Magnifica Humanitas: There Are Major Problems With Leo XIV's Encyclical On Artificial Intelligence

Added: 2026-05-27

[00:00:00]Well, welcome to the Integrity Magazine podcast, the home of counterrevolutionary Roman Catholicism.

[00:00:06]I am your host, Stephven Cox. Earlier this week on Monday, Leo published his first social encyclical, Magnafica Humanitas, on the topic of artificial intelligence. Coming in at a whopping 244 paragraphs, the document touches on an array of topics, including just war, religious pluralism, and of course, human dignity. Now, reaction from the commentariat classes has been fairly slow. We suspect perhaps they're reading it. Perhaps they're still trying to figure out how to coordinate a response.

[00:00:38]In any case, we here don't need much more time because we know exactly what this document is saying if you read it in light of tradition.

[00:00:47]And today to discuss this document is senior integrity contributor Rion Vonzale, also known as the radical fidelity blog and Catholic Esquire.

[00:00:58]Gentlemen, thank you for being here.

[00:01:00]>> Thanks, Stephen.

[00:01:01]>> Thank you, Stephen.

[00:01:02]>> Rion, you were one of the very first to get an article up on this very s on this document. I'll bring it up on the screen. This is for Integrity's website, Vatican 2's religion of man on full display in Leo's AI encyclical. Uh, what were your initial reactions? What's your big takeaway? Just 10,000 foot to get us started here. What did you see off the bat?

[00:01:25]All right. Obviously, very long. I mean, we can all agree on that. It's 244 paragraphs. I think I copied it into a word document and it it took up 84 pages and that's without the footnote. So, it's a pretty um long document which um but not a very Catholic document uh in in my view. Um, you know, I saw online people picking out the little thing here, the little Tolken reference here, and the little thing there, and grasping onto that. And I saw a certain commentator say, um, that he's so glad what he that Leo has said, children shouldn't have cell phones. And I thought to myself, or smartphones. I thought to myself, uh, I don't need to hear that from a pope or so-called pope, number one. And if you have to read 84 pages and that's your only takeaway, then this document clearly have failed miserably. Um, but that said, it's absolutely a for me a globalist United Nations type of document. Um, it's extremely boring. I said in the article yesterday that you can't, you know, it's there's nothing in there that you couldn't find in any good secular source on this sort of subject. um sort of thing I'm almost want to say and it sounds terrible that you can find in a man's magazine a men's magazine and I don't mean like a porn magazine but I mean one of these you know men's interest like 10 things you shouldn't do with AI whatever I don't know so that was basically my takeaway in a broad way he touched it was it was a big time um virtue signaling document there was all the usual suspects like you already said the just war theories was was was questioned um there's the thing about what else was there? There was another thing that was very t oh the slavery thing, you know, just had to tell the world where where where this this this this pontificate is at and where this hierarchy is at. Um and then the the you the repeat and over and over going back to um human dignity was it wasn't just irritating, it was disturbing. uh this this document basically for me was more about the worship of man than a warning against the dangers of AI etc etc but that's for me in a nutshell. Um, >> yeah, I think >> I think Mario Durkson did a um capture of all the the the words that were uh in the document and the bigger words you see on the screen here, the ones that were most uh common and those words are human, social, dignity, good, justice, humanity. Uh you see church uh not as prominent. You see nothing about sin here really. you see nothing about uh our Lord Jesus Christ, the prince of peace, um and our weapon against evil and uh the dangers of technology. Um uh Esquire, you uh took up the unenviable task of tweeting about this while you were reading it. What were your big takeaways?

[00:04:32]>> Yeah, so what I did is I said, I'm going to try an experiment. I said, I'm going to read this for the first time, and while I read it for the first time, I'm going to tweet my my initial impressions. So, it took me about 26 ex posts um or tweets to uh get that across. One of the things I noticed was of course we were expecting we knew ahead of time that they were going to talk about AI and transhumanism. So, >> um I had I I had Googled and researched a little bit ahead of time, you know, what are li this is what I said. I said, "What are liberals saying about AI and transhumanism?" and and and sure enough, the uh response I got before this was released was pretty much exactly what showed up in the document.

[00:05:17]>> Um, which which tells me that this is, you know, this is all in line with sort of the ongoing liberal progressive um uh thought process right now on AI and transhumanism. But what caught my attention was that much of it h actually as a percentage it didn't seem like that much of the document was dedicated to AI and transhumanism. Um as much as I expected when I was tweeting I said I'm I'm at paragraph 89 and we still haven't got to any of the technology stuff. Mhm.

[00:05:58]>> What there was a lot of in there, which did surprise me a little bit, was he got into Vatican 2, and he got into trying to show continuity with what he and Paul V 6th and Francis were doing with the preconciliar popes. And there was a significant amount of the document dedicated to that, which was very interesting to me. And um so and then of course as Rian said the dignity part that was that's that's big because what I don't think people realize and certainly people in the secular world is that this concept of dignity is doctrinal and it's um the incorporation of this personalist philosophy basically John Paul 2 he was big on this uh incorporating a non-atholic uh personalism into the doctrines of the Catholic Church which has the fundamental effect of changing ultimately changing what we believe.

[00:07:03]>> Uh and in fact as we saw in the document uh Leo did um effectively or attempt to change what the Catholic Church teaches about the just war doctrine. I I said to somebody I said well this is this is Leo's uh death penalty like it was for Francis. um you know, Francis sort of officially changed the teaching on the on the death penalty. Well, this is Leo's version of that for just war doctrine. So, I guess my overall take was it had in there what I expected, but there was a lot more and it as Rian said, most of it was um not not in any way, shape, or form what we would consider to be a Catholic document.

[00:07:46]>> Right. One of the things that he does say that's been getting a lot of attention is uh about Tower of Babel. He says here, quote, in the very first paragraph, "Humanity created by God in all its grandeur today is today facing a pivotal choice either to construct a new Tower of Babel or to build the city in which God and humanity dwell together."

[00:08:04]Now, this is a pretty rich statement because well, Rion, in your essay, you note that uh this is exactly what Vatican 2 attempted to do. basically that it uh in the name of so-called diversity and unity etc. It is it's imposing a sort of uh uh new world tower of babel if you will on uh on uh the faithful and uh and it's it's joining together with uh the universal brotherhood of man.

[00:08:31]>> Absolutely. Um, you know, either either Robert Revost is the most selfaware person on the planet or I'm almost thinking is I'm asking myself, is he mocking us with that? Because the whole Vatican 2 religion is this attempt to well we call it stuff like if you but if you say a globalist rel religion or one world religion you know people say you're you're a conspiracy theorist or whatever but that's all it is. It is this um secular humanist religion that's trying to bring all religions together um that is uh campaigning for for for a one world government in not so subtle ways. etc. Um, and going away from this document, I felt like it's not so much that uh he's saying he's against the Tower of Babel.

[00:09:28]It's more sounds like he's saying let's just have a ethical administration of the Tower of Babel. That's what this document sort of came to me. It wasn't um any warning about uh the godlessness of what's going on uh where technology is taking us in a sort of uh uh wanting to overshadow a God way or or waring against God or man raising himself up against God. It was none of that. It was just about um this is the new status quo. It's technocratic. It's globalist.

[00:09:58]So, let's do it nicely. You know, nice.

[00:10:00]Like uh Bishop Williamson always would say, his favorite word is let's just all be nice. uh while we do this completely antichrist thing. Uh that's what I felt about the Tower of Babel imagery. It was very very cheap and um like I say it's like he's unaware or mocking us. I don't know.

[00:10:19]>> Well, I think it's a case of projection almost and you know I did post a sermon from this past week and then I heard from a really good priest and um the title we posted on integrity was Pentecost united the church. Vatican 2 divided it just like at the Tower of Babel. Again, that's where they got rid of the Latin. That's where they got rid of the unity of doctrine. That's where they introduced all the sorts of diversity of languages and and secilum literally says bring in the cultural elements. And this is what we've had for that last 60 some odd years is nothing but division, nothing but babbling, nothing but disunityity on on faith and morals across the entire uh church across the world.

[00:10:55]I thought the Tower of Babel I I I I think it could have worked >> um because like I I I I on the surface level and I think a lot of people are going to view it this way on the on the surface level it could have worked with the idea that hey here's man. They're creating this artificial intelligence.

[00:11:12]They're trying to be play God. They're trying to be like God and do all that.

[00:11:17]And that's the that's the tower what the tower is representing in this situation.

[00:11:22]Um, however, that's not how he used the the analogy. Um, he he he he used the um and it was bizarre. It went off into strange things. He was talking about how the well, everybody was speaking the same language before, you know, while they were building and that shows lack of diversity.

[00:11:43]Um, I'm like, what what are you talking about? says, but the most important thing was is that he didn't take the analogy and bring it back to the point that man is trying to replace God. What he was trying to say is that there's a bunch of people who control all the data in the world that the AI uses to assault man as if man was the god that was being attacked as part of the Tower of Babel.

[00:12:08]>> I'm like, this whole thing is an inversion. this whole thing is complete inversion from the point of of the story. So, I it was biz I don't know what to say about it other than it was bizarre and it's actually one of the things I'm looking forward to hearing other commentators talk on about that and get to the bottom of this because clearly I don't think he used that in any way, shape or form is what we understand as Catholic Christians to represent as far as that story goes.

[00:12:37]>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think it's it's fairly obvious now the consiliate church is the handmade of the global liberal establishment and you know I just saw Frank Wright go viral the other day.

[00:12:47]Frank writes a former colleague of mine at Lifeight calling out the uh global world order and um you know this is uh something Ryan what you wrote about uh in your essay for us uh you said Magnafica humanitas continues the postconilia trajectory of anthropocentrism religious liberalism and global managerialism that has displaced the older Catholic understanding of christendom uh kingship and the social reign of Christ and this kind of goes back to the central thrust of this document is the dignity of man.

[00:13:18]And you know, we've heard this phrase before from Leo, the infinite dignity of man. Um, I'll start with you, Esquire, on on this topic first. Um, because I think that's at the heart of this >> uh problem here, this new man religion that they wanted universal brotherhood.

[00:13:33]There there is no talk of original sin.

[00:13:35]There is no need of redemption because as Vatican 2 says in Guardianz I believe or maybe Lumigentium I can't remember that Christ because of his incarnation in a certain way already unites himself with mankind with all man. So there's this complete Masonic interpretation here on full display.

[00:13:52]>> Yeah. Um so this is a this is a big issue and most of the world especially the secular world this is all going to go over their heads. They're not.

[00:14:01]Everybody's just going to assume that everybody knows what they're talking about when they talk about human dignity. That's always been the biggest problem with this idea of using dignity and and incorporating into doctrine is that it's never defined. No one really knows what anybody's talking about when we're talking about human dignity. And that's not a bug, that's a feature.

[00:14:23]>> And because you can turn it into anything you can and and that's exactly what Leo did in this document. He didn't even talk about AI entirely. He didn't even talk about transhumanism entirely.

[00:14:33]He talked about war. He talked about trafficking. He talked about um uh religious liberty. He talked about all these things because if you just say, well, every human has dignity, all of a sudden now you can make everything Catholic if you assume that what he's that this notion of dignity is actually part of Catholic doctrine. So, I guess my point is is that um this is going to go over the heads of a lot of people.

[00:15:00]They're going to focus on what he said about the iPhone. They're going to focus on um how do we control data control and stuff like that. But at the same time, what Leo is really doing here is he is solidifying this notion of dignity, human dignity, personalism, John Paul 2's personalism into the uh doctrines and beliefs of the Catholic Church in a way that will allow the progressives and the modernists to basically develop doctrine into absolutely anything they want it to be, which he actually just did right here in the document. So >> yeah, that's what they're saying. Uh when when Francis was in there, he said the death penalty is a sin against the dignity of man. He didn't say he didn't connect it to God at all. It's always an affront to man's dignity. And this is what if I've argued and I think you both agree is that dignity of the person, the dignity of mankind is at the core. It's a core doctrine of the Vatican 2 religion. Everything it goes back to that. And yet at the same time as we posted on integrity this past um last few days here let's remind ourselves of proper understanding church teaching on this topic and here's a quote from Leo I 13th who they like to quote on ram navarum but they won't quote Leo the 13th on immortality day or test benevalencier or the other documents that he wrote and here's what uh he he said if the mind ascends to false opinions and the will chooses and follows after what is wrong neither can attain its native fullness, but both must fall from their native dignity into an abyss of corruption. And that's in alignment with our understanding on human nature. It's in alignment with what St. Thomas Aquinas said, when we fall into sin, we become like the beasts. Uh Ri, I know you have a lot to say about this particular topic.

[00:16:46]>> Yes. So, um last night after all the, you know, after the article was published, etc., and I was actually chilling a little bit, I thought, let me have some fun and I was going to share this with you guys. I um ran the document now talking about uh human dignity. I just want to read this to you guys. So I checked and it's it it um the phrase human dignity actual phrase human dignity appears approximately 40 to 50 times depending how you count throughout. Then other um formulations of the same like dignity of the human person, equal dignity, infinite dignity etc. even pushes that number up which is um you know that goes beyond our opinions that that's that's in a doc that document that's how many times it appears. I also looked at other things like that which I'll maybe get to later but yeah this is absolutely absolutely a uh a document that glorifies man. It is the that's the bottom line of this. Um like you rightly said there's nothing I can add to that. It is um never anything is offense against God. Uh God is like I think it was um uh CS Lewis who said that people don't want a heavenly father. They want a senile grandfather who says just let the kids do what they want. I'm paraphrasing of course and this document relegates God to that. You know it's all about the young upcoming young gods. We are the young gods coming up and God forbid that we offend man while God is sitting and I say this with respect slobbering in a corner like a female grandfather. Um that's what I take away from this this this elevation of human dignity in this document.

[00:18:32]>> Yeah. So what is the church's Yeah. As on church's teaching on actual human dignity because it is a it is a thing.

[00:18:38]We do we do understand we're made in the image and likeness of God. We're not like the Protestants the Luther would say just dung heaps you know irredeemable. Um but do you want to touch on that or >> Yeah, that's actually what I was just going to mention is um actually that there is a in Catholic teaching tradition um this uh understanding of human dignity. I think St. Thomas Aquinas talks about this um but there's always it's always discussed or understood in the context of man's uh ability to lose that dignity or to be diminished in that dignity. Why? through sin, both original and personal sin. Um, and so that's why uh it's also the teaching of the church that one can lose dignity through their sin. And uh it's al it's also the reason why we've always understood and taught in the Catholic Church that a capital punishment is acceptable because >> um precisely because uh man loses his dignity through through his sin and and can warrant uh that that that punishment uh by diminishing his own dignity through sin. And so the the the this is consistent what what we know about modernism and the postconilia church is that we don't want to talk about sin anymore. We don't it's we're embarrassed by it. That's all mid that's all medieval stuff. uh we want to talk about how nice everybody needs to be to each other and can't we just love one another because we're just people like you know they're all special and uh so you can see it's a totally different worldview on how we look at dignity and sin is what we're reading in this document.

[00:20:20]>> Yeah. Here's the quote from Aquinus that uh you're referring to. By sinning, man departs from the order of reason and therefore falls away from human dignity and into the slavery uh of beasts. And you know the other thing that we were posting over at um integrity was the quotation from none other than St. Pas the 10th who in 1910 was pushing back against the Cion movement and he was basically accusing them of uh being part in an effort and he says here quote a great movement of apostasy being organized in every country for the establishment of a one world church which under the pretext of freedom and human dignity would bring back to the world the reign of legalized cunning and force. And I can't help but think of of of that in a sense because um again a lot of this document does sound like a UN document. It borrows the language the rights language of the enlightenment and liberalism. And I mean Leo has already said in the past in his document unati fiday let's forget about some of those theological controversies. He's already had uh anisci meeting. He's already had no stratate meetings and interreligious dialogue meetings. So, you know, this is the one world church of the modern age and the consiliary authorities are are are I like to say that they're they're fornicating it. They're cheating on the bride of Christ and they're jumping in bed with it all. So, Esquire, do you want to jump in on that?

[00:21:43]>> Yeah. I mean, this is this is the key to understanding I think this entire document is is this notion of dignity and how it's used. Um, it's not just a turn of a phrase. It's not just a different way to say what was taught before. It's it's a different it's a different doctrine. It's a different teaching which is why you see these developments in teaching on capital punishment and now just war doctrine because of this change in >> he calls it obsolete. Yeah, he calls it obsolete now. So >> yeah. So no, it's it's it's core to understanding all of this and uh you're going to see people try to avoid that.

[00:22:18]They don't they're going to ignore that aspect of it. But it's absolutely fundamental for Catholics who care about the truth to know that that's what this is about and the problem.

[00:22:27]>> Yeah. One of the rollouts um a part of the the the PR campaign the Vatican has engaged in was releasing this video. I'm not going to play the audio, but it's it's a pretty slick production. It uh has video here of the early 20th century. Uh here's Leela the 13th again that they they like to tie themselves to. There's I believe Pas sorry Benedict the 15th and there's Pas 11th. And so it's a pretty well-made production. This video, of course, uh they're showing the various events of World War II. Uh no offense to our older viewers, but this to me is just sort of a boomer slop video to try to rehash the arguments of the 20th century and to connect uh Leo to the events that have unfolded and to uh show that he's in continuity with all of that. But, you know, I didn't see in this video uh anything about St. Pius the 10th. I didn't see anything about uh again like I said earlier Leo the 13th's writings on uh Freemasonry you know they don't like to talk about humanm genus or some of these other thornier topics for their uh sort of modernist neomodernist agenda um and so again they they they will bring up what Leo says about the didn't the dignity of the human person the importance of social justice etc. Um, Rion, what was your reaction if you saw that video? And, uh, maybe to the larger point of how they're trying to retcon, they're trying to to connect Leo to all of this development of Catholic social teaching here. Uh, when it really again, it just it's more of a sociological text than anything.

[00:24:03]>> Yes. Yeah. First, first of all, you you hit the nail on the head calling it like boomer slop that that video. It was it was I don't know. I just felt frustrating there. Um all along with this I mean right from the announcement of this encyclical it was clear that they were pushing to um bring uh Leo the 14th in in in in sort of you know context with uh Leo uh sorry Leo the 14th with um Leo the 13th and uh he just fell so miserably. Um yes both seemingly are trying to to comment on the um the age in which they uh the their pontificate is taking place. Um but the way they go about it is like she ch cheese and chalk you know so completely different um in a sense of the one comes from a Catholic approach and the other one not at all. I mean Catholic Catholicism is pushed to the side. um Christ is pushed to the side with Leo the 14th. Um so yeah, they failed in that and a little video doesn't really help. Um I also I looked I looked yesterday last night as well at if you I mean they always want to go on about the continu continuity and if you look at this document something like I don't know 150 or 145 times um postconilia popes in etc is referenced mentioned or quoted whereas uh preconilia popes and documents is only mentioned something like 24 times so you got like a 84page document in which postconilia popes and encyclical um are mentioned 150 times which covers 60 years of Catholicism whereas the previous 1,960 years there's 24 mentions of that and it's very very very watered down as well. So any attempt to the only thing he's in continuation with is Vatican 2.

[00:26:14]Um, anybody who tries and tell me he's in continuation with Catholicism, I'm sorry. I'm I'm just so way beyond that.

[00:26:21]You know, I was thinking today, I feel like um what's the guy from Info Wars?

[00:26:25]Uh, you know, I'm talking about the crazy guy who jumps around. I feel like that now with these people who want to come with nonsense about um this church, this little church being in continuation of Catholicism. It's just so ridiculous.

[00:26:37]I mean, you have to be so intellectually dishonest to to to say this is Catholic stuff, what he's what he's what he's doing here.

[00:26:43]>> Well, we have a couple more minutes with you, gentlemen. Again, thank you both for being here. Thank you for our viewers for coming on today. Uh, one area talking about continuity or rather discontinuity with the council uh was mentioned uh when Leo brought up dignitus. Think I want to spend a moment or two on this as well because he says here uh in paragraph 34, the council recognized that religious front freedom is a fundamental right grounded in human dignity. They must be guaranteed by law so as to prevent people from being forced to act against their conscience or impeded from seeking and professing the truth privately and publicly. And this is I think an also relevant sentence here. This principle is highly relevant today and continues to provide social doctrine with decisive criteria for protecting individuals and building pluralistic and peaceful societies. Now, that might sound nice and and fancy, but pluralistic is just code for uh not the kingship of Christ. That means non-atholic religions uh spreading throughout um the civil sphere and denying Christ's rightful place as head of the civil sphere. Because as Leo the 13th as they all want to claim Leo's in continuity with him Leo the 13th said uh societies uh collection are collections of persons collections of individuals and they owe uh recognition of the true Christ uh the king Christ as king over them just as individual persons do. So you know this is a very uh again modernist conception to say we need to sustain and build pluralistic societies.

[00:28:15]How can you have Esquire uh a peaceful society that's pluralistic in principle if Christ is not who is the prince of peace at the head of it?

[00:28:24]Well, well, I don't think you can. Um, so yeah, I don't think that was any accident that that reference to dignitas human was in there. Um, and yes, you're right. I mean, he was including it in that context to talk about the importance of pluralism and diversity.

[00:28:43]Um, because remember going back to the Tower of Babel analogy, he said, well, everybody was speaking the same language and that and that offended God. That was my >> actually the whole point of Pentecost was that everybody now can understand each other and speak the same language again. But >> yeah, >> um this is uh this is part of the just the complete inversion and breakdown of what we understand to be as Catholics.

[00:29:07]Um I think that and I could touch on this later before we conclude as well. I think I think the SSPX and Archbishop Lev were very much in his mind as as part of this document. This is just another example. I there was really no reason to bring that in. I I don't think to even talk about dignitarized human, especially if the focus was supposed to be on AI and transhumanism and stuff like that. It why are we talking about that? Um but you see throughout the document little jabs here and there that I that seem to be subtle hits against uh Lefab and the SSPX and this was one of them. So >> what were some of the other ones that you saw? I didn't >> Yeah. Um, one of the other ones was at the very end when we talked about the blessed virgin Mary and finally brought blessed virgin Mary into the discussion and then referred to her as the poet and prophetess of redemption. I'm like, that's very interesting you use that since we just had this whole dispute over uh Cardinal Fernandez's uh uh uh refusal to accept this notion of Mary as a co-redemptric, >> right?

[00:30:12]>> Just little things like that. Um and then of course the whole first uh third of the document was dedicated to defending Vatican 2 and trying to establish its continuity with what came before it. So there was that.

[00:30:23]>> Yeah. Um to the point of language, I mean my understanding actually is that uh mankind had up until that point spoken the same divine language that that that God infused into Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. So like until that point they they all actually did speak that that divine language. And some say it's Hebrew, but um it's a fascinating moment in church and world history when God, you know, punishes them. And that that lack of unity is a result of that. And what does Vatican 2 do? It says, "Get rid of the Latin. Go embrace the vernacular." You know, do everything in the native tongue. To me, it's it's the exact they're projecting to to an extent.

[00:31:01]>> Uh but uh radical Fideli Rian, um do you have any last thoughts for us? We want a couple more minutes here. your sort of take away and reaction so far from >> trying to connect there with what is said well what you guys have been discussing about pluralistic societies and religious freedom and that for me another very telling moment in this um encyclical was when he doubled down on his little claim that we don't have the fullness of truth I mean that should make a Catholic run into the woods screaming in in anger and madness um surely he knows the the the the the um controversy that statement caused the first time he made it and now he went and put it in an encyclical. That for me is like you he's he's um hanging his colors to the mast as they say and he's telling us I'm not backing down on this.

[00:31:51]We do not have to and I mean isn't that one of the great attractions for me as a convert that was convert that was one of the greatest attractions about coming into the Catholic faith was having that piece of this is the fullness of of God revealed. Um, what a beautiful thing.

[00:32:07]And I still believe it is that it's just sad that this man is chipping away, chipping away, chipping away at this beautiful gift God has given us. Yeah.

[00:32:15]So, my final thoughts about the document is um sadly that the world sees this now as Catholicism. The world loves this document. They're going to love this document um because this church is the friend of the world and an enemy of God.

[00:32:31]So, yeah, I denounce this document. I do not regard it as a Catholic document.

[00:32:35]And that's my final word on it.

[00:32:38]>> Esquire, last word here.

[00:32:39]>> Yeah, I think uh I expect that you're going to see a lot of Catholic and trad defending this document. They're going to go through and pick out a few things here and there that they say is really Orthodox Catholicism. Small O. Um uh but in reality, they're going to be missing, you know, missing the forest for the trees here. I mean the big issues we talked about the changing the accept what Rian just talked about this doubling down on this notion that the truth is not entirely with the Catholic Church uh changing doctrine on just war doctrine um uh these these things um and then of course the dignity right this this insistence on on canonizing uh man's dignity and making it as part of the doctrine uh these are the big issues I think that are coming out of this document you're not going hear about that from most of the mainstream Catholic and trad. So, that's one of the great things about what you're doing, Stephen, here at Integrity is is we're going to be talking about the real issues and what's really going on here um and and get to the root of root of the issues that people need to know about.

[00:33:45]>> Very well said. Yeah, I think it's a little curious as to why we haven't had much had much reaction so far. No, I understand it's a long document, but you know, those who were saying what this document would be doing and saying, you know, just a couple days ago and we all knew it was coming. Uh what's taking so long? You know, it sort of makes you think. But anyway, we move on. Uh thank you gentlemen for today's show. This is excellent analysis. Thank you so much for turning it all around really quick.

[00:34:08]And um we uh thank you at Integrity Magazine. Rihanna, thank you for your article. And Esquire, thank you for coming on today. And keep up keep up the tweeting if that was an enjoyable experience for you reading that thing.

[00:34:19]It wasn't, but I will keep doing it anyway.

[00:34:21]>> That's right. We need it. Crusaders for the count revolution. So, thank you today for everybody for tuning in uh to this special episode at Integrity Magazine, home of the Catholic Counterrevolutionary Movement. Thank you and God bless.