TRABALHO E MUDANÇA: fim da escala 6x1 e redução da jornada | Tereza e Gislana - Fala de Mulher

Added: 2026-06-03

[00:00:00]Against a pink background, the text reads " Women Speak," a program for working-class voices.

[00:00:07]Inside the word "woman," highlighted in the center, are black and white photos of white, black, and diverse women.

[00:01:00]We are in Argislana.

[00:01:02]Good evening, everyone. Today's "Fala de Mulher" (Women's Speak), this program from Voz Trabalhadora (Worker's Voice), will be done by a duo of two, since my colleague Teresa Vilela is ill today with a bad case of the flu and will only appear if I call for help.

[00:01:25]So I hope you'll stay here with me and my little brother, who's this loyal companion who's here with me. We're both going to continue this conversation today, right? And to begin our conversation today, we thought it would be good to bring up the topic of work, these work relationships, the 6x1 work schedule, and the issue of artificial intelligence, which, in our opinion, brings problems to our jobs and our work positions. But to start today's conversation, and I'm going to begin by doing something that's important, which is telling you all... Today I am Gislana Vale, I am a Black woman with light brown skin, I don't have black skin.

[00:02:15]Here I am with my dark braided hair, which is a very trademark of mine, and my little red lipstick.

[00:02:21]Speaking today about Niterói, which is a bit chilly for me, a migrant woman from Ceará, coming from temperatures as high as 35 degrees Celsius.

[00:02:29]With temperatures of 20 degrees Celsius, that's a lot, isn't it? I'm here feeling cold, wearing a light jacket, all bundled up, and today I'm bringing a very special guest to our conversation, right?

[00:02:44]Last week, I was doing a tour of Rio de Janeiro, which is the capital of our state, and I saw a play called Six Actors in Search of Machado, right?

[00:03:02]So today, for our conversation about work, about Brazil, about scale 61, I'm going to talk about Machado de Assis, right? Just a reminder that I am a woman working in the cultural sector.

[00:03:18]So, Machado de Assis, besides being a beloved figure in my life, always as a reader, and as a Black person, Machado is a character from this city of Rio de Janeiro, and he brings us some perspectives on these places in the 20th century, which are still very much influenced by Machado's words and writings from the 19th century.

[00:03:47]So, I'll start by saying good evening and that I'm really counting on you all to join me in talking today, given the enormous absence of dear Teresa Vilela, who is actually the main person on this program. I'm just her assistant, but since she couldn't come today, I'm here trying to make this place interesting for us. Wow, Rio de Janeiro has a very vibrant cultural life, doesn't it? Some things are very interesting to watch, and others are for us to think about.

[00:04:30]This play, uh, six actors in search of an axe, is something that touched me quite a bit, because it gives me a strong feeling that we are revisiting the present, thinking about the past through the words of Machado de Assis. So I'm going to describe for you a little bit of what's being promoted about this play that will be performed at the library park, which will include a discussion about the writings of Machado de Assis. So here we go, I'm using my technology, which is shaded screen reading. For those who do n't know, since I'm a blind woman and I use a screen reader to access the computer or my cell phone and talk to you, I'm going to have my screen reader read to me and I'm going to repeat step by step with it here for you.

[00:05:22]So, in this invitation, he says: "We invite you to a conversation with Machado de Assis, and the title of this talk is 'Seeing Beyond Appearances'."

[00:05:35]Following the performance, Six Actors in Search of Machado with audio description. And this will happen at the park library, which is a space in the center of Rio de Janeiro that has a theater. Rio de Janeiro is a place where many theaters constantly position themselves in front of us.

[00:05:56]This will happen next Thursday, which is May 28th.

[00:06:00]Before the play, the director will give a talk about Machado de Assis as a kind of reading workshop, especially since the venue is a park library.

[00:06:14]And there?

[00:06:21]I'm here going over the scenes; this part will be about 30 to 40 minutes long, and the show is 70 minutes. So this will happen on Thursday afternoon at the park library here in Rio de Janeiro. Anyone who happens to be around and ventures out will be welcome and will be quite surprised.

[00:06:43]This performance, by the way, has an interesting feature: it offers complimentary tickets for visually impaired people like me. So, we always get publicity for these shows, and that's how I end up being present at some of the memorable things that happen here in Rio de Janeiro.

[00:07:04]What will she be talking about in the lecture?

[00:07:08]Well, the title the speaker gave to this talk about Machado de Assis is "Seeing Beyond Appearances."

[00:07:19]The speaker is Rif Magno, who is the director of this play.

[00:07:23]He proposes an accessible, critical immersion into the literary universe of Machado de Assis, bringing readers closer to the contemporary power of his work through visual infographics and interactive language, right? It's a way to ensure that people with disabilities, like me, also have this discussion included from the perspective of accessibility.

[00:07:52]The meeting, which is this encounter organized by Rife, based on the play, will address some issues that are very present in the work of Machado de Assis.

[00:08:04]Irony, social commentary, and an unreliable narrator.

[00:08:11]Jealousy, madness, appearance, and human ambiguity, present in works such as Dom Casmurro, The Alienist, Posthumous Memoirs of Braga, have permeated my literary life, and Machado de Assis was and is a very present figure in my life.

[00:08:35]And besides that, uh, Rif is going to give a talk about these short stories, about these books by Machado. And in the play, she uses as a reference stories also written by Machado.

[00:08:49]Well, the play takes place in a rehearsal room. The artists are starting to select short stories by Machado de Assis to spark a discussion about the times we are living in.

[00:09:07]And they bring up this discussion in an attempt to understand the present time, because although Machado is situated in 19th-century Brazil, 20th-century Brazil still brings with it a discussion very much from Machado's perspective. And it is from this that we would like to bring to the behind-the-scenes aspects of our program today, just as the actors do in the play, the six actors searching for Machado. This idea comes from some of Machado de Assis's short stories. One of those stories, uh, is the one about the pair of boots, right, which is quite a philosophical story.

[00:09:49]I must tell you that watching the play, in addition to having read the short story, brings up certain aspects in the discussion. Well, it's a discussion between two boots, and they weave together this discussion based on the idea that they inhabit royal spaces, and as they become worn out, they are set aside, relegated, according to their discussion, to different class categories, until at a certain point, they are thrown onto the beach and a homeless person picks them up, and they engage in a philosophical discussion that seems to me to trace and bring a line that speaks to work. Work, what is work like, what is this condition of reducing our working hours, of having this understanding of what work is in the 20th century, what work was in the 19th and 20th centuries, and how these relationships are presented to us and how they are being discussed in Congress, in everyday life, in journalism, based on our working hours, the reduction of working hours, and changes in labor rights.

[00:11:16]So, uh, I was thinking a lot about this while I was reading, watching, and reading this text that talks about the play that brings up this discussion. Besides this short story that brings up the discussion about boots, Machado also raises the issue of work in a chronicle, specifically about donkeys, right?

[00:11:39]It's a discussion between the donkeys that pulled the streetcar in the 19th century, who go through different situations. The donkeys that pull the tram in the old way of driving the tram, and the tram powered by electricity. And then the donkeys talk amongst themselves and they make comments about how the good thing about electricity is that he thinks of himself as electricity. And I was thinking a lot that this discussion brought up [clearing throat] in the play with the donkeys, it really brings to light a place within Brazilian society that speaks volumes about us thinking we are something we are not. We have a social place, we have a territorial place, we have a cultural place, we have a place organized based on gender, race, class, and generation. And we're always thinking about it as if we, many times, don't locate ourselves in that place that is... We've been having a big discussion about work.

[00:12:55]Today we have a huge discussion about the work of men and women, about our wage differences. We've been having a big discussion about work from the perspective of people with disabilities, and our job quotas. We have been experiencing a significant weakening of our workplace, particularly for people with disabilities, stemming from a misunderstanding, or rather a complete lack of understanding, within the Brazilian legislature at various levels—municipal, state, and federal—who are unfamiliar with the laws already in place and proceed to legislate as if they lived in small fiefdoms. I am my fiefdom, it's a city in the Northeast, my fiefdom is a city in the Southeast, my fiefdom is a city in the South, in the Midwest, in the North. And then I'll be legislating, uh, beyond [clearing throat] recognizing existing legislation. And today we have a great deal of confusion in labor legislation itself, a weakening of labor relations. And since I'm a woman who comes from public policy, you know, even though I work in culture today, I come from a discussion of public policy, I often think about how work, for example, in the 90s we discussed a society for non- work, but not non-work taken away from us, but work that would allow us to live productively, that would allow us to study more. To experience the culture, to cultivate our family and human relationships, to stroll, to travel, to live with more dignity in a relationship that is more possible for all people. And that's a little bit of the conversation we're having in this discussion about work. So I wanted to see if Maninho is offering to give us a little preview of our assistants. Is anyone there yet?

[00:15:13]Goodnight. Good evening everyone. For now, here's the message. Patricia Maneta, good evening. Big hug for you, my friend. Straight to you, Gislana.

[00:15:26]You can proceed with the program. I'm going to start participating, guys. I will participate. Yes, let's go. So, folks, that's pretty much it.

[00:15:34]Starting from this trajectory of Machado de Assis's short stories, we can think about these labor relations, the weakening of legislation, and even then, what is the concept of work, right?

[00:15:47]Today, work is done in many different ways, right? It starts with the "pejotization," right? Which is when a physical person becomes their own company, and beyond that, it's a work relationship that brings up issues related to that. When I put that story about the donkeys that comment on the donkey being led by the one that pulls the streetcar in the old model and the streetcar being pulled by electricity, we have ways of work happening and many times work, as we know it, in some specificities of professions, they are remade, requalified, resumed, but in some others they end up constituting the same way of existing, in the most, let's say, impeding way for us to constitute ourselves as human beings, right? A job that still demands all possible hours from us, right? We were able to understand this much better during the pandemic, when we were working from home.

[00:17:18]Some people still stay in that system a few days a week, but then we lose track of [clearing throat] this is my time and this is the time for me to receive information, requests from my employer, my colleagues, my workplace, work demands, [snoring] uh, at all times, right? So, we have a bit of that. So, continuing with this script from the Machado de Assis play, we have another story that talks about the thread and the needle, right? The thread and the needle, they argue about which one is the most important at work. And today, listening to the radio this morning, I heard a discussion on CBN, right, CBN radio, they're having a discussion about work management. [snoring] And I saw someone saying that we, as managers at work, have this idea that we need to find the flaws in the people who work with us, and we've been trained less to do that and even less to find their qualities, right? I think that's also an issue that influences labor relations, right?

[00:18:45]Well, as a cultural worker, today my job is much more defined by other labor relations, right? Well, I work and, uh, I watch the shows, think about accessible scripts for them, uh, I think about discussions that allow accessibility to be presented in a less traditional way, which is, I'm a researcher in this field, my doctoral research is about this, right? And then I start thinking about other professions, because I've worked in many different things during this time. I've been a public servant in education, I've been a public servant in the Social Assistance Secretariat, working with the coordination of elderly people and people with disabilities in Ceará.

[00:19:38]And I often think about how these relationships are affected by changes in the times we live in, right? And here's something I think is important at this moment, as we prepare for a major contest in our country, which is the presidential election, and that we should think a little about this. So I wanted to ask my brother if we could put up our first video that talks a little about this issue of scale 6 so we can go back to this conversation about work.

[00:20:17]Goodnight. Goodnight. First, I'll put a little message from Rorato here. He arrived and wished us a good evening here in the chat.

[00:20:24]Then here's a message from Teresa Velela herself, sending a question. Teresa, oh, you who look at the world as one who transforms routine into literature.

[00:20:38]If the 6-for-1 journey were to become a character in a Brazilian novel, it would be a silent tragedy, a naturalized dystopia, or a weary protagonist trying to discover if there is still life outside the clock. Or would it be different, what would it be like?

[00:20:57][clearing throat] And these are quite interesting questions, and I'm making them available to the public so we can answer them ourselves. What do you think this change in life, in our working lives, would mean? This change in our journey, this rethinking of our work schedule, opening up spaces for other forms of interaction, other life proposals.

[00:21:32]What do you think?

[00:21:35]That's a big question for us to think about, and actually we're not here to answer it, we're here to reflect on it together, right? So I think that's a good strategy for us to consider.

[00:21:52]Celso Munhó is also here, sending his regards to us.

[00:21:57]Now I'll have to apologize to the public as well. Gislana, I wasn't asked for any videos for today. I didn't separate any, they didn't send me the link to anything.

[00:22:08]Look, everyone, you see how I'm just a helper? This video was of Teresa Pirela having separated, but it's okay.

[00:22:16]Come on, let's move forward while she sends it to us. That's not possible.

[00:22:22][laughs] Look, did you see how bad it is to be an assistant in the main team? But it will work out, Boninho. I will get it right. So, folks, even without the issue of our video, I think we can continue this discussion, right, this discussion about labor relations, right? Well, I think, as a working woman, and as someone who studies public policy, thinking a lot about this relationship with the work of Machado de Assis, with this Machadian relationship, going back to the needle and thread, which is more important? Who manages the work, who is the work manager, right? Or, we who do this work, and how does this work management affect our lives? Well, I have a lot of things to think about regarding this. I think that managing work is a possibility, because even when we're living our daily, personal lives, right? Often, we manage the work of other people who are close to us. And just for us to reflect on these Machadian relationships in Fortaleza, where I also have a house, because I come from there, right?

[00:23:49][snoring] Uh, there's a person who usually cleans my house, and one of the things she tells me that makes me think a lot about these work relationships is that she's going to do the cleaning work at people's houses and she needs to bring water, lunch, and a snack for herself to eat during that workday, because most of the time people don't offer her the same food they eat so she can eat too. So she has to take this. That was something that always amazed me a lot. How can someone who comes to your house and works there for you for up to 8 hours, at least, in a service-providing job, and you can sit at the table and eat, and that person, if they don't bring food, if they don't bring sustenance, go without eating? I think about it a lot. And that leads me to reflect a lot on thought.

[00:24:56]That's a quote about the donkey's axe, right? That 's a very slave-owning way of thinking. We are still living under a slave-like model in labor relations. The other person has no rights whatsoever. The other person is there to fulfill my demands, but at no point do I come into contact with the demands of that worker, who is the service provider, the domestic worker. And so, for a certain period in my life as a social movement activist, I worked listening to domestic workers in discussions among women in social activism. And so, the statements made by women activists for domestic work are appalling.

[00:25:47]And even in the culture where I live today, some time ago I saw a video about a black woman, you know, a black woman from São Paulo. And that woman is in the recorded video; later we can even put a link so you can watch it. One person told her story, she was an orphan, right, and went to a religious orphanage. And then the nun would say to them, to the children, that they could crown Our Lady once they had completed certain tasks. Very good. And this girl, a black girl, she completed all the tasks. And on the day she was to present her tasks, the nun told her : "Where have you ever seen a black angel?

[00:26:40]No, this criterion, this order, doesn't apply to you because you are black. Angels are not black. So, even if you complete the tasks, you will not be an angel who will crown Our Lady." And then I start thinking, that's it, that's from the 20th century, the century we just finished.

[00:27:04]And then I think about it a lot, because when we talk about work, it's as if all work is the same job, as if the 6-on-1-off schedule affects all workers in the same way. So we also need to bring this discussion about work closer to home.

[00:27:22]Wow, what kind of job is that, huh? And so I see this discussion a lot, as I am a left-leaning woman, a woman who engages in progressive discussions, I think, you know, about work, I keep wondering, how do we manage in Brazil to create a distance between the rule that applies to me and the rule that applies to another person, you know?

[00:27:48]I often think about this in relation to Machado de Assis's work, you know? How do we write proposals and processes that are different, and how do we standardize them, as if one rule could apply to everyone? And then with this 6x1 shift thing, something I saw, for example, we're going to have the 6x1 shift, going back to the 40-hour work week.

[00:28:23]Our legislators proposed that we should have 10 years to reach this point of reducing the workday by 4 hours, right? What is utterly absurd, considering that if we understand parliament as a representation of us, we start to wonder how it can be a representation of us that doesn't consider us as a possibility, because our parliamentarians have two vacations, their health insurance is paid for, their school fees, their children's expenses, travel expenses, advisors' salaries.

[00:29:03]And for example, I am a woman from the Northeast who lives in the Southeast so I can study. I pay my rent, I pay for electricity, I pay for transportation, I pay all my obligations, they're on my bill, and I'm a poor person.

[00:29:18]And just as we provide for a certain representation, it's all the possibilities of a privileged life, and when that person votes in our favor, they say that we need to spend 10 years to reach a certain level of a right, which is a 4-hour reduction in an already impossible workday. So we need to think about this, we need to think about it, because, you see, we are at a crucial moment when we discuss working hours, shifts, reduced working hours, the 6-day-on, 1-day shift schedule, we are discussing what kind of representation we have in our parliament, in our city council, in our state Legislative Assembly. These representations require us to consider who represents our daily lives. We, people of civil society, we, the mothers, the workers, the women who suffer violence, the young worker who needs training to enter the job market, who needs a space to learn a profession, who needs to be in school. And that entangles us in a series of other issues. For example, the idea of ​​deciding which teenagers will go to prison, for me, touches on the issue of work.

[00:30:51]How can you [clearing throat] put teenagers in a situation of equality with the worst elements of crime? You're going to send teenagers out of school, out of learning spaces, out of social protection, because, well, there's a saying, since we're talking about this here, right, from Machado de Assis, there's a saying that goes, "Whatever the stick runs, the axe runs too," right? So, we need to think about whether this reduced work schedule, this reduction in working hours, and how young people who need to enter the job market will benefit from it, how they will be entitled to it, how we women will use this reduced schedule, how parents, how elderly people who are about to retire, how this will be implemented in our lives, as the question suggests, and whether it will be used to our advantage or to punish us, for example, by taking away our weekend work hours. This is an issue that has been on my mind a lot. For example, uh, uh, my son is now an adult man, but when my son was a child, I gave up one of my work shifts, which was very important to me, because I needed to be close to my son, I needed to educate my son, I needed to take my son to school. And this has been very much a journey for mothers.

[00:32:33]Parents rarely stop doing some specific activity to take care of their children. Normally, we are the ones who care for our children, our elderly relatives, and those who have some kind of care need, right?

[00:32:50]So, we need to think about how our way of intervening and choosing our representations should reflect these issues that Machado de Assis also brings up and that he speaks to us about daily, especially since Machado was a Black man, the son of a single mother, which we call "single" today because it refers to a single mother who raised her son alone, and he was a Black man. Right, from this city of Rio de Janeiro, and a man with an extremely keen eye for the everyday issues of our lives. Hey bro, is anyone talking to us?

[00:33:35]Yes, Gislana, we do have a message. And the video arrived too. I'll put the messages here first. Okay, folks, I agree here, Radas Réges perfectly captured the thinking of the time of slavery.

[00:33:51]Speaking here, Patricia is saying that's the perfect analogy.

[00:33:55]Patricia also sent a message saying: "When I hear this story by Machado de Assis about the donkeys, it reminds me of the expression 'burden donkey'."

[00:34:04]Who else is here? Andrea Santos de Carvalho said: "Good evening, happy about the return of Fala de Mulher with fundamental themes. Congratulations, Gislana and Teresa."

[00:34:18]That's great, folks, and it's wonderful to be among friends and people with whom we're somehow building this collective discussion, right? Because it can't be an individual discussion about one person, one city, one place. This is a discussion that permeates all of our territories. I've been traveling a lot around Brazil and I've seen a lot of this issue of public management itself, you know, the management of spaces. Because our cities lack leaders who are closer to the community, and because these public administrations have distanced themselves from us as people, as citizens, right? So, I think that, to some extent, these stories by Machado de Assis bring about this reflection for us, I believe. Let's put our little video up, bro, to give the speaker a break. It 's OK. Good afternoon.

[00:35:25]Six to one will break Brazil. [music] The theme may be new, but the message behind it is not. The end of the journey, 6 for one, became a national topic. Workers are demanding fewer hours, and the business and political elite are responding with a familiar warning that it will be costly, disrupt the economy, and bring chaos. In the 1880s, Brazil was debating the end of slavery, and proponents of forced labor were using the same playbook. When the Eusébio de Queiroz law prohibited human trafficking, farmers went to the empire to demand compensation. Listen to what Furquim de Almeida, a representative of the coffee sector, said in 1880.

[00:36:11]Farmers, merchants, landowners, everyone felt frightened. because they felt threatened in their rights, in their property, in everything they held most dear. We want them to respect our property and not put our safety, our lives, or the lives of our families at risk.

[00:36:32]The politician José de Alencar was more direct.

[00:36:35]The end of slavery, oxcart driving, economic bankruptcy, and political anarchy.

[00:36:41]Now we move forward 140 years. Or Governor Tarcísio de Freitas in 2026. It's no use thinking you'll take care of the worker without taking care of the employer. And what about Congressman Nicolas Ferreira and his boss's allowance? The left wants to sell the proposal as a defense of the worker, but they're doing charity with other people's money. We release the employee, the employer pays. Therefore, I am proposing an amendment that supports ending the 6x1 work schedule, but ensures that the increased cost is borne by the government. Alma Preta spoke with researchers who show how, back then, they didn't want to give up exploiting enslaved Black people. Today they refuse to stop exploiting the same population that still bears the burden of 400 years of slavery and crimes against humanity. In Alma Preta's full report, you can see how the debate in the Chamber of Deputies about scale 61 connects to a structure that comes from slavery. Read more at almaapreta.com.br. BR X Glen with you.

[00:37:51]Hey everyone, it's shocking, isn't it? No, these are some of ours, in quotation marks, right? I believe that we, the people here, did not elect these figures, but rather some of the politicians elected to represent Brazilian society.

[00:38:09]Who do they really represent, right?

[00:38:12]I think this is an issue for us to reflect on, to think about, and thus to change, because if we don't change in this electoral process that is presented to us, we will continue to be at the mercy of this discussion. For example, in that first speech I gave about the 10 years we needed to reduce the workday by 4 hours, there was even a proposal to increase the workday to 52 hours and then gradually decrease it to 40 over those 10 years. Imagine how completely absurd that would be. So, uh, these representations, and we've seen this growth of the far right, right, with these extremely anti-human, anti-citizenship speeches, right? In some countries like Argentina, the workday has been extended, the working hours of workers to support a business sector that doesn't [clear throat] care about the work itself and its workers, because those who care, right, that we'll also have decent people, it's not possible for us to say that everything only has one side, right? And we had testimonies during the discussion about the work schedule, about reducing our work hours, that raised the question of how it's possible to make this reduction, how it's possible to give quality of life to workers, how important it is that our lives have this care, uh, from those who use our labor, right?

[00:40:07]Our workforce, well, it needs to stop being thought of merely as extraction and exploitation, and it needs to move into a place of dignity. So, I think it's important for us to first consider what kind of work we 're talking about, what kind of work this represents for us. Not only, for example, each of us individually, but we, Brazilian society, who are we electing, what kind of representatives are we thinking about? I keep thinking a lot about some groups that I've seen, and you just have to open the news to find the ruralists. Who do the ruralists, as a group, represent?

[00:40:54]Who among us here is a rural landowner, who has an impossible plantation, who is planting soy in the Amazon, who is degrading the forest, who is destroying the environment to try to get rich at any cost, right? Those who are trying to encroach on indigenous lands are trying to reduce costs and earn more, because I often wonder, when we're thinking about this work, who benefits from this work?

[00:41:26]And when we reduce costs for the employer, where do those costs go – to benefit the workers?

[00:41:34]Is that what we have here?

[00:41:36]We have rural landowners, we have agribusiness, we have industry, and our legislative representation today is permeated by these types of groups. And for our big question, when they don't represent groups that exploit the workforce, they are people who are there striving, you know, learning the craft of following up, like Nicolas Ferreira, right, following up and making the voice that is already quite strong of the exploiter become even stronger with people. For example, when we think about it, or I saw a comment about the scholarship that the government is paying for students to stay in high school and take the ENEM exam. This is a progressive way for us to ensure that young people have the minimum conditions to enter the job market, which will require other skills besides mere physical strength, right? We're moving away from this extremely mechanical, physical strength-based work and we're entering other aspects of the job. And then I saw a report on the radio today, I think it was on Band, talking about the deficit between what the government projected and the students who remained, who are receiving [the benefits], and that there are some issues there. And I kept thinking about it, it was quite specific information. And then I start thinking, nobody bothered to find out where the 60 million dollars went for that person who made that movie, whose name I won't even mention because I don't intend to give them the algorithm. Where did that money go? It's about that bank whose owner is being sued and arrested for embezzling funds. Where did our public money from Rio de Janeiro go, the money from Rio de Janeiro's retirees that was sent to that bank, even though the bank already had a dispute with the Central Bank, saying that it was not fit to operate, that it was not able to afford what it was receiving? So why is n't this investigated with the same level of care? And when there is an advantage, a condition, an issue that is for people, for citizenship, uh, to pay uh the BPC, right, which is the continuous benefit payment for people with disabilities, for elderly people.

[00:44:36]Why is this so carefully considered? And at the same time that Congress says we can't afford this, it's saying that we can fund a subsidy for the boss who already profits, who is already making a profit on the labor force. I think a lot about this, and that's the reflection I wanted to propose to you today: that we think about who we are electing, what kind of representatives we have in our Congress, in the City Council, in the State Assembly, who are we sending to these places to speak on our behalf, which is what they say they do, right? So I ask, Maninho, do we have any feedback from our audience?

[00:45:17]Yes, we have comments here. Eh, Daça Régas asked: "And how does this way of thinking that devalues ​​domestic and care work also affect the right to care for people with disabilities?" Next up is Berenice Rodrigue, wishing everyone a good night. "Good evening, everyone," she says.

[00:45:41]Then Patricia Maneta comes along and says, "Here in Santa Catarina, the PL caucus is following the same line."

[00:45:51]Then Teresa Vilela, participating again, stated, "It's fundamental that we don't confuse farmers and small and medium-sized rural entrepreneurs with the ruralist." The few families who invest in the stock market and never even set foot on the large estates have no connection to the land.

[00:46:12]And she continues to respond to the apate.

[00:46:14]Pelé's supporters follow this line everywhere.

[00:46:18]Finally, in my last message here, Andreia Santos de Carvalho, I think it's important to add the terrible working conditions of most of the Brazilian population to this discussion about work schedules and hours.

[00:46:36]Giselando, your comments are very good, aren't they? We appreciate it, I think it's fundamental that we bring this up, that's why I spoke a little about the work also related to the work of people with disabilities, our job quotas, right, which have been very mistakenly threatened at some point by absurd legislative proposals, such as, our quotas that must be filled by workers with disabilities in companies that need to adjust their spaces to the necessary accessibility. Every now and then we have politicians threatening this place and saying that we need to propose that other people occupy the jobs of people with disabilities, that we don't need to, that it's impossible to occupy these positions, when we know that everything is a matter of accessibility and understanding that the workforce— our people, people with disabilities, women, young people, men, adults, elderly people, with disabilities—has a value as much as any other workforce, and we need these jobs to guarantee our survival, to guarantee our dignified life.

[00:48:08]Because, folks, it's important to remember that if things are passed down the way they should be, the children will remain after their parents.

[00:48:21]So, it's not fair that, for example, a family member occupies a position meant for a person with a disability, because then that person needs to support themselves, pay for their food, their medication, their personal life, their leisure time, their cultural activities. And without work, we are prevented from guaranteeing the basic rights of any citizen. So, I think it's extremely important for us to understand our role in defending these rights. Yes, this reduction in working hours also makes it easier for us to enter the job market. It is a just defense for all the working people of this country. So I ask, bro, what time is it? Just so I can get my bearings. We still have another 10 minutes, if you want.

[00:49:15]Beauty. Okay, folks, uh, wrapping up this discussion about the axe, right? Well, I'd really like to think about something else, which I even saw on Manil's show. Manil, our dear friend here, is with me today along with Teresa. The three of us are this trio here, but today we are a duo. [snoring] Uh, Manilho has a show and on Manilho's Saturday show, you know, I saw something that interested me a lot, which is a discussion about work, jobs, and issues related to artificial intelligence. I think I'll just say a little about this, but I think it's important for us to think about it. Generative artificial intelligence has been learning functions that are typical of jobs. She is capable of performing some functions.

[00:50:14]She is being trained to replace the human workforce. For example, I was in São Paulo in January and went to a sporting goods store where we practically don't have any workers anymore.

[00:50:26]We have a cash register that can be activated by the customer themselves, and only one person is managing an entire large store in a shopping mall in São Paulo, right? And I've seen a lot of that too, for example, in pharmacies lately. A small number of pharmacies have been joining product sales apps, right? And that's why I see this reduction so much.

[00:50:58]So, even those who are saying that we can't reduce working hours are replacing our workforce with artificial intelligence. And then I start thinking about how we humans, and I think that's a question that should be brought up in a future episode of one of our shows, right? How is artificial intelligence impacting our lives?

[00:51:21]How does it improve certain tasks? How can it become a workforce that will replace us, or, according to some experts, even surpass us in our daily lives? But it has been important for us to think about this, especially because even as a woman with a disability, I use artificial intelligence a lot for many things, and technology has been a great source of interdependence and support in our lives as people with disabilities. So, I think it's up to us, and all the workers in our country, to think about what kind of jobs these are, and if these jobs can be filled by a machine, what jobs do we need to advance to make that happen? I think I've been thinking about this a lot, because I work in accessibility consulting and I see a lot of descriptions made by artificial intelligence, and I have a lot of questions about this process. It's interesting, yes, I use it myself sometimes, but we need to think about criteria, about conditions of use. It was on Maninho's show that I saw this discussion, and I left there thinking a lot and reflecting on myself. So, to conclude our conversation today, I'd like to say that I really missed my colleague Teresa Vilela, who is the person who hosts this program. I'm here, as you know, doing this sometimes, because she couldn't come today as she was sick, but I am a poet woman.

[00:53:06]And so I brought a poem today so we can wrap up our conversation. I'm just looking for him here.

[00:53:27]So, Giselanda, let me just put on the screen here the last message from Celso Monz so far.

[00:53:33]Celso Monóz saying: "I use it every day for computer programming."

[00:53:40]Celso, our IT guy.

[00:53:45]Me too.

[00:53:46]I use it too much.

[00:53:48]I use it a lot because I do a lot of work and a lot of research; I'm a researcher, and so far artificial intelligence has been a great ally to me, just like it is to you. I'm just finding my text here.

[00:54:14]Okay, everyone. The text I'm going to read to conclude our conversation today is one I wrote in 2024, which I reviewed today, adjusted a few things, and updated for today's date. It 's a text I really like, and it's about reconciliation.

[00:54:38]I live the struggle every day. The marks, visible or not, are here, stuck to my skin, stitched into my soul, sketched in my thoughts, scribbled on my chest, written in my actions. I never shied away from her. I've always given myself completely. I never refused his call. Like a lover, thirsty and attentive, I have been waiting for you.

[00:55:10]The sensitive body, required, naked or clothed in belief, with a sweet mouth, adorned and pressed by strong and poignant speeches. I have never been ashamed of the words I have spoken, I have never refused tasks requested of me, I have never hidden from beatings, and I have never capitulated to be spared. But now, in this ambiguous time, where truths proliferate and spring from mouths as antagonistic as if they were just and right, impossible to reconcile and heed, I question which causes to defend? To whom should we lend our complaining voice? Who are mine? Who are the others? Who are we talking against? Against what? We rebelled. What loyalty is due? Who are the comrades in the struggle? Whose hands to hold and embrace? What hugs to share and receive? So, after each journey, on whose chest should one rest their head? Exposed and tired, in arms that are both right and available?

[00:56:32]Perhaps innocent, caught in the clutches of enemies eager to lose her forever, or perhaps in their eagerness to reconcile everything.

[00:56:44]So, I wanted to end our conversation today by saying that this is not a time for us to reconcile the impossible, it's a time for us to question, to rethink, to resume, and to move towards the future, seeking new possibilities, a more viable world, a more possible world, a world that offers itself to us and to those who will come after us, because we are the people of the present, but we also hold the future and the past within us, right? So let's think about what kind of Brazil we are building, what kind of Brazil we are envisioning for those who will come after us and for ourselves who are here, and let's respect the struggle and legacy of those who came before. The workers, the enslaved people, the indigenous people, the women, all the people that we are in our present citizenship. And that. And good night to you all. Thanking Maninho, this wonderful person who makes things happen here, and Portinho, who gives us this space to voice our workers. And so we conclude our "Women's Talk" program today. We will return, I believe, on Tuesday, hosted by Teresa Vilela. That's it, folks.

[00:58:20]Giselana, only then to finalize Teresa's last message.

[00:58:25]Yes. It was wonderful to be a spectator of my dear life partner and comrade in struggles, Gislana Vale, what a fantastic program, my friend.

[00:58:33]And I also wanted to thank you, Giselana, just knowing today that you said that's what the material I presented on my program made you think about, well, it made my day, my week, my year. Thank you so much, Gislena, truly. Thank you, you're a wonderful partner. Good evening, everyone.

[00:58:55]We're in this together. Good evening, everyone.

[00:58:59]Against a pink background, the text reads " Women Speak," a program for working-class voices.

[00:59:06]Inside the word "woman," highlighted in the center, are black and white photos [of music] of white, black, and diverse women.