Why He Was Put On Child Support At 12 (For A Kid That Wasn't His)

Added: 2026-05-27

[00:00:00]90% of your happiness or misery will be based on who you get married to or who you have a child with. If someone files a claim against you and you don't respond within 6 months, now you got a default judgment. So now you're the legal father even though you may not be the biological father. I absolutely 100% believe if a person does not take care of their children, they need to be on child support. That is the repercussion for you if you not taking care of your children.

[00:00:29]>> Child support is fraud. This guy's getting all of these people all around the world off of unlawful child support.

[00:00:38]>> It has to work or it has to work.

[00:00:40]>> I'm so excited about this episode. If you guys been watching me, man, I'm just bringing on interesting people where I'm just curious. Like I'm curious. Like I'm I'm grateful to God. I I got six children, no child support. But I wanted to always know about how child support work. So everybody on the internet, they talking about this one guy, Lionel TJ Tilman, owner of Child Support Fraud.

[00:01:06]This guy's getting all of these people all around the world off of unlawful child support. So I really need to ask him. I need to know, is this legit? Is it not legit? What's going on with it?

[00:01:15]So, without further ado, I want to bring to you the leading authority when it comes to talking about child support and and getting custody. TJ, my brother, what's good, man? Welcome to the show, man.

[00:01:28]>> How you feeling, man? I'm I'm interested in this, man.

[00:01:31]>> I'm blessed, man. I'm I'm great. I'm happy to be here. And >> thank you for getting on, bro. I want to know, bro, what made you say, bro, I want to be the champion of child support? Like, I like I I never really >> Nobody says that. Who who says that?

[00:01:46]>> That's why I wonder. I'm like, who?

[00:01:47]That's like who what made you say? Cuz when I think of Sonia, the student loan doctor, she's the champion. When I think of TJ and everybody talk about there's no one else on the world in the world online talking about child support that is being done unlawful and and how to whether get your kids back or get you off of child support cuz sometimes you might have put me on there. I didn't belong. Like so I I really want to understand this game and but how did you get in this bro? I mean my life like unfortunately >> I was put on child support essentially at the age of 12 years old.

[00:02:20]>> Wait, you were put on child support at 12?

[00:02:22]>> Yes.

[00:02:23]>> You had a kid at 12?

[00:02:24]>> A a child was conceived when I was 12.

[00:02:27]>> Okay.

[00:02:28]>> So total child was conceived when I was 12. When I turned 18, >> when I before I even turned 18, she was a child as well. So she received government assistance. And when you receive government assistance, they go after the non-custodial parents. So therefore, when I turned 18, they retroactively went back and added on a rears for all of the money that she received, the cash aid, the Medicaid, the food stamps. They added on these arars and then they added on a 10% compounded interest. So when my case started, actually when I found out about it 7 years later, I was 20ome thousand in the rears. Oh, so I I gotta go back for a second just so when you say conceive mean you had a kid. The kid wasn't mine. The courts ruled that I hadn't I was 12 years old.

[00:03:16]>> The courts ruled that I hadn't even re reached puberty yet to even produce semen. But there's something called the legal father. If say for instance if you if someone files a claim against you and you don't respond within 6 months, now you got a default judgment. So now you're the legal father even though you may not be the biological father.

[00:03:37]>> Whoa.

[00:03:38]>> That's is no different from say for instance a person we're both married.

[00:03:43]I'm not even going to use either one of our wives. We not going to put that energy into the world.

[00:03:48]>> Just say for instance a wife goes and steps out on her marriage and she gets pregnant by another man. They take DNA and the man is the other man is you know proved to be the biological father. the husband is the legal father because the child was conceived during the marriage.

[00:04:07]Therefore, the husband is the legal father. Like, I don't like getting into the messy stuff, but just to kind of give you and the audience a a example of what I'm talking about.

[00:04:19]>> Cardi B, uh, Offset and the the NFL guy.

[00:04:23]Yeah.

[00:04:23]>> They're still legally married, yet separated, but still legally married. So technically he is the bi I mean he's the legal father of that child.

[00:04:34]>> Whoa. It it it gets deep and ain't even his kid. It don't have to be. You can be the legal father by default judgment.

[00:04:43]>> Okay.

[00:04:43]>> So that's it's no different from you getting a traffic ticket. Say you you you get pulled over, you sign a ticket and say you going to promise to appear at a certain date, certain time. You don't show up for that hearing. Now you got a default judgment. It ain't even about the ticket no more. Now they adding on all these fines and fees based on you not appearance. So it's that's what a default judgment is.

[00:05:04]>> Wow. So bro, you you you came up with a book How I Stop Child Support and it's on your website? Yes. Childishfraud.com.

[00:05:14]>> Yes, it is.

[00:05:14]>> And what you're doing is you're showing people one how to get out of child support >> if if they don't belong there.

[00:05:23]>> Yeah. I mean, because when you say get out of it, it kind of now it just kind of sounds like >> And I wanted to sound right because I asked you the other day. I'm like, "Bro, is this legit?" So So before we go there, cuz I want to go back there cuz I want it to be right. Like we want to The whole thing is you're you're trying to make me understand something that I just really don't understand. Right.

[00:05:42]>> Right. Um but I'm curious because >> the amount of lives that I've seen been ru I'll give you a prime example, bro.

[00:05:48]>> Okay.

[00:05:49]>> This is crazy to me. My mother got married, right?

[00:05:55]>> Had my twin sisters, >> okay?

[00:05:59]>> And my mother got married, had my twin sisters, and she ended up we were going through a divorce, right? This is and you know, prior my mom my mom's not a spiteful person. You know, she's >> my stepfather wasn't helping my mom pay for their kids to go to school. Like it was just so many things that wasn't being done. Hey, we're getting divorced.

[00:06:23]Just give me give me a couple hundred a month to help towards their school.

[00:06:27]>> Mhm.

[00:06:28]>> Nah, I can't do that. Well, I is no way I can afford to pay for my son to go to school and both of my kids. We all went to private school off of one income that I really can't even afford to do it. All I'm asking you for is $500 a month, >> which should be no problem. should be and it may have been less but it was it was negligence the amount and >> my mom then said let me go through the child support way and then he had to go on child support bro do you know he stopped talking to my sisters bro they didn't talk from that age 12 to probably 18 19 bro >> wow >> you but it it bo it it it is mindboggling because the kids had nothing to do with it like all you had to do was pay a couple so that is one that I don't think he should have got out of because one, you wouldn't even have been on it if all you had. So now, because you didn't give the little bit I was asking for, now the court system is saying you owe much more cuz you weren't trying to. These were your kids. He was a good father to them up until that point outside of helping my mom. That's crazy to me, bro. Is well documented. Me saying I absolutely 100% believe if a person does not take care of their children, they need to be on child support. That is the repercussion for you if you not taking care of your children.

[00:07:49]>> I agree.

[00:07:49]>> So in in in that situation, I I speak to women all the time and they be like, "Well, I tried I didn't want to go the child support route. They sending me text messages, sending me emails that they sent, look, I tried to reach out and say, hey, just give like you like your mom's give me certain a certain amount of money and we can not deal with the court." And then they just cut it off. It's like what do I do? Go put his ass on child support. Excuse my French.

[00:08:13]Go put him on child support. That is the repercussion for you not taking care of your children. And that's why I created the tagline because when you hear child support is fraud, automatically it's like it's triggering and it's confusing.

[00:08:26]It's like wait, are you saying taking care of your children is fraud?

[00:08:31]Absolutely not. I'm a father of I mean I'm a husband. I'm a father of three children. Absolutely not. My children been in my home since they've been alive. So absolutely not. But >> that's why I created the tagline. But we still taking care of them kids though because this ain't no get out of jail free card. I'm advocating for the fathers and mothers who were unlawfully put on child support. And when I say child support is fraud, I'm talking about the system because they don't follow their own procedures when opening these cases. That's what I'm talking about.

[00:09:04]>> So So let me ask you because I want to go back and then I want to know what is the formula to get off of this if I was placed on here unlawful. um uh at 20. Tell I mean you told me you rares at 20,000. Continue that story.

[00:09:19]That was getting interesting.

[00:09:20]>> So when I turned 18, they started the case at the time. I was still hustling in the streets. I didn't have a job. So there was no way to track me down. When I finally, you know, start leaving the street life alone. I got a job. 6 months in, I'm HR on payday. They say, "Hey, uh Mr. tell me, you know, you wanted an HR, I go to HR. HR says, "We got a income withholding order." I'm like, "Income withholding order? What is that?" They said, "Well, from child support, they're going to start garnishing your check effective immediately." I'm like, "What?

[00:09:52]What do you mean?" And they said, "Well, I don't know, but here's the document.

[00:09:55]You need to contact them." I call I call them and I'm like, "Hey, what's what's going on? What is this child support?"

[00:10:00]And they was like, "Well, um, unfortunately, Mr. Tilman, there's nothing that can be done because you've been on child support for the last seven years." I'm like, "Seven years? What do you mean seven years?" and they say, "Well, yeah, you had six months to respond. You didn't respond." So, therefore, it's nothing that can be done.

[00:10:14]>> The default judgment, >> the default judgment. Um because the state, they wrote this tricky rule for themselves. Meaning, if you don't come in within those 6 months, now you got the default judgment, and they'll typically tell you there's nothing that can be done. But what I discovered was void judgments or any judgment entered under fraud, it could be challenged at any time.

[00:10:38]>> You're a businessman. We we entrepreneurs.

[00:10:41]What is the uh now we talking about contracts? What are the fundamentals of a contract? Offer and acceptance.

[00:10:49]>> Yeah.

[00:10:49]>> So therefore, when you going in in and you saying like any contract can be undone, whether child support, business, it don't matter. It's just a framework.

[00:10:59]Any contract that's entered into under coercion, under duress, under fraud, or misrepresentation. Is that called the pushisty?

[00:11:08]>> That That's the push.

[00:11:11]Hey, that this is what I'm saying that you see what Gucci said. I signed it under the rest. That makes that contract null and void.

[00:11:18]>> Is he a snitch?

[00:11:19]>> Is Gucci Man a snitch?

[00:11:22]>> Based on the street terms? Yes.

[00:11:25]>> I mean, that song I mean you that's that's that's what we call dry snitching. Yeah.

[00:11:31]>> Because he didn't specifically say, "Yeah, he put a gun in my face." But you said you sense I signed a contract under duress that implicates what surrounding the actual story. So yeah, that's considered dry snitching. Before we go deep off on that and let's continue on because we were talking about, you know, I start going to the uh a whole another conversation. Um so you were talking about the idea of you can challenge your agreement if it's fraudulent under distress if you can continue with that.

[00:12:04]>> Yes. So any contract can be undone if it was entered into under coercion, under duress, under fraud or misrepresentation is it's fruits of a poisonous tree. If it was void then is void now is void in the future. And this is not my um opinion. This is the appeals court in county of San Diego versus Goreham which they talk about in extrinsic fraud.

[00:12:28]meaning if you force the signature or if you force someone. So they sent out these summit. So there's there's a summon that's sent out that says, "Hey, someone is opening a child support case against you. You got a certain amount of time to respond. If you don't, we're going to suspend your license, your passport, put it on your credit report, things of that nature."

[00:12:50]>> So So they'll suspend your license?

[00:12:53]>> Yes.

[00:12:54]>> Take your passport?

[00:12:55]>> Yes.

[00:12:55]>> Like me, I can't travel. You can't travel. These are >> like how much is it? A certain amount?

[00:13:00]>> $2,500.

[00:13:01]>> So if if I just owe 500 a month, five months, they're they're they're snatching my passport.

[00:13:07]>> They're they're taking your passport.

[00:13:09]>> Your driver's license. So I can't get back and forth to work. This is >> seem like they put me deeper in the the darn hole.

[00:13:16]>> So and you're absolutely right. The Department of Justice sent child support in the courts a notice. It's called the dear colleague letter. They sent them a notice and saying like what you're doing is counterproductive. How do you want people to get their children to school?

[00:13:29]How they're supposed to get them to doctor's appointments? How are they even supposed to do parent exchanges if you're suspending their license? It's counterproductive.

[00:13:36]>> Yeah.

[00:13:36]>> And you putting them in debt and then you're forcing. Just say for instance, if you don't even have a job. Now they're forcing you to do a work search program to actually go pay a debt, which is involuntary servitude. You can't force someone to do a job in order to repay a debt. And this is not my opinion. That's a United State code 28USC 2007.

[00:14:00]>> Let me ask you this. On child supportfraud.com, you have you host free classes that teach all of this, have consultations, all of those things.

[00:14:07]>> Yes. So I I have free classes and then we have the the tier classes where will we get a little bit more in depth? Um because like I said, I'm a father.

[00:14:17]>> Yeah.

[00:14:18]>> So I had a I'm going just go off a little bit. The other day, my son's birthday was uh August I mean April 5th.

[00:14:26]So to secure the spot we want it his birthday fell on Easter.

[00:14:31]>> Yeah.

[00:14:31]>> So the city said you can't come in and uh reserve this spot because it's a holiday. It's first come first serve.

[00:14:38]Bro, I'm at the park at 5 in the morning sitting there waiting in the dark just to hold the spot.

[00:14:46]>> Yeah.

[00:14:47]>> And as I'm sitting there, I'm going through my comments. A guy says, "You charging people to educate them. You've been through the struggle. Why you ain't doing this?" I said, "Bro, I took a picture of my I'm I'm at the park right now, 5 in the morning. I got kids myself. You want me to stop to do what I'm doing >> to come do what you need me to do to help you with your financial s?" Make that make sense.

[00:15:11]>> I agree.

[00:15:12]>> Sometimes, yes, I do, bro. It's over 3,000 videos on that Instagram page since 2018. full of the same information.

[00:15:21]>> You on YouTube with it, too?

[00:15:22]>> Yes.

[00:15:22]>> All right, good. I was say you need to be on YouTube.

[00:15:24]>> Yeah. So, it's like, how much did you pay for the free information that's on Instagram?

[00:15:28]>> You know what they say when you don't pay, you don't pay attention. No transactions, no transformation, >> bro. Me and me and Runway, your young boy, me and Runway, we ran a challenge >> two months ago.

[00:15:40]>> The first one we did it free.

[00:15:41]>> Yeah.

[00:15:42]>> It was it was cool.

[00:15:44]>> I said, man, let's switch it up a little bit. Let's add a little fee on it. We had more people in the paid challenge than a free one.

[00:15:51]>> That's crazy.

[00:15:52]>> That's crazy.

[00:15:53]>> You know why? Because when you pay, you pay attention, bro.

[00:15:56]>> Bruh.

[00:15:56]>> Yeah.

[00:15:56]>> I heard you say that many times.

[00:15:58]>> It's real.

[00:15:59]>> That was that was proof to me. From that point, I started to look at Yes. If you want something for free, it's on Instagram, bro. And listen, if you're looking at this, and not only that, but if you're looking at this and you're curious like me and want to learn more, and I I'm gonna be honest, >> if I'm on child support unlawfully, if if now again, if you're not taking care of your kids, I can't do nothing.

[00:16:23]>> I can't do nothing for you.

[00:16:24]>> He can't do But go click the link in his bio, the link in the description. Make sure you go take the free stuff, take the paid stuff. But if I know if I'm in child support unlawfully, I'm doing everything I can learn to get out. I need to know though, bro, you're not a lawyer, right?

[00:16:41]>> No.

[00:16:42]>> And you could teach this without being a lawyer.

[00:16:44]>> Yes. So I can educate people cuz I'm educating them on my experiences. All I'm doing in these consultations is telling you what I did and what I would do in a situation >> like that. I cuz I'm not an attorney, so I can't represent you. And I let everyone know >> represent themselves. That's basically what you did. How did you get out of this thing? like how did you get tell me because your your situation seems >> a bit complex.

[00:17:07]>> It it was very complex in addition to the child being conceived at 12 and not puberty and all of that. What I found was >> that's not one of your three children now, right?

[00:17:19]>> No.

[00:17:19]>> Okay.

[00:17:20]>> No. So, I found out about this because when I 13 years have passed. Now, mind you, I'm on child support for 13 years that I know of.

[00:17:30]>> Wow. They're suspending my license.

[00:17:32]>> How much was you having to pay?

[00:17:34]>> Uh, it it it ranged. It was like $250 a month or something like that. But then I was paying them an additional $50 a month.

[00:17:41]>> But you're paying $300 for a child that was not yours.

[00:17:46]>> Uh, >> because I'm deemed a legal father. So, I'm paying them another $50 so I can keep my license.

[00:17:51]>> To keep my license, but every year my license gets suspended. Now, one day I'm on the phone with this lady and I'm like, "Man, I don't even know why I'm going through this because like, man, this stuff is fraud." Like, because I'm like, "Man, you I'm paying y'all, but y'all still suspending my license. Why we doing this? Why we got to do this every year?" And the lady said, "Fraud?"

[00:18:10]What do you mean fraud? You got served.

[00:18:12]That woke me up.

[00:18:14]>> I said, "What do you mean I got served?"

[00:18:15]She said, "Yeah, you got served." I said, "Well, tell me what day I got served." Bro, Neo, this lady placed me on hold. She said, "I'll be right back."

[00:18:24]I come back. I'm sorry, Mr. Tilman. We do not have your signature. I'm like, "I know I didn't get served. I've been with me every day of my life. I know we didn't get served."

[00:18:33]>> Yeah.

[00:18:34]>> She said, "Well, that don't matter anyway. You volunteered into the program."

[00:18:38]>> I said, "I did what?" Yeah.

[00:18:39]>> She said, "Yeah, you volunteered." So, at that point, I said, "Okay, well, tell me what day I signed." She come back.

[00:18:44]I'm sorry, Mrs. Tilman. We don't have your signature. Long story short, at that point I knew that I was supposed to get served and I knew that child support was voluntary. So then I just started doing what else are they supposed to do?

[00:18:56]And what I found out is when they open these cases, it has to be under the seal of the court, meaning I'm in California, so it has to say California, Superior Court of California, blah blah blah. Um, it has to be uh it has to have the signature of the county clerk, not the clerk inside of the courtroom, the clerk over the entire county. The proof of service has to be filed and it has to be done correctly within a certain amount of time.

[00:19:22]These people said that they served me, which I later prove was a vacant house.

[00:19:29]>> There was a Ford signature. It said Michael Tilman. As common as the name Michael is, there's not a Michael in my entire family.

[00:19:36]>> Yeah. So when I see that, I'm like, "Oh, this is this cap. Ain't nobody named Michael."

[00:19:41]>> Right.

[00:19:42]>> I'm looking at the signature. The person who signed my order, it wasn't a judge.

[00:19:47]It was an attorney.

[00:19:49]>> I watch a lot of Law and Order. Have you you watch Law and Order?

[00:19:52]>> My daughter, I haven't had a chance, but she watch it every day.

[00:19:55]>> So they a jud the the the police will come knocking on a judge door at 3:00 in the morning. Your honor, we need you to sign this warrant. The people they're they're right outside the door. we need you to go in and they got to sign a warrant before they enter the home. Only a judge can issue a warrant to deprive you of your private property. Can't nobody if somebody came knock the police came knocking on the door right now and they said, "Well, you know, uh, can we come in?" He's like, "Well, you can let them involuntarily." But it's like, "No, if you ain't got no warrant, you got to go. You can't come." It's the same process. This ain't just about child support. This is the framework of the United States Constitution. So therefore, if you my order wasn't signed by a judge, you never even had lawful authority to even deprive me of my private property. And that's my children and my money. And again, this ain't just for child support. This is in in business. So just just think about it like this.

[00:20:55]In in in business, the uh the the the cornerstone in business is is equity. So when you think about equity to me, I think about my children. So if if I if I'm dealing in family court and I come in and I'm trying to get custody because the other parent is keeping the children away from me and I'm saying I want equal custody rights and I come in to file for custody, but then somehow you tricked me and didn't tell me that I needed to demand physical custody when I said I wanted legal custody. And now you done took equity because now I don't even have my children. So now you made me this non-custodial parent and now I got this obligation >> mean what? Don't take care.

[00:21:32]>> Non-custodial parent means that the you don't have you have less rights than any other parent. Meaning you don't live the children don't reside in your home. Even if they do reside in your home, you can be labeled a non-custodial parent and still have to pay child support. M.

[00:21:46]>> So that's something that I didn't allow them to call me a non-custodial parent because that means you've been found guilty of abandoning your children in family court. So therefore, it's like we have to go in a and and make sure that these contracts that they're entering us into are lawful. It's the same in business. If you signing a lease agreement and the lease says, well, in order for you to get out of this lease, what these are the terms and or even just say let's just use music artist cuz they always coming back saying I signed a bogus contract and I want to get out.

[00:22:25]>> I didn't read it.

[00:22:26]>> Y >> it's the same process. So, you know, the strategy now with contracts, just send them through chat GPT and and um and say I I mean this is what I'm doing. You you might but send them through chat GPT and just break this down so I can understand it and let me know what threats that could, you know, could harm me essentially.

[00:22:50]>> True. And and what's crazy is that you brought that up. I just had a consultation with a guy two days ago um in the state of Florida. Florida came a a circuit judge came up with this rule just for this specific area. I believe it was in Broward County, I believe. Uh but somebody can fact check that but I believe it was to where if someone uses chat GPT to file their documents they have to put on the document that it was created with AI and they have to write a whole uh a whole uh certification that yes it was done with AI but I also checked it and did the reference myself because if they don't even though everything on that document can be absolutely 100% % correct. They can still strike it and now it's thrown out.

[00:23:41]>> Wow. Is that only that one county?

[00:23:43]>> That that's local. And they just did this. This was as of January 2026.

[00:23:48]>> So what you teach, are you encouraging using AI or >> Yes. 1,000%.

[00:23:54]>> Because when I was going through my case, there was no chap GPT.

[00:23:58]>> Yeah.

[00:23:59]>> I represented myself in a two-year hearing from 2016 to 2018.

[00:24:03]>> Two-year hearing. How often you had to go? I went like every two months, sometimes three, depending on what they put on calendar and and no legal background. I I'm I'm a I'm a Google scholar. You know what I'm saying? I went to YouTube University. That's how I learned. So I if if now you have this resource, you got you got AI. Yeah. You need to go in and say I just talk to it. I'm in this situation. I'm in this state. What are the legal ramifications that I can use to create a competent defense for myself?

[00:24:36]>> Now, I'm going to go fact check that cuz sometime chat be on something.

[00:24:40]>> Yeah.

[00:24:40]>> But but yeah, no, I definitely encourage using AI. Got it. Let me ask you this.

[00:24:45]Um, you talked about custody, right? It's just, you know, it's it's tough because I'm just grateful to have a great wife where I don't think I ever had to go through any of this stuff ever. Um, but talk about custody. Like how how is that being chosen? You know, c some parents wanted like you had people going from being put on bad child support to end up getting custody. How how is this how are they doing doing this? How is this being >> reversed? Because what I discovered is there's there >> you got to go to court for this.

[00:25:19]>> Yes, 1000%. So there's a Supreme Court case law which is the highest court in the land. It's called Santowski versus Kramer. You can look it up. Um, in Santki versus Kramer, the Supreme Court ruled that natural parents, meaning these children have my blood flowing through their body. As a natural parent, I have the right to the care, custody, and management over the >> to care or the >> to care for custody of them and management over my children. And then there's another case laws called Stanley versus Illinois which says before the state can inject themselves into the private family realm, you have to give me the opportunity to demonstrate my fitness as a parent. Meaning you got to allow me to f up first before you come and take custody away from my children.

[00:26:07]So what happens is when say let's just use a divorce when people going through a divorce and then the father does not claim joint physical custody. Literally, they're presuming that you're waving your rights and now you have legal custody, but you don't have physical custody and now you're this non-custodial parent and now you got this obligation to pay child support.

[00:26:30]So, I educate people on how to go back in and say, "Hey, if I'm a fit and present parent, there's no history of drugs, neglect, or abuse pursuant to these case laws. Give me the legal basis that you're using to create an unequal parenting relationship between me and my children." and you're now labeling me this non-custodial parent.

[00:26:51]>> Absent of that, you have to give me my custodial rights as a natural parent.

[00:26:55]But that process has to go through court and then the other parent, they can agree to it or not. But if there's no evidence of drugs, neglect, or abuse, then I'm entitled to it because this is our God-given right and it's constitutionally protected by the United States Constitution. I had somebody close to me uh they were like accused of um touching their child.

[00:27:22]>> That's touch that's a touchy I mean >> and the parent the >> I know he I know he didn't do it. That's not in his character. But >> he had to go through court. They took his kids from him. Did all this stuff like >> like what I don't get, bro, is that you can say something that can be false and could mess my whole life and situation up. Bro, it this is not just in family court. This is in business, right?

[00:27:44]Somebody can come and file a lawsuit against the greatness. Yeah.

[00:27:49]>> Tomorrow.

[00:27:50]>> Well, not tomorrow cuz it's Saturday, but but but yeah, let's not but I'm saying anybody can make a claim.

[00:27:56]>> If the claim is not challenged, now you got a default judgment.

[00:27:59]>> Yeah, I don't like that default judgment.

[00:28:01]>> It's the same process. So in that situation me if I would object to it and demand that it's and under the grounds of hearsay or hearsay would be it because at that point when I say it's hearsay you got to prove it right here right now there has to be tangible proof but when when when a person goes in and make these claims especially when it's you know dealing with the children or there may be abuse on a man to to the woman the courts they issue these temporary orders and say we just going based on this, there's circumstantial evidence to where we or just based on the statement, we're going to issue this temporary order, then y'all can figure it out later in court. Now, whether it happens 3 months down the line, 6 months down the line, now they got a temporary order, you got this restraining order, you can't see your kids, but then it goes to the court and now you come in like there's no police report, there's no uh hospital records, there's nothing.

[00:28:58]everything, sis exonerates me, but I done went through this whole time to where you you you you kept me away from my kids. My name is now messed up cuz now you done put this this this this stain on my name. So for me, if anyone that's going through that situation, it has to be challenged and it has to be challenged effective immediately because the longer you wait, the longer and the the worse that it it getting a lawyer.

[00:29:22]If you got the bread, should you just go to lawyer from the rip or should you would would you recommend like me, I would lawyer or do you recommend someone to try to do the do your formula and get out on their own?

[00:29:35]>> If they're going through divorce or family court, especially if you're going through a divorce, an attorney is needed because that's a judicial process. If you're going through custody, you could use an attorney. If you're going through child support, I would absolutely not use an attorney. Why?

[00:29:54]Because child support is not a judicial process. They taught us this in school.

[00:29:58]There's three branches of government.

[00:30:00]There's legislative, judicial, and the executive branch. Executive enforces the law. That's the president and the military. The legislative, they create the laws. That's Congress. And the judicial branch is the Supreme Court.

[00:30:12]They interpret the law. Child support falls up under the executive branch because it is because it's an administrative process. Now we're talking about the separation of powers which is they put this there's a doctrine in the constitution that says if you're in one branch branch of government you can't operate inside of the other branch of government. That's why when you know our current president is sitting and he's making a lot of executive orders you see the judicial branch step in and say hey hold up what you're trying to do that's reserved for Congress. You can't do that by yourself. It's the same process. So, if I'm going through child support, I would absolutely not use an attorney because they have something called um a general appearance. And this is this is very tricky. A general appearance says when a person first comes into a court for any reason that recognizes the authority of the court, meaning you hired an attorney, you showed up and said you wasn't making a special appearance, you are recognizing the authority of the court. Now, you're waving your rights to challenge them on the jurisdiction on the actual evidence.

[00:31:20]>> Even though even if you don't know that this option is available to you. So, long story short, if I was in child support, when you hire an attorney, you you're actually making a general appearance and you're waving your rights because it's not a judicial process.

[00:31:34]>> Wow.

[00:31:35]>> It it it it gets it gets deep, dog, like like really deep to where people don't understand. I'll give you a prime example.

[00:31:46]I when I took child support back to court in 2016, I said, "I'm here under special appearance." A special appearance says, "I'm not waving any of my rights. I'm not making any arguments.

[00:31:56]I'm just here to look at the evidence and see what y'all got against me. I I have that right."

[00:32:01]>> But they said, "But Mr. Tilman, you can't make a special appearance because in 2008, remember we suspended your license and you filed that license release. At that point, you recognize our authority because you didn't challenge us at that point. You just said, "Oh, here, just release my license." You made a general appearance at that point. I said, 'Well, objection.

[00:32:23]Before the license, the documents that you filed in the very beginning, those were not done correctly. Therefore, everything else after that, it never happened. Remember in the beginning when I told you void judgments are void past, present, and future. So, if it was void then is void now, it's void in the future. But the average everyday person don't know that. But that's why I I've been put here to, you know, educate our people.

[00:32:48]>> That's good, bro. Tell me a little about some people you've helped unlawfully get out of child support. Like break it down and and they could book consultations.

[00:32:56]They could join your class. They could join your challenge and they could get all of this. Y'all childishfraud.com, right?

[00:33:01]>> Yes, sir.

[00:33:02]>> Y'all need to tap in. I've learned so many new things. Is there other thing?

[00:33:06]What I know you got dozens of other things. That's why they could check out your site and everything, but >> what else? What are some other things that I should know about whether I'm from Philly, but now I live in Georgia and a lot of my listeners, they all over the world, but like what's up with Georgia? Like anything I need else to know?

[00:33:22]>> Yeah. So, like specifically in Georgia, there's a few other states. There's something called legitimation um which happens here in the state of Georgia. Legitimation is a in the state of Georgia. If your children were born in a state of Georgia and you were not ma if they were not conceived during the marriage, you a father does not have any rights to their children.

[00:33:46]None until you get your children legitimized through the state of Georgia. meaning you have to even you can take a DNA test, you do paternity test, you says you're the father, but until you go through the state of Georgia and now you got to pay them fees to process this legitimation, you don't have no rights to your children. I don't have a problem with legitimation on the on the grounds of we want to make sure you are the absolute father of this child.

[00:34:15]>> For sure. The problem I have with legitimation is you saying I don't have any rights to my children until I pay you first >> because now we're talking about a constitutional violation. Remember I talked about uh Stanley versus Illinois, Santki versus Kramer, which this the higher courts already ruled that as a natural parent I have a free interest to the care custody management over my children. So for the state of Georgia saying that be until you get your children legitimized and you pay us first, you don't have no rights to your children. That's where the constitutional violation for me. I would definitely raise that point under um Santowski versus Kramer and Stanley versus Illinois and even the supremacy clause inside of the Constitution which says um no state can come up with their own state law that conflicts with the United States Constitution or Supreme Court case law. If it does, then that state statute is void.

[00:35:13]>> You do a lot of studying, brother Santki. You know, listen, this remind me of, bro, I feel like, you know, I personally feel like kind of when I hear what you're talking about, and I know you're well verssed in other areas as well, but what I think about is there's almost like people are suing the credit bureau for certain things. It seemed like it could be some illegitimacy or however you say that word in a lot of these different sectors that >> cops are doing things that they shouldn't be doing. Uh there's things that are happening with your credit.

[00:35:49]It's almost in every area if you study the law. It's kind of like there's people in prison who's getting out because they go study the law and realize that wasn't actually right.

[00:35:58]>> Of course. So it's just what what I've taken from this conversation is even deeper is that in every almost category there is some wrong about it almost.

[00:36:12]>> Well yeah I mean cuz when you're dealing cuz and most of the time you're dealing with contracts. So when you're dealing with contract law they have guidelines and rules that they got to follow. So again like I said if any contract was entered under coercion, duress, fraud or misrepresentation then that contract can be undone. So if if I'm dealing with just say for instance like child support is on someone's credit report.

[00:36:33]>> Which camera is mine? This one right here.

[00:36:35]>> Yeah.

[00:36:38]>> Again, this is not legal advice. I'm just providing you my information that I dealt with dealing with child support services. Do your own research.

[00:36:48]The in thou it's it's been unlawful for child support to be on someone's credit report since 2003.

[00:36:56]And they still put it on people's credit report.

[00:36:59]>> It's on people's credit report to this day >> in 2026.

[00:37:02]>> In 2026, if you are watching >> So I owe child. Is it only on my credit report if I default or owe or even >> if you if you owe a rears meaning you owe back pay?

[00:37:13]>> Okay. But if I'm on here and I'm paying is not on there.

[00:37:16]>> Some people if cuz if they catch up they still were reported like uh uh my guy Dion. Deion said at one point he was on child support and he but he used it to his advantage because he said he was paying it with his credit card. So he he made it work for him.

[00:37:32]>> Okay, >> but it should not be there. That's what I'm talking about. When I say child support is fraud. This is what I'm talking about. There's a case law called Kevin D versus TransU Kevin D. Miller versus TransUnion. This happened in 2007. So in 2003 the they redefined the word credit. And when they looked at that, they said that child support and not only child support, uh, parking tickets, fines, and fees, it didn't start from a credit transaction. So therefore, they never even had lawful authority to even pull your consumer report. So that's 2003. In 2007, four years later, Kevin D. Miller went and sued TransUnion and they they lost >> because the the rules changed four years prior. So if anyone has child support on their credit report, you can go look it up right now. It's Kevin D. Miller versus TransUnion. They got sued and it's they cannot it's been unlawful.

[00:38:29]>> Su people for a lot of money, too.

[00:38:31]>> Bro, think about this.

[00:38:33]How many times Wells Fargo gets sued every other every other year >> because Wells Fargo can't go to jail.

[00:38:40]>> You can't go to jail for a civil you can only go to jail when it's fraud. Uh or you can only go to jail for a debt based upon fraud. Let me make sure I say that correctly. But if it's on your credit report, it should not be there, bro.

[00:38:54]They're just waiting on on you because they have something called uh primmaacci which in and you've heard of innocent until proven guilty, right?

[00:39:04]>> Yes.

[00:39:04]>> That's in the judicial process. I explained to you that child support is not judicial, it's administrative. In the administrative process, they have something called primapaci, which says the courts take whatever is filed as true and correct until you provide evidence to say that it's not.

[00:39:21]>> So if you don't challenge it, no harm, no foul.

[00:39:24]>> Yeah. It's crazy, man. It get deeper.

[00:39:27]Let me ask you this cuz I felt like I think it was we were I was looking at an Instagram post and it was like >> I don't know if it was somebody in a car and they was just disrespecting the cops and it's almost like they deserve to get uh I feel like you commented on it was something similar but even that bro like how do I deal with the cops when I get pulled over bro? Is there when you >> I don't know if you talk on that.

[00:39:53]>> Yeah. So when I mean when you're dealing with the police, bro, like you see it all the time. They say license and registration. Why you pull me over? License and registration. What you don't understand is you there's a minimum contact. If you have they asking you for your driver license for a specific reason cuz once you hand over your driver's license, now they know you contracted with us and said now you on a public road that you already signed a contract that said if you get pulled over, you got to step out. Oh, we got to get your sobriety test. So now you violating your contract that you signed.

[00:40:28]So now these is where all of these other actions.

[00:40:30]>> Oh, that's a contract you sign when you get your license.

[00:40:33]>> The DMV.

[00:40:34]>> I didn't think about that.

[00:40:35]>> You don't think about it. Why? Because that >> cuz nobody read that.

[00:40:38]>> I was just getting ready. Who reads that? You just checking the box.

[00:40:40]Checking the box. Checking the box. Man, give me my license. Let me get up out the DMV. Yeah.

[00:40:44]>> And now even online. Bro, it can go deep into when you're talking about how these apps are tracking us and you you get to saying stuff on your, you know, not even on your phone and then all of a sudden you starting to see ads on your phone cuz when you download these apps, you don't read the terms and disclosures.

[00:41:04]You giving them access to you already.

[00:41:06]You just clicking, clicking, clicking, initial sign. Boom. I downloaded the app. It's the same process. It's all contract law. You signed the contract.

[00:41:14]So now they like you the one defaulting on your you reneg on your contract.

[00:41:19]>> Yeah.

[00:41:19]>> So yeah, we going to snatch you up out this car cuz you on a public road. They can't come back here and tell you let me see your license cuz this is private property. But when you go outside that gate, you in the public now you in my domain.

[00:41:32]>> Yeah. It it this this framework is not just for child support and family court.

[00:41:38]This is in life and in business.

[00:41:40]Everything we do is commerce. Everything that we do. So we are the only ones that when when you're we're operating using our uh personal information for when we doing business with Chase and T-Mobile and Wells Fargo and all of these companies. We're doing business. Yeah.

[00:41:59]>> So you have the right to contract publicly or privately what you do and how you go about it. That's on you.

[00:42:06]>> That's good, bro. Hey, um share share the people uh a last word of wisdom and let them know how they can tap in with you and support what you got going on.

[00:42:14]But more importantly, if they in something unlawful, they need to tap in with you anyhow. But let them give them a piece of word of advice or is something or cover something that I didn't ask you cuz I'm I don't know it all, but you've educated me enough where it's like, all right, I know some stuff now.

[00:42:31]>> I would I would say this. If the the the best thing that I feel is if you and the other parent don't are not working out, it's best to contract between yourself.

[00:42:44]You can go create a contract and get it notorized. Not that's a legal bonding agreement. Um try and and here's the thing. This is why I wrote >> Wait, say that part again. You go do this agreement with with your significant other.

[00:42:58]>> It's it's a legal bonding contract because you went and got it notorized.

[00:43:01]Now it's an affidavit because you signed it be you signed under the penalty of perjury that everything is true and correct. Now this is an affidavit because you just took an oath in front of this notary. So if we creating our own contract, we don't have to go inside of these courts. Um and I would say to to all of the men and even so mainly well I'm going to I'mma just this is just for the men. If if you're going through family court and the other parent is parental alienating against you, meaning they are keeping the children away from you, if I'm going in for custody, you have a right to equal opportunity with your children if you are a fit and present parent. Go get custody of your kids.

[00:43:48]Don't just have especially for us as a as black men, especially from people that coming from the hood. We don't like going and talk to them folks. I I ain't going to go in and talk to them people. Man, you you better go in and go talk to them people for your kids because if you don't now they f to take your kids away from you and now they f to start taking your money and now now you want to go and say, "Well, they they they did they doing me dirty." No, you didn't take your raggedy butt in there and go file the right documents to go get custody of your children. It's unfortunate that we have to fight for our children. But everything ain't fair. America ain't fair. That's the backbone of America. It is what it is, man. Go get custody of your kids. And not just legal custody.

[00:44:33]Physical custody is the key. If you don't specifically say, "I'm demanding 50/50 physical custody or equal time share," they presume that you're waving your rights >> and now you're you you have this obligation and title as a non-custodial parent. So, I I just like >> I didn't like how non-custodial >> non-custodial is it. Quick story. I'm walking in on my second hearing and it says NCP on the table. The hearing ain't even started yet. The baiff is walking me in and tells me to sit right here, but it says NCP right here before we even start. Objection. They looking around like, "What are we objecting to?"

[00:45:13]I said, 'Well, it says NCP on the tag.

[00:45:16]"Have I been found guilty of a crime?"

[00:45:18]The fake judge says, "No, you haven't been found guilty of anything." I said, "Well, I can't sit right here because I know what NCPs means that I've been found guilty in family court of abandoning my children pursuing to the 1935 Social Security Act." and she said from this she told the baby can you please remove that NCP tag and from this moment on everyone in here is to refer to Mr. Tilman as Mr. Tillman moving forward and I never had that conversation with them ever again. We have to object. If you don't object, that means you agree.

[00:45:48]>> Let me ask you this, bro. What do you think about uh Anthony Edwards had a baby?

[00:45:54]>> Mhm.

[00:45:55]>> And he he cashed the lady out for a million. Gave her a million.

[00:45:59]>> Like this your child support tell you 18. Here's the mill. Cash her out.

[00:46:05]>> From what I read, you could break it down. Now she's spinning the block uh saying, "I need some more bread." Tell me tell me what's your take on that whole situation.

[00:46:16]>> The there there's there's a another uh NBA player and it's not funny at all, but I was just he paid he I'm going just give you a whole another scenario, but same thing. He paid he had 18 years of receipts, cash apps, zels, uh cashier checks, wires, everything.

[00:46:42]The mother of the child went and filed for child support when the child was 17 years old.

[00:46:47]>> Don't tell me your back pay.

[00:46:50]>> They said he had she gave this woman over a million dollars documented. Guess what the court said? That didn't come through us. That was a gift.

[00:47:00]>> Wow.

[00:47:00]>> They retroactively added on over a million dollars in back paying child support even though he had documented because it didn't come through us.

[00:47:09]>> Wow.

[00:47:10]>> So now spending the block on Anthony Edwards, I have a two-part. Again, I I'm a father. Whether I don't want nothing to do with this woman or not, >> he still should be with the kid.

[00:47:23]>> Yeah. 1,00 ain't nothing. You could give her a bread, but that's your if that's your child based on >> paternity test.

[00:47:31]>> Yeah.

[00:47:31]>> You need to be there.

[00:47:32]>> Yeah. No. 1,000%. Like I didn't like people was like, well, he he did the right thing. He said he didn't want the should have put on a condom.

[00:47:40]>> If you didn't want it, I mean, and I mean, I'm going just just, you know, just take a look at that.

[00:47:47]>> No, I can't even touch that.

[00:47:48]>> This is how child support is fraud.

[00:47:49]>> Yeah. No, I got you. Yeah. You know, I mean, you got six of them. You know, this you this is like kryptonite.

[00:47:55]>> He like, "What is that? Get that out of my face.

[00:48:00]>> That man keep him handy though."

[00:48:02]>> No, but it's just promo.

[00:48:03]>> So, but yeah, but like no, I I I didn't like that move. It's It's like, yeah, even though you said, "Yeah, I don't want nothing to do with the, you know, the woman. I'mma cash you out."

[00:48:13]>> He he he took it a step to be responsible, but bro, that's your kid icon.

[00:48:17]>> And your brand, too. I mean, they it's a it's a notch on your character a little bit.

[00:48:22]>> Yeah. It's like, no, I can't I don't I don't respect that. But I understand what you tried to do. It's like, I don't want to be there. I'm I mean, help you out. I ain't leaving you in the cold >> cuz you know he going to make over a billion to two billion in the next 18 years >> and and she has if you know she has the right to that. But the the thing is >> he's about to get like a probably like a three $400 million probably contract.

[00:48:46]Yeah. I mean, >> he'll be in the league another 10 years, >> but it it it doesn't matter like as far as like moneywise. Like, if this is my kid, this is my kid.

[00:48:55]>> Take care of your kids.

[00:48:56]>> Take take care of your kids, man. Like, >> that's why I like about you're you're not trying to get somebody out of something that they don't supposed to be doing. It's only if it's lawful and and if it should happen.

[00:49:05]>> Yeah. And and and that's what that's what child support is fraud is. It's like, look, I'm not saying taking care of your children is fraud because I'm telling you, go get custody of your kids.

[00:49:14]>> Yeah. And if they entered you into this contract um unlawfully, yeah, then you have the right as an American to go and challenge that and and to correct it to where Yeah. I can I can deal because you have men and some women that have lost custody. Now they going back. They got to fight to get custody over their children. Why do I have to fight you to get time with my children? And this is this is the part that I don't understand.

[00:49:41]If a person says they want child support, but I'm saying give me 50/50 with the kids. I'm going to spend equal time with the children. The when they they going to eat, they going to get clothed. They >> want that money, bro.

[00:49:56]>> It ain't It ain't about the support. You don't You want child support, but you don't want support. Support.

[00:50:01]>> Yeah. No. Yeah. They want bread.

[00:50:03]>> And that's not for everybody. But it's there are some people that just like, man, it it life isn't fair. So, I just take it as it come and I deal with it when it's when it's in front of my face.

[00:50:13]>> Yeah, bro. It's been fire. Let everybody know they could tap in with you.

[00:50:17]>> Uh I mean, real simple, you know, childupportfraud.com.

[00:50:21]Um everything, Instagram, YouTube, Tik Tok, everything. All of the socials is childporishfraud.com.

[00:50:26]I mean, child support is fraud. But >> let's get it, y'all. Tap in with my guy.

[00:50:29]Y'all go get the book in his link in his bio. We'll drop it in the description and we'll see you guys on the next one, y'all.