Cannes reactions, Emmy supporting comedy races and the movie ensemble magic we keep chasing

Ajouté : 2026-05-31

[00:00:07]Welcome everyone to the Awards 7 podcast. I'm Tony Ruiz.

[00:00:10]>> I'm Charlie Bright.

[00:00:13]>> And on this week's Oh, and yes, and Chris is there. Um Chris Zang joins us uh this week. Rob uh has some other uh uh things to attend to. Um so we are robless this week. Um, but we are going to do uh some uh recapping of the Can Film Festival. Uh, we're going to talk about uh where we see some of those some of the results of the Can Film Festival and how those might play into the Oscar season. I can't believe we're talking about that in May. Um, but let's face it, the Oscars have officially become like a year- round thing. Uh, we're also going to be talking about uh the supporting actor and actress categories at the Emmys in comedy. And uh later in the show, we're going to talk about our top five favorite ensemble films of all time. And uh Chris, you know, you uh have been following the Can Film Festival uh circuit fairly closely. Um I just uh want to hear what some of your thoughts are.

[00:01:18]Eh. Um, but no, no, I I actually was very I I actually was very um happy about like all the I know a lot of people are down on can because like it's it's because of the slate of films that were presented, but in when I look closely at some of the international films uh over there, I I'm actually really excited to uh see see quite a number of them. And uh in terms of the Palm Door winner, I mean, honestly, I should have seen I should have seen that coming given even though like there's different juries every year, uh they they've had a tendency to award uh let's just say um ambiguous family dynam films about ambiguous family dynamics and uh social class that examine like social classes like you know with Parasite, Triangle Sadness, Anatomy of a Paul, which is a lot of which is all uh the comparisons I've been hearing about uh Christian MJUs of Bujord. Um I mean and I mean I don't do early Oscar predictions at this point because you know why? But I I think it's safe to say that like a lot of these a lot of these you can fill out the uh best international film category at the Oscars with that with probably three or four of these films that uh premiered at can and uh yeah it's going to be interesting to see what will come of it. There's already a lot of chatter about whether Fior is uh will be eligible for best international film because >> it is according to the new it is according to the new rules.

[00:03:07]>> Okay. Cuz uh I personally we'll see what we'll see what the academy says but I person I personally I hope it's not just so we can see some excitement and make things interesting. Um yeah, the last thing I'll say is uh I think the big surprise that many people are talking about is the the film the Spanish film The Black Ball by uh a directing duo called uh Los Javis. Um uh which I've never I've never heard about them outside of their outside of their Drag Race uh Drag Race showings uh or they did an episode of Drag Race or something. But that's been getting a lot of strong reviews and uh and people are already there's already people very overestimating this movie saying it's going to get like saying it's going to get like double digits at the Oscars.

[00:03:59]And to that I say, you know, slow your roll cuz it's an international film. And uh for that to be to that level, it has to be like a parasite level undeniable contender for >> you're Amelia Perez.

[00:04:13]>> Yeah. And it has to and you know an international film would have to make like you know at least SAG ensemble and we all know how much SAG loves international films these days but yeah I'm excited to see a lot of these. I haven't seen um any films from Christian Mju I haven't seen four months three weeks two days um or or Andre Vagenvs. I totally did not have to look up his last name to say that.

[00:04:40]>> Vagen Sev.

[00:04:42]>> Yeah. Um I So yeah, it's going to be interesting.

[00:04:48]>> Well, you know, I I can report um I I don't know if you guys have been following this. I did some some very quick uh internet scouring today, but I know that uh Neon has picked up um has picked up Fior. Uh so we will definitely get that in our lovely um you know, screener package.

[00:05:10]>> Yeah, our lovely box set. They've also picked up uh Hamaguchi's All of a Sudden, which won uh its two leads. I I love how I don't know if I love how Can uh will sometimes honor two, three, four performances as just one acting winner.

[00:05:30]Um but that happened in both the best actor and actress category. Uh but yeah, uh Neon picked up Fjord All of a Sudden and James Gay's Paper Tiger. Uh movie picked up Minotaur, which won the Grand Prix, and Fatherland, which co-one director. They also picked up Coward, uh which won, uh the joint best actor prize, and then uh Black Ball has been picked up by Netflix and uh Jordan Firstman's Club Kid was picked up by A24. Those are the only ones that I uh was able to definitely confirm in a very short period of research. Uh Charlie, you uh you know made a lot of predictions. Uh and I don't even remember what they were because my brain is mush. It's the last week of school.

[00:06:16]Um what were your kind of thoughts?

[00:06:20]>> It seemed interesting. Uh it felt like this kind of what to Chris was saying here. It kind of felt like this year was a little muted. Um as opposed to the last several years where it really feels like films have exploded out of the festival. you know, like Anatomy of Falls, Zone of Interest, uh, Anora, and even going back to, you know, Parasite and Black Clansmen. Uh, but this one doesn't seem to, and I don't think that, um, uh, I'm, uh, as of, you know, right off the bat, looking at these as any really serious Oscar contenders. Um, maybe with the exception of, uh, Fatherland because we know that the Academy uh, really does love Pavo Palakoski. Uh remember uh the last time he was at can uh he won the directing prize there for Cold War and got a surprise lone Oscar nomination even though it didn't make it into best picture. So um you know his you know he's definitely fits that aur vision that uh there's usually at least one slot for in the directing race. Um, I am very interested in um uh what all of a sudden's going to be like because I looked at it and I think it's I it maybe I think it's longer than Drive My Car.

[00:07:33]It's 3 hours and 16 minutes. Um but uh it is by far the best reviewed out of the festival on Rotten Tomatoes has 100% rating right now. Um, I mean, uh, it's probably going to be another very slowm moving movie that is gonna just eat away at my patience, but we'll see. You never know. Um, uh, I'm I am excited for, uh, Fjord. I think it's interesting. Uh, I did I I haven't seen many of Christian Munju's movies, but I have seen Four Four Months, Three Weeks, and Two Days, and that was an incredible movie. Uh so um and his and he's actually been and he's like one of those people that can he's like kind of like kind of like the d the dardens, you know, whenever he's in can he usually uh he's usually a prize winner of something. Um I'm very excited for um Coward uh the Lucas Dunk movie. I'm I'm very excited for that.

[00:08:28]And I am very excited for uh the Black Ball uh especially because I think it's also interesting that you know those two directors not only are they a directing team they're also married to each other.

[00:08:39]So that is the first spousal awarded uh best director prize.

[00:08:42]>> I think they broke up according to Wikipedia they broke up.

[00:08:46]>> Oh okay then. Okay then they're well still they're ex- spouses which makes the collaboration >> that's even funnier >> which makes the collaboration even more of an achievement. Um, uh, I I the only thing I'm a little disponded about is that, uh, the film that I was most excited for is by far the worst reviewed movie, uh, this year at the festival.

[00:09:08]Parallel Tales, the new Assari movie, has a whopping 19% on Rotten Tomatoes out of 27 reviews.

[00:09:20]So, uh, maybe it'll maybe it'll be a glorious mess and it'll be fun to and it'll still be fun to watch, but I'm I am very excited, uh, with these. I'm also excited for the new James Shanbound movie. Has that has has that been picked up, uh, by anybody yet?

[00:09:34]>> Not that I saw, but I I I didn't really look for that one.

[00:09:39]>> Okay. But >> what's that one called?

[00:09:43]>> 824 will probably do. They did I saw who did they pick up? I saw the TV glow, >> I believe. So, >> okay.

[00:09:52]>> So, yeah. So, that's that's where I am with the Can Film Festival. I'm very I'm very interested to see where it goes. I mean, four of the last six um winners of The Palm Door have gone on to score best picture nominations. So, you know, it's it's something to keep in it's something it's something to definitely keep in mind. We're just going to have to wait and see. I think when festival season comes around uh and we see you know tellide Toronto, Venice and Middberg uh to see how it plays there and whether it gets the rapturous um uh gets a rapturous uh reception there.

[00:10:28]>> Yeah. Movie movie picked up Teenage.

[00:10:31]>> Okay.

[00:10:34]Well, you know, speaking of uh films that could uh make, you know, could show up back again at the Oscars, uh we're getting some of the first initial reactions to Steven Spielberg's uh new movie, um Disclosure Day. And I don't know if you all have if y'all have seen some of the early reactions.

[00:10:55]um they are quite uh you know falling all over themselves saying you know some people are saying this is his best movie in 20 years you know uh uh I am trying to stay away from as as much of that noise as possible um because I just want to go in as as blind as humanly possible um but uh what kind of what's your level of excitement about uh disclosure day Chris Uh, I mean, I saw the only thing I've seen of that movie was the trailer and uh, it looked okay. Um, it seemed more along the lines of his like other of Stephen Spielberg's other like sci-fi um, sci-fi films that don't get as much recognition at the Oscars. um something like I don't know his Indiana Jones his Indiana Jones sequels or the BFG or Ready Player One or any of those. Um I don't I don't think the critic go I'm going to wait until the critic reactions are out because right now it's just I think it's just social media reactions that are uh praising this movie. And you know that's kind of that's kind of a PR thing. Uh that's all all there's a sequence of of of reactions that the studio wants to generate first but to encou generate like a lot of like excitement for it. Uh and I mean but I'm excited to see what what come what comes of it. And yeah I when does it come out? July June >> I think mid June.

[00:12:39]>> June June 12th. June 12th.

[00:12:41]>> Yeah.

[00:12:41]>> So, yeah. Um, I'm gonna take these reactions with a grain of salt because, you know, I remember people were hyping up Gladiator 2 back when back in the day and, uh, well, we all know how that turned out.

[00:12:56]>> Charlie, >> I am excited for it. Um, I'm trying to like you, Tony, I I uh I really try to avoid um reading I'll I'll look maybe at the broad critical consensus, but I won't look at specific like reviews because I like to keep myself uh I always remember one of the one of the uh I remember reading a review years ago when I uh for Shudder Island and uh in the Washington Post and they in the in the review I think in like the second sentence of the review it mentioned that there was a twist and I was thinking thinking of all the twists it could have been and the twist ended up being my second guess. So I I I don't like so I don't so I really do like to stay away from that. But from what I've been hearing um not only has there has the reception for the film been positive so far, but the reception for uh Emily Blunt's performance has is what I've been seeing a lot of people talk about and that actually is making me more excited for it because I really do uh I I love Emily Blunt. I think she's a fabulous actress and um I would love for her to uh score a second Oscar nomination and actually have it be uh a performance that is worthy of her being nominated for best actress. I would love to see that.

[00:14:09]>> Yeah, not a lot of actors have gotten from Spielberg films.

[00:14:14]>> Yeah, it's only recently because I think Daniel D Lewis was Yeah, Daniel D. was the first one >> and Mark Ryland and Ariana Deose and and the Fableman Fableman actors.

[00:14:26]>> Yeah. His films have never been magnets for acting performance nominations.

[00:14:32]>> Yeah. Yeah. You always I always wondered about that, you know, like you take something like, you know, Schindler's List of course, you know, got Liam Niss and Ray Fines, but you know, I know a lot of people I remember going, I wonder how come Ben Kingsley wasn't nominated or, you know, >> was a previous Oscar winner.

[00:14:50]>> Yeah, especially as a winner and especially when he got nominated for Bugsy. Um, but that's a whole another thing. Uh, I'm I'm excited about it. You know, Stephen Spielberg doing a sci-fi movie, you know, just Yes. sign me up. You know, that's like Stephen Spielberg sum summer summer sci-fi movie. Yes. Yes. And John Williams doing the score. I mean, come on.

[00:15:17]>> That's a That's an immediate That's an immediate Oscar nomination for John Williams. So, >> yes. Oh, somebody said John John Williams' name. Oscar nomination. Um, so, um, I did want to just, uh, briefly, just because I'm a catty [ __ ] um, I did want to just bring up some something that was in the news that made me just happy.

[00:15:40]Um, have you all followed the, uh, the Tom Hardy scandal about uh, Mob Land?

[00:15:48]>> Haven't seen the show, but yeah.

[00:15:51]uh from uh very distant uh uh headlines basically.

[00:15:56]>> Yeah. So apparently um you know continuing the theme that goes all the way back to Mad Max Fury Road and if you if you haven't read the book about MadMax the making of Mad Max Fury Road, please do. Um but yeah, apparently Tom Hardy is pulling the same shenanigans. Um, you know, they were filming season 2 and there was apparently a lot of uh, you know, creative disagreements uh, between himself and the producers.

[00:16:27]Uh, you know, Jez Butterworth, you know, the great uh, playwright is the is the uh, writer and kind of showrunner. Uh, apparently he was like refusing to come out of his trailer and making Pierce Brosman and Helen Mirren wait. Um, >> that seems like a bad idea. Um, >> I didn't even know you could do that.

[00:16:47]>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I think there's something in the SAG handbook about that. Um, do not keep Miss Mirren waiting. Um, but uh yeah, and then they fired him from the third season. Uh, so that'll be interesting. I mean, I know a lot of people that just love that show, that just absolutely love, you know, that kind of, you know, pulpy, uh, you know, crime drama. Uh, but, uh, yeah, it's like, do you really want to work Tom Hardy? Cuz I don't think this is helping you.

[00:17:23]>> He'll have a redemption arc.

[00:17:26]There's actually uh news that came out today that his PR team again is trying to do a 180 saying he wasn't fired and now negotiations are happening for him to be brought back creatively. Um so yeah, the those team is is getting paid well for that. I originally thought Mob Land was a Taylor Sheridan show before I looked it up.

[00:17:51]>> That's understandable.

[00:17:54]But like what they're saying, but like what they're saying, uh, I have the same attitude as that as I have towards the straight of Hormuz. I'll I'll believe it when I see it.

[00:18:04]>> Ooh, topical.

[00:18:06]>> Just as V and just as volatile, apparently.

[00:18:09]>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I keep hearing about ceasefires and then we're bombing people as soon as I hear about ceasefire. So, you know, I I think people need to actually look up the definition of the word ceasefire cuz I I don't think people understand that.

[00:18:24]>> People need to >> Yeah. Um, let's just very quickly talk about uh what we're watching. I have been uh in uh grading hell uh trying to get my final grades in for my students graduate uh tomorrow night. Uh >> give them all these.

[00:18:42]>> Yeah. Yeah. It it it it's it's sort of along the lines of h this feels like a B+. Okay. Um just did some visual humor for those of you that are just listening. Um uh so I haven't watched anything. Um Chris, you're our guest. Uh what are you watching?

[00:19:03]>> Okay. I've actually seen a lot over the last couple months, but to save time, I'll I'll talk only talk about a little bit and save the rest for for another time. Um, but to condense it as best I can, I have been I have been watching uh everyone listening, brace yourselves because I'm about to trash a lot of shows. Um, but I've been starting with uh the limited series, the current limited series contenders as I've seen Beef, Halfman, Love Story, I'm in the middle of all three shows and uh honestly uh it's taken a lot out of me to try and finish all three of them. Um but and com couple that with what I've seen with Black Rabbit and DTF St. Lewis and all her fault. Um, yeah, this year, I don't know what it is this year, but like nothing's grabbing me. This reminds me of 2018 where I looked at the best limited series category lineup and I'm like really that that's it. That's that's what they nominated. Um, I'll ba but basically like um a lot of their shows I don't know. It's just I'm not buying a lot of the stakes and the choices and the narrative story structures and and the character development essentially from from all of these. And I don't know what it is. It's just nothing's nothing's grabbing me. Um but I had but one limited series I did like uh that I saw was Death by Lightning. Um, and that's a and I'm not into a lot of uh historical uh dramas, but that that is really fantastic. Uh, especially the performances of Michael Shannon and Matthew McFadian, and I wish that could get more Emmy attention, and I hope it does. Um, and uh I've been seeing uh some Broadway shows cuz I live close to the city. Uh, two plays, two musicals. Uh the musicals being two strangers carry a cake across New York which I loved. Um really reminds me of the last five years with it's like two character two character uh intimacy studies. Um I saw Ragtime uh which I really love and I hope it wins. I hope both of them win.

[00:21:34]Uh Giant, the play by John Lithco and A Cash who I love from uh You're the Worst that they give such good performances.

[00:21:42]Um, I hope John Let's Go wins. I haven't seen Death of a Salesman, uh, because one, the tickets are $500, and two, why must I? Uh, if you know, you know. And then the last one I saw before the Tony nominations came out was a play called Proof. Um, which every high school drama student has ever done in every school.

[00:22:07]And, uh, let's just say I understood why I got nothing.

[00:22:12]Uh because uh no disrespect, but I think I owe a Debory I think she needs to take a break. Um I think she I she's been doing she's been doing a lot of genres and a lot of mediums in such a short amount of time that I don't that it's really let's just say it's really showing in her performances, especially like after I saw After the Hunt. Um, and it also makes me think uh about how Cara Young when I when I was watching the show, it makes me think Cara Young would have been a great Sydney on the Bear if the the schedules and the opportunities lined up because she no offense as far as the performance I saw, she acts circles around the entire cast. It's clear after seeing her from in Cost of Living and Pearly Victorious, she is made for the stage. She is such she is so natural and authentic in her performances. Um speak and last thing I watched speaking of if you know you know uh this is a deep cut I started watching 30 something cuz the whole show is on YouTube and I just thought well let me check this out and it's really good. It really this is my first 80s drama. Um, I've the only '9s dramas I've ever seen were like NYPD Blue and The Practice, you know, the first few seasons of it.

[00:23:39]Uh, but this is my first '8s drama outside of reruns of, you know, Matt Lock and Murder She Wrote and like Wise Guy on TV. And uh yeah, this show really uh the Edward Zwick and Marshall Herskovitz TV shows. I really love their writing and how they explore uh the true human emotions during that time period of like what expectations are set and the social classes and redefining the terms of say masculinity and feminism and it's just a great ensemble of characters. I'm I'm only like maybe nine 10 episodes in, but I really like it. Um it's a shame. It's a real shame that one of their uh better male performances is a uh child creep.

[00:24:29]Um which now that I think about it, speaking of wise guy, also features another prominent storyline actor who is also a child creep. Uh again, if you know, you know. But yeah, um I've seen more, but I'll save that for another time.

[00:24:47]Also, uh, you know, since you brought up Carrie Young, uh, I hope that you, uh, I hope that you check out, uh, is God is, um, uh, which she's phenomenal in. I mean, she's she is going to be one of our greats. I I truly do believe that cuz I think there's just nothing she >> I wish I saw per I was had a chance to see Purpose last year. Um, I also might go back and see The Ballisters because I really love David Lindseay Bear. Uh, but we'll see. We'll see what what my what my uh budget is.

[00:25:24]>> Charlie.

[00:25:26]>> Yeah, I'm not surprised that those tickets for Death of a Salesman are going. I'm I'm more shocked that Death of a Salesman is playing at the Winter Garden, which is one of the biggest Broadway theaters out there. I remember going to see Beetlejuice there and going, "Holy [ __ ] this this theater is huge." And so the idea of like, you know, a play playing there, it like blows my mind.

[00:25:47]Um, uh, I think I mentioned last week that I had watched Half Man. I think the final episode, uh, comes out tonight.

[00:25:54]Uh, so I will be very interested to see what, um, uh, the reaction is to the conclusion of the story. Um, I did watch I finally watched The Burrows, which I actually, which I enjoyed. Um, it it I I'm guessing it's just a limited series because I really don't see how they can do a second season of it. Um, uh, but I I really liked I thought Alfred Molina and Alfrey Woodard were and Dennis O'Hare were all fantastic. Um, uh, but uh other than that, I think that's been uh my main thing. Right after uh we're done uh recording this, I'm going to go in uh to the living room. I'm at my mom's place and we are going to watch the final two episodes of Hacks and we just cannot believe it's coming to an end.

[00:26:40]Also, why is it that Paul Why is it that Paul W. Dans looked even sexier in a girl's outfit from a store called Sassifrass? It's not fair. It's seriously not fair.

[00:26:52]>> I thought of you the other day because uh um something came up on my YouTube feed of Paul W. downs doing like his usual workout for men's health and I was like, "Oh, I got to send this to Charlie."

[00:27:08]>> Well, that's going that's going in so many young little gay boy spank bank. I tell you that.

[00:27:13]>> Him and Megan Stalter, they're really making the rounds. Like I just everywhere every every red carpet I see them, they're wearing like matching outfits and I'm like this is this is really good marketing. Bravo. Bravo to their team.

[00:27:27]>> Yeah. Although it was funny, they they they presented at the American Music Awards. Um, and I only know that because I happened to walk through the living room and it was on TV and I was like, "Oh." And they were presenting and they had some banter that I was like, uh, that it fell completely dead in front of this crowd of like, you know, social media teenagers. Um, I was like, hm, maybe not the best audience for that. Um, >> well, didn't it didn't I didn't really go over well at SAG either.

[00:27:59]>> Yeah, that's true. That's true. Um, but hey, you know, visibility is a good thing. Um, speaking of those two, I think that's a great segue to kind of talk about our uh our topic today, which is uh looking at the supporting actor and actress categories uh in comedy uh at the Emmys and uh just kind of pulling up uh some of the uh predictions at Gold Derby. Uh pretty much everybody has Hannah Einbinder out in front, which I think is great. Um, you know, one viral moment that I think is going to kind of really help her is, uh, you know, they prep they premiered the final season for a invited audience and they were doing a Q&A afterwards and Hannah Einbinder got emotional, legitimately emotional, and then um, turned it into a comedy bit of her falling down on the floor uh, and sobbing. Um, but I think, you know, we're going to see a lot of a lot of the a lot of the standard people. I think we're going to see, you know, Janelle James, Cheryl Ralph. Um, we'll probably see Jessica Williams from Shrinking. Uh, we'll probably see, uh, we could see, you know, Liza Colonas. I know nobody remembers, uh, season 4 of The Bear. Um, but season 5 of The Bear is, you know, going to be airing during voting and, you know, if she has a a a strong episode that could certainly help her.

[00:29:36]Um, also speaking of Death of a Salesman, Lori Metaf uh could make a return uh for Big Mistakes, the Netflix show by by Dan Levy. Um u you know, what are what are your guys' thoughts, Charlie?

[00:29:52]Um, I think, you know, it's it's fair to say that uh Hannah Einbinder is probably out front for this again. Um, I think that um I have loved uh watching the how much her character has matured over the course of the show and we're and you really see it manifest this season. Um, I loved I loved uh the episode where she's sleeping with the sex worker who's also a magician and she's more embarrassed by the fact that he's a magician.

[00:30:24]>> The fact that he's a she's proud of him being a sex worker, but when she finds out he's a magician, she's like, "Oh, I thought that was absolutely hysterical." And um uh she has several great episodes this season. the the the episode with Cherry Jones where they pretend they're they pretend her and Jeene Smarter lovers was hysterical and the episode where Alex Moffet plays the AI douchebag. She was fantastic. And um I I really have just I've loved her on this. But um I am looking at you know some of the usual suspects like Jessica like Janelle James uh who should also get a voice acting nomination for her work on strip. She's fantastic on that show. um uh and Cheryl Lee Ralph and Jessica Williams who I think could be a very big who I think could be a very big sleeper if uh this uh new season of shrinking hits the way that I think it will. Um I do have Liza Cologne Zia getting in. I am uh I've taken out uh I had uh Carol Bernett and Allison Janney both in for Palm Royale, but it feels like that second season is just basically landing with a thud and then nobody's really paying attention to it.

[00:31:27]And I've put in uh Megan uh Statatler.

[00:31:32]Although I'm very wary because I produced I at the last season I did predict her to get in and she did not.

[00:31:38]And but but it was also weird cuz Paul WD Downs after getting in didn't get in that last season. So you know whatever with that. And in my last slot I'm actually putting in Ashley Padilla for Saturday Night Live. She has been uh from what I've been seeing and what I from what I've seen and from what I'm reading from uh fans of the show, she is she is the breakout star of this season.

[00:32:02]And I think that uh she and I I think that if anybody from SNL uh will get nominated as a cast member, it's probably her and uh Bowen uh possibly Bowen on the male side since it is his uh Swan song.

[00:32:20]Yeah. Yeah. Chris.

[00:32:22]>> Yeah. I I think Ashley Padilla um I mean I I don't know how uh for for a new cast member uh she would have to like uh resonate really quick and really popular with voters in order to get a nomination. But she does have an open field uh now that like Khloe Fineman isn't probably isn't in contention.

[00:32:45]Speaking of child, anyway, I don't that's been a common theme. I don't I didn't expect to like say that as much as I >> as much as I would, but um yeah, Hannah Ironbinder, Jean Smart's going to win. So, why not Hannah Ironbinder for this final season, especially now that uh the studio is not in contention and then there's a lot of these other open slots. Uh uh one show that I'm looking out for which I haven't seen yet but it's it is going to be a fresh it's going to be a fresh uh new face in this category would be the Apple show Marggo's Got Money Troubles which I've been hearing a lot of good things about particularly with Michelle Feifer. Um, and so, uh, I'm interested to see where that goes. And yeah, uh, Shrinking really, um, I'm interested to see how the third season of Shrinking performs because, um, it's been slowly rising, but it's still like in those singledigit nominations, um, I remember as someone who looks at the ballots for writing and directing, one of their biggest, uh, missteps is they submit too many episodes in both those categories. So that's why they'll never they can't land a can't land a nomination either of those categories.

[00:34:03]But depending on how uh the this third season, which I haven't seen, uh does as a whole, um it'll be uh something uh to to uh debate about uh to see uh whether anything can stop Hannahbinder. And uh as far as The Bear goes, you know, my my no guts no glory prediction until July whenever is the bear misses comedy series, but that's not going to happen in a lineup of eight. So, oh, but we can hope. Um or not, if that's your thing. Um speaking of which, uh same thing in supporting actor. I feel like supporting actor is a little bit more wide open. Um because so many of uh you know we don't have last year's winner Jeff Hiller who was a surprise winner of course. Um so you know right now I think a lot of people are you know defaulting to Harrison Ford. Uh I I see a lot of people also have Michael Yuri considering both of them got in last year but we don't have uh we don't have Ike Baron Holtz. So, you know, is Coleman Domingo going to come back for the Four Seasons? Uh, Tyler James Williams for Rabbit Elementary, Paul W.

[00:35:17]Downs for Hacks. Um, you know, is Nick Offerman, speaking of Margot's got money troubles, you know, Nick Offerman, you know, certainly has never gotten the Emmy attention in comedy that he has deserved. uh you know but uh you know some people are also you know could we see a return of you know Bowen Yang for that final you know chances are he's going to submit that final episode that that he did uh his swan song but uh is Evan Boss Backrack going to come back?

[00:35:48]Um you know he won twice in a row could come back. Um what do you think Charlie?

[00:35:55]You go first.

[00:35:57]I think this it's this one just feels so wide open and this and when you have a field that's this wide open, anything is possible with the nominations and anything's possible with the winner. I think um you know the win by Jeff Hiller last year was such a refreshing surprise reminiscent of the surprises that we used to get more uh more regularly at the Emmys before this more uh consensus view of voting uh came into uh thing. Uh the one wild card that I have in my predictions right now that I think might be interesting is uh Ben Kingsley for uh Wonderman. Um, I think uh that that show has gotten a lot of uh good press and I know that and a lot of praise has been heaped especially on uh Yaya Abdul Matin II and Ben Kingsley and uh the idea of you know him you know an Oscar winner doing something uh doing something that's this comedic and and could be embraced like this um I think is very I think that's something to keep an eye out for.

[00:37:00]But I'm also really also even though I haven't seen the season three of shrieking already rooting for Harrison Ford first of all because I keep on I keep on forgetting to bring this up. I forgot to bring this up after the SAG awards but I thought his speech uh when he received the Life Achievement Award was just lovely and you could because you could tell he was truly moved by it and I would love to see him win something competitive which I don't think we've ever seen him win anything competitive um at least in my lifetime.

[00:37:29]Uh, all I've seen him win is the Deil Award and the SAG and the SAG Life Achievement Award. Uh, but he's always been so so wonderful on Shrinking. He's he's he he balances his performance always with being outrageously funny.

[00:37:45]Genuinely funny, but also just genuinely heartfelt and sincere. And um you know it it I remember when I watched the first season of shrinking I was like you know I keep for I I can't believe how much it always leaves my head how great an actor Harrison Ford is. And so um I know I'll be rooting for I'll be rooting for him and um I I though if uh Paul W.

[00:38:12]DS does show up at the Emmys in his Sassifrass outfit I will be rooting for him to win.

[00:38:18]You're so shallow and I and and I approve of this.

[00:38:22]>> So shallow. The song Shallow can take notes from me.

[00:38:29]>> Yeah. Uh whenever I think about Harrison Ford, I always I don't even know. I already forgot which Indiana Jones movie this is, but it's the one where he's like fighting with Kiwi Quan in Chinese.

[00:38:40]and his Chinese is actually good, unlike most pe American actors who speak Chinese. Um, while um what's the blonde actress? It's Steven Spielberg's ex-wife or something.

[00:38:53]>> No, current wife. Current wife Kate Capta.

[00:38:56]>> Okay. Yeah, her current wife is just screaming around getting just screaming like around around like getting scared by like rattlesnakes and those two don't give a [ __ ] Um >> that's Temple of Doom. That's definitely Temple of Doom.

[00:39:08]and they're just arguing about whether about cards and stuff and it's just so funny. Um, yeah, last year I think we can all agree that last year the supporting acting category in terms of nominations was the most surprising and refreshing uh list of nominees given like how given who missed and what got in and who eventually won. Um, so I I'm hoping that can al can be the case this year, though I'm not confident on a lot of like outside contenders. Um, I I honestly for didn't know for the four seasons was eligible this this Emmy cycle. Um, uh, but yeah, I mean, Coen Domingo, I mean, he he I mean, he pro he does have a lot he does have a lot of Emmy legacy, so who knows? he might be the again once again the lone nomination for that show again. Um and uh yeah um but I I think the field is definitely wide open again without the studio without with with no pass no like particular passion pick as of this moment. I think Carrison Ford like has garnered enough goodwill uh especially on this show uh to you know just pave the way like very easily to like to a win.

[00:40:33]I would also just I I also think we can't sleep on yes, it's broadcast, but uh Daniel Radcliffe um certainly came away with the lion share of the good reviews for the uh rise and fall or fall and rise of Reggie, whatever the hell his name is.

[00:40:48]Um I haven't watched that show so I don't remember what the name of it is. Um but uh you know Daniel Radcliffe is certainly on a roll right now.

[00:40:58]>> It's like the life and times of Reggie Deakons or something like that.

[00:41:02]Reggie Deakons. Yeah. Um, something like that. Um, all right. Well, >> I would also throw in I would also throw in keep an eye out, you know, not just Bow and Yang from SNL, but also uh Marcelo Hernandez has been having he's been break he's really been uh uh like I think like the male star of the show for the past for the past like two three years. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get in either. Honestly, Bowen Yang, he could submit and guess because I don't think he was I think he was on less than 50% of the of the season if he wanted to.

[00:41:40]>> Um, all right. Um, so let's uh get into this week's top five. So, we're taking a break from our from our Emmy top fives.

[00:41:49]Don't worry, we'll get back to it. Um but uh we wanted to you know have a little spreading of the wealth uh particularly when it comes to ensembles and um so we're going to do our top five favorite ensemble films and you know every film to a certain extent is an ensemble unless it's a mono drama but uh but you know I think that uh certain films just kind of you know you go there and you don't remember one performance, you remember all the performances, you remember all the characters. And so that's where we're going to go. Uh so our top five uh favorite ensemble films. Chris, why don't you start us off with your number five?

[00:42:36]>> Okay. Well, obviously it wouldn't be an ensemble film list if I didn't include a Wes Anderson movie. Uh now I know objectively you know his films like the Grand Puda Pest Hotel and the Royal Tannon Bombs those are probably more cohesive and more ensembly uh than the one I'm about to choose. But like I'm going to for the sake of this list I like to like give a lot of underrated films uh some shout out and recognition.

[00:43:06]The same thing I would do for the Emmy list uh for the for the with top winners in the each category because there's as we know there's so so much overlap and repeat winners and those things. So, but my number five is Moonrise Kingdom.

[00:43:22]Uh and I I just really I just really enjoy this movie. Um, it's headlined by uh two uh child actors uh being uh Cara Hayward and um uh shoot what's Jared Gilman uh uh uh as the as two uh kids who fall in love and run away. Um but it's really it's supported by a great ensemble cast of very uh a a range of uh of such uh famous actors like Edward Norin of course Bill Murray, Bruce Willis in the in his first Wes Anderson movie, Francis McDorman, Tilda Swinton, Jason Schwarzman. Um, and it's just a how they all come together and how their relationships are explored to um to contrast with the with the children's relationship. Um, and how it explores like, you know, young love, sexuality, um, teenage mental health, um, it's it's such it's just a really feel-good uh, movie. Um, and all the ensemble of characters when they're all in a scene, it's just it it comes together just very well. So, yeah, that's my subjective pick.

[00:44:42]>> Charlie, >> a bit of a cheat. My number five is a tie between two of my favorite ensemble comedies. Uh, one being probably one of the most definitive ensemble comedies of all time, and that's 1963's It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World. I mean, dear God, just the opening credits alone is just like it's just filled with stars. It's unbelievable. You know, Milton Burl, Sid Caesar, Ethel Murman, Mickey Rudy, Buddy Haget, Jonathan Winters, Jimmy Duranti, uh uh uh uh uh what's what's the guy from the producers who plays LSD? Um Dick Shawn, um just this this insane insane insane. and Spencer Tracy. My god, Spencer Tracy, so great. Especially when he's screaming with his uh daughter on the phone and his wife's on the other one and he's holding the phone up to each other and he's yelling, "LISTEN TO YOUR MOTHER, BILLY SUE." Um uh it's just just complete madness. And I think it's really the uh the original uh ensemble comedy and just like let's get a bunch of stars into a movie and see what happened. And this one just it works so well. Oh god. and Phil Silver's. What are you telling me? You said this river was shallow. What's wrong with you, kid?

[00:45:58]Um, but I that is tied with uh one of my personal favorites and it's one that almost made it into my under appreci my underrated comedies and that's What Hot American Summer. Um, uh, dear God, is that movie just so brilliant and the way the cast interacts with each other is so great. And especially because when you watch it now and you see all these people that are like major comedy star or and major just stars now, Bradley Cooper, Paul Rudd, Amy Per, Molly Shannon, and then also going to, you know, David Height Pierce, seeing a different we always knew that he was funny, but seeing a different comedic side to him. He's so freaking great in that. and uh Janine Goff and oh my god the scene where the scene where uh Janine Goff and her and a couple of the people are like running around looking for people. They're just screaming and it's just it's pure comedy gold. It's just fantastic. I love that movie so much and I could watch it every week and uh laugh my ass off. Uh those are my two favorite ensemble just straight up comedies. So that's my cheat.

[00:47:07]Uh I was almost going to cheat for my number five and I am also going into the ensemble category uh comedy uh sort of approach. Uh and that basically was going to be the kind of collective works of Christopher Guest. Uh but I decided not to cheat and pick what was actually my favorite. And I know people have their favorites. They have their Waiting for Guthman's. They have their best in shows. Mine has always been and will always be a mighty wind. Um, you know, Eugene Levy and Christopher Guest and Harry Sheerer, Michael McKeen, Katherine O'Hara. Uh, but down to the small John Michael Higgins and uh, uh, Jane Lynch, Parker Posey, Bob Baliban practically steals that movie. Um, >> Ed Begley Jr. and his Yiddish.

[00:48:00]>> Yeah. Fred Willard, you know, uh that that movie is just pure gold.

[00:48:07]And what makes it, I think, is that it also really strangely has a heart, which of course that heartbeat was Kathern O'Hara. Um, you know, doing some actual like, you know, these were ridiculous characters, but there was also a soul to them, which was kind of a through line in all of that kind of string of Christopher Gas movies. But, you know, if I have to pick my favorite, uh, I just have to go with that one. Um, you know, watching them at the end of the movie, the montage of the new Main Street singers being like the Supreme Folk where they're Supreme Court justices during the day, and Fred Willard is like, I was shocked to learn that there were nine Supreme Court justices.

[00:48:48]>> I thought, was there budget cuts or something?

[00:48:53]and and Paul Douly as the elder kind of main street singer who does who holds a guitar, never plays it, just randomly snaps his fingers like he'd rather be anywhere else. Um I I just think those are that movie is just gold. Um okay, Chris number four.

[00:49:11]>> All right, I just finished this movie two weeks ago. It was a huge blind spot.

[00:49:17]Um, so Robert Alman is one of my favorite directors, um, along with Hamaguchi and others. Uh, it's Nashville. Uh, and I I'm I I'm sad I waited this long to like watch it, but um, if we ever do a Robert Alman top five Robert Alman, I still to this day don't know if that would be on my top in my top five just because he has so many uh, so many great ones that I connect with. But this one especially, I want to talk about ensemble films. This this throws so many so many characters, dozens of characters uh at you uh per minute and and it's just so it's so everyone says it, but it's it's really such a timeless exploration of where we are of where this country is, especially the the toxicity of stardom and uh and of and the exploration of like who we admire and uh all the myth of the you know, American Dream and all that stuff. It's all these characters, they just come, they really they really come so come together so well. Um, particularly like, you know, Lily Tom, people like Lily Tomlin, um, Barbara Baxley, Ned Batty, uh, Ronnie Blakeley, Keith Keredine, um, Shelley Duval even has a small part in this. um the way it explores uh explores the deeper themes through the through country music and political and uh political um rallies and and uh uh and campaigns. It's I I'm still like sitting on it and like processing like what I how much how much I've watched because there's just so many characters and story lines to digest and how they all how they all blend together in like that final in that final sequence.

[00:51:15]>> Yeah. And I'm Easy is just one of the great original song winners. Um and I just love that Keith Keredine has an Oscar. Um uh Charlie, your number four.

[00:51:27]My number four is probably uh it's it's the deepest cut and probably obscurity, but it is one of my favorite and it is actually it's a comedy too. It's very dark comedy from 2002 uh called Iggy Goes Down. Uh this was the film that introduced me to Kieran Kulkin. So before everybody was all about him on Succession, I was all about him in 2002 with Iggy Goes Down and that's when I was like this kid is insanely talented.

[00:51:54]you have this it's it's a great um you know exploration of you know mental health and the way it reverberates in a family and also especially when you have like people that are just like obsessed about what appearances are. Um you have this incredible cast of Kieran Kulkin, Amanda Pete, uh Jeff Goldlum, Susan Sandon, Ryan Philippies really [ __ ] funny in this movie. Uh, and even uh Jared Harris playing uh Amanda Pete's very flamboyantly gay uh roommate. Uh, very funny. And Bill Palman also uh in this movie. It's it's a really uh um uh it's weird. It's touching in a in a sort of morbid way, especially when considering, you know, I mean, the film opens with, you know, Ryan Philippe and Kim Koker brothers and they're killing their mother S played by Zeus Zandon. Um although you know um it's just it I just love it as as a great family ensemble black comedy. And um if uh you haven't seen that movie, do yourself a favor, check it out. It's pretty damn good.

[00:53:07]Um my number four is uh another kind of deep cut. I think I've talked about it on the show before, but uh Mike Lee's Topsy Turvy, which uh is his film uh about the making of Gilbert and Sullivan's The Maccato. Um, many of the actors in this are people that I had never heard of and I have since heard a lot of. Uh, Jim Broadbent, Lesie Manville, Alan Corder, uh, even there's a young Andy Circus in this, a young, uh, Kevin McKidd. Uh, you know, just and and it's it's so it just feels like you're watching a documentary. Um, and the the the the jelling of the cast.

[00:53:54]Timothy Spall, who is, you know, kind of heartbreaking in this in this film. Um, it's such a it's such a film full of joy and about art and and music and creating.

[00:54:08]I can't say enough about this film. It's a it's in my opinion, it's an underrated gem. Uh it got a lot of awards traction that year, but I feel like uh you know Mike Lee's films, you know, there they they they are very niche films. Um but his body of work is so eclectic and I just think this is uh one of his finest uh films. Um all right, Chris, number three.

[00:54:37]So yeah, you want to talk about uh films with casts I've never heard of. Those those are pretty much my top three. So my number three is is it's a very Japanese classic. It's High and Low by Kursawa.

[00:54:54]It's this movie. This was the first movie of his I saw uh because and because after looking over his filmography, I decided to check him out. this one out and I was like, "Okay, if I don't like this one, then this is probably I pro this director is probably not for me." This movie utilizes its ensemble very well even though it's about um it's about a father uh mainly about the father played by Toshiro Mafun struggling uh with a huge uh moral uh dilemma of when he realizes his son is kidnapped uh but then he realized it's he the kidnapper accidentally took his chauffeur son and he wants a huge ransom to pay him back.

[00:55:39]He still expects uh the him to pay pay him a huge ransom to return him even though it will lose it will make him lose his business and his social status and his class and pretty much his reputation and lifestyle. Um but it utili it utilizes its character so well.

[00:55:56]There's uh the the team of cops, the little kids, the family, all of them as they like as they uh go through various methods and they really go into detail.

[00:56:08]Um, this movie pretty much invented the police procedural. Uh, goes into detail of like how to find this kidnapper. Um, and and so and and try to like meet up with him and like try to like utilize different methods of to get his kid back and how to like uh prevent prevent like also with prevent him from like losing his fortune. It's just it it it comes together so well, especially takes place in that one apartment uh where the blocking of those scenes is just absolutely it's like you're watching a play is absolutely um so uh magnificent.

[00:56:50]So yeah, everyone check it out if you haven't.

[00:56:55]>> I love a good Corosara.

[00:56:57]That's fantastic. Uh, Charlie, number three.

[00:57:01]>> And my number three, uh, I had to have something gay in here. Uh, cuz what? Hot American Summer is not gay enough. But, um, uh, my number three is, uh, the 2014 underrated uh, film Pride. Um, just a stacked stellar cast uh, telling this amazing story. You have, you know, just to rattle off the cast, you got George Mai, uh Ben Schnetzer, uh Andrew Scott, uh uh Dominic West, Alda Stuntton, Bill Nye, just uh fanta, uh uh uh Patty Considine, uh just a fantastic cast all around telling this incredible story.

[00:57:39]And what's amazing about it is how is, you know, in a in an age where so many things get exaggerated with artistic where a lot of people will take artistic license legitimately for um uh films that are based on or inspired by true events. This one actually when you look at the the record of of what actually happened with uh this uh these striking miners uh in the '8s and this group of gays and lesbian uh gay and lesbian activists uh led uh and socialists uh who decided to funnel money to to raise money for these minors. And the way it actually bridged this understanding at a time when I think what was the law called that thatcher passed section 28 I think it was uh it was the law that was basically like their version of don't say gay uh to tell this amazing story about about how these two causes join together uh when they were when uh they were like you know listen the the the because the as opposed to what many consider the press here in America being very leftwing the press in the in the UK is very rightwing the establishment press is very right-wing and they were demonizing union workers and g and gay people and it was an amazing story of how of these of the this wonderful humanity that connects them. Um, you I you you love seeing the way, you know, it's it it the idea of, you know, straight people being won over and and and you and won over by gay people is kind of a tired trope, but this one it actually really works and it's genuine.

[00:59:14]It has a wonderful heart and it's the different ways in which they connect.

[00:59:17]You know, you have this you have this uh you have these women that uh that connect and become vegetarians and connect with the connect with a couple of the lesbians. Um uh just also I love the Welsh accents in this movie, especially when the one uh when the when the gay and lesbian group first shows up at the uh union hall and uh the one woman yells out your gays have arrived.

[00:59:40]I love I I absolutely I absolutely love that. Uh Betchneter is especially uh really great in this. And um I also love you love Dominic West plays uh a person who was the sec I believe the second person in the UK to officially be diagnosed with HIV who is still alive who or or at least at the time that the movie came out was still alive. Um it it's just a wonderful it's a wonderful it's an interesting story. It has a wonderful heart to it. It's absolutely hysterical. Um and uh it's one that um I I think more people need to see. So, if you need to brush up on queer cinema, check that one out because it's a really really it's a gem.

[01:00:22]>> I you know what's funny is I remember watching that movie and it's been god at least a decade since I saw it and now you make me want to kind of revisit it.

[01:00:33]Um my >> it really is.

[01:00:38]>> It really is. Um, I just I don't know. The way you said that the timing of how you said that just made me giggle. I don't know why I'm tired. Um, uh, my number three is Apollo 13. Um, I I got it. Some people might think it's basic. [ __ ] you. I I I love this movie unabashedly.

[01:01:01]Um, and for the for for the sheer just it's still to this day one of the great experiences I've ever had in movie theater. Um, and not just for, you know, the above the line talent of, you know, Tom Hanks and Kevin Bacon and Bill Paxton and Ed Harris, Gary Sise, Kathleen Quinland, but then you also have like that whole, you know, one of the things that I think is so great about that film and all great ensemble films is that you might not know who an actor is in a particular scene, but you you understand how crucial they are. And so much of what makes that film work is what's happening at mission control and all of these minds trying to, you know, piece together how to, you know, get the Apollo spacecraft back home, how to get how to get these guys home. And, you know, you have all of these really great, you know, Brett Cullen and Joe Spano and Clint Howard and, uh, you know, Christian Clemenson. I was like, "Oh, there's Christian Clemenson." Um, I just the film happened to be on TV the other day and I was watching just had forgotten how much I loved that movie.

[01:02:15]Um, and how I think you know people kind of rag on Ron Howard's uh Oscar win for A Beautiful Mind. Uh, rightly so. Um, but he is a good filmmaker. He does make he has made some great movies and I think Apollo 13 is just one of the best that I still don't understand. You know it Ron Howard occupies that really weird space of being a guy who won the DGA award but wasn't even nominated for the Oscar for best director. Uh but I still think it's a film that still holds up uh even you know 30 almost 30 years later.

[01:02:57]I got to say, uh, uh, I love that Ron Howard gave the best line in the movie to his mother, who plays Jim Levelvel's mother, and she goes, "If if they could make a washing machine fly, my Jimmy could land it."

[01:03:10]>> Yeah, that's such a great line. And and and I mean, I could go on and on. That movie is so so so good. Um, Chris, uh, you're number We're on what, two?

[01:03:24]>> Two.

[01:03:25]>> Yeah. I I'm sure Ben Affleck called Ron Howard when that happened to him in Argo. Um my Okay, if either of you have know or have seen this movie, I will be very happy. My number two is a 1980s Japanese comedy called Tampopo.

[01:03:47]>> I I I I have I s I have seen that one years ago. I I saw this movie. A friend of mine showed it to me.

[01:03:55]>> It is so good. Okay, so quick synopsis.

[01:03:58]It is a parody of the American spaghetti western genre uh about about a truck driver and a young Ken Watanabi who literally his name the character name in the movie is Gun. um who who who uh drive who helped this uh struggling store owner to help perfect the perfect ramen noodle recipe for her store. And it is such a feel-good movie.

[01:04:31]Uh not just from the main storyline which features um a lot of uh great actors, but this is interspersed with so many vignettes including a young Koji Yakusho. the star of Perfect Days and Babel and uh Cure um and Memoirs of Agaca or what um it these vignettes it pretty much this movie's uh perfectly epitomizes uh not only how to make a good recipe but like the human humanity's relationship various relationships to food sometimes in the most messed up ways. Um, if you look at Koji Kusho's character, um, and it's just it makes you it makes you smile and it's there's so many funny comedic moments in this. Um, and it plays with tone so well and it all it has so much heart in this movie and all these all these [ __ ] Japanese characters they have such uh they have such depth to them in terms of of what they want and their motivation and it all again it all just comes together so well at the end. Um, which if you watch its postredit scene it that's the perfect way to end that movie.

[01:05:50]Charlie, number two.

[01:05:53]>> My number two is um I think one of the best examples of uh an ensemble movie that is that is a that is a very small cast. Uh you don't need a huge huge ensemble to be an ensemble movie and that is uh 2022's Mass. Um I remember just seeing and watching this movie and being utterly blown away. It's mostly just Ann Dowed, Reed Bernie, Jason Issacs, and Martha Clinton. Speaking of Keith Caring, Marth Plimpmpton, um being uh uh uh sitting in a room in a church talking to each other, and they managed to make it something that is worth every penny to sit and watch. seen them it you know it it could very easily go into melodrama or be and turn into a debate about gun control. For those of you who don't know it's about two sets of parents who have both lost a child. One child one set of parents lost their child lost their child as a victim of a school shooting. The other set of parents are the parents of the perpetrator of the school of of said school shooting. And it's uh but it's really an an intense uh amazing exa uh ex examination of grief, guilt, and just how do you move on? How do you proceed?

[01:07:18]I because I don't want to say move on, but how do you proceed with life after such a a a lifealtering event that for so that sadly is so is so prevalent to so many people in this country. Um I think the real I know a lot uh that when it came to the awards traction a lot of people were concentrating on and endowed. Um but for me the the best performance in that movie is Martha Plimpmpton. I think she is just absolutely incredible and uh heartbreaking in that movie when she uh loses and she just is and and she loses it and she starts crying. I remember it was just just incredible. I remember um a couple of years ago um I was in New York uh and uh uh and I was and and Dan Bayer actually uh took me to see a special screening of it that had uh Reed Bernie uh or uh yeah Reed Bernie, Jason Issacs and and Dow there and I found myself crying at the same cues all over again. It's incredibly emotional but just an an amazingly wonderful movie. Um uh just uh bravo all around and just again proof that you don't need a huge ensemble movie to be a great ensemble movie.

[01:08:39]Uh I completely agree with you. That is on my uh honorable mention list. Uh my number two is Parasite.

[01:08:49]Um, and you know, talk about a film which again does not have a big cast. Um, but every role is integral to the plot.

[01:09:01]Every role is memorable. Um, whether somebody has a lot of dialogue or almost no dialogue at all, every single character in that movie is memorable. Um, and I think, you know, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a Jenga tower. You take away, you know, one piece and, you know, the whole thing might just collapse on itself. And, uh, you know, I I mean, what more can you say about one of the most perfect films ever made? Um, and a film that, you know, made history in so many different ways. uh you know I just I just think that every single performance in that film uh is a masterclass and uh yeah I I I can't praise it enough because it'll just it I could go on and on and on but I'll fall all over myself trying to do it. Uh still one of the great movies and one of the great casts of all time and good on you SAG for getting that right.

[01:10:03]Um I'm still not calling you the actor award so [ __ ] off. Um, okay. Chris, number one.

[01:10:11]>> Don't worry, Tony. I can continue it for you because Parasite is my number one.

[01:10:16]Um, >> because, okay, I earlier I said like, oh, I want I want to use this list or I use my list to shout out a lot of films that are underrated or deserve more recognition. But when something like Parasite is just so undeniable and I I feel so such passion for it, you know, there's there I have no other choice.

[01:10:41]Um, so yeah, I mean more important, I just love how every single one of those characters, those 10 characters represents something. You want to talk about perfect uh struct perfect narrative structure, perfect pacing, perfect de character development. Um and just how it is all it just doesn't let you rest. Um every every scene is filled with one or four or seven of these characters um asso associating with each other and really in conflict with who they are with each other with who they are with each other and with the other characters. Um it is it is just the perfect movie and I I treasure uh that moment uh that awards season in 2020 because it will be a very as much as international as the Academy has been nowadays because of Parasite and Roma. It's going to be a long time.

[01:11:54]I have a feeling it's going to be a long time before we see that kind of thing happen again. especially with Korean films because nothing has ever made the Parasite is still the only Korean film to ever make the best international feature lineup.

[01:12:11]So yeah, it's just it's a perfect movie. I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't ignore it.

[01:12:18]>> Nor should you. Nor should you. I mean, you know, if if I ever if I ever need a pickme up, one of my favorite things to do is is go on YouTube and see those videos about of people watching a film for the first time and seeing their reaction cuz you almost get like this it's almost like a sense memory thing of you thinking back to your experience watching it and and it's it's just nothing ever gets better. Um Charlie, you're number one. Uh, so I do want to just say one of my favorite things about Parasite is the woman who plays the original uh the original housekeeper of the house. Uh, I remember watching Parasite for the first time and thinking to myself, "Oh man, you know what she you know what she kind of looks like?

[01:13:02]She kind of looks like the North Korean news lady who they trot out whenever there's an atomic bomb a successful atomic bomb test. I think her name is Reachenhei." Um, and and then later when uh the when her husband's going, "You're reminding me of I'm like, "Dude, they they were in my head." You know, it was crazy. Um, it was almost too much. Um, I do have several honorable mentions here, so I'm just going to list them off in very quick succession. Uh, Happy Endings, the Don Ruse movie with Lisa Kudro. Uh, not not the TV show. This is the one time I am not talking about the TV show. Uh, John Cameron Mitchell's John Cameron Mitchell's Short Bus, 12 Angry Men, Adaptation, The Grand Budapest Hotel, Best in Show, Bridesmaids, Clue, Glass Onion, If Bee Street Could Talk, Judgement at Nerburg, Licorice Pizza, Little Miss Sunshine, Oceans 11, Pulp Fiction Spotlight, This is the End, Logan Lucky. Uh, this is Spinal Tap, Good Fellas, Midnight in Paris, Michael Clayton, The Usual Suspects, The Princess Bride, and Dogma.

[01:14:01]Also, Independence Day. Love that movie and I love the ensemble, especially Jud Hirs. He has one of my favorite lines in all of cinema when he's talking to Jeff Gold Bloom's ex-wife and he goes, "There's still love there. All you need is love." John Lennon, smart man, shot in the back. Very sad. Um, only Jud Hirs could do that line. But my number one um is uh uh and this is to like what Chris said uh you it feels it feels illegal to have a list of great ensembles and not have a Robert Alman movie on there and mine is MASH his debut movie. Um I and before uh anyone may uh rise up in arms with Pitch Works and Torches. I understand it is dated.

[01:14:46]It is of a certain time and there is a lot of blatant sexism and some and racism in there. Uh what the name of the black football player. I had never heard that word before. I did not know it was a racial slur for years. Um uh I of course I'm not going to say the word, but um uh uh it it but it really does speak to a time uh the time that they were in in 1970. I love that they remove a lot of things that made it obvious it was Korea. So many people would mainly associated with Vietnam, which was going on at the time. But I mean, dear God, this cast and when you watch the opening credits of that movie, you see so many of those names that say and introducing and introducing. So you have Donald Sutherland, Elliot Gold, who one of the great comedic pairings of all time. They are so funny the way they play off each other. But then you also have Tom Scarret, Robert Duval, Sally Kellerman, uh Bud Court, uh Renee Oberinois, um uh uh uh uh uh uh uh Gary Bergoff, uh just this this absolutely incredible cast. Uh basically turning a military hospital into a mad house and it's absolutely hilarious to watch. Um, what one of my favorite alltime line uh lines is when Donald Sutherland insults uh is when uh Hawkeye insults uh uh uh Hot Lips and uh and storms up and walks away and she looks over at Renee Ojan play who's playing uh uh Father Mahi and she goes, "I wonder how such a degenerate man achieved such a high position of responsibility in the Army Medical Corps." And he just looks at her and goes, "He was drafted." um uh one of my all-time favorite lines, but it it's just such a great cast and it it employs this uh this this thing that when you listen to the people who made this movie uh when they were making it, they thought Robert Alman should be committed to an insane asylum because a lot of them did not under they had never worked this way before of always having to assume that the camera was on them. So the way it just feels also like a documentary is I think a testament to that ensemble cast. The way they interact with each other. Um uh and just again Donald Sutherland and Elliot Gould are [ __ ] crazy. But dear god do they work so well with each other and uh the whole uh cast is just absolutely incredible. Uh, I also love when they uh after they catch um Robert Duval and Sally Kellerman having sex and the next morning they purposely just keep on poking the bear until Robert Duval just loses it and tries to attack Donald Sutherland. And as you see him being hauled away in a straight jacket, you hear Tom Scar going, "Hey Major, if I bang hot lips and punch Hawkeye, can I go home, too?"

[01:17:47]I wonder, you know, it's funny. I haven't seen that movie in so long. And I think so many people >> Yeah. I I think so many people forget that the classic TV show was a movie first.

[01:18:01]Um, you know, it's one of those few examples of of a film and a television show almost, you know, a television mo a television series adapted from a movie kind of surpassed the legacy of the original.

[01:18:18]Um, but, you know, I think more people need to go back and and and watch the original. Um, I have three honorable mentions and boy did I slave over this.

[01:18:29]I mean, at at various points over the last week, uh, my number one, you know, I I was so I was just killing myself trying to figure out how to make this list work. But, uh, my honorable mentions are, uh, speaking of Robert Alman, Gossford Park, which is my favorite, uh, Altman film. Um, uh, Steven Soderberg's Traffic. um talk about an ensemble uh that that just completely works on every level. And of course, uh I don't think you can even talk about ensembles without talking about network. Um you know, >> again, that's lowhanging fruit for me.

[01:19:10]So, that's why I know I know. Um but my number one uh has to be uh Fargo. Has to be the Cohen Brothers Fargo. Um, and I I I think people forget sometimes what an ensemble that actually was. You know, Francis McDorman, even though she was, you know, won the Oscar and lead actress, she only has about 30 minutes of screen time in that whole film. Um, and that film works, I think, because of the power of its ensemble. Um, you know, you have Steve Bushi and Peter Storm and Harve Presnell and, you know, William H.

[01:19:51]Macy who I had never heard of when I saw that film for the first time and I was like who is this? But then you have people in much smaller roles. You know we talked about in a previous uh episode we talked about you know Steve Park as you know the the Asian guy that that Francis McDorman has dinner with. And we talked about that scene and why that scene is so important. Um, uh, even, uh, the hilarious Melissa Peterman, uh, who played one of the hookers, uh, that I >> that's kind of funny looking.

[01:20:26]>> Yeah, >> I could tell you he wasn't circumcised.

[01:20:31]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:20:32]>> Was he funny looking apart from that?

[01:20:38]>> I can't I can't with that.

[01:20:42]It's just some of the greatest dialogue and and and John Carol Lynch as uh as Francis McDorman's husband. Uh even the guy that played uh uh Lou, the uh assistant deputy to the deputy to Marge to Francis McDorman. Oh, I got to question your police work there, Lou. Um >> do you ever hear the guy who couldn't get personalized police, so he changed his name to JR311Q?

[01:21:13]Oh god, that just, you know, see, you just can't think about Fargo and not go to a happy place in your brain. I mean, you know, all the body parts and wood chippers aside, you know, it's a it's a good time at the movies. Um, uh, that is our show this week. Um, thank you, Chris, as always for for joining us. Uh, yes, Charlie.

[01:21:36]>> I just want to uh I meant to plug this last time, but uh last week I was on uh our uh our our friend of the our friend of the pod uh uh Shadan Shadan Larky. I was on Chasing the Gold last week. So, if you haven't checked that out, go check that out. We talked about the Governor's Awards and the Emmys.

[01:21:54]>> Oh, fantastic. Um um we will be back next week uh with some more uh with some more Emmy coverage and you know whatever movie news we have. Hey you out there, I know you're listening. Um send us an email, will you? Uh awards [email protected]. We will read it on the show. Uh like, subscribe, hit that alert button. Uh leave us a fivestar review on Apple Podcast. We will read it on the show. Uh and we will be back next week.

[01:22:22]Until then, uh have a great weekend. Uh, happy belated Memorial Day and we'll see you next week on the Awards Heaven podcast.