In domestic violence investigations, an officer's on-camera statement validating a subject's claim that the other party 'overexaggerates' because she is a woman creates documented gender bias that can result in civil liability and potentially influence the absence of a domestic abuse charge, as such statements become permanent evidentiary records that outlast the immediate encounter.
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CAN YOU LISTEN TO ME?
>> NO.
>> POLICE OFFICERS. [ __ ] pigs.
>> I'm going to tell you one time you just kicked my hand.
>> On June 18th, 2024, officers were dispatched.
>> On the 18th of June, 2024, Wasau Police Department officers responded to a reported domestic assault and immediately faced a specific legal threshold under Wisconsin statute 968.075.
The mandatory domestic abuse arrest law.
probable cause that a domestic abuse offense occurred does not simply trigger an investigation. It triggers a mandatory determination of who the predominant aggressor is. Officers must weigh observed injuries, relationship history, both parties statements, and independent witness credibility. Mutual denial by both subjects does not satisfy this requirement. Under Terry v. Ohio 1,968.
The investigative detention of both parties was lawful from the moment of contact, but the arrest decision required more than two consistent denials.
>> Two before I got him.
Show me your hands. Put your hands on the wheel. Put your hands on the steering wheel. We're going to be on the east side of the little glass. Show me your hands. Both the Both your hands.
Both your hands.
>> Our hands are right here. So, >> all right.
>> Okay.
>> Unlock it.
>> Anna, this way.
>> Step out.
>> Anna.
>> Hey, you.
>> Step out. Step out. Over this way.
>> Anna, I swear to God, I jail because of you.
>> Over this way, sir. Sir, this way. My squad over here. Let's go. Pokemon. 23.
Other unit's going to slow it down.
What? What? Who called his wife? You >> got told there's a political fight between the mail. Turn around.
>> She was leaving trying TO LEAVE. CAN YOU LISTEN TO ME?
>> NO, I'M IN CHARGE. TURN AROUND.
>> Want to pet you down for weapons? You got anything you guys should know about?
>> No, I don't. I don't have anything.
Officer, she's been drinking.
>> Sir, I need you to calm down. Okay.
>> I I am calm down. I'm calm.
>> You just yelled at me. Okay.
>> All right. I need you to calm down. All right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
>> Settle down. Sorry.
>> Okay.
All I was trying to do is hold her because she's drunk. She's drinking. I was just trying to get her home. That's all I was trying to do.
>> That's all I'm trying to do, officer.
>> That's all I'm trying to do.
>> I need you to settle down.
>> I know, but that's what I'm letting you know what I'm >> No, because we're going to step over this way. Keep going this way.
>> Can you come over here?
>> What's going on?
>> Can you just come over here? So, I'm officer answer PD. We just got a >> Yeah. What's wrong?
>> One second. I'm sorry. Um, so we just got a call that there was a physical fight between >> There's no physical fight after us.
>> Nothing like that.
>> No, nothing like that, sir. I'm all s I'm all >> So, so let me So, what's Why would someone think that there was a fight going on?
>> It's because I was drinking a little tiny bit and I was a little bit upset, but I'm okay now. I promise.
>> Okay. Did he put his hands on you?
>> No, he did not. He never did. I promise.
>> Okay, no. Hey. Hey. Hey. Nope. Nope.
Baby, calm down.
>> We're staying over here. We're staying over here. We're staying over here.
Okay.
>> So So there was like an argument or something or what?
>> No, there was no argument. No argument.
>> It's all good.
>> It's all good. Are you just saying that because he's he's kind of heated up and you don't want him to get in trouble or why are you saying that?
>> I'm not saying that for no reason. I'm saying it because there was no argument and it was all my fault and >> Okay. So it's all good. So, if I look at the security cameras, it's not going to show.
>> Look at the security cameras at his uncle's house.
>> I told him this [ __ ] was going to happen.
>> Don't make a [ __ ] thing, you stupid.
>> What's your name?
>> Matthew Hessip.
>> Matthew what?
>> Matthew Hessip. HI.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO GO on handcuffs. Don't calm down.
>> You're going to go handcuffy. Don't calm down. Do you understand that? Stop clapping. Stop doing this. No, I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want. I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want.
>> We're going to put you in.
>> All right, you can. You can. You both definitely can. You most definitely can.
>> Where's this?
>> You're fine. You can. I understand.
>> We're going to leave you >> understand why I'm upset.
>> We're going to leave you in cuff until you calm down. Okay, brother.
She's drunk and upsetting me. Dude, I I've been dealing with this for months and a half now. I just got to relax, dude.
>> You better use the game.
>> If you knew if you knew how many times I've been [ __ ] over by women, you would understand.
>> That's frustrating.
>> Drinking too much. Acting a fool.
>> What do you expect that I mean? Yeah.
Don't you act like a fool when you're drinking.
>> When you over drink, >> you don't have identification. Like like a driver's license or whatever.
>> I have a driver's license, but I think it's in my house. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. No, you're good.
>> I think it's in my house.
>> Yeah. I don't have an ID on me to be honest.
>> Yeah. Okay, that's fine. Okay.
>> My house?
>> Yep. No, not the end of the world. So, just an argument cuz you're intoxicated then?
>> Yeah, that's >> So, and he didn't put his hands on you or anything like that. Did he threaten you at all?
>> Of course not. No, no, no, no.
>> Okay. Where did the argument happen here?
>> It was all me.
>> It was all you. Did you put his your hands on him?
>> No, I did not.
>> Okay. Did you threaten him at all?
>> No, I did not.
>> Okay. When you said it's all me, what do you mean by that?
>> Um, we were just getting mad and we just got into a fight and he was getting mad.
I'm dropping me off at my place.
>> Okay.
>> It's not a big deal. We'll get over it.
>> Okay. What's your last name?
>> Ki.
>> Can you just spell that for me? K O S T E C K I >> and your first name >> to talk to me to my P.
>> Okay. What's your name?
>> Anna. A N A.
>> Down. It's okay.
>> Anna. Anna. Anna. Don't yell at him. We don't need anything to escalate here.
Okay.
>> I know.
>> What was the last phone or your number?
>> Trying to calm down.
>> Okay. What was your last phone or your phone number?
>> No problem. I'm just going to try to get him out of this situation and then >> Okay.
>> What's What's his first name?
>> His name is Matthew.
>> Okay. Do you guys live together?
>> We do. Okay. Where do you guys live? No, don't walk away.
>> Um, we're about to live together and we're >> about to Yeah.
>> Do you live together currently?
>> At the moment, but we're about to get a place together.
>> Okay. Do you guys have any children in common?
>> No, we do not.
>> Okay. Are you guys legally married?
>> No.
>> No. Okay.
>> Can I please just talk to him for a second? And then can you guys talk to him, please? That's not how we're going to. I promise. Please. I don't want him to get arrested. Please, sir.
>> Well, he's not under arrest right now.
So why are we being told that you guys were fighting physically fighting?
Pulling hair?
>> No. No pulling. There was no pulling hair. That a woman called you. Yeah.
She's going to [ __ ] obviously make a [ __ ] big deal about it cuz she's a [ __ ] woman. She's a [ __ ] stupid ass [ __ ] >> Can we have a conversation without you yelling and swearing at me?
>> Well, can we have a civil?
>> Do you understand how women are though?
Do you understand how women are or do you not have a girlfriend?
>> Can we have a normal conversation here?
>> Okay.
>> Civil conversation. I don't want to be swear at. I don't want to be cussed at.
Breathe. Okay. All right. Do you understand how women are though? They overexaggerate. Do they not? I'm asking you a question. Personal >> opinion. No.
>> I'm asking you a question. Yes or no?
>> Seriously.
>> Is that your personal opinion?
>> Yes. I just want to know what happened.
>> Yes, it is my personal opinion. Women overexaggerated.
>> Okay. So, what is what is your non-exaggerated form of what happened here?
>> I I had my arm around her. That is it.
That is it. My arm around her. Not Not choking her. Not not nothing.
>> Around the shoulders or where at?
>> You can ask her yourself.
>> Where is it? Up around the shoulders or where at?
>> Like around if I could show. Yeah, like around her should not around her neck at all. Around her like shoulder and >> Okay.
>> Right now he's going to get in.
>> Hey, we're just >> He's going to if he continues to act like he's going to >> It sounds like he's calmed down a little bit. Okay. So, I'm not going to let you go over to him. Okay. And if you start to walk over there to him, I'm going to put my hands on you.
>> Okay. I'm going to help him out as mess as I can. I promise.
>> And the best best way to do that right now is just being truthful. And are you being truthful with this?
>> I'm being truthful. I promise.
>> That nothing's going on.
>> Nothing's going on. I promise. We're just drinking.
>> Okay.
>> Too much issues with drinking.
>> Okay. So, you guys were just parked here and just an argument came because >> you were drunk.
>> Yes, sir.
>> And then nothing physical, no threats, nothing happened. And then we just show up and then all of a sudden >> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Just uh you can hop back in the car and just hang out for now.
>> Don't go over there.
>> Yeah, I'm not going to leave you.
>> Don't go over there. Don't go don't go over there.
>> Okay. Sit in the car.
>> Like I'm going to bleed to you guys.
>> What?
>> I don't c listen to police officers.
[ __ ] pigs.
>> Okay. No. No. Don't grab my hand.
>> Can you sit in the car, please?
>> Sit in the car.
>> All right. I'll put >> Sit.
>> Are you going to bring him back? When are you going to bring him back?
>> We're just >> When are you going to bring him back?
We're just interviewing right now to figure out what we have going on. Okay.
If it's really nothing, then what you guys are >> obviously nothing. When are you going to bring him back?
>> When we're all when we get everything figured out. Okay.
>> Okay. Why don't you guys stop being [ __ ] pigs? Jesus Christ.
>> Wrong car.
>> Okay. [ __ ] piglets.
Hey, are you >> step out? Step out. Step out. Step out or I'm going to pull you out.
>> Okay.
>> I'm sorry.
>> Turn around. Put your hands behind your back. You're detained right now. Okay.
>> We do not do that. We do not slam car doors into other cars. Let go of your hand. Let go of your Put your hands behind your Put your hands behind your back. Put your hands behind your back.
>> Behind your back.
>> I did not mean to slam the car door. I'm so sorry.
>> Well, now you've got damage to property.
Okay.
>> No, it doesn't matter. Let me damage your property. Please. Please, sir. I did not damage any property. I told you, >> sir. I'm so sorry.
>> I did not make I did not damage any property to property.
>> I'm so sorry.
>> I'm so sorry. I >> don't act like that. All right, lean against this car. Okay.
>> Okay. I'm sorry.
>> Okay.
>> I did not damage any property to anybody.
>> There's a giant scratch on the side of the car right there.
>> Did we see it?
>> I I saw it. All right. I witnessed it happen.
>> I'd rather see it before I see it because I don't believe you.
>> Okay, cool. This is not how we're doing things.
>> We are doing things because I don't believe you.
>> You don't believe me?
>> Yes, I don't.
>> Please. Please, sir. I'm sorry.
>> Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm detaining you.
>> I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm >> going to go in the back of the squad car here. Okay. You're only detained. You are not under arrest at this point.
Okay.
>> Slide in.
>> No.
I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't bring any laws. I DIDN'T BRING ANY LAWS.
>> Step back. Step up.
>> Okay. Please. I did not bring any laws.
I did not bring any laws.
>> Turn around.
>> I did not break any laws.
>> I did not break any laws. Please let go of me. Please let me go. Let me walk home. Please.
I did not break any laws. I've literally been so compliant with my probation.
>> I've been so compliant with my >> Stop.
>> I haven't broken any laws, >> sir.
>> You just caused damage to the car over there.
>> What car?
>> I'll pay for it.
I'll pay for the damage.
Why are you locking me? I didn't pay. I didn't cause any damage that I'm not going to pay for.
>> Hello.
>> Stop.
>> Can you explain to me, >> please? Cuz I don't understand.
>> Put your hands behind your back.
>> No, it doesn't understand why you're why you were doing this to me.
>> Back in the car.
>> I didn't do anything wrong, sir. I didn't do anything. Back in the car.
>> I DID NOT DO ANYTHING.
>> BACK in the car.
Get in the car.
Anna, get in the car.
Hannah, STOP. HANNAH, STOP. STOP.
Get out OF HERE.
>> WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?
>> STOP.
>> Wait before I explain.
>> Stop in the car.
>> Last chance or you're under.
>> Last chance.
>> You're going to be under arrest. Do you understand that?
>> Why?
>> You're going to be under arrest. Get in the car >> for resisting. Get in the car.
>> I'm not resisting arrest.
>> You are. Get in THE CAR.
>> I'M NOT.
>> OKAY. NOW YOU'RE under arrest for resisting. Get in the car. Get in the car.
>> The most legally consequential moment in this footage is not the arrest. It is a single on camera statement made by the officer during the male subject's interview. The officer appeared to validate the subject's characterization of the female witness as someone who overexaggerated because she was a woman.
Under Violence Against Women Act compliance standards, law enforcement officers are specifically trained to avoid allowing personal bias to shape a domestic violence investigation. A statement agreeing that women overexaggerate made on body cam during a DV interview is permanent evidentiary record and it creates documented civil liability exposure for both the officer and the department. Throughout the encounter, the female subject directed sustained profanity at officers. This language, while offensive, is constitutionally protected. In Cohen v.
California 1,971, the Supreme Court held that the government may not criminalize the public display of offensive language. In Gooding v. Wilson 1,972, the court further narrowed the fighting words doctrine to require a direct face-to-face provocation likely to cause an immediate breach of the peace.
General profanity directed at officers does not meet that threshold. Any disorderly conduct charge premised solely on verbal conduct will face a first amendment challenge. The charge must rest on conduct, not words. When the female subject slammed a car door into an adjacent vehicle, she gave officers an entirely independent probable cause basis, one unrelated to the original domestic disturbance call.
An officer who directly witnesses the commission of a crime has immediate authority to arrest without a warrant.
Under Atwater v. City of Logo Vista 2001, the Supreme Court confirmed that custodial arrest for even a minor offense is constitutionally permissible when probable cause exists. This independent act foreclosed any argument that the subsequent arrest was motivated by the unresolved domestic allegation rather than the observed conduct.
Stop.
Knock it off.
>> Stop kicking.
Stop kicking.
>> Calm down.
STOP.
>> STOP.
They're out there on the ground. They're out.
GET on your stomach.
>> His shoes got my belt.
>> Knock it off.
Also grab legs.
You're hurting me.
You're hurting me.
>> Calm down.
>> Calm down.
>> You're hurting me. You're hurting.
You're hurting me. You're hurting me.
>> You're hurting me.
>> Just breathe.
>> JUST BREATHE OUT, ANNA. JUST BREATHE.
ANNA, breathe out. BREATHE.
>> OH MY GOD. MAY YOU NOT be hurting me, you stupid [ __ ] >> Please let go of me. Please let go of me.
>> Please let go of me.
>> Anna, I need you to calm down.
Please, you're hurting me. You're hurting me.
You're hurting me.
>> Yeah, HE'S KICKING US.
>> I SAW YOU.
>> CALM DOWN.
>> I SUE YOU. You're hurting me. You're hurting me.
>> No, you were not hobbling.
>> Sorry. Just tighten it up a little bit.
>> Hannah, I just need you to calm down.
Okay.
>> It hurts so much.
>> What hurts?
>> It's your fingers on my my [ __ ] wrist. Okay, >> please just loosen it up a little bit. I don't deserve this [ __ ] I'm not going to break for you, stupid [ __ ] >> Please.
>> It hurts.
>> It hurts.
>> Let's just get her up to the All right, Hannah. I don't want you kicking and I don't want you fighting. All right.
Okay, we're just going to get you up and we're going to have you sit down in the copy guard here. Okay, >> buddy.
>> Okay, here we go.
>> Wait.
>> All right, stand up.
>> I'm not going to roll.
>> You got to help us here a little bit.
Roll your side. Roll your side.
>> I'm so fat.
>> Roll your side.
>> I'm so fat. I can't [ __ ] stand up in myself.
>> Now do a sit up. And now we're going to stand up. Okay. 3 2 1. Here we go.
>> All right. In the car.
>> Can we talk to my PO, please?
>> We're trying. Yep.
>> Okay.
>> Swing your legs in.
>> Swing your legs in.
>> I'm good. Thank you, sir.
>> And are we really doing this again?
>> Yeah, we are going to >> All right.
>> Put your legs in the car.
>> You I will literally >> Put your legs in the car.
>> Then I will sue you.
>> Hold on. Back up.
>> I don't deserve this [ __ ] I did not do anything wrong.
I DON'T DESERVE THIS. I didn't do anything wrong.
>> Now I'm going to tell you one time you just kick my hand.
>> Okay, then punch me. I will sue you.
>> Yeah, good. You will sue you. I will sue you for thousands of dollars.
>> Get your legs in the car. I will sue your legs in the car.
>> Get your LEGS IN THE CAR.
>> GET YOUR LEGS IN THE CAR.
>> Get your legs in the car.
>> I will sue you for thousands of dollars.
>> Okay, I'll sue you.
>> 194.1 194.1 shut DOWN THE CHAIR.
YEAH, [ __ ] YOU, [ __ ] >> I would like to get me myself Nand do detained. I don't know what I did to get myself in detain.
>> Please, would you let me know?
the chair.
>> Excuse me. Excuse me. What' you say?
>> I wasn't talking to you.
>> No, I would like you to talk to me, sir.
I'm sitting back here waiting for you to talk to me. So, can you please talk to me?
>> Excuse me.
WHAT' YOU SAY, SIR? Excuse me. Hello.
HELLO.
I did not try.
I did not try down the bottom.
I don't trust you guys.
>> I don't trust you guys.
>> I don't trust you guys at all.
>> We're going to kick y'all and put you in the chair. Okay. As long as you can walk in your own chair.
>> Can you walk in your room?
>> I promise I will focus my time. Don't touch me.
>> If we have to use this chair, >> don't touch me, please.
>> As long as you can walk in your own.
>> As long as you don't touch. We are going to touch >> I will ask for you as long as you don't touch me. I promise you that your arms and you >> you're not going to touch my arms.
I swear you [ __ ] >> I got the head.
>> Yeah, you [ __ ] idiot. I take the volume first.
>> I didn't do anything wrong and you guys are treating me like >> I haven't done anything wrong. So, can you buy please stairs? We'll readjust the straps once again.
>> What did I take?
>> Can you let me know?
>> What did I do wrong?
>> What did I do wrong?
Please.
>> Yeah, I was officer by >> active resistance during a lawful detention. Satisfies Wisconsin statute 946.41.
The documented physical contact with the officer satisfies section 94020 battery to a law enforcement officer requiring only intentional bodily harm during lawful duty. Under Graham v Connor 1,989, force is evaluated from the reasonable officer's perspective at the moment of decision, accounting for the resistance actively being demonstrated. Both charges are well supported by the body cam record. The bail jumping charge under section 946.49, triggered automatically by the subject's active probation status, carries more sentencing exposure than the disorderly conduct and resisting counts combined, making it the most consequential charge in the entire case. Officer Hansen receives a C plus. The structural elements of the response were largely correct. immediate party separation, separate interviews, measured force escalation, and verbal warnings before physical contact. The deduction is significant. An on camera statement validating the male subject's dismissal of the female witness introduced documented gender bias into the evidentiary record, potentially influencing the absence of a domestic abuse charge against the male subject.
Despite a third-party witness report, Matthew Heslip receives a C minus surface compliance undercut by documented abusive language toward his partner on body cam. Anna Casti receives a D6 charges, each independently supported by the body cam record. Three takeaways. First, mutual denial is not resolution in a mandatory arrest DV state. Wisconsin statute 968.075 075 requires officers to assess all available indicators, not simply accept consistent denials and close the call. Second, an on camera statement is permanent evidence. A biased comment made during a DV interview does not disappear after the shift ends. It becomes part of the evidentiary record and creates civil liability that outlasts the arrest itself. Third, probation is not suspended by confrontation. Every new chargeable act committed while on release conditions compounds under section 946.49, turning minor misconduct into felony exposure. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic that you would like to discuss in the comments below. Thank you for watching and don't forget to check out our second channel, Street Body Cam, for even more police interaction and courtroom content.
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