh, wait. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before we keep going, we got Cozy in the building, bro. What's going on, Cozy? Hey, thank you for pulling back up and leading the conversation. What up, first time, bro?
>> Oh, no problem, bro. Hey, man.
>> Bro, have you been paying attention to the stream at all?
>> I've been paying attention a little bit.
I like I popped in. All right.
>> Ask because like I think that this conversation is about to get very good, bro. You know what I mean?
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Hey man. Hey man. Real quick before y'all continue.
>> Hey. This man saw the Odyssey.
>> Hey [laughter] hey hey real quick. Real quick. Every single account every single shill every sing every every single person that talks [ __ ] about the Odyssey. Delete delete your YouTube channel. Delete your Twitter account. Delete all your social media. Don't Don't come back on the internet talking about any movie ever again. Y'all y'all cap your ass off.
Y'all lied to these people and y'all doubted no one. Don't Don't show your face on the internet ever again. Y'all man.
Yo yo yo yo yo yo. Hey man. Whenever y'all go see the Odyssey, y'all gonna want to punch these [ __ ] these grifters, bro.
this. Yo yo yo yo yo. Don't listen to these people, man. Do not listen to these people. Do not listen to these people telling you, "Oh, no one no one doesn't know he's doing he's going woke.
He's doing this and that. He's he's uh he he's being progressive. This that and the other." Hey man. Hey man. Go watch go see go see the Odyssey. Get you a ticket if you can't get your ticket now because it's sold out. Hey, make sure you get one for next week, bro. Cuz they they capping their ass off about this movie, bro. And I I knew this.
[laughter] I knew this personally, but bro, y'all y'all need to go y'all need to go see >> y'all need to go see the [ __ ] yourself.
>> Hey, I had to do that, bro. I'm like I I had to do that, bro. Nah, bro. You ain't They not They not doing this, bro. They not doing this, bro. Nah, we about to get to it, bro. This is about to be such a great conversation. But because I can't wait to get to these quotes. I can't wait to get to these quotes, bro.
That's what I'm really looking forward to because it's a lot of quotes in here.
It's a lot of quotes, bro.
Right. So, let's go ahead, man. Let's keep going. Told about was this place Africa.
This is a video where the evidence will speak. No need for arguments. No need for convincing the faux laparing [music] historians of the age. Here we will sit at the feet of the great scholars of Greek antiquity. Marvel at their words and then ask why was all this hidden?
Welcome to the second installment [music] of ancient Greece was not white. Not like they told you.
Diodoris Siculus, a library of history, circa 35 BC.
>> Uh-oh.
>> Now, the Ethiopians, as historians relate, were the first of all men. And the proofs of this statement, they say, are manifest. They say that they were the first [music] to be taught to honor the gods and to hold sacrifices and processions and festivals and the other rights by which men honor the deities.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, that's not what we're going to do today because today I got notes on every single [ __ ] one of these quotes, bro.
No, cuz y'all wanted this, right?
I ran this through the AI.
You know what I mean?
Ran this through the AI just to ask, just to make sure that this is all cool, right? I'm like, hey, are these quotes real? And give me a breakdown.
Verdict, authentic, >> context. This is one of the easiest passages to verify because because it comes from a wellpreserved section of Diodoris's Bibliote historic. The transcript is remarkably faithful to the standard English translations. Theodoris writes that the Ethiopians claimed they were the first people. The Egyptians descended from the Ethiopian colonists.
Egyptian religion preserved Ethiopian traditions. Egypt received many of its customs from Ethiopia. The transcript reproduces these claims almost verbatim.
Any other questions?
>> Let's proceed.
>> Cool. All right.
>> They say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians.
The larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are they hold Ethiopia.
The colonists still preserving their ancient manners.
>> Clement of Alexandria Stroata book one circa 150 to 215 AD.
This is the chronology of the older Greek sages and philosophers. I hardly need to say that the majority of them were non-Greek by birth and educated by non-Greeks when Pythagoras has been shown to be Tyrion and Tistanes a Friian and Orpheus a Thrian.
The majority make Homer to be an Egyptian.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What did he say? What I thought he just said?
I know that ain't who I think it is. I know that ain't it. [laughter] I know that ain't who I think it is.
Right. Ju just remember guys, y'all asked for this, right? I didn't want to do this stream, bro. Hey, back it up a bit too if you don't mind.
>> Oh, absolutely, bro.
Right.
>> Yeah. Right there is perfect cuz look said this the same thing I was saying earlier, man. How did they describe these people? Do they say white? Do they say black? Do they say >> nope?
>> No.
>> Nope.
They say, "Well, Pythagoras has been shown to be Tyrion and so on and so on."
>> And what about the older Greek sages and philosophers being non-Greek?
>> What does that mean?
>> This is the chronology of the older Greek sages and philosophers.
>> The chronology. Do y'all pick that up?
This is the chronology of the He's going in order. In other words, I hardly need to say that the majority of them were non-Greek by birth and educated by non-Greeks.
>> Wonder where they got educated at.
>> Wonder where they got educated at.
>> But nah. Yo, this is crazy, bro. This is crazy, >> right? Nah, but no, but hey, Homer seemed like he was a white guy. Let's just keep going, bro. [laughter] Achilles Tatius, the adventures of Clapon and Luci, book three, circa 2 century AD.
We sailed by the Nile to Alexandria. But as we [music] were approaching a certain city, suddenly we heard a great noise.
The sailor said, "The herdsmen." and turned his ship backwards. For the land was full of terrifying, savage men, all torn, black, yet not completely black like the Dravidian Indian, but more like a mongrel Ethiopian with shorn heads, slender calves, and thick set or robust bodies.
>> Hey, they went over there. They saw them [ __ ] They was like, "Yo, these [ __ ] is huge." [laughter] [snorts] Right.
Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute, bro.
I'm tripping, bro. I ain't even I ain't even pulling up my notes, bro.
>> Yeah.
>> Right, bro. Okay.
Second claim. Authentic translation accuracy. 10 out of 10.
Right.
uh three uh authentic but translation dependent, right? The passage exists. No question.
The problem is that English translations differ dramatically. Some translators say say dark, others say black, others Ethiopianike, others sunburnt. This is one of those passages where a translator has considerable freedom. Right. Uh biggest issue the the transcript includes like the Dravidian Indian that wording is almost certainly modern.
Ancient Greek authors obviously it did not use the modern lingualistic terminology like Dravidian um or or or no ethno linguistic excuse me um the comparison blah blah translation accuracy uh 7.5 to 8 out of 10. The physical description is genuine but the wording is modernized. Right. Uh what this quotation establishes ancient Greek literature can or certainly it describes some Egyptians as very dark.
That does not establish uh that every Egyptian look this way. Nor is it discussing Homer, which is wasn't part of the point.
Uh yeah. What y'all think about them sailing over there and seeing them big ass black dudes, bro, and being like, "Yo, these [ __ ] is robust, bro."
[snorts] >> It's interesting because they were obviously >> they were obviously What I take, you know what's interesting? What I take away from this isn't even necessarily that they saw big black dudes or whatever and got freaked out. What I take away from this is that they've encountered black people before.
>> Yeah.
>> But these particular ones were just >> But these ones Yes.
>> were like freaking huge. They were like shack.
>> A bunch of shacks and a bunch of freaking [clears throat] uh >> uh what's the old boy name? Like Matumbo and them. They were tall and slender or big and robust, right?
>> Because they're describing other types of darker people that they've encountered. And you know >> it was common place. That's what it reads like to me. The herdsmen and turn his ship backwards. For the land was full of terrifying savage men. All tall black yet not completely black like the Dravidian Indian but more like a mongrel Ethiopian. Listen to that >> Ethiopian like so these things were common place. But that particular passage to me speaks to them black [ __ ] are are like that's some other [ __ ] Like what am I looking at right now? These [ __ ] look huge, you know, >> compared to the other black people. So, in other words, to me, this further hammers home the point that black people were all over the place.
>> Facts, bro.
>> And you know what's funny? You know what I'm saying? Like, you'll miss it if you kind of pay attention to the fact that they were startled by black people, but it's like they're not startled by black people. They're startled by these particular [laughter] >> Hey man, bro, this is this is great.
>> Exactly. like eight 8t tall or whatever the case may be, you know what I mean?
>> Yeah, bro. Uh Joe Buck said, "You should have put on your professor outfit again, guys, since this is history class." Bro, that's why I got on my Hellfire Club shirt because because we in school, bro.
>> You know what I'm saying? I'm part of the class today, right? I'm not teaching. Y'all not listening to me, >> right? This is this is what they saying, right? But I want to keep going because that is right. This is not about Homer, right? We focusing on Homer right now.
Right.
>> Mhm.
>> Let's keep it going.
>> Talking about Ethiopia 220 AD, book one.
I marveled how they being did say that they are of Achilles blood since the Egyptian poet Homer said that Achilles was born at [music] Fia that is thesis >> book two of Helodoris's >> the >> I got to look that up real quick that place.
>> Can you spell it out for me cuz my screen I can't see it.
>> Which one? after I pull up another screen. The Philly >> Oh, P ph P HD D H I A >> Are they saying what I think they're saying, right? The Hey, that [ __ ] says the Egyptian poet Homer.
I know this says that Homer is a [ __ ] Egyptian, right?
So, is he saying what I think he's saying about Achilles?
>> Hey, >> that's what I was trying to look up, too.
>> Hey, it says is a district city in the ancient uh Thessal Greece.
Thessaly Greece. So, that's still Greek.
>> Yep.
>> So, at this point, Achilles is considered Greek.
Yep.
>> That's Greek. Okay. Okay.
>> Hey, crazy, bro. But look, it say that Homer's Egyptian, >> right?
>> Did I write that, bro?
>> Oh, no.
>> Did you write that, Cozy?
>> No.
>> Did this Did this gentleman that we're listening to write that?
>> That was written a long time ago.
>> Long long long time ago.
Hold up. But let's keep going because >> and that's that's the part that's worth focusing on because it's the that's the point, right?
>> Who is Homer? They keep saying Egyptian Egyptian.
>> But we gonna get to Helen in a minute cuz Helen used Egyptian magic in the [ __ ] story or Egyptian medicine rather, excuse me, not magic, it was medicine, right? But yeah, bro. Crazy.
But let's keep going because there's more from this book. Discourse between Kalosis and [music] Kmonon Homer said that Achilles was born at Faia that is [music] the book two of Heliodoris's Ethiopia the discourse between Kalasiris and Kmonon.
Wherefore the Egyptians make the images of their gods with their feet joined together and not separated a sunder.
Which thing the skillful Homer, like an Egyptian, and one well instructed in the holy doctrine, secretly and closely signified in his [music] verses, leaving them to be understood by such as had the power to understand.
You have initiated me well, sir, into these mysteries, said KMA. But when you often call Homer [music] an Egyptian, a thing which no one has ever heard of, though I may not disbelieve you, yet I marvel and beg you now to [music] discuss this matter also.
>> Bro, how many times are they going to call Homer an Egyptian, bro?
>> I don't know. But they apparently here they don't they didn't uh the word Egyptian didn't really like they never heard of that before. So that like even kind of kind of even puts more of oh he's he's Egyptian.
I never heard a thing which no one has heard of though I may not disbelieve you. [laughter] Yet I marvel. Yet I marvel.
>> And I beg you to discuss this matter also.
>> Hey, you got something you want to add, Leon?
>> Yeah. I was actually trying to interpret for myself like what he meant by does he mean he's never heard of Egypt Egyptian or does he mean he's never heard them call him Egyptian or >> you know what I'm saying like is he trying to say like >> like like I keep hearing you guys say he's Egyptian but I don't know I don't know where you're getting this from and I marvel at it and I want to talk about it like I'm reading it both ways. I don't know. Either way though, calling him Egyptian is rep is repeated and it's and seemingly questioned.
You get what I mean?
>> Yep. All of these >> not that it's an absolute, oh, he's from Greece. No, it's the question is, is he Egyptian at this point?
>> Yep. Hey, and all of these from this book are very accurate, right? It gives it a nine out of 10. So, we can just move on. Let's just keep listening cuz this is this is great, bro. This is great. It and it's going to get very interesting soon, too. It is nothing near to our purpose, said the other, [music] to talk of such things, but yet I will briefly tell you. Homer by diverse [music] reports may be ascribed to diverse countries, but to tell the truth, he was our countryman, an Egyptian born in thieves of the 100 gates, and his father was putitively a prophet.
But in reality, his father was the god Hermes in whose temple the father served.
So now we know he was born in thieves, bro.
>> Right. I mean, bro, am I look, am I saying this? Apex looks. Are you seeing this, bro?
>> Cozy.
>> No, you are not.
>> Are you saying am I?
>> No. No.
>> Right.
But like I said, bro, like I said at the beginning of the thing, I just needed two things. One, that Homer is the person that's credited as writing the Iliad, right? So, I think y'all starting to see where we going now. And two, if there's any historical plausibility of accuracy with these castings should everybody have to shut up.
>> Yep.
>> But known to Egyptians as Wasat was a magnificent capital Egypt during the Middle and New Kingdoms.
>> Yep.
>> TJ said, "I think he's never heard of him being called in Egyptian, but maybe that's me, >> right?
Oh, some of that part that I was mentioning.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was just a whoever said that was just someone who was trying to question. He's like a scholar trying to question it. Yeah.
>> Which is dope because everybody's calling him Egyptian. And then there's >> it it calls into In other words, >> it's either this dude is Egyptian, but he's but he's not Greek. You know what I'm saying? [laughter] >> Like I don't know.
Hey, let's keep going, bro.
>> For when his mother was doing certain sacrifices after the manner of the country, she fell asleep in the temple, and the god lay with her and engendered Homer, who indeed had on him a token of his unlawful conception, the great deal of hair that grew on his thighs.
where from, as he traveled in Greece and other countries, reciting his poems, he got his name. He himself would neither tell his name nor his country nor kindred. Therefore, those who knew the quality of his body gave him a name there from. You see, he was ashamed of his banishment, for he was driven out of his country by his father when the time came for him to become a priest, being known then to be a bastard by reason of the mark on his body.
Your words seem very true and wise, said KMO, for when I consider Homer's verse, it is truly of Egyptian fashion.
stuffed with all pleasure and delectation.
Bro, [laughter] he like, "Wait a minute. Now that I think about it, he do sound Egyptian." [laughter] Yo, bro, this is crazy. I mean, is that not what he just said, bro?
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. Is this the same guy who was questioning it earlier?
>> Yeah, >> there you go.
>> Yeah, this the same conversation.
>> There you go right there.
>> This is the is this the same conversation?
>> There you go. Right there.
Mhm.
>> Crazy, right? But hey, it seems to be Egyptian, bro. Crazy.
Let's keep it going. Wait, anybody want to jump in yet?
All right, cool.
Said, "No, I'm good, bro." He like, "No, hey, isn't this fascinating?"
>> Yeah.
>> Especially since I didn't even want to do this either. Like that's what's really great about this, right? Is that I didn't want to do this, you know? Like I really did. But let's keep it going, bro.
>> Amos Marcelinus. Rest. That sound hella Greek.
>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah, for real.
>> Right.
>> That's so Greek it sound fake.
>> Hey [clears throat] amian [laughter] Marelinus. What?
>> But let's keep it going.
>> The things accomplished circa 4th century AD.
The men of Egypt are mostly brown or black with a skinny and desiccated look.
Veary the >> Wait, so >> wait. So So Homer is from a place where everybody's skinny and black.
Okay. [gasps] Okay. Okay. As you know what I'm saying?
>> Hold up. Let me tap in with uh my quote verification.
Right.
Hold up. Where we go?
Uh wait, where's it go?
Oh, it says uh translation accuracy 7.5 out of 10 because skinny and desiccated closely reflects the idea behind thin and dry looking. Although desiccated makes it sound unusually cynical on my Okay, cool. But other than that, [laughter] it's true. All right. Uh, let's Vera Home.
I I'm going let him say it though. All right.
Or black with a skinny and desiccated look.
Veary.
The life of Homer circa 4th century AD.
I think it is difficult, indeed impossible, to confidently and categorically claim a particular origin or city for Homer.
Others have asserted that he was an Egyptian because he represents the heroes kissing one another on the mouth as is customary among the Egyptians.
So apparently Egyptians was the only ones kissing people, bro.
Authentic >> translation accuracy 10 out of 10.
>> Let's just keep it going. Let's just keep it right. 10 out of 10, bro. Let's keep it going. Right.
Crazy of Samosata Navado. the ships [music] 125 to 180 AD.
As for this fellow, to say nothing of his black skin and protruding lips and spindly calves, his words came tumbling out in a heap. It was Greek, of course, but the voice, the accent were Egyptian.
M >> wait. So wait, so you had >> black people in Greece speaking Greek, even though they had Egyptian accents, too. So they were multi- language people. Crazy.
Crazy. Let's keep it going, bro. Dude, this is this is wild, bro.
This is wild, bro.
Bro, wait. We ain't even got to Lupita yet, bro.
We just talking about Homer right now.
Homer, we ain't talking about Helen, right? Not the casting, bro. We talking about Homer right now. Let's keep it going.
Antipathar of Sidon in the Greek anthology circa 1st and century BC.
Dearest Homer who conquered all of Greece came from thieves in upper Egypt the city of 100 gates.
So, so this right here, this right here is literally the confirmation.
[laughter] No, man. Bro, this is crazy, right? [snorts] So, we got we got he he's saying he's from Egypt.
>> Bro, all of these statements are true.
I'mma just I'm >> sounding Egypt. All of this [ __ ] is true. [laughter] And even when it's like a like a bad translation, they try to say it's only because the [ __ ] is like they're they're trying to be mean about it. Like you would say, "Oh yeah, desiccated is a weird word they use." I'm like, "Okay."
But right, [laughter and gasps] bro. Robert Harris said, "Who's that uh that uh brother NBA player?" Oh, yeah.
Uh Jianniso >> got his brother Thanasses. [laughter] Crazy.
>> But no, man. Hey, this is pretty, bro.
Apex, what you think about this one right here, bro?
>> Yeah, this is like the stamp right here.
This is it. Dearest Homer who conquered all of Greece, [laughter] came from thieves in Upper Egypt, the city of the 100 gates. Like, that's crazy, >> right? Once again, I didn't want to do this.
This is important.
>> I'm gonna look something up real quick.
>> All right, cool. I will give you a second while I pontificate about how I didn't want to have this stream because I didn't want to have this stream, bro.
I did not want to have this conversation. I just wanted to like have our little talk about the race swap and [ __ ] and then just move on, bro, and just go watch the Odyssey on Sunday, right? I was I was excited for that, bro.
Now I'm excited for this. You know what I'm saying? [laughter] Like this is exciting to me right now. I'm glad that we get to have this little pause and have this conversation and then we ain't got to have it again, right?
And then next time that you know it's like, hey man, when people are like like look, never mind. I ain't even going to go there. Um you still need a second, bro. No, I was just I was looking at um when cuz there's a thieves there's a thieves Greece >> and obviously a thieves Egypt >> and I'm wondering if people tried to purposely kind of >> mix the two up.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yep.
>> To try to like >> snatch up Homer and place him >> Greek. You know what I mean? Not that I'm even not that I'm even seeing them say thieves grease.
>> Yep.
>> I've never heard them say Odysius. We ain't even got to Odicius yet. Oh, I got one for Odysius. That's a [ __ ] doozy.
How about that? How about that? How about that? See, you you [ __ ] gave me a Lupita and I'm about to spot you a Odysius.
How about that?
[clears throat] What if they whitewashed Odysius? [laughter] Like like like you yo could I could I rage bait for could I go on a tirade about how oh my god they made Odysius white is Matt Damon playing Odysius bro right cuz what if that's the case people need to start asking themselves what if that's the case and you should start asking yourself that before we get to that part of the [ __ ] discussion.
How about that? Like, yo, crazy, bro.
But let's keep it going.
>> Isculus, the supply, >> bro. I'm going try to cancel Nolan cuz he whitewashed Odysius, [laughter] bro.
Facts.
Bro, I'm about to Hey.
Hey, guys. What happened? What if that happened?
>> Right.
>> Why is it disuse?
>> Are you guys upset, bro?
People need to start asking themselves, what if they raise swapped Odysius?
[laughter] >> Boy, it's going to be get real ugly up in here, boy.
>> Crazy, bro. But let's keep it going.
>> 463 BC.
A ship of Egypt. I It is all [music] too clear. I know the sails. I see the shipmen. They catch the light with such black limbs against their robes of white.
>> Bro, that's BC.
So, they was already sailing the seas, bro.
>> You know, >> sailing the high seas, bro.
>> All too clear, bro.
>> That ship almost looks like the ship they use in the movie. Just like a little just a little redesign, but that [laughter] [ __ ] looks almost a little too close to the one in the movie, >> right? I'm serious, bro. Uh, bro, [laughter] I'm serious, bro.
What if I'm just saying, bro? What if Calcidius a commentary on Plato's Timos 4th century AD the prophets of the Egyptians also feared a certain star called Ak which appears only every so many years and in its rising the star portends disease and death among the people and many of the nobility. Homer who was Egyptian too according to the traditions [laughter] of his being thieves the noblest city in Egypt.
>> Oh, he was a noble man.
>> Implicitly rehearses this very point at the beginning of the Iliad.
>> Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What?
You mean to tell me the same [ __ ] book that these people have been putting in our face and trying to say, "Oh my god, Helen Troy could not be black." The same book say this [ __ ] from Egypt, the one that wrote it.
This very point at the beginning of the Iliad >> [laughter] >> Bro, bro. What is this, bro? What is this, bro?
[laughter] It's bro. It's bro. Bro. Whoa. Whoa.
Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.
>> [laughter] >> Hey, they should have left us back in that other conversation.
Now look what's happening.
>> Gotcha.
Gotcha.
>> Yo, >> exactly.
>> We really should have left that Hey, I thought we was going to leave a conversation alone, bro. I thought that we were right, but let's keep it going.
Heroditus is the histories 450 BC.
The Egyptians said that they believed the Cauans to be descended from the army of Pharaoh Cesostrus.
My own conjectures were founded first on the fact that they are black skinned, melanchos, and have woolly ulogricus, close curling, crisp hair, which certainly amounts to but little since several other nations are so too. but further and more especially because the Caucans, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians are the only nations to have practiced circumcision from the earliest times.
Olympia Doris.
>> Hey, I ain't even going to address that one cuz that's a that's that's Hey, I ain't even going to address that one.
But if you know, you know. [laughter] [laughter] The history 5th century AD Homer's family belonged to the thie in thieves, upper Egypt.
>> Wait, bro. So, did everybody think Homer was from Egypt, bro?
Is this something that they all knew?
>> It appears.
>> Why has this not gotten passed down, bro?
I wonder. And I wonder why they try to make Homer seem like he was he didn't exist and he was just a creation from Socrates and Plato.
Crazy.
I think now we're starting to understand why.
But let's keep it going.
>> I love how he just left it there.
Noticed anything? [laughter] It's not what these accounts say, it's what they don't say or express. Surprise, for instance. Barring the character of Kmonon in Heliodoris' Ethiopica, [music] none of these accounts express any shock at the thought that Homer could have been an African from southern Egypt, specifically its ancient [music] capital, Thieves, right on the frontier with a region the Romans would later call Nubia. This same Nubian region being today partially incorporated into modern Egypt.
surprise, shock, chauvinistic outrage, none whatsoever.
Combine that with the testimony of these same Greeks and Romans that the typical Egyptian was a black indigen of Africa long before successive waves of invasion, genocide, and displacement shifted these populations more southwards into Africa. It's even more amazing that the masters of the classical era did not bark at Homer the African, Homer the Black. Only today has the idea become ridiculous [music] to many. Sure, white western civilization influenced the world, continuing today to civilize and aid the dark continent, but it could never once upon a time have been the other way around. Surely, except these accounts are not conjured up, though they may be concealed.
Mistakenly or not, it seemed a given to the Henistic world's greatest thinkers that Homer hailed from Egypt, from Africa.
Why is this information unknown to the general public? Why is black history and influence long admitted by the Greeks, Romans, and all who came before often denigrated and obscured by today's culture wars and its loudest proponents?
>> You know [clears throat] what? That's an amazing question. I'mma stop right there because we got some more stuff to break down because that was just the homer part of this conversation, right? Um, [laughter] what's so funny, Cozy?
>> Just because all the people who are going to end up listening this like, "Wait, that's just Homer. Wait, there's more? [laughter] There's more?" Oh, >> no. Bro, bro, bro, bro, >> just I just want to say this real quick.
I'm just preparing myself for those who are going to say like, "Yeah, but you guys are just trying to take this conversation. It was about race swapping. And all we were trying to say was is that, you know, people have a right to like disagree with race swapping. And hey, look, man.
>> This [ __ ] is clearly deeper than that.
Y'all made [laughter] it deeper than that.
>> Right.
>> We said from the beginning, race swapping has always been a thing. And it's been incredibly one-sided. The white side of the race swapping conversation in in entertainment has always been the most dominant force in entertainment. Anytime there's a black anything has been race swapped to be a white person and that's fine. It it happened and now you guys started complaining that y'all thought it was happening in the Odyssey and now we're trying to tell you that's not the [ __ ] case. Actually, >> it's actually not the case. And then y'all being so loud and just loud and wrong.
>> Yep. And we trying to tell you, we we trying to tell you, hey man, >> like last stream was the good cop stream. You know what I'm saying? This is the bad cop stream, right? Cuz like now we got to put belt to ass. And it's like, okay, cool.
Right. I tried to just leave it at the [ __ ] race swap conversation, but that ain't what this conversation is. No, this is the Okay, well, is this actually even [ __ ] race swapping to begin with?
And if it is, what if it's the opposite?
Anyway, let's go back cuz cuz look, man, look look cuz this this this was a great video, right? But what I loved even more even more. Right, hold on. me.
Right. What I loved even more was this right here.
And I'm going to show you guys this.
Like I want to show you guys this before we get to the breakdown part of it because this is a lot of information in here and it's crazy because I actually just like uh you know what I I I am going to put that video in the description and thank you for saying that. Hold up.
Thank you for saying that. Hold on. Let me put this in here.
Oh snap. I just realized I had my keyboard unplugged this entire time.
Never even needed it till now. Right.
Okay.
Anyway, uh it's dope because I was sitting there and I um you know what? I just put that link in the description now.
Right. It There you go. So, um I was watching this video earlier and I was like, yo, you know, something just told me go check the comments, right? Something told me go check the comments, right? And I want to just show you guys this because we're going to go through these one by one.
Okay.
Number one, Odysius is dark skinned.
Oh [ __ ] Okay, let me bring this up. You let me let me bring this up cuz I ran this one through chat GPG2.
>> Odysius is dark skin. The Greek really does say he um because that quote says uh on the on the comment, Athena restores his true form.
He becomes melanocross again. Dark skinned, right?
Dark skinned.
>> Melanoros. Melan. Melanor. That adjective literally combines language for dark/ black and skin/complexion.
Translations commonly render it dark skinned, dark complexion, or sworthy.
Athena has removed the aged beggar disguise and restored Odysius's normal appearance. Verdict: The quotation is real. Odysius becomes dark skinned again.
The again matters.
The passage presents this as a part of his restored natural appearance, not as a new tan acquired during the scene.
Okay. Dark skinned. Number two, Odysius has tight curls.
Okay. Now, all right, guys. All right.
Now, look. Now, now, now look. All right.
[laughter] Right. Odysius has tight curls, right?
His hair flows in curls like the uh like the hyestin flower. Hiestin a deep blue black.
Okay, I put that jazz ep um meaning props. Uh the lexicon identifies as crisp close curling hair. Verdict Odysius is genuinely described that with curly or close curling hair.
Hi deep blue black ancient highest imagery can carry a dark blue purple or blackish color association.
Right.
Let's keep it going.
Uh, Odysius most honored companion is dark skinned and woollyhaired, right?
Which is actually ain't that his homie in the movie, too.
Cozy.
>> Yeah.
>> Ain't his homie in in the movie dark skin with with curly hair?
>> Curly hair. Yeah.
I'm just curious on why. Like, look, I I [ __ ] with Matt Damon. [laughter] Why is Matt Damon this?
I think we should be upset now, right? I think we should be upset now.
>> I'm mad.
>> Odysius is a dark skinned man with curly hair. Bro, see, I bet you didn't know that this race swapping conversation was going to go the opposite way, right?
fact, >> right? And we said, "Hey, got the hell in it." We s right there. And guess what? All y'all [ __ ] crying [laughter] by Homer and Helen and Armor and all type of dumb [ __ ] Right there in your face is another race swap. Ain't that about a [ __ ] [laughter] That's crazy.
All this crying crazy.
>> And all we is the race swapping has always been one-sided. Why y'all crying?
Now look at [laughter] that.
>> We've been moving right again.
>> Again.
>> Damn.
That's wild. Would you look at that, bro? That guy said, "Hey, I got concern.
[laughter] Stop it, bro. Nah, man. This is crazy, bro.
Right. Look, hold up. Look, hold up.
Let's Let's get past the homie cuz we already know his homie is dark skin with curly hair in the movie. Three. Helen spent the war in Egypt.
And this is not a late story.
Breaks it down here.
Let's see what chat GPT had to say.
Right. Where we at? Where we at?
This section is mostly accurate, but it combines different versions of the alternate Helen tradition. Uh, verdict.
Ancient ancient attributation exists, but it's fragmentaryary and direct. The alleged uh hesoic version survives through late scolia rather than a complete surviving poem. It is legitimate evidence that a phantom or alternate Helen story was attributed to early archaic poetry, but dating and authorship are much less secure than a fully preserved hesic work. So they don't got the whole thing, but they got part of it.
And it's there. So Helen never even [ __ ] went to Troy allegedly. [clears throat] And I asked this question before. I was like, "Hey, if she stayed in Egypt the whole time and she had Egyptian medicine in the story."
Never mind, bro.
>> Wouldn't that make her never mind, bro? [laughter] Right.
Look, Helen's bloodlines run to runs to Kim/ Egypt.
Okay, bro. Hold up. Now, this this can't be true.
Right.
This can't be true.
Verdict. Authentic.
Oh, wait. No. Actually, no. Oh, wait.
No. This is just the other versions of the Troy thing. Hold up. Here we go.
Right. Uh Helen's genealogy reaches Egypt and Ethiopia. The proposed chain is broadly based on genuine mythological genealogies.
Helen's mortal or puditive father is Tendarius. Tendarius's mother is Gorgafophone. Gorgophone is the daughter of Perseus and Andromeda.
This is crazy, bro.
Verdict. The mythological genealogical chain is sub is substantially legitimate, bro. Hold up. So, here's the thing, bro.
So now, so now, bro.
So now we've come to that part of the conversation where I'mma need all y'all to just yo, just say sorry.
Just say sorry.
ju just just say I'm sorry Skye for making you do this stream and and yo cuz if y'all knew what what I could be doing right now.
Let them know Apex.
You know what I'm saying? I'm pretty sure what we both could be doing right now.
>> Yeah, >> right. [laughter] But no, I'm going to need these people to just say sorry, bro.
[snorts] >> Because like why why do we even have to come back and do this conversation, bro?
>> I I I want to kind of I ain't going to do it because >> Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you say that.
>> Mhm.
>> Remember what my two things were? I said that Homer >> is the one that wrote the Iliad, right?
Yeah. And that if there is a plausibility of historical accuracy that everybody just needs to shut the [ __ ] up. Can we say that we have achieved both of our >> [ __ ] stated goals for the train?
>> Okay. All right. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool.
Cool. Cool. I just I just All right.
>> He wrote it.
>> Go ahead.
>> He was real.
>> He's Egyptian.
And there's a whole bunch of historical backings to everything we're saying.
>> Yeah. Cuz this [ __ ] just keeps going.
This just keeps going. And it's all [ __ ] factual.
>> Yep.
Right. Go to the video that I just put in the [ __ ] description. Go to newest comments. Pull it up and look it for yourself.
Click paste.
Right. [ __ ] copy paste. Put it in chat GBT. Ask him what to say.
Cuz look, even the whole thing about her being white armed, because white armed and goldenhaired, both of those don't mean anything.
The white arm thing was a [ __ ] uh euphemism that they used to use for like different types of people.
You got the breakdown for that?
Of course.
Yeah, I want them to hear that.
>> [snorts] >> And while you're >> white armed white armed, >> huh?
>> No, I was going to say go ahead.
>> Yeah. Is a convent is a conventional feminine epetite used of several women, particularly Hera, but also mortal women and female attendants. Verdict. The core linguistic argument is correct. A formulaic epet in epic poetry should not be automatically treated as a precise portrait produced for one particular person. It repeated or know its repeated application to unrelated women shows it functions partly as poetic diction beauty convention a gendered epet and a metric and a metrical formula.
Therefore, white armed Helen does not prove that Helen was a northern European looking blonde woman.
Egyptian art comparison. The broad comparison is valid. Egyptian artistic convention frequently renders women lighter than men within the same social or familial group. That demonstrates why gendered lightness in art or poetry cannot automatically be converted into a modern racial racial classification. So take your modern [ __ ] thoughts and get it out of here for this historical [ __ ] discussion.
Point blank period. I'mma let you cook, bro. Go ahead.
Uh [sighs] [ __ ] I forgot I was going to say what I will say about that is is it goes back to what we were saying before, man. This whole talking about this [ __ ] and approaching it in a way that is a gotcha is [ __ ] Everybody, if you're trying to get if you're really trying to have this conversation, you you should just be trying to educate yourself, man. That's all this is. This should be a learn process, a learning process, because this is fun, man.
Finding all this stuff out is cool.
Also, I think it's real dumb that people would use that quote to try to use it as a gotcha. Like, why would they just say she's a whitearmed like to describe her as a white woman?
That's freaking that's stupid. Like, you just you just chose her arms. Like, what?
People use that as a gotcha. I don't know.
It's it's weird, bro, that we're even having to have this conversation.
What are your thoughts on it so far, Cozy?
I'm just curious on what like what what are people going to say now that like that y'all have like exposed this because the main thing that they like have to like well they can't argue at this point but if they tried is it's been said Homer is Egyptian.
He live he was born in upper Egypt. He He's the one who wrote the Iliad. So everything So everything so far is just It starts with Homer and it goes down. And I'm just curious because I'm like, who else is in this story supposed to be in our in our modern classification not supposed to be white?
Because this this is very this is very interesting because like I think even earlier in the video when it was talking about Achilles for a second I and the uh the way they were like talking about Achilles. I'm sitting here like is Achilles is Achilles black?
Just from how they were like how the uh one of the quotes was saying about Achilles. I'm like is he black? Because if we're finding out Homer is Egyptian and dark skinned and Helen is from Egypt, like what what else in the story where these people are like? And then we're finding also Odysius is not white.
Odysius ain't white. So I'm like, bro, I'm like, who else isn't white in this story, >> bro? I'm mad, bro. Bro, they reverse race swapped this [ __ ] [laughter] >> They were looking at the wrong time, bro. Bro, that's why these [ __ ] look so dumb.
And you got homies trying to [ __ ] pull y'all back from looking stupid. Oh, thank you for saying the word homies.
That's what I was going to say earlier.
And I'm not going to go there, Sky. You already know what I'm talking about. I'm I'mma leave it alone, but I'm trying to figure out a way to tiptoe around this. But like I just want certain people, particular people to come back and and have a conversation, bro.
Like, cuz it's some [ __ ] >> Hey, I'll drop the link in the chat >> if anybody want to come up. Facts.
>> Facts. I will drop the link in the chat, too.
>> I will drop. Have I ever said I'll drop the link in the chat and I didn't.
>> Facts.
>> You know what I mean? Facts. If anybody come through.
>> Yeah. Because now is the time cuz like the the lecture part is over, right?
Yeah. Like all this [ __ ] don't mean nothing. The golden hair part, right?
Golden hair don't mean anything, right? Golden hair does not necessarily mean blonde. The Greek adjective uh isanthos has a wide color range.
Depending on object and context, it may refer to yellow, golden, tawny, reddish gold, honey color, fire color, firecolored, or the coloring of certain horses.
Come on, man. Come on, bro. Y'all think she was just this white blonde lady, bro?
Crazy [clears throat] y'all bugging.
But yeah, I that's what I was going to say earlier, bro. When you said go ahead and cook, I was trying to figure out how to cook this without sounding like an [ __ ] towards certain individuals cuz it's some [ __ ] that went down these past few days. I was just like, I don't get why you're so like adamant about this. And it makes me kind of question like what is your motive behind this? And I know I sound like real mysterious to certain people.
Sky know who I'm talking about, know what I'm talking about and and and the individuals that I'm referring to. But it's just weird, man. Like to get caught up in the agenda or you've allowed this conversation to kind of trigger something that's just been deep down inside of you. I don't know.
You know what I mean?
>> It's just weird, >> bro. I don't know. I don't know, man. I don't know.
>> You know what I mean?
I don't know. Mom bear said that Greeks used to be uh bleaching their hair, too.
Hey, I feel it. And I'm sure they did.
>> I was going to question that actually.
>> I'm sure some I'm [clears throat] sure that some of them did.
>> I didn't even know she was going to say that. I was actually going to say, "What if um women colored their hair?"
>> Mhm.
>> Who knows?
Also, how about this? How about How about Helen was white, right?
>> Thank you. Thank you. [laughter] Either [ __ ] way.
>> It goes back to our original conversation.
>> Oh, >> about race swapping and just accepting it, >> right? We just accepted it. Like, okay, whatever.
>> Vermillion for rouge. Yeah. She said uh to achieve this look uh Greeks used vermilion for rouge as well as a juice from berries to stain their cheeks and lips. They used black incense to darken their lashes and painted their faces with white lead. False eyebrows made of oxen hair were also fashionable. Um okay.
>> Yep.
>> But uh yeah. Hey, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying. Oh boy said. Wait, where uh where uh where that comment go? Cake batter said no record of white armed being used to describe men. Thank you, bro.
>> Exactly.
>> Right.
But yeah, this is a fascinating conversation, bro. Fascinating.
So, I'm loving this though, man. But no, what's hilarious is though is that the fact that uh you know they're just this whole thing kind of spiraled, you know.
Um but I think it was a very necessary conversation, bro. You know, >> it had to be because the original conversation we had was strictly movie based and we were just talking about the the idiocy of trying to pick apart this movie based on stupid stuff like armor and whatever and then leading into the race swapping and then it turned then people just stuck on the race swapping and went absolutely apeshit on that and was talking about the merits of other people feeling weird about race swapping. And meanwhile, fast forward to the [ __ ] history. Odysius is [ __ ] black. [laughter] >> This is like crazy, bro.
>> Stupid, bro. Homer is black.
>> And Homer's black [laughter] and >> looking at wrote the whole thing, bro.
Crazy.
>> And Helen probably ain't white, but even if you want to give them Helen, >> Homer and Odysius are Egyptian and black.
>> Interesting.
>> Crazy. So now, do do me, Skye, and Cozy get to go crash out and write paragraphs all on your [ __ ] and be all over social media saying weird stuff about Rotten Tomatoes and Christopher Holland's a hack. Do we get to do that? Because >> And clearly swap to retweeting Lupita looking like a slave. Bro, that shit's hella weird, bro. Bro, we brought that up.
>> That's crazy.
And your Charlie St their own monster comparison is actually very very wonderful bro.
>> Appreciate that >> because Yeah. If you bro any of any of us looking at that chick we like hell no.
>> Exactly. I ain't going >> I ain't I ain't going nowhere near that woman.
>> Nope.
>> Nowhere near. But Charize though.
>> Chariz [laughter] Charliss, I'm on.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> What?
>> Crazy, bro. But nah, I just um I just I just wanted to have this conversation with you guys and I'm glad you guys could be here for it, man. Cuz this was wonderful, man. Like, right. We we really I mean hopefully we were understood this time, bro.
[laughter] >> Yeah, right.
>> Yeah, right. You're asking a lot, bro.
>> Cozy looks like he's pretty mesmerized by the by all this information, bro.
Like, >> yeah, >> he's really over there tripping out, bro. Are you like, "Hey, what are you over here contemplating?" See, cuz he's seen the movie. He's seen the movie. So So like he also got that, right? It's two things I'm like I'm like after seeing the movie like what are y'all tripping about? What are like what are y'all tripping about?
>> Like Elliot Paige barely in it like that. [laughter] Zenaia barely barely you speaking like I and I'm like so are we not going to and I'm not saying to go and do this but like you got Corey Hawkins as one of the suitors in in with the rest of suitors in there but we're not going to complain about that. We're not going to complain about uh homeboy from tenant that's supposed to be Odysius's like right-hand man.
arena like because it's like it's very picky and choosy and I'm like come back here I'm like so Odysius is black >> Homer is blacken [laughter] is born is from Egypt >> hey and we know where the people what they look like that come from Egypt >> right like we we definitely hammered that part home did we not during the homer portion. We did see man and I want to say all the people bro all the people who are using the the slave picture of Lepita she does not she Nolan doesn't do anything to make her look disrespectful in this movie and I'm just like that's crazy. So y'all had all these crazy pictures of her [laughter] just for Nolan to not like to to still make to have her looking good in this film. And I'm like, "Yeah, >> crazy, bro."
>> Bro, they talking about Rotten Tomato scores, bro.
>> Spooky Kitty says, "I'm only here for looking for Chud Coke." Y'all seem cool though, [laughter] right?
No, man. I I'm looking for the coke, too, bro. I just want an apology. I want a Sky I'm sorry. Somebody type Sky I'm sorry in the chat, bro. That's what I want. I want Sky I'm sorry, bro. Cuz I didn't want to have to do this. That's what I really um [ __ ] Spooky Kitty said, I couldn't even follow the plot for Us because Lupita is so hot. Right. Crazy, man.
They always got her p They always got pictures of her looking crazy. None of those other pictures, though.
Nope.
This is wild. Wild, right?
Nomad said Nolan whitewashed non-whites in his Batman films. Raz and Talia Alul are supposed to be Middle Eastern Asian.
Bane is supposed to be Latino. These people were silent then, but honestly, it's a scandal. Thank you, bro.
>> Facts, bro. Helen is a myth, right?
[laughter] Right.
>> Hey, I'm starting to think, bro, was he?
>> That That's what I'm saying. Like, y'all [laughter] trashing out over this chick like she was real. She was really white.
>> Okay, cool. Odysius was black. Now what?
Homer was black. Now what?
>> We got Matt Demon, bro. We got Matt Demon.
>> Crazy as as Odysius when it really should have been Idris Ela.
>> Matt. Oh [ __ ] That would have been fire, >> right?
>> Oh my god. Fire, [laughter] bro.
>> Right. [snorts] >> Pop it.
>> I'm telling you, bro.
>> That would have been crazy, [laughter] >> man.
>> Spooky Kitty said, "You won't get that.
Judge are too dishonest. They're going to lick their wounds and move on to the next brown person that [laughter] jump out over."
>> Spooky Kitty, bro. Listen, listen. Let me say something real quick. You know what's crazy about what you're saying?
these people. It's sad. The chuds that you're talking about is there is sad, bro. Like the ones who end up being the chuds. Nah, cuz this conversation, bro, I'm not going to say it, but I'm just going to say this, man. I keep tiptoeing around [ __ ] but >> Skye, ain't it sad ended up being the ch?
>> Bro, I saw that post that I was talking about, bro. I was like, bro, >> we was just talking about this [ __ ] The L pizza [ __ ] bro. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> We was we was just talking about that, bro.
>> That's wild, bro.
>> We was just saying like, "Hey guys, it looks kind of racist when you guys do that." Like, >> yeah, >> y'all don't do that with nobody else.
>> Yeah, Charlene Theren is a wonderful example.
I've I've I've never seen anybody do that, bro. Yeah. I've never seen him use pictures of her and Monster.
Oh, man. You trying to hire her for Atomic Blonde? Hell no. Did you see her monster?
>> Did you see [laughter] her monster?
I'm crazy, bro.
>> We need a hot blonde for Atomic Blonde to play this super spy fake character from a comic, bro. That's wild, bro.
Nah, bro.
He's >> dare you.
>> Mama bear said, "Sky, I'm sorry that you were right." That's what I'm saying. I was like, "Bro, I'm telling you, man. I don't think Nolan would have just did that, bro. I told y'all that's on wax. I told you guys. I was like, bro, I don't think Nolan would have just did that.
>> And it's crazy cuz like Odysius is black, bro. [laughter] Crazy. I just keep saying that [ __ ] bro.
>> Odysius is black. Homer is too.
[laughter] And I'll be a [ __ ] like God, bro. Crazy, [laughter] bro.
crazy.
But nah, man. Bro, I I just I just wish we could have left it at that first conversation. Anyway, man, look, we can start wrapping this up, bro. Cuz like, you know, we got stuff to get to, man.
Trust me, bro. It's by Litty.
>> Yeah, facts. But anyway, man. Bro, what's y'all final thoughts, man? Cozy Ro, let's get you first, man.
>> I can't believe y >> first of all, talk about Idris Ela being Odysius, bro.
>> Yo yo [laughter] yo, that actually yo, the stuff they had Matt Damon doing in like in this movie.
>> I can see it. I can see Idris being Odysius. That it could work.
>> No, I'm just joking. Hey, they sitting there, bro. They sitting there, right?
>> It would work though. They sitting there, bro, talking about RA swaps and didn't even know this [ __ ] went the other way. [laughter] But go ahead, bro.
Go ahead.
>> Hey, man. Like I said, like I said, when I came in here, all y'all that was talking madish, bro.
Hey, y'all need to apologize.
And if y'all been making multiple videos having Lepita looking crazy on the thumbnail and this that Hey man, go ahead and delete.
>> You're probably racist, bro.
>> Delete delete your account. Delete delete your YouTube channel. Delete your your social media. Just stay off the internet, man. I can't believe people out here doubting Nolan. Y'all out here doubting knowing y'all >> over Rotten Tomato scores, bro. And IGN scores being good, by the way. Like like this is this is [ __ ] knowing. Y'all surprised the critics and the audience have a high score for him. Like this man delivered banger after banger after banger after banger after banger and you're telling me now is when y'all are questioning him? I never never in my life I would I would question this man like that. But yeah, man. Uh I hope y'all learn. I hope y'all learn.
Not to doubt no one. Homer's black.
Odyssey is black. Helen's black. That's it. This all got >> So we didn't learn. We didn't learn from last time.
We didn't So we didn't learn.
Comprehension. [music] Comprehension. Compreh. We didn't learn.
Yeah, bro. Hey, hopefully we don't have to have another stream on the Odyssey again.
Except me just talking about my review for it, right? That'll be the next thing that I discuss cuz I just cuz I just can't wait to talk about the movie, bro.
>> Right. Like I just want to talk about the movie, bro. That's >> I need I need I just want to go watch the movie. I need to, bro, I want to go watch the movie and have a discussion with you guys about the [ __ ] film, bro.
That's it. I don't want to have no more conversations about race swaps, bro, and who should be feeling like what when it comes to race swapping in Hollywood and all these different things, bro.
Because you never know, man. You just might have you just might get a conversation you didn't want to have, bro.
Facts.
But anyway, moving on. Apex looks, what's your final thoughts, bro?
>> This [ __ ] was very eye opening, man. And [snorts] I don't mean just tonight, I mean the entire conversation.
You know, it's like you can express and pres and present fair information uh from a historical context in a multitude of layers. The first conversation we had, we just simply discussed the history of film making and how one-sided race swapping has been.
And we weren't even complaining about it. We were just saying it's awfully ironic that people are upset about maybe a few race swaps in the Odyssey when there's been nothing but that in Hollywood at Nauseium, right? We just thought it was very ironic that people are choosing now to crash out over this movie. And we were using that to illustrate the fact that it's not necessarily even just about the race swapping. It's it's propaganda against Nolan >> and against the Odyssey film and it's probably being perpetuated >> uh by a studio or executives that are hating on him. That was that was pretty much our point.
>> Yep.
>> That was pretty much our point. like it may have been lost in translation, whatever, whatever, but the thesis of what we were saying wasn't necessarily to harp on the race swapping. That was just one part of it, right? But even if it was us harping on race swapping, there was still merit in bringing up the race swapping, because again, there's been a litany of [ __ ] race swapping in Hollywood in favor of white people taking the roles of black characters or black myths or black whatever.
Fast forward to today, we now see that not only is race swapping still in in effect, [laughter] the timehonored tradition is still in effect. It's [ __ ] [laughter] This [ __ ] is crazy.
[laughter] This is crazy to me.
We had people writing whole novels, nollas on timelines and comments.
[ __ ] is crazy in defense of race swapping or sorry, bitching about race swapping. Look, guys.
White people are just mad because we're tired of seeing our poor white characters be taken by black characters.
And meanwhile, Homer's black, Helen's black. Oh, this [ __ ] [laughter] should have been black. This [ __ ] is crazy.
Like, this [ __ ] is crazy. So, so what are people going to do now? Sky and Cozy, what they going to say now? Hm. What are they going to do now? What's going to happen? Hm. [laughter] Where's your dissertation in your [ __ ] paragraphs to be apologetic about bitching? No. You know what we're going to get? You know what we're going to get? We're [clears throat] You know what we're going to get?
>> We're going to get people who talk about this like they never even watched the video, right? Or or the stream. They're going to they're going to say things that let you know they didn't watch it.
Or [laughter] >> or they're going to say, "It's not that serious, guys. Dang.
Why y'all taking it so far? It's not that serious." I I hate that. I can't stand when people do that. That it's not that serious. [ __ ] Fine. It's not that serious. But guess what? If it's not that serious, why did you start the conversation with us the way you did?
>> Facts.
>> Isn't that fair to ask? If it's not that serious, you should have just shut the hell up when we had that first stream, right? But no, it was that serious.
There were people who listened to that stream that we did as thorough as we did it. And I and I'll even save room to say that maybe we didn't do it thorough.
Fine. This is why we're having this conversation, right? But regardless, they saw that stream. They decided it was serious. They said what they said.
Now we got this stream popping. Now what you going to say?
Now what? If it's not an apology, then what? If it's not an apology, what is it? What is it? Cuz me, I feel like a dumbass right now. If I were certain people and and I'mma say this, and I'm I'mma close on this.
Odysius is black. [laughter] I say again, >> the man who is named after the Odyssey or the Odyssey is named after him, I should say.
>> Odicius himself >> is negro black. [laughter] >> I wish I could remember one of those terms that they were using to describe black people.
>> [laughter] >> One of those Greek elo super.
>> Right. Right. Right. [laughter] >> Robots. Robot.
[laughter] >> All right. Spooky. But bro, nah, man.
That's crazy. Well, look, we got C away with the member chat for 12 months.
Said, "This movie was awesome. [ __ ] the YouTube critics. I'm on the other side of the world and I'm hearing the complete opposite." Shout out to you guys. Hey, bro.
>> Appreciate you, Cassway. Nah, I appreciate that too, bro. Let me uh >> Yeah, I Oh, no. Go ahead. You won't.
>> Let me go ahead and give you a drop, bro.
Where we at with it? Where we at?
[sighs] No. I need that one. Where are you, bro?
I can't find it. Is it still in here?
>> Next caller. Mim me. know what you are a real >> I don't give a [ __ ] what you think [ __ ] your thoughts >> your thoughts your thoughts ain't my thoughts [ __ ] I'm flowing straight from the survival scroll >> cut that [ __ ] off next caller >> hey shout out to Castello's way man but nah bro I'm sitting there a said that they going to double down bro come on double down or I going to act like it they didn't say what they said.
>> I'm not doing this again, bro. Cuz y'all y'all going to unsub, bro. If I do if I do one more of these, bro, they gonna be like, "Oh my god, why did they do that?
Why they do, bro? Listen, cuz look, this [ __ ] is like this [ __ ] is like opening Pandora's box, bro. Do you really want to open that shit?" Like, you know what I'm saying? Really?
Right. Cuz I wouldn't open it. Would you open that [ __ ] bro?
>> Hell no. [laughter] >> But they have already, man. And we trying to close that [ __ ] up.
>> I'm trying I'm trying to close that [ __ ] bro. It's like >> [ __ ] crazy. [laughter] >> I'm trying to blow that [ __ ] up.
>> But wait, there's more. They going They going to pop their head up like the Undertaker. No. No. Really?
>> They're going to show Lupita looking like a slave again, bro.
>> Right.
>> That [ __ ] crazy, bro. That [ __ ] [laughter] is This is getting me nuts, bro.
>> They literally had to go find that picture, >> bro. It's always finding a picture, bro.
They just go pictures >> made a thumbnail. like they made a like I I don't know if anybody doesn't know but what it takes it takes I don't want to say it takes a lot of time to make a thumbnail but it takes a lot of effort to go find a picture of her as a slave cut her out edit however they edit to make her cry whatever make this weird make her have this like weird sad face and then pl put all the other [ __ ] they put on the thumbnail and then upload the thumbnail to the video that yo that There's a lot of effort going in there, bro. [laughter] Shin Havoc said Pandora wouldn't agree.
Uh oh, bro. Look, don't don't start doing that, bro.
>> Oh [ __ ] >> Don't do it, dog.
>> Don't start doing that.
>> Nah. Nah. I don't want to have any any like more of these Odyssey streams, bro, about the [ __ ] history of like ancient Greece and [ __ ] bro. I don't have to do that, bro. I just want to move on. I want to talk about my fun movie [ __ ] Let's not get weird with if we have conversations about race swapping. It's that's the thing too like you can't put people in like a box, man.
Like we, you know, because just when you think that you got somebody figured out, you may, you know, you just might end up finding out, you don't, you know, >> that's kind of the thesis of of what we've been saying. Number one, number two.
>> Yeah, that's the that's the thesis of what's been happening with these chuds.
Some of them it's like we thought you was this and it's like what are you? I don't know, man. Based on what your >> crazy, bro. Crazy.
>> You know, >> right?
>> So, if you think about it, right?
>> Crazy.
>> But go ahead. I ain't want to interrupt cuz I I got one more thing to say.
>> No, go ahead, bro. I was just going to say >> go ahead and finish up because I'm about to give give my final thoughts. We're going to do like the last break.
>> For sure. For sure. Uh the only thing the only thing I had left to say was it's funny we're talking about kind of like final form type thing. The final form of this whole thing is going to be Christopher Nolan going to come out and unzip his face and he going to be a black dude. [clears throat and laughter] [laughter] Watch.
>> Oh my god.
>> We going to find out. Oh damn. That's why they started to hate him. Okay.
Okay.
>> From Harlem [laughter] from Harlem, bro. Crazy, bro.
>> Instead of British, he gonna be from British Columbia and [ __ ] >> Came in here [snorts] saying, "I'll spot you a Helen, bro. You owe me a Odysius, dog. I want my O where not my Odysius.
I'mma get that [laughter] [ __ ] trending, bro. Not my Odysius, bro.
Facts. I'mma start posting [ __ ] pictures of Matt of of Matt Damon looking [ __ ] uh fat or some [ __ ] and be like, "Oh, this is your Odysius, huh?" And have him next to [ __ ] uh Idris Ela looking like a chiseled Egyptian god or some [ __ ] This is your Odysius.
Come on, bro. Imagine if we took Matt Damon looking fat and balding in like a movie that he was in and be like, "Oh, this is your Odysius, guys." Huh?
>> Nah, that's facts, bro.
>> It should have been Francis Inanu.
[snorts] You know what I'm saying?
[laughter] How about that, bro?
Oh my god, bro. This is hilarious, man.
Oh, the plot twist. Hey, that was a definitely a Nolan like twist though, right? [laughter] Right.
Zip. Hey guys, [laughter] it's really me, Ryan Cougler.
[laughter] >> It's been Ryan Cougler some darn time.
Hey, when I was doing the Odyssey, you know, um [laughter] I was very particular. I was very very particular, you know, about the lens that I was [laughter] using and uh I had to get the IMAX, right? That that 70 mm, right?
>> Cuz that crispness, you know, that crispness [laughter] like, "So, was it you the whole time this movie?" Nah, when I was working on Momento, [laughter] >> it's the whole time. Nah, no, no. Like, see, cuz when I was in art school, um, I put out this little this little fan film named Following [laughter] Following, bro. Facts.
>> Facts.
>> Right.
>> Right. And and >> I noticed that it would be better if I race swap myself as a director [laughter] to get into Hollywood so I can tell these stories, you know, [laughter] and then, you know, I kind of I kind of plan for this because now I get to reveal to y'all y'all tripping by race swapping. [laughter] I mean, but why did you have oisses be white?
Because that's a part of the plot twist, too. I [laughter] mean, a black dude within a white dude a white dude who played [laughter] >> Robert Downey Jr. couldn't write this [ __ ] better [laughter] directed by another dude.
>> Bro, final words, man. What y'all got before we get on out of here, man?
>> Um, go see the Aussie. Go see the Aussie. What's it?
>> Bang.
>> Peace. Y.
Don't make me do this again.
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