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[00:00:00]You had the motivation to kill Mr. Henry Katang for money for property objection.

[00:00:17]I think my Lord when our colleague claims to have instructions as a prostitute his instructions are contained in a police file which you have asked for and there was no instruction from any witness. If he has instructions now and he brings it up he must disclose the source of those instructions or who the instructor is. If he does not then that isation and what do you mean by I'm most of my lord because it wasn't my lord for your intervention I was blindly ask my brother to state the legal basis for his objection I represent the republic of Uganda is a defenseing that I cannot be instructed.

[00:01:16]I am instructed by the Republic of that you had the motivation to kill your late husband for property.

[00:01:35]And I was saying that you had already given this court your position but if you may can still repeat your response to my instructions for property. Which property?

[00:01:57]First of all, I did not kill my husband.

[00:02:00]So, which property did I kill him for?

[00:02:03]And why?

[00:02:05]You have an argument in this court as an exhibit.

[00:02:13]political matter has been turned into a criminal matter.

[00:02:21]I'm regretting why I fought for women to be free.

[00:02:56]Please send people who have competence.

[00:02:58]You can experiment on other things.

[00:03:03]bus.

[00:03:11]Come here.

[00:03:22]Morning, Madame Katanga.

[00:03:49]I'm going to just run through a few areas remaining and we'll end it at that. But just to remind you that you previously confirmed this court that both you and your husband operated companies that is Manda Limited and uh Max You had also confirmed that this company called M owned at least three bank accounts that is a euro account, the USD account and UGX account. You remember confirming that?

[00:04:42]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:04:44]You also told this court that at the time of opening these bank accounts >> the banker required two signaries that is both you and your dead husband.

[00:05:03]>> Yes.

[00:05:09]>> But you had also informed the court that uh you have since withdrawing almost all the money for the reasons you >> Yes.

[00:05:24]So I just want this morning for you to confirm that at the time of opening those different bank accounts you filed resolutions account opening resolutions. You remember that when you open the bank account. The bank assets the company filed a resolution uh authorizing the opening of the account also as you provided copies of your identification.

[00:06:17]I know I'm going So we are going to confirm.

[00:06:56]We are going to confirm these things that you have confirmed.

[00:07:05]I'm first handing you the your bank documents for March.

[00:07:15]I want you to look at the resolution that you filed and the rest of the company documents including the national IDs that you provided, your specimen signature card, the company memorandum and that company company 419 a certificate and a statement bank statement corresponding with the this particular account I'm beginning with the euro account that euro ma'am I want you to look at it quickly >> I So that she has time.

[00:09:28]Sorry, I I was asking you uh who are the two directors and secrets and >> and is you?

[00:09:38]>> Yes, please.

[00:09:44]>> Go to the next judgment.

[00:09:48]You are able to confirm your both your photographs as account holders. Yes, please.

[00:09:59]>> You find them?

[00:10:00]>> Yes.

[00:10:02]>> And you are also able to confirm the specimen signature card that both of you signed.

[00:10:08]>> Yes, please.

[00:10:09]>> When did you sign it?

[00:10:32]want you to go to the company documents.

[00:10:36]You confirm the same company documents that you used to open the other two accounts.

[00:10:46]Company documents for Uganda memorandum and art of assession.

[00:11:09]>> Yes, please.

[00:11:12]>> The reason I insist you use the microphone.

[00:11:14]>> Yes, please.

[00:11:15]>> Because our record is transcribed.

[00:11:19]We don't want your answers.

[00:11:25]You can leave the rest and go to where you see the bank.

[00:11:47]You confirm this statement is in the name of March Limited.

[00:11:55]>> Yes, please.

[00:11:58]>> Which bank and branch?

[00:12:01]>> The branch branch.

[00:12:03]>> The bank.

[00:12:07]>> This is Stan. Nasero branch.

[00:12:11]What account number?

[00:12:21]9 03 >> 0 0 5 6 27 >> 1 7 >> 5 >> 5 You may put that aside as well. And I'm going to the last Last statement, last batch of documents.

[00:12:56]This one is um in respect of your second company, Max Logistics Uganda Limited. Look at the documents.

[00:13:20]You confirmed quotes that that is the company resolution that you filed with the bank while opening this account for Max Limited. Max Logistics Limited.

[00:13:38]>> Yes.

[00:13:41]When is it?

[00:13:43]>> 14th April.

[00:14:00]No, by dating I refer where you it is written dated at campala east- dash.

[00:14:10]Not the date when you made your resolution.

[00:14:14]>> Thank you.

[00:14:17]>> Who are the two directors and senators?

[00:14:21]>> Katanga Henry and Monica.

[00:14:35]beneficial owners form. Who are the two beneficial owners of this >> account? Katanga Henry and Katanga.

[00:14:51]>> When is that beneficial owner's form dated?

[00:15:00]>> September 2023.

[00:15:10]Do you see the specimen signature card?

[00:15:14]>> Yes, please.

[00:15:14]>> Confirm this is the card that both you and your late husband signed at the time of opening this account.

[00:15:23]>> Yes, please.

[00:15:27]>> Please tell the date.

[00:15:29]>> 23rd April 09.

[00:15:42]you recognize your photographs that you filed with the bank?

[00:15:49]>> Yes, please.

[00:15:57]Go to the memorandum and articles that you filed.

[00:16:06]Confirm these are the memorandum and articles for Max Logistics Uganda Limited that you filed with the bank when opening this bank account.

[00:16:19]>> Yes.

[00:16:33]Go up to the tail end where the back statement is.

[00:16:50]At which bank did you open the account?

[00:17:06]>> Account name.

[00:17:09]>> She's reading from the statement.

[00:17:12]>> Yes. Account name.

[00:17:18]>> Name.

[00:17:19]>> Account name.

[00:17:20]>> Yes.

[00:17:20]>> Max Logistics.

[00:17:24]>> Account number 903 0 0 5 62 7183.

[00:17:57]I want you to confirm to protect your privacy. My lord, I'm going to request I write this phone number.

[00:18:10]so that I don't have right to read it.

[00:18:12]Are you okay me reading out your telephone number?

[00:18:21]>> It's okay.

[00:18:22]>> It's okay.

[00:18:24]It's 076 91 44.

[00:18:36]Uh confirm that that number is your personal number.

[00:18:49]>> 776 >> 9144.

[00:18:54]>> Yes.

[00:18:56]>> And it's the telephone number you used for banking purposes.

[00:19:12]I don't remember. I had other numbers at the time of opening or when >> you can tell both both at the time of opening and during the use of transactions of these on these accounts. I don't remember, but that's my number.

[00:19:34]>> That's your number.

[00:19:47]And in respect of a euro account.

[00:20:16]My Lord, I pray to tender bank resolution bank resolution beneicial owners specimen in Jakart.

[00:20:49]A national ID of A1 and deceased the meas.

[00:21:11]But you got limited.

[00:21:24]I wrote those particular documents that doment has been confirmed by the witness. So we believe they could be admitted collectively as Next and accompanying bank statement my lord for the reasons given by the accused for identification that is in the first badge.

[00:22:11]by most uh with regard I'll start with the memorandum and articles my lord they already tended in this court as prosecution exhibit 128 for marganda limited maybe I can just get correction documents.

[00:22:58]>> Yes.

[00:23:02]Collectively admitted and marked me 122 resolutions 122 company form 122 >> yeseneicial >> I don't know what I don't know then for documents resolutions for 18.

[00:23:48]So my lord with respect to the national ID of the deceased obviously this witness cannot tender it not has also said that the signature on it is not his lord >> she said that the signature is not >> they're different they're different from the one on the specimen signature cards I think she said The signature on my husband's national ID different from the one on the space, but it is the national ID and photo of >> Yes. Yes. But she says it's national ID and photos, not hers.

[00:24:45]she can't say what's his um then my lord but more particularly when it comes to the resolutions they seek to register now to tender now and the forms they seek to tender now I know it's important to note that none of what they presenting in this court are certified documents I think maybe they may be presenting different resolutions the resolutions which we considered two um I think are different in that they are from URSB and they are 30 and they are certified true copies.

[00:25:26]Um my lord under the law of evidence um section 77 uh such documents and 76 such documents can only be tendered in being public documents by proof of certification. So previously my learned friend had brought us certified copies and we did not object. I think today what he seeks to tender in in terms of resolutions are not like the the PO form the business the the business beneficial owners form not certified at least what he has given me uh the resolutions that he has provided I think they may some are the same some maybe are not um from what we have previously but what he has provided today is not certified they're not certified copies and uh this business cannot tender in even if it's on resolution. The law is simple and clear. Um he has presented her documents. They have not come from her. They have come from him. He's trying to tender them in through her and they not certified and they're public documents. There's nothing that would have stopped certification. My lord, um with regard to the second of the objection, I hand over to my land friending to the resolutions. all all all documentation that is not certified regarding the bankers do books my lord our objection on banker's books remains the same um even specimen signature cards are banker's books clearly uh and they can only be tended in this court by a banker my lord regarding identification of the statement my lord this witness is unable this witness did not even identify that statement.

[00:27:23]>> So my lord, you cannot I you cannot you use someone who has said I can't identify it to identify it. So we object that and then I think a very brief objection from Mr. I don't do that through a witness.

[00:27:52]And so on this stand both have established the purpose the disappointments on my road.

[00:28:25]Nothing has been shown.

[00:28:36]The witness has been made to read documents with her husband.

[00:28:47]But my lord, that is not enough.

[00:28:54]So does the evidence which she has given contradict the documents which is gender or the documents contradict the evidence of I hope that has clearly throwing simply because the witness has said my name here The company name that has to be established by >> saying that unless the witness's testimony contradicted the documents or the documents contradicted the witness in and relevance. Of course, >> they go to show my Lord purpose that either the evidence of the witness is contradicting the document contradicting the witness.

[00:30:25]The mayor my lord the mayor witness sorry the mayor fac yes I see this is the name when you say it for I first of all correct the the narrative that the documents we are traversing we are already my lord that doments we tended fast that 1 to were documents procured from USB.

[00:31:22]Now the source of the present continual documents were verified or in other words certified by the And the stamps are clear.

[00:32:02]My lord, our line has been clear.

[00:32:07]The witness has been asked to confirm whether or not these are the documents that she used to open the respective bank accounts.

[00:32:35]And that my lord constitutes the purpose for which was looking for is not only where witnesses are contradicting that statements attended by in this case there could be more than one reason but at least The clear reason is that the witness is confirming the documents are confirming the facts that the witness has alluded to.

[00:33:30]And so my lord, as a person who opened the account and as a person who filed the documents back and as a person who authored the documents by virtue of her respective signatures and being that she has positively identified and confirmed that the documents she dealt in is a competent witness.

[00:34:18]My lord, our only doubts are with the authenticity of the banker statement.

[00:34:31]That doubt is not in respect of whether he operated an account with the particular bank.

[00:34:48]So to the extent that she acknowledges operating accounts the four accounts with the state bank and the fact that she has clearly identified that these banker statements ments are in the names of her companies.

[00:35:21]That alone, my lord, is sufficient as far as she's concerned to have identified.

[00:35:34]I note a difference here if I may.

[00:35:38]confirmation of proof versus evidence of connection. Identification is simply are the documents connected to you or to the company in this case and she has already said so as to the content or authenticity she doesn't know but the fact that the documents belong the statements are in the names of her company my lord that she has confirmed So with that my Lord we pray as before.

[00:36:24]She is the right witness to not just tender those that we seek to tender but also to identify those that we seek to identify.

[00:36:36]The right witness will be called either deny or dispute statements.

[00:36:54]My Lord, we believe the defense will.

[00:36:59]But if the defense doesn't, we also believe this court's hands won't decide to make make the ends of justice. But for now, my lord, we can only pray as we have done.

[00:37:17]We get a very brief sentence rejoinder with Le Have you even given yourself?

[00:37:25]>> It's a prayer.

[00:37:27]>> The prayer has been responded to >> proceeding my lord. My lord my friend is now arguing that he got these public documents from a place which is not responsible for them from a bank.

[00:37:46]These are not bankers entries.

[00:37:50]These are not bankers. You can't just memarks from anywhere but also my lord it's an absolute waste of our court record to take that the exact same memorandum of articles twice.

[00:38:04]So with regard to the all the documents that could have been obtained from the from the company registry my lord the law is very clear. If you want to know memorandum and articles, you go to the register. He is the one also who provides for you the bank resolution.

[00:38:26]You don't conduct company searches at banks.

[00:38:34]My lord, the beneficial owner form again is not is not certified. The specimen signature and so far as it's a banker's book, the law is very clear. First and foremost, section might not be quoted the sections already. Um, and section four in particular when it comes to verification of a copy of a banker's book.

[00:38:58]It can only be shall not be a copy shall not be received in evidence unless it is proved the copy has been examined and is correct. And such proof shall be given by the person who examined the copy with the original. That's section 41 and2 of the evidence bankers book act. So my lord very briefly um so very briefly we only concede to allowing A1's national ID.

[00:39:35]The meas are already in and the bank we cannot get a true copy of the meas from the bank. We don't even know what he has done with what he has got from the bank.

[00:39:44]If it's the same thing or not, we haven't had a full review. The specimen card is a banker's document. The BO form and the resolutions are not certified copies.

[00:40:00]And as for that statement, my lord, it is she's incapable. A witness who says I do not know what this is cannot then be the witness who identifies it. You've already established president in this court, my lord. When the IO was here, whatever the IO had not authored, the IO could not even identify.

[00:40:20]>> These are the same ones you're talking about.

[00:40:24]>> Yes, my lord. They are the same ones but bought from different sources.

[00:40:31]>> My lord, the first ones were procured from USB and certified by USB. Now these particular ones my lord they are the very exact one as those in the of but we are the context and the source is is different my lord these were those that the witness filed with the bank while opening the bank accounts.

[00:40:59]So yes, the content my lord may be the same but the sources are different and the reason we have to have both of them in their respective context my lord is for purposes of consistence consistence because you're having the same atm that is done it is relevant fact that the same document as it exists in the company record is the one that was filed.

[00:41:37]So at the appropriate time my lord we shall traverse the relevance of the two topics from yeah >> yes it's important my lord and we will we will bring that relevance meeting those and she does not deny having them open. Let us look at the sections on that case. There's no better fact than the person who executed the documents and delivered them to the bank for the opening of the bank statement, who co-authored the documents together with her husband and delivered them to the bank. she has identified them correctly as documents she co-authored. Documents can be tendered in through the author.

[00:42:42]Unfortunately, one of the authors of the same document is in court today and the other is the witness having identified the documents is competent to tender the documents which she has properly the documents.

[00:42:59]There's no prejudice suffered by the witness by tendering of the documents that has admitted and people the one she's not sure of. She has stated that she cannot identify because she's not sure.

[00:43:16]The only document that cannot be delivered through this witness is the bank statement which the witness said she had not remember the details of because she did not request it. The the prosecution conceds that the meas 122A and two 1 2 3 A are the same meats they seek to tender. Now in my view there is no merit of tendering the same document which you are already on. court will cross reference them in the record as already having been regarding the card the signature card which which the witness aditted and stated that it was hers in the case of nat versus supreme court number 209.

[00:44:12]And this was a case where a bank statement was admitted as DX1 during shling conference by consent and on appeal the admissibility of that statement without complying with section three of the bankers books act was challenged.

[00:44:29]The Supreme Court held that once the document was admitted, it it was no longer it was no longer subject to section 3 since it was not challenged at that stage.

[00:44:48]the bank statements which the which the witness has stated that she cannot identify or she she because she did not request for them and not be entered as an a however to the extent that she admits that she held accounts in that bank as reflected on the bank statement and that she held accounts in that currency.

[00:45:29]But the authenticity of the entries and the statement itself cannot be spoken to by her because she say she's not sure.

[00:45:38]The document then deemed for identification and court under section 40 of the trial of the indictments act will invite bank to come and testify.

[00:46:00]>> You can invite at any stage Section 4.

[00:46:17]Section 41. The high court will at any stage for any person with a decision.

[00:47:01]42 states that the advocate for the prosecution or the defendant or his or her advocate shall have the right to cross and the court shall adjamin it either party of such evidence such person. So yes at any stage of any person that things by shed light and it does not even mean that I going to I going to read the bank statement look at it and see if there's any fact there that requires if there's no fact that I requires the bank not >> that there is something that the bank shall shed light no might end up falling.

[00:48:07]I see some discomfort.

[00:48:09]I am guided by that uncomfortable court.

[00:48:19]No, >> because my lord we at the time when they have their case the court cannot close and become the prose some I did not make this >> but my lord >> I didn't make this led you to the law the high court at any stage of any understand but you are I will leave it at that extremely uncomfortable.

[00:48:54]>> I am not acting I am guided by section of the trial.

[00:48:59]>> Somebody has applied to the document and my lord the court has already seen that there will be a gap and the court will use it. If at this stage the prosection 40 of the tri I'm not the law I would I I'll leave it at that. Court has made that decision. I am completely uncomfortable for that reason.

[00:49:23]>> It's okay.

[00:49:27]It can be uncomfortable. You would have been uncomfortable if I was moving without and without a provision of this is not the first time I'm using it. I've used this provision several times. That is why I know >> I don't you know you have the same power under that you seem to have lost everything and then you help >> Mr. Lord let us proceed. Miss accuse me of helping the prosecution is unfortunate.

[00:50:16]>> I didn't do that.

[00:50:18]You said that I am >> if I needed to I would chambers not I didn't say I am helping >> maybe the eyes of the court can see what will happen but my lord at this juncture the court can't say I'll revoke section 40 >> if it's necessary >> yes if that's what you say >> yes if necessary if if there is anything there that needs >> if the prosecution thinks they will need a witness at this they know what to do >> section cannot again use section 40 over >> the reason that does he Let's proceed.

[00:51:21]So the the notionary in your submission I'll So the notial form >> Yes. owners form because on the on the authority of systems.

[00:52:12]>> Yes.

[00:52:14]>> Yeah. Because because they admitting it and somebody has >> just a moment.

[00:52:48]the resolutions. Yes, they're not the same.

[00:52:52]>> The resolutions are the same. So, we are not >> I'm sorry. The meas are the same. So, we are not the resolutions are differentions.

[00:53:25]Our instructions which you you denied instructions to the effect that you had the motivation to kill Mr. Henry Katang for money for property.

[00:53:50]Objection.

[00:53:53]I think my lord when our claims to have instructions as a prostitute his instructions are contained in the police file which will traverse for there was no instruction from any witness. If he has instructions now and he claims it he must disclose the source of those instructions or who the instructor is. If he does not then I'm most of my lord because it wasn't my lord for your intervention.

[00:54:36]I was kindly ask my brother to state the legal basis for his objection because as an advocate of this court in this court I appear on instructions and the instructions I'm given my lord I am not under any legal duty to disclose the details of the instructions I can only disclose the substance of the instructions that I know I'm an advocate of this.

[00:55:10]I have a client. I represent the Republic of Uganda.

[00:55:15]Is the defense in that I cannot be instructed.

[00:55:20]I am simply putting to Miss Moanga the instructions that I carry in as far as these facts are concerned.

[00:55:32]I my lord my right friend can only have instructions from the DPP. Nobody else.

[00:55:40]So let him state my instructions from the DPP is this and not a blanket. My lord, the instructions I have from the Republic of Uganda in whose name I appear and prosecute this matter.

[00:56:04]I am instructed by the Republic that you had the motivation to kill your late husband for property.

[00:56:24]And I was saying that you had already given this court your position, but if you may can Repeat your response to my instructions for property. Which property?

[00:56:46]First of all, I did not care my husband.

[00:56:49]So, which property did I kill him for?

[00:56:51]And why?

[00:56:54]You have an argument in this court as an exhibit.

[00:57:04]where I would buy properties and add his name.

[00:57:11]If I had wanted to, I would not even have put him there.

[00:57:17]Instruction is writing.

[00:57:21]>> If you had, we ended at if you had wanted, I would not have put him there.

[00:57:26]>> Yes.

[00:57:27]>> Are you done?

[00:57:31]Put him where?

[00:57:33]>> On the title. On the agreements properties.

[00:57:40]>> Which properties?

[00:57:44]>> I can't name them here. I'm not carried that with me. I cannot mention every property I have.

[00:58:00]So I will come to the rest of the other properties but for now my Lord I pray that P return questions about any of those Ps. The witness has been extremely clear about saying she's not going she doesn't know about that document. My lord, we cannot remain for 2 days with my learned friend looking for a way to ask questions on P4. The court has guided the person will come who will talk about his P 40 until the cows come home.

[00:58:42]>> So now we cannot be here on the same question. The cows are coming home. They going away from home. They coming back.

[00:58:48]My lord this repetition is getting really >> my lord to which question is Mr. Objective.

[00:58:55]Any question on P4?

[00:58:57]>> I have put none. I have put none. So far the witness has said those are not my bank statements. I can't confirm. So what you my lord I want to know what is the substantive objection that my brothers are raising.

[00:59:15]>> The objection is that >> you object to a question. I have not put any question so far. Wait for the question. You are put to a witness and the witness has said those are not my bank statements.

[00:59:26]>> My lord, I would have wanted during your time under what under what law am I prohibited to put a P witness?

[00:59:34]>> Mr. The witness has stated that the documents we marked as P she cannot >> very well very well asking about >> very well I have only made a simple prayer that P4 be handed to the witnesses and my land colleagues are objecting I'm failing to know my lord what they are objecting to Let the witness have the document and we see the question Mr. I cannot know because I didn't ask for the statement then make that >> and will record it as such but surely you cannot suppress cross examination simply because and I believe there is nothing When you object, you make tired by now.

[01:00:41]My lord, we should be done.

[01:00:59]Mr. Katanga you that statement which you say you don't know can't confirm because you did not ask for it the statement substantially covering the period between the death of your husband and now that is even false that he has the right to reexamine >> and that I have the right >> yes >> I I I humbly I humbly request The defense has a right to read.

[01:02:01]>> Exactly. My lord, I humbly request that where my learned colleagues feel that I am false, they note it down and demonstrate the false during reexam.

[01:02:11]That is the purpose for reexam otherwise I I shouldn't go down.

[01:02:27]Are we together or we have we have >> now I do not want to go into the details response since the defense concise the I wrote I was only mistaking objection that court has said the bank official I was >> I look at the documents and make that determination >> I am now well guided my lord Mr. the total credits from the doment.

[01:03:21]>> My lord, honestly, >> my lord, now I think we're now praying for the >> no my I object to any question about credits on that document. That is my objection.

[01:03:46]>> Yes.

[01:03:47]credit debit entries let his question the witness will ask I suspect that you let me not let me not because the witness has already stated that you cannot verify because she didn't ask for I want to be respect my objection is because right now this is now calorie pay >> oh my god I take exception and and I I want to go on record to say he just wants to say something so that his bloggers can quote it >> my lord I belong >> that is bel I can even read it better. My lord, let me let me tweet this.

[01:04:54]>> Mr. Morgan, just ask what you are going to ask.

[01:04:57]>> No, my lord. I I can wait better. I I wanted to be in summary.

[01:05:01]>> Please summarize because >> but Mr. Kha believes that my >> you you ask what you want to ask not what Mr. Kha.

[01:05:13]>> Let's proceed. Can they be refrained so that I I do my job?

[01:05:18]>> Apologize my lord.

[01:05:20]>> Let me do my job. It might be a bad job my lord but I I have no option my lord I'm here because I am instru Mr. stand up on the Euro account within that period.

[01:06:21]By the time your husband died, he left a total of 8 million 863, 313. 13.

[01:06:47]In simple terms, in Ugandan terms, this would be in a region of 40 billions.

[01:06:59]Confirm that you withdrew this money to zero.

[01:07:07]That's our objection is I believe should not Let's go. Let's not go into matters where the court has already and the witness has not already said that she cannot confirm whether this is the account or not.

[01:07:45]This is an identified document.

[01:07:53]And my lord, the reason I am asking for specifics from the witness is because she can't confirm. If she had confirmed authenticity of the document for me, I would have left it for submissions. But the only chance I have to verify is through her because she does not know this is a >> yes and I'm not asking for particular that's why I'm calling that's why I'm calling okay my does she remember withdrawing the entire amount to zero on this account she remember >> if she If she doesn't know, let her say so. Let her say so. My lord, why do lawyers answer for a client?

[01:08:52]>> Mr. Mr. other let us be >> should be ordering >> let us be so that we must >> Mr. Mr. >> Yes my lord >> please summarize >> ma'am this is a simple question please provide the answer so that we move >> why should I answer on a document that I don't >> I'm not asking about That is the answer. I cannot answer from a document.

[01:09:47]My lord for me with that answer my very comfortable with that answer as from the time of the demise of your husband.

[01:10:13]You have been the sole operator of this euro account, correct?

[01:10:17]>> Yes.

[01:10:19]>> Please use the microphone.

[01:10:20]>> Yes, sir.

[01:10:21]>> Yes.

[01:10:26]>> As it was before since 2004.

[01:10:38]I just want you to confirm one simple fact.

[01:10:44]You confirm that you within the credits still >> that's what I'm looking >> from this account >> this account >> Europe account she has already denied that account maybe you can ask whether from the company or >> what she has denied is the authenticity of the bank statement I'm not putting any question on the statement the question is generally on the Euro account and she can tell that she's denying existence of Eur not not based on the >> end make your client so angry And yet the answers might >> from the time of the husband's death.

[01:12:04]She operated this account on her own as it was.

[01:12:10]Yes, my lord.

[01:12:18]And I want I want you to confirm this court whether it is a fact in your knowledge that you withdrew all the credits of this account from all the money on the account and I will not go into amounts a You have already >> all all the money >> from the euro account >> from the euro account.

[01:12:48]>> Not necessarily that p.

[01:12:50]>> No, I don't. The entire euro account being leaked.

[01:12:55]>> I don't remember.

[01:12:57]>> Don't remember.

[01:13:01]What? Don't you remember?

[01:13:07]>> I don't understand the question. I've been operating this old you have to listen you ask you ask a question whe >> I've been transacting I've been transacting so I don't know >> I don't remember that's what I >> don't taking out means taking out withdrawing everything.

[01:13:54]But you you remember that during your period of incarceration from the time from the 22nd from the 2nd of November 2028.

[01:14:18]You have been withdrawing money from the Europeans. You remember that >> I pay suppliers the kind of business I do. I have people My question is with growing and you have been a very good witness just provide a simple answer. What have you finished?

[01:14:45]>> Have you been drawing money from this account?

[01:14:49]>> I have been paying suppliers and those that I had borrowed money from.

[01:15:09]How have you been instructing the bank to effect the debits for whatever reasons?

[01:15:18]>> I have an arrangement with the bank which I will not disclose here.

[01:15:37]Do you remember transacting on the 17th of November 2023?

[01:15:41]>> I can't remember that.

[01:15:59]Do you remember transacting during the time you were at?

[01:16:07]>> I don't remember.

[01:16:19]So just to be sure that you don't we are still in your account. So do you remember transacting well in New Zealand please?

[01:16:30]>> Yes.

[01:16:40]>> You have any reason why you remember and you don't remember?

[01:16:58]No, >> I don't remember. I don't remember.

[01:17:18]Okay. So I have left Europe.

[01:17:24]I have gone to USD.

[01:17:36]>> Mr. Could you ask the questions in relation to all the or are they going to be different?

[01:17:47]We have the Euro account, we have the USD account, have the shielding account.

[01:18:13]Mr. Tanga, you remember making withdraws on the USD account while you were at IHK?

[01:18:26]>> I don't remember.

[01:18:30]>> What about the other two remaining accounts? the shing account for M and the shing account for for max logistics. You remember making any financial withdrawals during the time you are IH you or you don't >> I may I may not or you may not answer that question.

[01:19:08]Right, the joint bank accounts for the companies and the real estate that we asked about last time. Your husband also owns several other properties of other than those.

[01:19:39]>> Are you telling him your husband?

[01:19:41]>> I want you to confirm. I would do I would advise you ma'am not to get taken by our exchanges. Retain your calm provide proper answers to this court.

[01:19:52]Don't don't feel emotionally charged >> because we are here not to you know we are here this information to court so that court can make a just decision in this >> please don't for us lawyers we ar don't get diver You are the person here. Don't lose your your head.

[01:20:26]>> Yeah. Just tell what you Is it in your knowledge that your husband also had several other properties but other than those >> unless you I will do that.

[01:20:42]I'm instructed that your husband had savings in UAP. That's >> Yes.

[01:20:57]Is it in your knowledge that his savings were over and above 1.5 billions before his death?

[01:21:09]>> Yes.

[01:21:10]>> Okay.

[01:21:15]He also had savings in ICA over and above 2.6 billion shares.

[01:21:31]>> That's wrong with that.

[01:21:33]>> No, there's nothing wrong. Just confirmed.

[01:21:41]That's what's wrong with us >> cuz I don't understand.

[01:21:45]>> Just please ma'am just confirm. There's nothing wrong with my questions.

[01:21:52]Neither is there anything wrong with whatever answer you may provide.

[01:22:01]>> We also had savings in ICA over and above 2.6 period.

[01:22:21]>> Your husband also had savings in a circle called UCFs, community circle over and above a billion ships.

[01:22:38]>> Yes.

[01:22:40]The mic, please.

[01:22:52]You already confirmed this court, but for the record, please do again that he held an account, a personal account with Bank of Boda, which had over and above 400 million.

[01:23:13]Please pick up on Mr. >> Yes, please.

[01:23:20]>> In summary, beyond what I have listed for you on your request, confirm that he also had savings in other securities and bonds in billions.

[01:23:39]I can't confirm.

[01:23:59]I'm putting it to you that the person of this worth never have been rest like you said by a debt of billion shillings.

[01:24:17]Now you see the reason why >> why are you saying that? First of all, the date was not a billion. It was a lot more than that. And uh we were talking about the recovery.

[01:24:32]So if you say someone cannot be depressed, I don't know.

[01:24:38]You may not, someone else might.

[01:24:52]Which of these two companies was transacting in classified supplies?

[01:25:01]Max or M.

[01:25:12]When you talk of classified, I don't think I have the authority to talk about classified.

[01:25:17]>> No, I'm not I'm not I will not go into the details of the class supplies.

[01:25:24]>> M I will only ask you to confirm one thing that classified involved supply of arms and ammunitions as part of the companies. That one you get it from the end user, not me.

[01:26:06]The reason I ask you this again is you represented yourself as a person or you were so represented as a person who could not use firearm as simple as guns and whatever you're asking ask the end user And for me using a pistol, a gun, I was never trained. You have never seen me with a gun shooting. So you can't see it has no connection at all.

[01:26:50]>> Right.

[01:27:04]Now this again our duty is to put this instruction.

[01:27:27]So we are instructed that lots of medical documents.

[01:27:38]We have fabricated on your behalf to support your previous paid applications.

[01:27:50]but also to lay your defense in the main hearing of this matter.

[01:27:57]That's something that you know about.

[01:28:01]>> I don't know what you're talking.

[01:28:03]>> No, no. I'm talking about fabrication of medical documents relating to your health.

[01:28:11]So now you know what you have to say about it.

[01:28:15]Can you display the pictures you showed me here last time so that people can know the kind of medical >> my lord I'm going to ask that answer simple questions as they are unfortunately I can't answer >> so is that something Mr. that you know about the fabrication of the number of medical documents.

[01:28:42]>> I don't know any fabrication >> Mr. Do you remember any medical personel that worked on you during your stay at Who do you remember?

[01:29:11]>> Dr. Sichi.

[01:29:14]>> Dr. Singi. That's number one.

[01:29:17]Number two.

[01:29:18]>> I can't mention all of them. The one.

[01:29:20]>> No, just mention those you remember.

[01:29:28]Other than Dr. Who else do you remember?

[01:29:42]and other many.

[01:29:50]Is it in your knowledge that medical documents or records were given you?

[01:30:01]There are several medical people that attended according to what you are telling us.

[01:30:10]>> Do you have were you given medical documents from IHK?

[01:30:20]We are not here.

[01:30:28]>> Where of who was given your medical record?

[01:30:36]>> My family.

[01:30:38]>> Who specifically in your family was given your IHK medical records?

[01:30:49]could have been even lawyers and my brother social.

[01:31:06]So your position is that the hospital could have given these judgments your lawyers as well?

[01:31:11]>> I don't know. I don't My Lord, uh want to wind up uh just for the record. My Lord, at the beginning of the cross, we the record a request court for the defense to aid us.

[01:31:54]One Clear copy of the document titled operating notes.

[01:32:29]My lord, the reason we request a clear copy is because the one given us by the can hardly read.

[01:32:41]So we requested for we are yet to get any I I'm being advised by my learned colleagues and I think they are right. I could ask two additional two or three additional questions before I make this prayer.

[01:33:32]Uh Adam, you saw the X-ray that we showed you in this court.

[01:33:41]You remember it >> was at a distance My Lord, I think we can pray.

[01:34:19]You say it was at a distance, >> but you remember it.

[01:34:27]>> Yes.

[01:34:29]Other than that extreme, were you subjected to any other extreme?

[01:34:41]>> I'm sure there were many.

[01:34:44]They must have been many.

[01:34:45]>> Many.

[01:34:46]>> About how many?

[01:34:47]>> I don't know. You ask.

[01:34:49]>> They have been too.

[01:34:50]>> I don't know. I don't know.

[01:34:54]>> What makes you sure that there were many?

[01:34:59]I don't know. I'm saying I don't know.

[01:35:17]You told this court that you were operated upon.

[01:35:24]>> Who consented to your operation?

[01:35:27]I don't know.

[01:35:38]>> You also told this coach that you were in ICU?

[01:35:45]>> Yes.

[01:35:50]>> Were you given any record of your presence in IC? either before upon discharge or after >> as me getting documentation from the hospital.

[01:36:06]I think they were all handed over to my brother and my family >> including the post operation notes.

[01:36:22]>> What documentation? I don't know.

[01:36:23]>> All documentation.

[01:36:24]>> Yes. through the Holy Spirit.

[01:36:48]My lord is that father ground and the witness doesn't have those details. So we come to pray that she avails us shall make his prayers defense by calling any prayers that >> yeah my lord that particular one they gave us so we request for If they do my lord that is all please thank you for for your cooperations.