I Have NEVER Interviewed Anyone Like This... A Human Encyclopedia

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[00:00:00]Has anyone ever described you as a human encyclopedia?

[00:00:13]>> Not quite. But >> I don't think I've ever interviewed anyone who off the cuff can name like just quote like you you are insane.

[00:00:23]>> My wife is going to say, "Hey, human encyclopedia, take out the garbage. Come on.

[00:00:30]Urri Calfman, thank you so very much for coming on the show. I really appreciate it. And I I'm a quick learner because we just did pronunciation lessons. Did I nail it?

[00:00:39]>> You nailed it. Excellent. And everybody gets it wrong. So I'm really really >> bless you. It it can only go well down from here then since we started so strongly. Let's try and try and keep it lifted. And look, that's not going to be a challenge for you. You are so impressive in so many ways. And what I I really noted when I was looking at at some of your interviews, some of your work, looking at your couple of books from recent times, we can all identify how badly wrong it's gone since October 7 in particular and clearly in many ways prior, but but in this specific space, but not many people can tell me why. I'm really good at at identifying the ways in which we've failed, but why is crucial. You you seem to be able to explain that almost better than anyone.

[00:01:27]>> Are you talking about the actual surprise attack?

[00:01:30]>> No, I mean that as well, but more that the reaction of the world and and the way in which people will change flat facts to fit their bias rather than look at facts to create a new perspective or an opinion. You explain it so well.

[00:01:44]>> Uh thank you. The best way to understand it is by engaging in a thought experiment. So imagine that every fact of the October 7 attack happened exactly the way it did. So just a quick recap, a hideous attack, totally unprovoked.

[00:01:58]1,200 people murdered, many, many women raped, thousands wounded, 251 hostages.

[00:02:04]All the opinion polls show that the Palestinian people uh supported it universally. Palestinians also regularly refer to Jews as apes and pigs. They do that because there's a verse in the Quran that does that. Anyone who doesn't believe me, just go on Google, type in Jews, apes, and pigs or Palestine apes and pigs. Scroll with your mouse. One last fact, the Biden administration budgeted billions of dollars of aid to Gaza. Not to kamas, of course, but to what they termed the innocent civilians.

[00:02:32]Okay, let's just assume, argument sake, every one of those facts happened exactly the way it did. Let's just change one fact. Let's assume that the attackers were not Palestinians. Let's assume they were Germans of another era or maybe Russians of another era or white South Africans. In other words, let's assume they were white people, not people of color. White people who say Jews are apes and pigs. Do you really think that Biden would have given billions of dollars of aid to the white supremacists? And now, let's just hold the thought one more moment. Let's just carry this all the way through by changing the identities of all the players. So, in this parallel universe, again, white supremacists who attack, not Arab supremacists, but let's assume they murder 1,200 black people and they rape black women. And then a Republican administration says, "We're going to give billions of dollars of aid to the poor innocent civilians, the innocent white supremacists who say blacks are apes and pigs." Okay, first of all, it would never happen. And second of all, if it did, there'd be rioting in the streets. People would go nuts. So, what's going on here? What's going on, I think, is a classic textbook case of cognitive dissonance. When people have deeply held beliefs and then facts appear that contradict the beliefs, people change the facts, not the beliefs. So for liberals and many people who are center left, the number one value priority. And for many reformed Jews, they've literally elevated this to the point of a religious conviction. The number one concern is fighting racism.

[00:04:00]That's a beautiful thing. I'm not knocking that. And if we were talking about the legacy of white South Africa, America's Jim Crow, slavery, we'd find a lot of common ground. It's just that these things have literally nothing whatsoever to do with Israel's uh uh uh life or death existential war with the Palestinians, which has been, you know, the Palestinians have started over a hundred years ago. But you have this highest profile conflict that pits people of color, the Palestinians, against a perceived white group of privilege, the Jews. So for folks on the left, many of them, the natural thing is to spring the defense of the people of color, the problem of course is the facts don't even remotely justify it. So they changed the facts to fit the narrative. Just one example, Barack Obama tweeted right after the attack on October the 23rd before the Israeli army even went into Gaza. He tweeted that we know we got to face facts. There's unclean hands on both sides. Whoa. Both sides. Well, why the moral equivalence?

[00:04:58]He said why? because of what he termed the quote unbearable occupation unquote.

[00:05:03]There's just one problem. There was no occupation. Israel had withdrawn over 18 years before. But he doesn't like those facts. So you change the facts to fit the narrative. The New York Times does this all the time. And it's really pretty unfortunate.

[00:05:20]>> We look at at at that and that's just it gives so much clarity to a situation that is so confusing in so many ways for someone like me. And I look at this conflict aside and I never found it difficult to look at the situation and assess who was good, who was bad. There was no complexity in that. For me, I look at Russia, Ukraine, a and whilst I'm banned in Russia because I called Vladimir Putin a warlord and I I believe that with absolute conviction with new information that comes in and with my eyes being opened in other ways, I can also look at say Zalinski and say, okay, still believe they are the victims of this this awful war and and you know, they didn't start it and Putin is is the evil one. There are issues with Zilinsky and the way he runs Ukraine that that I can then shift my perspective and my rhetoric around and say, "Okay, well, they're not perfect. I still believe that it's an unjust war." You can actually evolve in your viewpoint when facts come into play that it's the whole point. Why do people find that so difficult? Does that say to them, "Oh, I don't want people to think I've been wrong." It doesn't you've been wrong.

[00:06:28]But but why can't people look at information and say, "Oh, I just read this thing or I just saw this this thing or I just saw this fact and now I've changed my opinion." That's okay.

[00:06:39]>> I couldn't agree with you more. That's what smart people do. They look at the facts and then they and they form a judgment. However, however, cognitive dissonance is a very very powerful human emotion. And the the psychologist who identified it was a guy by the name of Leon Festinger. He wrote a book called When Prophecy Fails. And what he found was to have cognitive dissonance you need two things. Number one, people get very invested in something. And number two, a wide social group so that when it turns out it's wrong, they can uh they can get social support or emotional support from other like-minded people.

[00:07:12]Now, a woman named Barbara Tuckman, one of the great American historians of the 20th century, wrote a book about this.

[00:07:18]It's called When Prophecy uh No, it's called The March of Folly. And what she found was that of all the fields of human endeavor, the one most susceptible to cognitive dissonance is government policy. Egos are big, investments are huge, a lot of people buy in. So when it blows up, people just refuse to admit they made a mistake. And she gives a lot of examples. This is how you end up in Vietnam for 10 years. When it was self-evident it was a mistake. This is how King George III in the American Revolutionary War kept doubling down and doubling down. and his advisor said all these taxes are going to cost far far more than you know the war that we have to fight are going to is going to cost more than anything we'll ever get from any of these taxes. You're leading yourself into ruin. But again, no one wants to admit they're wrong. If you remember the old uh uh child story, the uh emperor's new clothes, I don't know if it's if it's popular down in Australia. Uh everyone reads it here as a kid and we all know the story. a bunch of con artists say to the king, "We're going to make you these beautiful clothes, but only smart people can see them." So, Hans Christian Anderson actually wrote that as a satire >> against government policy. And when I was a kid, and the version I read, all right, when the king marches through town naked and the child says, "Look, he's naked." The, you know, the king like, "Oh my goodness." And then the bad guys are arrested, there's a happy ending. In the original, which again was a satire, the king can't admit he made a mistake. So he keeps marching through town with his sickopantic ministers carrying the imaginary robes behind him.

[00:08:52]That's the power of cognitive dissonance. People are not going to say, you know, I'm fighting this racial, you know, racism, but I'm going to change my mind when it comes to this. It does not that's not the way people think. So again, they change the facts to fit the narrative.

[00:09:07]>> So you what you're saying is this ain't nothing new.

[00:09:10]>> Oh god, no. In fact, I'll give you one better. Just yesterday in my hometown newspaper of the New York Times, Ben Rhodess, who was Barack Obama's right-hand man, okay, wrote a scathing piece against Israel. And one of the things he criticizes that they didn't let food into Gaza. Now, this is factually nonsensical. Benjamin is the only leader literally in the history of the world to supply his enemies in the middle of a war. He supplied them with 2 million tons of food so far, purely on humanitarian grounds. But when Barack Obama went to war against ISIS in Islamic State and it was an identical campaign. Israel went to war to see to the kamas not rule Gaza. We Americans went to war to see to it that ISIS not control Islamic State. Okay. When we went to war, we didn't supply any food.

[00:09:59]We starved them out. If you I'd love to point to the article in the New York Times or or CNN. It doesn't exist. But the Huffington Post, which prides itself on covering things that everyone else ignores, the Huff Post on April the 29th, 2016, a reporter named Christine Alfred did a story on the siege of Fallujah. This was done by America. And at that moment, this is 2016, early in the war, 140 people had already been starved to death. The rest of the city was reduced to making soup from grass.

[00:10:31]This is legal under international law. I hate to break the news to people. She put the question to Josh Ernest who was then Obama's White House spokesman. To his credit, he didn't deny it. He said, "Look, we're in a war. It's tough." So, this is the way it is. Bottom line, when Ben Rhodess was there, he didn't supply food. Yet, he's accusing Nit who did and he's calling him a war criminal. I mean, this is just plain insanity.

[00:10:56]>> And it really is. And I don't know if you're aware too much of of my father, but he was a major general in the Australian army who actually ran the war in Iraq for the US forces for that year during the battle of Fallujah. Also ran uh Iraq's first democratic election in 50 years. So he fought that kind of enemy and he would say to us and he actually ended up going to Israel I think in 2014 with Richard Kemp and another couple of retired generals/kernels and the headline of the article and this was of course for them to investigate Israel's conduct because that's what we do to our enemy our allies sorry we should do it to our enemies we do it to our allies we investigate them and the quote from dad having run the war on behalf of the Americans in Iraq in I think around 2004 was they put us to shame referring to how Israel conducts itself during war, having just run a war for the Americans, a moral war, a just war, a war that followed the rules. And he still said the way Israel fight, they put us to shame in the minimization of of harm towards civilians and and and everything else. So, you know, to to pretend otherwise is ridiculous. War is messy. It is chaotic. It is awful. Uh but but it is war. And you're exactly right. There was enough aid in there.

[00:12:06]there would still be enough aid in there had they not sent any more in to satisfy the population.

[00:12:12]>> So, thank you and thank your father for his service. I did not actually did not know that. That's really extraordinary.

[00:12:18]Um, I'll give you another example. Um, Barack Obama in December of 2016 sent F-16 fighter jets to blow up and completely wipe out the main hospital in the city of Mosul. It's called the Salem Hospital. There is a picture of it online. Anyone can get it. The Associated Press took a picture. It was nothing but a smoking wreck. By the way, this is legal under international law.

[00:12:40]Article 19 of the Geneva Convention says black on white. If a hospital is being used for any kind of military purpose, I don't remember the exact phraseiology, but it's a very low bar. You are it loses its immunity. You can blow it up.

[00:12:54]And Barack Obama did that. And I'm I'm not questioning Barack Obama. I mean, I would have done the same. He's a good guy. I would have my, you know, disputes with him politically, but nobody wants to do these things. But this is how war is fought and it is legal. Israel by contrast when it came to the Shifa hospital in Gaza gave warning, gave up the element of surprise, sent in ground troops, moved the patients out, preserved the physical plant, fought running gun battles through the hospital, including the pediatric ward.

[00:13:22]They found guns hidden in MRI machines.

[00:13:24]Okay, this is genocide. At least according to the kooky mayor that we've just elected here in New York City, Zoran Mandani, uh I don't think he's going to arrest Barack Obama, but he wants to arrest Benjamin Nyo. And you know, it's really kind of upside down if you think about it.

[00:13:40]>> Well, the whole thing is you look at Osama bin Laden and America going into Pakistan, but when you know, Israel decided to have a little crack in Qatar, it's oh, this is a you know, the hypocrisy is insane. Utterly insane. And and usually with people who are being that blatantly hypocritical when they understand that there is evidence to back up the claim of hypocrisy are a little bit kind of you know they're they don't have as much confidence in their delivery. But here people seem to to spout this stuff and put it out there knowing that the evidence exists to back up the complete hypocrisy of which they preach. It's it's like people don't Oh no, but we're about to point out an example where you did the exact same thing but worse. Oh, they they don't even care.

[00:14:25]>> Correct. It wasn't even, you know, when America went into war, uh, and by the way, when we went to war against Islamic State, and it was a righteous war, and the way to save lives is to win the war.

[00:14:37]If you leave the Nazis in power, they attack again, more innocent people die.

[00:14:41]If you leave Islamic State or Kamas in power, they recons, they attack again, more innocent people die. The way to save lives is to win the war. When we went to war against ISIS, we Americans, Operation Inherent Resolve, we didn't want to take casualties. We sent in our air force. By the way, we weren't the only ones. We Americans supplied 70% of the air power. Britain 20% and Australia, France, Canada, a bunch of others were the last 10%. So, you have a perfect statement of all the good countries, the enlightened countries in the world. And we blew every city they had off the map. We literally, the Ranch Corporation wrote a history.

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[00:17:42]Even if you accept the nonsense numbers from the kamas so-called health ministry which has been shown to be lying >> even then legitimate on the lower end >> and that is accused of genocide and Obama's fine and it's it's really unbelievable. Talk to me about the impact. And I I look at the book behind you, American inifarta. And there are so many youthful idiots marching along, you know, pretending to be feminists next to Hamas flags calling for inif with no understanding whatsoever of what it is and what it would mean for them in their own home cities, in their countries. We see this spread particularly through the Muslim Brotherhood. Now it has infiltrated itself in colleges, social media, schools, everywhere in the west.

[00:18:27]And this is their plan. By the way, I don't understand this whole notion of when people tell you who they are, let's not believe them. I'll believe them because they're doing a very good job of what they have written solidly and set out to do. Talk to me about what an American into FAR would look like and and is it too late to stop what what feels like it's already well and and truly bolted out of the gate? So it's never too late. That's first of all. And I believe in the American people uh completely as I believe in the Australian people. I really do think it's just a flaw in thinking. I also believe that we are looking at something that really has been inspired from abroad. You know, the great professor Neil Ferguson said, I don't care what anybody says. I know academia. I've been in it my whole life. Nothing happened spontaneously. Right after the attack happened, the seven most elite universities in America, Harvard, Yale, Penn, bunch of others spontaneously had all these protests with the same message of genocide, genocide before the Israeli army even went into Gaza. A lot of people have pointed out the tents that were handed out all seem to look identical. There I don't have any evidence. I want to be clear. I can't prove anything, but there really does seem to have been a guiding hand. Well, one of the one of the the campus groups, didn't they reenact kind of load up their social media that had been dormant like two days prior to October 7?

[00:19:48]>> I didn't hear that. I it might be true.

[00:19:49]I didn't hear that one.

[00:19:50]>> Yeah, there was one of them and and I I I was about to say I've seen verified reports, but what does that mean in this day and age? Bloody who knows. Uh dependent on the source, but but they had reenacted their social media one or two days prior to October 7. was a a college campus pro Palestinian kind of group. It felt like there was some element of coordination.

[00:20:11]>> It wouldn't surprise me. But I will say this, I'm much more forgiving of college kids, especially when they've been indoctrinated. I am much less forgiving of, for example, Amnesty International, right after in May of 2024. Now, you got to remember by then, >> two Israeli women courageously stepped forward and said they'd been raped.

[00:20:30]Yeah. two kamas terrorists admitted it on film and the UN did a study and the UN is not exactly known for its pro-Israel sympathies finding way. So I went to uh the Amsterdam >> and Chesar Albanesei still denied it by the way of course I mean that shouldn't shock anyone just terrorists you know admitting it and the women sharing their story bravely but yes >> yeah so Ammerst international I went to their website I went on the search bar I typed in the word rape 2632 matches came back rape in Rwanda rape in Darur rape in south rape in every corner of planet earth just one place they missed Israel so I said well that can't be so I typed in kamas rape. Only one entry came back. It was a Palestinian woman who claimed Israelis threatened to rape her.

[00:21:17]>> Yeah.

[00:21:17]>> This is what we've been reduced to. And they won the Nobel Peace Prize.

[00:21:22]>> You I mean I I did a segment maybe, oh gosh, it's time goes by, doesn't it? It might be even a year ago now, maybe six months or something when I did the exact same thing. I went on all the social media feeds of of um Amnesty International, the Red Cross, United Nations, all the different kind of arms of it, searching regarding, you know, all all these different things, everything you refer to, the plight of the hostages, you know, rape, sexual abuse, the the murder of children, and it was I think one of on one of them, the only thing that came up was regarding a prisoner, not a hostage.

[00:21:54]These are very different things as I know you understand very well. A prisoner in an Israeli prison who had who who they were advocating for his release despite the fact that he had and gone through a court system of a democratic nation mind you been charged and found guilty of giving millions of dollars siphoning money through to Hamas. And this was who and I think it was amnesty or it might have been like one of them one of these legitimate humanitarian organizations had used space on their social media accounts to advocate for his release. Not one thing regarding an Israeli hostage in Gaza in a tunnel. Not one.

[00:22:29]>> And people people still think they're legitimate though. Uri, this is the issue that I find. People will say to me, "But Erin, it's United Nations."

[00:22:36]Like, come on. And I used to be one of those people, by the way. I'm I'm happy to hands up admit that I didn't understand how how, you know, the decay and the rot in the United Nations. The old me would have thought, oh, you know, they care deeply about humanity and and they're a, you know, reputable organization. I now know very differently, but it terrifies me how they give legitimacy to things that don't deserve it because people still see them as this kind of beacon of hope.

[00:23:01]>> Oh, I couldn't agree more. And in fact, if you ask Lauren Mandani, he automatically just reflexively says, well, the International Criminal Court says that is a criminal. Now the IC is not a court in any it's like saying that apartheid was legitimate because the white South African Supreme Court said it's not a legitimate court rebranded arm of the UN. It's a dictator's club.

[00:23:25]The UN among many other things condemned Israel for signing a peace treaty with Egypt. Most people don't know this. It's General Assembly Resolution 3470. And I'll just leave you with one other thought on the UN. The UN has accused Israel again of of war crimes. One of the central ones was the uh supposed starvation in Gaza. But now here's what happened. Israel supplied the food to Gaza. According to all accounts, the problem was distribution inside Gaza.

[00:23:52]Why stole it? Boy, because the UN refused to give it out unless they did it through UNRA, which is a kamas. So who wait a minute now? Who's the war criminal responsible? Yeah.

[00:24:05]food or the UN which is a humanitarian organization which must and they said WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE IT OUT UNLESS it goes through UNRA unless it goes through kamas not if it goes through GHF >> why are we not investigating the United Nations for >> that's groundbreaking and that in and of itself would be enough had mainstream media covered it like they should have to open people's eyes up and that's all I ask of people to actually just have a look at it but the issue is mainstream media are not going to do that story they're not going to do a story that that you know uncovers failings within the United Nations because that might mean that they can't blame Israel you know and that would be a serious flaw in their modus operande particularly over the past couple of years. Uh where to from here what what do you want to leave my viewers and my listeners with in terms of I know you say you always have hope and you believe in people. I am exactly the same. I I believe the vast majority of people are good, decent, loving people. I genuinely believe that.

[00:25:02]Sometimes I waver. There are there are moments but for the most part. What can you leave us with in regards to hope for a better future for all? And that's a lot of pressure I admit.

[00:25:13]>> No, I would say the following. Uh anti-semitism is a lot like cancer.

[00:25:18]There are some form there are a lot of different kinds. Some are more aggressive than others. Some sadly are not treatable, but many many others are.

[00:25:26]So you talk about a Tucker Carlson, a Candace Owens, a Nick Fues. I I can't help those people. They're they're not treatable and that's fine. But I really do believe this. Most people it's just a flaw in thinking and their heart's in the right place. They want to fight racism. They want us a colorblind society. I agree completely. I just think they're overcorrecting. They see the Palestinians as the people of color, the Jews as the white group. If you just get people to confront their biases and look at this cleareyed, let me give you just one other the Iran. You got Ayatollah in Iran saying Jews are apes and pigs. We're going to kill every one of them. They have a clock ticking in Thran down to the day time in 2040 when they're going to kill all the Jews, drop a bomb on Israel. Okay, let's just assume all those things are true. Just change one fact. Let's assume they're white supremacists who say they're going to kill all the black people. Now, do you really think Obama would have done an Iran deal with that country? Okay, they get to keep the first generation centrifuges, continue the research, do the research to weaponize the file material on a missile, which everyone says is the hardest part. They can make arms in five years, missiles in eight, enrich uranium in 10. In 15 years, it sunsets. The breakout period is maybe a few weeks, and in the meantime, they get over a hundred billion dollars to fund insurgencies to kill all the black people because they say they're apes and pigs. It never would have happened, but the Iranians are the people of color.

[00:26:49]The Jews are the white group of privilege. Now suddenly you start to talk yourself into it. Maybe the reason the Iranians hate us is the 1953 coup, which by the way is nonsense. The Ayatollah supported the coup for the same reason we did. I'm not defending what we did. We shouldn't have done it.

[00:27:04]But to say that that's why the Ayatollah hate us is just ridiculous. Or you say, well, the Iranians are going to take that hundred billion, spend it on their children, which is what Obama said.

[00:27:13]Ridiculous. The Ayatollah famously said the revolution was not about the price of watermelons. What he meant was, you know, the things that you and I take for granted. What's the role of government?

[00:27:25]To improve the lives of the citizenry.

[00:27:27]He didn't believe that the role of government is to kill the infidels. It's to conquer Mecca and establish a caliphate to the exclusion of everything else. Which is why Iran today, they're dying of thirst. They have like 40%.

[00:27:40]They're still sending billions to Hezbollah, billions to the >> It's not mismanagement. I if I hear one more network say oh you know mismanagement no they are making a very conscious decision to prioritize death and destruction including of their own people because they don't care but of others over looking after their own people >> and if I could just make one other point dissonance is something we all do we all do it absolutely the famous medieval rabbi mymanities we know him as his Hebrew acum the Rambam wrote in one of his most famous works is called the guide to the perplexed exactly attacking this phenomena. And he said writing in the 1100s, the world is more than whatever 4,000 years old. Okay, we cannot take Genesis, the creation epic literally. This created a tremendous stir at the time. There was a rabbi Schlommo of Montelier who had a book burning. Now after my monities passed away, Rav Schlommo retracted. He asked for forgiveness. But the point is mymonities established the rule. When the interpretation of the Bible is contradicted by the fact, we change the interpretation. We don't change the fact. That is what thinking people do.

[00:28:51]And the and my monities also said famously, >> I want to I will say something even if to gladden the heart of one wise man even if it angers 10,000 fools. If you just have that mindset and you're always understanding and polite, I really think we can reach people just confront biases and get educated. What happened in Palestine bears no relation whatsoever to what happened in North America, South America, Australia, New Zealand, the New York. It's a totally different fact pattern. I mean, we could do a whole podcast explaining. I don't have enough time to give all the difference and I'd have to stop in the middle to shave. Uh but if you get educated, if you get educated, you'll see that it's just they're they're nothing. It's really being being a useful idiot for a bunch of people who just don't deserve their support. or has anyone ever described you as a human encyclopedia?

[00:29:44]>> Not quite. But u ever interviewed anyone who off the cuff can name like just quote like you you are insane.

[00:29:53]>> My wife is going to say hey human encyclopedia take out the garbage. Come on.

[00:29:58]>> Hey mutually exclusive. You can do both.

[00:30:01]You can do both. Uh you are absolutely brilliant. Um I I love how all the kind of woke right always say bring receipts bring you know I'll bring receipts and they never bring receipts. You black up everything you say with real life examples qu historical context facts it's phenomenal. Thank you. You've been such a value ad and I'm very grateful to have had you on the Aron Mullen show. So thank you so much.

[00:30:25]>> Thank you so much and thank you for everything you do. It really takes a lot of courage and thank you and I see where it comes from. Thank your father for his service.

[00:30:32]>> Bless you. We actually we actually lost him a couple of years ago, Urie. And it's um but what I say to you is the pain of it is as intense and as acute as it was the day that he died and and we lost him to prostate cancer off the back of his service in Iraq. He was exposed to the pits. Uh which is which is awful.

[00:30:50]But what a privilege to miss him and feel so much pain at his loss. What a privilege because if I felt less, he would be less and I would never want that. So, I'm a very blessed person to have had him and I I love the fact that it still hurts so much because it means he was so amazing. So, and I love talking about him as well. So, thank you for your beautiful kind words and I'm sure up there he's listening and and he says thank you. So, thank you.

[00:31:14]>> Thank you.