D4VD: Celeste Put Up a FIGHT Before Murder...

Added: 2026-05-15

[00:00:00]Got a very interesting David update for you guys today because the former New York City medical examiner, okay, Barbara Butcher, actually sat down with the criminally obsessed podcast just a little while before all of the paperwork came out about the alleged timeline of the murder of Celeste and the dismemberment and all the horrible things that went down. But what's really interesting is there's a podcast here that I'm going to react to with you guys where she breaks down some really interesting facts about the state that Celeste's body was found in and she raises some very very interesting point including the possibility that Celeste might well have actually put up a struggle against David and you know some of the things that were maybe found on or around her body that might give a little bit more understanding about what exactly went down between her and David on the unfortunate night that she lost her life. So, I'm going to show you a few clips from this interview um from this podcast that I think are really interesting and I'll just kind of pause and give you guys my thoughts as we go.

[00:00:53]But I think inside this podcast are some very interesting things that relate to the autopsy and they're just going to paint like a way clearer picture of how everything went down. So, in lie of a big update from the courthouse, I think this is very very interesting and there were some things in this interview that caught me by surprise. So, here it is.

[00:01:10]Okay, it's going to be talking about the blue parts in her body, the possibility of alcohol being in her system and all that kind of thing. But first thing that is basically going to come up here is um you know before prosecutors actually revealed and made it official that David had used a chainsaw to cut up the body, Barbara identified it as a possible tool and gave some more insight into how Celeste's remains were found. So she was correctly predicting things that ended up coming out soon after and it makes me feel like she's definitely credible. So listen to this.

[00:01:40]>> When you see someone that's found not only decomposing but dismembered like she was um what does this tell you about the person who did this to her?

[00:01:52]>> Um psychopath.

[00:01:54]Uh you know to dismember a human body I suppose in this instance it was for convenience. When the medical examiner's investigator showed up on scene uh you know the car was in a police impound lot looking in the trunk. Uh the uh medical legal investigator Karen Tapia I believe is her name. She noted that it was a black body bag double zippered with handles. So this is a heavyduty kind of body bag used often to take away multiple bodies from disasters. Uh it's not an ordinary body bag. It's a transport bag which you can buy on online. Um, and beneath that was a black plastic trash bag sealed up and containing her limbs. In the body bag was her torso and her head. In the trash bag were her arms and legs um, dismembered with some kind of cutting edge. And that's an interesting thing I don't see here. I want to see what the forensic anthropologist says about the tool marks on the bone.

[00:02:56]>> Right?

[00:02:57]>> They tell you so much. And that is we look at the bone where the cut occurred and we can see was it saw tothed like a like an ordinary saw was it a machete which leaves very marked you know uh some splintering and a and a heavy break um or was it a chainsaw which leaves its own particular marks. We don't see that in the report yet and I know it takes some time for forensic anthropology to come to their conclusions.

[00:03:24]>> So she's a sharp woman right? So she put forward this possibility quite quite some time ago saying look we're going to be able to know what cut up the body.

[00:03:31]We're going to be able to see the liature marks and work out if it was a handsaw, a chainsaw or machete. So this goes this is the credibility that this woman is bringing to the table and it's very very very interesting. And I also thought it was fascinating that she said straight up the state the body was found in is indicative of a psychopath. no normal. This isn't a normal way of dealing with somebody with dealing with a you know it just the fact the mere circumstances are an indication that David is indeed a psychopath. Now I thought that was really really interesting. Um so later on she kind of opens up some more. Um, she would point out that while the autopsy used the clinical term dismemberment for Celeste's limbs, um, it described her fingers as mutilated, she would actually break down some of Celeste's other injuries. And there could well be more beneath the surface that we've not paid attention to beyond, you know, the stabbing and the dismemberment and the chainsaw. There could have been more.

[00:04:19]There could have been physical injuries.

[00:04:21]You know, there could have been other altercations that went down that were kind of, you know, superseded by the state the body was found in. Do you think this was sort of that time during the killing or before the killing?

[00:04:34]>> Well, just the fact that the investigator used the term mutilated makes me think permortem in the in the time of her death >> as a part of the killing.

[00:04:44]>> Yeah, there's something else. Now, she has two u fatal stab wounds. One is to the liver. Uh and it's sharp. So, I'm going to say it's likely a knife. Uh probably a single-edged based on the description here. And uh yeah, you can see this now on this lower stab wound.

[00:05:01]It would be to my left to the deedence's right. There's a defect there um that goes into the liver. Now, that's going to cause a lot of bleeding, right? So, that that's a potentially fatal wound.

[00:05:12]>> What Barbara's showing us right now is the actual autopsy reports, right? So, these are the illustrations that were done um at the time of autopsy. This is fascinating. So on her left side, high up on the chest, just below the nipple, we see a another stab wound. And this one is interesting. It goes between the ribs in the in the uh into the plural space. In other words, you know, your lungs are held in a in a in a sealed container in a sense. And um once that container is pierced, air rushes in and the lung collapses. So that would cause a terrible kind of suffocation um asphixxia. And interestingly, the cortical surfaces of the ribs are both um we call it disrupted. In other words, there's there's marks on them. And the cortical surface is the outer surface of your bone is very hard. And that's where your weight is supported. So, those are very strong, dense areas of the bone. Um meaning that whatever she was stabbed with was heavy enough and sharp enough to cut into those ribs into that bone.

[00:06:18]So, uh, and the knife was not, let me put it this way, it was not just slipped in. It had to be stabbed in with enough force to cut that.

[00:06:26]>> Wow. So, she's saying that, you know, some of these more serious uh things could have happened while Celeste were were alive. Um, and that David would have allegedly, if it was him, obviously, but um, allegedly he would have had to use a lot of force. He would have had to really really put his weight into it to actually cause injuries that are this devastating. And it just again I think indicates psychopathic behavior.

[00:06:49]I think this is just hard to even see anything other than this guy being a psychopath. Now from here uh she would explain that actually Celeste injuries in her belief actually point to a possibility of a struggle. Um and it's possible that Celeste might well have put up a fight against David before she lost her life.

[00:07:05]>> Now something else I noted this shows that there are other shallow cuts. Mhm.

[00:07:10]>> Um, notice on the back view, uh, that would be her right. There are multiple defects, one inch to, I think one and 3/4 in.

[00:07:20]>> In other words, small stab wounds, I think, is what they're saying here. So, not fatal wounds, but stab wounds here and there. Um, there's an abrasion.

[00:07:30]There's multiple abrasions um on her hand on the right dorsal surface, you know, up here. Multiple linear abrasions. Um, does that mean she was dragged?

[00:07:42]>> Does that mean something else happened to her? Some other kind of wound? Uh, I don't really know, but there were small defects in the skin, sharp defects. So, was she stabbed multiple times?

[00:07:56]Um, >> so it seems like there were signs of a struggle. There were these sort of slices on her hands, or at least what looked like. Sounds like she may well have been putting up a struggle, trying to fight against him, trying to stop.

[00:08:07]And honestly, it just makes me so sad cuz it just makes you imagine like the scenario, the situation this little girl was in when, you know, David came at her with a knife. She was probably just absolutely dumbfounded. Probably couldn't believe like for re you really coming at me with a knife trying to kill me? Like this poor little girl just had absolutely no idea just how dark this person she was dealing with was. And um you know it just really really makes me sad to think about her kind of struggling in her final moments thinking what the [ __ ] is this guy's coming at me with a knife? He really trying to kill me like what have I gotten myself into?

[00:08:42]It's so so sad to even just imagine that scenario and you know the desperate fight that she probably put up against this and David wasn't a big guy but Celeste was just a kid man and there really wouldn't have been too much of a way that she could have uh that she could have fought back and stopped this happening. It's so so sad. So after this um she would go on to kind of examine the autopsy's uh wording and would talk about objects um the word objects being used to describe the cause of death um and gave some more sort of insights into the decomposition. Essentially just giving some more backstory and understanding as to why the autopsy ended up saying what it said regarding the objects that she was killed with.

[00:09:22]>> Yeah, that's correct. And then the the stab wounds to her body appear to be from a sharp knife because they have smooth edges. Um there are other ways to stab a body. And I noticed on the autopsy report they said multiple cause of death was multiple penetrating injuries. Manner of death is a homicide and how injury occurred was with objects. That's an interesting term. Now part of this is because she was so very very uh decomposed.

[00:09:49]>> Um it was really terrible. She was partially liquefied, partially skeletonized.

[00:09:56]>> There were it was extensive maggot activity.

[00:09:59]>> And that would have happened if she was left out. I mean, she couldn't be sealed up in something for for there to be insects, could she?

[00:10:07]>> That's a very interesting question. Um, usually if someone is instantly put in, you know, they're murdered and then they're instantly put into a body bag and their dismembered limbs are instantly put into a trash bag, that would likely uh prevent this insect activity.

[00:10:26]So what we can do is look at the the the development stages. Uh we have first we get eggs laid by flies then they become macketta where they crawl off the body into another area and hatch again into flies.

[00:10:42]And based on the number of these areas where we find puba or maggus we can tell that the body was outside somewhere and it even gives us an estimation of how long the person was dead. I'm not talking hours or even days. I'm talking about weeks. So if we see hoopa at a scene, >> uh we know that the the body was there for at least two way weeks, possibly more. Um so that helps us with time of death, but that tells me that the body was out that it didn't it wasn't initially put into these body packs because they are sealed. Now flies, the smell of this is of course absolutely unbearable. It's awful. Flies can smell decomposition and decay from hundreds of yards, maybe even a mile. I don't know exactly. But when this car was out on the street in Los Angeles, the smell had to be horrible. And you would see flies buzzing around this front trunk of the car.

[00:11:41]>> Sure.

[00:11:42]>> Um so any passerby would notice this pretty instantly. Uh especially in that heat. So I believe she was left out for some time before she was put into those body bags.

[00:11:55]>> Now this is extremely interesting because a few people have put forward this theory that David actually might have taken the body to Santa Barbara immediately after the murder. Now, the murder allegedly went down between 10:10 and 10:30 p.m. Celeste had been driven from David's uh from her property in Lake Elenor at 8:40 p.m. She arrived around 10:10 p.m. And uh allegedly the murder happened right after she arrived.

[00:12:18]A lot of people have put forward this theory because David drove around 11:30 to 2 hours north of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, stayed there till the early hours of the morning, and then came back and got to a radio interview. He ordered the body bag, the chainsaw, all that kind of thing. and the alleged dismemberment took place um on the 5th of May. But allegedly there were other trips to Santa Barbara. Now what she said was very interesting. She said if a body is placed directly into a body bag immediately after the death, you don't see insect activity. Flies need to come and lay this is so gross. But flies need to come and lay eggs on the decaying flesh for bugs and lava and insects and maggots to begin to feast on the the bio waste that is available on the body. Okay, I'm just going to try and speak about this in very matterof fact terms. So, I'm sure that flies can still lay eggs and a body can still decay and get insect activity if it's left inside of his house, not in a body bag. if it was sealed in the Tesla from the get-go, probably would have been less likely that there would have been insect activity. The way she just said that with her expertise, it actually makes me think, did David take the body and go leave it like in the woods or something like that? Was he maybe hoping that this would happen? Right. If you go and leave some meat out in the middle of the in a park or some woods, you're going to see flies. You're going to see insects, you're going to see ants, you're going to see all sorts of things going after it. Now, you know, we saw an IG, we saw a Twitch live stream where people were saying, "Oh, David, your house full of fly, full of bugs. Um, what was it? They said no spiders. There's little spiders everywhere." So, that makes you wonder, was that insect activity was happening inside of his David's house where he left the body in the garage? Maybe bugs were in there. You know, I'm sure bugs can get into a garage, not airtight.

[00:14:10]But, it does make me think perhaps he went and left the body. Perhaps he went and found a little spot in Santa Barbara in the mountains, thinking no one's going to find it. I'm going to put it up here. I'm going to leave it here. Maybe I'll deal with it later. Maybe he thought that was it. He was just going to leave it up there for good. And that it would just go away. Then maybe he had a change of heart. I thought, "No, I need to go back. I need to I need to Oh, uh, crazy. Okay. Absolute insanity. This guy's a psychopath." But anyway, um Barbara would also open up about um one of the things that sort of has been a a massive debate in this case, uh the alcohol allegedly found in Celeste's system and kind of what the wounds on her body and some of the toxicology report might actually indicate about what was going on when she died.

[00:14:52]>> She had a very low level of ethanol, um which does not necessarily mean that she ingested alcohol. When the body decomposes, it creates alcohols in the tissues. Um there was something about a uh methamphetamine and aderall and rolin. Those are you know types of stimulants. So it could be a perfectly um you know normal prescribed drug that she had on board. Uh again I note she was only 5'2 and 71 pounds.

[00:15:23]The traumatic injuries uh they show us the orientation. You can see that here.

[00:15:28]the way that the knife was angled. Um, they perforate the skin, the soft tissue and the liver, uh, about one and a half inches deep into the liver. And then, you know, as I said, it was probably a a a collapsed lung because of that that that the nature of how deep that knife went. So it says multiple skin defects are present off over the torso with many perforating the skin and soft tissue without hemorrhage. Interesting linear abrasions on the hand. I think we've got more cuts and wounds than than just those two stab wounds that killed her.

[00:16:10]That bothers me a lot.

[00:16:11]>> And that bothers you because that shows that there was possibly a struggle.

[00:16:16]There was there there was attempts made to stab multiple times with possibly different objects.

[00:16:24]>> Yeah, that's possible. Um I'm thinking, you know, there's a difference between a stab and a cut. A stab goes deep. A cut is somewhat linear. Cuts through the skin and the flesh doesn't penetrate deeply.

[00:16:36]>> Um and again, I don't know if they were permortem, postmortem, or anti-mortem.

[00:16:42]um they didn't see extensive hemorrhage, but small cuts to the skin, although very very painful, don't necessarily bleed a lot. And if they do bleed, it's it's superficial. It could be wiped off.

[00:16:53]That bothers me. Um that she was possibly cut before she was dead. Um >> well, and I think we went over like the the depth of the penetrating wounds. um the way you've described it um they were deep enough to puncture the lung cause some level of asphyxiation and she would that would be enough for her to perish.

[00:17:17]>> So basically from here okay what she's she's going to explain is that either of the two stab wounds could have been fatal. It could have been either one of them that killed her. Um and she would basically go on to talk about the other substances that were found in Celeste system. Now, I do think that it is quite interesting that um you know, she said that yeah, there was allegedly methamphetamine, but she might have been prescribed ritin or aderall. She might had ADHD and that was completely normal and the alcohol in her system may well just be part of the decomposition process. So, she's going to kind of break all of that down.

[00:17:45]>> That's right. The liver wound would be enough for her to bleed out. And the um the stab wound, although it didn't penetrate the lung, it did penetrate the chest cavity. So, we could get a collapsed lung there. And that's a nasty way to die. uh very painful and it's a slow suffocation. Uh I'm going to note also that there was no evidence of strangulation which is interesting. Um when we have a crime of that's very personal when a woman is killed by a man with whom there was some physical abuse or relations very often strangling and we don't see any evidence of that here.

[00:18:18]There's no hemorrhages to the strap muscles. The high bone is intact um and there's no injury to the neck itself. So that's an you know in ruling out certain things it gives us a better focus on what's important here on the toxicology benzoazipam um possibly a tranquilizer and we don't know how much um of tranquilizer was in the body when when someone's decomposed we can't get a clear toxicology where we can see that it's there and how much is there so we don't have blood that we can test but we can test >> we just know that it's there >> yeah we know that it's there now I noticed that the scene investigator Tapia collected the maggots at the scene. We can spin those down and get a toxicology from the maggots since they are >> eating the flesh. Um, so you know, we we learned so much from these autopsy reports.

[00:19:10]>> So she's really digging deep into the autopsy deeper than anyone else really and and getting a lot more understanding from it than I've ever seen personally.

[00:19:18]Um, it's really really interesting. Now, she would return to the dismemberment again and talk about that. And just bear in mind, this interview was before we knew that it was done with a chainsaw.

[00:19:27]Um, but it's still really interesting to hear how she's kind of thinking about >> clothes, the underwear, um, her shirt had several cut marks, the leggings were in three pieces from this dismemberment.

[00:19:37]What does this tell you when the clothes are still on the victim like that?

[00:19:42]>> She was stabbed through her uh, I think it was a tube top and there were at least three defects in that tube top.

[00:19:48]So, um, and if I'm if I'm correct, those are sort of short, so we can have the abdomen exposed. I don't know if all two tops look like that, but that's what she was wearing along with leggings and socks. Um, that means she was stabbed through the fabric. Uh, and I noticed at least three defects in that fabric, meaning it wasn't just the two fatal wounds, but there was another stab wound or cut to her body.

[00:20:09]>> And they kept the clothes on.

[00:20:11]>> Yeah.

[00:20:12]>> As they dismembered her body, they kept those clothes on.

[00:20:15]>> Yep. Yeah. makes it harder, doesn't it?

[00:20:18]And again, it tells me something about the instrument that was used.

[00:20:22]>> Okay.

[00:20:23]>> So, it wouldn't be a scalpel because cutting through clothes and then through the the flesh causes dulling. And you'd note that on the uh >> So, elsewhere in the interview, um she would also touch on the missing finger.

[00:20:35]Obviously, Celeste was missing, I believe, two fingers from her left hand.

[00:20:38]Um and she would kind of give some speculation about what might have happened to those fingers. I've seen a few theories going around that maybe David might have actually cut off the fingers to test burning them. He'd obviously bought the bird burn cage maybe to just see if like he could actually get get away with burning human remains in a burn cage. So he might have tested out the fingers. But she would give her some of her thoughts on it and she would describe the whole killing as coldblooded and utilitarian. So just heartless basically psychopathic murder.

[00:21:05]Pure speculation when a person is killed and something's missing like jewelry or fingers and it when I think about souvenir I think about serial killers um because they often take souvenirs.

[00:21:19]>> This killing seems to be much more utilitarian to me. It was done a knife which is personal. Uh so that means the person did not have the perpetrator didn't have access to a gun which would be so much easier. uh the fact that she was dismembered is utilitarian, >> right?

[00:21:39]>> All this points to getting rid of a person, not a killing of passion, not of jealousy, not of a huge fight that turned bad and turned physical. It's utilitarian. It's business. They needed to get rid of her.

[00:21:56]>> And here's the thing, like there's a tattoo on her other finger that says sh on it.

[00:22:02]>> Yeah. In if you are looking to hide a body and dismember a body, why would you leave a tattooed finger on that body?

[00:22:12]>> Amateur.

[00:22:14]>> Amateur. You know, a professional would never leave the hands in dismembering someone. Never. You don't want fingerprints. Would never leave a tattooed finger. But what does that little tattoo sh say to me? And she has a secret. is the secret that her she's she's seeing or having some relationship with this so-called celebrity singer. I never even heard of this person, but um she has a secret and that's why we say sh and that's just my interpretation of it.

[00:22:46]>> It is damning, right? I mean, the fact that it was a shush tattoo and they got them together and it's like you got this big secret and you're dealing with a minor. Like, it's just it's just like again, there's just so many things in this case that are pretty inexplicable.

[00:22:58]I mean, it's hard to even put your put yourself in the mindset of somebody so depraved. But anyway, one of the most disturbing parts of this interview would come after that. Uh, and this would be some discussion of, you know, the the eye that was missing. And uh you know there's been a lot of debate about whether David actually removed Celeste's eye or whether this was you know part of the decomposition process but she would touch on this too.

[00:23:20]>> Um there were other things here. Yeah.

[00:23:22]Mutilation of that and uh >> and the eye could you see the eye was does that tell you anything that that left eye was not present?

[00:23:30]>> Um is that unusual or is that something that just happens over a period of decomposition?

[00:23:37]>> Good question. terrible to think about, but the other eye was present, although liquefied, decomposed.

[00:23:44]Is there some way that that eye, that missing orbit, could have been so decomposed that it liquefied and drained away? Um, I don't know. It's possible it came out before.

[00:23:59]>> Well, depending on which way our head was facing, too, for so long in that car.

[00:24:03]>> Yeah, >> you have.

[00:24:04]>> That's so messed up, man. that's just so messed up, you know, and the fact that she's an expert in this and she can't even say for sure one way or the other, I think it's interesting. But she would raise a really interesting question at the end of this, and this is something I'm going to talk about even even more detail in another video. Um, but basically, she would touch on the question as to why why did David allegedly not actually follow through with disposing of this body.

[00:24:25]>> Yeah.

[00:24:25]>> That gets impounded. Mhm.

[00:24:27]>> Um it just what one question we were thinking amongst ourselves thinking about this with my team was was the suspect possibly unable to to release this body couldn't be separated from this body for some reason like I'm getting into the psych psychology of it but it almost feels like they didn't want to let go >> because it didn't go very far.

[00:24:55]>> Interesting. is certainly a stupid way to get rid of a body. I mean, it's it's obvious that there's a smell coming out of a car on a public street. Um, yeah, it's a stupid way to get rid of a body.

[00:25:09]So, maybe there is some I I I'm not a psychologist, but some reluctance to let go that may be evidenced by the fact that she was kept somewhere before she was placed into the body bag. And we were summizing that based on the insect activity that occurred, no doubt before she was placed into these body bags. Um, yeah, there's a circular deflect defect on her left flank.

[00:25:35]>> There's multiple cuts into the tube top.

[00:25:38]What do these things mean?

[00:25:40]>> Yeah, >> it can almost develop a picture in your mind of somebody being cut multiple times or scraped and then stabbed fatally. Um, it's not an efficient killing. Let's put it that way.

[00:25:53]>> No. No. So, as we sometimes say, >> amateur.

[00:25:58]>> I saw >> So, he's basically saying this amateur hour murder, right? And look, this isn't a murder Olympics or nothing like that.

[00:26:04]I'm not trying to crack jokes about this, but basically, she's just saying, look, the the situation was just so screwed, right? This guy's a psychopath.

[00:26:13]He's exhibiting potentially signs of serial killer and he's just amate it's just amateur hour. You're just [ __ ] at murders and it's not a joke. Like you're just [ __ ] You're [ __ ] at this. You suck. Like David sucked at this. He kind of sucked at music and he sucked at committing crimes allegedly. Okay. So I do feel like that's just that's just a fact. All right. It's not not you know what I'm saying? But anyway, um Barbara would go on to note that actually when Celeste remains were found, they weighed 71 lbs. And you know, there's some some good reasons why the body might have weighed so little upon being found >> or she's found. Her missing poster showed her weighing 120 lbs.

[00:26:48]>> Her remains weighed in at 71 pounds.

[00:26:52]>> That's right.

[00:26:53]>> Yeah.

[00:26:54]>> How much is this normal for decomposition? And how much is this? It tells us what her physical state was before she died.

[00:27:01]>> Um, we that's an interesting question.

[00:27:04]We don't know if in the time be between she was last spotted and the time she was found, how long was she alive? Was she starving or did the decomposition effectively dehydrate her to a certain extent? So, we're about 60% water, our bodies, and um in a hot sun that will evaporate. uh certainly like bodies out in the desert, they desiccate and they dry out very quickly and become uh mummies. In the case of this young girl, we do see some liquefaction in in the liquid at the bottom of the body bag.

[00:27:44]So, who knows? Did was it strictly the the result of of evaporation before she was put in the bag or was she losing weight over some period of weeks? I I don't really know. It's hard to figure out.

[00:27:57]>> Is there anything? So, it's it's a weird interesting point she makes saying like, was was this part of the decomposition?

[00:28:03]We don't know. She might have lost tons of weight in the leadup. It makes you wonder, was she malnourished? Was she not being looked after? Was she had she spent other time with David? He wasn't feeding her. Was he on her about her weight? I don't really know, but it does suggest maybe a maybe a little bit of both.

[00:28:20]Okay. Um, so she'd give more insight into something we discussed earlier, this burn cage, and some of the reasons that David might not have followed through with using it. week for her. She was called to come to the house. So he laid and wait for her. So the fact of having a chainsaw present and a burn a burn uh we call them burn barrels, burn cage.

[00:28:40]>> Um that's a good way to get dispose of a body, isn't it?

[00:28:44]>> Uh those burn cages suck up enough oxygen um that they burn very very hot, well over a thousand degrees, and you can cremate a body in them. And it would be easiest if the parts were dismembered with a chainsaw. That's the fastest way to do a dismemberment and then put into this burn cage. Um, probably what you'd have left is ash and probably bone fragments as well. Uh, cremation is never really complete. There's always something left behind. Why didn't he use number one is to set up fire anywhere in the Los Angeles area is probably a crime. You know, to set up You go to prison for that.

[00:29:25]>> Yeah. I mean, look at Malibu. Look what happened. Burned down half a damn city.

[00:29:28]It's it's horrible. So, if anyone noticed a burn cage in someone's yard, they would call the police immediately.

[00:29:35]The fire department. Those burn cages do contain the the burning matter, but there's always embers that fly out, and it only takes one ember to set the grass on fire, and then next thing you know, you have a a huge um uh brush fire, which will spread rapidly in the winged heat.

[00:29:55]>> Well, and this was in the wake of the Hollywood Hills and the Palisades fires.

[00:29:58]I mean, this was literally in the wake of all of that >> as far as the time period goes. So, >> so it's interesting, right? because there was rumors that maybe the murder had taken place sooner and David was using the fires as cover. It turned out that that wasn't the case. But I think just in a climate of, you know, wildfires in Los Angeles, it would be very dumb amateur hour to try and even use, let alone to try and buy, let alone use a burn cage in Hollywood.

[00:30:23]Ridiculous. Only takes, as she said, only takes one ember to light the whole brush on fire and then you got another palisades on your hands. So anyway, the last thing I'm going to uh point out from this interview uh is this is basically Barbara kind of finally addresses the possibility that other people might have been involved. And again, so many people have said it before. It's not easy to move a whole human body. It's not easy to chainsaw a body apart. You need one. You might need two hands to operate the chainsaw. You need to hold the Look, I ain't tried to do that. I'm never going to try to do that. But I still think other people are involved.

[00:30:55]Personally, >> who's the term they?

[00:30:57]>> Yeah. Um, if you have an entourage, if you have friends around, people who would say to you, "Yeah, uh, let's see.

[00:31:05]Don't use the burn cage." Yeah, because I know we're going to get caught. Or, um, no, don't use the chainsaw because it's hard to clean. Uh, or let's get a body bag. We can order it online.

[00:31:17]I hear advisors in the background. I do.

[00:31:20]I can't picture one person, a singer, sitting around planning how to dispose of a body without someone else knowing his thoughts. Just an idea, but there you go.

[00:31:32]>> Yeah, I know. They've got they've got some very serious witnesses that they're looking at. So, yeah.

[00:31:36]>> Yeah.

[00:31:37]>> Yeah. Yeah. I think someone helped him.

[00:31:39]That's just my opinion. Okay. But look, I thought this was a really interesting interview. I hope you found that useful.

[00:31:43]Okay. Okay, I'm going to do another video um just covering kind of some of the speculation and theories that are going around about why David actually decided to follow through this, why he approached this situation in the way that he did. And uh I'm going to kind of get deep into some of the comments and look at some some of the theories that you guys have uh you know been spreading and some of the information, the evidence that's going around um about why on earth this happened. So stay tuned for another video about that. Um I hope you found this one useful and I'll be back with some more content. I'm going to do another Chud video today and I'm going to do another David video today. So, it's going to be a full four.

[00:32:14]Hope you guys are enjoying the content, staying locked in, all of that good stuff, man. I'm very, very grateful for you guys supporting and watching and trusting me, man. It's it's it's it's, you know what I'm saying? It's my dream job doing YouTube. So, I'm so grateful we get to do this. Even if I'm going through it, even when I'm going through it mentally, I'm so glad I get to do this with you guys. So, keeps me going, man. Appreciate you guys. Catch you guys in the next video. I'm out.