Kourtney Kardashian's Dark Psychology: Almost Free

Added: 2026-05-20

[00:00:00]People have really gotten Courtney Kardashian wrong. People have called her boring, controlled, the least interesting to look at, at least according to her family. So, I thought, and some of you guys in my comments also thought that maybe it's the scapegoat.

[00:00:16]But I looked deeper than that. And Courtney is an interesting one because there's a specific kind of person who sees everything wrong in the room, who notices the pattern and stays. Anyways, and this is Courtney. This is what makes her story very interesting from other videos I've done, from any video that you have seen online about her. I think for me, this might be my most nuance video because we've talked about the golden child. We've talked about the scapegoat. We've talked about codependency. We've talked about dysfunctional family systems. But there's something unique with Courtney that I think a lot of you guys will relate to. But before we get too far into it, hi, my name is Julie Ty.

[00:00:54]Welcome back to my channel if you're a subscriber. But if you are new here, come have a seat next to me. Now, I have already broken down the Kardashians starting with Kris Jenner. I've done Kim Kardashian, and I've done Khloe Kardashian. So, if you haven't seen my other videos yet, make sure you go back and watch them. Especially Kris Jenner is the mother/monster who really started this all and started this whole machine.

[00:01:16]My kids call me the mamaager.

[00:01:18]>> But now we're diving into Courtney Kardashian. And you see, she's not the golden child. She's not the scapegoat like I actually once thought she was because she's not the rebel that broke away. She's something a lot more specific than that. And once you see it though, you're going to start to spot this pattern in your life. Because once I started doing this research, I was like, "Okay, there it is." Because with Courtney, she is self-aware to recognize what is happening in this family system and she gets close to leaving, but she doesn't ever actually leave.

[00:01:53]>> You think I want to come into this negative environment day, >> guys? Stop it.

[00:02:02]>> Dig your nails in me, >> you guys. Stop. Courtney. Courtney. And so this is a story of how someone can see clearly enough to resist but never clearly enough to leave. For Courtney, she remains almost free because to fully integrate into this deep dive to understand her dark psychology, let's first frame her and then we are going to reframe her. So how is she portrayed by her family? Well, we've heard boring, the difficult one. She never wants to film. She says no too much. She holds back when everyone else is giving and everyone else is showing up. She's lazy.

[00:02:37]For years, she was positioned as the Kardashians least interesting one. But was she labeled like this by her family because she was boring or because she was resistant? And this goes into the family dysfunction that I have spoken about in my other videos. This idea of you never go against the family. I was talking about this whole thesis with a girlfriend before I started filming and she's like, "Well, who is the scapegoat?" And I was like, "It was supposed to be Courtney. Well, if Courtney wasn't so difficult. Be nice team. You're just No one wants you in the out OF HERE AND GO. GET THE OUT OF HERE AND GO. No one wants you.

[00:03:14]Shut up.

[00:03:15]>> No, BUT IT'S LIKE I'M not scheduling.

[00:03:19]You >> are annoying, Courtney. Courtney, you just have a way of rubbing people the wrong way because she got the backlash.

[00:03:27]Like, we hear it. the things that the family puts on the highest pedestal, your looks, and then they go and say, "You are the least interesting to look at."

[00:03:34]>> I need Courtney to not be so annoying with the stick up harass like runs this because she doesn't. She's the least exciting to look at so she can be out.

[00:03:47]This is conditioning to pull you back into the system. We learned that from Kim's video, how Kim really fell in line with the system and she is likely to probably go on to perpetuate that system with her own kids. So, in the dysfunctional family system, the role of the scapegoat exists when you go against the family. And what do they say in that Hulu trailer where you have Khloe saying, "Never go against the family.

[00:04:09]>> Never go against the family. Never go against the family."

[00:04:12]>> If you fall in line to the dysfunctional system, you get rewarded inside of that.

[00:04:17]It's never true peace because it's dysfunctional, but you might stay afloat long enough to not rock the boat. And that's where I think Courtney is. She has the same qualities of a scapegoat, which for the black sheeps of the family, it's the ones who see it, who become awake to it. And when they start to do that, then you are labeled the difficult one.

[00:04:35]>> Your kids have even come to me with problems that they have and how you are.

[00:04:40]>> You and my friends and my kids and everyone against me >> because you are breaking out of the system. Courtney was labeled the difficult one. And for the Kardashian family, their life is built entirely on visibility. Selling your trauma, selling your body, selling your story, selling your relationships for dysfunction. And there is something in Courtney that deeply disagrees with that. So, this girl is filled with cognitive dissonance. She does have part of her that has a refusal to fit into this system that says, "I don't want to film.

[00:05:08]I don't want to be on camera. I don't want to sell myself to the same life that you have." And she would say in confessionals that it felt like she was on a hamster wheel, that she felt miserable, that she felt like something needed to change. But with Courtney is she would draw the line and then she would stay anyways. And that tension that I'm speaking about is the story.

[00:05:26]Because that's the interesting part about Courtney. It's not that she resisted, but that she resisted inside of a system that she still failed to dismantle. She kept saying she wanted out of the show, of the family dynamics, and she never went, not fully. She stayed in the family. She stayed in the ecosystem. She started a wellness brand called Pooch. Then she married a man who she built her entire identity on him.

[00:05:48]And we are going to be talking about Scott and Travis and how this all fits in. But every exit she made was a partial exit. Every boundary that she set still had a door for people to come back in. And I will say when I was looking at this, I had some judgment. I said this in my Jam Lynn video that I'm like, it's hard for me to have respect for people that stay in this system. I at first was raised as the golden child and then when I woke up to the dysfunction inside of the family, I left. I became estranged from my family and it was painful. It was hurtful. But I always felt when it came to a family system, how can you see everything and then stay and then be complicit inside of this abuse machine? And so I'm looking at Courtney and I'm like, you see it though. You're aware and you stay. But then I remembered, how have I been inside of relationships? How are some of you inside the relationships?

[00:06:41]Because yes, it can be the case that someone completely manipulates us and they're wearing a mask. But I know for myself, I am self-aware and there have been plenty of times where I saw the writing on the wall. It was right in front of my face and I didn't want to see it. I still stayed inside of a system that was abusive, that was dysfunctional. And this made me relate so much more to Courtney because sometimes we might be blinded to it.

[00:07:08]Sometimes we want to look the other way and sometimes we see it and we still don't leave. So let's talk a bit more about this system and what Courtney was actually born into. So Chris Jenner had Courtney when she was 23. And it is important to her psychology that she was the first born. And even though Courtney's childhood came before the cameras, there was still these themes of ambition, relentlessness, image, and presentation that was super focused on inside of this family. Kris Jenner, we know from her videos, she has a long history of being opportunistic, of valuing image over her family, her kids.

[00:07:45]And then we also had Rob Kardashian, and he was a successful attorney. Again, very image focused forward. And outwardly, they did a good job at making their family kind of look perfect, but we know from Kris Jenner's video that it was very far from perfect.

[00:07:59]>> You know, be careful what you wish for because it's exactly how my story turned out. and Robert and Chris divorced when Courtney was 12. And this is the part that makes her being the oldest child very important to her psychology because all of this instability really puts her at the front lines for being the child who would be parentified because she is the one who is going through all of that instability. By the time there was cameras and Chris was remarried, Kendall and Kylie got that instability a lot less. But the oldest child, it's very often that they're going to be parentified, that they're going to be the ones that overfunction. And in Courtney's case, she was going through so much of this chaos, all the ups and downs. She was with the family through every phase. And a child who's parentified, they're going to watch adults more than the other kids. They're going to be more hyper aware of their surroundings, which leads into hypervigilance in dysfunctional households. And it's alleged that Chris Jenner was also an abusive alcoholic.

[00:08:58]that she was physically abusive to her kids. So, I think of course Courtney has this. Of course, she probably has a very high read on conflict in the room. It's not even a conscious choice. It's a survival adaptation. The family system needs a regulator and Courtney stepped into that role very early on. And so, is this why she is so controlled in everything she does? Or, as her family would say, why she comes across as so boring? But there's a quote she gave in the Kardashian Confidential, which was this book that all of the sisters wrote together, and she had said in there, "I've worked so hard to keep this family together." I don't think that line is incidental. I think that is a very direct reflection of the world view that she developed as a child. She learned that cohesion in the family is her job.

[00:09:43]She learned that she is responsible for holding things in place and that the alternative to that is the system collapsing. So she is working overtime, overfunctioning to hold this family together. So when she says, "I have worked so hard to keep this family together." That is the weight of the world of a dysfunctional family system on your shoulders. And even when we talk about Robert Kardashian died and just how the different siblings handled everything for Courtney, she said in one of the family therapy sessions on Keeping Up with the Kardashians that she felt like she handled her dad's death very well. and she had spent months before his death working in his office.

[00:10:21]She was able to speak at his funeral and later she would say of his wedding ring that Chris gave her before her own wedding. When my dad died, I remember thinking that I was never going to want to get married because my dad isn't there to walk me down the aisle. Now, I feel like on the surface this can come across of like, of course, you want your family member to be there. But what I hear in this is that Courtney is perceiving her dad's death in terms of structure, in terms of what she loses structurally, and that comes first.

[00:10:49]Where someone like Khloe process this very differently. Khloe is a lot more in touch with her emotions. I think out of any of the Kardashians, she at least used to be, now she speaks with a lot more detachment, especially when it comes to relationships, which makes sense about from Lamar and Tristan. But as far as processing her dad's funeral, Khloe fell to her knees at the funeral, had to be sedated. They couldn't believe it. Whereas Courtney organized herself around it. She did what she had to do at every source of pain in that family, which is manage it. So when we talk about Courtney that she's so flat and has this flat affect and she's boring, what I'm describing here, it's not the lack of emotional absence. It's emotional armor. It's a child who had to learn to manage pain. And so that contradiction made me realize too that she isn't like a normal scapegoat kid who saw the system and broke away from it because she has a huge piece of her that started forming in early childhood.

[00:11:51]That her job is to hold the room together, not to break away from it. And that's really the reframe of Courtney.

[00:11:57]What we're seeing is this control. When we see her checked out, I guarantee you that is a form of control. She is managing her exposure, her emotion, her affect every single moment. And as far as the Kardashian filming went, I think she definitely did try to control what was filmed, how much she shared. And we see that in Courtney like the as if she has to film, there is this level of control to her. Not only in filming and being like how much is is going to be shared, how much of myself am I going to put forward, but we see it even in her control with food. You're not supposed to eat processed foods.

[00:12:34]>> There's candies that are not disgusting and filled with chemicals.

[00:12:40]>> Show me some.

[00:12:40]>> I can't eat this, but how exciting is it to smell it?

[00:12:46]I don't think Courtney has a very healthy relationship with food because of how she seeks to control. But here is the gap cuz she also once said, "I wish that when we weren't filming we could have privacy. I wish I could live in a bubble and just be with my family. But then she keeps filming and that is the gap with Courtney. There's a gap between what she says she wants and what she says she does. And it is so frustrating and seeing that in other people. But I'm going to ask for your empathy while we review Courtney because haven't we all freaking done that? Haven't we all known that we deserve better, that we can do better? And then part of us says like, I'm I'm not going to deal with it. It's too painful. I don't want to see. We rationalize. We justify. We make excuses. We say our empathy has kicked in. We become more understanding. What we're really doing is we become more self-abandoning. And it can be easy to be judgmental about situations like this because it can look like hypocrisy, but it's not hypocrisy. What it is is you are seeing a signature style of someone whose psychology is at conflict with itself. So with Courtney, part of her wants out and part of her is so defined by the system that she is in that she doesn't know what her identity is without it. And this is what we call ambivalence. When I work with clients, ambivalence is something that comes up a lot. And when I work with them, I don't tell them you shouldn't feel that way.

[00:14:08]Like if they're talking about an abusive relationship and it's like the person could be so horrible and they might be describing absolute abuse. Of course, the goal is for you to leave, for you to become your best version of yourself, for you to be free, for you to not experience abuse, but it doesn't make sense for me just to say that. If you've ever been in an abusive relationship, when people say, "Why don't you just leave?" It feels so invalidating because it's not taking in account everything else that you feel. So, when I have a client who is struggling with ambivalence, I will say like, "Tell me about those sides. Tell me about both sides." Because I want to hear the part of you that is like, "No, I can't leave." And I want to hear the other part of you that believes in your strength. Both of those exist. And the goal of that is to have the stronger part become louder and louder and stronger and stronger. But it can't get there without the acknowledgement that another side of you exists. And if my videos relate to you and you are loving what you are hearing, you're like, "Wow, my mind is blown. This sounds exactly like me." You can always book a session with me. And the same way that I'm breaking down Courtney and I am catching these nuances. This is what I do in my sessions with my clients. If you book a dark psychology breakdown with me, you literally get a whole blueprint what I'm going over right now with Courtney, you get that about your family, about your patterns. It's amazing. It's transformational. I get to meet so many of you guys doing that. But if the session isn't for you, keep paying attention. Keep taking notes because you can learn so much about yourself through these videos. That is what these are for. It's not about the Kardashians.

[00:15:32]It's how do we see ourselves in it? How do we relate? How do we get these lessons? And how do we become better?

[00:15:37]So, let's talk about now how Courtney's childhood psychology led her into picking the partners that she did. And again, I think Courtney is much more nuanced. You're not going to see this like direct reflection because there actually is a psychology behind picking the addict that we don't usually talk about. Yes, there is a piece and we've gone through this in my other videos where you experience dysfunction in your childhood. So, you go and seek out dysfunction. You are trying to in some ways close the loop. In other ways, you are psychologically addicted from a biochemical level even inside of your body of feeling not good enough, not worthy enough. It is all the patterns that your parents have given you and we loop back into them in the people that we date. But there is something I almost hear no one talk about and this is exactly what I see in Courtney. So Courtney met Scott Dick in 2006. She met him at a party in Mexico and she was 27 and he was 23. And from the beginning, Scott was charming, unpredictable, funny, but he was also someone who needed managing. He is a Gemini, by the way, as am I. So, can kind of relate.

[00:16:44]>> Me, he's he's fine and amazing. And when he's not with me is whenever we have problems.

[00:16:49]>> And that's not that's not so good.

[00:16:51]>> Well, he's a Gemini >> because I don't care if he's an alien.

[00:16:55]But let's talk about this part of Scott needing managing. Because this is where I think Courtney did find some identity.

[00:17:02]The identity that she was missing, she found it. Because what people don't talk about being with an addict, as up and down, as dysfunctional as it is, guess what? This addict provides you. You then get to be the stable one. You then always are the more mature one, the safer one, the one that has your [ __ ] together while they are constantly falling apart. That's what becomes predictable in them is that they fall apart while you always get to have your [ __ ] together. You will always look better next to that addict. But this is why when we talk about dysfunctional family systems and the roles of the addict, the one who then is dating them or married to them, you then are the enabling co-addict. So you really your your hands aren't clean in this. It might look like you're the one who has everything together, but you are playing that role, too. And what did Courtney do? She played that role. For Scott, they have admitted that he is an addict, that he has struggled with substance abuse. His drinking was very apparent by 2009 when Mason was born. There's that footage from the Miami spin-off where they go into Scott's apartment. And it's like it's it clearly wasn't new.

[00:18:10]>> Court, what is that? What just happened? He's so crazy.

[00:18:16]>> Are you okay?

[00:18:17]>> Let's just get out of here.

[00:18:18]>> Okay.

[00:18:20]What the hell was that?

[00:18:22]What the hell was that? I don't know.

[00:18:30]He was completely drunk, completely sloppy. And when they left, he punched a mirror. His hands started bleeding. And what Courtney said is, "I can't do this anymore. I love Mason more than I love you." And that's what it is. But then, what pattern do we see pop back up from her childhood? She went back. She was almost free, but then she went back.

[00:18:51]Scott went to rehab multiple times and she stayed. He was hospitalized with alcohol poisoning in 2014 when she was pregnant with her third child and she stayed. He had also cheated on her a bunch of times and then he was finally photographed in 2015 with another woman.

[00:19:06]And that's when Courtney was finally able to leave this relationship. So again, how are we seeing Courtney's childhood pop back up in her relationship dynamics? And that's plural because we are going to see it in Travis. And everyone thinks Travis was this so much more healthy, so much more devoted partner, but we're going to get into it. But how do we see it? So, when you grow up in a family like the Kardashians, here we have a high control, performance-based family system. So, I think it makes absolute sense that she chose a partner that would always be struggling. This pops up a lot with Khloe Kardashian and how she picked Lamar. And I said in her video where I talked about this codependency curse with Chloe. And I said, "When you don't believe you are worthy of love, you will settle for being needed."

[00:19:48]Courtney is slightly different. I think for Courtney, having a partner that was more dysfunctional than she was gave her something that inside her family she never got. And that was finally an identity that wasn't up for negotiation.

[00:20:00]So Scott was a mess that was never in question. And then next to him, Courtney always got to be the stable one. She finally got to be the one that had it all together. and inside a family where you're constantly measured against each other. So, she was constantly being pitted against Kim for her fame, Khloe for her personality, Chris for her ambition. And with Scott, she finally became the most functional person in the room, and that was undeniable in their relationship. So, Scott's need for her was something she knew how to respond to. His dysfunction gave her structure.

[00:20:29]Scott and Courtney, they were together nine years. They had three children.

[00:20:33]They had numerous ups and downs and different breakup cycles. But then it finally did end. And this is a piece in Courtney's era and lore that not a lot of people talk about. And this part was very pivotal to Courtney because it was a time that she was finally almost free.

[00:20:52]She was so close. She was near the exit.

[00:20:55]This is before Travis. And we have a moment in her lore where it's from 2015 to 2021. And this is when she was single. This is when she was standing up to her family more than ever before.

[00:21:05]This is where she was most herself publicly than she had ever been. She was single. She was still on the show, but she was becoming more increasingly difficult. Again, like in this era, this is when people really started to be like, "Oh, she's a scapegoat. She's a scapegoat." Because she was breaking away from the family more than ever. She kept her kids more private. She was dating, but it was very casual. And she was saying out loud and repeatedly, "I don't want to do this." This this is where you get her error where she's talking about like seeing her therapist and how the therapist says it's wrong and she's setting boundaries. And in 2019, she told her mom in the Keeping Up with the Kardashian finale, I don't want to do this anymore. This is where she said she was at her breaking point and she was unhappy. But again, we see Courtney's same pattern because she stepped away from filming, but she did not stop. She reduced her participation, but she did not go. And Chloe said something that is so revealing about this and she said, "I feel like it's a revolving door. So Courtney might leave this week, but she'll be back. They all come back." That is kind of hauntingly chilling to me because what I know from narcissistic relationships and abusive relationships is they are betting on you coming back. They're first of betting on you that you will never leave and they are betting on that you will then come back if you do leave. And this happens over and over again. Most people need seven, eight tries before they finally leave their abusive relationship. And for some people, they never leave. Some people die inside of their abusive relationship. Like, this is how abuse works. And your abuser relies on and counts on that you will be back. And I think it's so hauntingly chilling that Khloe said this because she is betting on that Courtney comes back. Like Courtney can say that and she'll be back. They all come back. Like, to me, that shows that the family really views Courtney in the same way that abusers would. And it's it doesn't it doesn't matter if you try to leave like you will be back. And what happens in abusive relationships? You go back not because you're weak, but because the system is designed for you not to leave. And that is exactly what is happening inside of this Kardashian family system. It's designed to make leaving feel like it's impossible. And for Courtney, she has never fully interrogated on why that is.

[00:23:16]Babes, it's because you live inside of an abusive family in my opinion. But during this era, this is as close as she got to articulating the problem inside of this family system. She said her values no longer align. She called their obsession with money disgusting. So, I'm still upset, so I don't want to sit here and like linger for days, but I'm just here to say that I'm not going to spend my time, whether it's my sister or not, with anybody that talks to me that way or thinks that way about me. Everybody has different priorities. I don't want to spend my time with people that don't make things that we plan a priority and try to change everything and aren't considerate of other people's work obligations.

[00:23:58]>> So do it. How is the person that is the least busy?

[00:24:02]>> How am I the least busy?

[00:24:04]>> You're not ever accommodating and everybody says it.

[00:24:07]>> Not going to be around people that bring me down on a daily basis. How do I bring if I'm this if I'm that? I'm just doing my best. So I I cannot handle and be around you when you're just a [ __ ] >> She talked about just wanting to be with her kids. She talked about wanting to leave. She talked about this awareness that she had that like this [ __ ] doesn't matter.

[00:24:28]>> So get over it.

[00:24:29]>> At the end of the day, when you die and when I die, it doesn't matter how much money is in our bank account. But what matters to me is my memories, but it is to you because I don't give a >> And all this is that awareness part. I do believe that Courtney's awareness is real. I don't think she's performing it.

[00:24:47]I think she genuinely saw what this machine was costing her.

[00:24:51]>> No, you're not sorry, Kim. You said it.

[00:24:54]You can't take back words that you said.

[00:24:56]>> But seeing the machine is not the same as leaving. Again, just like in toxic relationships, the writing can be on the wall, but being aware of why we do what we do is not the same as leaving it. If you look inside, I know you guys want me to break down Taylor, Frankie, Paul, and Dakota, which I actually did have a video where I broke them down before I had moved to Utah. Now it's a little too close to home. Dated Dakota's roommate.

[00:25:20]I went through my own trauma with that.

[00:25:22]I know these people in real life. I'm friends with some of them in real life, unless they want to sit down and do the interview with me. I'm probably not going to do any further videos on them.

[00:25:32]But what I'll say in this one is we see that from Taylor again and again. Like she can show up on camera and be very self-aware of her patterns and what she's doing and that she shouldn't do it anymore. Guess what? Being aware of the pattern is not the same as leaving the pattern because leaving requires you to be willing to be changed by the exit.

[00:25:51]And in Courtney's case, she would have to be willing to have this person who existed inside of the family system to dissolve. She doesn't know who she is outside of the family system. That's why she gets close. She has a ton of cognitive dissonance. She doesn't fully want this. She doesn't know who she is outside of this family and the family continues to punish her every time she leaves. Like she never go against the family. It really is their core motto, including other family members. And as much as Courtney wants to be ready for that, there's something in her that isn't. There's something in her that gets so close, almost free, and she doesn't leave.

[00:26:26]>> And I will move to another state at some point or another country. But now is not the exact moment in time. But I cannot wait for that day. and hopefully like just enough to have these fake relationships.

[00:26:38]>> And then she got really wrapped up roped back into the system with Travis. And I cannot wait to talk about her and Travis because when I see what is commented about online, I just think wrong, wrong.

[00:26:51]I have sat and thought on this. So let's get into her and Travis. So her and Travis became official in early 2021. So first of all then Courtney's almost leaving era almost choosing herself era is is now done because these two they knew each other since 2006 and they had been introduced through by Kim and we are going to get into Travis's obsession with Kim how this relates to Courtney's psychology but when we first saw Courtney and Travis on the scene we saw I mean they were like PDA central they were making out their tongues are out at every single step they were getting tattoos of each other. Courtney was tattooing Travis. Like it was just these love bombing uh very loud public declarations of love. And with their PDA, like this was something her and Scott were together for 9 years. The same type of [ __ ] wasn't going on. At first, people were really like, you know, Courtney finally found someone that loved her because Scott is such a piece of [ __ ] But the PDA, you guys, was at a level where her kids were feeling uncomfortable.

[00:27:51]>> Oh my god. People were like pissed about the Disneyland video of me on you.

[00:27:56]They're just like, "Who's taking the video? You guys are at Disneyland.

[00:28:01]>> Our tour guide."

[00:28:04]>> I just think people have trouble understanding how two people can be so in love and affectionate cuz they're miserable.

[00:28:13]>> Yeah, totally.

[00:28:14]>> That's why.

[00:28:16]>> And they didn't stop. The kids were trying to set boundaries. The kids said that they didn't want to be around that and they didn't stop. But from the outside narrative, it kind of looked like Courtney really found someone who was stable. After enduring years of instability from Scott, she then found Travis, who was sober. He worshiped her.

[00:28:35]He had been through his own addiction and came out the other side of it. He had survived this plane crash. He was now into health. They aligned. And none of that's necessarily wrong, right? Cuz Travis is sober. He is devoted. He by other people's accounts is a dedicated father to his kids and he is a man in ways that Scott Dick never will be.

[00:28:56]Mostly just in the ways that he's like an actual responsible adult. But don't worry, I'm not going to skip it. In 2015, Travis had mentioned in his own memoir his own words about being obsessed with Kim. Kim is who Travis originally or at first wanted. He literally said, "I keep on secretly checking out Kim, telling my drum tech, "I don't care if she's the closet girl.

[00:29:21]She's effing hot."

[00:29:24]And him and Kim stayed in touch. He took her to lunch. He took her to dinner.

[00:29:28]Yes, Kim and Travis dated. He visited her at the Dash store in a 2015 interview. He called her eye candy. He publicly was admitting to having a crush on Kim. And Travis's ex, Shannon Mogler, also said something very interesting because in 2021, she went public and said part of the reason of her and Travis's divorce was because he had an affair on her with Kim Kardashian. And at that time, we were still like, you know, kind of working on things. And I had a house in the same neighborhood.

[00:29:53]And so we were like going back and forth to each other's homes. And someone anonymously and randomly text me uh their conversations. And I'm pretty sure it was Paris.

[00:30:03]>> Wow.

[00:30:03]>> I'm pretty sure it was Paris. I don't know.

[00:30:05]>> Wow. Um, >> so somebody just texts you from a random number and it's screenshots.

[00:30:10]>> Yeah. Of all the of all Travis and Kim's conversations.

[00:30:12]>> And what were those like?

[00:30:14]>> They were trying to meet up at her sister's house to [ __ ] >> Which sister?

[00:30:17]>> I don't know.

[00:30:18]>> Oh, >> I don't know.

[00:30:19]>> Wouldn't that be crazy if it was Courtney?

[00:30:21]>> Yeah, I know. I know. Um, I think I think Courtney >> How would that person have gotten those screenshots? That's crazy.

[00:30:29]>> Someone someone got in her phone for sure.

[00:30:31]>> Wow. And I remember I I went to to the house and I showed him to him and I I was balling. I was just so I was just [ __ ] broken. And I showed him the text messages and he deleted them. And so I I said I don't see anything. And I was like we're going to do this.

[00:30:46]>> Like we're going to do this.

[00:30:47]>> Wow.

[00:30:48]>> I mean that's the biggest admission of guilt.

[00:30:50]>> Yeah. Just like And then she called I called her. We had words. And uh and she just said to me that she didn't like white guys. She only dated black guys.

[00:30:57]And I was like, "Kim, you'll [ __ ] anyone to be famous. like you really will and you [ __ ] you know that little singer boy and you you know and you you [ __ ] the Instinct kid. You [ __ ] the Insync kid you know or whatever.

[00:31:09]>> Which Insync kid?

[00:31:09]>> I think she she was with um I don't know all their names and stuff.

[00:31:13]>> Um you can Google it. It's out there for sure. It's definitely out there. But I was like you'll [ __ ] anyone to be famous, you know, because they didn't have their show yet. And then they just got their show and then Travis and I really um never really recovered from that. And now this is as recent as this year in 2026 where she reiterated on a podcast and she had said, "I had gotten texts from an anonymous number that Travis and Kim were having an inappropriate relationship. I divorced for that reason." And Travis and Kim denied this. They like they never talk about this, but we know from my other videos from the Ray J video, if you guys haven't watched that, oh my gosh. By the way, this lawsuit is going to come out.

[00:31:51]I told you guys first. I told you guys months and months ago because Ray J came to me and Ray J gave me all of the info.

[00:31:57]So if you want an update on what's to come, make sure you go watch that video.

[00:32:01]I literally told everyone first, but we really know from that video, if the denial of the BBLs and denial of the lip fillers didn't give it away for you already, is that the Kardashians be lying in my opinion because Travis and Kim have denied it. There isn't hard proof of the affair. Uh, but what we do have is Travis's own words that Kim was on his radar before Courtney ever was.

[00:32:24]And he met Courtney through Kim. He knew both of them as early as 2006, but Kim is who he pursued. Kim was on his radar.

[00:32:32]And what is that? Well, it's context, a lot of context about Courtney because what do we know about Courtney? Uh, she spent her whole life measuring herself against Kim. And that started with how her mother did it to them first. And her family reinforced this of her being the other Kardashian, of her being the least interesting to look at. So she was the less famous one, the one who didn't work as hard, not as pretty as Kim, not as interesting as Kim, not as good as Kim.

[00:32:56]And then you have this man who is so publicly and loudly devoted to you, but who has described your sister as the one that he couldn't stop looking at. And call me wrong, call me crazy, there is a wound there. There is no possible way that a wound cannot exist there. Like something has to be activated there, whether consciously or not. And now we're going to add another psychological element on top of it. Cuz what we also have with Courtney from first picking Scott and then picking Travis is we have this pendulum swing. And pendulum swings can be dangerous cuz they can look like healing. But that's not really what is happening. And we get this in a few different ways with Courtney. First of all, she spends her life inside of this Kardashian family system who isn't seen as much. And suddenly, she becomes this object of such public devotion. She is being seen. And my guess is that that dynamic really felt like some type of hunger was being fed. So then going from Scott's chaos to Travis's devotion feels like healing. It feels like you learned and for some the growth can be real.

[00:33:57]Like going from an addictive partner to a sober partner, that is something, but that's not how the nervous system interprets it. The nervous system's underlying wound doesn't care how that person presents. It cares whether the emotional architecture feels like something it recognizes. I can really relate to this. I feel like the pendulum swing is so common. When I was in undergrad, I had dated someone. This was like the passionate relationship, the physically abusive relationship, just up and down, so much turmoil and chaos. And my relationship right after that, these were and these were both three yearlong relationships. Like I spent a lot of time in both of these the so then the pendulum swings. I find someone who is calm and stable or so I thought but it was so much different like the and I we're kind of told that lie to it's like oh the passionate love is supposed to be it's not good and it has to automatically be toxic. Then I was with someone who felt like it was so much more calm and stable but as time went on there was so much neglect and that neglect piece messed me up just as bad.

[00:35:00]And this is when I realized I'm like the pendulum swing doesn't mean that there is growth. And I'm like I picked the same wound on a completely different side of the spectrum because well what what is that wound underneath is that I'm not worthy of love that I'm not capable of love. I experience it in the up and down and then you experience it inside of severe neglect. That wound is still the same. And that's why I will get clients and they'll come to me and be like I need this relationship fixed.

[00:35:26]I need this relationship fixed. It's never about the relationship being fixed. It's about yourself being fixed because your outer world will always reflect what is the inner world. And until the inner world heals and changes, you will just find people with different faces. But the wound will pop up again and again. And this is exactly what is happening with Courtney and Scott or now Courtney and Travis. Scott and Travis look completely different, but Courtney still has that underlying wound. With Scott, she was managing chaos to maintain her role. But with Travis, the nervous system is still imprinting something, and that is the performance of love. I mean, this is Courtney who said she hates the camera. She just wants to live in a bubble. And now her relationship is so public, so grand that it has its own Hulu special. And let's talk about how her style also changed.

[00:36:13]First, gradually, and then absolutely completely. And Courtney, for a while, I would say she was the most individually dressed Kardashian. She used to be distinct, colorful, and now she is just the exact mirror of someone who is mirroring her husband's style and aesthetic. And I think this is really important for us to be aware of because your style, your aesthetic, the way you present yourself to the world is one of our last ties to individual identity.

[00:36:35]And Courtney, in those years that I was talking about, she was making steps in building an identity away from her family. And then what happens in one year of her being with this man, her identity once again is completely absorbed. and she I don't think she has one because when you lose your aesthetic, it's not just a style change.

[00:36:52]It is literally an inner dissolution of self. We talked about this in my Amanda Biden's video. She looks different because her whole inner state has changed. And I think for Courtney specifically as someone whose one of her psychological defense mechanisms is control such as control of her image, this should be alarm bells ringing because then dissolving her identity into another person is basically eraser.

[00:37:19]So no, I if you want my opinion, I do not think her and her relationship with Travis is healthy. And then let's talk about this old wound that keeps repeating. So we're going to get into the Dolce and Gabbana, her wedding of it all. And again, this wound with Kim that we see again and again. So, when Courtney was going through this relationship with Travis, it kind of felt like I I definitely think she enjoyed that spotlight. Again, it's like she was finally getting her own moment.

[00:37:41]The paparazzi was on her. Photos of her were being taken. She was the one who was getting invites and not just because she was Kim Kardashian's sister. She was Courtney Kardashian. And then so her and Travis get married in Italy. And again, I think this was a moment for her where she finally felt like I'm not just part of this like Kardashian family system, but I'm having a moment that is mine.

[00:38:00]Like I am my own bride and side of my own relationship that's very public and drawing in spotlight that is mine alone.

[00:38:07]And at her wedding, Courtney wore full Dolce and Gabbana. And then months later, Kim signs a deal with Dolce and Gabbana. And then we see Courtney crying and she breaks down to Kendall and she says, "What else could you take from me?

[00:38:20]Can I have anything that's mine?" And that is the wound because listen to that. Can I have anything that's mine?

[00:38:27]We have a woman who is in her 40s who has more money than most people will ever have in their lifetime over and over and over again. She has a brand.

[00:38:36]She has a platform. She has a husband and she has four children. And she's crying on camera of whether she can ever have something that is just hers. And then she says of Kim, "She chose the money over me. And that's why she never truly asked me. It's not that she forgot to ask me or thought I wouldn't care. I think she wouldn't have known what to do if my answer was no. And isn't that the whole Kardashian system in one sentence?

[00:39:00]No one asked because asking creates the possibility of no. And inside this family, they don't have a system that knows what to do with a no because no one gets told no and has it stick, which is basically Courtney's whole problem.

[00:39:12]And we know that Chris Jenner is the architect where all of her children's lives is just branding. The business is the family. The family is the business.

[00:39:19]All these children growing up in the system know that their bodies, their trauma, their stories can all be leveraged. And Courtney saw it and she does have moments where she names it.

[00:39:28]She resisted harder and longer than other people inside of her family. And yet when Kim took that Dolce and Gabbana opportunity, she was left devastated.

[00:39:37]>> You couldn't be happy for me. You couldn't be happy that I was the center of attention and you weren't.

[00:39:43]>> Why would I not I not be happy for you?

[00:39:45]I felt at my wedding like you weren't happy for me >> because you have a serious vendetta. You just are a different you you hate us.

[00:39:55]You you're a different person. We all talk about it.

[00:39:57]>> I don't need you guys anymore. I don't need to be a part of it.

[00:40:02]>> All of your friends call us complaining.

[00:40:04]Whether you think they're the ones going to you, they're all coming to us on the side saying the opposite to us. So, we're all confused and we're on a group chat that's actually labeled not Courtney. So we know and have to funnel what your friends are saying to us.

[00:40:17]>> You are a narcissist. It is all about you. Anything you do, it's about you and about how it looks to the world about you.

[00:40:25]>> Are you happy?

[00:40:27]>> Yes. Not not when I'm on the phone with you. I was 5 minutes ago.

[00:40:32]>> You just We all are concerned. We all think that you're just really not happy.

[00:40:37]>> It's you and my friends and my kids and everyone against me. It's like you're just a witch and I hate you.

[00:40:47]>> And yeah, that's because the system doesn't stop taking just because you name it. The system doesn't change because one person finally decides to resist it a little bit. And isn't this the irony? Because in the same episode where Courtney is naming it, where she's crying about the system, she is still sitting there filming. She is still consenting to having her pain be content. The wound and the exposure are happening simultaneously and she allows it cuz it's all she knows. Courtney's whole identity, as much as she doesn't want it to be, is wrapped up inside this system. Courtney has pulled away multiple times and each time she finds a way to be connected. She did the same thing in her relationship with Scott and then when she left, she's pulled back into a system with Travis. And Courtney is a grown woman. She's 46 years old.

[00:41:33]She has more resources than most people will ever see in their lifetime. By every external measure, she is free. And yet, she is still in the house. But that's the reason why her story matters.

[00:41:45]Most of us don't have cameras following us around or a billion-dollar family.

[00:41:49]But so many of us can relate to the wound where you see clearly. You know what's going on. You spot the pattern and you don't leave. We might not be Courtney Kardashian, but we know what it's like to spot everything that's wrong in a room and still find every reason not to leave it. We know what it's like to choose partners that feel familiar in ways that we can't fully articulate and then be confused by that pattern keep showing up again and again in a different body. And guess what?

[00:42:14]Those patterns don't dissolve once you get rich or famous or married. And if you don't heal them, they just go dormant until they find a new home. And Courtney knows that. That is the most haunting part of her story is that she knows. She's said it in confessionals, in interviews, in tearful conversations with her own family members. She knows what it's costing her. She knows. And she still hasn't left. And maybe she never will. This is why I call Courtney's story almost free. Only time will tell where Courtney's story will go from here. But we still have a few more Kardashians.

[00:42:48]And when we are talking about the lost child, I think there is probably no better psychological example than Rob Kardashian. So, if you are not subscribed, make sure you are. If you haven't seen the other videos in the series, make sure you check them out.