In legal cases involving workplace conflicts, determining liability requires analyzing who initiated physical contact, whether defensive actions were proportionate to the threat, and whether company policies were violated; the case of Anita Grayson's death at Tim Hortons illustrates how a 75-year-old customer's attempt to address an order dispute escalated into a physical altercation where employees came from behind the partition to confront her, raising questions about whether her defensive actions constituted murder or self-defense.
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Going to be a little different. All right, today's episode we are dealing with a we're going to do another jury duty, y'all. We gonna do these from time to time. I'm g see if it goes a little bit smoother this time. We did it once, you know, but it was kind of out of nowhere. Now at least people have seen at least what it looks like once. So let's uh let's uh get into it again, y'all. All right, so today's episode, jury duty.
All right, jury duty. Did the restaurant workers commit murder? Okay. Did the restaurant workers commit murder? All right, that's going to be the question that we gonna deal with, y'all. Cuz we can do what we want to do over here at the Roger L.
So, I guess this would be more like a grand jury like should should they face charges? Should they face charges? And uh we gonna get into this in a moment, y'all. About you know, because if you don't know, as of right now, no charges have been filed to my knowledge. As of right now, no no charges have been filed to my knowledge. So, we have an Anita Grayson, a 75 year old woman who went to the restaurant to what I've been hearing is get a cup of coffee and it turned deadly. Okay, it turned deadly. Now, she's not a she wasn't a spring chicken.
75 years old. Okay.
You wouldn't think you get into a physical altercation at 75 years old. I I thought, you know, you get to, you know, honestly, I thought if you make it to 40, like this shouldn't even be an issue at that point that you got to get into physical altercations. Like it really you're supposed to the fighting stuff supposed to stop somewhere in your 20s.
But hey, you know, sometime it don't go that way. And unfortunately, whatever we side with, the lady still lost her life. So unfortunately, she lost her life and uh as of this point, it seems like she lost her life over a cup of coffee. Okay. Or whatever her issue was with the cup of coffee. Not clear about what the issue was with the cup of coffee, but uh she still went down. And as my father would say, dead is still dead. So, you know, um hopefully she made it into the kingdom, y'all. That's what I'm going to say.
Hopefully, she's with God at this particular point. All right. Now, um this is an interesting situation. We have it where a woman died, you know, she went to the restaurant what to to get something. She did had a drive-thru order. She doubles back around, goes into the inside.
Now, there is no sound on the recording.
Okay. The restaurant did get it, but there's no sound on the recording. And you know, people picked different words to describe what's going on. People pick different words. So, the words people were using were like, you know, she went in there to berate a 17y old. Okay. Now, this is the thing, y'all. 17-year-old is technically still a child. All right?
And for a long time now, I've been saying, which I ain't going to change, yo, a 17-year-old. Yeah, that's a child and they get certain respects for being a child, but at 18, you an adult. It is what it is. I don't care if it's your 18th birthday. It is what it is. All right? And you got to deal with real life stuff. You got to deal with real life now. Now, you know, I didn't put this up early, which I should have if I was going to do this, but you know, extensuating circumstance. I got to do what I got to do to keep things moving along and keep things fresh and new around here. So, I wish I would have been able to tell people ahead of time that we would do this as another jury duty, but we going to work with what we got, y'all. We going to work with what we got. All right. We going to work with what we got. So, of course, I'm welcoming guests to come up right away as soon as they want to. And we going to do this the way we going to do this as best we can. We going to do this as best we can. Now, this woman, I I don't know if she's a grandmother or not. I know she had a daughter cuz I did see a clip of her daughter. Her daughter believes that she deserves some level of justice.
At this particular point, there's no level of justice being pursued as far as we know. Um, I've heard stuff about investigating, but as of this point, no one has been charged.
Now, what can I tell you?
You got a black woman who goes into the restaurant.
You know, she had a problem with her order. I mean, that's not that big of a deal at the end of the day. I mean, who hasn't had a problem with an order before? All right. Who has not had a problem with order before? I'm pretty sure a lot of us have had problems with orders before. All right. So, now she goes into that restaurant to speak her peace about her order and Could it have been more civil?
Possibly.
I'm going to say I don't know that it wasn't civil. I don't know that a civil attempt wasn't made because see with the sound not being recorded?
How do I know she wasn't trying to be civil?
All right. How do I know that?
All right. They can make it out like she she wasn't trying to be civil, but I you know, if there's no record, what am I supposed to think? Now, I This was a quote unquote mad black lady. I I think a lot of folks are giving it the spin.
This the mad black lady. She just had a problem with her.
Now, can she be upset about her order?
Sure. you know, is as a paying customer, if they don't get your order right, I totally understand how you can be a little mad about it. And even though she's 75, y'all, I don't know what her situation is. She could she could have still had a job of some kind. Maybe she had to get to work. And if you working at 75 and they mess up your order, I can understand how that might be, you know, you could be a little pissed off.
All right, you could be a little pissed off.
Did she go in there to beat up a 17 year old?
I mean, there people who can be wild sometime, but no, I don't think she went in there to beat up a 17-year-old. That, you know, now granted, I can give based on the video, she seemed like she was a little upset.
I can definitely do that. Now, I personally believe the 17-year-old, she started getting out of pocket in front of her manager.
All right? And the manager just didn't do anything. So, the manager was cool with, you know, her saying whatever she wanted to say to this this black woman.
That's what I'm going to say. Now, I don't know the color of the people. I just know based on the footage, one look white.
Based on other people that came out, they looking a little white, too. All right. They looking a little white.
And with some white women take an opportunity to jump on grandma cuz the opportunity just kind of showed up and kind of presented itself. You know what, y'all? This is a good time for us to jump on grandma. All right. Now, I don't know if she's an actual grandmother. She She's just old enough to be a grandmother. She's 75 years old.
Probably a grandma to somebody, you know. Probably a grandmother to somebody. She does have a daughter, so you know, um, could possibly be a grandmother. I I didn't know for sure.
But at the end of the day, you know, I guess the customer is not always right. I'm going to say, according to the footage, it did not look like the folks at the restaurant thought that the customer is always right. Now, this was some kind of Tim Hortons restaurant.
Now, I don't I don't even know of a Tim Hortons in Chicago, so I can't say I ever had an experience at a Tim Hortons restaurant. I don't know what their policies are. Maybe Tim Hortons don't value their customers like that. I don't know. I would assume the restaurant would want customers to come in. I would assume the customers, I mean, the restaurant wants the customers to feel safe. I would assume that the restaurant does not want its customers to touch the guests of the restaurant.
That's what I would assume.
I've never heard of a Tim Hortons restaurant though. Okay.
Shout out to Floyd Thompson. Let me see what Floyd Thompson is saying real quick. He say she out behind the register. You already know, Roger. That was the girl's trash talking perch.
Granny was definitely out of order within within the wrong order. Okay, wait a minute now. Hold on. She's all behind the register. You already know, Roger. That was the girl's trash talking perch. Okay, she could be behind that register and feel quote unquote extra safe to say some extra words cuz yeah, that does happen. That does happen. But then he says Granny was definitely out of order with the wrong order. Well, Granny could definitely be upset about an order.
Um, should Granny be able to address the restaurant about the order? I'm going to have to say yes. If I get a bad order about, especially something I'm paying for, I do believe I can address the people about my order. Now, what I would not expect is to die. I of course I'm not going to expect to die about my order, but I do believe my order should be addressed. And if I go into a restaurant to address my order, whatever improper was about it, I don't think y'all supposed to kill me. I'm I'm going to say that y'all. I don't think we supposed to kill the customer that come in just cuz they got a little upset about we either we get you all the right or we kill you. That's not a good restaurant policy.
Yo, if you ask me, I you I don't know what anything about uh a they I heard it being called a Tim Hortons restaurant.
I've never even heard of that. Okay, so I don't know anything about it. Maybe it's just a restaurant named after some guy who, you know, his name was Tim and he happened to name a restaurant after himself. I know nothing about Tim Horton's restaurant, but I would assume that Tim Hortons does not have a policy of kill the patron that comes in that does that uh you know disagrees with them or or whatever. Okay, I wouldn't believe that to be the case.
Now, shout out to Gami. Yogi, I appreciate the super chat. First one of the day. Thank you very much and thank you for helping me get off to the good start. He says, "Was she beaten to death or was it a mortal combat?"
Well, Guy mean she dead. So, don't that automatically qualify?
I mean, as a Mortal Kombat, I believe that automatically qualifies. All right.
I do I do believe that's it automatically qualifies. Now, y'all, we have our first guest up, but this is where I throw a spin into it, y'all.
This is where I throw a spin into it.
chart since you were first. Well, excuse me, Detective Sims. Okay, >> put some stank on that for me. Please put >> Okay, we going to put more than a little stank on it. We going to put something that you wasn't even necessarily prepared for. But in the future, I will try to prepare folks for this. Uh you the judge now because you the first guest.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. And we got another gu as we get other guests come in. They're gonna have to some of us gonna have to fight one side while some of us gonna have to fight the other side.
Now, I'm assuming well, I don't really know. I'm going to take a guess and believe I'm going to have to prosecute grandma. That's what I'm assuming. You know, who knows? But you you never know.
I'm going to take whatever side is a little shorthand or whatever. or I can either prosecute grandma or I can prosecute these uh these uh these workers who seem a little white to me.
Now, I don't know that these folks are white, y'all. Uh unfortunat I didn't get as much time as I wanted to research this as much as I wanted to. It was a heck of day yesterday for me. I know a lot of y'all were enjoying y'all and just living a life and everything was cool.
But uh a and shark because you are you are the judge in this particular case. I know you may see things a particular way. But what I'm going to ask you to do, don't worry about how you see it.
Okay? What I want you to do, Judge Sims, you make a ruling based on what we present. Okay? Make your ruling based on what we present. All right? And the question is, I guess this is more like a grand jury, y'all. Should these should these restaurant workers be charged for murder or should they be left to go about their business? Okay, that's what the thing is. Should they be charged for murder or be left to go about their business? Now, I don't know what's going to happen in real life, but maybe we'll get some level of understanding once we do this. I don't know what's going to happen in real life. Now, this is kind of Indiana. this is uh kind of more of a white area. Nine times out of 10, Indiana got some very white places in it. So, uh you know, even as a mass as a country, you know, that's that's kind of a a white state.
So, we'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. Shout out to Afro Merchant.
Thank you very much, uh my brother, for your uh super chat. He says, "You're not running a successful business if you're not fighting your customers.
The business all is always right." # Long live the habitual ass. All right.
Long live the habitual ass. All right.
So, in today's situation, uh, Detective Sins will have a little more power than usual, y'all. Cuz if he want you to be quiet, you going to have to be quiet. If he wants you to talk, you going to have to talk. So, he going to be doing whatever he want to do because it's going to be his courtroom.
All right. Anyone who wants to join the panel is welcome to join right away because we going to do this thing. We gonna do this thing. Now, um I do believe grandma can get upset about her order. I do believe grandma can come address the order. Not now that I know she's the actual grandmother, but she is the mother of a black woman. So, I'm going to assume she's a you know, the black woman. What's the chance of the black woman not being a single mother or, you know, maybe she had kids yet?
But she was kind of a big lady, so it's possible she don't have any kids at this point. It is possible. Um, I'm gonna say shout out to Emerald Edge. He said McDonald's, Starbucks, Wendy's, Tim Hortons, Duncan, Mom and Pop Shops, etc. Okay. Well, I have no kind of idea what a Tim Hortons is. You know, I'm going to assume that that's a franchise restaurant. It could just be a one location deal, though. It could be a one location.
>> It's a It's a It's a um franchise cuz they got a Tim Hortons in New York.
>> Okay. And I'm not saying Tim Hortons is not in the Chicago area. I've never literally noticed this restaurant. I've literally never heard of this restaurant. Okay, just so y'all know.
All right, and we have another guest up and let's see what he wants to do with this situation. We got Dark Side Rules All.
I wonder which way he gonna go with a name like that. Dark Side Rules All.
That's an interesting moniker for this particular show. But dark side rules all I'm going to give you the flow so you can make a case either for these restaurant employees getting murder or against these restaurant employees getting murdered and the honorable Judge Sims is in control. So watch how you speak to them. I'm just letting you know. Watch how you speak to them. All right.
>> Go ahead.
>> First of all, first of all, dark side rules all. We don't care nothing about what the judge talking about today. We must Hey man, this uh she said she was 75 years old. Elderly woman, right? Supposed to know better.
Supposed to know better. So much better that she is teaching the youth how to behave. That's what the Bible say. The Bible say the older women supposed to teach the younger women how to behave.
Well, I guess she went in there and was teaching and the younger women responded in kind.
Now, I don't know about you, if I'm at work and I'm behind the counter and you come back there pointing your finger in people faces, you kind of get what you get.
And I got a rule in my house.
I don't bother with anybody that gives me anything I have to ingest or inject.
I don't mess with no pharmacist. I don't mess with people that make my food.
That's just a rule. They win automatically.
No matter what they said, no matter what they did, no matter what they didn't do, what I got, no matter what I didn't get, I'mma take it up with corporate. I'm not arguing with the people that's making my food at that time. She automatically wrong. Automatically wrong. That they they are uh innocent. Innocent, y'all.
This is this is utter foolishness.
Innocent. I'mma lay my >> Wow.
Just cuz they made food, that automatically makes them innocent.
>> That's right.
>> All right. Well, since you're the only person here for this moment, I'm going argue with the other side. I could do either one, y'all. I could do either one. Okay. So, I'm going to say, Judge Sims, first of all, I hope you having a great morning. Okay. I hope you having a fantastic morning. All right.
>> You're off to a good You're off to a good start. I'll give you that one.
You're off to a good start.
>> Don't be trying to butter up the judge.
Let's get to it. Let's get to it.
>> Buttering up the judge and all that, though.
>> Ordering Order in the court, please.
Order in the court.
>> Yeah. I I hate to offend you, sir, but but I have a job to do at this particular point.
>> And uh I'm going to say >> this look like cold blooded murder to me.
>> All I know is the woman came in. Sure, she may have been upset about a restaurant order, which is understandable. If they messed her order up, you know, she could be upset about a restaurant order. Does that give them to right the right to kill her because she was upset about a restaurant? See, I think that's where it starts to go too far. We should not be in a society where we can say that it is right to kill someone cuz they messed up your order cuz that's all that happened here. Okay?
A woman came in because the order obviously was messed up. So therefore, the restaurant employees killed her.
That's not the type of country I want to live in.
It's not the type of world I want to live in. That seemed like a little too much pressure at the end of the day. And since I do believe it's okay to be a paying customer and a paying customer should get the items they actually paid for to kill her cuz we don't know anything else about these people. We don't know that they got some background. We don't know that they knew each other. We don't know of any type of previous beef they had. She was 75.
Why would you kill a 75 year old woman?
Seems a little intentional to me. Okay.
Seems a little intentional to me. And I'mma say until I find otherwise, it looked like these folks was white in a very white area. They got them a [ __ ] in there. Okay. And and for whatever that reason is, we going to get this [ __ ] today. She done gave us a reason.
She done gave us a reason because she didn't like what we told her she needed to buy. That's what it seems like to me.
But but I'm I'mma leave Hold on. Hold on. We don't we don't say those kind of words in in my court. Okay, sir. Excuse me.
>> And refrain from that, please.
>> Yes. Excuse me, your honor. I do apologize. I was just trying to get the the the folks to understand the sentiment that I believe these women were coming from. No disrespect to the courtroom intended.
>> Thank you. You could call her rowdy shouty, but you can't call her no.
>> Yes, your honor. Yes, your honor. Now, we got some other guests in y'all. Now, uh these we got three other people that came up. Now, gentlemen, you all going to have to choose a side. So, understand this. Choose a side. Okay? With your opening statement, choose a side. You either choosing that these folks should be charged for murder or you going to argue that they shouldn't be charged for murder. I don't care which one you do, but you must choose a side. Shout out to Black Uru Strikes. He says, "No Tim Hortons in Chicago area." Praise God.
You know what?
Shout out to Blackoo Strikes. And I do prefer restaurants where they don't kill their customers. I'mma say that. Shout out to Blackoo Strikes. And I honestly prefer restaurants that do not kill their customers, you know. Shout out to you, brother. Shout out to you. All right. Um, we have uh Granny made me do it first.
Granny made me do it. What side you taking? And and uh make your statement for or against her. For or against whatever one you gonna do.
>> All right. Happy Tuesday, everybody.
>> Happy Tuesday. How you doing?
>> All right. For me, there's no case in in no way, shape, or form can I accept a 75 year old acting like a toddler going 10% Trump because your your order got messed up.
Okay.
>> Praise God.
>> These these these old broads, they out of pocket. They still think that they're the same 28-year-old who could squabble up with everybody besides far from me to ever condemn some beautiful white women with some pink toes. Y'all know that I love them pink toes. But no, no case.
Not guilty. Granny. Granny. Granny died of a heart attack. [ __ ] granny.
Wow. It's cold blooded up in here. It's cold blooded. Uh UK Arsenal, you got to pick a side, my brother. Pick a style.
Are you Are you here to say that murder charges should be filed or you are you here to defend these folks and say murder charge shouldn't be filed?
>> I mean, if you got the mic, go ahead.
>> Yeah, murder charges should be filed.
>> Yes, she's ignorant.
>> She's a ignorant 75 year old woman, but yeah, you can't you can't be murdering a 75 year old woman. Yeah. And the the lesson is that when when you go somewhere and they don't serve you the food you you want, I don't go back there again. That's what that's my approach to it.
>> I won't be eating in the UK no time soon.
>> That's it. UK nothing else that there.
>> No, no, no. I So, so I said that if I eat somewhere and I don't like the food, I don't go back there. Or you know what I mean? If it's somewhere where I'm regular and they get it wrong once, I would let them know where they went wrong or something to say that this order is not as usual. Um, but you know what I mean.
>> Yeah. Roger wants you to help strengthen his case over there, you know. But you getting what you're supposed to get over there, Roger.
>> Like I'm on my own.
Like I'm all right. Uh, front. Which side you taking? Make your argument, brother.
>> All right. I'm saying innocent. I'm saying innocent. Roger. All right.
Because Indiana is a stand your ground state. And that even includes your workplace. Okay? If you look up Indiana Code 35-41-3-2, >> you are justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death, serious bodily injury, or the commission of a forcable felony.
>> I'm going to show >> I'm going to >> show it. Show over at 29 minutes 30 seconds. Y'all enjoy the rest of y'all day. This has been another Roger Report live.
I'mma have >> innocent innocent innocent Roger innocent innocent.
>> But I'm going to have to revoke I'm have to revoke his statements because he came into the court representing his clients in a Nike tech suit with shoes on. So everything he says is admissible in court right now.
>> They playing dirty. They playing dirty.
that from the >> Roger. Roger. Roger. What this lady did >> a couple of steps forward.
>> Judge S. It's Judge Sims today. He He running this one. He was the first one up. It's Judge Sims today. Better to plead your case to him.
>> Detective Sims. Judge Sims. Your honor.
Listen.
>> Notice that disrespect. He called me by your first name. I just want to throw that out there.
>> This woman took a couple of steps towards my client and was very aggressive.
and went so far as to push her her face back after my client tried to create space between them.
>> At that point, my client doesn't know what's going on.
Did you see the force at which she pushed her face back?
This lady might be 75 years old, Gon, but this this lady has the strength of a 29y old woman like Paul B. Paul White.
>> All right, we can keep under Indiana code under Indiana any code. Your honor, under Indiana any code, your honor, my client had no duty to retreat.
>> Once my client felt threatened, felt that she was in danger of serious bodily harm. She had the right to defend herself at her work.
I'm going to land my plane with that open tape.
Your honor, I I would like the court to simply look at the facts that uh this is an old lady coming to a restaurant. And I'm not saying this in a disrespectful way. I'm saying this in a matterof fact way. She is old. Ya. She came in looking old. Okay, this no disrespect to the old folks. I'm just saying she came in obviously an elderly woman. There's nothing going on about her where you would mistake her and say, "Hey, she's 25 years old." She's obviously an older looking woman. All right? And it was just about a food order. They say it was just coffee. She notice she came in the restaurant, no weapons in her hand at all. She just came to talk to to to the folks cuz obviously the order is wrong. So number one, they don't even care enough about this woman to even get her order right.
So we see there's a there's definitely some insensitivities going on. Okay, she comes in to address them is two to one in the first place. Okay, so for someone to say that they are in fear of any kind is completely assigned at this point.
Obviously they're not afraid. This is a place they come to on a regular basis.
they feel like they quote unquote have some ownership uh of the time that they're at the restaurant. I'm not saying they believe they truly truly own the restaurant, but they do understand that they are representatives of this particular restaurant. So, you know, people say my job all the time.
Technically, it's not their job. It's somebody else's job that they're just in the place of. So, they have some type of ownership mentality at this particular time. And I'm saying they clearly displayed that ownership mentality when they felt because all it can be is a feeling because it ain't their restaurant. They felt like this person just shouldn't get good service today.
They messed the order up in the drive-thru and now they don't even want to hear about it on the inside.
>> Objection, your honor.
I objection y'all that you cannot you cannot uh you speak to the uh to to the mindset of the defendant. You know, you can't speak to that.
>> I take that objection. You're right.
>> You don't know.
>> Let me let me let me let me let me say this right quick. So, because she's 75 years old, that gives her the right to put hands on people. So, I'm 75 years old. So, they mess up my order. The first thing the first order is for me to start squabbbling. That's ghetto mentality. I'm sorry.
>> Is that what you're trying to say, Roger?
>> Um I don't think I need to say that. But I do appreciate him bringing that up because if you look at the video, only one side of the counter start touching people. Okay. Because this 75 year old woman stayed behind that partition, I guess would be the proper word. That swing partition. She stayed behind it at all times. And if you look at the video, you will see that once there was two of them together, they felt comfortable enough to put their hands on her, not the other way around.
>> Your honor, your honor, you look at the video, your honor, >> go ahead. Go ahead.
>> I appreciate y'all helping my case though. Bring up the fact they started touching on grandma.
If I if I may y'all.
>> Yes, I'm afraid when I'm at work and you enter my space in a hostile manner. She knew she was only one person. So, if one person comes into a restaurant of several people, I assume you have a weapon. If you're angry enough to face off with us, I assume you feel like you have the upper hand. Not only am I bound by the law, I'm also bound by the policy and procedures of the restaurant to not get in physical altercations with with the customer. Your honor, this 75year-old woman who was the elder who I should be learning from is taking advantage of of my my weakness being in a weak position at work, unable to defend myself as if I was at home and by the laws themselves. She's taking full advantage of everything that she possibly can when she simply could have said, "Hey, my order is incorrect. Can you can you correct it?" But she came in hostile. Who would not be afraid of somebody hostile? You're not at home.
You're not armed. You're not ready to fight. You're not even looking for a fight. When somebody comes in looking for a fight, and as far as a fight is concerned, there were no blows.
There was nobody was struck by any objects. There were no objects from the kitchen that were used or anything. They were simply separated. The the older woman failed and she happened to have a heart attack at that time.
>> Maybe she didn't take her medicine.
>> We don't know.
>> Let me let me let me let me say this.
This new generation, they don't they don't feel obligated to hold the elders in no quote unquote decency.
They they don't like y'all like that.
You old folks, y'all messed up the whole world. And not only y'all messed up the whole world for them, but y'all refuse to die so that they can collect their their life insurance money. Refuse to die to give him no home. And also, you want to come at him, you want to come at them in some der derogatory way and put hands on them. N they will not have it.
Them young them young folks, they will whoop some old ass.
Y think y for the smoke. They they gonna give it to y'all.
>> I don't think you help our case.
>> I I I just want to say I appreciate these last two gentlemen's statements because they are really helping me out right now. And I'm going to say this.
We're talking about a person at a restaurant. We're not talking about where people are coming in to do a battle royale. There is no reason to assume some older lady is gonna come in and start fighting because of an order.
Let's just be realistic about this, right? There's no reason to have that assumption. And the restaurant drew first blood. And I'm saying when when the altercation start happened, it became physical because the restaurant employee went past the partition to touch on the patron. That's when this became physical.
She just spoke words. Now, she may have been upset when she spoke her words, but everyone gets a right to be upset when you're trying to, you know, sucker them out of money. And you're trying to sucker someone out of money when you're trying to give them something different than what they're paying for. I'm going to take a quick pause right there to read this super chat by Black Strikes.
Thank you very much, sir. Thank you very much. He says, "Did the staff follow policy of handling the situation?" And I think Black Rule raises a great question. And I'm going to say I would bet money that they did not follow policy cuz I'm sure even though I've never heard heard of Tim Horton's restaurant. If this is a big enough restaurant change, there is no way in the world they don't have it in writing that you do not touch the guest. I know they got that in writing. What restaurant and not tell their employees not to touch the guest of the restaurant? But they should skip past that and went right on to touch. But can I ask the um objection?
>> Let me ask both part >> if if if the if the plaintiff >> didn't want problems, why didn't she go to the cash register? Why did she go to the partition where the employees entering where the employees exit and enter from behind the register?
>> I'm I believe that >> Well, it appears the it appears the aggressor was uh uh being aggressive at that time and wanted to make it known to the employees who were trapped behind the partition that she was being aggressive.
We don't want to be trapped in our kitchen with a disgruntled um a a disgruntled customer coming in.
Like I said, we don't know if they have weapons. We don't know if there's somebody else following them in there.
We need space when when when we have aggressive customers. So, we just come to get to the the the partition before she gets trapped in and have a conversation with her to find out what's going on. She just continued to be aggressive, y'all.
>> Well, I'mma say she came she came in the restaurant with some Kisha mentality.
Who knows that Who knows if her order was messed up for real? Who know who to think? Why Why don't y'all think that she was trying to pull a fast one on them to tell them that the order was wrong so that she can't she can get her money back?
A >> lot of speculation in that one, Giana.
That's all I'm going to say. a lot of speculation in that one. And I want to say shout out to UK Arsenal who says Tim Horton restaurant is in Europe and United Kingdom too. So your honor, I just want it to be known. We're not talking about some small spot. Now just cuz I haven't heard of it does not mean this is a small place. This is a restaurant in different states in the in the United States of America and according to new information just being added. It's also in Europe and the United Kingdom. So, we're talking about a international restaurant chain internationally.
What international chain is going to tell their employees, it is okay for you to kill the customers? And in this particular situation, what they're basically arguing is because a woman responded to a messed up order that Tim Horton restaurant employees and representatives should get to kill the customer. That is literally what they're arguing right now, sir.
Now that just don't sound anymore in any country if you ask me no one killed anyone.
>> Your honor, your honor, I think I think I alluded to something on my open open statement that uh is essentially being looked over, which is the actual code of the law, which is what we have to judge this case based off. Your honor, >> you're right.
>> The law of Can you repeat that? Yes. The law in itself is that Well, it'll be um Indiana code 35-31.5-2-185, but all of it is under section 35 of that code. That's where you'll find all of the uh stand your ground definitions.
It states a person is justified in using reasonable force against any other person to protect the person or third party from what the person reasonably believes to be the eminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in using daily force and does not have a duty to retreat. Your honor, once again, once that lady came up to the counter and started making threats towards my client, my client had no duty to retreat.
>> We don't know how far this is going to go. There is a threat. There is a threat. There was contact push.
>> There was no there was no attempt on the lady's side to deescalate the situation.
>> Yeah.
>> You don't know what's going to happen next. The lady could have had a gun, your honor. The lady could have had mace, your honor. The lady could have become more and more aggressive towards my client. And my client does not have to wait until the point where this lady pulls out a gun to the point where this lady pulls out to mace and maces her. my client can push her away from the counter and she's with well within her right to do that. Your honor, >> I can I can agree. I can agree.
>> Now, once it came to the point of the fight, your honor, once they got on the floor, my client has the right to neutralize the threat because they're fighting. It is mutual combat.
>> Now, I I do want to say there's a whole lot of speculation in there. No weapons were found on the scene.
>> Okay.
>> Well, we don't know that. We don't know that until the fact, >> brother. I let you state your place. Let me state mine. Brother, you ain't got to be that afraid. You ain't got to be that afraid. Yeah, you going to got to be afraid of it.
>> Okay, for the record, we don't know that until after the fact.
>> For the for the record, your honor, there was no weapons found. And we do know that because they investigated and so far no weapons have been presented.
So obviously there are no weapons found.
Number two, she does have a right to address her grievances. She went into the restaurant to address her grievances again. She never crossed that partition.
Never even made an attempt to cross that partition. I do want to refer to the tape and notice how all the fa fighting came from from the left side based on how we see see the see the footage. It came from the left side toward the right. The aggression was from the left toward the right. The employees were the aggressors. No, >> the employees started touching grandma.
Grandma didn't swing on anybody.
>> Objection.
>> I think evidence had a right to herself.
>> Hold on, fellas. I think some I think some evidence was not presented to the court because we only have two video. I only have two videos in the description.
I don't I don't I don't have any moving video of the the confrontation.
>> Do you want to submit that, >> Roger? Wait a minute. There there ain't a fight in the in the in the fight in the video. The first one.
>> No, no, no. You're making up stuff.
>> Did I put the wrong there? Give me one sec.
You know, you supposed to come with your briefcase filled with all the evidence that in order to fight the case. Let me make sure what we what we do know >> video real quick. So my my apologies, Janna. My apologies.
>> It's okay. Dream team number one.
>> Dream team member number one, you go.
You can go real quick.
>> See what we do know is the aggression came from outside the inside.
>> They don't believe they dream.
Obviously, >> we we do we do know that. See, we were we were just fine in there cooking up Tim Horton. Good old bland food for the good old white folk out there. That's what we was doing. You know what I'm saying? Next thing you know, we look up and we hear somebody calling out Becky.
>> Ain't no Becky work here. You understand what I'm saying? So in there, >> this is a apparently this is Well, it's a bad It's a bad cop.
>> What a video it is.
>> No, it was just the white guy talking about it and then the black guy talking about it. They didn't show any video ever.
>> No, no, no. And when the white guy spoke, they they showed they showed the people coming from behind the counter attacking this lady, pushing her toward the right of the screen.
>> Shadows nobody could see >> from the left pushing her toward the right of the screen as they killed her.
>> As they killed her, >> well, listen, objection, y'all.
>> I'm not making the lady's dead, y'all.
>> No, first of all, nobody killed anybody out here. Now, >> she she is good enough for a murder charge, but it's definitely a killing. They literally killed this lady as they pushed her toward the right of the screen.
>> No, no, no, no. She had a medical emergency >> cuz we had >> she had a medical emergency simultaneously.
>> Literally, she >> as she as she was as she brought this aggression from outside. believe that it's okay to kill some lady just because she went in there and to address some employees about an order and they don't like the fashion that she address she addressed the employees in remember there is no footage so there is no recorded threat at all there's literally no reason for these women to come out from behind that partition >> it never presented itself why why did she call why did she called him a racial slur.
>> Well, we don't have we can't sub you don't have that evidence to submit. But I just reviewed the I just reviewed the video that Roger sub that Roger submitted and um I must say grandma did throw the first punch.
>> The hands on the shoulders is always looked at as a deescalation.
>> Praise God.
>> Hands on the shoulder.
>> Praise God. You place two hands on the sides of the of the woman like, "Calm down, miss." And she as a black woman overreacts as usual and punched that big white lady in the face.
>> Praise God.
>> Your honor.
>> Praise God.
>> I have to say, >> I I I mean, I hear where you're coming from, but at the end of the day, we're talking about a woman who's already upset about her order being >> that that's a very legitimate thing. I'm not going to pretend the lady did not show some signs where we can argue she was upset about what was going on at the time.
But we also have to be realistic. We live in a world where if you touch somebody without their permission, that's an assault.
It is what it is. That's an assault.
Now, to assume she's trying to deescalate the situation, I'm saying is kind of going a little bit far, especially when a woman is already upset. Why would you touch somebody who is upset in the first place? Now, this is a manager, so I'm going to say she definitely should know better because the manager sets the tone for what the employees can do. If she is going to teach the employees to start touching people that are upset, she is instigating that people should be killed at this particular restaurant. Cuz unfortunately, everybody don't have it together. And we got to deal with that as a real thing. Okay? As a manager, she honestly, if she didn't want to kill that lady, she would have told that employee to go to the back. She is a manager. She didn't even tell that other employee to go anywhere. Let me handle this. She had all kinds of ways to calm this situation down. She uh she refused to calm the situation down.
And and she was aggressive cuz she came from behind that counter toward this old lady who was probably just trying to get the right amount of hazelnut in her coffee. Something real simple.
>> Your honor, could I say for the record, Could I please state for the record that workplace policy does not supersede state statutes? You you're absolutely damn see you came in here looking like a goddamn hoola but you you rep you're representing very well must I must say dream team number four that you're definitely representing very well this >> appreciate you I appreciate you >> man >> yeah granny granny came in there with 25 year old Kesha energy >> you know I mean she she came with a smoke for them >> dream team number two you you might be on or something >> no I I would say no Because at the end of the day, your honor, when it comes down to it, grandma came in there with words. They was they took it physical.
Grandma never passed the partition.
There's literally no reason for for them to touch her. There's literally no reason. They are attacking her.
And and I know that's what it was because again, the manager stepped in but didn't even tell the employee to move away from the situation. What manager with right intent does not tell the employee to remove themsel from a situation?
>> We're not talking there yet. There's a 17year-old girl >> that was a focal point, but the manager who's not 17 didn't even tell the 17-y old girl to move away to back off or anything like that. She thugging it with the 17year-old girl.
>> That shows intent right there.
I just watch your video. I just watched your video and you're you're absolutely right. There's no need for her to attack her that they could have restrained her.
Let me talk this as somebody who's worked at these kind of at this kind of job. I work >> there's no reason to restrain someone not not swinging at anybody, >> but she went into I'm fighting. She would ne she probably would never have done that with somebody her own age.
to UK Arsenal. Can you describe how do you how do you um what was the word you used? How do you restrain a person without touching them?
>> You can restrain a person by putting um the their hands behind their back. You can hold somebody. She's 75 years old, so she's not she's not going to be any anywhere near stronger than that 17 year old. You you don't have to use you have to use um you have to use reason and use your head.
Copy. We got a super chat from Black Uber right now. Roger, if you want to read that one.
>> Uh, shout out to Black Uber strikes. Uh, I'm gonna say agreeing with me on the on the company policy side. He says, "I know company policy prohibits touching customers." And I'm I agree with that cuz I I did say that earlier. What restaurant is going to have it where the company policy doesn't say you can't touch the customers? That's just the way it goes. So, they got no reason to touch this. Your honor, your honor.
>> And they're going outside company policy to even touch this lady. They are literally being aggressors on their own without restaurant representation. I would bet money that any particular corporate leader from Tim Horton restaurant would easily point out in policy where it is written down you do not customers yet they did what they wanted to do. This is hearsay, y'all.
Tim Hortons told them to do what they wanted to do.
>> This is hearsay, y'all. This is This is the state being totally unprepared. Not only did the state admit to not having ever known of a of a restaurant so powerful that they >> hold on. Not even having even witnessed such a restaurant. Now he going to make up I am >> and I just want the court the court to you know acknowledge that you know to notice that >> he going to make up company policies about a restaurant in which he wasn't even aware exist.
>> My bad brother my bad. He said I missed this super chat just pulled up.
>> He says nothing like nothing like working a minimum wage job and dealing with hostile customers.
the >> And you know what? It probably is a minimum wage job. I don't know that for sure because I've never uh stopped at a Tim Hort restaurant. I've never heard of this restaurant. Never paid attention to this restaurant. If I've driven past it, I didn't even pay attention to the fact that I've driven past it.
>> But I am going to say even if this is a minimum wage job, and I don't know that for sure because I don't know anything about this restaurant. Even if it is a minimum wage job, >> y'all, you got to stop this. You got to stop. You got to stop this. He is using He is using super chats and he's using chat a filibuster. Your >> honor as a filibuster tactic. You don't see this.
>> Roger. You can't use super chats to filibuster. They all come out right chill out with that one. Okay.
Your >> honor. Your honor. May I ask you a question? May I ask you a question, your honor?
>> Yes, you may. Yes, you may.
>> Are we in criminal court or are we in civil court?
>> I would say this is more of a civil case cuz I don't I don't see any evidence of murder.
>> My client is being my my client is being accused of murder.
>> Yeah. And I don't think we I don't they haven't >> This is criminal court. This is criminal court. The point I'm trying to make is the point I'm trying to make is this.
Why are we talking about workplace policy in criminal court?
>> Yes, you you ask.
>> If you don't like the rules that the workplace put forth to deal with IRA customers, go sue them in civil court, please. We're in criminal court and let's stay focused on that. My client is >> a ain't no and ain't no ain't nobody charge nobody a waffle house.
>> If a person doesn't want to work at their job because they may have to deal with a disgruntled employee, they just should get a different job.
Now, I'm gonna read this claim in from Chef Mike. Chef Mike asked me to read this. He says, "Uh, I have an objection, Yiana. I object to the Roger live trolling the Roger live. I am not sure eyes. I am not sure as he is looking for the video looking at that video." Oh, okay. I'm not sure what eyes he is looking at that video with. uh uh you know uh object to that.
I mean at the end of the day the woman the the two women literally come from behind the counter. Now one woman not the 17-year-old but the manager is being the aggressor beating this old lady onto the right side of the of the of the footage.
>> The motherly beats her to the right side of the footage.
>> Objection.
>> Objection. The aggression came from black. She doesn't deserve any justice.
Is that's what's going on in this >> side the restaurant.
>> The aggression that dark side >> ordering after the dark side goes. We got one we got somebody else coming in.
He need to change his name >> before he gets um put up on the stand.
But definitely yeah, we got one more person coming in. So dark side. Aggre the aggression started in the driveway.
There was there was apparently admittedly an argument in the drive-thru. So the aggression started in the drive-thru. The the employees are in the restaurant. The customers outside.
Is he talking?
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. If you can't assume he's not talking, but uh >> Oh, wow. Wow. Uh, we we do have another guest. Uh, >> this is >> I hate to tell you this, >> Shark.
>> This is what we doing.
>> I mean, uh, excuse me. Detective Sims is the judge in this particular case, my brother.
>> So, >> so you can't So, you can't hear me.
>> There's an issue with your name that he's making an issue with. I'm going to give him the the the right to do that because he is the judge for today for being the first one up. So, uh, >> no, he could rock. He could rock with the name. I ain't gonna beat you. I ain't gonna be better. He know we gonna do our damn thing.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, shout out to I can't see the whole thing. Nicks ain't doing I'm gonna say nothing. I ain't cursing. Nicks ain't doing nothing in and I can't see the rest in the finals.
>> All right. Well, present your case.
Goddamn it. He already came in here with that ball stuff.
>> So So my Knicks ain't doing nothing in the finals. Roger, please introduce him.
>> Anti- Nicks fan.
>> How you doing? Nicks ain't Nicks ain't doing nothing in the finals.
>> Judge Sims >> Judge Sims. He's definitely on Rogers side with a name like that.
>> Makes sense.
>> He's definitely on Roger's side with a name like that. Definitely on Roger side.
>> But let's let's hear him out. Let's hear him out. Nicks ain't doing nothing.
>> I'm going to give my opening statement.
I'm going to give my statement.
>> I don't hear him and I'm not playing.
You don't hear him? You can't hear me?
>> He's speaking?
>> Yeah, I hear.
>> No, I can't I can't hear him. Who's speaking right now?
>> Okay, maybe that's me. Okay, my bad. My bad.
>> I can't I can't hear nobody. Um >> Black He ain't talk yet. I don't hear [ __ ] >> So, Nick, I'm gonna please give my opening statement.
>> Okay, maybe let's get uh Batty Starks Enterprises in then.
>> No, you No, I'm talking.
Roger, it might be you. If you don't hear him, I hear him.
>> Okay. All right. Well, I'mma dip and come back. Must be me.
>> Roger. Can't hear nobody. He talking over everybody today, man. He can't hear nobody.
>> All right. Can I can I can I go >> do your thing?
>> I appreciate it. So, first and foremost, man, please the court opening statement is as follows. So, first of all, I would like to give condolences to the family of the elderly woman at 70 years old. You know, it's really a shame that people don't respect that age because being the el she's an elderly woman, not even a senior. She's elderly.
I mean, she's probably older than some patches of dirt somewhere.
>> And at that age, you should be able to do what you want to do. If you want to walk butt naked down the road at 75, you have earned that right. when I get some I'm doing cocaine in an orgy in front of a Tim Hortons. So >> at the end of the day, you have that right. But ladies and gentlemen, we what you don't have a right to do is hit a hoe like Mike Tyson Punch Out because when she gave her that right hook, her her head went up and her mouth open up like she was a a glass Joe in round one.
Now, >> did did the the white man the white woman did push her, but the white woman didn't physically harm her.
>> Copy.
>> The senior woman replied with a right hook and chin like she was uh like uh uh Mac and Mike Tyson Punch Out.
And then the white woman responded or the white young woman respond. Now ladies and gentlemen, I can't say this is I can't say that this was murder. And at the end of the day, are we really going to erase a 20-year-old white woman's potential over some [ __ ] >> Hold on. You can't you can't use that word in the court. You could just >> some black woman.
>> There you go. Thank >> me. Excuse me.
>> I'm running my plane right now. I'm running my plane right now. So, at the end of the day, as much as I appreciate this 70-y old woman and I'm going to be whing out if I can make it to 75. I'm doing I'm I'm I'm sniffing stuff off of titties. And I might even start licking women's butt like Bron do right now. But at the end of the day, >> lay you playing. Lay your playing. Hurry up, man.
>> At the end of the day, >> she was she she the white woman was defending herself.
It can't be murder.
>> Gotcha.
>> Your honor. Your honor, can I say this right quick?
>> Yeah. We got another person. We got another person. This 75 year old, she's not an elder. That's a [ __ ] That's an old [ __ ] That's not That's not That's not elderly conduct. You want to squabble because your order got messed up. That's that that's not elderly conduct.
>> That's behavior.
>> [ __ ] is permissible in court. I'll give you that. Next person >> after after the person.
>> Copy. Granted.
>> Hey y'all. Thanks for having me up.
Well, I don't live the [ __ ] line steppers Jay.
>> I I got to put my tempo coupon on here on Tuesday. Um, say this is a situation where the elderly lady, she she placed the order in drive-thru and maybe the the young lady that was taking the order, the white young white girl that was taking the order was not paying attention because I've experienced that a lot early in the morning. They don't pay attention.
and get your order wrong and then get mad at you with their forms of disrality as if you were wrong for correcting them.
She might have had that complex, but Granny was already pumped up. Granny adrenaline already flowing when she goes into the restaurant. But she didn't have to step behind the counter. She could have she could have made her approach.
But if you want to get belligerent, she could have did it from the door like B.
I told you my order wrong and you going to get it right or you're going to give me a refund or I need to see a supervisor. I need to see a manager. Put them on the phone.
Y'all got cell phones. Y'all got numbers to call folks. I need I can't get my situation satisfied. I need to talk to your superior. She should have never really approached them. And then also they shouldn't have put their hands on her. You know when as you get older people have a t tendency to not keep a good center of balance. And who say who's to say? Granny probably was trying to get her stuff right to take some medicine. Mhm. But maybe some Tourette's and probably did catch a blue streak in there. But there's recordings of the drive-thru order. So, we would have to know that evidence will have to be introduced as far as what was said on that drive-thru order to prompt her to even go into the restaurant or coffee shop. And then the other thing was where the hell was the cops this early morning at 8:15? They on shift already. They should be prepared to go get a donut and some coffee. I'm sorry that little stereotype out there, but I land my plane there. Thanks for having me up, y'all. Yeah.
>> Well, to address the case of center of gravity, you got to have a good center of gravity to throw a right hook like grandma did >> that cuz that thing was vicious.
>> [ __ ] throw a knockout.
>> Shout out to Trail Bentley. I appreciate the 57 cent Trail Bentley tax as well.
He said civil restitution is often only the re the the only recourse for justice when criminal cases are ambiguous left to the that's left to the discretion of the prosecutors.
I I said they're horrible but left to the discretion of the prosecutors. Okay.
>> You been you've been speaking horribly all day.
>> Not at all. Not at all.
Shout out to Black Strikes. He says in a criminal case they are going to site code policy well company policy because employees are agents of the company. The policy may be used to judge the to judge a degree of criminality. And of course the the policy is going to say you do not touch customers. The policy is going to say that. We we know that for sure.
The policy is going to say we do not touch the customers. So, I just want to say um these people are working on their own. They're not supposed to be touching customers. Anyone who has a job knows you do not touch the patrons of the job you happen to have. Whether it's in the restaurant business or any other kind of business, it is not company policy to beat up and kill custom.
>> Your honor, I like to point out and your Hold on.
Go ahead.
>> Hold on.
With some evidence >> that's going to win this case.
>> They They came from left to right. The The older woman, 75 years old, did not go from right to left. They went from left to right. They are clearly the aggressors.
>> All right, Darkstyle. Before you submit the evidence, I do want to say this, your honor. Once again, procedurally speaking and legally speaking, company policy does not supersede state law.
Okay? So, if they want to sue the company based off of their policy and their employee not listening to that policy, they're going to have to do that in the civil court. For the sake of civil for the sake of criminal court, we are here to defend my client against the murder charge that is being charged against them by the state.
>> Agreed. Agreed. I Well, I I like I like to answer this new evidence. I believe Rowdy Shouted was uh a Knicks fan cuz the Knicks are finally back in the finals bringing great basketball back to the NBA once again. And after they win the finals from burrow to burrow to burrow to burrow all the way to Time Square going to be the rowdiest party the world has ever seen. Trust me. Riley Shotty was just kicking it off first.
>> I land my plane now.
>> She's too dead to see the outcome. And I'm gonna say uh I have an objection because Bron is throwing stuff out there as if it matters. And he's saying something that it doesn't matter. The only thing you get to do is defend yourself. There was never a defense that needed to be mounted because grandma did not go from right to left on the screen.
The employees went from left to right.
They were the aggressors. They moved toward her direction. She did not she did not move toward their direction.
They came from the partition. She did not. They were the aggressor. So he keeps insinuating or implying some nonsense as if this elderly woman who was 75 years old aggressively attacked the twoon-one situation. She did not attack this twoon-one situation. Number one, she was outnumbered and she's old.
Why would she be the aggressor? Plus, the aggressor is a person coming towards you, not the person backing away. And as the footage shows, only one person backed up.
>> Yeah, the lady that got punched in the face.
Your honor, please please please forgive the uh prosecuting team for their failure to read state statute because if they read the state statute, it specifically say that my client does not have a duty to retreat.
So why are we even talking about who backed up and who didn't?
>> A duty to retreat implies that you are not the aggressor.
My client was not the aggressor.
>> They went from left to right on that screen. They were the clear aggressor.
>> The aggressor car walked into the fast food spot and approached my client.
>> So Bron Bron is trying to say customer can't even address a fast food restaurant for messing up their order.
That's literally what he's arguing at.
>> They can get a number. They can get a number and they can call a manager like a normal person. She literally talked to the manager killed her.
>> No, Roger. I don't know about that one.
>> The lady The lady who got between them, they say that's the manager. The manager killed her.
>> Now, it may not be a convenient situation, but it is the situation.
>> Your honor, the order was placed outside. Hold on. the place. Before you say that, shout out to Trail Bentley for the super chat. He says, "Mansslaughter manslaughter is not murder."
Okay. Shout out to you, Mr. Billy, and thank you for the 57 cent trail tax.
Appreciate Appreciate you.
>> The order was placed outside. Had the employee went outside to face off with the with the customer or to confront the customer, then the employee would have been the aggressor. But the employee after placing their order came inside to escalate the situation.
>> She's the aggressor.
>> I like to add, your honor, that if I'm having trouble with the manager themselves, >> my next step is to talk to their superior. My next step is to talk to their superior, not to try to fight the man. And that's what I believe a reasonable person would do in their situation unless they want to escalate a situation and they want to engage in physical contact with someone.
>> Great. That's a great point.
>> But we do we do realize this is a rowdy shy.
>> They don't operate.
And I I like to say if you ain't a Knicks fan, you ain't a basketball fan.
>> I I agree with that. He trying to He Thank you for the flowers and the donut.
I appreciate that.
>> Uh that's what we do here at Tim Horton.
That's what we do.
>> Now, obviously the the the uh the council is trying >> bury people too at 10.
your barrier look past that. You know, I'mma look past that. At the end of the day, it is proper for a person to address a restaurant at the restaurant they're in. If you if you are in the drive-thru, you do not hold up the entire drive-thru line. No, you go inside. That is the proper thing to do.
You could have just sat there at the drive-thru and stopping the the business from even getting business like an a-hole. or you could just park your vehicle and go inside like you have some sense. And that's what the woman did.
Unfortunately, she met the death squad when she got there. She wasn't expecting to meet the death squad. She wasn't trying to go see the Lord on that day. I'm sure she wanted to see the Lord at some point in time, but I don't think she was looking to see the Lord on that day, especially at no Tim Hortons restaurant. Who wants to die in a restaurant?
>> What was her intent? What was her intent? Leave with that right hook.
>> We We got We got folks who are arguing that this old lady went into the restaurant to die, which was clearly not the case. She was simply upset about the order, address the order. The manager wouldn't even tell the young lady to step to the back or anything like that.
She was happy with her being aggressive with her. This was we're jumping this old lady. Did she address Did she address the order before or after the right hook?
>> Did she address it before or after the right hook?
>> Jumped her. They jumped her.
>> No. No. Well, I just want to be clear.
Did she address the order before she threw the right hook or after?
>> The right The right hook happened because they jumped her.
>> No, Roger. Come on. That was not shown in the evidence that was submitted.
Your honor, I I I would say the state doesn't even have proper counsel because chronologically he can't even understand what happened here. Riley Sher came in there, you know, and set up like Roy Jones and through, you know, Captain Hook. I mean, what what what we talking about?
>> She said, "You better watch for the hook."
If they didn't start none, it wouldn't have been none.
As the v as the video shows, she went there and she talked. She stayed on one side of that partition the entire time and then they start pushing her.
They move forward. Now she has the right to push them off them as they are going toward her cuz that's what happened.
They touched her and start moving up toward her. That's a person going to fight you.
>> Let's be realistic.
We still going to allow who is going to allow someone yelling at them already touching them and moving at them to get them and get >> and do whatever to them.
>> We still need clarity. Did she address the problem before or after she started the fight with the right hook?
>> She didn't start the fight with the right hook. The fight was start The fight was started when the people behind the petition decided to go beyond the petition and start pushing on her.
>> I think she was defending herself because she realized they was they was hopped up on espresso and probably being belligerent. She said, "I need to bring my slavery arm for this one."
No, no. The thing is, y'all need to look at Y'all need to really look at this video. She's on one side of the petition. She's not trying. Now, the lady start pushing her. After she pushed her, she moved up in her face again as she was coming on the other side of the partition. The lady was literally going to beat her up.
>> And the old lady defended herself and they just didn't expect it. So, they killed her. Man, this this this this this is this is uh Miss Cely fighting Ho, man. Come on, man. This this woman came in there already.
>> Your honor. Your honor. Your honor, can I ask you a question?
>> Before you ask this question, we got a super chat. We got a super chat. Uh shout out to Black Strikes. Appreciate you, my brother. Appreciate you. He says, "There are violations of company policy led to an encounter whereby an elderly woman died." the most definitely there's well there's most definitely relevance of a in a criminal case that well that is most definitely relevant in a criminal case and I'm going to say yeah there was criminal activity a foot they literally killed this lady >> I'm going to change the question that I asked you I'm going to change the question that I as okay if it's workplace policy for me not to have my firearm inside of the and I'm working a shift and someone comes in on my shift with the firearm and starts shooting up the place.
I violated work policy, but I ran and grabbed my gun to neutralize the threat.
>> Okay, >> this is why this is why this is why company policy does not supersede state law. Yes, it might have violated company policy to bring that gun in there, right?
I could get fired from my job for that because they told me I'm not supposed to have a gun in there.
But can they then go to the state and get me charged by the state for defending the other lives if someone comes in there with a gun and I just happen to have my gun?
Yeah, you actually you can if we want to be realistic. Yes, they can.
>> And I'm going to say that when it comes down to it, he's still trying to present it as if as if they didn't attack the lady. The lady didn't touch them. They touched her. They literally attacked her.
>> Period.
>> They came right that partition to attack her.
>> You saying the right defended herself?
So you saying the right hook that started the fight didn't land? That's what you said.
>> No, no. What I'm saying is the right hook was defense cuz they were coming from beyond the partition. It's clearing the video.
>> Defens She does not She does not offensive, sir.
>> She does not have to retreat. They're the ones coming from behind the partition. She ain't going back there.
They coming up out from from the back.
She walked in the She walked in the restaurant and started engaging in arguments to a restaurant to walk in.
>> She advanced from the parking lot to inside the restaurant with a problem she had at the drive had already developed >> which she's allowed to do. And no, the problem is better when they got an order wrong. That's what the >> and she led and she led the conversation with a right hook.
>> Uh, shout out to Perfect Timing podcast.
He says, >> "Yeah, >> have been punished for speak, excuse me, blacks have been punished for speaking.
They were upset that she even spoke."
Okay. And you know, that wasn't even the one I I wanted to to to highlight. That was an accident. Uh, it was something else. Perfect timing said that, you know, uh, what was it? Uh when when is a black person allowed to be angry without the punishment of death? This is unique to black. Shout out to Perfect Time Pocket. That's what I meant to highlight, brother. That's what I meant to highlight. Which I which it seems like these other gentlemen believe that [ __ ] is always the answer when you're black. That's what they're arguing.
Death is always the proper answer when you're black. When you when you black, they get to come from behind and kind of to whoop you and you supposed to just take >> now it's not enough that she dead.
>> They think she wasn't even supposed to try to defend herself.
>> Your honor, while my heart while my heart does go out to the elderly lady who lost her life and her family, emotions are not on trial here. Okay, >> I agree. whether or not my client violated Indiana Code 35.
That is what's on trial. So, if there's emotional burden or any um um um punitive damages that you want to seek, once again, that is a place for the or civil court.
That is not what we are here for right now.
>> The woman literally came from behind the counter to whoop her. Why are you talking about feeling your client? Your client literally parked her car after having an argument in the drive-thru and then walked into the building and continued that argument and walked to the partition that she went to address it where she she went to address it where she should address, which is she parked her car instead of trying to hold up the whole restaurant.
>> They were in fullblown argument mode when she got out of her car and walked into the building.
>> You're literally making that up cuz there's no footage of that. Well, when you look at this when you look at this footage, >> has there been any audio submitted as evidence to the courtroom?
>> No, it hasn't. But when you look at the footage and you look at just look at this picture that we looking at right now on the screen, if you was addressing the problem the correct way, you would be standing in front of the napkin holder in the register. It is literally aggression to come around to that partition.
Well, I do I do want to acknowledge the partition. And ain't this a heck of a picture? Notice how the partition is being opened up toward the lobby of the restaurant. Not the only way it opens.
>> Not the partition being open from the lobby toward the people in the back.
>> That's That's the only way it opens, y'all. That's the only way it open.
>> Cuz it swings.
>> No, that's the only way it opens.
>> No, no, no. The the the the customer swings. The partition opens.
Let's be clear. Let's be clear what's going on here. Now, the most important the most important question of all, your honor, >> five or six, >> cuz I don't know. This is This is like unorganized. So, I want to say something.
>> Let's review the facts.
Fact number one, daughter was messed up.
Fact number two, the woman comes in waving her finger, yelling at yelling at the supervisor. Fact number three, >> Becky, too. Called Becky.
>> Number three, the the then the the woman start yelling at the other woman. Fact number four, the supervisor steps in front. Deescalate the situation.
>> Yes. Fact number five, the woman put her hands in front to again deescalate the situation. Fact number six, elderly woman slips on brass knuckles and then went to work.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Honor, I just reviewed the police.
>> So, so how is this how is this murder when she was defending herself? Because once she took the right hook from Little Mac, right, when once that black woman put everybody in the Mike Tyson Punch Out video game, how is this anything but self-defense?
>> Now, yeah, I'm going to say respect respectfully, I just reviewed the footage, the partition swings in both directions. Like I said, notice even though it swings in both direction, it is swinging outward toward the lobby instead of inward toward the back where people were. So, it's clear that the aggression was coming from the left side of the screen to the right side because they wanted to kill grandma. Now, I now I don't know why they wanted to kill grandma, but that's what they wanted to do and they got the job done. It's not even a mystery on did they want to kill her cuz they killed her. You see what I'm saying? I only have to think, did they really want to kill her? Cuz she did. If she didn't die, I would have to guess did they want to kill her or not. But since she's dead, that's not even a question. Yes, they wanted to kill her. And again, there was no deescalation at all because if there was a deescalation, the manager would have sent the employee away. There was no deescalation. That manager was making sure numbers were on her side.
>> I I can agree. Um, ain't doing nothing in the finals.
>> This is this is false information. First of all, when white people want to kill a black person, a black person going to be swinging in a tree. This woman ain't swinging in a tree or you get shot, >> right?
>> Or you get shot. Neither. Neither. So if when white people want to kill, that's what we see. So, so the other side is just gaslighting the jury because they know they don't have a case. She came in angry. She came in waving her >> as black women do. As black women do.
>> And at the end of the day, she came in punching.
She punched first.
>> Yeah. I your hana, when have you ever known a black woman to be nonaggressive?
That's the real issue here. What we really talking about? When have you ever witnessed a non-aggressive black woman anywhere at any time in this country?
And see, and that's the problem. They are trying to use what other people did against this particular woman.
>> Can I say this right quick?
>> Hold on. That granny made me do it. Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> Well, the the the good thing is her family finally going to be able to get that life insurance money. I think that's a good outcome.
>> Yeah, she'll get paid. But don't warn a white don't put a woman in jail for defending herself. She's going to get paid.
>> Okay.
>> All right. Now I'm gonna say don't >> your honor. Your honor, >> can I say this really fast?
>> Don't ruin the bl Don't bl because of >> So, so, so here's the thing, your honor, and if you will, could I could I please site at least two major cases that we know of involving stand your ground?
>> Could I admit that into the court, your honor?
>> Yes. Yes, you may.
>> Okay. So, we have a situation where we had a Michael Brown and a Darren Wilson at one point.
Story is kind of similar, right? Because we're talking about a partition that was separating them at the time. That was the police officer's door, right?
>> Yep.
>> Now, it was stated that Michael Brown reached his arm into the vehicle in between him and the officer and began to strike the officer.
at a force that the officer said at a force that the officer stated.
>> Do we have to do that >> or is that just speculation?
>> I'm just using I'm just using it to to site other cases. I asked the uh judge permission.
>> We're talking about speculation though.
>> But you're we have no audio. We're all speculating. Correct.
>> Are you the judge?
>> Are you Are you the judge?
>> We have I asked the I asked the >> Are you the judge or you are you still filering? I asked, was there any audio that was permitted into the courtroom up to this point and there was none. So, we're all kind of speculating on what was said, who was the aggressor. And so, now I'm trying to cite other cases that gives us some clarification of what might happen and what the outcome of those cases were. Is that fair?
>> That'd be fair.
>> He's using speculation for speculation.
>> Objection. Are you are you telling the judge how to run his his his >> I'm asking question his bench how to run his bench.
>> No, you you challenging the judge ruling. That's what I'm saying. Ask the question.
>> I object your honor. I have other information. I have another video that shows the the whole interaction >> how the 75year-old lady, she came in.
There was someone already at the Tim Hortons.
She tried to approach from the left side which is we don't see this in the partition because go further back to the left it wraps around like a L and she waited for about three to five minutes before she was even addressed. I mean not the the other customer was gone. She went from one right next to the customer to the partition the glass partition to I get attention again. So she basically spent all this time trying to get attention. The soup the manager is the one coming up popping off as we can see in the video.
And this lady, she she she didn't come in hot. She just sash on in you know all that like you know somebody full from you know after having church meal and try to get the situation you know handled. But, you know, that's enough time for the employees. Uh, what's this broad doing here? That's the one that was in the drive-thru, you know, and that, oh, we didn't get an order, right? And then the person actually took her order was another skinny chick. She the one with the headset on. So, I guess she was coming in to address the fact that the information wasn't dissed right from the person wearing the headset to the person making the order.
And now she's dead.
A whole lot of guessing going on y I'm watching the video actually watching that video the video 27 >> 27 news w k >> yes brother there's actual footage I didn't put all that in there but there's footage of it brother there's footage you know at the end of the day the employees were supposed to dees deescalating they decided to escalate and they tried to get the numbers on their So this lady can get jumped and that's just what it is. Now I'm going to say shout out to Black Strikes for the super chat. Thank you very much my brother. Thank you very much y'all. Now listen y'all. This is your elder talking >> story.
Hold on. He's black strike says seriously all jokes aside. Do we really want to foster an environment where white people feel empowered to attack old black people in Trump's America? I think that's very legitimate questions and I'm gonna say I believe the answer is no. And based on the footage shown, I don't understand how we can't see that this old lady got jumped.
>> Well, your honor, your honor, your honor, this has become a trial of emotions and perspectives.
>> Of emotions, perspectives, and race baiting. I could agree.
I don't understand how it can be a trial of emotion when we physically see they aggress her. We physically see that.
What the emotions got to do with this?
>> She threw the first she literally threw the first aggressive. She >> was the first aggressor.
>> The the fight had already started when she threw her punch.
>> No. If she >> No, no. I mean, think go look at the footage and look how they're already pushing her and coming out from behind that partition. the fight started. The old lady was just fast enough, luckily for her, but then still unluckily, because she still end up getting killed.
Luckily for her, it didn't go as bad as we thought it would have went because she responded to the attack.
If you look at the footage, you clearly see them attacking her. She's being pushed while they're coming out from behind the partition. The fight started already.
Now, is am I the only person that saw that?
>> Yes.
>> What what I saw what I saw from my because we have no audio. What I saw was my client try to push the lady back from her because the lady was pretty close.
Now, you bring up the partition as if that's really relevant because there wasn't a lot of distance between the client >> and the elderly lady.
She was she was close enough to swing and push her top back.
>> So but so what you're saying is the restaurant manager could have moved back and didn't.
>> What? No. No. No. No. No. That's what it sound like you just said.
>> Without retreat. Without retreat.
>> She didn't She wasn't under attack.
>> She had no duty.
>> She was She wasn't under attack. She wasn't under attack. But you know who was under attack?
>> She got attacked. She didn't behind the pushed her.
If you look at the footage, they pushed her as they were crossing that partition. They started to fight. Your honor, >> well, the prosecution is very animate. The prosecution forgets one thing.
The woman had her finger in the other in the white woman's face.
The white woman was pushing her away so that the object would not poke her in the eye.
>> They're not listening.
>> White woman was the aggressor from the start. Coming over, walking onto the side, not being behind the cash register, but walking around to the side of petition. Yes.
>> Putting a finger in the woman's face.
And a woman's natural reaction as anyone's natural reaction is to push someone away from you that's in that has their finger in your face.
Okay. And I I want to say even if move that is a defense move, not an aggression move. But aggression move would have been the right hook to the chin.
>> I'm going to say even if you believe that nonsense, at the end of the day, there was nothing going on but them wanting to set up to attack her because they had the entire back to walk away from that. The lady had all that space.
There was no one was there to stop them from backing up if they thought the lady was too close to them. No, they wanted to be >> That also happened. That also happened.
>> No, they never backed up.
>> Yes, it did. Yes, it did. Because once the lady got put once the manager pushed the lady away, then the then the black lady started to get in the other woman's face and the supervisor pushed the employee back. So there's your step back and got in a way >> and then pushed that and then she pushed that 75 year old.
>> So So then, so at the end of the day, at the end of the day, the employees were showing submission and retreat. The employees were showing submission and retreat.
>> Not by pushing the 75y old. up. One of the employee pushed the other employee behind, stepped in stepped in the middle to deescalate the situation. And then she put her fingers in her hand and then she gave a natural reaction. And then after that natural reaction, the black the the the 70-year-old decided to say, "You know what? It's punch time. It's >> Can I can I um read read this letter that was submitted to the court?" Um, Shandika Grayson claims, "Anita, that is not a weak and fragile woman. That is the same aggressive aggression she took out on my mom and aunt for years."
>> Ah, there you go.
>> I have I don't understand what what that has to do with this case at all. A case is about what happened at the particular point in time is something happened, not something that happened in yesterday. We are we are we are establishing a pattern of behavior.
>> Yes, we are.
>> No, I'm not.
>> Your honor, can I address the race baiting?
>> If you go to trial, it's supposed to be about what you did. Damn. Roger. Roger.
Your outburst will not be tolerated any long. You got two more be in content.
>> Your honor, your honor.
>> Thank you, honor.
>> Here's the situation. Now, about the race. Do we want to create a war a world in Trump's America? Number one, Trump is gone in two days. Number two, she's going to get in civil court. This woman will get her money. Her family will get this money where everybody can light up splits, do a little bit of cocaine, go to a strip club, and have a great time.
Justice will be rendered. But however, this is not justice for a woman to defend herself in the midst of of a just of a high rate customer because what you're setting the president for is this customers can now walk up establishment and start punching people.
I agree. Roger.
Look, the only thing that happened here was that the woman who should have been in control and sent the employee back, the manager didn't do it. And the manager literally pushed the old lady as she was coming on the into the lobby area. It is on foot. She's literally pushing the old lady as she's entering the lobby area. That is called aggression. And the woman simply defended herself, which I understand a lot of y'all may be surprised that this 75year-old woman would defend herself and acting like she shouldn't have the right to do so. There was only one person to stand their ground, which was the 75 year old woman because she did not create the physical education. They literally did that because it is clear as she came out to partition, she put her hands on the lady and start pushing her back. She literally made it physical.
>> Yeah. Your your your honor your honor. Roger report is right because at the end of the day the employer the the employees were the ones who who attacked first.
>> Your honor. Your honor. Your honor. Your honor. Could you please hold on?
>> Could you please have the prosecuting team >> answer those question after he's done?
>> Yes. I got you. It's your statement.
Please. So, so, so at the end of the day, you can't do that. I've been in situation with customers and you cannot just be taught to violence um like this because you have to consider once she's a 75 year old. Yeah. You have to consider the age um and their prop their protocols where she could they could have called the police and it's simple. If you if you have an if you if there is a situation as a manager there's a situation where a customer is looking thing the first thing you you do you let the customer know that the police will be called >> she didn't know how old she was before she got there >> she didn't know how old she was before she got there why why they got to consider >> she got beat from the left side of the screen to the right side of the screen period I mean what more do you Well, I'm going to say if this if this was a white woman, I don't think that they would have done this.
>> Well, my thing is regardless of who's involved, regardless of the ages involved, when you come from behind a partition, putting your hands on somebody else, physically pushing them, attempting to knock them down. Guess what? If you're the person being pushed, you are in a fight. And they are saying that this old lady who was forced into a fight should not defend herself. This is ridiculous. She's the only one that had her ground to stand.
>> We don't know what she said. We don't know. We don't We don't know. We don't know.
>> Let me Let me just add to what Roger said.
>> What What And what I'm saying is not a guess. It's on footage.
>> Yeah, I know. What I'm saying is self-defense means um you react to defend yourself. You don't attack. So So it's past self-defense. So self-defense, they didn't try to put her into a restraining position or do one shot.
They they did multiple shots.
>> That is not what self-defense is. Okay?
You can you can for self-defense. If someone is attacking you, you don't you don't have to sit there and guess at what level they're trying to attack you at.
Okay, >> if if I if I push you >> if I push you, well, you're physically being pushed back.
>> Are you being attacked or not?
>> Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this question.
>> Hold on. Before you ask, I'm asking you if I put my hands on you where I'm pushing you back, am I attacking you?
Yes or no?
>> Who's drunk first?
>> Who is the aggressor? who employ to answer Roger's question, that is not an attack. If you come up in someone's face and they push you back out of their face, that is not them attacking you.
You literally have started the attack by getting in a person's face. You do have something that is granted to you called personal space.
And since has been implemented into our lives, >> yeah, the push happened, but then the the punches came.
>> No, you could maybe say self-defense because the finger in the face after that, >> your honor, could you please could you please have the opposing uh council answer a question for me? Please >> present your question.
>> Who was the first person that was pushed?
>> The old lady >> in the video. No. No. No. No. No, no, no, no. There was someone who was pushed before the old lady. Remember?
>> You talking about when the manager pushed the the employee?
>> Yes.
>> Exactly. So, the manager pushes the employee back out.
>> She wanted first deals. She wanted first deals >> in an attempt to protect >> her employee.
>> No, she didn't. She was trying to protect the employee.
in an attempt to protect her employee from an expensive lady who walked into the store and started putting her finger in people's face and yelling at them and possibly cussing at them. We don't know.
We have we don't have the audio, right?
>> First of all, that's not criminal activity noise.
>> Listen, listen. The manager steps in, pushes her employee out of the way to try to address the matter herself, and then pushes the lady back to try to create some more distance between her employees and this lady as a response to the manager pushing the lady back to create space. The lady then punches the manager, punches the manager full swing in the face.
>> That's not accurate.
>> That That's accurate. A a manager A manager trying to create space a manager trying to create space would have told her employee that has to answer to her to go to the back. That's how you create space as a manager. So she was not trying to create space. What she was doing was trying to be the aggressor and she wanted to be the one to get the first lick in.
All she had to do was tell that employee to go sit down somewhere and she did not do that when she could have gone back to the back. You know what I'm saying? She could have went to back to where they hang up their coat. She could have went She could have sent that employee to the area that no one's allowed to go in. Not that people in the lobby is allowed to come past the lobby anyway. And not that the old lady ever made a move to try to get beyond the lobby. They came from the back into the lobby as they were pushing her. And your honor, once again, this is why it's very relevant to state again for the record that Tim Horton is not being civily sued in this matter. My client is being charged for manslaughter.
>> Okay.
>> But Well, the thing is that's not true because it's still new and anything happened up to this point.
>> Well, but if if Tim Horton is going to be charged with anything, it will be in a civil court for punitive damage. I mean, that's that's your guess >> because they're employed because their employee failed to uh adhere to company policy. As for the criminal cases, uh, however, under Indiana code, my client has the right to defend herself.
>> Yes.
>> And that's what she was doing.
>> And she was not attacked. She came out from behind the counter to attack that old lady. She had >> came out came out to deescalate the situation by the fact that she pushed her employee out of the way first. No, if she wanted to deescalate, if she wanted to deescalate the situation, she would have sent the the employee to the back, which she did not do.
>> Your honor, >> speak please.
>> Okay, listen.
The customer came from outside to inside to attack the employees.
That is the truth.
The the story doesn't start at the petition. The story starts at the drive-thru and the employees were inside the building. The customer was outside the building. The customer came inside the building to attack the employees. And that is factual because we see it when she came when she comes up to them putting her finger in their faces, yelling at them.
>> This is absolutely self-defense.
Yeah.
>> Well, honestly, that that's not true.
The the woman came in the restaurant calmly and cooly, you know. I Now, no, she actually did cuz >> she did. She actually did. She actually did. That's not even a joke. She did come in the restaurant literally calmly and cooly. It took them a while to address her. And at the end of the day, she did the proper thing, not hold up the drive-thru like some kind of a-hole just cuz she had a problem with her order. She parked her vehicle and walked in there to address the problem like a person should do.
>> No, she she parked because she wanted to start punching.
>> If she wanted to start punching, she would have went in there punching instead of only punching when she was getting pushed.
>> She did.
>> That's not typically how someone who wants to actually land a punch on someone about doing it.
>> No push until she was under attack.
>> No punch matter until she was >> She's the only one that threw a punch.
She's the only one throwing punches. No, >> nobody else threw a punch.
>> When they was on the floor, punches were thrown. The thing is, they pushed her all the way across and because the lady started defending herself, which I can understand people could be shocked that this 75 year old lady started defending herself, but that does not mean she don't have the right to do it just cuz she's 75. And that's how this is being addressed. Because she's 75, she don't get to defend herself.
So, I guess self-defense is only for young people.
No, you it doesn't even if you're 75, you're allowed to start a fight. She started a fight.
>> She She was being pushed to the floor.
The ladies tried to push her to the floor and she started punching. I see no problem with that at all.
>> Your honor. Your honor, I'm going to I'm going to uh just leave you with this.
The prosecution from their own word says if you ain't getting if you don't have a husband, then you deserve to get what you get.
Her husband is not there.
So according to his own words, she's deserve to get what she get.
>> She's uncovered.
>> She's unruly.
>> That's strong. That's strong right there. That's strong.
>> Let me not a part of the case.
>> Let me let me let me address this.
>> Hold on before you address it. Before you address it, shout out to Trail Bentley. Appreciate the super chat, my brother. I appreciate the 57 cent trailbelly tax.
He says, "Roger, and you think more negroes should be on jury."
Hey, this is not the time and the place, Mr. Bentley. This is not the time nor the place.
All right. Go ahead, brother. Go ahead.
>> Even Even Even the chat is calling Roger out right now. Come on.
>> No, they not. Yo, ROGER SAID CALLING Y'ALL OUT.
THAT'S CALLING Y'ALL OUT. He said, "Do I think people like y'all should be on juries?"
>> Okay, let let me let me let me ask y'all this. Y'all personally, have you ever had to deal with your order being wronged before?
>> Yes.
>> I never had to hit somebody over it.
>> Uu be wrong all the time.
>> Okay.
How many time How many How many time did you either whoop somebody's ass or got your ass whooped >> because your order got wrong?
>> Zero.
>> But okay. But how many time How many time But how many time did y'all addressed it and it got fixed?
>> Okay. So, did y'all have to resort to physical violence to get >> and I and I go to the cash register to address it? I to get my money back or I get their order fixed. I don't know what she doing over there at the partition.
>> She was over there getting pushed down to the floor.
>> This is the same energy that they used to justify tearing down stores.
>> The point that same energy they felt they felt that they been wrong and that that's a justification for them to tear down stores, beat down people. We're not setting an example of customers beating employees. These employees are not being paid enough to deal with those these Klux Kishes, these unruly kishes, these people who wants to tear down everything. They are not being paid for that. If they if they feel so strong about it, they they should join the government.
>> Let me let me answer your question.
Yeah, cuz I've worked um customer services. Before you ask that question, can I just say can I just say I have never ever went to address a problem with an order and somebody tried to push me down to the floor. And just cuz they couldn't do it immediately and I got a punch off does not negate the fact that they were trying to push me down to the floor to beat me up and kill me.
>> Hey, Roger. Quick question. Are you >> This other brother had a question, brother. This other brother had a question.
>> I just have a quick question for you.
I'm I'm Are you Are you You're alone. Is everybody versus you?
>> I can take all y'all on. It ain't That's it. That's That's easy. It's like Let me Let me Let me say this. The The manager The manager handled it very poor, right? And as an employee, you're not supposed to be trying to get into that's what you call that's what you call the police for to deal with stuff, right? At no point do they attempt to call the police, which is what you're supposed to do. The minute she comes in being angry and going on and dealing with talking in an aggressive manner, you um you you let them know that the police is going to be called. If they still don't care, you call the police, right? And the the the manager should have told her to the employee if if if they were doing their job to go around the back, right? And that manager is not supposed to even touch that customer.
Let me let me let me let me let me let me tell you this.
>> Well, this to answer his question, UK Arsenal has taken the the right side with me. He's taken the right side of this with me. So, I do want to acknowledge that. But if I had to take that long by myself, it still be like work. But you can also chose the right side of this argument.
>> Shout out to him. At the end of the day, at the end of the day, if this was somebody of reasonable age, let's just say in their 20ies, you would say to them, if you're one of these people, you say, "Okay, I finish at a certain time.
Do you have a problem with me personally?" Um, whether that be I finish 7:00 at 7:00. Meet me outside.
>> So, your honor, your honor, um, uh, so, so, so, Roger, you and your arsenal, this is where you get checkmated. Your honor, we agree with the prosecution right there. They're saying that number one, it should have been in a police handbook. Number two, they should have been trained that way. Number three, it should have been the majestics. We agree with all these three things. So now this is no longer about a rogue employee, but this is about whether or not Tim Hortons is negligent or not. So now this clearly puts my client as not being a murder case but negligence on Tim Horton as not properly training their people. So therefore therefore our client should be considered um should be um let go because now this is a negligence case and no longer a um a murder case.
Checkmate.
>> Let me let me let let me address the police situation. If anything, call the police.
>> Nope.
>> Hold on. One at a time. Let Let them finish and then you go. Um Grandma did it.
>> We agree with you. We agree. We agree with you.
>> All right. Grandma did it.
>> Well, when you call the police, they can take up to 8 to 12 minutes to arrive at the scene and you got an unruly customer holding the whole place hostage. What do you do? We got close. Tim Harden be Tim Harden. It'll be three and a half, four minutes.
>> Yeah. They sell coffee and donuts.
They'll be there like y. That's all I'm saying.
>> Yeah. I mean, you see the point. You see the point? If the if the prosecution is constantly argued about Tim Horton is Tim Horton's negligence, then Tim Horton should be or represent should be on the stand, not our client. Because we we argue that the reason the the um the we argue that this is a wrongful death, not a murder case. It is a wrongful death due to Tim Horton's negligence as opposed to uh manslaughter or murder.
>> Besides, if you don't got a a Can we get a ruling on? Can we get a ruling on that?
>> Before you say that, I'm going to rebut that cuz I I think that's YOU CAN'T REBUT YOU. THIS IS YOUR ARGUMENT.
>> NO, IT'S not the argument. The argument should that the employees be charged for murder. That's what the argument is. No, we would like to move, your honor, we would like to move this case to Tim Hortons being negligent as prosecution so eloquently said how Tim Horton is responsible at every turn. This is their argument.
>> Eloquently, eloquently, >> this is their argument.
>> Beautiful.
>> Beautifully put, >> beautifully put. We literally said the employees went outside of what they were supposed to do.
>> They they didn't make that argument. We said that Tim Horton has policy that they did not adhere to. This was them trying to perpetuate a Tim Horton mob.
They a Tim Hort gang. They was on some gang culture against this old lady who came to make a No. No. Cuz it's not funny. Because the gang culture that they that they wanted to emulate or imitate or whatever, however they see this gang culture that they want to have in this restaurant, I'm pretty sure Tim Hortons did not adhere to it at all and does not endorse it in any kind of shape, way, or form. They are an international restaurant, which has come to light thanks to UK Arsenal. So, I don't think they are for this at all.
these employees decided to jump her because that's what they wanted to do.
So that employment, your honor, so now listen to the argument carefully.
Tim Horton has protocols. Tim Horton is not was not for this. So now you need to examine, did Tim Horton properly uh train these people? Because obviously they had guards in place. So if a woman dies on Tim Horton's property because of misconduct, then this is clearly wrongful death because of negligence because guards existed according to the prosecution. So can we please get a ruling?
Well, that's what I was going to bring to you guys. I want y'all to take a little five minute break going back. You smoking blunts and [ __ ] We gonna come back. We close this evening.
>> Man, we got a whole hour left. We got a whole inspired truth broadcast just came up.
>> Y'all would be a whole hour.
>> Inspired inspired truth broadcast just came up.
>> A ruling that this is no longer a murder case. Can we just we can and we can argue the specifics later, but can we can we just get it can we get it down from a murder case?
>> Definitely. I was already I had that in my judge before you say too much. There you go.
>> Why you going to keep CUTTING THE JUDGE OFF? YOU GOING TO KEEP THE >> TRUTH JUST came up.
>> You just disres first first using the N word and you just you just then you filibuster and now you cutting a judge off. This is disrespectful. YOU KNOW, YOUR HONOR, this case should be thrown out because the prosecution is just disrespectful. Just out of disrespect, we should just throw this out.
>> Amen.
>> Order of the court. God.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Inspired truth broadcast. Go and do your thing. Yes, we hear you clearly. All right. DON'T >> SEE. I couldn't tell cuz I was talking and nobody said anything. You better you better be on Roger because if you on our side, we going to murder you after because we're about to win.
>> Lord have mercy. Did you hear that, Janna? I'm just saying on the record.
>> I heard that sounds like intimidation to me.
>> It's absolut It's a promise, [ __ ] You better be on Roger T. You go on your ass.
>> I think this this young man should be in contempt. I'm just saying.
>> All right, let me come save Raj little real quick. like I want to go and get this chicken sandwich, but this chicken sandwich can wait. Um, what we have here is um we have a whole lot of elegant storytelling going on here. Like I I see a whole lot of speculation, a whole lot of Well, maybe she thought maybe she thought that she had a a Blickie and like oh, who knows? Maybe she thought that that was an alien. She had a space uh a space ray like like pointed and targeted at her along with her spaceship. Like there's all type of magical thinking going on here. What we do have here is this thing called like actual facts, you know, cuz I just looked at the video. I looked at both videos and what I saw was I saw the employee actually take his hand or her or whatever hand and touch the old lady first and it wasn't some oh let me just patch you on it. It was an aggressive grab at the at the lady and she did make contact. She said that person the employee made the first physical contact. Now, how you respond to that is I if we are talking about this whole stand your ground thing like yeah uh you are allowed to meet force with force but you're not allowed to meet force with overwhelming force. That's why you're not really typically allowed to just kind of bring the blicky to a fist fight like that that like and this is and there are differences depending on what state you're in. Like, so in Tennessee, if you do that stuff, uh, then yeah, you're totally in the wrong. Like, you can't just go and do that. Like, you you you can't go and g and gang up on somebody and meet them with with unover overwhelming force and then call that self-defense. That's not a thing. Like, we got to get this stuff back to the facts of the case. And then the whole thing about the uh context, like context is allowed uh in a courtroom. like you are allowed to talk about things like state of mind, you are talk allowed to talk about uh the mitigating circumstances around the events that you're actually witnessing. So like if you do have like a company policy and they are at work, then the fact that they are at work following their company policy does come into play because that deals with the context surrounding the events.
And and I do also want to say if you look at the if we if we look at the video footage at the end of the day the uh the when the the manager caught herself getting in between that's because the employee was already being aggressive and the manager had to stop her from hitting the old lady from jump street. So Tim Horton gang was already kind of in effect. And again, as they came out from behind that partition, which is the the the real story, when they was coming out from behind that partition, they were coming out with the partition, pushing the lady, you know what I'm saying, to to throw her on the ground, which she just didn't do the way she wanted to do because when she had a second chance to do it, she definitely did that. Your honor, your honor, I would like to move to strike the term Tim Tim Horton gang because that is super it promotes it promotes a unfair narrative against our client like they just waking up trying to like become gang and and harass customers which is could be even further from the truth. So we'd like to strike that term and not be used in a court anymore. And second, we would like to strike uh uh inspire truth uh uh statements because this is a come lately, [ __ ] Johnny come lately, [ __ ] >> That's not a legal term.
>> Like like that's Look, look, they got free more watermelon with the chicken sandwich. How about you go over there and get yourself something? Take a break. First of all, we we do we also need to acknowledge that the I can say the one thing the manager did right was stop the other employee from hitting the lady from jump street cuz she was going to get hit way quicker if it wasn't for the manager but the manager never deescalated anything.
>> Your honor, can we get a decision to strike Tim Horton gang from the from the record please? That is Tim Horton. Tim Horton Tim Horton militia.
>> Like he's using all these anonyms because he knows he's losing.
>> Request that.
>> Yeah. Requesting Grant to strike that from and let's let's strike inspired truth too cuz >> on what grounds [ __ ] >> I don't think that's a actual legal terror.
Okay. Well, judge, can we get the ruling? Can we bring this down from a murder to to a civil negl can we get this brought down from murder to negligence, please?
>> Cuz maybe manslide if you going to bring it down.
>> We We definitely got to bring it from murder. And Roger, you do know when you argue when you take a case to court and you argue in the wrong the wrong pro the wrong judgment, you know, you can mess up a whole case.
>> I understand that. But we're not arguing the case itself that we're going to leave the legalities to do that. We're just arguing should they be trial?
>> Should they be >> We used to We used to Roger coming up here messing up everything every day.
>> You want me to That's an easy ruling. So Roger, you want me to give my ruling on it?
>> I've submitted some evidence to the court. I've submitted some evidence, chill out, bro. Brock bro, please chill out. We got you already. You really want me to give a ruling?
>> Well, let's now let's let Brian say what he need to say before we give you the back.
>> We don't want Nope. No, we don't want Brock to say nothing else. See, we have learned our lesson. He does not defend Michael Jordan correctly. He will not relitigate this case. N we are. Yeah.
Soon as you be quiet and let the judge talk >> and the judge is going to talk about exactly what I >> closing statements or NIXON FIVE that's our closing statements. Go ahead.
We're ready. We're ready. We're ready.
Judge, we're ready. Judge, we're ready.
I've seen it in your honor. Your honor, first of all, first of all, the fact that that the council can't even get on the same page, I think that needs to be taken in consideration. These guys are not even representing anyone the proper way.
>> Everything that they said today should be struck from the record.
>> Was at the strip club last night. He's talking because he tried to get that titty wax off the top.
>> So, and uh just give you a ruling, please.
>> Refer refer to the refer to the evidence.
>> Oh my god.
>> I checked it, Brock. I checked it out already.
>> Thank you, your honor.
>> Now, now I'm gonna say this. Uh, judge, remember this ain't about He keep topping over the judge. That's why you got to throw this out.
>> Uh-uh. This ain't about your opinion.
This is about what's been presented to you.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Not your opinion of the situation.
What's been presented to you? And I do believe because I presented what I presented. There's no way that you can rule against me cuz I think you are a fair judge. You're a right judge. You a justy judge. And these guys sucked when it came down to their argument. Period.
>> We're not we're not asking you to rule on a case that's totality. We're just simply asking you to bring it from a murder to a to a civil case or a negligence case. This is all we're requesting.
>> Roger, you might as well get this appeal.
>> We have a dead woman. If you want to lessen anything, I could I can agree with a manslaughter, but we got a dead woman here. Your honor, your honor, planes crash.
Your honor, planes crash with 150 people all the time and it and it ends up being a neglig negligence case. 154 people dead. So, your honor, we're ready for your ruling. We're ready for your fair and just ruling.
>> And your honor, I just want to say, please keep in mind Tim Horton restaurant wouldn't even want them to kill this lady like this. They just decided they wanted to kill this lady.
All right. Well, I Judge Shark Sims presiding over this case. I'm going to have to say and I and I know I'm going to have a lot of backlash over this, but I literally got to throw the whole case out.
>> There it is.
>> Thank you. Thank you, judge. Thank you.
There is a >> There was no evidence of a murder.
>> There was a literal fight.
The lady got up off the floor, went and sat down in the chair, her hypertension kicked in, and she had a heart attack.
The reason she had a heart attack is because she handled the situation wrong and went up against the wrong white people. Now, let me tell you guys something. White people didn't had it up to head with the [ __ ] They ain't going they ain't taking it like they used to. This ain't the 80s. This ain't the 90s. This ain't the early 2000s.
They they going to throw punches back.
And when you throw a punch, you better be ready to take a punch. I don't care how old you are. I don't care how cute you are, how big and diesel you are, how small and skinny you are. There are consequences for actions.
And this lady suffered a the a grave consequence. No one should no one should die too early. No one should die.
Period. But this lady's actions led to what what happened to her. Now, see, uh, I just want y'all to know Detective Sims is messing up, y'all.
>> Put him in Put him in contempt. Put him in contempt. He just keep talking over the judge.
>> Just say we're done.
>> Just say we're done.
>> Hold on, brother. This judge, this judge is out of order because he is bringing in stuff.
>> Not a judge out of order. This This [ __ ] is out of order. Hold fast. Hold fast. He's bringing up stuff that we didn't present. Remember, this was not about his opinion. It's about what we argued. We never got into none of that hypertension or anything like that.
>> I did. I said she didn't take her medicine.
>> I said she didn't take her medicine. She died of a heart attack. It just happened at the same time she was at Tim Hoy. No, you was film buster and you couldn't hear me.
>> You never No, I heard you, brother. You never even said she was sick.
>> Oh, so you didn't hear it.
>> You cracked a joke. You cracked eight.
>> So you didn't hear it. No, it's funny cuz it's true. It's funny because it's true.
>> Is you never even presented an illness.
>> No, Roger. He presented He said she had a heart attack early early in the joint, but you just to have a heart attack, you don't have to have an illness. You you blood pressure could just go up from a fight. You know what I mean? And when you ain't in the right health, that could be a factor. So, I'm going off of the videos, going off of the presentations that everybody set forth.
>> All right. Panel, panel, I'm leaving.
Um, good good discussion. Um, I gotta go. I go detect some some traffic then.
All right.
>> All right. Take care, UK.
>> Yeah. Be safe, UK.
>> Adios.
>> Peace out, bro.
>> Yeah, I got to I got to throw that out, Roger. Like, it was just it was just a mis some unfortunate events.
>> We have a medical records.
>> When is that present?
>> Well, we don't even we don't even have a autopsy yet. So, we can't even go off of she was murdered because she literally got up from the fight and sat down and made a phone call >> and that.
>> Yeah. So, that was You can't call that murder.
>> And we don't even need that. We don't even need an autopsy at this point to determine >> to know she did it. And that is murder.
>> No, that's not murder. Roger. You live in Chicago. You know what murder is.
>> I do know what murder is. And I know if I go to a restaurant and can't make it out with my life, then I got murdered.
Now, let let me help you out, Roger.
This is the real travesty. The travesty is that black women of all ages, all classes are so poorly behaved and so poorly representing themselves to the public. It's hard to defend them anyway.
Even if you wanted to, it's difficult to defend them.
>> I think I did a pretty good job.
But listen, I say you gave a valiant effort, but you you have you have shown how difficult it is because they have walked from under >> Is that >> I can't hear him.
>> Yeah, I think the Lord is working right now.
Ah, >> where where's Brock, bro? Brock, when I'm winning, >> this is what we doing. This is what we're doing today.
>> All right, you gota learn to be quiet, sir.
>> I'm winning.
>> I'm driving at home.
You got to be quiet, bro, BECAUSE I'M KOBE BRYANT IN this [ __ ] Okay, >> would have won and you didn't. Kobe would have won. You did.
>> I just got the whole case thrown out.
Man, that's not a win.
>> No, that's a win.
>> Yes, that is.
That's the best one you can get.
>> That's a win.
>> That's a win, man. That's a win.
>> Yeah, them white them white.
>> All but bro, just remember you Derek Fisher me. Oh, okay.
I think a few people should have been in contempt of court, but that's just my opinion. Okay, but look, I am going to say y'all, we will do more of these in the future where we going to, you know, try some stuff cuz I I think it's good.
I believe it's entertaining. It's a different way to approach some things.
I'm going to say I think I did a fantastic job defending this woman in this particular case, even though it still got thrown out. I think I did a pretty good job. I think UK UK also brought up some pretty good points because they never did call the police.
So, could they really have felt threatened without doing any action to show they felt threatened? You know, unfortunately, we couldn't convince the judge this time. But I do believe the judge had a little bias in this situation and could not put his bias to the side to be totally objective to what we presented. But that's just my opinion. But next time, somebody else will be the judge. And I'm addicted.
>> But Roger, they did call the cops cuz when she fell out of her seat, they called the cops >> after the lady done croked over.
>> Yeah, but they they they literally called the cops. So it's like they look they looked at it as, "Oh, we just had a little fight with somebody and she's still sitting here. Everything is cool."
Once she fell out that chair, they was like, "Oh [ __ ] what's going on?" And they called the cops for her. The same person that that monkey punched them in the face.
If I wanted the lady to be dead, I would be hesitant about calling the cops, too.
>> Well, she wasn't. She Nobody thought she was dead until she fell on the floor.
>> No, no, no. The thing is they tried to kill her and they hesitated to call cuz they wanted to make it seem like they didn't know what they was doing. That That was smart on their end.
>> Roger. Roger. Roger.
>> She literally said she literally >> No, no. We need a gag order for this for the >> No, no, the case over. We we we're having slander discussion after brother with the case over. We having an after discussion slander.
>> This is we in the newsroom now.
>> He threw it out.
>> I believe I believe the biggest problem was is when y'all kept talking about Tim Hortons and once you did that that opened the case for negligence. Were they properly trained? Right. Were they properly trained? And if they weren't properly trained, then that's negligence or Tim Horton. They literally But they did. They literally tried to deescalate the situation. If you and Rogers arguing, I would literally get in the middle and if I see you fl like I see um Nicks ain't doing nothing, flailing his hands. I'mma try to put his hands to the side like, "Yo, chill out. Chill out."
Now, once you once you get your hands free and monkey punch me in the face, all hell's going to probably break loose. Mhm.
>> Now Roger's going to jump on you because he was trying to jump on you in the first place and now you literally gave him a reason and I'mma jump on you.
>> Did y'all see the same video though?
>> Like literally like right be Yeah.
>> Like right before any type of like punch was thrown like the the worker literally like grabbed the lady. Like the reaction to grabbing somebody is probably going to be a punch.
>> No, no, no, no, no. See you. So see you're forgetting that the woman the the old lady putting her finger in their face that and did she of course if somebody going to put your finger in the face your natural reaction is to push them away bro that is a natural reaction to push someone's away who's has their finger in your face.
>> They both pushed each other away like and they watched the the thing from the first one. It was like they they first kind of got into like this kind of like pushing thing, then the worker grabbed uh her and then that's when you got the swing.
>> Yeah. So there you go.
>> Look, the lady it would have never happened if that lady didn't come in there with that rob >> point blank to come to the side of the petition. That's already an act of of aggression. She could have went to that cash register that's standing right there in front of them and put her hands on it and say, "Yo, what's going on?"
She came around.
>> This is where we get back into the context though. She was waiting there for several minutes. Like what? 5 10 minutes or something.
>> That still doesn't equal to you being aggressive to the point where you ready to fight.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. Okay. Let's challenge him with >> No, but if your order's not right, your order's not right and you're coming into the restaurant you and are you going to the register to address this? Are you going to the petition to address this? Like us normal people go to the register and it's one or two things. Hey, I need you to fix my order or I need my money back.
>> Did that though?
>> That's why we're at the register.
>> Brother, brother, she did actually do that. I know that clip is not in what I put back, but she actually did that.
>> How you know, Roger?
>> I watch a bunch of different footage about stuff before I come on air. The lady camely and cooly.
>> So you didn't pres Why didn't you present that in the court evidence?
>> At the end of the day, I wanted to present the altercation itself, which to me was more than enough information to show that they got this old lady, man.
They they got aggressive with her.
That's what this what I presented where the stuff happened at.
>> Oh, but you know what? Also, how how we lead up to the problem is also part of it.
what you what you did what you failed to present help would have helped their case more.
>> Okay, >> that was smart. That was smart.
>> Uh, shout out to Black Strike. I think this is coming right on time. He says, "I seriously hope you dudes were trolling today." Shout out to you, Blackaroo, cuz that's what it's got to be, brother. That's what it's got to be.
They just want to be against against this lady. I don't know why they have a problem with her. this Anita Greenston, you know, shout out to her family, you know, and my condolences to you all because yo, somebody lost somebody they love and uh you know, I I the value of black life is just it's just not what it used to be. That's that's all I can say.
The value of black life.
>> Roger, you laugh. I can hear you laughing right now. But if this black if this was two black women and this was a white old lady, would you have the same feelings?
>> Nope. Not at all.
and and her granddaughter said this woman been terrorizing her.
>> Notice I can't answer for myself.
>> I'm filibustering.
>> Yeah. Let me answer.
>> Look, what I'm saying is there was enough information, if you ask me, that was presented to easily show that the black woman was aggressive. She uh they they tried they attempted to destroy her and basically they were able to get that done. Not to mention she's 75 years old.
She don't look like she 50 or nothing like that. She look like a old lady. So at the end of the day, why we beating up old ladies as if they might not die?
Like don't we all understand if a person old and we start going upside their head, it's a good chance they could die.
Do we not understand that? So, old man punched you in the mouth, what you gonna do?
>> If a old man punched me in the mouth, he's giving me a reason to defend myself. I know that that's a poor decision on his on his side. I accept that he made a poor decision.
>> So, he's giving you a reason to defend yourself. And how would you defend yourself?
>> That old lady didn't give him no reason, though.
>> She punched him in the mouth.
>> She punched him. She >> He punched him while they were coming out from the petition pushing trying to push her down to the ground.
>> Roger. Roger. Roger, is it possible that when this lady punched that uh girl, maybe is it possible that she might have knocked the sense out of her momentarily?
>> Brother, anything you you can say is possible. What I'm going to say though once you try to knock somebody to the ground, just cuz you're unsuccessful does not mean you didn't start a fight.
>> No, she probably could have knocked the gave her standing a count and the and the girl stumbled from behind the partition.
>> Knocked the sense out of her momentarily. Look, my thing is >> she didn't really know until she was done.
>> The lady she st her big ass stumbled on that on the black lady and they was on the floor.
>> They really They could have whipped that old woman ass if they wanted to, but they didn't. No, I think they did a pretty good job. They They didn't get up until she was done. She was definitely done. That lady didn't had nothing else to give at that particular point. And she literally had a lot less to give than we all thought cuz she was dead soon after.
And and and uh somebody said something about the police for the it took the police 13 minutes to get there. After the 911 calls came in, took them 13 minutes to get there, but by the time by the time the police got there in that 13 minutes, the lady was already unresponsive when they got there.
>> I would like to respond to the super chat.
>> What if Well, let me read it first.
Shout out to Afro Merchant. Now, I appreciate the 57 cent traility tax, my brother. He says, "I'm putting tape on all you MFs." And y'all know what that mean. Okay. Y'all know what that that mean. Okay. And uh I think Afro Merchant has been given every right to do so. But go ahead, brother.
Well, respectfully to Uru and Afro Merchants, [ __ ] I'm a winner. Whether it's moral or immoral, I don't give a [ __ ] I'm gonna win. That's all I got.
And like just like come on. Like we got to black people, we got to do better.
They I just watched that video again.
B they would I ain't never seen an old woman conduct herself like that.
>> Yeah. I mean that I mean come on. Yeah.
This is this is disgraceful. Even though when I get that a I'm definitely walling out, but that was disgraceful.
>> Shout out to Black Ru Strikes who says from the video I saw there seemed to be a break in time between when she entered their store and the argument that led to the fight and it was a break in time black crew cuz she walked in calmly and cooly and eventually she ended up addressing them. So there definitely was a break, but at the end of the day, I think, see, this is the thing, you know, now I understand black women do some terrible stuff. I acknowledge that wholeheartedly, but just because they do some terrible stuff don't mean white people supposed to get off the hook.
>> That's all I'm saying.
>> It's not a white and black thing. It's a women It's women being left to their own devices, black or white.
>> Well, no. No, but but my point is she she was upset. Obviously, I'm not taking that away. But just because she's upset does not mean that the white ladies get to gang up on her and attack her. And I think when they came out from behind that partition trying to knock her to the ground, it they just didn't do it.
They tried to knock her to the down then. And the manager is clearly at fault cuz she never told the other employee to go to the back room or something like that. The manager, the way she got in between them cuz the employee was about to do something to that lady and that was kind of obvious and she didn't send that employee away.
That's a problem in itself. So she just wanted numbers on her side. She really didn't try to deescalate anything.
That's what I'm saying.
No, they that that older black lady, God bless her soul. She brought that all on herself.
>> All right. And shout out to Afro Merchant. He says MJ. Now, I don't know what that mean. Maybe that's referred to someone I just got knocked off and had to come back. Uh, so I I don't get the MJ.
Uh, but I'm going to say, real talk, these ladies got far too aggressive. The manager did a horrible job. The manager literally had somebody die in the restaurant under her watch. She just wrong. Period. And if she really wanted to cool things down, he should have sent that young lady to the back cuz they it's some spot there where they got their coats hanging up or they jackets hanging up or something. There's some spot that they could have sent her back to. And it's a I don't know what type of restaurant it is. I'm assuming they sell burgers or something. There's a freezer area, something that is not exposed to the public that that lady could have been do that 17 year old could have been sent back to and she didn't do it.
I mean, to me, I get it. The the older lady was upset. They messed all up. She had a right to be upset. Not only did she pay for a bad order with money, she paid for a bad order with her life.
>> No, the older lady. The older lady ran into a 17-year-old white girl who wears Jordans and listens to Pushy.
>> Don't mess with this little [ __ ] >> At the end of the day, you work at a restaurant.
You don't get to beat up the customers.
Okay. You don't.
>> And you don't get to beat up the employees. Roger.
>> She didn't attempt to beat the employees up. She she started fighting back when she when they came out from behind that a petition trying to knock her to the ground.
>> No, you standing there. I ain't mad.
>> You you you take your wrong coffee order, go home and make a complaint to corporate. That's what you're supposed to do.
>> That's one way she could have addressed it. We're not saying she could not that way.
>> That is the way to address it, man. One of the things you do not do is argue with people that make your food. Man, >> I I get that. But that doesn't get them off the hook either, though.
>> I can agree with you. Still not let them off the hook.
>> Well, the blatant murder charge, I can't get I can't put that on them.
>> Okay.
>> I can't I could put a fight in, >> but I I from that from from her getting up and sitting down in her seat and making a phone call, the fight was obviously over. That's like you getting beat up and then you go home like, "Hey, you went home. You you you you had a fight." So, we can't we can't say they didn't have a cause in it. But that wasn't no blatant murder.
>> Nah. Nah. This is too much like saying, "Okay, I set you on fire and then, okay, now the fire is extinguished and then you perish and then we're just going to call that spontaneous combustion."
That's nonsense.
>> Yo, >> that sound No, no. I mean, he making some kind of sense there. Now, shout out to Black Cruise. He said she did not seem upset when she initially entered the store.
Something happened we did not see.
Absolutely. They ignored her and tried to play with her and they just treated her the way they saw her as a nothing.
You know, that that's what happened. She got treated like she was a nothing the whole time. And there's nothing to worry about. And ain't nothing going to happen to us. It don't make no difference how we treat this lady. Heck, we couldn't even kill this lady and we not gonna even get prosecuted because that's what it look like right now. And shout out to Afro Merchant. He said that was for that was for Swamp. All we do is win MJ.
Okay, now I get it. Now I get it. Okay, cuz he did say he Kobe. So, shout out to you. You know what? You you're a brilliant brother, Afro Merchant. Let me just acknowledge your brilliance, brother. That was brilliant. Real talk.
I just want to say, bro, that's offensive calling me a crossdresser.
I don't >> Hey, man. You wanted to compare yourselves to what was you?
>> All right. Uh, shout out to Turkish Tyrone. Thank you very much for your super chat. He It's definitely a white versus black thing. Uh, that white girl did not have mercy.
old white lady like that. That that Okay, let me say that better. That white girl would not have white lady like that. Not excusing the ladies uh the lady media's behavior.
And that's all I'm saying y'all. I'm not saying uh anything about the black woman getting upset. All I'm saying is her getting upset don't give them a right to kill her.
>> Well, >> you know, she didn't put her hands on them. Well, we have seen we have seen multiple we have seen multiple cameras get their ass beat by other white people.
So, we can't even go with that color thing. And that's like that's where we mess up and we we let justice just mess do everything wrong. Like, man, I've seen I've seen white women smack the [ __ ] out of another white woman on some camera stuff.
>> Well, I'm I'm I'm saying this. Look, to me it's not it's not even just about black and white. The lady was on her side of the partition and the white women came out from their side of partition. It's just it happened to be a black lady. Once you come out off your side of the partition in an aggressive manner while pushing a person, trying to knock them down, you are legitimately starting to fight at that point. If someone did that to me, I'm not going to wait for them to get me on the ground and bust my head before I start responding like I'm in the fight. Sir, her side of the partition was in the was in the car in the drivethru. That was her side of the partition.
>> She brought the problem inside, brother.
>> I I think she addressed it where she should have addressed I don't think you're supposed to just stay at the drive-thru and block up everybody else because you're upset. You go in and dress it like an adult. And I think she did the right thing to address it like an adult.
coffee.
>> I heard a wise man once say you could be dead wrong.
>> You can be >> that was wrong.
>> That doesn't mean you're not in the right though. You can still be in the right and be dead wrong.
>> And having said that also and the and the black woman was in the right. Now, she was dead wrong, but she was in the right to go inside the restaurant and address it like she got some sense. You don't just sit there and block up the whole drive-thru cuz there other customers try to get in, get their food, and live their lives. Now, she could have she could have been on some, you know, what people would say is ignorant and just sat there, but all you doing at that point is just making a bunch of other people upset and and creating chaos.
Why not get up and actually go in there and address it? Go park your car and address the situation like an adult.
What's so bad about that? See, my thing is we going to punish we going to say the lady should be punished for doing right.
Cuz if she just stayed in the drivethru, people would have been upset.
So now we mad at her cuz she parked her car and went inside to talk to them like she's a sensible a sensible adult and we going to use that against her. Come on now.
>> Yeah.
>> And shout out to Sirius R. He's not a problem. He said, "Facts again, Roger.
Once they came from behind the counter to confront a customer, you're in the wrong." And that's all I'm saying, man.
They never had to come from back there.
If they stay back there where the where the employees belong, >> they're inside the restaurant.
>> You mean inside the restaurant?
>> Yeah. It was They stay where the employees where the employees belong.
There's no That's not even a question.
We know the rest. If she go back there with them, >> they were where they belong. They were inside the restaurant.
>> She was in her car.
>> She could have left. She could have went down to Dunkin Donuts. She could have went to Starbucks.
>> She could have did a lot of stuff, but that doesn't mean she's wrong for going in the restaurant to address the problem.
>> She did wrong for it.
Boy, you know how to avoid the answer.
That's all I'm saying.
>> I hear you, man. I'm just doing what what what somebody taught me how to do.
That's it. She did wrong.
I ain't saying she not. But that don't mean those white women didn't do wrong by killing. And truth be told, yeah, a murder would be a little excessive. I think this this is really kind of more of a a manslaughter thing. You know, if they go after them for uh involuntary manslaughter, probably be the best fitting one. But but because they white and she black, it looks like they ain't gonna do nothing.
You know, now I ain't going to make it about race. I'm just saying what is pro what the more likely situation is because the uh because now let's let's be let's be real. 117. She she probably going to get some light work anyway if they will even address her at all. But that manager who actually got out there and did the majority of killing her, you know, they don't want her to go down for this.
>> Let me ask you something, Roger. If you ever talk to your nephews about driving, >> not as of yet, but it'll be happening soon.
>> Not as of yet. What will you What will you be teaching them about driving and encountering cops while driving?
about about number one always being in the right so there's nothing to talk about and leave it to the facts of the what the situation is and and understand that is you don't have to argue your case on the roadside those will be some of some of the things I'm going be going over just for a small >> Very good very good why why the what's the purpose of you teaching them that >> because I I already understand if if uh if they get pulled over. Well, number one, you want to make sure everything's right on your car so you don't even have to deal with being pulled over. And for them to understand if they get p pulled over, they're getting pulled over for one of three outcomes. To either be given a ticket to either be well, four outcomes. To be given a ticket, to go to jail, to be beaten, or to be killed, >> right? So, you're preparing them for uh for possible uh outcomes because of who they are and how they're perceived.
Yeah. Yeah. You got one of four negative outcomes coming.
>> Yeah. But these perceptions come from people. Didn't come from them obviously because they're upstanding citizens. It comes from how they're viewed because of people that came before them. Whether it's right or wrong to perceive them that way. Correct.
>> Well, I mean it's it's to me it's not about a perception. It's just a fact of the matter. If you get pulled over, you may have done something wrong. So then you may be getting a ticket, which is a negative outcome. But if you didn't do anything, it's still going to be negative because it's gonna either be a ticket, jail, beaten to death.
>> They're all negative.
>> Yeah, we >> But the beaten the beating of the the beaten of death, the beaten or death is because we're black men and we're perceived a certain kind of way. Would that be would that be fair to say?
>> That's fair.
>> Right. So, what I'm saying is with this with this woman coming in, like she forgot that you're perceived a certain kind of way. She's going to be perceived as being aggressive.
Whether she's aggressive or not, she's going to be perceived that way and she's going to be received that way.
We can't forget the damage that has been done to our image by those get that came before us.
And it is our charge to change that image by handling ourselves the best way possible.
>> I mean that I would say that's fair from an overall society.
>> Yeah. Sometimes you just got to send an email to corporate man.
There's there's something to that, but at the same time, it's not the same thing as law enforcement. Like, we do deputize law enforcement to take a life.
Like, we only deputize fast food folk to flip a spatula.
Yeah. I'm going say as trail as uh Trail Bentley has said in the in the chat, Tim Horton employees do not have qualified immunity.
So that is a legitimate point. They don't have qualified immunity. So they can't just be doing stuff cuz they want to do stuff. And they should keep in mind what the goal of the restaurant is.
And I'm going to say this y'all. I understand what it's like. I work fast food and I get it. Sometime people piss you off and they make you want to come from behind that counter. But I do understand if I come from behind that counter and I do something that the restaurant don't allow me to do, I know what's going to happen to me, I'm getting charged.
I I don't have no uh doubt about that. I think if if if if it's me and I'm in those uh ladies situation and I push some old lady down or even some old man down, they charging me. I know what time it is.
And I don't think any of y'all would really disagree with that.
You know, I'm looking at what the situation is for what it is. As an employee of a restaurant, if I'm back there behind the counter, whether I'm the the 17-year-old or or the manager, cuz even if I was a 17year-old that got stopped, cuz the manager stopped the 17 year old, once it go down, I'm an accomplice cuz I'm a 17-year-old black male.
I'm an accomplice to a murder cuz we getting charged with murder and that's just real talk.
You know, at at the very least all I can hope for is involuntary manslaughter, which I think is more of a proper charge, honestly. But I don't think I would get that charge. I think I would be a compass to a murder. Even if I was a 17-year-old black guy that got stopped by my manager, they're going to say, "Look at this [ __ ] Look how he was going after her." the manager stopped her for a second, but you know what?
They still did it anyway.
And I think that's extremely fair to say in these United States of America, you know.
So, I'm looking for stuff for what it is, not how it's supposed to be. You know, the way stuff work.
I don't think for a second if those were black males that they wouldn't have got charged. I'm pretty sure they would have got charged that day.
I'm pretty sure they never would have made it home again. They would have they would have they would have left work to the police station. That's what would have happened.
You know, now I can understand and shout out to uh Shark Sims for for for being judged. Y'all, next time we do it, yo, y'all y'all may get warning, but whoever come up first, they gonna get to be the judge if we don't if you don't get a warning next time we do this. Okay. So, I mean, I'm cool with the outcome of throwing it out. It would have been better if I won.
I'mma just say that, y'all.
>> It would have been better if I won. But you can't win them all. I guess you can't even on your own show. I guess you can't with them all, which is ridiculous. But since people are starting to leave and we only got a little more than 15 minutes to go, I guess we will do some uh closing statement, then we can get backstage and and really uh say what we feel around these parts. Okay. So, uh Bron, go ahead and make a closing statement, my brother.
Oh, was Brunk in the bathroom? Bro in the bathroom.
>> No, no, go ahead. No closing statement, man. I'm just I'm just wrapping up on lunch with the kids.
>> Okay. Okay. That's a good story. That's a good story. That's better than seeing you in the bathroom, even though Hey, just remember to wash your hands, brother. We know it's real.
All right. Knicks ain't doing nothing in the finals. Any closing statement you want to make for this one, brother?
I think in the bathroom, too.
Hicks ain't doing nothing in the finals.
Are you in the bathroom or you ready to give a closing statement?
>> I guess that means he's in the bathroom, y'all. Y'all boy, y'all y'all got to start getting some checkups now. Y'all be in the bathroom a lot. Uh y'all remember y'all health out there.
Y'all remember y'all health. Okay. Uh I well I guess it's on you brother. So dark side rules all. Any closing statement from you?
>> Well hey man I'll say uh shout out to Nicks ain't doing nothing in the finals.
We two and 0. I think we need to keep the team together. Uh especially with Roger on the other side. It's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing.
Uh shout out to uh Judge Sims. Nixon five baby. Nixon five. That's really what won the case right there. Y'all don't know about that. But um no man, it's it's very no matter whether it's fair or unfair, what it is or is not, it's difficult to defend black women now because of their image, whether we like it or not, you know. And I understand where Uru is coming from, and he's right. Are we trying to give white people license to kill us in in public?
No, we're not. But we need to address the fact that we are giving out that license by tarnishing our image and black women are destroying their own image online. You need to repair your image. You need to get back under the covering of your men because now people are starting to be insensitive to things such as this even when it includes your death. And I'll lay my plane there.
Now, I'm going to say, uh, uh, what's all this we stuff? That's what I'm going to say.
And, and y'all may be, why is he saying that? Hey, I don't know that this lady was married. I don't know that she's a widow.
>> As far as I know, she never been married. Now, hopefully that's not the case. And she had some better sense. She She did have a husband at some particular point in time. Hopefully, that's the case. But we don't even know if uh or I never had any information that suggested that she was ever married. So at the end of the day, y'all, I don't think she belonged to the subsection of the black community that I belong to. So that's a them thing, not a we thing as far as I'm concerned. And black women do have to fix their own reputation. So I ain't got nothing to do with black women's reputation cuz they don't follow my lead. You know, they could, but they don't. And that's their fault. It ain't my fault. I know a lot of people say, "Well, you know, see, if God was do right, they would find out."
No, all people do what they want to do.
And when you're an adult and you accept that adults do what they want to do, you stop feeling guilty about people that ain't got nothing to do with you. So, black women do have a reputation.
Black women have to deal with their reputation. And I'm gonna say because of their reputation, it's going to be a lot of the reason, not all of the reason, but it will be a good amount of the reason why when they don't end up charging anybody anything, people going to just let it go. That's what I believe is going to happen. These investigations are going to close up without anybody getting charged. And I do believe a legitimate charge that they could get is at least an involuntary manslaughter.
You know, if if not the kid that was only that was 17, at least the manager should get an involuntary manslaughter.
But because she seemed to be white and the lady seem to be black and black women's reputation is so bad, I don't think nobody going to really push for it at the end of the day. Now, what should happen is that her husband or her children that she had by her husband should be fighting to get her some level of justice, but I don't think she had a husband, so I don't think that justice is coming. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Y'all, this has been a great show. If you like what you see over here, we do this Monday through Friday, 900 a.m. Chicago time, not where you happen to be. So join us over here at the next Roger live. Subscribe y'all.
It's been real. Have a great rest of y'all day. Long live the habitual line steppers. I'm Roger. I'm right. And I'm out.
>> Nixon five.
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