The rule of law is a fundamental principle where no person, including government officials, is above the law, ensuring that society is governed by impartial established rules rather than arbitrary wills of rulers. This principle, articulated by John Adams as the defining characteristic of a republic, enables a functional democracy by ensuring accountability, fairness, and protection of individual rights against authoritarian power.
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>> The allnew Inside Sources. Inside Sources, >> your inside access to the people [music] and policies shaping Utah's future. Here are Greg Scoris and Holly Richardson on KSL News Radio and welcome to May 1st. May 1st is law day for me and I'm alongside Jim Bennett who joined me yesterday. Thanks for [music] coming back.
>> Thrilled to be here. Always fun.
>> I was a little nervous that we'd scared you off yesterday, but [laughter] you're a good sport. Uh Holly, my normal co co-host, is speaking at she called it a convocation, which is different than a commencement, which I'm not sure I understand, but she's speaking to a college instead of the whole university or something like that. Anyway, she gets called to speak for things like that. Um, but today is law day and so it's important to me because I'm a lawyer and I thought that we would talk about it a little bit. The theme for this year, Jim, is the rule of law and the American dream. And the rule of law being I think that the sort of the common theme of it that no person is above the law and uh what ensures the rights of people to live their lives as freely as possible and pursue their dreams and and so being a non-awyer I don't know what maybe you think the same thing but when when you think of the rule of law what do you think? Uh well I I just think it's a matter of principles above people that uh politicians or elected officials they come and they go but the principles that govern how we uh how we organize a civilized society uh stay in place and that that's I think what's allowed us to be able to have a functional republic for nearly 250 years. So you're you're you're spot on.
And that was really what our second president of the United States said.
We're talking about John Adams who was our first vice president and second president I think uh where he said uh no one is above the law. We are a nation of laws not of men which is sort of the what he considered to be the definition of a republic. And what he said was a nation should be governed by impartial established rules rather than arbitrary wills of rulers. It ensures accountability, fairness, and the protection of rights against our authoritarian power, placing laws above any individual. And I remember running for attorney general in 2004, and I ran against a very very brilliant man who was the attorney general at the time. His name was Mark Sherlo. And he talked about the rule of law. And I hadn't thought about it until then. We were we were debating and he talked about the rule of law. And I just I just remember listening to him speak about it and thought, you know, I've never understood it. You know, I I practiced law at that time. I'd been a lawyer what for at that time 22 years. And I thought the law is the law. I I taught the law.
I taught police officers the law. I taught him what it means. You know, that was that was my I taught in the police academy. My subject was criminal code.
You know, what the laws are that we write a law. And so, but to have him sort of explain the rule of law and how it works, I thought was pretty pretty poignant. I I really appreciated him for that. He then crushed me in the election, of course, which which deservedly so, maybe.
>> Well, uh, he was actually my neighbor.
>> Oh, Mark. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I know him fairly well. Uh, he al he also ran against my father for a while then stepped away at the at the end and >> we were really scared of him.
>> Your father Bob Bennett.
>> My father Bob Bennett in his last election. That would have been >> 2010.
>> Yeah. So, I remember and I remember that a little bit because I remember that Mark, we're digressing a little bit here, but it's kind of fun because we're going down memory lane, but Mark was immensely popular. Yeah, >> he was doing incredibly well and could have run for anything. And so, he was he was talking about running against Bob Bennett. And uh be even back in ' 04, they were talking about him doing that.
And I don't know if you remember this, but that year that I ran, we did have a candidate who ran against your father >> in 2004.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes, I do remember.
>> He was the former attorney general.
>> Uh I can't remember his name. All I know is that he made a radio ad where he was singing. He had a guitar, >> right? He he now I can't think of his name either, but I'll think of it in a minute. He he was a Democratic attorney general before Jan Graham and uh he was also a county attorney. What was his name? Anyway, I'll think of it in a minute, but very popular. He was great.
He was a good speaker and you know he loved your dad. I mean they like they got along great.
>> Well, one of the people that I've really gotten to know in the intervening years uh is the guy who ran against my father in 1998 and after my father and now all of a sudden his name has just gone out of my brain and he's getting mad because he actually even donated to my campaign when I ran for Congress.
>> Um >> we're not doing very well here. We're not with the names. What's happening?
>> Yeah. What's up with that? Some of our listeners maybe chime in to us of 57500, the Democratic candidate for US Senate in 98 and and uh in 2004 2004.
>> But but he had he had the um uh he had the effect of actually getting along with the people he ran against and even the people who didn't agree with him politically uh very much had Oh, his name was Scott Lechman.
>> Yeah. Scott, if you're listening to this, I very much apologize uh for forgetting your name briefly, but yeah, Scott Leman, wonderful, wonderful human being, >> right? And then it was Paul Vanam.
>> Paul Vanam. See, there it is.
>> See, there we go.
>> It all just kind of comes together.
>> It's good. So, anyway, uh talk, let's get back to the rule of law. It it and I, uh I came to really I am digressing again because you got me thinking about Bob Bennett. I just remember what an incredibly um professional man he was. I mean, we're on the campaign trail and we're debating and we're going back and forth and people are doing this and doing that and if you recall um >> um um Huntsman, John Huntsman Jr. was running for governor. Um Scott Mat was the Democratic candidate. We traveled around the state, Scott and I, we really had a great time and uh Paul Vanam and just uh you know, just watching people like Bob Bennett and it was a year when politics was so much different. I mean, you think about uh Bob Bennett, you think about um uh John Huntsman Jr., the people that were running for those even Mark Sherliff, you know, we had our differences, but man, that was it. I just enjoyed that year. We the Democrats all got dumped at the end of the day. [laughter] But um we >> that same year I was working >> by good Republicans by good good Republicans. All of them.
>> Well, that same year I was working on the campaign of Fred Lampropolis who came in third.
>> Oh yeah.
>> In the convention. So I was deep in the heart of that campaign for a number of different things. I was also my father's communications director at that point and did all of his ridiculous billboards. Do you remember those?
>> A bold, brilliant bean pole.
>> Yeah. honest, humble, hairless.
[laughter] >> He put these three words up and we didn't put the name up and just had them as teasers. People wondering who it was.
>> Yeah.
>> And the one that broke the pattern, but which I really loved was the one that said better looking than Abraham Lincoln, [laughter] >> but just barely.
>> Just barely. Yeah.
>> So, yeah, those were the days, you know, and uh you know, it just I got to learn about the law. I got to appreciate the what we do with the the American dream and and I after that this day means a lot to me law day and because I coach these uh these mock trial teams around the state and we usually have our law day lunchon where the teams that win the mock trial competition go to the lunchon and because I've had some teams that won so we we got invited to the lunchon and it was a lot of fun and I spoke at the law day I was the speaker one day the the uh subject that year was the the jury system you know the the power of the jury system or something like that.
And I was able to do this. I sort of played my favorite closing arguments in movies that were for juries. And I don't know, I I I love the law. I've come to love the law. It's it's my life, you know, for the last 44 years. And I I appreciate the groups that we have in Utah, Legal Aid Society, uh Utah Legal Services, um public defenders office, the people that really serve the community and and make the law what it is today. I think we do a great job in this state. I think we have the best judges in the country. I think we have some of the best criminal prosecutors in the country and and our public defender system by and large is really really good. Our legal services. Anyway, I'm touting things. We're going to do a little bit follow up on the law and talk about some things for the second hour.
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>> Well, if you've been following our show, you know that it has been a very busy week on Congress. They got a lot of stuff done, some really important bills passing. We've talked about those for the last couple days. And we're very fortunate today to have our own Representative Celeste Malloy who was up on Capitol Hill this week. And she now joins us to break down what happened.
Representative, thanks for joining us this morning.
>> Thanks for having me on after a crazy week in Washington DC. [laughter] >> That's right. I have to I have to digress for just a second, maybe catch you off guard a little bit. Today's law day and I know you're a lawyer. I know you practice law in the south southern part of the state. What does what does law day represent to you? What does that mean to you?
>> Well, I didn't know it was law day until just now. So, I guess I can't say it means that much to me, but uh we are a nation of laws. We have the rule of law in this in this country and we throw that term around a lot, but what it means is that we all have to live by the same set of rules. Um, and when that became the standard in this country, that was kind of unique around the world. We don't have a a royal class or aristocracy that doesn't have to abide by the rules. And we're so used to it now, I think we take it for granted, but it really is the foundation of everything we are as a country.
>> Wonderful. I mean, that that's better than I said at the first segment, Jim.
Uh, so you mentioned something about King. We did have the King visit this week. Tell me what the mood was like on Capitol Hill with that.
>> You know, this is such a strange year.
Having the King of England come address Congress on our 250th birthday seems like it should have been a really big deal and something that caused us all to stop and reflect a little about what the last 250 years have meant. And it barely made a ripple. Um, everybody, you know, it was in the middle of a lot of busy things happening on Capitol Hill and everybody went in and listened to the speech and then went right back to work.
But I will say King Charles was funnier than I expected him to be.
>> Funnier.
What was funnier than you expected him to be?
>> He did. He did have a sense of humor.
>> He actually >> he was a pretty good standup.
>> Jokes.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Well, I was also impressed with the fact that he he he actually talked about the rule of law. He talked about that.
That's one of the things that makes the United States so so different from the rest of the world, which was interesting coming from the kind of monarch that you're talking about, although the king of England is essentially a figurehead at this point. Uh, but >> yeah, I don't think he enjoys the perks his ancestors did 250 years ago.
[laughter] >> Some of the pressures, too. Well, let's cut to the chase here. So, I want to talk to you about a bill that a lot of people didn't understand, and that was the uh bill that extends some of the uh provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, FISA, section 702. Um it was it's a little bit controversial.
More Republicans supported it this year in the past. Uh and I and I think you supported it. I think one of our representatives did not, as I recall, I don't remember. I think Kennedy came down the other way, but tell me tell us our listeners sort of what you thought about it and why you supported it.
>> Yeah. Well, so really all we just passed was a 45day extension. Um, so we we have been debating FISA and what we should do with FISA, but what just passed was just a 45day extension to give us more time to keep debating that. But the reason I supported I supported it two years ago um [clears throat] because we made 56 really important amendments to FISA. So FISA deals with you know how the United States surveills foreigners overseas and and that part isn't actually very controversial. I think most people agree but we want our intel agencies to keep an eye on you know foreign terror groups or suspected terrorists to make sure we don't have another 911. What's controversial is when uh the FBI, which has a domestic mission, can see what's sitting in what's called the 702 database. So section 702 lets the intel agencies monitor the internet traffic of people they're monitoring. Most internet traffic comes through the United States, but when they're monitoring foreigners outside the United States, they collect what they call incidental data on US citizens. And it's all sitting in that database. And as long as that database is being used to monitor foreigners outside the United States, even that isn't that controversial. But we learned in the last few years that the FBI was accessing that database um to look for information on US citizens. And you can't surveil US citizens without a warrant. And so the question has been what do we do now? We told the intel agencies to share information with the FBI after 911.
there's there are no Fourth Amendment protections for foreigners overseas, but if they have information on Americans, then that should be subject to the Fourth Amendment and and how do we accomplish both of those things at the same time? So, in the last few years, we've made a lot of changes to how the FBI can access that database.
>> So, so does this bill specifically uh push that even further? Are there are there new sorts of changes to how the FBI can access that database?
>> Not in the bill that passed. So, we passed a bill out of the House that had some new restrictions on it. Um, and then the Senate didn't pass that. So, the Senate passed a clean 45day reauthorization and we passed the same clean 45day reauthorization. And that's why I say we're still debating what additional reforms need to look like.
And I don't I don't know if there's anybody who's not open to additional reforms. This is just the process of how you figure out which reforms are required. Before we move on to DHS funding, what do you anticipate will happen, Representative Mallaloy, in the next 45 days as it relates to FISA?
>> Well, my guess is very little will happen in the next 40 days and then in the last five days, we'll have some really intense debates and my guess is we'll reauthorize FISA um section 702.
Most of it is already reauthorized.
Section 702 will reauthorize uh with some additional safeguards in place. We just have to hammer out exactly what those additional safeguards look like.
>> All right, so let's get to this DHS funding bill because that had been an agency that was without funding for something like 75 days. What brought this what brought this to the table and well, I know it's been on the table, but why why was this suddenly voted on this week?
>> Because just like a lot of other things in Congress, we got to the point where we had to do something. Um, we should have done this months ago. The House has passed DHS funding uh four times, maybe five now. Uh, but the Senate wouldn't vote on the House's appropriation bill because there were people who wanted ICE reforms. A lot of the ICE reforms they said they wanted were already in the bill. Some people dug in too early before they had read it. But as with all things political, once you've dug yourself in, it's hard to get back out.
Um, so we've been trying to find a way around this Senate blockade for a long time. And while we were working on that, the administration moved some money around in those accounts to keep paying TSA agents and, you know, people at Homeland Security, but >> Well, that included Secret Service agents, too, right?
>> Yeah. So, speaking of things that, you know, normally would have been headlines for weeks, but kind of didn't get as much attention this week, there was another attempt on the president's life last weekend. Um, and so in in a dangerous world where we've got a lot going on, we have to have Homeland Security funded and we were too busy, you know, dithering over details. But what happened is the administration didn't have any more money they could move around. So, we had to pay Secret Service, TSA, um the Coast Guard, and so we had to pass a bill. And in the House, we ended up having to swallow a bill that we didn't really like. Um as an appropriator, I'm not at all happy about the way this turned out. But sometimes when you're running a world superpower, you just have to get things done.
>> And is is part of the reason that you're disappointed, Representative Mallaloy, because of immigration wasn't funded fully? Immigration Enforcement.
>> Yeah. Well, it's kind of technical, but it's the way it wasn't funded. So, in the appropriations bill that they just sent back to us, it had a zero on the line for ICE and for Border Patrol. And when we zero something out in appropriations bill, that means should mean that it can't be done. The [snorts] argument from the Senate was they have money from the one big beautiful bill, so we don't need to put funding in there. Um, and and I get that argument, but the way they did it technically causes a problem, and I thought a Republican Senate should be able to fix that technicality before they sent it back to us.
>> Were there other sorts of compromises that that were needed to be made in order to be able to survive the sort of heavy scrutiny you were getting from the Democrats?
>> Um, no. It turns out in the end, a lot of the things they said they would uh hold the line on got through anyway. So, it was a lot of sound and fury signifying not nothing but very little.
>> It's bad luck to quote McBth, just so you know, as [laughter] an old theater guy.
>> Well, that was Celeste Malloy, our own representative, and thank you very much for joining us this morning, especially such a busy time of year. Um, when we come back, we're going to go to a project I think's happening up at Utah State University. A road that charges your car as you drive it is not just sci-fi anymore. It's actually being developed right here in Utah. This is good news for [clears throat] those of us that have electric vehicles. And it may be good news for the electric vehicle industry as a whole. We'll talk about that right after this.
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>> Well, I'm alongside Jim Bennett. And Jim, I didn't realize we had something in common. We both drive electric vehicles.
>> That is correct.
>> And I have been hearing about this technology. I I assumed it was complete hocus pocus [music] where there were actually roads that could help you charge your vehicle while you're driving. It was almost like I thought, well, you could put giant solar panels on top of your car and and charge it while you're driving, which seemed kind of awkward, but then I'm I'm learning that right here at Utah State University, they're working on that concept. And I I saw a story by KSL TV's Brian Carlson about that. And Brian joins us in the studio today. Good morning, Brian.
>> Hey, good morning.
>> So, it is it is more than just science fiction.
>> Yeah. It's not just a pipe dream of tomorrow.
>> Yeah. So, so tell us about how did you get even to looking into this? Well, I was just looking up ideas if I can do a lot of traffic related stories. I don't know if I'm the pseudo traffic specialist on the TV side of things here at KSL, but I'm looking up some different things I think I can do. And one of the ideas that just crossed my my brain was what if there's cool tech that they're with the happening doing with the roads? And so I started looking into this and saw a post by Purdue University about wireless roads and I thought there's got to be something that one of our universities is doing in Utah State, right? they're an arm of the state. I started looking into what they're doing and come to find out they're the leader of this whole wireless electric charging technology that Purdue was advertising.
In fact, Utah State is one of the 10 universities working on this technology and it's headquartered up in Logan. So, so what do you know about the technology? I mean, I don't mean the nuts and bolts of it, but literally it's something that would eventually allow a person who drives a car on the road to have their car being charged while it's operating.
>> Yeah. No plugs, no cords, uh no waiting hours for your Tesla to charge overnight kind of thing.
>> Yeah.
>> So, the concept is is that you have two main technologies that's being developed at Utah State. One is this concept where the road charges the car for you. How that works is there's rubber kind of electromagnets under the ground that you place them every quarter mile or so connected obviously through some cabling between each charging we'll call it port and as your car drives over each one of these little charging stations it gets a zap so to speak that not only charges the car but then moves it forward. And so as long as you have enough of these little chargers underneath the ground, every quarter mile or so, the car gets a zap and continue going. So the road literally charges your car as it's moving.
>> It has to be set up that way, right?
>> I mean, Teslas right now or Chevy Volts or whatever it is you drive, they're not set up to receive the technology. So you have to have a receiver and a transmitter that's under the ground. It works the exact same way as your cell phone does when you have it on a wireless charger, right? It's just the distance between you, your phone, and uh the charger under the ground is a longer gap.
>> Have you ever seen the movie Minority Report?
>> Yeah, >> that's exactly what happens in in that movie. And I'm I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, "Yeah, I thought that's wild science fiction." And the idea that it could happen uh realistically relatively soon is really kind of exciting.
>> Yeah. So the idea that they've been floating this around since 2015, at least 2015 and so quietly been working on it behind the scenes and then places like Purdue have been more active on social media putting out say, "Hey, here's what we're doing on our arm of the technology." Utah State obviously is the center for all of it. They have the wireless road charging technology and what they're really excited about I think why they've been kind of holding the cards back on this until they can get what they call the megawatt charger and that technology to roll out. Concept is very similar except it's static. It's not moving. So let's say you have a semitr driver who's driving across the country. They don't they may not be able to benefit as much by this because not every road's going to have that technology embedded. They need something that can charge it, charge it fast, and they can get on the road again. So, they have this megawatt charger, the power of about roughly a thousand homes that once you pull up your car, again, just like a cell phone on a wireless charger, the semi-truck drives on top of the pad and it can charge a full semi in half an hour.
>> Wow.
Wow. That's And just by parking on it.
So, that could be something that could be used for passenger vehicles as well, right? And be much faster.
>> Exactly. So, if the Teslas were be able to receive that technology, they would say it's a matter of seconds, maybe a minute or two for a full Tesla.
>> Is that part of the same study, the same what's going on at Utah State?
>> Exactly. So, >> it's kind of like a wireless charging station for cars, but two different concepts. One is, like you say, these these little ports every quarter of a mile that give you a little zap. And another one is a big landing zone where you can get the full charge by just stopping and >> stopping and just waiting for a second or two. So a passenger car would take seconds and then larger, heavier cars which require bigger battery power would take a little bit longer. They that's why they say the semi could do it in a half an hour. They've been waiting on a couple things to finalize that technology and then the depth of the road embedded moving technology to be able to get it to go the distance go a little bit further between the car that's receives it and where they embed it in the ground. No, because Go ahead.
But the biggest problem we have with electric cars is what we call range anxiety. And this seems to be the solution for that, Jim. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, the logistics of rolling something like that out, though seem kind of daunting to me, don't they?
Aren't you going to have to tear up all these roads? And >> I mean, that's part of the part of the struggle, right? The the birthing pains as you may consider with that. But they said they can. When I talked to the civil engineers at Utah State about it, he says it's no different than any other utility that's currently under the road right now. I mean, you think about the roads that we have just behind us here in studio. There's going to be internet cabling, there's water, there's any number of different utilities currently under the ground as it is. The only difference here is that this technology is not as deep as those, right? So, it's a couple of feet for some of these other utilities. This would be six inches at probably its lowest.
>> So it it could probably be Brian put in as new roads are being developed a lot easier or than existing and we're we're always repaving roads. So I can see it happening during something like that.
>> And you look at all the construction that's happening right now in I 215 right >> in the Salt Lake Valley. I mean this would be one of those things as they rebuild 215 just do that along with it.
They're doing all the rest of it. The utilities are going along with that. Why not this, too? How far along do you think this technology is?
>> The timeline they gave me was they're going to roll out this technology, announcing it to the world in late summer, early fall.
>> This year, this year.
>> So, they've been working on it for at least the last 11 or more years, right up at Utah State, just behind the scenes. This has all been going on under our nose for the last who knows how long. And then after that, they think that once it gets picked up by commercial entities, there's a Kenworth trucks. They're the the trucking entity who's embedding that in their semi-truckss. They think this will be everyday drivers will see it in the next 10 to 20 years.
>> Well, so is this kind of like a subscription service because somebody has to pay for the energy that's going to be zapped into the cars or is that just so minimally inexpensive?
>> That's how superchargers work anyway.
Really? I mean, it would seem like you >> I don't know. Maybe they haven't figured that part out. I liken it as best if you if you're old like me, you can recall.
>> You can't say that in this room.
[laughter] You're gonna >> Well, then you'll know, right?
>> So, so present company excluded. But let's say you remember the competition between VHS tapes and beta tapes, >> right?
>> Or more I guess more closer to home here for a lot of folks is the MP3 audio versus like say some of the other technologies when they when you went away from CDs. There was the different competing companies had different versions of the same technology, >> right?
>> DVDs and HD DVDs and Blu-ray discs, all that the same thing, just different companies making it. That's currently what's happening. So, Utah State is doing the research, but there are different companies who are not talking with each other about their different versions of the same technology, right?
Who's going to be the first to the arms race here to be able to have the one that >> uh federal, city, county government's going to go, "Yeah, we like that. Let's buy that." and put that under our roads.
That's how I see this playing out.
>> Yeah. Interesting. Well, that's exciting news. Thanks, Brian. That was T KSL TV's Brian Carlson joining us in studio with some great news for electric car owners and maybe some uh ways to get people out of that range anxiety that's scaring some people away from getting cars. Yep.
>> It's great. Next, a student at the University of Utah who has lived in the United States since he was one years old has now been detained by ICE. We're going to talk to immigration attorney Adam Craig after that after this break.
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>> Inside sources [music] sources, it's kind of a heartbreaking story that we read about this morning.
Jim Landro Pantalion [music] Pacheco, a University of Utah student. He's now been detained by ICE. He's been in the United States since he was one year old.
One year old. He's now in jail in Wyoming after being detained by ICE despite really not having much of a criminal record. And we're joined this morning by his attorney who's joined the show before, a friend of mine and a friend of the show, Adam Craig. Adam, thanks for joining us today.
>> You bet. Happy to be here.
>> Adam, can you just tell our listeners a little bit about the history of Lissandro and and what why he's is where he is now?
>> Sure. [clears throat] Came here as a one-year-old child, right? So mother uh brought him across the border uh lived in Park City, attended elementary school, middle school, high school, started attending the University of Utah. Um trying to live as normal of a life as possible and uh was uh on his way to work the other morning and at around 5:58 a.m. a a unmarked vehicle pulled him over. Uh a truck pulled him for pulled in front of him. One of the agents got out of the truck, asked uh Lissandro to produce identification or driver's license. He pulled out what uh we have here in Utah as the driver's privilege card, and they asked him to step out of the vehicle and took him into and detained him for being here unlawfully.
>> So, was [clears throat] this something that was completely out of the blue for him? He just was driving and and I mean, he'd had no prior incidents that would have alerted him that this was going to happen.
>> Yeah, literally out of the blue. Um, I mean, I guess the only thing you could say is is potentially, you know, as a one-year-old, he can't break the law.
There's no intent to cross the border, but the law once he turns 18, theoretically, you start incuring acrewing unlawful presence, but I mean, I guess we say to him when he turn 18, leave our country. But that's not really the way things work. So, no criminal history. I think there was a traffic offense last year. Other than that, absolutely squeaky clean. And so just driving to works, had started a new job and the next thing you know he's he's being detained by ICE.
>> Well, what put him on IC's radar at this point? I mean, just because he's turned 18 or is >> were they?
>> Yeah. And he's 22. I I don't know to be brutally honest with you.
>> So about let's see, I got I can't even remember how many phone calls. There were seven or eight people arrested in Park City um the other day, the same day that Landre was was detained. And in all cander, I have not there's no there's been no warned of arrest produced. I haven't been able to see that. There's no prob we don't get probable cause statements. We don't get anything related to any sort of an articul articulable susp suspicion of undocumented status. So in all counter, all I'm left with is driving while brown. That's all I have. That's all I'm going off of.
>> Wow. Adam, do you know whether or not he had been in the process or had taken any steps to secure citizenship or was he just living here and and going to school and and I mean since he'd been here for 21 years just assuming that that he was good to go, >> right? So in his case because there is no so he had previously applied for DACA. uh there was a 3-w weekek window during the Biden administration when DACA was made available again with some updated parameters. So for kids who were brought here uh without their consent uh President Biden tried to open up a window where they updated those parameters immediately lawsuits were filed and that kind of shut down. But he had successfully submitted an application but other than that there is no path right. So he either has to marry a citizen which by the way he was about to propose today. Um, >> oh gosh, >> he has a citizen girlfriend and he'd already bought the wedding ring. I've actually seen the receipt for that wedding ring and today was a proposal day. Um, so there was a pathway in his future and candidly, you know, just 12 months ago or excuse me now 15 months ago, this is the individual that if they would have encountered him, he would have asked to been, you know, to check in at the ICE office at 2975 South Decker Lake. They would have released him on his own recgnissance because he's not a danger to the community. He's not a flight risk and potentially may have been put into immigration proceedings or or potentially been told, "Look, you just need to marry your girlfriend quicker. Let's let's get this moving, right?" But not not somebody that would have been targeted ever.
>> Well, is he going to be able to return to a normal life uh relatively quickly, or is this going to be a long-term mess for him?
>> Um, so what's going to happen is he will leave the state of Wyoming. He'll be transitioned to a detention facility. As soon as we know which detention facility he he's located in, we will file a habius corpus petition. And what's crazy is those used to be hell Mary's and now there is about a 95% grant rate. Um so then that'll allow us to do a bond hearing for him. Uh we simply have to prove that he's not a danger to the community, that he's not a flight risk, and there are hundreds and hundreds of support letters. So, I anticipate, you know, him getting out at some point, but it could take anywhere from a month up to six months.
>> Why is he currently in Wyoming, Adam? Is is there no facility here in Utah that would be appropriate to hold a person of his status?
>> So, interestingly enough, it's the Alpine County Jail. um our ICRO, which is uh enforcement removal operations side, they don't have a long-term hold contract with anybody in in Utah. So, if if someone's going to be held longer than 3 to four days, they they needed a contract with somebody that would be willing to do that. And none of our none of our jails in the state of Utah have entered into that agreement. So, they have entered that agreement with with Evston um with the with the Alpine County Jail there.
And when you have proceedings here in Utah, you say he may not even be in Wyoming very long. He may go to some other facility somewhere else. You'll have proceedings here and those will be like WebEx kind of thing.
>> They're not back every time.
>> They do. They've actually we actually when we go to immigration court here for detainees.
>> And not only that, there's a uh the Sweetwater facility in Rock Springs. We have about four people that are detained there and they drive to Rock Springs and they leave at about 3:00 am and get them to the court by about 9:30.
>> Does this I mean >> every time?
>> Oh good my goodness. Does this have do you think anything to do with the proposed ICE facility that's going to be built here? I are they stepping up operations in Utah to show that it's justified to build this massive new facility in the state? Um, I I don't know. Honestly, that's somewhat kind of put on hold for right now. But sure, that could be a potential to say, look, you know, don't drop these plans. Let's keep going. Let's keep moving in that direction.
And Adam, do you think that this was some sort of a targeted thing like the Park City um they just decided, well, let's see what's going on in Park City and and target some people up there and uh see what we can find.
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
Absolutely. There's I now have four different families that have called and these were people that were just driving around in the community going to their jobs and this was not there's no I haven't I have yet to see an actual precreated warrant for arrest for unlawful status. I I haven't seen one yet.
>> That's just amazing. I So, um, does this girlfriend I mean, this is a terrible way, I would think, for a girlfriend to discover that she was about to be proposed to, >> right? Right.
>> Has she is she now aware of all of this and does she know that he had bought the ring and all of that sort of thing.
>> Unfortunately, I kind of u blew the cap right off of that yesterday. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. She's she's well aware now, which probably made it made her feel worse, but anyway.
>> Yeah. Well, best of luck on that one, Adam, and thanks for joining us this morning. That was Adam Craig, immigration attorney, who's just done so much work and he's guy has got to be just flooded right now. Uh although I I think a lot of other attorneys, Jim, are stepping up to the plate and helping out with some of these. He indicated rid of habius corpus. Um my wife was telling me that uh she's part of a group of federal attorneys that have are helping out some people in of all people of all areas like Fresno who have got something like 200 RITs that they're trying to get filed. So, they're contacting attorneys from all over the the country to do that. But, you know, we think we often think that this doesn't happen in Utah, that we're not having this in Utah. And I think it's interesting to hear from people like Adam and others who say, "Yes, it happens right here. I mean, right here in Park City, right here in Salt Lake City, right? You know, you don't know what's going to happen at your local Home Depot tomorrow." Um and and we also talked right at the beginning of the show with Celeste Malloy about the fact that ICE isn't even fully funded yet, but they're fully working. It sounds like >> Well, you see a lot of the anti anti-immigration sentiment that I think is fueling the whole sort of MAGA movement.
>> I I don't I'm not I I'm not happy about it, but I'm not particularly surprised but to see that it's it's so prominent here in Utah.
>> Yeah. And and I thought that the wave had gone the other way and that the public was backing off a little bit. But I thought the administration might as well, but apparently not. Well, best of luck to that case and and I hope that justice prevails one way or the other, whatever that happens to be. Yesterday, speaking of justice, we talked about the indictment of former FBI Director James Comey. [music] We're going to get a prosecutor's perspective on this, a little bit different than you might think, when we come back.
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Well, we have Greg Scoris and Jim Bennett today. But, uh, Jim has been helpful [music] filling in for Holly the last couple days while she's down at UVU enjoying graduation speeches and at a st c ceremony for her daughter yesterday.
It is law day and today we thought we'd spend the second hour of our program talking about the law and some things that are happening in the law. And I thought that what better way to do that with than with my good friend, former uh attorney general and sort of career prosecutor Scott Reid, who I've known for I won't even say how long, but it's been close to 40 years. Maybe maybe longer than that. Scott, thanks for joining us this morning.
>> Thank you, Greg and Jim. Good to see you. Good to see you.
>> I wanted to I wanted to just talk to you vague just generally about this cowshi situation. Scott, because I think a lot of people don't understand how and why it's a big deal in the state of Utah.
There's a lawsuit going on. The state of Utah's tried to say, well, it kind of crosses the line into gambling. We're a little different than a lot of states here uh because we are one of the few states that really has almost no level of gambling, even even um lotteryies and things like that. But can you just break it down what what what you're seeing about this Koshi thing and and how it relates to what's going on with the law right now?
>> Well, I know you guys touched on this yesterday and and it may make it a little bit old news, but I really struck me uh uh because it's very similar to a case that I was involved in 20 years ago when I was in the attorney general's office. But, you know, since it's law day, let's talk about the law. the the constitution is kind of the basis for this uh lawsuit and that is that the article 1 section 8 of the constitution is the enumerated powers of the federal government and the 10th amendment of the constitution says anything not enumerated not delegated to the feds is reserved to the states and I think over the years gambling has been one of those things that the states have taken over regulation upon And historically that was the case I think throughout the years until probably 1988 when the federal government uh passed the Indian Gaming on the reservation act which had allowed tribes to uh have gaming facilities on uh tribal grounds and of course that has burggeoned over time and now states I don't know if they've become emboldened by the fact that they have gambling within their you know geographic boundaries but now you have virtually every state in the union as some form of gambling except Hawaii and Utah. And that's the way it is today. Well, along comes this outfit called Cali. And I'm sorry, I thought that was a um you know, a >> granola gran Yeah. a a [laughter] whole whole grain breakfast cereal and and and a typo, but I apologize to both of them.
It turns out that they are this prediction market uh vendor and they are federally regulated by as you mentioned yesterday the the um commodities futures trading trading commission.
>> And so now they have all these prediction markets which are sold as a legal contract >> uh on uh some kind of future outcome that may or may not occur. and Utah's taken the position that sounds like that's very speculative, that sounds like gambling, and we don't like gambling. We have a law against gambling here in Utah. So, the legislature uh put in a bill this session, HB243, which added um prediction markets to the uh list of things that are gambling.
>> Well, they actually articulated prediction >> within the statute and that statute has passed. Khi comes in in February and sues the state for an injunction saying, "Well, by gosh, you can't do that." And Kelsey's argument is that violates the supremacy clause, article six, clause two of the constitution, because we, the feds, occupy that field. That's our baywick. You can't regulate that. We do.
And that's a violation of the supremacy clause. In the second part of their lawsuit is that state law uh Utah code annotated 7691401 expressly says that gambling does not include lawful business transactions. So here we are.
>> So they're insisting they're not gambling and that they are a lawful business transaction and that's their way out of this.
>> That's correct. and and that the feds are the ones who should be regulating this practice regardless what you call it. I mean, it becomes potato a little bit when you say, "Well, it kind of looks like you're trying to predict what the next card up on the blackjack table is going to be, and that's gambling. So, why is this different?" I but I I I think, you know, it's a lot closer call than people might imagine, and and I have some personal experience with that.
Yeah, I have to imagine, Scott, that the what happened recently with the uh the US serviceman who who predicted who purchased a lot in uh maybe whether Maduro is going to get captured by a certain date and time and he won $400,000 on a $30,000 bet. The timing of that couldn't be much worse for Khi and others because that is that's smacks of gambling. It smacks of insider information. and it smacks of the the problems and the reasons why we do have regulations in in place for these for these type of things.
>> Well, imagine how successful you might be at the blackjack table if you knew what the next card was going to be, >> right?
>> You know, so this is kind of same kind of situation.
>> Well, you say you have some p a lot of personal experience with regard to this.
>> Well, there was a case in Utah 20 years ago that I was involved in. It was called uh Securities Industry Association versus Klein. And what happened there is you all remember Overstock.com and its CEO Patrick Burn and their stock was being wildly manipulated through a process called uh shortselling and a and a particular process called naked shortselling. And uh Burn went to the legislature and said, "Hey, they're, you know, they're killing me smalls." And and so the legislature passed a statute SB30004 back in 2006 that prohibited this conduct of and it owners record quickeping trying to make it more trouble than it was worth. Well, along comes the securities industry association and says, "Ah, sorry, you can't do that. We occupy that field. You know, SEC and the Federal Trade Commission and everybody regulates this.
You cannot." And the ultimate conclusion of that was, you know, me and my client at the time who was the director of the division of securities, Wayne Klene, sat down, looked at the lawsuit, kind of rubbed our chins and scratched our heads, and went to the governor and his counsel, u some guy named Mike Lee, and and within [laughter] within two minutes, they had concluded that, yep, we're going to lose. What's your plan?
And so we kind of quietly with our hat in our hand went to the judge uh judge uh Campbell in the federal court said uh yeah we'd like to you know grant the injunction and maybe go about uh repealing this law and that's exactly what happened. Now whether that happens in the Koshi case I can't say. I mean it's pretty early on but it has the same flavor and it's certainly the same arguments related to preeemption and the supremacy clause. So a as it relates to Khi, what would that look like? That the legislature would jump in and and tweak the law.
>> Well, uh Khi would be in that scenario permitted to continue to sell these legal contracts.
>> I see.
>> Now, uh there's more going on there because uh the federal government has now step stepped up. Uh Adam Schiff from California just last month filed the um what's it called? The uh prediction markets are gambling act which is has the unfortunate acronym of P mega. And so you know my brain immediately went to please make America gamble again.
[laughter] But that's a specific statute that said, okay, prediction markets, you have to exclude sports betting and you have to exclude casino style gaming.
Now, whether that's just a shot across the bow uh from the feds, whether that's actually going to happen, I can tell you there are lawsuits all over the country among the states. Khi and the CTFC, there's suits everywhere. Recently, Washington is suing Kaly. The Washington Attorney General, not the Utah Attorney General, Derek Brown. The Washington Attorney General, uh, Nicholas Brown, was quoted in the spoken Spokane newspaper as saying, "Cali is just a bookie with a fancy title."
So, we'll see how that goes.
>> Yeah, we will. We'll watch that close.
Hey, can you stick around for another segment?
>> Absolutely.
>> I want to talk to you about what's happened with our former FBI director, James Comey, when we come back. Scott Reed.
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>> The movie show broadcasting live today from Leighton at NPS on 1150 North Main Street in Leighton. And it is easy to get here. You just go to Hillfield Road.
You go west and you turn right and eventually you'll drive in front of it.
No, but it is it's the place to be to get clothing, to get groceries, to get anything you need. come and check and see if NPS has it first because if they do, it's going to be cheaper than anywhere else you can get it. And it's the same stuff with brand new tags on it.
>> It is.
>> And Chris, every time I come here, Chris has done some other tweak to this store.
This one looks like it looks more and more high-end fashion every single time I walk in. So, whatever you're doing, you're doing the right thing, Chris.
>> Well, thank you. We're currently doing some renovations over there in collectibles. So, >> Oh, in collectibles. Okay. Well, what kind of deals do we got at at NPS today?
Now, for new people, NPS always has deals over what you'd find anywhere else. But then every once in a while and regularly, they move around discounts on certain items to try to get it out the door because they have so much stuff that they need to get out on the shelves that you got to get it out. So, you go, "Okay, look, you won't pay that. All right, how about this?" And then people come in and come buy it. Correct.
>> So, what are some of the cool deals we've got today?
>> The best one is electronics. It's 50 50% off today.
>> Extra 50% off. Okay.
sales on that stuff, just so you know.
But yes, it is extra extra 50% off.
>> Okay. Well, that that uh already. So, that's what you should come. Is that good at all locations or just the late?
>> Okay. Now, each store they have uh four locations. Each store has uh a deal specific to its location. So, if you live in Utah County and you can't make it to ORM, uh or if you live in Davis County and you can't >> My mistake, 60% off. Oh, the board just came on because when you walk in the door, you'll see what the flash sale is at that location. Electronics is an extra 60% off to that means things like TVs, right? That means things like extra monitors for your computer. It does, >> which is what I did.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. See, this is amazing. These are great deals that you can get any of the four NPS locations. 1150 North Main Street in Leighton where the movie show will be until 1:00 or 475 North State Street and Salt Lake 1600 South Empire Road.
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[music] >> Well, one thing that we've talked about this this week, Jim, is the James Comey indictment. And you obviously felt pretty strongly about that yesterday, I noticed.
>> Yes, indeed.
>> And it was it's really been interesting.
I talked to my wife who's an attorney also. I've talked to a lot of people about that. And of course, we know that former FBI director James Comey has Comey has now been indicted for threatening the president based on an Instagram post that he that he made featuring the numbers 8647 again sort of the it's being alluded to 8647 86 meaning whatever you you had a great definition for our next guest does as well. 47 being the se 47th president of the United States and and I just thought a lot about the prosecution end of that and so Scott Reid a good friend of mine and a former prosecutor for many many years I contacted Scott last night and said just from your perspective uh what do you think about this and you've prosecuted cases Scott some good some bad and and there's a lot of discretion that goes in that process in terms of what you do and what you charge and I I told Jim and our audience yesterday about the I the notion that you can indict a ham sandwich. And you know, it's pretty easy to get to that threshold, but ultimately you got to carry the day with a jury, too, don't you?
>> Well, absolutely. I mean, you have to, as a prosecutor, keep in mind every moment that you have to prove this case, every part of this case beyond a reasonable doubt. So, as a prosecutor, when I heard about the Comey indictment, my first thought was, what are the elements of this crime? what what do does a prosecutor have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt? And so you look at 18 USC, the the statute, the criminal code sections 871 and 875, which he's charged with. One is, you know, knowingly making threats to kill, kidnap, or injure the president.
>> Knowingly.
>> Knowingly. Right.
>> Yes.
>> That's a huge standard. That's a huge bart.
>> It is. I mean, every one of those is kind of huge. I mean, the fact that it's the president, we probably could take that. But uh the other crime is knowingly putting a threat into uh interstate communication, which I think a uh Instagram post is like global communication if not intergalactic communication. So there's probably not a lot of problem proving that case. But you know, first look at this whole notion of knowingly. And I I tend to diverge a little with you guys. Comey is a smart guy. He graduated from Chicago Law School. He was the deputy in that number two attorney general to John Ashccraftoft. He was the FBI director for four years. I believe he knew exactly what he was doing.
But what was it that he was doing? And so guess is this what is 86? Is this a threat against a person to kill or kidnap or injure a person? This person being the president.
That's a tough order I think in terms of p proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Now 86 is a slang term. Jim talks about you know its ideology where it came from. I mean there's all kinds of theories. It might might have been from, you know, a soup kitchen back in the depression where a pot of soup held 85 bowls of soup and if you were you don't want to be the 86 guy and you know there's a section that Yeah. And there's the the section of the US military code of justice. Section 86 has to do with unauthorized absence. So I mean there's all kinds of possibilities. I like your theory, Jim, as well as any of them. But again, does that has that term evolved?
And I I have personal experience here as well because I'm a kid grew up mostly in Montana. Came to University of Utah to go to college, but I would go back home over the summertime to do my to work and to hang out with my boys. And me and the boys would ordinarily end up in some social parlor that allowed us to embibe in adult beverages because we were of the proper age. And you know, invariably somebody get a little out of hand. And there's a sign behind the bar that says, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." And that was called, "Hey, get out of here. You're 86th."
>> Right.
>> Well, it it did it it didn't happen often, but it happened more than once that I was present. And in all those times that it happened, I never saw anyone killed. I never saw anyone kidnapped. I never saw anyone injured.
>> Right. Other than >> just removed.
>> Removed. Yeah. So, what does this term mean? And and does that translate into proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a threat to do those things? I mean, that's a very high bar.
>> Well, there's a guy named Jack Pobic. I don't know if you ever heard of him.
He's this big alt-right commentator, but all throughout the Biden presidency, he would post 8646.
And we have found that there are a lot of people who have posted 8647. And Todd Blanch was asked, "Are you going to prosecute all of them? and he said, "No, we're not going to do that." So there's very I I don't see a scenario where they can prove that this is not a politically motivated prosecution when in fact James Comey says that's not what I meant and I took it down as soon as I was told that that was one of the implications. I mean whether or not you believe him uh you know he's a smart guy. Yes. Yes. Yes. But proving that Yes. I mean, I did not realize that knowingly was part of the standard.
Proving his intent was I am threatening the president of the United States. I I don't see how you can possibly do that.
>> Yeah. And it's not we're not going to be able to climb into his head, you know, and and there have been illusions, I think you guys mentioned yesterday, to the fact that the government says they have more. Uh, okay, fine. If that's true, I still think this is a very hard case to prove. And because of that, my second point that came to my mind, prosecutors have a duty, an ethical duty beyond what their legal duties are and is established by the standards of professional conduct. And there's a special rule for prosecutors. I mean, prosecutors are held to a pretty high standard even comparison to other lawyers. The rule is 3.8. And the the rule says that, you know, a prosecutor, thou shalt not pro prosecute a case that you believe is supported by probable cause. But what that's evolved into is a is a practice standard that says if you're a prosecutor and you don't have a reasonable you don't believe that there's a reasonable likelihood of conviction, you should not and it's advisory, you should not proceed with this case. And I would have loved to be a fly on the wall inside the Department of Justice when that conversation was had because I don't know ethically how you get past the notion that it's hard for anybody lawyer, you know, layman to believe that there's a reasonable likelihood of conviction in this case.
And the sad, well, not sad, the likely outcome is it's going nowhere or it's going to trial.
>> Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. So, the last Comey indictment ended up with a dismissal, I think, from the judge. And I don't recall exactly, but there may have been something legally wrong. Maybe the statute of limitation.
I don't remember what it was. Had to do the appointment of the prosecutor, right? A lot of monkey business about the appointment of the US attorney in that particular district.
>> But otherwise, it seems in this case, the remedy might be the jury. I mean, do you see an avenue where the judge, a judge, could look at this and say, "This is so far out of the realm because there's not going to be a preliminary hearing. There's not going to be a hearing for the judge to make a probable cause determination of his or her own, you know, knowledge."
>> I don't know. And I'm getting into the weeds here a little bit with you, Scott, but you and I do that. What is Do you Do you think this Comey's got to go to trial and convince 12 people.
>> Yeah. And I it sounds like he's more than willing to do that, but I mean think I think you know you it's a very good question because the grand jury does bypass any kind of a probable cause hearing. Uh I I don't know if there's some kind of notion of a bill of particulars that they can go in and say we need a more you know specific statement of the claim or you know but let's face it what ultimately happens here is that the process is the punishment. And it doesn't matter if there's a conviction. We're we're just worried about taking this guy and making him hire a lawyer and spend a bunch of money and be publicly, you know, scrutinized, maybe lose some sleep.
Doesn't sound like he's losing too much sleep, but >> he all those things are totally contrary to what we in this room hold to be the rule of law.
>> Yeah. So >> is there any process then by which a judge can look at this and say this is ridiculous on its face. Let's not do this.
>> Well, I don't know. It's a tough one, isn't it? Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's that's a tough one. I mean, I don't know if that a a member of the judicial branch could could take that initiative without grave criticism. But again, the process is what it is. And person is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And I I just part of me is very disheartened by this for the country because I think all this really to ensures is this this is not the last time this is going to happen.
>> Yeah. Sadly. And Comey maybe did a dumb thing too.
>> Yeah. No, that's not a crime.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> And then you throw in this whole First Amendment thing about free speech and where are the limits of that? Go down that road, too.
>> Is it like is it is 8647 like yelling fire in a crowded room?
>> Right. Right.
>> Maybe. Right.
>> But probably not. Well, thanks for joining us. That was Scott Reed, good friend of I, my good friend of the show.
Oh, go ahead. You had a public service.
>> Very much. Thank you for the indulgence.
I just wanted to put a shout out to our people in law enforcement who are also part of our legal community. And to let the uh audience know that next Thursday, the Utah Law Enforcement Memorial will be holding a memorial ceremony as it annually does on the first Thursday of every month. It's on the western grounds of the state capital and it's a remembrance and an honor of all of our officers who have been lost in the line of duty. And there are 150 officers in the state of Utah who were on that wall up there. And unfortunately this year we uh uh we we have the burden of adding two more names to the wall.
>> The officers from the Tmont and Garland Police Department.
>> Exactly. and uh you know, officer um Sergeant Lee Sorenson and Officer Eric Estrada, right?
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The movie show is broadcasting live today from the nicest place to save in Davis County NPS store at 1150 North Main in Leighton. And we're here with Chris who uh continues to improve both the look and apparently I hear someone's been sneaking around the store and marking things down even more. I have >> because somebody here really wants people to save when they come in and get stuff that they were like, "Oh, crud. I wouldn't maybe get that, but at that price I can't not."
>> Yes.
>> NPS is like the king of doing that.
>> We are.
>> You're really good at that.
>> We try to be a little sneaky with it to be honest with you.
>> Yeah. I haven't even looked around yet, but I know I'm going to walk out of here with something I wasn't intending to buy when I came in today. But that's part of the fun is the treasure hunt. Val and uh this is what tell tell us what some of the deals that uh when Val and I go what we're going to probably end up buying today.
>> Shoes. Shoes.
>> That's I heard shoes earlier so that's all I can. And that one that one is specific to this store. So um >> Okay. So all stores have at least 30% off on shoes.
>> They do. Yes.
>> But Leighton, how much extra off?
>> 60.
>> An extra 60% 60% off of the lowest marked price on there.
>> Yes.
You could probably buy both shoes in that particular case at that price.
>> I mean, you do.
>> You need shoes by your family. You can get your school shoes already and they're not even out of school yet for this year.
>> The family. Yeah, I'll totally buy some for the family. [laughter] >> But I'm also looking. You got some cool grocery specials going on today and tomorrow. These are the movie show specials.
>> Um, frozen style meatballs, $2.99 a package.
>> Yes. Uh, this is one that Okay, so I was tasked with bringing my son's treats to the his tennis match a couple weeks ago and when I was in NPS, you guys had a great deal on these juice boxes, the eight pack of juice boxes. Right now, they're even better priced than when I bought them two weeks ago. Two for $3.
And let me tell you, those went so fast at the tennis match. So fast.
>> Cuz they're good.
>> And the kids re in fact my one kid at home got mad that I didn't have any to bring home to him because he wasn't the one playing the tennis match. So yeah, this is a great deal. Two for $3 on these eight packs of juice boxes. I just like looking around grocery retail. I mean the books, we're sitting next to the bookshelf here in Leighton and it would be $2 for just about any book on that shelf. Yep. No matter what the original cover price is. So come in and enjoy the savings. Uh check out these savings plus others as you poke around the store. I'm sure you guys have an extra discount on clothing too today.
>> Oh yes. It's well it's 50% off.
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>> The allnew inside sources sources, your inside [music] access to the people and policies shaping Utah's future. Here are Greg [music] Scortis and Holly Richardson on KSL News Radio. I am joined this morning by Jim Bennett who's filled in admirably for Holly Richardson who we miss but she's been down at UVU the last couple days with the graduation and whatnot. Um it is law day and I want to follow up with law day and one of the things that we are hearing a lot about and the of course we heard a lot about this last Saturday at the Republican state convention where some comments were made about the judiciary and we made to vote some people out and we do have something in Utah that's a little bit unusual maybe I don't know what other states do we think about judges as being appointed for life and generally that's true but in Utah and in some states we do have what's called a retention election, Jim, which is this that every so many years, and I think for the Supreme Court, it's every 10 years, but it's it's also the your first cycle after you've been a a justice for some period of time. I don't want to get in the weeds too much, but anyway, we have what's called the retention election. It's basically should judge so and so be retained, yes or no. And it's it's really important uh to know a little bit about the judges. We do have this uh judicial performance evaluation committee, JPEG we call it, that does evaluations and people who are in these courts like jurors, uh witnesses, criminal defendants, um prosecutors, defense attorneys, whatever, will be allowed and asked to evaluate judges.
What do you think? What what what do you know about this judge? And and based on all that, there's there's an evaluation that's sent out to the public so that they'll have an idea when they look at these judges how how to vote and what to do. Well, you know, deep in my darkest Republican hours, uh, every time I would look at those retention vote things, uh, I obviously I hadn't done any research.
I had no idea who any of these judges were. And I thought I was doing some kind of bold protest by voting no on every single one just to say, "Aha." And I look back and I go, "What was I protesting and what was that accomplishing?"
>> Right. Yeah. What were you trying to do?
I I you know, just because I see these judges, I know how hard they work. I I can hardly >> I don't do that anymore. I just want you to know that.
>> Well, we do have the president-elect of the Utah State Bar joining us this morning, Tyler Young. Tyler, thanks for joining us.
>> Yeah, no problem. My pleasure. Thanks, Jim. Thanks, Greg. Good to be back.
>> Absolutely. So, te talk to us about this year maybe more so than than at least I can remember in my short 44 years as an attorney that we're we're talking about judicial retention more than in the past. uh what what's going on and what should the public know about a judicial retention?
>> Yeah. Um I think you kind of touched on the highlights there. Um uh you know JPE is an organization that's out there to provide information to voters on judges.
It's really thorough analysis that JPEG does. Uh JPEG takes surveys from lawyers. They take surveys from actually courtroom staff um and from jurors and then they compile that information in a confidential manner. And I won't dive into the weeds of how they do that, but they actually try to redact information about um that that might indicate who was actually uh filling out the survey, but then they provide this to judges really at two points. The first point is um kind of halfway through the judge's term is my understanding as like a constructive thing for the judges to be able to look at where they're doing well and where they can improve. And then this information is also given to judges and the public um when a judge is up for retention election. And as Jim mentioned, um look, there's a lot of information there that um helps voters make decisions about whether or not they want to vote to to retain a judge. And obviously voters can rely on whatever information they want, but the bar thinks it's a great place to start for a whole lot of information about judges.
And um the last point on that, JPEG uh looks at um you know, a judge's uh legal abilities. It looks at uh their demeanor in the courtroom, how well they treat both sides, a whole bunch of different factors. And then they give that information to judges and and the public and they can make their decision about whether to retain judges based on that.
So I can go on and on, but does that kind of hit it?
>> Absolutely. Well, that's very helpful and I really wish I had known there was a resource like that when I was doing my protest no vote on everything. Uh because I mean you're just so you feel kind of as a layman you you feel very overwhelmed when you see this list of judges and you don't know anything about them and you don't really understand what the process is. I mean how does a how does a lay person sort of dip their toe into this and sort of look at the retention vote responsibly and in an informed way?
>> Yeah, good question that. So JPE has a website. Um, I don't have the the domain off off the top of my head, but uh if they just look up uh JPEG or judicial performance evaluation and Greg, you said committee commission. I'm uh uh I need to know.
>> Yeah, sorry. Um, but if they just if they Google that, they'll be able to look up every judge that's up for attention election and they can they can uh find that information there on the judge. And that's, you know, if they're just dipping their toe into it, that's a good certainly a good place to start and where the bar would recommend folks start. Um, I would also point out that that commission, um, is it's it's the commission that makes the recommendation whether or not to retain a judge because they actually make recommendations to the public on whether or not judges should be retained or not. Uh, that commission is a commission appointed from all three branches of our government. So the governor's office, so the executive branch, uh some members of the judiciary as well as uh members of of um uh the legislature. So um it's a it it's supposed to be nonbiased and and just to provide great information to the public. So if you're dipping your toe, that's a real good place to start.
>> All right, that was Utah State Bar President-elect Tyler Young. Thanks for joining us this morning, Tyler.
>> Yeah, thanks for having me. I want to say this about the performance evaluation that one of the things that's really not on the agenda that and it is JPEG commission. It is the commission.
Tyler's exactly right. Of course, is you don't you don't agree with a judge's ruling. I mean that's not >> I mean that's not justification to get rid of.
>> Well, no. I mean that that's what bothers me about what's happening right now. I mean I I said this before. I I lost a case at the Supreme Court this last year that I thought was wrong and I disagreed with their decision. But they're the justices. They're they're there for a reason. And and they're the high court in the land. And and if they say, "Scortis, you're wrong," then I'm wrong. I move forward. I I go to the next step. And uh we do things different next time. And I appreciate what they said. And I read these opinions and well, I don't may not agree with them. I I they're the judge. You know, it's it's like when you're in baseball, you don't agree with the balls and strikes, but there it's the umpire. You know what I mean? So, I just think we have such great judges right now. We have such incredible judges. The best judges in the country are in Utah right this minute. And so, it really bothers me what's happening that judges are being attacked personally based on their rulings. Um, boy, I hope that we maintain our current Supreme Court justices because they are the best in the country. Well, I I'll get off of that and when we come back, we're nearing the end of our show. We which means ta we get to the movie show. We have Andy Farnsworth and Val Cameron talking to us about the movie of the week. We'll join them in just a minute.
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>> That one's good at all stores. This is the day to come and get an extra monitor for your laptop or a television or you guys have a bunch of things. Like I got I got the coolest box one day, Val. It was like a boom box, but it had video on it. And it had like an HDMI input. It was like the evolution of boom boxes from back in the day. It does it all now. You can take it on a trip. You take it. It's just like the coolest little portable thing.
>> Carry it on my shoulder.
>> You could [laughter] and you could plug a hard drive. These are things that I didn't know existed until I found them at NPS and then I bought them because not only were they so cool, they were at such amazing prices.
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>> What are some of the things you guys do to get the prices this low for people who are new to this?
Like, how do you get them so low?
Because these are brand new items. These are not donated items. These are not returns. These are brand new items with their tags on them.
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>> So, you do your research. I know Julie has said if you find a deal on that at a legit website, >> Yes.
>> that's cheaper, you guys will match it and then give an extra 5%.
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>> So, you will beat any price if somehow you find it cheaper.
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and expanded inside sources. [music] Inside sources, it's that fun part of the week and that fun part of the show, Jim, when we get to go to the KSL movie show and talk to our movie show hosts, Andy Farnsworth and Val Cameron, who are currently today, I think, at the NPS store in Leighton. Is that right, Andy?
>> What's that? Where are you?
>> Yeah, we are at NPS and Leighton. Thank you. Sorry, I get so distracted by everything all the time that >> Val's distracting. I I got to get out of vacation brain and back into on air brain [laughter] as you could tell even by hesitating there. I obviously I'm I'm still at maybe 60 to 70%. But I believe by 11:00 I will be back to 100.
>> Hey, I want to know thanks to thanks to you guys. I went and I'm now seeing movies and I saw this project hell this last weekend.
>> Oh, that's such a great which is just an incredible movie. Anyway, I digress, but you guys >> see what you've been missing out on all these years, Greg. So, so what's the next movie I'm going to go see? What's the big movie this week?
>> Well, I don't know about you, but your wife might be super excited to go see the big movie, The Devil Wears Prada 2.
>> Have you seen the first?
>> No. So, that's >> it's 20 years old, so there's a chance >> I have seen the first.
>> Okay. So, you've seen the first. And in The Devil Wears Prada 2, the biggest question I thought going in, Val, and you were a bigger fan. I didn't see the Devil Wears Prada 1 until I believe it was Saturday of last week.
>> Yes.
>> And I finally saw it.
>> We didn't think you were going to do it, but you did.
>> But I did do it. I did do it. And I will say this, that actually kind of helped me because then it had everything fresh.
So in in all the kind of point backs to one that they put in two, I was like, "Oh, I get that. Oh, he called her six.
I know what that means." And um that that kind of helped me see where the similarities were. Um, but it also prevented me from having a 20-year buildup of an of of excitement and hope and expectations, which I actually think benefited me when I went and saw it last night at 10:00. [laughter] >> I think you're right. I I think it did.
>> And that I think helped me because I have found myself enjoying it. And I have seen some reactions where they're kind of disappointed that they feel like they got the same movie again. And I think they got similarities, but but as we'll talk about in the movie show, I think that there's reasons for that. I mean, if you're going to bring these characters back and you got to start with where you left them, >> I have to say, >> I mean, that's going to limit a little bit.
>> I was about to call you out because I thought there is no way that that first one was 20 years ago. It seems like it was like five years ago, but I just looked it up. 2006, [snorts] exactly 20 years. So, so tell us Val, if you if you liked the first one, will you love the second one?
>> I definitely loved the first one and I've seen it, you know, more than a dozen times over the last 20 years. I think if you're a super fan, you're going to go in and you're going to like whatever it is you see because there are some fun moments. There are a lot of really fun Easter eggs in this movie from the original. For me, it is one of those periods in time 20 years ago that you just can't capture that moment again. So, it doesn't have that same spark and that same kind of new feature.
Uh, they're trying to hit a new period in time that I don't know that they hit it on the nose. You know, they're trying to to get across that, you know, you're going from something that's tangible in these clothes and being in fashion to maybe something that hits AI, which is what we're all dealing with right now.
But I don't know that that's as magical as having, you know, Miranda um being uh the Miranda Priestly that she was sharp tonged and and on it. She kind of had to hold back in this movie because of the new world that she's in. And so it wasn't it wasn't as fun as it used to be. But >> she has an HR rep sitting with her at meetings [laughter] because there's things she's allowed to say and things she's not allowed to say, which I actually thought was one of the funnier little sort of running gags in the movie.
>> It is funny. But we all went, we've all been waiting for her for 20 years to just have that hardcore Miranda Priestley like jabs and I didn't get enough. I needed a little more of her.
It was funny. Um, you do get the magical of Stanley Tucci in there, which is going to save any movie for me anytime.
Um, but for me, it wasn't as magical as the first, but it was definitely fun.
>> Except Lovely Bones.
>> So So it's [laughter] >> it's a sequel, not a >> Sorry, that was a creepy movie with Stanley Tucci. It is the sequel. Yes.
Not a remake. It does bring back the same characters, almost all the characters. I mean, Andy's boyfriend, uh, Anne Hathaway's character's boyfriend from the first one's not back.
Um, instead, she's got an Australian boyfriend now.
>> Yeah. So, there are some new characters, and I do think the new characters, um, add something to it. The soundtrack is amazing. Um, just like the first one, but they add in some more kind of pop music into this one. Um, cameos. You have cameos. It's like happy Gilmore for the lady set.
>> Yeah. You have all the amazing clothes.
You have the amazing boots. You have clothes and purses that I will never ever be able to buy in my life. So, I'm living vicariously through Andy in both movies. So, again, there's some of that magic from the first, but for me, it just doesn't hit as hard because it's a whole different time. 20 years is a big gap between what what you can say and do back then to what you can say and do now. Um, so enjoyable but not as magical.
>> But I will say they finally do justice by one character in the movie that I didn't that I thought having watched the two of them close together for the first time.
>> I feel like it was that's a long 20-year wait for one of the characters to finally get justice for kind of how things ended in the first movie.
>> I don't want to give any war away for people who haven't seen it, but um I it's very vague and cryptic to you who haven't watched the movie. I realize that that one was code for some of the people that but I that's where I thought the movie justified itself was as much for that as anything else and the rest was kind of like what we wanted. We wanted to have these people back together so we needed two reasons. We needed a reason to get them all back together and then we needed some way to wrap all of that up. And I feel like there's even a door open for maybe a third one but >> Oh yeah, they never closed the door which is nice.
>> Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know.
>> I don't think they need a third.
>> I'm a fresh face on this though. So, uh, I I'm going to have a different perspective.
>> Okay. So, what's >> But that's what that's what The Devil Wears Prada 2 is. And we've got other good stuff. There's an animated movie that I just came out of nowhere. And I'm not talking about in theaters. I'm talking about on Netflix that I was like, "Dang, this is good." So, I'll be looking forward to telling people about that.
>> What's Go ahead. What's our question of the week?
>> Well, this is one I actually think you might be able to answer, Greg, because she has made so many movies. What is your favorite Merryill Streep movie?
Okay. So, >> obviously it's not Devil Wear's Prada for you because you haven't seen it.
>> Okay. We're going to start with Jim's.
Okay.
>> And sound bite from this one. You ready?
>> Well, so my answer to this, it's not really my favorite Merryill Street movie because this is actually I think the worst movie Meyer Street has ever been in, but it is absolutely my favorite Meyer Street performance because she's >> okay.
>> She elevates this movie in a way and and she plays so far against hype. The movie is Sheade Devil from 1989 >> with Roseanne Bar.
>> With Roseanne Bar.
>> Take off my dress.
>> You're not MY MOTHER.
>> I SAID MOVE.
>> I mean, there there you've got Meyer Street is the comic relief. In the movie, she plays this sort of bubbleheaded blonde romance novelist that is cheating on me on Roseanne Bar's husband. And so Roseanne Bar spends the entire movie making her life miserable and torturing all of them. And Roseanne Bar is absolutely awful. But Merryill Streep actually was nominated for a Golden Globe for this performance in this dreadful movie. And it showed just how strong her comedic chops were. It's it showed how much fun she can have even in a bad movie. And it just sort of opened up a whole new world in terms of my understanding of her because uh you know she's she has this reputation of doing all these very ponderous serious movies and really I as much as I don't like shevil as a movie I'd probably rather watch it rewatch it multiple times than sit through out of Africa once again. [laughter] Yeah. No, that I mean I'm looking at through her filmography and she had all these critical critically Kramer versus Kramer, Sophie's Choice, Out of Africa, Heartburn, and then she does Shevil.
>> Yep.
>> So, you just mentioned that my favorite uh Merryill Street movie and I had to go look at movies that she's done and and I'm not going to play any sound from this because everything we found was so mindlessly depressing. But Sophie's Choice I thought was an incredibly mo incredible movie. I didn't even realize she was in it. I I had no idea she was Sophie. And And it was a it was a very very good movie. One of those movies you only watch once in your lifetime. Uh but I thought I thought that it was an incredible a very very very good movie.
>> Anyway, that was mine.
>> All right, Val.
>> Nice. I mean, that's Everybody knows that's a very well-known movie for her.
Mine is Julie and Julia. It's Meyer Street, um Amy Adams, and Stanley Tucci.
And it's it's it's so lovely. There's so much good food in that movie. And you have you have Stanley Tucci and her back on screen together, which they are my favorite pairing um on in movies.
They're one of they're in like my top five. But anytime you have them plus food, like I'm in the whole way.
>> So you got them plus fashion, them plus food equals a hit for Val.
>> Yes.
>> And mine mine kind of goes along with yours, Jim, as far as comedic. She was in a movie called Defending Your Life, which I swear no one has seen.
>> I've seen it. I adore that movie.
>> That movie is so funny, so charming, and I that's my favorite movie that she's in.
>> She her role in that though is rather slight, I thought. I mean, it's all about >> Yes. She just >> she she's the perfect idyllic woman that Albert Brooks falls in love with.
>> Yes. Her life is like a a Hallmark card.
This is I think one of the lines.
>> Sounds like Jim needs to get on your show more often. Hey, we're over time and we're looking forward to your show.
We're going to turn it over to the movie show with Andy Farnsworth and Val Cameron and talk about the Devil Wars product two. Stay with us.
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