This video demonstrates that police officers must have clear legal justification for stopping and questioning individuals, and that citizens have the right to question the legality of police encounters, request supervisors, and record interactions; when officers cannot provide proper legal basis for their actions, their authority collapses and they must retreat from the scene.
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Domestic Disturbance Call – Supervisor Arrives, Their Story Falls ApartAdded:
Now you got my ID.
>> it's a crime. We're just saying that >> you making you made me give my ID, but that's okay. We have to investigate it.
>> Well, you can investigate it. Well, and you need that to to figure out if it was a crime.
>> we're So who we're dealing with.
>> Can I have Can I have your ID? Your ID.
See?
>> my ID?
>> Yeah, I want your ID. I want to look at yours.
>> you my ID. I'll tell you who I am. I'll give you my name.
>> I could have told you my name. Police approach a man after a vague domestic disturbance call and quickly begin pressuring him for identification despite there being no clear signs that any crime had occurred. When the man calmly questions the legality of the stop and asks for a supervisor, the officers repeatedly insist he must cooperate while failing to provide any clear legal justification. But instead of backing down, the man records the entire encounter, challenges their authority, and exposes the weaknesses in the officer's story. When a supervisor finally confirms that no domestic violence had actually taken place, the officer's justification collapses, forcing them to retreat from the scene as the situation quickly falls apart.
No, but Yeah, but they didn't What I need ID for? It's right here to investigate a disturbance. Sorry. I need a I need a supervisor. All right. Well, we're calling one for you, but I'm just telling you right now if you don't identify yourself, it's going to result in you being placed in custody.
>> This is This is This is This is not a stop and ID state.
This is a unlawful stop. I just pulled from right there and I didn't want to block someone from pulling in, so I pulled around right here.
>> down the street and stopped and talked to >> walked in 2 minutes ago. Not me. They didn't call on me, though. I'm I'm just I'm just But they didn't call on me. All right. All right. Well, I'll wait on the supervisor. All right. Well, I'm going to call a supervisor for you, but I'm telling you right now if you don't identify yourself, Well, when the supervisor comes, it's an unlawful stop.
And I'm videoing this, too. I'm videoing you, too.
>> I'm good. So we can just stand here and video each other. All right. That's fine. All right. Sergeant's coming to speak with you, and then like I said, we'll go over all the same stuff again. We'll get your ID and stuff like that. All right?
>> Uh-huh. What's your name?
It's right here. Is that what you tell the judge when you go in front of a judge? It's right here, judge. Yeah, but you're not a judge, so I don't have to worry about that.
>> Okay. It's not your policy to say your name when someone when I >> it. It's Cobb. It's only three letters.
Okay. So, your name is Cobb. That's all you had to say. Hi. Hi. How are you? All right. I'm good. Sergeant Owens. Okay. I don't need no help. They They're the ones that stopped me for no reason. It says domestic violence. There's no domestic violence. Okay. Well, from what I heard, there was a call, male supposedly beating female inside of a vehicle or something some type of altercation was going on inside of a vehicle. And apparently, I guess they stopped you.
They have to investigate and check it out. Okay, they did.
Okay, so is there You need to speak to me. What's the problem? They want my ID. I I haven't done a crime. There's two girls right there that was with me. All right, sir.
Here's the thing. It When we get called to types of disputes or arguments, you know, people have I argue with my wife.
We have to go and investigate and make sure there's no complaints signed >> Uh-huh. or going to be signed. That's no problem.
>> Then we have to get information to know who we're dealing with so that we have to complete a form. It says, "Listen, you you We were called to the scene. You were involved. You were involved. There are no complaints to be signed. And then everybody be on their way." You understand? That's all we have to do.
>> one of them if I got any arguments with them. All right, but yeah, if she's saying that it happened, you know what I mean?
Then I'll give you my ID. I'll give you my ID then. But I don't want to give it cuz I did not do a crime.
>> not in trouble. I know, but I don't want to give up my ID up. There's no reason to give my ID up. Ask one of them if I got any arguments with them. I hollered at a kid to sit down.
That's all I did. I never hollered at the girl here or the one back there.
Sir, you're really obstructing the investigation.
>> That's That's That's what it is. Okay, so that This is obstruction. I want to know that. You're withholding information from us.
>> I I haven't done a crime, but this is So, you're making me give me this? Yes, we have to conduct an investigation. We have to conduct an investigation to find out who and what is going on.
You understand that? I I don't understand it. You You just Why do you need my ID? Yes, we have to know what we're dealing with.
>> You don't have to know.
>> to investigate and make sure that there's no crime involved.
>> I'll find out. All right. Okay. We have to make sure there's no crime going on.
>> You just found out there's no crime.
>> I didn't find out anything.
>> They did They had to. You guys just talked to them and you said and they they said you guys were or they were arguing over kids.
>> altercation.
>> Okay. With me and her?
Or me and the kids? Me and the kids.
There's no way. I never said a word to this girl or the one back there. Okay, but something did happen in this vehicle, correct?
>> hollering at kids to sit down.
>> All right, but it to the outside person but someone calling That's not a crime.
And now you got my ID.
>> saying it's a crime. What we're saying is >> Well, now you're making You made me get my ID, but that's okay. We have to investigate and make sure there's no crime >> and you need that to figure out if it was a crime.
>> to. It's who we're dealing with.
>> Can I have Can I have your ID? Sure.
Sure. Your ID. You want my ID?
>> Yeah, I want your ID. I want to look at yours.
>> ID? I'll tell you who I am. I'll give you my I could have told you my name.
Okay, well. That didn't work. That won't going to work. That won't going to work.
You could have did that, too.
>> let me have that and I'll give you my name. Hold on a second. You just gave it to me. I got to make sure that you are who you are. What's your name? Thomas Lockenour. Thomas Lockenour. Mhm. Okay.
And your birthday? What's your birthday?
Go ahead. See, now you want to run the ID. See, that's what you want.
>> No, I'm Yeah, yeah. You You don't want to exchange IDs, see? You know who you're dealing with is right there. I'll take it back now.
>> Now I see it. Yeah.
I'll give it back to you. Yeah, see?
Listen, we get calls here. I don't show up to your job and tell you how to do your job, correct? Well, let me do my job.
>> I'm letting you do your job. You got my ID, but you guys are up to funny business. You're going to Everybody that's going down the road hollering, you going to get them? Nope. Don't you call us all the time for people in your building? All the time. You guys don't do There's only so much >> You guys don't do >> We're here to just de-escalate and diffuse the situation and you keep on escalating it.
>> I'm not escalating it. I'm not a little You would have been on your way 20 minutes ago, but you've obstructed this investigation.
>> now But now I can go see my lawyer again. Okay. Well, you're you know, that's what's great about this country.
You're more than welcome to do so.
>> Yep. As Jason Jason Sheets, I should have sued him. I didn't. I was nice enough to let it just want an I wouldn't either. That's why I don't understand why I got to give up my be stopped here and talk to you guys.
That's just crazy though, you know, if you just would have complied you would have been gone 20 minutes >> I don't have to comply and my lawyer is going to find out if I have to comply.
All right. Well, I'm glad you have that free time and you know, I want to see you exercise your rights, you know?
>> Yeah.
Can I see your ID back, sir? Sir, you're free to go. Okay?
All right. Have a good day, sir. Uh-huh.
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