Christian Woman DEFENDS Hell — New Age Woman PUSHES BACK Hard

Added: 2026-05-31

[00:00:00]But, my heaven, what may be heaven for me may be different from you. I feel like we deduce God down to Like, his concept is so greater than what we're thinking. Hey, everyone.

[00:00:11]Welcome back to the channel. So good to have you here today.

[00:00:15]In this video, we're stepping into something that gets people heated every single time it comes up.

[00:00:21]A real conversation between a Christian woman defending the literal existence of a fiery hell and a new age woman who completely tears that framework apart.

[00:00:32]The interviewer doesn't sit on the sidelines, either. He jumps in with one of the sharpest philosophical questions you'll hear about a maximally loving God allowing eternal punishment. The exchange gets uncomfortable, it gets revealing, and somebody walks away with their worldview seriously shaken. Stick around all the way to the finish because the closing argument is genuinely one of the cleanest takedowns I've reacted to in a while, and I really don't want you to miss the moment it lands.

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[00:01:14]Okay, so if God is capable of interjecting and imbuing us with these abilities to achieve this maximally happy state and joyful state, why couldn't if they're if the being is all loving also just kind of put a little bit of nudging us forward to knowing how to actually open and be a you know, open to the gates of heaven. Like, why why can't it be like you have to you have to know how to actually get to heaven? If if if it's going to alter our being to that to that state, why not a little bit more altering?

[00:01:42]>> What if this is a nudge now? What if this conversation is a nudge? So, for you for you to say like, "Why isn't he doing it?" How do you know that he's not doing that? How do you know that every moment of the day he's not basically saying, "Hey, it's me. I created this. I love you. Please come into relationship with me. Stop being your own God. You're not a little God. Come to me. I'm the only God. How do you know he's not doing that all hours of the day? I believe that we're in hell and I think that if it gets worse then I refuse to accept that. And if I just so happen to be wrong and after I pass away, I don't think it'll matter then. I guess I'll just have to accept that I'm in hell or heaven or whatever. I believe that we can make I think that there's a we can make our heaven right now as well. As well as we can create our hell or we could um you know exist in hell because it's a perception of reality, our perception of our reality.

[00:02:38]Okay, so I would say that perception is not reality. It's the perceiver's reality. So just because I perceive that this room is a white room, that doesn't mean it's the reality of the room. There are things outside of our perception that actually do exist and you stated for example you believe that you are in hell and we're all in hell and you put us in a hell that I personally am not in because I'm currently not in hell right now. I have a I [clears throat] just said that. I said it's our it's the perception of your reality. You don't believe you're in hell.

[00:03:10]But I do. You know what I'm saying?

[00:03:11]>> No, you said two things. You said that we are in hell right now and if it gets any worse, you won't accept it, you'll reject it and then you also said perception is reality and I'm saying that perception is not reality.

[00:03:22]Perception is the perceiver's reality.

[00:03:24]There's a difference.

[00:03:25]>> I said it wrong. Sorry. I meant to say you know, our reality like it's all about how people interpret the reality.

[00:03:32]Basically is what I'm saying. Okay, and so I disagree. Let me give you an extreme example. For example, if we're in hell or hell is dependent on our interpretation of the facts, then someone who is a sociopath that enjoys murdering and killing, they get privilege and joy out of doing this, but they're also a sociopath meaning they cannot feel any remorse for that. Would you say that that person is in heaven because of their perception is that this is joyful and blissful and they love it and they don't feel any remorse? Is that person by definition in heaven? Yes, to their definition. That's a horrible heaven. Like that's that that and that that's >> And that Okay, well, I don't know what to say to that, to be honest with you.

[00:04:12]This right here is where the entire dogmatic framework starts cracking and you can see it happening in real time.

[00:04:19]The interviewer drops what is honestly one of the most underrated questions you can ask any believer in eternal hell.

[00:04:28]He basically said this, if God can fundamentally rewire a human being to make them compatible with paradise, then why doesn't God give people a tiny nudge so they can actually find the path?

[00:04:42]That is a devastating question because it exposes the entire setup as rigged.

[00:04:48]You're being asked to pass a test, but the answer key is hidden, the rules keep changing, and the punishment for failing is infinite torture.

[00:04:59]Make that make sense.

[00:05:00]And what does the Christian woman say back?

[00:05:03]She says, "What if this is a nudge now? What if this conversation is a nudge?"

[00:05:08]You have to understand how much of a deflection that actually is. That is not an answer. That is a vibes-based dodge dressed up as humility because if every casual conversation counts as God personally intervening, then by that same logic, every atheist documentary, every philosophy book, every new age podcast is also a nudge. You can't have it both ways. Now, here's where I will be fair. The new age woman walked into a trap with the sociopath example.

[00:05:41]When you say perception is reality, you have to be ready for the obvious counter, which is, "Well, what about a person whose perception is that hurting people feels blissful?

[00:05:52]And she got caught flat-footed. That's a learning moment. If you're going to argue for subjective spiritual reality, you need a framework that can handle the dark edges of it.

[00:06:03]Otherwise, you sound like you're saying anything goes.

[00:06:07]But here's what people don't realize.

[00:06:09]The Christian woman didn't actually win that exchange.

[00:06:13]She just exploited a weak phrasing.

[00:06:17]The deeper point the New Age woman was reaching for that hell and heaven are states we generate through consciousness and connection. That point is still standing. It just needed cleaner language.

[00:06:29]I think this black and white viewpoint of heaven and hell is like a fear-mongering tactic.

[00:06:37]Like control tactic by whoever's want to control. But I'm I think heaven and hell is like a degree to it. There's a glimpse of heaven I can experience on this earth right now.

[00:06:48]Whether that's being with my family, whether that's praying, whether whatever that is. And same thing with hell.

[00:06:53]There's a degree of hell I can experience right now. It's the mind.

[00:06:57]It's your experience. Everything is in the mind. All of this is just a projection of what our mind is seeing.

[00:07:03]So, I don't think it's a literal place.

[00:07:06]People can be in heaven right now.

[00:07:08]Whatever they're experiencing whether it's with God, whether it's with friends or family, whatever they're experiencing.

[00:07:13]Some things are just so blissful.

[00:07:15]There's no other way to explain it. And some things are just so bad, there's no other way to explain it. But my heaven what may be heaven for me may be different from you. I feel like we deduce God down to like his concept is so greater than what we're thinking. To think it's just one way of something or one way, that's reducing him down. Him or her, whatever you even that is reducing him down.

[00:07:40]It's source, whatever. It's deducing it down to our understanding to make it make sense to us, but it's I don't believe it's a place at all. I don't think there's a longitude latitude of a fiery burning place. And if that's the case, why nobody didn't go visit yet? Like, why we not Like, what's going on? Why why aren't there YouTube videos of what it look like? Like, stuff like that. Like, I feel like if it was a literal place, human would go beyond the Earth to try to find that literal place by now. With your beliefs, why do you truly believe there's heaven and hell? What do you believe that you are going to heaven as a Christian woman? Like, what makes you Like, believe that 110% that you're going to the pearly gates?

[00:08:25]Like, >> So, to your questions, yes and yes.

[00:08:28]Yes, I believe that there is a literal place called heaven, a literal place called hell.

[00:08:34]The One of the reasons I'm not going to say the reason, but one of the reasons I believe that because it's in line with what I know about God to be just. The reason that we as humans care about justice, at least on my view, is because we're created in the image of a God who is perfectly just.

[00:08:48]By definition, if I say that I love children and I esteem and respect children, I would have to exclude the things that threaten children, which means I would actually have to hate bullies and pedophiles and whatever the case may be because they threaten the children. And so, if I'm a judge and I'm a good judge, then I'm going to do certain things to separate those threats to the children. And so, when I think about the concept of heaven and hell, I think about first the fact that God is a just judge. Okay, this is the moment.

[00:09:19]This is the part that blows my mind every single time I rewatch it.

[00:09:24]The new age woman finally collects herself and drops the line that the entire conversation needed.

[00:09:30]She called the binary heaven and hell framework a fear-mongering tactic, a control tactic. And she is right, and historically she is right in a way most people don't even know. Let me educate you on something.

[00:09:46]The graphic, fiery, eternal torture version of hell that most people picture today, with the demons and the pits and the screaming, that imagery was not central to early scriptural tradition.

[00:10:02]A lot of it comes from medieval art, from Dante's Inferno written in the 14th century, and from centuries of church authorities using fear of damnation to keep populations obedient, to fund cathedrals, to sell indulgences. That is documented history.

[00:10:19]The fear of hell business model literally built empires. So when she says it's a control tactic, she is not making it up. She is naming something real. And then she lands the cleanest, most underrated line of the entire debate. She said this, "My heaven, what may be heaven for me may be different from you. I feel like we deduce God down to like his concept is so greater than what we're thinking."

[00:10:49]And then she follows it up with a kill shot.

[00:10:53]She asked why nobody didn't go visit yet. Why aren't there YouTube videos of what it looked like?

[00:10:59]Now I know some of you are laughing because of how she phrased it, but pause for a second. That is actually a serious epistemological question.

[00:11:09]If hell is a literal location with coordinates, where is it? Why has no instrument detected it? Why has no expedition mapped it?

[00:11:18]The Christian view requires hell to be both real enough to terrify you and conveniently invisible to every form of verification. And the Christian's response?

[00:11:31]She doubles down.

[00:11:32]She said this, "I believe that that is a literal place called heaven, a literal place called hell."

[00:11:41]No evidence offered, just the assertion.

[00:11:44]And then she pivots to the justice argument, which sounds strong on the surface.

[00:11:50]But watch what happens next.

[00:11:52]Meaning if there is no judge above us and that life is just whatever we make it, then I can literally, if I decided to walk up to you and punch you in the face, I can go out and and I can do whatever I want because I'm my own God.

[00:12:06]And at the end of the day, who cares?

[00:12:07]There's no ultimate consequence. It's nothing. It's just me doing what I want to do. So justice, the fact that justice isn't an attribute associated with God's character, it shows me that the murder as again, I'm a I'm a I have a criminal background, so I understand that there's many crimes there's there's crimes that we had in our office that we know without a doubt was murder, but we didn't have all of the evidence to prove it, so we had to dismiss it. Does that murderer go free? No. Uh in maybe here, but in the unless he repents and genuinely comes into right standing with God, then he is going to actually face a justice. He's going to face judgment.

[00:12:41]And that's a good thing. And in regards to heaven, I believe that heaven is an open invitation for anyone that wants to go there. It's not God's desire to be separated from us, but he respects our free will. And so if we didn't want him here, as Mike Jones would say, back then didn't want me now I'm hot, they all on me. And that's essentially what heaven is to me. So I do believe it's a real place and to answer your second question, I believe that I'm going to heaven not because I think I'm a good person. I know I'm not a good person and that's why I seek a savior. I know your eyes got big on that because the world tells us, oh we're good, we're good, we're good. Good is an absolute statement. Good is By definition, good is it's it's not a mixed bag. It's not like I'm somewhat good. I'm You're good or you're not. And the point that I'm making is that I can do good things, but I am not good. Just like I would say if I am sick, if I acknowledge that I'm sick in my body, it predicates me seeking a doctor to get me help. And because I acknowledge that I am not good, I seek the one that can make me good. And in turn, that relationship allows us to have a heavenly relationship with all the all of eternity. So, that's why I know that I'm going to heaven.

[00:13:49]Okay, I'll just end it with this. And also, like what are we meaning by a literal place? Cuz I believe there's different dimensions. Like if you say, "Okay, hell is a dimension, heaven is a dimension." That's the literal place.

[00:14:00]Okay, I can get on board with that.

[00:14:03]But to say just like it's a literal place like an address or something, I don't understand that. Like I'm still getting confused of what you mean by a literal place. I guess it's hard for me to believe that a maximally perfect, maximally loving God would create a realm in such a way that it's sort of like if you had a a child and you were holding their hand and they wanted to cross the street, but you knew it could hurt them. Wouldn't the loving individual want to hold their child's hand even though the child is protesting? Like like God, if God is maximally loving, God is not going to let you run out to the street even if you don't have the answers. Like because it could harm you. And I just think this this idea that a God will just punish you to eat not just like a a small frame of time of suffering, but eternal eternal suffering um for for denying its existence is it just I don't know. It just doesn't make sense to me at all. Here's what people don't realize about the justice argument. The Christian woman essentially said that without God as a judge, she could just walk up and punch someone in the face because there'd be no ultimate consequence. Let me break down why this matters. That is one of the weakest arguments for religion. And it's also kind of insulting because what it's really saying is the only thing keeping me from being a horrible person is the threat of cosmic punishment. Most secular humans, most atheists, most spiritual but non-religious people, they don't harm others because they have empathy, because they value other consciousness, because they understand cause and effect. Not because some giant judge is keeping score.

[00:15:38]Civilizations had functioning ethics long before the modern Christian framework even existed.

[00:15:47]And then she said the line that I think summed up the whole world view. She said, "I'm going to heaven not because I think I'm a good person. I know I'm not a good person." Stop and think about that. The entire belief system is built on convincing you that you are fundamentally broken and unworthy, and the only fix is buying into a specific spiritual transaction.

[00:16:12]That is not love.

[00:16:14]That is a sales pitch with eternal stakes attached.

[00:16:17]Then the new age woman comes back and asks the question the Christian could not answer.

[00:16:23]She said, "What do we mean by a literal place? I believe there's different dimensions."

[00:16:28]She offered an actual modern framework, dimensional reality, and the Christian had no response to that. Just confusion.

[00:16:38]But the closing argument, oh man, the interviewer brought it home with the loving parent analogy.

[00:16:45]He said, "If you had a child who wanted to run into the street, a maximally loving being would hold that child's hand even if the child protested." He destroyed the entire free will defense in one sentence, because every loving parent overrides their child's bad choices to prevent harm. That is what love does. So, the idea that a maximally loving God would respect your free will so much that he lets you suffer for eternity, that doesn't sound like love.

[00:17:16]That sounds like abandonment dressed up in theological language. So, what do you guys think of this?

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