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[00:00:00]This is the Situation Room, the only way to start your day.

[00:00:08]Yes, please. Really? Okay. Okay.

[00:00:10][laughter] Well, good morning.

[00:00:13]Good morning. How are you? Good.

[00:00:15]Fantastic. Jana >> [snorts] >> Ooh, we find you. Very good. Yes. We are very proud. Yes.

[00:00:27]Um Evelyn is running this morning.

[00:00:30]Running, running, running to you.

[00:00:32]I'll be running to you. Running, running, running The man who sang that song is currently embroiled in a scandal of epic proportion. Uh-huh.

[00:00:43]What are you going to do? Um uh Hey, I cannot say it's on air. They're just running around.

[00:00:49]>> My God in heaven. Yeah.

[00:00:52]Anyway, it's okay.

[00:00:54]Anyway, good morning. You're fine? I'm very good, very good.

[00:01:00]Huh?

[00:01:05]To achieve that Okay. So [laughter] because uh we go down the slippery slope and down the rabbit hole and we will not be able to come out at some any point today.

[00:01:13]Um establishing the fact that everybody is doing okay, karibuni sana. And a very good morning to you. Top of the morning, folks. And um hope everybody is doing well. Coming into Thursday, the number of things we're going to look at today.

[00:01:27]And establishing the fact that this is the Situation Room. It's Kenya's biggest conversation, whether you're tuned in from wherever it is you are around the world, welcoming you in. Huh? Welcoming you.

[00:01:38]>> [laughter] >> It happened.

[00:01:47]If they cannot say Kipchoge or Keitany, don't worry.

[00:01:52]>> Welcoming you.

[00:01:53]>> It is fine.

[00:01:54]>> It's all right. Yes. It's okay.

[00:01:56]You understand what I was trying to say?

[00:01:59]All right.

[00:02:00]We'll talk in a bit and say welcome to everybody. And we're getting into conversations today.

[00:02:05]Things that it's everybody was I think everybody who tried to get into a public service vehicle yesterday was able to do that. I still don't know if the fares are higher. I yet haven't heard anybody complaining. And so maybe they're waiting until next week if they're going to reduce the thing by another 10 shillings. And then suddenly people will be happy.

[00:02:19]>> We're waiting for Tuesday. Waiting for Tuesday. Yeah. We are waiting for Tuesday. We wait and see exactly what's going to happen.

[00:02:26]Where you guys I saw Aisha. Mhm. She back? Aisha is back. Yeah. Mhm. Aisha went to marry. Mhm. Aisha.

[00:02:35]Reality just struck because you >> [laughter] >> picked it from a different location.

[00:02:40]>> Khabisa.

[00:02:40]>> Yeah. Mhm. But it's good. Good. It's good. I'm happy. Aisha, are you listening to the radio? I'm happy to see you this morning.

[00:02:47]Just a shout-out to you sister. And karibu sana. Back to the grind. Well, let me tell you what we'll be talking about today as we get into it. I wanted to tell you something so important.

[00:02:59]Anyway, I'm sure it'll come back in the middle of when we're talking about something totally different. But who am I?

[00:03:04]I will say it at that point. Um I don't know what it's done to my brain. But anyway, it was very very important. But maybe it was not that not that important if I forgot it clearly.

[00:03:15]Okay. So what are we going to be talking about today? Let me let you in on that.

[00:03:18]It's going to be Kainde kainde from 7:00 having conversations.

[00:03:26]Hey, why are we not opening the thing? I don't like this kind of thing. It's not cool. It's not cool. It's not thinking.

[00:03:33]It's not it's refusing to cooperate with me and I don't know why.

[00:03:37]But I do know that at 8:00 our justice Thursday conversation is around consent age and the courts. This is a big issue.

[00:03:45]Whether there has been a landmark ruling or not, we're going to go into the issues of this conversation. That we have many a child under 18 according to the laws of Kenya who have been roped into the legal system and have either been, you know, charged in court for statutory rape, right? And Justice Odunga then in his in the Romeo and Juliet case then was very clear about, "Look, if we have a boy and a girl underage, we should at least either reduce or do away with that minimum sentence, especially when there's consensus in terms of that act." So, we're going to be looking at that with Wakili Morara Omoke who's an advocate today. And our [snorts] Justice Thursday conversation is around consent, age, and the courts.

[00:04:30]I think it's important sometimes that we don't really realize how important these things are until you get yourself in a bit of a pickle. And I mean, God forbid that that should ever happen to anybody, but it does and that's the reality of our times. So, our Justice Thursday conversation today allows us to go into these realms and see what the courts actually do have to say whether there are things that you can argue, whether there are positions that you can take over certain things. And so, that's the conversation that we shall be having today around our Justice Thursday conversation. You want to plug in, you want to give us your examples, you want to tell us some of the things that you may have experienced, do let us know what that is. I know you're the light is flickering.

[00:05:09]>> [laughter] >> It's not Christmas.

[00:05:11]It's not Christmas. It's not Dennis's birthday yet. Thanks. [laughter] >> [gasps] >> Hello, we're not celebrating just yet.

[00:05:18]>> [snorts] >> Um so, that's our Justice Thursday conversation. At at um 7:00 Benji Benji Ndolo is a political analyst. Alenga Toroster is a policy and governance analyst. Leading Kenya from the ground or from the sky? That's the conversation we start off today at 7:00.

[00:05:39]And who's leading Kenya I guess is the question that's being asked. And maybe a couple of headlines will also will also allude to that conversation as well. So, that's what we talk about with two gentlemen at 7:00. We talked Justice Thursday at 8:00. And then with all due respect, Kennedy Kaunda is the chairman of the tour guides association. We saw his smile followed by his frown on Monday night, followed then in on Tuesday with his smile. And uh maybe they'll come and let us know um the issue and around the cry. Are we really looking at a Tuesday where the folks are saying, "Guys, no, this cannot be." And what turned the frown on Monday night into a smile >> Yep. on Tuesday afternoon. Those are the questions that we'll ask Kennedy Kaunda today with all due respect. That's what the conversations look like today.

[00:06:23]Karibu ni sana. Jump on, guys. So, let's talk about the things that affect us.

[00:06:27]Let's talk about the things that um um we should be looking forward to.

[00:06:30]Let's switch and change up the conversation. Karibu ni sana as we do that today. Mr. Yes. We're still in Gabon? Still in Gabon. Mhm. So, we talked about the fact that Gabon has its natural nuclear reactor. Yes.

[00:06:42]>> It is considered to be the lung of the world pretty much because of its they share the Congo Basin, the rainforest, right? Mhm. And also they're rich in in oil. Um they extract the same.

[00:06:54]Are they um are they processing it? No. Mhm. So, perhaps with the Strait of Hormuz, maybe that is another place Kenya could be looking into because we're planning to build out a refinery locally. But let's go to the proverb and this one Mhm.

[00:07:11]Even a leopard cub has spots. Mhm.

[00:07:19]Yeah.

[00:07:21]Somebody is who they are from the beginning. It's very, very difficult to change anybody.

[00:07:26]From the beginning and you may not be able to see them, but they are there.

[00:07:31]>> Yeah. Yeah. There are indications that somebody is like this or like this and like that. And it's from time. It's some things that you cannot change.

[00:07:41]Attitudes, behavior you can change, but who someone is, the way a situation is, there's very little you can do to change that. You can paint it, but then they could walk in the rain and it will come out.

[00:07:53]>> Come out, yeah.

[00:07:55]A particular situation might make a change temporarily, but it is imprinted on who you are. Mhm.

[00:08:03]Character and identity often reveal itself early. You need to look Mhm. Pay attention.

[00:08:11]>> That's pay attention. Yeah. So that later um you don't complain. Yes. Because it showed you >> Ooh, yeah. Yeah. The red flags, you saw them.

[00:08:20]>> are always there. You saw them.

[00:08:22]>> them. You just chose not to uh believe that they were there or to pay attention. Absolutely, Dennis.

[00:08:27]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. But those red flags were there.

[00:08:31]No, they didn't.

[00:08:32]No. They were there. It is you who chose. Let me tell you.

[00:08:34]>> [laughter] >> An indicator can be interpreted by 55 million Kenyans differently. Yeah. But I love it. Yep. You saw it.

[00:08:41]>> it. Yes, you did. Mhm. You chose to go along with it or to ignore it. You You saw it. And some of the We talk about red flags or sometimes they are green flags. Yeah. So it can be positive as well. They're green flags and you chose not to >> Not to. pay attention to it, but this is what this person was telling you from the very beginning. Sindiyo. Kabisa.

[00:08:56]Mhm. Let's say a good morning to everybody. Thank you for tuning in around the country, the world, uh the region, um whether you tuned in on radio going where you need to go, silent listener who listens in and chucks into our conversations daily. Asante sana.

[00:09:10]Ma- Amelia, I'm going to get back to you. I seen you sent me a message. I'm sorry about that. I didn't ignore you.

[00:09:14]I'm just going to I'm going to respond in just a minute. Okay, maybe in a few hours. Uh but thank you for getting in touch. And our audience on KTN, as you watch and go, thank you so much for tuning in. So let's talk about these things this morning. I'll just say a quick hello to you. Peter Kiarie has tuned in this morning from Mombasa and he said this world won't hand you anything. You either fight for your place or you spend your life watching others take what you were too afraid to chase.

[00:09:38]>> Pesa. Mhm.

[00:09:40]Nobody's coming to save you.

[00:09:43]Just have a condo says good morning team spice tuning in from Twitter in Mombasa and Enoch and Zena says hello. Well, hello to you too.

[00:09:51]A good to all Gambo's tuned in this morning. Hello princess Induanaceto says Leo since 2024 there has been a narrative of Kikuyus don't want a Kalenjin to rule. The same was repeated during the strike. Who benefits from this narrative? Let me tell you for free, nobody.

[00:10:07]Yeah. Nobody benefits from the narrative of spewing hate or trying to divide people along the lines of where they from where they from. It's like the leopard who cannot change its spots. You cannot change who you are but you can change how you decide to relate with other people. Yeah. This narrative this tribal narrative helps nobody.

[00:10:27]>> Nobody. That's the question.

[00:10:29]>> even individuals who try to push that narrative ask them when's the last time they ask someone who they are, their name, where they come from for them to do business or to even have a conversation with them.

[00:10:41]They do not.

[00:10:42]>> come up. Exactly.

[00:10:43]>> It doesn't come up. So nobody benefits.

[00:10:45]Nobody. Don't pay attention to them but pay attention to the spots on that little leopard.

[00:10:53]Enoch, good morning to you. Here we go another day another conversation kabisa.

[00:10:57]The conversations matter because we find ourselves circling back to certain things.

[00:11:01]Buangijuma says good morning team spice.

[00:11:03]How are you all this blessed Thursday?

[00:11:05]We're chugging along brother. Mhm. Tim Smoker says good morning Spice FM team Cuba needs more eyes. Ajisasa.

[00:11:12]Hussein Omar says good morning Spice tuned in from Busia County.

[00:11:17]Peace timer, I'm watching you.

[00:11:19]Indu, actually Induku. No, no, no.

[00:11:22]Should be your Kenyan name Abby. No.

[00:11:26]You think times are hard when you hear someone has a jacuzzi bedroom and four girls from Seychelles in his plane.

[00:11:31]Well, okay, I don't think we can now take that as fact. We don't know. I think it's a source for a lot of comedy at the moment.

[00:11:37]>> It's just comedy, yeah. Come on, and I don't think we can be sure. Until you're sure. Until you're sure. In the meantime, new story. New story. Kimi Akses, they allegedly bribed our representatives in transport industry, and the selfish rep smiled for the cameras and turned it all into all due disrespect to us. Nothing good will come out of this Kenya concert coming. Kimi Akses, good morning.

[00:11:57]>> [laughter] >> Well, maybe you'll have an an opportunity to talk with Kennedy Kalonzo today and ask him, "Okay, excuse me. How did the frown turn into a smile in less than 24 hours?" And that's the question that we're going to be asking today. It's just find out exactly what happened.

[00:12:11]>> [snorts] >> Mhm.

[00:12:12]Robert Wako says good morning to you from Mombasa. Dr. Venvic says good morning from Tudor. Good morning to you.

[00:12:19]Mark Mwangi, I think Mrembo wet breakfast set to boys wet too.

[00:12:23]Wet ground. I have news for you with all due respect.

[00:12:27]New what to angle. Oh, that's beautiful.

[00:12:29]Oh, Asante sana, Mark. I wasn't quite sure where we were going with that, but I had to read it again. Thank you so much. [laughter] I had gone a totally different direction.

[00:12:38]But it's good. Yeah. Fiery Red says, "Do with the beautiful eyes." Good morning.

[00:12:41]Good morning to you. And I settle with a nice new specs. He looks really good, doesn't he?

[00:12:46]Thank you.

[00:12:47]>> [laughter] >> Mhm. Another day to endorse the one who says nothing good will come out of the Kiki regime. That [laughter] would be Kimi Akses.

[00:12:55]That would be Kimi Akses. Fiery Red, I think you found a friend.

[00:12:58]So, here we go. Um Ryan Ewo, I said to to my ear number number says I come I want to ask Nali to push you Kiliki.

[00:13:07]0722 187 [laughter] 7 dash dash.

[00:13:13]I'll slide in your DM.

[00:13:15]Just see what I was saying Ali. Yeah.

[00:13:17]Let me tell you, carrying that trophy is heavy.

[00:13:21]>> [laughter] >> We're going somewhere else now.

[00:13:26]>> [laughter] >> Champions League now we are playing.

[00:13:28]Champions, yeah.

[00:13:30]Um I said to please confirm you brought what you promised and do. Wait, let me confirm. He did. You guys In fact, that was it. Thank you very much. That was what I wanted to say. So, this man didn't just bring me one, he brought me three of those soft bristle toothbrushes for, you know, my current situation. So, the next one, yeah, she's sorted.

[00:13:47]>> I'm sorted. You know, you're sup- People, you're supposed to change your toothbrush every 3 months, you know. So, this guy has made sure that, you know, and then I don't know about myself. I mean, you know, you come to work and you work with people, but then you really then you have your people. Yeah.

[00:14:03]>> [laughter] >> Yes, he did and I'm saying it here in public. He did. Thank you so much.

[00:14:08]Um Mark Mwa Ngui. Uh my prince, good morning everybody. Good morning to you.

[00:14:12]How are you?

[00:14:13]Andrew Shira says, Kenya sihami, with all due respect, came down as tumbocratic.

[00:14:18]Walishiba. Vancouver is locked. Wow, wow, wow. You guys, we can't change like that.

[00:14:24]Erica War says, good morning everybody.

[00:14:25]Good morning, guys. Enoch and Zaina says, good morning team spice, looking good from India. Namaste. Namasakara.

[00:14:31]Wewe, wewe, wewe, Joylene is here.

[00:14:33]Joylene.

[00:14:34]Joylene. She'll answer. Good morning, Joylene is here, you guys.

[00:14:38]Very good, very good. She has even answered. She has shouted in that fairy voice.

[00:14:43]>> [laughter] >> Mark Oliver says, it pains me that in 2026 we are still mourning innocent lives lost to violence. Can you believe it? Yeah. Can you believe that four people were killed on Monday? Can you believe it?

[00:14:56]Look, I saw another very Look, my heart.

[00:15:00]I saw another horrifying story of a grade 10 girl who had been Let me just say it. She had been raped and thrown in the bush. No, raped, killed, and then thrown in the bush, retrieved yesterday morning.

[00:15:15]What is it?

[00:15:17]What is it? What is it that this girl, who is 13, 14 years old, has done to you? What is it that you find pleasure in taking something from this girl that can never be retrieved? And she represents thousands of human beings that this is happening to. True.

[00:15:37]Come on. And I was telling myself, I was like, "Okay, fine." We reached Monday cuz we heard another death on Monday. I said, "Okay, maybe Tuesday will pass and then there'll be [clears throat] nothing." Shocker room.

[00:15:45]Four. Another one. What is it?

[00:15:49]What is it?

[00:15:50]I'm not happy. Why is our soul less than Come on. Where is the value for human life?

[00:15:55]>> Yes. And then when you hear that people don't even mention it when people are killed. And we always say lives were lost. They were not lost. Lost is when I leave this cup in a taxi and then I whatever I can't find it. It was lost.

[00:16:05]Life was lost >> killed. Their lives were taken. This is not a joke.

[00:16:10]And then now we see people How do you Why are you taking life?

[00:16:13]You're robbing a child of her innocence and then you're snuffing the life out of her. For what? Some pleasure? What kind of deviant evil is this?

[00:16:23]>> [sighs] >> Yeah. Hapana.

[00:16:26]You know, I was talking to Mr. Gidai, yeah, the head of um head of uh camera unit here. Mhm. And he was telling me when he started when he joined the industry back in the days, a single death would shock the entire country.

[00:16:42]>> Bana. It would be a breaking news.

[00:16:43]>> Mhm. You get to two and nowadays he wonders how we're talking about 60 people killed in a day and it's normal business.

[00:16:53]Mhm. How did we get here?

[00:16:55]It's not good.

[00:16:57]I can't even Yeah. Mhm.

[00:17:02]>> [sighs] >> Let me just greet people really quickly as we get into it right now. Um but you're right, um Oliver Makamu Oliver.

[00:17:09]It's It's not funny. This one is tough.

[00:17:12]James Kamao says, "Honorable Wandayi, for the 9 million liters consumed every day in Kenya, EPRA collects uh 75 cents translating to 12 million a day.

[00:17:21]Thus, 360 million per month. What exactly does Epo do? This is a good question. Where does the money go? It's a very good question. And whether you want to say it's infantile in its its nature, I don't care. It's a question.

[00:17:33]And if you cannot answer it simply, then there's a problem.

[00:17:36]Mhm. When is the last time you saw regulatory regulatory authority audited accounts of where the money goes and where it goes to? Fund this, fund that.

[00:17:44]When you know all of them tries to smile in front of the camera. I know.

[00:17:48]Wanda, good morning Don Asato from Toronto. Have a bit of a sore throat, so go to bed shortly. Have a great Thursday. You know you need to knock the thing out with some ginger and lemon. We always talk about it, but it works.

[00:17:58]>> It works. Polisana Mama. Mhm. But get your rest also. It works. Uh a lot of fluids. Benson Kahindi says, "Good morning team Spice listening from Kilifi." Where we Kilifi?

[00:18:08]Vidze. Mhm. Mhm. Johnny Mambo. Rosana Ellie Emily says, "Good morning Sorry, Osana Emily says, "Good morning tuned in kama kawaida. Karibu sana." Uh Jennifer Tennis says, "Good morning my favorite team and Spice family. Good morning to you." Usama Kweli, "Good morning great team. As Kenyans sleep and churches and religious bodies focus on milking poor Kenyans through tithe, the EU USA um LGBTQ LGBTQ Oh.

[00:18:33]>> [laughter] >> Okay. NGOs have bribed corrupt justice Mwaati MwaMwe to rule gender switch at birth. Yeah, that's another thing we're going to be talking about that as well.

[00:18:47]Um Luimbo, "Good morning. Good morning.

[00:18:48]Always awakening our minds. Thank you so much." Yes, Hello Pondi. Asato delivered on his promise.

[00:18:55]Salam says Muchu Flani, "Good morning to you." Valentino Chino says, "Good morning team Kubwa, the most objective conversation in Kenya. Kudos. Kudos."

[00:19:03]Mark Mangi says, "Asato, thank you on behalf of Ndu.

[00:19:06]Um Asana.

[00:19:08]Young Jedi says, "Good morning Spice.

[00:19:09]Good morning to you." JD Ddot says, "Where did the glasses go? We love you still." They're in my bag. Should I put them back? Mhm. Let's do a poll.

[00:19:16]Naked eyes heat best.

[00:19:19]If you want to do a poll. [laughter] Glasses or no glasses?

[00:19:25]Dennis has already declared his stance.

[00:19:27]>> Yeah.

[00:19:28]Andrew Shiro says, "Good morning, Kenyans." Kenyans, my people. You celebrate Arsenal more than you do our Harambee Stars. Why? Disappointing.

[00:19:35]Okay. Isaac Ashuma says, "Good morning, Ind and Dennis from Gideon Gure." Good morning to you. Good morning, guys.

[00:19:40]"With due respect," says Mickey McAfee.

[00:19:43]"Call Sifuna again. We miss that man."

[00:19:45]Amal Alukwe Junior KDF People should be using commas and periods so that we know what we're saying. But, I get your point. Good morning, sir.

[00:19:53]Amutufalani, what else is watching Tenri Schools Embue elections? Who else, rather? Wakukadi, what about you? Those elections are so fun to watch because they are so organized. It's crazy.

[00:20:03]>> Yeah.

[00:20:05]Rashid says, "Good morning from Kisumu."

[00:20:06]David Mungare's tuning in and says, "Good morning, good people." Matthew says Tulish Tuliwashwa Tumeng'ara usiweke siasa kwa langu. Kabisa.

[00:20:17]Um Mark Mungai says, "Aseto, when you talk about 60 lives killed, get Mukumen and ask him if his family woke up to 60 gone. Why do we careless with this talk?" Hmm, good question.

[00:20:24]>> Good question. Hmm. And we're all looking good. Thank you so much, Sergy Germain.

[00:20:30]Lovely. Good morning, my neighbors.

[00:20:32]Gotea seto oya. Oya.

[00:20:34]Aya. Good morning, everybody. Karibu sana. We take a minute to say good morning to you because it matters that you're part of a conversation that matters. Sindeo? Let's take a break and look at what's going on with traffic, weather. We'll come back and look at the headlines. Don't go away.

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[00:21:04]All right. Uh mostly cloudy conditions in Nairobi at 15. We'll see a high of 24 and a low 14. It's partly sunny at 14 into Nakuru and it's a cloudy at 16 in Nyeri. Twenty and partly cloudy looking into Kisumu. While Kakamega is sunny at 16.

[00:21:19]Bit of cloud cover later. And it's mostly sunny at 24 into Mombasa with partly sunny conditions at 26 in Malindi.

[00:21:26]Marsabit sunny this morning already at 20. And looking into Kampala is partly cloudy at 20 while Dar es Salaam is sunny at 23. It's 6° and clear in Johannesburg. Mostly clear at 27 Lagos.

[00:21:36]It's 12° and cloudy into London. It's cloudy at 23 in Beijing and 21 and cloudy in New York.

[00:21:46]>> [music] [music] [music] >> Spice up your life.

[00:22:07]>> [music] >> Traffic.

[00:22:12]>> [music] >> All right, where are you this morning?

[00:22:15]And if you're coming off of Thika Superhighway, you already see that this traffic is starting to build up. It's been a different couple of days, but this is seems like everything is moving as it normally does. There's traffic. It's heavy coming off of Thika Superhighway and we're also seeing heightened levels of traffic on Kangundo Road this morning coming in from Jiro out towards Outer Ring. Outer Ring not too bad, but at the exit, or rather is it entry now or exit? Depending on where you're coming from. If you're coming from Mombasa Road heading in from Cabanas, there's traffic there out and inbound around Embakasi. And there's inbound traffic on Outer Ring this morning, so that's busy. Jogoo Road is busy getting into towards the city.

[00:22:47]Landhies Road is also going to take it quite a hit with traffic there. Southern Bypass >> to start your day.

[00:22:56]Mhm.

[00:22:58]Deputy in name is what's in the front page of The Standard, uh Kenya's bold newspaper. There's a picture of Deputy President Rigathi Gachagua I beg your pardon. I beg your pardon. Big Freudian slip. Deputy President Kithure Kindiki In the middle of a paralyzing fuel crisis, Deputy President Kithure Kindiki cut the image of a man watching events from the political sidelines rather than an acting head of state.

[00:23:21]>> [snorts] >> As President William Ruto traveled through Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, Kenya appeared to be running an on autopilot.

[00:23:28]While cabinet secretaries and even blogger Dennis Itumbi took charge of crisis meetings in Nairobi. Kindiki was expecting roads in Sirikanyif. Okay. The DP's glaring absence has now raised questions of whether he's being deliberately locked out of the center of power or whether he melted when the heat of national decision-making became too intense. We asked this question here yesterday.

[00:23:52]And we said, "Come on."

[00:23:53]There's a deputy president. Where was he when the president is out of the country? One would assume that you take up the role and then you, you know, keep the train moving. Yep. Silence is what we were met by. And so it's a question you say, "Should he not have taken control of some of these things that were happening?"

[00:24:10]And now that he had not, what does that exactly mean? So the question is being asked on the front page of the standard this morning.

[00:24:17]I don't know that you'll get an answer.

[00:24:19]Kazi ya king'ang'i.

[00:24:21]Just like deputy governors, what's their work?

[00:24:24]Unless it's delegated. If If at this point we we're looking at a government that delegated um allowed ministries to work, then one asks the question, "Kazi ya deputy president ni gani?" Ni gani?

[00:24:36]You know.

[00:24:37]They have to ask. Yeah.

[00:24:40]So, a court has been told on page two, this is the headline, "How 208 billion shillings health deal with the US harms Kenyans." Now you understand that there's a petition that was brought before the courts to stop this transference of data um for, you know, 208 billion shillings because it actually harms Kenyans rather than hurting them. Okay? So, that was the case that we all ran amok about. Um, so, it's in the courts right now. So, for now, that is held. Some of the things we're looking at. Key points in the disputed 208 billion shilling Kenya-US Health Corporation framework >> [snorts] >> from December 4th, 2025. And I We know that PS, um, um, Oluga was, you know, pushing this It's gone to the courts and the courts has been told this. So, there might be a hold on that till further notice.

[00:25:26]Kenyans' 446 million shilling win in cancer research. This is a fantastic thing. Yes. The money is great, but the strides that have been made in terms of what they've been able to find out is amazing. Professor George Jaroge of the the Kenyatta University Teaching Referral and Research Hospital um, has received the Greater Manchester Cancer War 2026 alongside a United Kingdom-led team by Professor Robert Bristow of the University of Manchester and the Christie NHS Foundation Trust.

[00:25:58]They've co-created through a co-created hub and spoke model, they combined community engagement, rapid pathology services, and a new genomic capacity to tackle a cancer often diagnosed too late, significantly improving chances of timely treatment. This is a fantastic thing. When you look at the possibilities that properly funded government-backed research can actually do, this is a an example of the same. I mean, you you talk about even, um, the research that has gone into stuff like malaria and what that has done in in in the country. Amazing stuff.

[00:26:34]What more can we do? Yeah. This particular cancer is esophageal cancer and that they were talking about in this. Um, it's it's it's, um, commonly referred to as cancer of the throat or food pipe.

[00:26:46]And, uh, the research was successful. They've been now be to get early detection because cancer is more treatable, less expensive to manage, or places a lower burden on society when identified as an early stage. So, I mean, a hearty congratulations to them. But, beyond that, looking at the rising levels of esophageal cancer, especially west of Nakuru in Kenya, if we're just talking about Kenya, not around the world cuz that's also an issue around the world.

[00:27:12]It has pushed numbers up until now.

[00:27:14]Esophageal cancer is the third most prevalent in Kenya after breast and cervic- cervical cancer. I think or fourth after prostate.

[00:27:25]Um but, it's it's up there. It's It's in the top five.

[00:27:28]Um so, I mean, congratulations to to them. And we just hope that more opportunities for this because it's the big C is not fun.

[00:27:35]Not at all. All right, looking at some of the headlines. Kindiki's absence during fuel crisis raises questions of his leadership. Missing schoolgirl found murdered in Nakuru. That's it.

[00:27:45]The family This is another one. Yeah.

[00:27:47]This is another one from the one that I was telling you guys >> Yes. earlier.

[00:27:51]The family of a grade six student aged 12 is in shock after the girl was defiled and murdered Monday evening in Larry area and Juja sub-county Nakuru county.

[00:28:02]This one was found hidden in a maze plantation within Larry area.

[00:28:07]She had allegedly also been raped before she was killed.

[00:28:12]Mhm?

[00:28:14]The shocking incident left the body of Mercy Nyambura with multiple head injuries. I'm going to say it.

[00:28:20]Her left eye sever- Her left eye severed and neck bruised.

[00:28:26]With local authorities believing she was strangled and tortured.

[00:28:30]According to Mwangi Kihara, who is the area chief, Nyambura's body was found Tuesday afternoon hidden in a maze plantation within the area after a long search by villagers.

[00:28:44]Mhm?

[00:28:46]I don't know, man. Is that one I told you was 10.

[00:28:49]A grade 10. This one is grade six.

[00:28:51]>> Grade six.

[00:28:53]She is she is one was 12 years old.

[00:28:55]Okay?

[00:28:56]That is what I'm talking about.

[00:28:59]>> [sighs] >> The story that gives rise to our conversation for our justice Thursday conversation today.

[00:29:05]High court grants teenagers green light to engage in conceptual sex. Consensual sex.

[00:29:12]Teenagers, okay? So teenager is between the age of 13 and 19, okay? Yeah. And our high high court has said Yeah.

[00:29:24]If they agree. Yeah, what to do? ODPP, please look at how you will fix how you look at these things. Mhm, yeah.

[00:29:32]I don't know if you guys if they heard what I said.

[00:29:35]High court grants teenagers green light to engage in consensual sex. So, my question is Mhm. 19-year-old and a 13-year-old.

[00:29:50]What do you call that?

[00:29:52]Cuz a 19-year-old under the law is an adult. Yes.

[00:29:57]But according to the ruling it's a teenage.

[00:30:04]We are going to get into this story and we'll talk about it later and I can I can I know I hear you already. I can hear you shouting in your heart. What?

[00:30:13]Yes. Yes, that's that's it. Yeah. Mhm.

[00:30:17]For I'm thinking about my soon-to-be 13-year-old and I'm like uh Who's who who what? Yeah. Who consenting what when you don't even know wash your plate properly. I take you to do it three times. What are you consenting? Are you crazy?

[00:30:32]Judges split on age of consent and punishment. This is another story that lends into our conversation. Hey, our producer is on fire because what? She even prepares the things before it makes the news. I know. She's like a witch.

[00:30:47]How transporters strike demos through more fueled ethnic flames, unfortunately.

[00:30:52]Yeah. Um Oregano offers Gachagua and Kuria a new battle ring. So, let's go.

[00:30:57]Let's duke it out, boys, because it looks like you're going to be able to be able to do that. Can you always be still doing annual general meetings?

[00:31:04]Okay, that's great. And then looking to the um um opinion pages, address silent mental health epidemic amongst the clergy.

[00:31:14]Address it everywhere because there's a problem. The same mental health issues we're talking about amongst the clergy who, by the way, this is not a hidden story that we have members of the clergy who are engaging in sexual relations with male pastors.

[00:31:27]Do you understand what I've said? Male members of the clergy engaging in sexual relations with male pastors in the church, no less. It's the same mental health issues that's disturbing these people who go on rape a 12-year-old 12-year-old girl and throw her in a maize plantation after killing her. Same thing. There's a problem everywhere.

[00:31:47]Cut. I don't my I'm just cut. These things it's just hard for me sometimes to just look at them over and over again. Get yourself a copy of the Standard. The Standard e-paper also subscribe to that.

[00:31:58]So, Daily Nation, fuel and our demands, that is the headline. So, the 7-day countdown is on, but state officials are awaiting President Ruto's return to start key talks. So, the talks have not yet started. We're waiting for the president to land. Bwana, Tuesday Today is Thursday. They have Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. When the president touching down? Sijui. Okay.

[00:32:23]Cool.

[00:32:24]So, if they give us the whole 46, we will be okay and the strike will be called off. For now, it is suspended.

[00:32:30]That's according to Mr. Karakacha. And they want the pumps to be reduced uh even though the state announced 10 shillings price cut for diesel on Monday, public transport sector operators say this is not enough and seek further drops.

[00:32:45]Now, um the the leaders of matatus want to to disband EPRA. EPRA disbanded leaders of key groups want President William Ruto to scrap the Energy Petroleum Regulatory Authority and liberalize oil and energy sector. So, they just want the market forces to just work. You know? And they want the matatu op- operators. Uh matatu operators have asked authorities to clamp down on the sanctioned collection of bribes by police officers on roads across the country.

[00:33:13]This right here, right?

[00:33:16]I think the matatu operators should tell their members to stop bribing police officers so that they can flout traffic rules.

[00:33:27]Because the most notorious individuals on the roads today are matatu operators.

[00:33:31]And I'm going to say that with so much conviction. Because tell me why today in the morning on my way to work, someone has just parked at a junction and blocked another matatu. Two lanes gone simply because they're looking for passengers who some have not even left their houses.

[00:33:51]So, in this instant, who should you address? Address your members first.

[00:33:55]You know?

[00:34:00]Better yet, come up with an app. Let us pay these things digitally.

[00:34:04]Your matatus not to have hard hard hard earned money.

[00:34:08]Like that.

[00:34:10]There's a way to deal with these things.

[00:34:12]Yes, and we know how to do it. We had a 1963 card. I I I got it through Dennis Itumbi in Uhuru Kenyatta's government. I have it. 1963 card. Ilienda wapi?

[00:34:22]We should ask that that's an that's another elephant because the government invested in that. They printed cards, gave to Kenyans. We loaded money into that. How much money just disappeared like that? Yeah. Auditor General, Nancy Kakungu, another area to look into.

[00:34:34]>> into.

[00:34:36]The ones we lost, rights groups say 12 killed in protest. So, we have Prudence Imali, 20-year-old who was shot dead in Marurui, and Derrick Masha 22 who was shot at Maraba in Kakamega. Joseph Kariuki Bushe who was shot dead at Giturai 44. Those are just about a few who who unfortunately were killed. Their lives were taken during the protest. Now, why petition is want Aden out of top carrier job. The litigants in the two separate petitions argue that former cabinet secretary Aden Mohammed is beyond the mandatory public service retirement age of 60 because he's 62, rendering his 3-year appointment as Kenya Revenue Authority Commissioner General unconstitutional, illegal, and void. No. Hm? Retirement age is 60.

[00:35:24]The gentleman is 62. According to the law, he's above age.

[00:35:29]Then I understand it. You see, we are not experts, but we can figure it out, huh? But logic.

[00:35:33]>> You can just say 60 60 is the age for retirement. This one is 62. Half I You don't call it. You know? You don't even need to go to court. And you're not even experts.

[00:35:43]>> I tell you. Now, imagine if you were experts.

[00:35:45]>> Yeah.

[00:35:46]Imagine. We'd solve the world. World peace, fuel prices, state of almost if we were experts, we'd have sorted out this thing by now.

[00:35:54]>> The constitution and the rule of law in this country is a suggestion.

[00:35:59]To a minority.

[00:36:01]My I repeat, a minority in this country.

[00:36:05]Arsenal fans in a frenzy after title drought ends.

[00:36:09]Okay.

[00:36:10]>> [snorts] >> I think you should get to me. I know you just move very swiftly.

[00:36:13]>> [laughter] >> Swiftly. We don't need to repeat it.

[00:36:16]TSC's 2.2 billion shillings budget hole set to hit teachers in acting roles hard. The commission says money needed to cover allowances for teachers in acting capacities has not been factored in the 2026 2027 budget.

[00:36:31]>> Okay.

[00:36:32]>> [laughter] >> So, is it 100,000 teachers have had 100,000? It's very possible that in in the next 6 months you will not have them because I could not pass a coin move them from intern teachers at least 44,000 of them from intern teachers to PMP >> to PMP. According to promises that have been given.

[00:36:51]Now I could not pass a Now when >> to say in 6 months, my friend, in the next [clears throat] like 30 days Since you because budget in budget in there, yeah. Okay. So now, you would think you would think >> Yes. those those guys Yeah.

[00:37:05]that since they knew that 100,000 teachers had been hired to keep the number at 100,000 and not at 100 minus 44 is what? 60 Okay, 56 56 56.

[00:37:17]You would think that to keep it there that you would not put money into the budget to ensure that you could keep them hired so that you can keep telling people we've hired 100,000.

[00:37:29]Let me tell you in due But now if you didn't put the money in the thing Yeah.

[00:37:33]Let me tell [snorts] you in due.

[00:37:35]See, all that we see is optics.

[00:37:38]Right? We have 100,000, you know? But we are also in the very same industry in the same sector where a cabinet secretary would tell you that we do not know how much it costs to educate a single child from ECDE all the way to tertiary. Do you think even as we talk about these budgets because remember every department gives their budget requests to to to treasury, right? So that all these things could be factored in. So if they did not factor this or this was thrown out tell me where education is a priority to them.

[00:38:12]Priority on education in where we and the two are going to be in the school.

[00:38:17]The government image to her. Let me you and me say more.

[00:38:22]Now can use acting VC images of candidate in dress to hire of as it is new boss. So they're looking for what it is new boss and acting VC as a match the top so perhaps he's going to get the position.

[00:38:34]Okay. Banter economic collapses after EPL win. Okay, so was our union number of football.

[00:38:40]Now the ones we lost in deadly nationwide fuel prices. So that is the numbers of those who um who got killed during the protest and in page six the mother of Michelle will be uh talking to a little bit later Mr. Count with due respect. I wasn't disrespectful to see S's. I hate lies. Mhm. That's what he says. Okay. Yeah, me me me truthful man.

[00:39:02]Another truthful man. Another truthful man. I wasn't disrespectful. I just stood on business. And I'm like, you know what? If ilibidi ilibidi bled to death blood crisis killing mothers.

[00:39:14]Many expectant uh women in Kenya are losing their lives needlessly due to excessive bleeding. Now Clinton on the Ambu who is 30 years old has become a widower. Before his cruel twist of fate, he had accompanied his pregnant wife Mary who's 22 to uh all her antenatal appointments. On May 10th, 2026, it was not different. He took her to hospital when she began vomiting. So these are things that on this show we've just discovered we've just found out can be controlled if we just invest into the health sector especially when it comes to pregnant women in the country. Indeed.

[00:39:51]What?

[00:39:52]>> [sighs] >> You know? So here we're talking about those who are killed in the protest.

[00:39:55]We're talking about um uh children who are being raped and murdered. Then here we you walk into a hospital. You go through the processes as written down to help your significant other get the best but then they die on the hospital bed.

[00:40:09]Why? Because we've not invested into We were told that thing is cost 200 shillings.

[00:40:15]Yeah. Yeah.

[00:40:17]Kenya my country.

[00:40:21]Let me look quickly at the headlines of the start because I want to come and share this story. Um in the standard.

[00:40:27]So, unity test for opposition as Rigathi flexes Mount Kenya might. Okay.

[00:40:31]Um Omole, who is the PS national administration uh sorry, interior PS. I beg your pardon. He says the government is reforming the police service. The ones shooting people.

[00:40:42]>> Yeah, do that with that information as you may. I'm just going to leave it at that. It says headline. Okay. So, he's going to tell us how that's happening.

[00:40:48]Sawa.

[00:40:49]Um Magistrate jail on why marriages are falling apart and how to save them. Oh, okay. I think you need to write a book.

[00:40:56]Actually, no. I think you need to put it in a bottle and sell it for people to drink because the rate at which these things are falling apart, crazy.

[00:41:06]Um president's new Mr. Fix-It. How Sakaja helped broker the fuel deal.

[00:41:10]Knock me over with a feather. Okay, [snorts] fine. Apparently, he came in and you know, he did the do. Can you imagine? Just imagine. If he's the Mr. Fix-It.

[00:41:20]Uh do you know where I'm going with this? Yes.

[00:41:22]>> [laughter] >> If you fixed that thing very and he's my friend. Yeah. He's my friend. Doctor uh to doctor. Governor Sakaja. Yeah. He's my friend.

[00:41:34]But you fixed the thing. Sebastain, then you fixed Nairobi. Ama?

[00:41:38]Wallahi. Ama? Wallahi.

[00:41:41]How about 80 billion shillings? But he told me in the news.

[00:41:45]Invested in that chapati machine. Yeah.

[00:41:46]Before you people went and did 80 billion for fixing lights. Chapati machine. You people said that you're going to bring chapati machine that will be making A million. 1 million chapati.

[00:41:53]So, that we wake up in the morning and we say chapati, it's here. We wake up in the night, we say chapati, it's here.

[00:41:58]You people owe us a chapati machine.

[00:41:59]This time we're taking it very seriously. Wacha kucheza na chakula.

[00:42:03]Yeah. Up eat kwanza chapati. Mhm? 1 million chapati a day. Abi?

[00:42:08]Abi?

[00:42:08]>> 1 million a day chapati. You You say things like that and then you just let it go.

[00:42:13]This Nairobi that in our work with 80 billion when are they starting, sorry?

[00:42:19]I don't know. Okay, I'm just asking. You know, as we were told there's 80 billion shillings that has been released to change the face of Nairobi. Yeah, and we were told there were key sectors, lighting, garbage collection, I don't know what.

[00:42:30]>> Me in my area, I'm sorry, but garbage garbage collection same story.

[00:42:35]But this isn't their date I was going to say Reverend Musalia Mudavadi. Uh-huh. CS Musalia Mudavadi was the one is the one heading this.

[00:42:44]They've been meeting having meetings at Bomas of Kenya.

[00:42:47]See, so that's what the start looks like before you even get a chance to get angry. If he brokered the deal, if it's Mr. Fix It, clearly you can't fix Nairobi. That's what I'm saying now.

[00:42:58]If you're Mr. Fix It, you would be fixing things. I'm just saying. It sounds like I'm making jokes on a Thursday morning, but come on. We can see your hand. If you say that this thing was brokered and it actually worked cost about fix the city. That's just me saying.

[00:43:13]But I think most of the time we we we really go hard on on on sacks. Uh? But I also ask the question where are the MCAs?

[00:43:22]I told you that it's Thursday.

[00:43:25]Who's your MCA? Bila, his name is Paul Ndu Paul Let's do good Paul. Paul I can't pronounce the last name, but I know my MCA. That MCA Mwanadu And though I don't vote here, I don't vote in Kenya.

[00:43:47]Now, let me tell you this story in the standard because it is important. I don't I think it flew over our heads, okay?

[00:43:53]The justice is Justice Bahati Mwamuye.

[00:43:56]Mhm. The High Court has granted teenagers a green light to engage in conceptual consensual sex.

[00:44:05]Your under 18 son or daughter may now have sex without the fear of being automatically dragged to court for defilement so long as the boy and the girl are of close age proximity and consenting.

[00:44:18]Now, remember that these are children. Most times they don't know their nose from their elbow.

[00:44:24]I know because I have them.

[00:44:27]In a groundbreaking judgement that redefines how Kenya treats adolescent sexuality, the High Court has ruled that consensual sexual relations between minors of close age who are not exploiting or coercing each other should no longer attract automatic defilement charges.

[00:44:46]Now, I understand that. I crazy as the thing I said before, this I understand that it there's a time where it can be consensual so that you should not now say the boy should or because in this case most times it's the boy except for a few cases where we heard I know that there's a woman right now who is um I think she's sitting a sentence she's serving a sentence for having defiled uh he was 17 at the time but according to her he looked like a man anyway.

[00:45:16]So, it happens across board but usually the boys then and this is where now previously Justice Odunga with the Romeo and Juliet case had said we should reduce that minimum sentence that we're talking about because the minimum sentence for defilement in Kenya is 10 years. 10 years, yeah. We'll talk about things above that later.

[00:45:32]But he said 10 years. Now, in those Now, what what we are saying here is that these two teenagers at some point they when I say manga they love each other.

[00:45:43]It's a lie, they don't know what that is.

[00:45:45]But they have they like each other somehow and they engaged in sexual activity that you should not punish them for that because they are closer in age and nobody forced anybody to do anything, you understand? Now, he's saying in that case, let us remove this defilement criminal charge from them.

[00:46:06]Allow them to do what they want to do so long as it is consensual. Mhm. The orders that the teens were seeking, a declaration that the arrest, prosecution, and detention of the adolescents of the Sexual Offenses Act number three of 2006 for engaging in consensual, non-coercive, non-exploitative sexual relations violates the constitution. Remove that.

[00:46:30]An order of certiorari calling into court and quashing the charge sheets against the teens who had been charged previously.

[00:46:39]A declaration that the blanket criminalization of mutually consensual, non-coercive, and non-exploitative sexual relations between adolescents is unconstitutional. It goes on and on, but we'll be visiting some of those things as we talk Justice Thursday at 8:00.

[00:46:56]It's big. Let's talk about it. For now, 7:00 a.m. Yes.

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