Michael Jackson … innocent or guilty? | xQc Reacts

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[00:00:01]>> Was Michael Jackson guilty of crimes against children? For a long time, it was the biggest story in America.

[00:00:07]Multiple investigations, law. But first, let me go through a bit of the biases I brought into this video and how surprisingly difficult it was to put together. I was curious about where you all stood on this. So, I put up a poll in the YouTube post tab and 13,000 of you voted. For those of you with an opinion on his guilt, 56% thought he was guilty and 44% thought he was innocent.

[00:00:24]And most people were undecided with exactly half of you saying people are racist. They have no idea. That's pretty much where my head was when I started digging.

[00:00:32]>> I'd obviously been aware of the case for decades and with a gun in my head, I would have said it was probably guilty.

[00:00:36]But with a massive I don't know asterisk. The fascinating thing about this case, how ridiculously complex it was research. It's the only topics I've actually changed my mind several times while putting it together. I mean, you think it'd be straightforward. There was a public trial transcripts. But part of the issue is there's almost too much information. This video could have run for hours. But the biggest problem is that virtually every person involved had a motivation to lie. Jackson to protect his reputation and stay out of prison.

[00:00:59]Families looking at multi-million dollar payouts, lawyers, investigators, and a media obsessed with a controversy at all costs. Even after it was over, we still get contradictory interviews, change stories, books, websites, everyone's presenting a different reality. And and even the true facts of the case can lead reasonable people to opposite conclusions. But there are two things everyone agrees on. One, he was massively successful. And two, he was weird as hell. So for those of you who Jackson wasn't just famous, he was literally >> if if if it went if it went not guilty criminally, right? Why didn't he just go civil? The the burden of proof is way less and he could still get a payout and he like I'm confused.

[00:01:30]>> A global phenomenon who transcended music, race, culture. He was a star when he was six years old, outshining his big brothers in the Jackson 5. In the 80s, 90s, and beyond, he was, no exaggeration, the biggest entertainer on the planet, and no one else was close.

[00:01:46]>> Thriller is still the bestselling album of all time with 122 million copies worldwide. His dancing style was groundbreaking. When he would appear in public at at an event or even just shopping, pandemonium would often break out. He was huge. And as I mentioned, he was also bizarre. Jackson's eccentricities went far beyond typical celebrity quirks. He was next level strange. Take his appearance. Jackson underwent multiple plastic surgeries that transformed his face into something almost unrecognizable from his childhood. He bleached his skin. He did WEIRD THINGS.

[00:02:21]>> WHOA. WHOA. YO. OKAY. the this this YouTuber is being weird. Yo, he wait he had a skin condition that that that was changing his skin and I think he that just speeds up the process or or or right like >> with his nose and transformed his look into a different person. In public he'd wear surgical masks or disguises that made him look more like a patient than a performer. His clothes were always quirky, militarystyle jackets covered in metals, his signature sequin glove, and then there were his animals. Bubbles the chimpanzee who he treated like a close friend. The chimp traveled with Jackson attending formal tea parties and ate meals dressed as a human. I mean, Bubbles had his own bedroom at Neverland and they say he could even use the toilet and eat with utensils. A record >> I I had to say this [ __ ] because I love animals. Okay, I think this this is always wrong, but I think this is a moment in time where there's like people, oh yeah, this is cute. Nobody gives a [ __ ] like like even even the terms of like uh like I'm well I'm I'm just I'm just I'm just saying it. You need to contextualize this at the time with the act at the time. You need to you need to put both components correct.

[00:03:26]Otherwise, guys like to in today's world you have a monkey. Yeah, it's kind it's people will consider abuse and it didn't make sense for because a lot a lot of a lot of a lot of things that we know now and people know by the time this not a big issue. Queen's Freddy Mercury even blew apart when Jackson insisted on bringing his pet llama Louis into the studio.

[00:03:47]Jackson appeared to have it all, but he spoke publicly about the physical and emotional abuse from his father. He also discussed his own loneliness and isolation, even filling his bedroom with life-sized mannequins, talking to them like surrogate friends. I mean, that's bizarre, but you can see a pattern of somebody needing connection in his life with people who just see him only as a famous person. I'm not going to make those assumptions. I'm just going to watch a video.

[00:04:11]>> And deep relationships with adults seem practically non-existent, especially romantic ones. Despite being one of the most famous men on the planet, he had no serious adult romantic partnership that anyone could ever point to. And his brief marriages, well, they raised more questions than they answered. His first marriage to Lisa Marie Preszley lasted less than two years and was widely viewed as a publicity stunt. So >> she said their relationship was mostly phone-based. His second marriage to Debbie Row, his dermatologist nurse, was even stranger. Row essentially served as a surrogate mother for his children. She never lived with him and she gave him full custody of the kids who were raised by his Neverland staff. In court testimony, staff members said they'd never seen him spend the night with an adult in his bedroom. Which brings us to that bedroom in Neverland, >> a 2700 acre ranch, essentially a symbol of a rusted development. He built it as a childlike playground with carnival rides, a railroad, a zoo, even a working fire station. It was his home, and it was also a magnet for young boys.

[00:05:12]Jackson publicly embraced the >> It's not critical information. It's information that that is all one-sided.

[00:05:19]If you're if you're going to make those assumptions, you need to at least look at the other side of the coin of what it could possibly be and give some form of other argument for what it could be that isn't incriminating. Because otherwise it's if he all in on one side, well, what is it going to look like? Is it like when when it's time to do the main topic of the video, main accusation?

[00:05:38]Well, it flips one side like this. Like if you're going to say, yeah, guys, if you're if you're going to say make your own make your own conclusions, whatever, and you only give me one side. I mean, what side do you think I'm going to flip on when it coin flips? Like, come on, bro.

[00:05:52]>> Peter Pan fantasy, saying he was the boy who never grew up. He surrounded himself with children, almost exclusively boys, between the ages of seven and 14. He wrote handwritten notes to them, gave them pet names, and he showered them with gifts and attention. Now, was that generosity or was it grooming? Because the world would soon learn about Neverland, starting with the sleepovers.

[00:06:14]Jackson regularly had the boys sleep the night at Neverland in his bedroom, sometimes even sharing his bed. Now, he claimed it was all innocent, just sleeping together like a big slumber party. But it was a big step beyond, you know, having a merrygoround in his front yard. People saw that he was childlike, but that didn't necessarily mean that he was asexual. Jackson had even installed an alarm system that would alert him when anyone approached the bedroom. Now, wherever you come down on the criminal allegations, to the average person, his lifestyle was beyond weird, it was troubling. a 35-year-old megastar writing gushy notes to fifth graders, sleeping with them for weeks at a time in a bedroom with an early warning system. In the shadow of that behavior, the allegations that would follow really don't seem all that surprising. And it all started when Jackson's car broke down on Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. In May of 1992, Michael Jackson needed a car. And the owner of the rental shop offered him a deal. He'd give him a car for free if Michael would just call his stepson, who was a big fan. Jackson said yes and got the phone number of a 12-year-old boy, Jordan Chandler. They became phone friends.

[00:07:20]Again, bizarre. And Michael soon invited Jordy and his mom and sister to Neverland Ranch. By early night, >> chat, even in a case like this, right? I I I think it's important to get the case details and actually know what it what it's like from the actual case files.

[00:07:35]Like, is it Oh, is it a phone? Is it a phone friend or is it a oh yo um my oh by the way my my son or nephew wants a word of encouragement uh he has a test on Friday whatever and he's more friend with the family and then and he just has a few words with the kid like we don't know what that looks like >> 1993 they were staying there >> I think that's that's it Vegas Paris Morocco all first class according to the Chandlers Michael and Jordy would often sleep in the same room together during these trips and even at the Chandler 's home with the mom always present. One person who wasn't present, though was Evan Chamber, Jord's father, who didn't have much of a presence in Jord's life.

[00:08:16]He was a Beverly Hills dentist with screenwriting ambitions and a bad relationship with his ex-wife. He didn't go to the police, though. He went to lawyers. He floated ideas like filing for full custody or getting a restraining order against Jackson. But soon, it became about money, and he was playing hard ball. This man is going to be humiliated beyond belief. I will not believe that he will not believe what's going to happen to him and beyond beyond his worst nightmares.

[00:08:44]One more >> later in the transcript of that recording, the one that I'm reasonably sure is accurate. When Chandler is asked if he thinks Jackson is having sex with his son, Chandler responds, quote, "I don't know. I have no idea." Pressed on that, he gives vague statements like, "I know Michael's bad for him." and he said his lawyers told him to be quiet about specifics. Much of the discussion on that tape is about how Chandler can get back at his ex-wife, Jord's mom. Then Evan Chandler said a month after that tape recording, his son told him the truth, but he did it under sedation.

[00:09:18]>> Chandler, again, a dentist, claims he extracted a tooth from Jordy and under serious anesthesia, Jordy admitted that Jackson had molested him. And not for nothing, scientists say that drug can actually contribute to creating false memories. In any event, the father now demanded $20 million from Jackson to keep quiet. Jackson's attorneys reportedly counted up to a million, but there was no deal. So Chandler then arranged for his son to meet with a psychiatrist.

[00:09:43]>> Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

[00:09:45]>> But there was no from Jackson to keep quiet. Jackson's attorneys reportedly countered up to a million, but there was no deal. So Chandler then arranged for his son to meet with a psychiatrist. And during that session, Jordy described in detail what he said had happened.

[00:10:00]Kissing, masturbation, oral sex.

[00:10:02]California law requires accusations like that to be reported to the police. And the next day, the Los Angeles Police Department opened a criminal investigation. On August 24th, the charges went worldwide and the press coverage was massive. Police interviewed Jordy and they searched multiple Jackson properties. They interviewed dozens of kids as well, some of whom said they had slept in bed with Jackson, but that nothing sexual had ever happened. The next month, the Chandlers filed their $30 million lawsuit. Now, up until this time, besides the Chandler accusations, there really weren't many reasons to believe, >> oh, they let the criminal case stack and have all the stuff to discovery and [ __ ] and and all the all the overwhelming stuff that wouldn't wouldn't make him guilty. be not probably be not guilty but would use that after the fact for the civil lawsuit and then get money because it's not the same burden of proof >> believe that Jackson was guilty although the whole my kid started talking under anesthesia angle wasn't known until later but two people would quickly change a lot of minds and the first one was Jackson's own sister Latoya >> I must tell you that this is very difficult for me that Michael is my brother I love him a great deal but I cannot and I will not be a silent collaborator of his crimes against small >> in sorry right sorry it sorry it's let's go back and the first one was Jackson's own sister Latoya >> I must tell you that this is very difficult for me that Michael is my brother I love him a great deal but I cannot and I will not be a silent I can see the camera. It's just funny because all the memes Jackson's own sister because of the memes. This is funny.

[00:11:53]>> This is very difficult for me >> that Michael is my brother. I love him a great deal. But I cannot and I will not be a silent collaborator of his crimes against small innocent children. Now you stop and you think for one second and you tell me what 35 year old man is going to take a little boy and stay with him for 30 days.

[00:12:16]>> Some context on this though. In other interviews shortly before that one, Latoya said that she stood by Michael 1,000%. And that there was nothing unusual about his relationships with the children. She also said that she had proof of his behavior and offered to sell it to tabloids for a half million dollars. What?

[00:12:32]>> But that fell through when she didn't come up with any proof. Years later.

[00:12:35]>> Okay. Okay. And now I'm seeing a picture being drawn. See, chat, you need to read between the lines. If she's doing this [ __ ] very very crazy [ __ ] for half a mill when when her brother is a [ __ ] bazillionaire, right? Clearly, she's cut off. Clearly she's not getting [ __ ] from him, right? And she's by herself, right? So there there there are signs that she wants to get back at him.

[00:12:57]And and you know what I mean?

[00:12:59]>> There's some animosity here that is a motivator.

[00:13:02]>> Come up with any proof. Years later, Latoya said she made it up because her physically abusive husband forced her to. So, YOU DECIDE >> WHAT?

[00:13:10]>> WHAT?

[00:13:11]>> THE other person who increased belief in Jackson's guilt was Jason Francia, a 13-year-old son of Michael Jackson's former maid. Police had already interviewed Jason, who, like the other boys, said nothing had happened. But in a later interview, he changed his story, saying Jackson had tickled him and touched his genitals multiple times, sometimes for up to a few minutes, and stuffed $100 bills in his pants.

[00:13:33]>> He would repeat that allegation under oath 12 years later, where some inconsistencies in his story would come out, though. The next month, police strip searched Jackson and photographed his genitals because Jordy Chandler had described spots on Jackson's penis.

[00:13:46]>> Hold on.

[00:13:47]>> Now, to this day, people argue over whether that description was accurate or not. And to be honest, I just don't know enough to where to come down on that one.

[00:13:55]>> The month after that, Jackson bought his way out.

[00:13:58]>> Well, Chad, that that'd be important, though. Well, wait, hold on. I'm I'm going give you as much detail. I mean, we need to know the details, though.

[00:14:04]>> Don't know enough.

[00:14:05]>> Well, I'm not I'm not trying to be weird, chat, but if if if somebody says if somebody says, "Yo, yo, this guy has a two moles on his um on his rim, right?

[00:14:21]How would you know that unless you've seen the rim >> to where to come down on that one? The month after that, Jackson bought his way out. He paid $22 million to the Chandlers and an additional $2 million to Jason Franc and his mother. Was that because Jackson was really guilty or that he wanted to avoid a trial? When I worked in corporate America, I saw payouts for bad behavior and I've seen big payouts just to avoid bad PR.

[00:14:51]>> Yeah. But >> and similarly, I've seen true victims and I've seen people lie their rear ends off to get rich quick.

[00:14:57]>> Okay. But Chad, the other guy was was not rich, I assume, right? Yeah. And he denied 1 mil off the rip though. He he wanted 20 mil. He said, "Yo, one mil, right, as as a whatever." And he denied 1 mil. So he must have made a calculated risk. Oh, he was think was rich.

[00:15:14]not guilty.

[00:15:15]>> I mean, dentist is is good, but I mean, >> so it's a mill. The criminal case against Jackson didn't really progress.

[00:15:21]There's a validity.

[00:15:22]>> Two grand juries had been convened, one in Los Angeles and the other in Santa Barbara where Neverland Ranch is located. They looked at the evidence and decided that at that time they didn't have enough proof to bring an indictment. Now, technically then the case was still open, but a few months later, Jordy told prosecutors he wouldn't testify in court. So, after 19 They are.

[00:15:44]>> Months later, Jordy told prosecutors he wouldn't testify in court.

[00:15:48]>> Why not?

[00:15:50]>> So, after 19 months of digging, the DAs in both counties had no case. In the years that followed, the Chandler family fractured even further. Jordy legally emancipated himself from both parents.

[00:16:02]By the time his mom testified in Jackson's 2005 trial, she said she hadn't spoken to Jordy in more than a decade.

[00:16:09]>> Yeah. Yeah. his his his parents uh uh were running the rack at him. His parents were running the racket at him and they made him say something specific like >> later accused his dad of trying to smash him with a doorbell and his dad Evan closed his dental practice after his payout and a few months after Jackson died shot himself to death in his New Jersey home. So, >> hey, >> and a few months after Jackson died, shot himself to death in his New Jersey home. So, that's no good. Hey, on a totally unrelated note, some of you have wondered why my thumbnails and headlines sometimes change a few times after I publish these videos. I do AB testing on every video to do to be successful here to do to be but it certainly damaged his reputation. He lost Pepsi as a huge sponsor. And while he was still a big star, his spotlight had dimmed. He still debuted number one albums and could still fill stadiums, but he wasn't impacting the culture like he had been.

[00:17:03]And he wanted his reputation back. Enter Martin Basher, a British journalist who'd made his name with big celebrity interviews.

[00:17:11]>> Basher pitched Living with Michael Jackson, an intimate look at the real Michael Jackson that would rehabilitate his image and show the world who he really was behind the tabloid headlines.

[00:17:21]Jackson agreed and gave Basher unprecedented access over eight months.

[00:17:26]Big mistake.

[00:17:27]>> The final documentary showed Jackson as an eccentric, isolated, and deeply, some would say bizarrely childlike person. It focused heavily on his bond with 13-year-old cancer survivor Gavin Arviso.

[00:17:39]>> And so it was that we came back to our meeting at Neverland with 12-year-old Gavin.

[00:17:44]>> What?

[00:17:44]>> I'd found this easily the most disturbing moment of the past 8 months.

[00:17:49]>> When Gavin was there, he talked about the fact that he shares your bedroom.

[00:17:52]>> Yes.

[00:17:53]>> Can you understand why people would worry about that?

[00:17:56]>> Okay. Fair question.

[00:17:57]>> Because they're ignorant. But is it really appropriate for a 44 year old man to share a bedroom with a child who is not related to him at all?

[00:18:07]>> That's a beautiful thing.

[00:18:09]>> That's That's not a worrying thing.

[00:18:11]>> Why should they be worrying? Who's the criminal? Who's Who's Jack the Ripper in the room?

[00:18:16]>> This is a guy trying to help heal a child. I'm sleeping in a sleeping bag on the floor. I gave him the bed cuz he has a brother named Star. So him and Star took the bed and I'm on the floor in the sleeping bed.

[00:18:28]>> Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?

[00:18:30]>> No, but I have slept in the bed with many children. I sleep in the bed with all of them.

[00:18:35]>> Okay. Okay, Jack, I have to be honest with you. If the allegation had no validity and there was no problem before, right? And that was all true.

[00:18:42]Like like the guy wasn't actually, right? Why would he make a documentary and then still conduct in some borderline behavior that all the old stuff would now now people that were, oh guys, this is nothing. Now they would be tipping it the other way around though.

[00:18:57]Like why would you even risk that? I don't I I don't understand. It's just dumb.

[00:19:01]>> Cooking were little.

[00:19:02]>> That's just brain dead.

[00:19:03]>> Kieran Kulkin would sleep on this side.

[00:19:05]McCully Cook is on this side. His sister's in there. We're all just jamming the bed.

[00:19:09]>> He looked like a man who couldn't understand appropriate boundaries with children. After a decade since the last allegations, people were asking serious questions again. And some of >> something innocent. Bro, bro. Bro, don't even look at it, bro. It's not guilty.

[00:19:25]>> Those people work for the county where Neverland was located, the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department, child welfare officials, and the same district attorney who had dropped the charges wouldn't testify. Hey, now's a good time to remind you if I made a significant error anywhere, let me know in the comments and I'll pin a correction below. Chad, I just feel like chat this up because yes guys, what if what if I was getting sued for being a serial meth smoker? Okay. And and and said, "Oh, by the way, I live with with XC for a few months and he was smoking meth every day like, okay, okay, okay." And and then and then we and then we go to trial, right? And it ends up that I'm not guilty. Okay, not right. Uh uh uh no meth smoked whatever. And then you go, "Guys, I am not a messmoker. Let's get a guy to film me every day." Oh, the pipe here, the lab there. Oh, wait. The the baggie is there. The scale. Oh, three more pipes. Guys, I keep it because I want to. It's a reminder of the court case. And I I keep the pipes around because, dude, because I like having pipes around. Well, even though even though I I might still be not a not a meth like true, I actually don't smoke meth. Now, the people that were on edge about the whole whatever. Now all they see is is the the [ __ ] all the pipe.

[00:20:42]They go, you know what, dude? Regardless of the trial, I I just think guilty now.

[00:20:46]I just think anything this this guy like, you know what I mean? Like, and that that's just human nature though.

[00:20:53]Like >> I also have all my in the description box. Okay, so police quickly interviewed Governor who said >> nothing inappropriate happened, but the investigation >> if everybody said I smoked meth every day like a maniac and then I went to court and said no and every on stream I had a bunch of pipe laying around and baggies would go, "Yo, dude, like [ __ ] off. You're a meth smoker. Like we don't give a shit." You would you would you WOULD GO, "HE DOESN'T SMOKE METH. HE JUST LOVES THE PIPES. HE LOVES THE PIPES." COME ON, MAN. REALLY? The next few months, Michael's relationship with the Arzo family changed. According to testimony from ranch employees, the Arzo family became a problem. The kids became unruly, damaging property, and were eventually asked to leave Neverland. And then their stories changed.

[00:21:40]>> What?

[00:21:40]>> Within months, the family had gone from uniformly praising him to saying Jackson started molesting Gavin shortly after the documentary. Deputies then raided Neverland Ranch with over 70 officers.

[00:21:51]They grabbed computers, photographs, and books. They never found any child pornography, which has been wrongly reported, but they did find some like kind of standard pornography magazines, some of which had the kid's fingerprints on them. In any event, they arrested Jackson and filed 10 felony charges against >> Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:22:10]>> They did find some like kind of standard pornography magazines, some of which had the kid's fingerprints on them. In any event, they arrested Jackson and filed 10 felony charges against him, ranging from lewd acts with a child to abduction and extortion. The trial was a circus.

[00:22:25]Hundreds of fans and media outlets outside the courthouse, wall-to-wall television coverage, Jackson impersonators, helicopters hovering, testimony from Jay Leno and Macau Kulkin who said Jackson never did anything inappropriate in front of him. Gavin Arviso and his brother Star testified that Jackson showed them porn, gave them wine he called Jesus juice, speaking graphically, and acting ledly. There were 140 witnesses, mostly for the defense. Now, there were some staff members who corroborated somewhat creepy Jackson behavior, but no independent witness directly corroborated the Arzo family's allegations. Instead, the defense did a good job of portraying the Arzo family as essentially grifters. The mom had already pulled off a successful and fake lawsuit against J. C. Penney, a department store.

[00:23:13]>> False imprisonment, battery, emotional distress. Uh, >> she claimed that mall security guards beat her and groped her. She won $152,000, but later admitted under oath that her injuries had come from HER HUSBAND INSTEAD.

[00:23:27]>> WHAT? YO, CHAD, why does every accuser in this video every the the the three accusers had some [ __ ] [ __ ] mega cope like scamming racket [ __ ] ass [ __ ] >> She also admitted coaching her children to lie on the STAND IN THAT CASE and would later be convicted for welfare fraud and perjury related to it. The defense proved that the family had lied about their finances to get charity. And while the Arviso family claimed that Jackson's people held them captive at Neverland, they were seen unescorted at restaurants and on shopping spree.

[00:24:00]>> Okay. Okay. My my general feeling, chat, the guy does some weird [ __ ] right? The guy and some things that are that are that are irresolutely irresponsible and deliberately negligent, right? But based on on on those things and and all the other things, I don't think guilty to things that that are the the really horrenous one. still weird and bad still still like what is wrong with you right but none of the big heavy hitter stuff which is like a weird it's not even a line you want to be on but that's a line that he's on I guess in my head >> during that time multiple timelines didn't add up and they are viso kids gave different about key events and to believe their stories don't trust me that Jackson hadn't touched Gavin in the three years before the Basher documentary but started abusing him >> I just in my eyes if you're not gray line imagining you're you're you're p you're too are defendants.

[00:24:51]>> About a month later, right in the midst of multiple government investigations, the jury didn't buy it. On June 14th, they found Jackson not guilty on every count. He never lived at Neverland again, saying that the 2003 raid had stripped it of its home status. He spent most of the next four years in Bahrain and Ireland, then returned to Los Angeles.

[00:25:13]spent most of the next four years in Bahrain and Ireland, then returned to >> chat. Chad, for for how dated this is, chat, that that looks pretty like it looks like a like a old modern. Really?

[00:25:26]That's [ __ ] nice. That was probably way ahead of its time when it was built.

[00:25:29]Like when this was built, that was probably [ __ ] insane. Los Angeles.

[00:25:33]Almost exactly four years after being acquitted, Jackson died of cardiac arrest at age 50 with a cocktail of prescription drugs in the system, including propyl powerful surgical anesthetic that his personal doctor had given him for sleep. That doctor was on site.

[00:25:48]>> Yo yo >> yo, >> with a cocktail of prescription drugs in the system, including propall, a powerful >> Wait, propall? Really? surgical anesthetic that his personal doctor had given him for sleep. That doctor was on site and later served two years in prison for malpractice. Then >> probably >> even in death, Jackson got no peace. I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time on the post-death accusations.

[00:26:12]>> Yeah, he must have been really unable to sleep and I'm just plausible deniability. was like so unable to sleep and so desperate they probably asked for something for a sedative to sleep like like an actress sedative >> against Michael Jackson because while they're easily the most horrific they're also the very hardest to judge in 2019 the HBO documentary Leaving Neverland reignited the whole it featured four hours of two men Wade Robson and James Safecheck detailing graphic sexual abuse >> yo >> the film was well made super emotional and it convinced a whole lot of people that Jackson molested these men.

[00:26:48]>> It got a standing ovation at the Sundance Festival and critics loved it.

[00:26:52]It aired during the height of the Me Too movement when believe All Survivors was the prevailing attitude.

[00:26:58]>> Anyone the film festival, dude, [ __ ] this chat. Why do they always do [ __ ] like that? Like that's what that's why I hate humans in general. Why do they always have to do it that way? Why can't we just [ __ ] do some [ __ ] that's that that's that's going to hit hard? because it is hard like as like the truth and it just so be it whether it does something or like why is always some >> oh wa the BIG SPOTLIGHT LIKE [ __ ] YOU GUYS AT THAT POINT I'm not listening anymore >> question the accusers were labeled Jackson fanboys gave them a full hour questions and emotional support but over my life I've learned that documentaries are the easiest way to manipulate people you essentially own a person's brain for hours controlling what they see and hear and if you do it right their emotions Leaving Neverland did just that. And whether it was true or false, it was completely one-sided. I mean, no one questioned their claims or presented any contradictory evidence. No one cross-examined their stories at all.

[00:27:54]>> See, this is why those documentaries can suck it. Like, like they they don't even try to look. Yo, how about we get one witness? Yo, we have six witnesses of yes. How about one witness of no and just see just to see what it's like to see maybe even they have one piece of evidence or information that's that's that's against and maybe we explore that. Nope.

[00:28:16][ __ ] it.

[00:28:16]>> Wade Robson had been one of Jackson's most loyal defenders for over two decades. As a 22-year-old man, he testified under oath at Jackson's criminal trial, swearing that Jackson had never touched him inappropriately.

[00:28:28]Then life changed. Robson was struggling financially and professionally. And at age 30, he filed a lawsuit against the Jackson estate, saying that he had been molested for years and that the business entities should have protected him from Jackson because you can't sue individuals after they're dead. Safe check story followed a similar pattern.

[00:28:46]He also defended Jackson for years, even after the singer's death, and after Robson's case started getting media attention, filed a lawsuit of his own.

[00:28:54]Even without a cross- examination, their stories have had some >> if somebody could stream me chat after I'm dead with this [ __ ] buddy.

[00:29:01]Buddy, before I die, I'm I'm putting everything on one singular spin. And even if if it if it loses, I'll give a [ __ ] If it wins, it all goes to some cherry or taxes or some [ __ ] [ __ ] Like that's just it. Imagine like having all your loved ones stuck in lawsuits against bunch of randoms and it's just weird. It's just weird.

[00:29:18]>> Safe Chuck claimed that Jackson abused him in a train station at Neverland that wasn't built until 2 years later. But again, the documentary was powerful, emotional, and effective. I mean, Jackson's music got pulled from the airwaves. The problem with the >> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That wasn't built until two years later. But again, the documentary was powerful, emotional, and effective. I mean, Jackson's music.

[00:29:42]>> What the [ __ ] What got pulled from the airwaves? The problem with the Robson and Safechucks allegations isn't just their credibility. It's that they've never been properly challenged. They've essentially been presented by legal documents, a carefully controlled documentary, and supportive interviewers who treated them like confirmed victims.

[00:30:02]Right.

[00:30:03]>> Exactly. What the [ __ ] Ch. Is this true? Ch. Is he lying? Is it true? They never been challenged at all >> than accusers making claims. In any event, both men still have outstanding legal cases against Jackson in California since the state extended the statute of limitations for child sexual abuse claims. So, there's more to come on that. What >> um it says there's a limitation which I think could retroactively remove extend and it's it's malleable in in for the past as well.

[00:30:31]>> When I started producing this piece I had doubts but as I said I I thought Michael Jackson was guilty.

[00:30:36]>> I mean that's fair enough.

[00:30:37]>> I can't say that anymore. I mean I'm not confident he's innocent but it seems the most likely scenario to me. the accusers look like people shaking down >> even even in a in a case where he uh uh where he was innocent which I I believe he's not not guilty on some of the balance he really didn't help himself on on how it looks and how to get the people on his side if that were the truth and that's what he wanted to portray it's almost like it's almost like it almost feels like he was trying to taunt the public like oh yeah I didn't I didn't I didn't do that so bad that I can do all of this and it's all fine come on man I >> a weird rich guy for millions. And the parents, >> whether Jackson was innocent or not, they they pretty much all deserve jail time. And it's also hard to get past the notion that a whole lot of kids testified that Jackson was actually the childlike man he portrayed himself to be. I mean, it's possible they were abused, too, and encouraged to lie by Jackson's team and have kept their silence ever since. Chad, the most important thing in those and I know I don't want to be weird, but is finding somebody that has no incentives that just that just says the truth. Somebody that will either sue or somebody that's going to with no money like somebody that that that will testify in a criminal trial that has no incentives because incent you can kind of guide.

[00:31:56]You can kind of know what's going on based off of incentives.

[00:31:59]>> That just doesn't seem likely. And finally, there's never been one victim come out against Jackson who wasn't seeking money whose story was consistent and credible.

[00:32:08]>> It seems like there would be over time.

[00:32:10]>> Now, look, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't let the guy babysit my kids.

[00:32:14]>> I mean, Peter Pan or not, >> he wasn't a child.

[00:32:17]>> You know what?

[00:32:17]>> At best, >> I say this guy was a [ __ ] ass at the beginning of the video, okay?

[00:32:21]>> I think he was setting up the video to be to have a catharsis of like, oh, it's going to look like this, but I'm going to flip it around. But I think he he makes a decent >> grown manis based on the what >> fame and money allowed him to act in wildly inappropriate ways and that's messed up in its own.

[00:32:36]>> He got me. Okay, he got me.

[00:32:38]>> Now that you're possibly convinced that I'm not a nut job, you may want to check out this other video I produced that kind of makes me look like one.

[00:32:44]>> Oh, does Barack Obama's official White House portrait have a hidden sperm painted ONTO HIS FACE?

[00:32:50]>> WHAT? I MEAN, YES, I know it sounds crazy, but I can guarantee that in just five minutes, you won't think that.