In criminal court proceedings, judges maintain authority to manage cases and enforce legal procedures regardless of defendants' sovereign citizen claims or status assertions; courts will not be derailed by such claims and will continue with bond conditions, no-contact orders, booking requirements, and fingerprint processes as standard criminal matters.
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Judge SHUTS DOWN Moorish Sovereign Citizen Status ClaimAdded:
Can I can I place my status on the record, sir?
>> Absolutely, sir.
>> Okay. I'm I'm Roman Curtis Kimpio. I'm a n I'm a a natural person in full life, impropriate persona, sour heritage. My nationality and citizenship being Morish American national, unconditional heir, apparent uh vessel for the Moroccan Empire. I come uh um at Northwestern to Mexum at North America North Gate Turtle Island. I come under protection by way of treaty of peace and friendship.
>> Welcome back to No One is Above the Law.
Today we have two courtrooms for you guys to visit and check out with two different sovereign citizens in each of these courtrooms. As you can see by the clip that we shared before the intro, these proceedings definitely are on another level. A lot of sovereign citizen talk [music] and I'm sure you guys are going to have a lot to say about it down in the comments. So, it's no need for me to prolong this. Let's go ahead and check out these proceedings.
>> And who is the individual in sir? What is your name at the jail?
>> I'm Roman Kill.
I mean, I can place my status on the record if you like.
>> Yeah. Hold on one sec. Yeah, I'll get to you one second. I need to look over some things. Are you representing yourself?
>> No, sir. I'm not representing myself.
I'm I'm pre myself.
>> Okay. I mean, do you have a court is a courted attorney going to be speaking with you or you going to be have a retained attorney?
>> No, sir.
Okay. Calling calling case Tom King 25 Williams boy 00474 in the matter of Roman Curtis Kiml. Um Mr. Keel, would you please state your name for the record?
>> Yeah. Um I'd like to um >> tell me your name.
>> Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. All I have to do is say it.
>> I'm Roman Curtis Kent Bill.
>> Okay. Let me let me ask you this question, Mr. K. Uh Mr. uh uh Kim Kale, let's try not to talk together. I mean, I'm gonna allow you plenty of time to talk, but I have to. Um but are you going Are you representing yourself here today? You don't need an attorney or you want an attorney?
>> No, sir. I'm not representing myself. Uh I'm presenting myself. I don't I don't need another.
>> Are you presenting yourself? So, you don't want an attorney. You're presenting yourself here today. Is that correct?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you, sir, for that. Um, >> you're welcome.
>> Um, you're charged with domestic violence, as I've indicated.
Um, MCL 750.81.
It carries a maximum penalty of 93 days in jail, possible fines of $500 andor both, not including any court costs. I am going to enter a plea on your behalf uh of not not guilty on this offense.
you [snorts] will be given an additional and you're also charged with refusal for collecting fingerprints and data which the court is ordering that you do that.
Um, as I've indicated in a plea of not guilty on your behalf for this matter, I'll indicate that you're self-representing at this time as well.
I do have some other conditions for you before I set by. You're not to have any direct or indirect contact with U Marissa Mau I SSA Smith. You're not to return to the premises known as >> iron road.
>> That's my home.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna Yeah. I'm I'm going to keep going and then I'm going to take all your questions at the end.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, no problem. It's not.
Just hold on to that question. That's all.
>> I'm You're gonna have plenty of time to talk at the end. So, um, do not return to the premises known as road West Bloomfield. You will not assault, beat, verbally harass, intimidate, or threaten any potential witnesses. Person may appear for all court proceedings. Do not leave the state of Michigan without permission of the court and immediately notify the court in writing um of any change of address or phone number. You need to provide the court with a valid address uh within 24 hours of of your release.
Do not need to state a mission without permission of the court. Um you will not possess any firearms or other dangerous weapons. You shall refrain from using alcohol, any form of THC, illegal drugs, or abusing any medication. Uh, you must contact pre-trial services within 24 hours of your release. That's at the 48th District Court in Bloomfield Hills.
Pick up no new criminal uh offenses, and I understand you're self representing yourself here today. Um, the court will set a bond in the amount of $1,500 cash shy, no 10%. Uh, sir, do you understand your b what I read off to you, your bonding conditions?
>> Yeah, I understand all of that. But all of that >> Okay. Now, I'm going to take I'm going to take your I'm going to take your questions right now. Thank you very much. So, what question do you have for the court?
>> Can I can I place my status on the record, sir?
>> Absolutely, sir.
>> Okay. I'm I'm Roman Curtis Kimpio. I'm a n I'm a a natural person in full life, impropriate persona, sour heritage. My nationality and citizenship being Morish American national unconditional heir apparent uh vessel for the Moroccan Empire. I come uh um at Northwest to Mexum at North America North Gate Turtle Island. I come under protection by way of treaty of peace and friendship 1836 between United States Service Corporation and Moroccan Empire. I also would like everybody else that's involved with this matter to place their status on the record and so that it can be noted and also I am not I'm not representing myself I I am I'm presenting myself not only that um I'm not standing I'm not standing assurityity to Roman Curtis Kemp ill and all capital letters in Sleus corporate entity so so that so that that be noted for the record please sir >> I also I also reside in doicile at that's my address. That's my home. The the the defendant witness or whoever that is, Marissa, she doesn't live there. And so that's where I was kidnapped from. That's that's my home, sir.
>> Okay. And I will allow you to go back there one time and one time only with a police escort to obtain some minor personal property. Um um that with a police escort only. Otherwise, you cannot go back to that location. You you have another court date coming up. Your next court date is going to be your pre-trial date.
>> Um that date will be provided to you uh prior to you bonding out. If not, you're going to have to contact the 48th district court in Bloomfield Hills.
Other than that, best of luck to you, sir. Officer, we're all set here. Thank you very much for your time.
If I could, your honor, um we would like the non the refusal of the booking process that he not be released until that is completed. Absolutely. He must he must submit um as it relates to the booking, he must submit to the booking processing in this information including uh fingerprints which is the biometric uh data. He must provide that information prior to release as well.
You're all set officer.
>> Thank So, I'd like one more thing. Um, sir, I'd like to invoke my treaty right to council of jurisdiction. I've been asking someone to be that's competent in [snorts] the notification and access manual and I haven't been given that right. My rights have been violated as far as all of that's concerned also. So, >> okay, make sure you make sure you mention um that to the judge when you see the judge. Um, so thank you very much, sir, for that. And officer, we're all set.
>> Thank you, your honor.
>> Okay. Must submit the uh biometric fingerprint data prior to release.
>> Now, this is one of those hearings where you can see the judge trying to move through the arraignment and bond conditions, [music] but Mr. Roman K wants to get his status and his sovereign citizen language on the record. He says he is not representing himself. He's [music] presenting himself. He talks about being a natural person, [music] a Moorish American national, treaty rights, the Moroccan empire, and not standing as shity for the all caps name. And we've heard that many of times, but the court does not really engage with all of that because really at the end of the day, the judge [music] still has to address the charges, right? the bond, the the no contact order, all of these things, the address issue, and the booking process.
[music] So, even though he tried to put all of that paperwork and status language into the hearing, the court still treated this like a regular criminal matter and made it clear that [music] before he can be released, he still has to complete the biometric fingerprint process. Now, let's go ahead and jump into this second proceeding. Court does call the case of people state of Michigan versus Thomas Styron the second.
>> Good afternoon on behalf of the club.
>> Sir, state your name, please.
>> I'm George.
>> All right. This date, time set for preliminary examination. Mr. Styron, you are here representing yourself. I would indicate to you that there are three charges on the complaint in this case.
The first charge is that of fleeing a police officer under the motor vehicle code in the third degree. That is a felony punishable by up to 5 years and a $1,000 fine plus court cost. Count two on the complaint alleges assaulting, resisting, and obstructing a police officer. That is a felony punishable or high court misdemeanor punishable by up to two years incarceration and or $2,000 fine plus court cost. Count three is a charge of driving while license suspended, denied, and or revoked. That is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 93 days in jail, and or $500 fine plus court cost. The subject matter of this preliminary examination is for the people to establish by probable cause that the felonies have been committed.
If the people do establish that, then what the you would be what's called bound over to stand trial in the circuit court. you are here appearing without counsel. I would advise you that if you wish to represent or be represented by counsel, you can let the court know and the court would make sure that counsel would be available to you to in this proceeding. I would also indicate that if you are desirous of continuing to represent yourself, you certainly have an absolute and constitutional right to do so. You will be held to the same standard that attorneys are held to regarding the court rules, regarding uh the presentation of evidence and anything else along those lines as well as questioning of the witnesses. Do you understand all of that, sir?
>> I understand everything.
>> Pardon?
>> I don't understand everything.
>> Okay. And sir, do you still wish to proceed unrepresented?
>> Very good. Do you have any questions before we begin the preliminary examination?
>> Do I haven't had a chance to to look at the body cam and the evidence? Uh I just got [clears throat] a kite back yesterday telling me I could ask the new staff to to be able to view this. I've got maybe 45 minutes or an hour's worth of time in it so far. Able to get through the first video.
>> 45 minutes an hour into what >> to I think there's 16 videos on the on the thumb drive. I think officer hooks is an hour and 15 minutes long in itself.
So what I'm saying is I've had insufficient time evidence to even review it able to articulate.
>> Excuse your honor. I understand that the APA that was present before me had intended to admit that some of the body camera. I will not be using any of it today. I'll be proceeding with just Sergeant H's testimony.
>> Right.
Um, I guess the and I understand that misuse and I guess the only question would be if whether or not something contained on the body cam might lead to evidence that the defendant either would want to present or lead to evidence that the defendant may wish to question the deputy on. Um, and I'm going to have no way of knowing that. Um, >> I appreciate that, your honor, especially because uh, my office previously put on the record and I'll reiterate today, we do plan on adding additional charges, the count of felonious assault, which assault with a dangerous weapon against the sergeant, and two counts of felony firearm, which are mandatory, two years in prison. So, your honor, I don't have a problem if we need to adjourn this crim to have more time with the video.
>> Okay. and under those circumstances and I forgot I think you had mentioned that before that um with that um okay so Mr. Siren, you're requesting an adjournment of the proceedings so you can get through that. Is that okay?
>> Um, how far and I guess I was unclear. You were you you have access to the body cam.
>> Yes, I [snorts] do. It's in my problem.
>> Okay. And but then you were talking about you got through some of it >> the first video and and I believe is a YouTube not YouTube but a Facebook video of of a bystander. Say, say that again.
>> Facebook video that somebody took.
>> Okay.
>> And part of his body, maybe 20 minutes, half hours worth.
>> When you're saying his, you're >> offic. Yes.
>> Okay.
>> Believe his his body cam footage is an hour and 15 minutes its totality. So, I've barely been able to scratch the surface of that.
>> Okay. Let me ask you. Go ahead. Were you gonna say something else on that? And and like I said, I believe there's 16 15 or 16 videos in there total. Maybe maybe more. And that's just what I was able to see.
>> Okay. So, let me ask you this.
How how are you arranging to view that video?
>> Because originally I was kiting everybody I could. I was correctional services to sergeant that sergeant. And finally, um while down the correctional services, I was able to speak with Sergeant Flynn. Okay.
>> And he was able to arrange this first meeting. And like I said, I got a call back from yesterday yesterday telling me just the to the noon staff and they'll arrange it during the the noon noon shift. So, >> Gotcha.
>> Previous prior to yesterday, I didn't I was still asking I guess I was just asking the wrong shift. I was asking later in the day. That that's for certain. and I really was never able to get anything else arranged as far as being able to go and do it.
>> Okay. So, you were trying to do it one way that wasn't happening. You finally got to Flint and he indicated to you that it's a noon staff. You're supposed to bother to try to Okay.
>> Flint's definitely provided direction in regards to how I can go about get this.
>> All right. Okay. So, we'll need to then adjourn that. Um, have you Well, I'm going to ask it one or two ways. How long do you think it'll take you to get through it? I mean, is it your and I won't hold you directly to it, but I mean, would you be able to do it in one day if you had access to it or is it going to take you a few days or just your best guess is because you know how long the clips are. I don't have any idea by design.
>> I I only have knowledge of how long his particular video is. officer hoops. I I don't The other ones I I haven't looked at viewed. Can't remember how big the file is, nothing like that. If I was out in the world, I could probably have this done within a week. I have a house. I have my own computer and I planned on originally being able to do this. Um um also it depends on the jail. They've been so short staffed. We've been locked down a lot as well. So, it depends on what their staffing numbers is during when I'm asking or trying to arrange this. It there there's so many variables it'd be hard for me to give you.
>> No, no, that's that's fair. That's fair.
>> And then also, >> but you don't know total you don't know total time how much there is.
>> You just know that one. Since since May, I've been fighting an illness that just recently the the the jails addressed. Uh so many things going on. I I've been since May, I've been having um stomach issues, bowel issues, and on Friday or Saturday, I was urinating blood. Finally, I was able to get some some uh the medical staff to to do something with that as far as me urinating the cup and them give me some type of antibiotics, but all they can tell me is I have an infection. They just don't know specifically what type of infection. So, I'm also dealing with that and very lethargic and >> okay, I got energy in that. What do we as well?
>> What do we look like on sex?
Well, we've got stuff. It's a day like today. I got stuff in the morning, but then >> on the six >> so far, >> two and then I got that at one. But if I set this at one, the expungement should set this at two. As of right now, there's no expungements actually scheduled.
>> Got it.
>> Okay.
Okay. So that we hopefully won't run into this again. You've gotten all of discovery.
>> Pardon me.
>> You got all of the discovery. Like you got the as far as you know, you got the police report. You have all of that.
It's the video. All right.
So what I will do is I will adjourn the U preliminary examination in this matter.
Um I would go to the 30th but I think I'll go to August 6, 2024 at 1. I'm going to set it at 100 p.m.
We'll just push everything else out of the way and that way we'll be here. So, that'll give you 3 weeks to try to get through that. Now, if you if there are issues like what you you're talking about, short staff, whatever, and you haven't been able to get through everything, um talk to one of the deputies so that they can get in contact with my office so that if we have to push it out another week, we can just get that done without you coming up here telling me you're not ready. You know, >> Fair enough.
>> Okay.
got a question in regards to is there any reason why that would be preferred instead of me being able to address what I got going on internally and at a hospital outside in the world I guess me being uh put on bond so I could take care of my illness as well as look at this uh discovery and handle that [clears throat] be done in a more timely manner less var variables involved >> I'm not available before then anyway so I'm I'm very happy to come back in 3 weeks unless he's had the opportunity to review it in the jail. And yes, as your honor is well aware, if this gentleman's a to the level that he needed to be hospitalized, the certainly hospitalize him. Additionally, the jail would notify their chain of command if there were any needs that exceed the jail's current ability to assist him. I've received no jail to that effect tells me it's not happening, meaning that the jail is the appropriate place for him. Also, your honor, I will as the court notes, the defendant is in custody without bond uh for the defendant's demeanor in this courtroom. At the time that my office charged this case, we requested a $50,000 cash charity bond. This is a person who while possessing a firearm threatened to cook the sergeant, which is one of the reasons that I had against him. Additionally, your honor, this case originally came in as a domestic violence call and Sergeant Halp took the opportunity to try to protect the community by proceeding after this defendant in a manner to not only protect one individual woman, but to protect our community. And it resulted in this person possessing a firearm and not only threatening the sergeant, but threatening the sergeant's dog as well.
My rebuttal of that is when I said cook, I made it very clear said meant legally hit the courts which he uh iterated on his body cam. So according to the body cam video, he is fully aware that I met legally through the court process and also I believe in the police report he sent there for a welfare check with a possible rolling domestic which led me being pulled over. me being a single person in my van, not two people which would be involved in domestic fashion and then once pulled over. Pretty sure he knew I was he was looking for just based on my description based on who he was looking up in his uh talent or or system or whatever it is they use in the police cruiser.
make sure to iterate that I plan to use the legal system to uh address any uh transgressions or trespasses I felt was made against me.
>> Um >> sorry, go ahead.
>> Um also I was the one who stayed on top of these charges. I'm the one who called the court every day, stayed on top of this case, and I'm the one who arranged the the court date with Miss I was the one who stayed who called the courts week after week and they did have my case in and finally they did. I was very proactive in trying to get this addressed through the court system. Had no intentions of running or trying to avoid it at all and I think my actions were sued such.
>> Okay. Um in this matter I I'm not going to at this point change your mind, Mr. Sharon, and I'll just put it to you this way. I don't know the facts of the case. By design, I don't. So, I'm going to certainly I hear the allegations. I hear your response to the allegations and at some point I'll see the evidence. Um, in terms of um, what I had previously heard in regard to this case, I would consider your actions on that date, at least um, as I understand them to be at this time that you pose a significant risk um, to the public and to public safety by your conduct that day. Okay, we I'm not sure about the comments. We'll deal with that. Um, further, um, as the prosecutor indicated, your demeanor in the courtroom prior to today, um, leads the court to question whether or not releasing you, I could trust you to do what I asked you to do. Um, this is the first time today as we were talking to each other, going through the things that it's been a civil conversation with you to try to resolve the things. All I'm trying to do is get the case through. I don't know why the other days you made a determination to try to act a particular way to the court because I'm just like I said, I'm just here trying to get the case heard and get everything done. And so I I have based upon what I hear regarding the case, what I also have seen in terms of your debating in the courtroom, um I have great reluctance in terms of doing that. What I will tell you is this is that I certainly will address so I'm going to deny your request to the extent it was a request to change your bond in this case at this time. Um certainly um hopefully we'll be able to go forth on the sixth and I certainly will relook at everything on the six and you could raise the issue again. But I want you to understand that part of it is because of what the allegations here are. And I'm not saying you're guilty of them. I'm not saying any of that. But in terms of the allegations and what could be and is from this court's perspective um a situation where you may pose a risk to the community but also a lot of it is of your own doing in terms of your what happened here. Okay. And so all of that I have to take into and can take into consideration. But like I said in fairness to you on the six be because today was 180 degrees from before and so I will now factor that in and on the six certainly I will take a look at anything he just raises again before the court.
Okay. And and I would agree just real quick and I'll agree with what Miss Hughes has said and that is is that if your medical were to an extent our jail is excellent. I I have to say the sheriff's office is extraordinary in making sure that people get the medical care that they need. But certainly you would have to apprise them of that and I think maybe you have and they will make sure that you're taken care of. I just don't have a doubt in my mind and have never had an issue with an inmate getting the the care that they need. So all right >> two uh two things.
Four times we've been a journ because I asked to represent myself. I don't believe my demeanor played any roles in that. I thought it was because there was some misunderstanding as far as the courts I'm trying to represent. So, >> oh no.
>> And then in regards to medical I reported this in May until I in July before followed up on it.
>> Okay. I suggest that you send another request regarding the medical issue. And Mr. Styrron, I would also suggest to you it never is an issue. I've had two others come through representing themselves. That is never an issue with me because you have a right to do that.
And I'm just going to let you know that is not the reason. You need to go back and you need to look at what you were doing in this courtroom toward this court for reasons I don't even Mr. Siren understand. So I'm not here to debate that with you. I'm just telling you that's where it was.
>> I wasn't that. What I was saying was uh maybe maybe I was misunderstood that when we went to proceed with the court proceedings, there was some misunderstanding in regards to uh the public defender's office representing me versus me representing myself since there was that misunderstanding. It was adjourned I believe four or four times over those matters. Wasn't because uh I was acted out. I believe I came and went so fast it wasn't even opportunity. No, there were a couple of procurements because of that, >> but um but that was because you needed there was assistance you needed in regard to what we were dealing with at a particular given moment. And then and so that's where the PD was standing in. But no, it was your behavior on the date that I revoked your bond.
And then the other dates were trying to make sure of that. And I was I'll just be honest with you, Mr. Tyrone. I was I wanted to make sure that you truly wanted to represent yourself and that your rights were protected with having the PD here.
And until I was clear on that, I wasn't going to let things proceed because, well, I'll just put it to you bluntly.
You got a hot head sometimes. And I wanted to make sure you weren't making that decision just because and not fully understanding what this was because these are serious charges and potentially more that are coming.
That that's my whole thing on that.
Okay.
>> I appreciate it.
>> All right.
>> One last question if if we're about to be done. In order to get a hold of your office, I can use the channel of the jail, not the mail system because I don't I don't have envelopes to pass information or anything that I the jail is my channel that I go through to to contact you and and inform you of certain things be it whether it's documents or or >> I'm not well >> or in regards to me needing more time.
>> I think you would have to send some type of communication, written communication to my office. I don't think there's a direct line and I'm not even sure how that works because I usually don't have inmates contacting my chambers directly.
Um, sometimes they will mail things which seems to me to not be it. Do you Oh, there he is. So, he'll figure that out. He'll let you know how to get a communication up to my office.
>> Okay. and not whether or not I can do anything about it. I don't know. So when that happens so that you understand whatever you send to me that I'm going to review needs to also go to the other side.
>> But what I will do to try to make things easier if this is okay with the people is that once it comes to me, I will make sure that whatever you're sending to me, they're going to get a copy.
>> That works. Thank you.
>> Perfect. Envelopes are a dollar and I have no money in my account. So it'd be it'd be very burdenome to try and buy envelopes to everybody.
>> They're a dollar.
>> Seriously? [snorts] >> I got about $500 in fact. [laughter] >> I'm just saying if I can sell them for a dollar, I'll just take the whole box down. Anyway, okay. So, we we sorted that out. Make sure to get with them.
They'll get they'll make sure it gets up to us.
>> Perfect. Thank you.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, >> Mr. Siren, >> I appreciate you behaving yourself this way >> because just listen because you're coming in hot like you did before. I'm just going to let you know with me or any other judge, that's a battle you're going to lose every time.
>> I can appreciate that. And my only response to that is I've never had never had that happen. All the other judges I've ever had in front of by the miss was able to have a conversation after the the court time.
>> She's nicer. She's nicer than I am.
>> She's a very nice woman. That's for sure. And she >> she's much nicer than I am. And so she she has patience sometimes. I don't.
>> Fair enough.
>> So you got to take it as it is. All right.
>> Thank you. You do the same.
>> Now, this ending to this second proceeding was very interesting because [music] for once, Judge Simpson actually acknowledged that Mr. Styron was handling himself much better [music] than he had before. And if you know anything about Thomas Styron from this channel or other channels, he's made so many appearances in different courtrooms. And he's gotten some judges really upset, including Judge Simpson.
[music] But the judge also made it very clear, Judge Simpson, that his previous behavior in court [music] played a big part in why his bomb was revoked and why the court had concerns about releasing him. And that [music] is the lesson here. You can argue your case. You can ask for more time. You can explain your medical issues. You can uh even represent yourself if that is what you choose to do. But how you conduct yourself in front of the judge, especially Judge Simpson, [music] matters. Judge Simpson told him plainly that coming in hot like he did before is a battle, he is going to lose what?
Every time. [music] So even though the court gave him more time to review the evidence and even said it would look at the bond again later, the judge was not going to ignore, right? He was not going to ignore the allegations [music] in the case or the way Mr. Thomas Styron acted in that courtroom. But listen, it's about that time to get out of here, guys. And you know my slogan, no one is above the law. Peace.
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