The Algerian War (1954-1962) between France and the National Liberation Front (FLN) became a foundational model for modern anti-colonial movements, particularly through Frantz Fanon's writings in 'The Wretched of the Earth.' This conflict, where the FLN used terrorism to achieve independence despite French military victories, established a template that influenced the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and subsequent revolutionary movements. The ideological framework of the 'Green-Red Alliance'—combining Shia Islamic theology with communist ideology—has been exported throughout the Middle East, shaping movements like Hamas and Iran's revolutionary government. This historical pattern demonstrates how revolutionary violence can become institutionalized and exported across different contexts, raising important questions about how political movements adopt and adapt historical models of struggle.
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That's not my normal intro music. That's Superman. Of course, John Andrazic singing, but playing the piano is a very special guest of John from a very special video that I put in my timeline as did millions of others over the last week. Alain. Uh John Andrazi joins me live from California. John, tell people about what they're seeing if they're watching the Salem News Channel, what they're hearing about Alain, about how that all came together because uh a lot of people, as Ed Morris said, had a lot of dust in the air when they saw that.
>> Well, Hugh, nice to be with you as always. Uh what they're seeing is a true miracle. Um many of many know that we made a video for Alone O and the Hostages with a new version of Superman about a year ago. And our hope and prayer was that one day I would sit down at the piano and sing Superman with Alone, who was a fantastic piano player.
But I don't think any of us, if we were honest, thought that day would ever happen. But it did. It happened. He came to the United States. He walked out of the elevator. I had a spiritual moment um just giving a hug that would never end. And we performed Superman at the Apac conference. And um thank God for the president, Marco Rubio, and everyone who made it happen. It was a true miracle, Hugh. And um I tear up just watching it now.
>> Well, it gives me a little shout out shout out here watching it and I think to myself, you were at the yellow piano in Hostage Square. Then the yellow p I don't know if it was Alone's or or whether it was dedicated to him. What was the story on the piano, John?
>> That is Alone's piano. And when I was in Hostage Square, I didn't realize that his family put it there and people would just come play it. And uh I played it when I was there. I played Superman that night at Hostage Square when I ran bombed. And as soon as I kind of found that out, when his mother reached out to me to do this project, um it took on another meaning. And again, just um it it's just an example of good triumphant over evil. And I hope I hope you people that see it um understand that this is a recognition of everybody who stood up for the hostages, including Yu, including Dwayne, everybody who would not let their plight fade away. It is a victory for us and and I hope everyone can see it and take joy in it like I do.
>> I think it's going to inspire a lot of people who are in tough places because your your tough place is not a Hamas torture tunnel. your tough place is not really being no objective reason to hope. I don't know if you had a chance to talk to Alan either before, after since or in the future if it's planned.
That performance of his was Yeah, that's pretty highwire stuff. And he carried it off. He played it. By the way, you hit every note. That's he said, "Wow, John's not losing a thing here in this performance." How was that high pressure for both of you?
Well, I'll tell you, you know, spending a day with him rehearsing and his family, um, he is in amazing mental shape. He is very humble, but he is very strong. And, uh, I kept finding myself going over and touching him, just putting my hand on his back just cuz I I couldn't believe he was there. And you know, I have to say, um, if you can survive 700 days in a torture tunnel, playing a gig for a few folks for Apac was nothing no problem for him. He had the poise. He he was speaking to everybody. And we didn't talk a lot about his experience, but one interesting thing uh he said when when they took some of the other hostages uh away from him, they asked him if he wanted someone else to stay with him and he said no. And I asked him why and he said because I would get more food. That just showed how brutal situation was.
And a kind of fun highlight after we performed, we went to a deli um in DC and and we were talking. And I said, "You know, what did you miss the most?"
He goes, "You know what I always thought about was a chocolate shake with Bailey's, a chocolate shake with Bailey's." And I ran basically the deli was closing, but I said, "Whatever you got to do, you know, I'll pay whatever.
I needed a chocolate shake with Bailey's right now." And they brought it out and I have a picture of Alone drinking his chocolate with Bailey's. And uh again, it was just it was just truly wonderful.
Now, if the Grammys were not politically broken and if there was the appropriate category, I would start a campaign to nominate that video for performance that inspires. But I don't think they have that category. And I don't think the Grammy voters are uh are able to see how evil Hamas is or how great Alain is for resilience, endurance, and art. Uh am I wrong about that? Is there there any hope for the Grammy voting electorate?
>> Well, actually, when we put out the okay, we're not okay song, I was reached out to by some folks in the music industry who sent it uh to Nerys and said this this song should be played uh at the Grammys and of course it was rejected. There are folks in the music industry who understand and frankly many of them have reached out to me since this Olo video came out with tears in their eyes. But unfortunately they are consumed with the wokeism um that is kind of you know infecting our youth and and the cowardice um that many who understand what we're doing and understand Israel the good guy is the good guy uh are suffering from.
So again this transcends music. It transcends the the music business. And I'm just glad we have these counter salvos to the incredible anti-semitism we're seeing from many musical acts. you know, and I think for our Jewish friends that this video gave them a shot in the arm, especially after the New York Times, um, and Kristoff's abomination.
Uh, I wanted to put this out a little later, but as soon as I saw that abomination, I'm like, we're putting this out now because we need to counter that disgusting article that, um, that the New York Times published.
>> Well, it was well done. It was well timed. It has gone everywhere. and I will re-up it in the course of the show to make sure that everyone can find it easily on my ex account or just go to John Andrazik or five for fighting and you will find the video with Alain and John singing Superman. He got a good voice. Does he have a musical career plan? John, do you know what he plans to do? Yes, he actually had a very nice career going in Israel. Uh he's a classical piano pianist, but he plays many other um genres. So, he has a ton of gigs. And don't be uh shocked if uh on US 250 July 4th. You might see another rendition of Superman with Alone and John. So, we're hoping that >> that would be that would that's something to mark that on the calendar.
John Andrazik, always good to see you, my friend. I'll see you this summer when you're on tour and I look forward to seeing the July 4th uh second miracle happen. That first video is its own miracle. Thank you, John.
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It's very touching. Have you seen that video yet?
>> Yes. He texted that to me just a couple of days ago and wow. Um I cry every No kidding. And maybe I'm supposed to be a hard-nosed politician, but I think especially when it comes to the hostages and the work that John Andrazi has done, as well as so many different Americans and the various groups helping these hostages, the hostage families. But to to see this culminate in such a beautiful rendition of Superman, it just it really did bring tears to my eyes.
>> Well, it was fun having John on and tell people. I've reposted it at my website if any on my exac account if anyone wants to see it. Senator, you've been involved in two high-profile hearings. I watched all of the Erdman hearing yesterday and I had mixed mixed reviews of that. Uh I liked your remarks. I thought Senator Johnson, Senator Holly are appropriately outraged. I thought Senator Moody was right to talk about the free state of Florida, but I was left wondering who changed the report.
We we got the big reveal that between August 12th and August 17th of 2021, someone in the CIA changed their report.
Do we know who changed it yet?
>> Well, exactly. And that's the question that we are left with. And I was on a local radio station, you know, back home in Iowa and we were talking about this and how did it go from one day where the CIA thought it was a lab leak to the very next day changed from, oh, it was naturally occurring. We know that Anthony Fouchy had visited with the intelligence community that was revealed in this oversight hearing, but we don't know exactly who changed the report. And so, while we've uncovered a number of steps to this uh lie that was perpetuated out to the American uh people through the last several years, we still don't know exactly who did it, why they did it. Um, and that's yet to be uncovered. So, we didn't get that answer yesterday.
>> The the the guy I don't suspect is former director uh William Burns. He's about the only competent guy in the Biden administration. He was, but he was abroad most of the time. I just don't know. I I hope you follow up on it, but it certainly framed the question. Today, you had Admiral um Cooper before the armed services. What did you make of his presentation?
>> Right. And Admiral Cooper is one of the most successful what we call flag officers, general or admirals that we have in our United States military force. And he has commanded at all levels and served of course as the vice of central command before he became the combatant commander. Uh so his presentation was very thoughtful. He leaves the policy decisions to those policy makers uh coming out of the administration, but he's very thoughtful on military actions and was able to, I believe, to adequately answer all of the questions that were posed by both Democrats and Republicans. Um, so >> we're playing the film of the rookie on the committee, Ashley Moody, who asked him, you know, were the Iranians engaging? I did not know that they had attacked American troops 350 times prior to in the 30 months prior to our initiation of our forces.
>> They kept attacking and attacking. Do you think Iran wanted this? Did they really want us to attack them?
>> I don't know that they they wanted us to attack them. But for so long they have been attacking Americans, American bases. And of course through the 20 years of the global war on terrorism, we saw United States Americans killed by the very IEDs and uh other explosive devices that were manufactured by the Iranians. Um so this is not news to me.
I'm very glad that uh the admiral fleshed this out in an open hearing. Uh but for those of us that have served in the military and have served on these types of committees, we've known that the Iranians have been coming after Americans for decades now. Um so thanks to the admiral for uncovering that.
>> Uh Senator, during your last two years as a United States senator, you've always been a great proponent of military strength. What are what are your objectives in the last two years?
Is it the NDAA? Is it the appropriations 1.5 trillion? Is it recon? What's number one on Joanie Ern's to-do list before you retire?
>> Uh, when it comes to our military, it is absolutely modernization of the force.
So, I serve as the chair of the subcommittee on emerging threats and capabilities. And this is where a lot of our modernization goes through. Whether it is hypersonic missiles, autonomous vehicles, artificial intelligence, quantum computing, all of that comes through my subcommittee. And this is where we must absolutely stay ahead of our adversaries. So when the president is proposing a $1.5 trillion budget for the Department of Defense, I am supportive of that because we cannot maintain this competitive edge, our military advantage over our adversaries unless we are properly funding these types of advancements. Um, China is nipping at our heels, Hugh, and we must stay ahead of them in this arena or we suffer the consequences.
You know, I spent uh lunch hour with Mike Gallagher, former Congressman Gallagher at the Hudson Institute.
Herman Khan founded it. He believed in superiority, not equality, deterrence by overwhelming force. I do too. I think we still have it. But when you hear Chairman Xi warn us about Taiwan, do you think he's getting overconfident in his ability right after we wrecked Iran, which was defended in part by Chinese systems and components of systems?
>> This is Chinese posturing and President Xi of course is going to do that. But what I will say, as has been demonstrated, whether it was Operation Midnight Hammer, Operation Epic Fury, whether it was our raid and capture of Nicholas Maduro, uh we have demonstrated to the world the the might and the skill of America's fighting force. Uh the Chinese have not been exercised to that level for decades now. Um, so we maintain the edge, but Hugh, we cannot let it slip. We must continue to develop and strengthen our own military.
>> One of your colleagues in the caucus, Susan Collins of Maine, his chair of appropriation, I wouldn't use the word skeptical, but she was probing about that request. Do you think that we have a minute? Do you think the president will get his trillion and a half either via supplemental or reconciliation or just the ordinary appropriations process?
>> Well, I think we have a fair shot at it.
So yes, I I do think it's necessary and this is the message that we have to communicate to all of the members across the US Congress and we must be able to explain where those dollars are going because just remember the flip side of this. I am a a fiscal hawk when it comes to fraud, waste, and abuse within the federal government. There has been a fair share of that at the Department of Defense. So, if we can explain to our taxpayers why we are doing what we're doing with their dollars, then we have a great shot of achieving the president's goal.
>> Senator, it's please keep coming back right up to you across the finish line and in thereafter. Always good to see you. Senator Joanie Erns from Iowa on the Armed Services Committee and Homeland Security. Thank you. Admiral Bradley Cooper is the chairman of SenCon. He is the general in charge or the admiral in charge of the war with Iran and he testified before the Senate Armed Services uh committee today. I mentioned with Senator Erns an exchange he had with Senator Ashley Moody of Florida. I want to play that exchange for you. Cut number 14.
>> How long have you been familiar with um Iran and its leadership and its attacks against the United States? I've studied it or been a part of it for the better part of three decades uh particularly acutely in the last five years.
>> And leading up to February 28th, months prior to that, what what was jarring to you that you saw different than what had been for those many decades that you've been involved? I think it's important to note just in the 30 months before uh epic fury commenced uh Iran and its proxies had been attacking US service members and diplomats about 350 times.
>> Can you repeat that?
>> About every about every third day Iran and its proxies attacked American service members 350 times in the Middle East.
>> I don't think that that Americans were aware of that that in the 30 months that they had attacked Americans or their service members 350 times. Does that surprise you that I would say that that I don't believe the everyday American going to work knew that?
>> Uh it's it's disappointing, but between the actions of uh proxies in Iraq and Syria as well as the Houthi the Houthis, that's that's simply the fact of what happened.
>> Now, I didn't know that and my son worked for Ashley Moody. I didn't know that and I had a a son-in-law on active duty. I did not know that and I've been in the business. So I am very glad that Ashley Moody asked that question but I'm glad he also went on to say this cut number five different senator had asked him a question about how bad is Iran hurt cut number five their capability have been significantly degraded if I just use my own professional experience uh and 100 transits through the straight of Hormuz you would typically see 20 to 40 uh fast boats and and lately we've seen two or three >> them all Admiral Small cut number six he went on to talk about how The war is changing.
>> I'd like to use the opportunity to to myth bust on drones.
>> Okay.
>> The days of $35,000 drones that we saw in the last couple couple of years, particularly in the fight against the Houthis in Yemen, those days are behind us. Today, we face uh an increased threat from drones that are highly sophisticated. They're jet powered. They have high-end uh sensors. They have electronic warfare. They have signals, intelligence. So those days of using highv value defenses to shoot down cheap targets are behind us. Quite the contrary, what we have been doing lately is using our own uh lowcost one-way attack drones uh talking attacking Iran, making them use higherend, more expensive weapons. So I I can confidently tell you we have flipped the cost curve in many ways. Always work to be done. Uh but I like where we are in this regard. I'm always amazed that Democrats want to talk about uh the Iran case against America. Christian Gillibrand, left-winger from New York, did that today with Admiral Cooper. Cut number seven.
>> How did we then bomb 22 schools?
>> There is no indication that we have that that has been corroborated.
>> How many schools have we bombed?
>> There is one active civilian casualty investigation from the 13,629 munitions. So, how do you explain the publicly available information that 22 schools have been hit and multiple hospitals?
>> There's no way that we can corroborate that. No indication of that whatsoever, Senator, >> there's no way you can corroborate or no indication of it. Which one?
>> No indication.
>> Well, the indication is what's publicly available. There is indication. Have you investigated those claims?
>> We have not.
>> Why have you not? If this is a passion of yours, if you believe that ci civilian casualties are not consistent with the law of war and not consistent with human rights obligations that our military regularly follows with great pride and great diligence, why have you not investigated those allegations when they're publicly being made on the cover of the New York Times?
>> I'll be happy to take a look at the each instance to do that.
>> I would like a report from you from your team about whether there have been attacks that have resulted in the destruction of schools and hospitals and if so why and how then last have you managed the 90% cut to the personnel who are supposed to avoid civilian targets >> happy to provide uh any any report and I would invite you and every staff member here to come to Tampa to look at the process uh to see exactly how how it works >> because the right answer is uh we we don't actually spend a lot of time on Iranian propaganda Senator Senator, though you seem to be consuming quite a lot of it. Uh, and we understand that a lot of members of the Senate on your side are cement heads and that we have to break it down and you make Steelers fans look like uh, perfect score SAT people. So, we'll do that. We'll make it large block letters and we'll use pictures for you, Senator, but it's called Iranian propaganda. And just because the New York Times says that there are rape dogs out there doesn't mean rape dogs exist. They have no standards at the New York Times. None.
zero. Uh, if I were the admiral, I might have said, "We're not really going to rely on the New York Times, are we?" And the rape dog, Senator, you really believe the rape dog, but I suppose he didn't get to be the admiral by being sparky with Senator Josh Crushau joins me. He's editorin chief of Jewish Insider. Josh, later in the program, I'll be joined by Aviv Ready Gore, Michael Orin from Israel. I'm trying to get reaction from Israel to the rape dog story, the idiocy of the New York Times, the Kristoff smear. What's your personal reaction to that even making it into print?
>> Yeah, it's pretty shocking, Hugh. I mean, I I I've submitted op-eds that have been published in the New York Times, and let me tell you, it took layers and layers of factchecking and quality control before even a simple political analysis was able to make it into print. uh they they've known at least historically have been known for for having those types of layers of quality control. So to have such a a thinly sourced obscene uh document what you know I know Hugh you've been talking about all the kind of obscenities in the column but one of the things that just stands out to me is that one of the stated sources in the piece is this organization called Eurommed Human Rights Monitor who which is a organization whose founder has clear ties to senior Hamas leaders and they have a long history hugh of retailing all kinds of obscene claims. claims, blood libalist claims against Israel for many, many years. This is not a new organization. It's been well established. So for that organization specifically to be named in the column and to be listed as a source for some of these most extravagant claims uh and not get past fact check, not get past quality control is is something I can't couldn't ever imagine uh at a publication like the New York Times. But I guess um things aren't like they used to be. Uh Hugh, it really is shocking.
>> Uh they're not. Josh, I'm I I'm astonished as well and it's been debunked and that doesn't matter because as Mark Twain famously said, a lie is halfway around the world before truth gets its boots on. So, it's out there.
It's in the ether now and it adds to the anti-semitism that is growing and is a problem. I I will have Aviv Gur on to talk about Hussein Mansour's view that the Democratic party has been captured by the radical left as has been the New York Times and the radical left demands homage to being anti-Israel and it really anti-Semitic. He also uh Hussein Monsour is an Egyptian predicts it will mean the end of the Democratic Party's ability to win national elections cuz it's weird and radical and that's not America. Do you share that optimistic take?
>> Uh well I think in swing districts and swing states and the ability to hold power that may be the case but I just wrote today Hugh about uh four different house races in the forget about the big Senate races. We've talked about the Michigan race, the main race with Graham Platner. Uh there are four House races coming up in the next couple months where the front runner or leading candidate for the nomination is a outand-out DSA member or DSA endorsed candidate. DSA is the Democratic Socialists of America. And these candidates, all you have to do is look at the platform in these different cities and and their national platform.
Uh I mean, it's outright anti-semitic.
It's extreme as as it gets. It's also defund the police. It's also, you know, let's not have any borders. I mean, there are all kinds of very exotic and radical positions. But on the question of anti-semitism in Israel, I mean, I think most of, if you just look at their material, uh, you will find it's objectively anti-semitic. And yet, there's nothing being done in these safe Democratic seats to stop or, you know, check the power of these DSA aligned candidates into higher office. in my, you know, I'm right outside of Washington, Hugh, the leading candidate for mayor of Washington DC, a woman by the name of Janice Lewis George, uh, is is a DSA endorsed candidate uh, against the more moderate businessoriented candidate. But I I don't think we really appreciate how quickly, you know, the this this this fringe has taken over parts of the Democratic party, especially in cities and very deep blue precincts in the country. uh and and it it really is showing itself when it comes to anti-semitism Israel, but it's also true of a whole lot of other issues that are not going to be palatable to your average swing voter.
>> Now, I I've spent a couple of of segments over this week trying to educate people on the Drifus affair because I think the Kristoff column is the American Drifus affair and it's not going to take 10 years to get justice for the people smeared here. It's already been done. But that radical fringe doesn't want justice. They want power and they're going to win those four congressional seats and they might be mayor of DC just like mom Donnie is anti-Semitic and he won in New York.
However, there is a limit in America where all of a sudden the bounceback, the blowback is enormous against Democrats everywhere. How close are we to that limit?
Well, one if you're in a blue state or a blue city, Hugh, it's one party rule.
Look at California. Look, look at New York and the fact that no one really felt they could have a chance at defeating a more moderate, I would say, or more a liberal but more establishment oriented Democrat and Governor Kathy Hokll, Elise Stefonic, uh, looked at that race and ended up not not pursuing it. We are so polarized, Hugh, we're so partisan that, you know, you have one party rule in in blue states and and yes, red states as well. So, there's less the fewer swing districts, there fewer battleground states, and that makes it harder. I mean, yes, these types of ideas are purely toxic in those states, but if you're in a safe enough state or district, all you have to do is win the primary and and that's that's enough. And you know, there are a number of these there's a guy in in the city of Philadelphia. This is a congressional seat in downtown Philadelphia where the leading candidate right now is a guy who uh reposted an item on Instagram thinking that the Bondi Beach terrorist attack that killed 14 Jews in Australia was a false flag perpetrated by Zionists. That that is the next congressman potentially in in Philadelphia. Well, John, my argument is that that's good or I mean it it makes you crazy, but it defines the Democratic Party as the party of crazies. And blue states will we we'll have maps like Massachusetts and Tennessee, all blue and all red. But there are more red states and by a healthy majority, Americans reject hate. I I really do think at 9010 uh 955, I am optimistic that the alarm is sounding now about these crazy people. I But you're Jewish. I'm not. Are you optimistic?
>> I am optimistic when you talk about America at large. I am more pessimistic when it comes to just because of social media and how people get otherwise like someone like Nick Kristoff could fall for the most obscene uh old school anti-semitism and not and not not have any, you know, be so credulous. Uh when people like that are buying some of the worst anti-semitic hate, um that that's what scares me. And and that's happening increasingly in these very deep blue precincts where there's no actual conversation taking place. It's all echo chambers on social media or within your own little precincts. It is a mind virus. Anti-semitism has always been a mind virus. And no one's immune, not even columnists like Nick Kristoff. It does present everyone who works for the New York Times with a moral dilemma because they're pedalling the same sort of hatred that the Nazis pedled. So they have to decide whether or not they want to stay with the paper. Josh Crushau, thank you for being my guest. Follow Josh on exit. Josh Crush Hour. Vice President J. D Vance was stumping for Senator Susan Collins in Maine today. I liked his argument. Cut 15. Now my Now my my friend and former Senate colleague Susan Collins was not able to be here.
Susan is back in DC. She doesn't like to miss votes. And here's the thing I'll say about Susan Collins is sometimes I get frustrated with Susan Collins. I almost wish that she was more partisan, but the thing I love about Susan is she is independent because Maine is an independent state. And frankly, if she was as partisan as I sometimes wish that she was, she would not be a good fit for the people of Maine. So, let's give a shout out to Susan Collins who's doing a great job.
>> So, I just uh you can go to susan Collins.com if you agree with JD Vance.
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To what do you attribute this? Because Nick Kristoff was a moderate man of the left who's now slid into the worst tropes of anti-semitic excess. What happened?
Well, I think that that article was the product of several processes uh that go back and some of them can be traced back to the youth rebellion of the 1960s which took over campuses and educated generation after generation of students particularly in the elite universities uh to hate America, hate the west, to hate Israel and perforce hate the Jews.
Um that's one process. The other process is the New York Times. New York Times, which has set out assiduously since the time when I was ambassador, we're talking about now over the course of 15 years, assiduously to chip away at Israel's legitimacy um and through countless articles. Uh it was my uh successor in Washington, Ron Durmer, who talked about how 10 years ago the New York Times becoming a cesspool of anti-semitism. That was 10 years ago.
Um, and you know why the New York Times has done this? Because the New York Times uh represents that cadre of u of New York elite, many of them Jewish, by the way, uh who are not friends of the Jewish state, not Zionists, and go way back. It this is the same New York Times that wouldn't report on the Holocaust if you remember. Uh so it was the Holocaust was too Jewish for them. Uh that's that process. Uh and then that is what's happening within the Democratic party.
You have to understand that the New York Times is basically a wing of the Democratic party where anti-semitism has um proceeded and deepened unchecked unchecked. There's no equivalent to uh to to uh to Ted Cruz uh in in the Democratic party. There's no one calling out the party and telling them to stop.
So anti-semitism is advancing unchecked.
And now in order to be a candidate within the Democratic party, you have to say I'm going to cut off aid to Israel.
You're not going to cut off trade with China, which puts a million uh Muslims in concentration camps. No, only the Jewish state. And you you won't accept you'll accept money from any uh any lobby in Washington. As you know, Hugh, there are thousands of the Washington lobbies. You can take it from the gum lobby, the tobacco lobby, any lobby you want. You just can't take it from the lobby that supports the one and only Jewish state. That by definition uh is anti-semitism. You got a party there that's running a a card carrying anti-semite for the Senate in in Michigan. uh another candidate where is it in Maine with a Nazi tattoo on his chest. This is the Democratic party today and this is what the New York Times writes for. Uh so it's that but this takes it to a different level. Hugh um as you know the average oped in the New York Times and God knows I've written dozens and dozens of them um is about 7 800 words. They're very strict about their their their word limit. This article was something in the order of 5 to 6 thousand words and um based entirely on sources known to have ties to Hamas or rapidly anti-Israel. And because it's an oped, they don't have any responsibility uh for, you know, actually checking on the sources. And it was posted literally a day before the Israeli government came out with its report on rape as a sexual weapon used by Hamas on October 7th and after. Uh so it was designed to torpedo Israel's report and basically said well you know Hamas used rape only on one day but Israel uses rape as a weapon every day.
That was the message. So that is the big picture. I'm sorry for going on but why is this fundamentally fundamentally anti-semitic? It was because anti-semitism Hugh always portrays Jews as the the worst enemy of any society.
So if you're you're a capitalist the Jews are going to be communist. You're a communist Jews are going to be capitalists. If you're an internationalist, they're going to be c they're going to be nationalists and vice gone on Jews. The Jewish state has been accused in recent years of racism, colonialism, apartheid, and the worst thing they could have said was genocide.
There's only one thing that's actually worse than genocide, and that is systematic state-run rape. That's it. I you can't get any lower than that because that's totally irredeemable. And what this is about is anti-semitism at the most at the profoundest level. And the United the Netanyahu and um and our foreign minister get on side announced that they will now sue the New York Times for liel. I ardently hope hardly hope that they sue them for a billion dollars. And when this article leads to violence, people getting hurt, and perhaps worse, God forbid, I hope the families of those victims will sue the New York Times for a billion dollars because the New York Times has blood on its hands.
Now, Dr. O, you know, the standard is, and by the way, I think they can meet the standard, reckless disregard for the truth, uh, or simple understanding that, you know, that it's not true. This is recklessly indifferent to the truth because as I think everyone now knows who's investigated, I don't go too deep into this because children might be listening. Dog rape is impossible and the allegation ought never to have made it in and the other sources ought to have been investigated. What is shocking to me not Hassan Hassan is a dummy. A lot of anti-semmites are dummies. I mean ignorant stupid people.
That's not Nick Kristoff. So this mind virus is spreading. Even Rahm Emanuel signed on to the no arms for Israel.
It's like the entry ticket you've got to have punched to get in the Democratic party. Now, how long can a party exist if they've gone full anti-semite?
Well, I want to quote an interesting source for the Democratic party and that is Ted Cruz and what he has said to the Republican party that anti-semitism will destroy the party from within and ultimately will destroy the nation. That has been the record of anti-semitism throughout history. And and Ted is exactly right. And I would hope that Rahm Emanuel, somebody uh in the Democratic Party, would would grow a pair, I think I can say this on this program, and stand up and say enough that this is going to lead to bloodshed and it's going to lead to our destruction as a party, perhaps of the nation itself, but certainly certainly it's going to lead to violence against American Jews. It's already happened. uh those people those at synagogues that have been attacked the Jews have been killed have been killed by people saying you know Palestine free Palestine from the river to the sea right it's all connected somehow uh to anti-ionism that the the people can still insist that somehow anti-ionism is separate or distinguishable from anti-semitism uh it is not there are no campus protests against the Russia's invasion of Ukraine no campus protests against the the actual genocides in the Sudan and the Yemen only against the Jewish Jewish state. It is all roads lead to one thing.
>> Hatred of Jews.
>> Hatred of Jews. So let me bring this to the to the personal level. I am reading Nicholas Lemon's uh long very wonderful memoir of growing up Jewish in New Orleans and it's called Returning and it's a fabulous memoir. He works for the New Yorker. He was the dean ameritus or he is ameritus at Columbia. So Nicholas knows Nick, if you're in a and he's Jewish, what do you do at a personal level when you find out your friend or colleague is an anti-semite?
>> Well, here I want to quote this, you know, they're anti-Semitic, you know, in effect, maybe not intent. If you were to say to Nicholas Tho, hey, you are an anti-semite. You are a true Jew hater.
He would deny it that I heavens. But it doesn't matter if he's sprouting anti-semitism. I I don't know what's in his heart. It's irrelevant what's in his heart. what's which which is which which is will be his responsibility uh and his culpability will be you know the the the madman who reads his article and then then decides to go into a synagogue and shoot up a bunch of Jews >> you know he's not answering his critics uh ambassador he he's he's trying to turn the page over on his ex account he's writing about other stuff he'll never turn the page it's indelible but again if you're his friend or colleague do you say to him I can't be with you are an anti-semite whether or not you understand that. Is that what people ought to do?
>> I've done it already. And it is, by the way, gut-wrenching. I've lost some very dear friends over the course of the last two and a half years precisely precisely for this reason that I I will not maintain a friendship with someone who accuses uh Israel of of training dogs to uh to rape Palestinian prisoners or any of the other totally heinenous liels that they have been thrown at us. And uh and yes, it is painful, but you do it.
Of course, you do it. And I just add one thing. You know, I wrote a memoir several years ago called Ally. Um joke is now available at uh famously reduced prices. I wrote about growing up as the only Jewish kid in a in a Catholic neighborhood and getting beat up for for killing Jesus.
>> And when when I published it, many of my Jewish friends said to me, "Well, I don't get this. There's no anti-semitism in America. I'd never experienced anti-semitism." And nobody says that anymore. Um and the book you know I I don't want to seal that I feel vindicated in some way but uh it is personally exquisitly painful for me to having grown up with anti-semitism having come to Israel in a way in response to that and then to see my people infused infused with anti-semitism surrounded with it in this way >> now I I've made the argument this way it's our Drifus affair it's the moment where someone has to stand up and say Jacqu Hughes and I don't know who our Zola is it might be Ted Cruz. Do you expect any American to rebuke him who's not Jewish?
>> It would be I I'd love to see it in the Democratic party. Um Democrat for Ted Cruz to do that. He's he's done it. You know, Lindsey Graham has done it. Uh I want to see somebody who who hasn't done it stand up and say, "Okay, enough is enough." And you know, I I have a I've always had a a relationship with Rahm Emanuel. We worked very closely together. And uh as somebody who, you know, his father fought for Israel's independence in 1948 uh and uh has an Israeli name and and claims to have have served in the Israeli army, I would hope that Rahm would stand up and say enough is enough.
>> And I hope it I hope it starts soon.
That was the Rubicon in the New York Times by Nick Kristoff. Ambassador Michael Orin, thank you. Follow him on X at Dr. Michael Orin, Dr. Michael Orin.
Let's lighten things up for at least five minutes. My friend Vic Mattis is the number two over at the Washington Free Beacon, the culture and arts editor of the weekend editor. He's also the co-host of the Getting Hammered podcast, which is endlessly entertaining this week because Vic is teaching his daughter to drive. Now, Vic, I did that three times. And as the dad, of course, you have to do it. And I always began in the school parking lot. I gather you chose to begin on the beltway. That's not a good idea.
No, we we did not begin at the beltway.
This is very funny. Uh the the first time I uh drove with my daughter, it was actually in a church school parking lot around the corner just to get, you know, for be able to sort of, you know, negotiate turns and practice things like parking and making going in circles really and just repeating it over and over again. But I seem to have uh uh infinitely more patience with my daughter than my wife does. And so that's fine. I can deal with that. Uh she knows when I start to get loud. Uh she she handles that. she takes that in stride. So, she she she does okay. Uh but again, it's the things like talking and driving at the same time that are a little bit tricky for her.
>> Now, I want to know in the in the modern America world, uh a lot of kids don't even learn to drive. Uh they don't want to drive. They'd rather be on their phones. How are you communicating to her that she can never look at her phone when she drives? Ever.
>> Well, uh the first thing we tell her is to never look at her phone ever when she drives. I mean, that's about it. Uh, like I said, when we went out to Middberg, we didn't even listen to music. I mean, the very thought of her thinking about wanting to change a station or commenting and being distracted by a song that she likes, it was not worth the risk. Uh, and you know, one of our greatest concerns, of course, is being you're young, you're excited, you want to if you're one of the first of your group of friends to be able to drive and you want to take your friends around, that could be a recipe for, you know, an accident. So, uh, you know, I think there are laws on the books, at least here in Virginia, where, uh, you're not allowed to take more than one person not in your family. Uh, so, uh, that that's what we have going for us in our favor. Um, and other than that, we just tell her really let everyone else look at their phones, but you need to really look around, look at signs. I mean, that's the next thing she needs to do is look at the signs, you know, but I mean, there's a lot going on. Then, as Mary Katherine said, we tend to take that for granted. Oh, I know. I love that. Uh, we tend to take the granted. We know how to use the bathroom when we're trying to do toilet training with a 2-year-old. Ditto with a 15-year-old is driving. I just want to say one more thing. Uh, 10 and 2:00, of course. But you mentioned in passing that she would be getting the car that is your car. Look, Dad, why don't you just stay in that car and get her a new car?
I'm not going to get her a new car and watch that, you know, the value of that go down. This is a leased car that already has, you know, a few dings here and there because of, you know, really tight spaces in my parking garage. No, she's getting the fancy Subaru Legacy.
That's what she's getting. And a beautiful gray, a be, you know, just the color a young girl wants. Uh, no. So, she's going to get that. And Hugh, you mentioned 10 and two. You're not going to believe this. The new rule now is eight and four. And the reason for that is air the reason for that is airbags.
Apparently, >> if you're a kid and two, >> boy, am I dating myself. By the way, what happened to driver's ed? It used to be high school that they would, you know, you had to hire a driver instructor to take driver's ed. Is that gone?
>> No, I mean, she's has a class in her uh in her school as well. And in addition to that, you have to get 40 hours in and I think something like 11 or 12 hours at night. I mean, you know, where are you going at night? Uh that that's that's what I want to know, you know. So my wife suggest going >> Yes. She suggests going on that uh Dulles road, the road to Dulles airport because there's a very little traffic at night. So we can probably do that.
>> Wow. All right. Now I want to switch to serious stuff. Um I've talked with Michael Lauren about the Nicholas Kristoff column. Hav Radigura is coming up later this hour and most of next hour.
>> Yeah, that's a bigger longer discussion.
Headline, Israel to sue New York Times Prime Minister Netanyahu, foreign minister Gideon Sar say peace by columnist Nicholas Kristoff is quote one of the most hideous and distorted lies ever published against the state of Israel in the modern press. What do you make of it? What do you do if you have the desk next to Nick Kristoff? They're probably no more desks at the New York Times.
Uh yeah, I mean this is this is the question of uh you know what did they know and when did they know it in terms of the New York Times editorial process as you know uh having an op-ed which this story appeared as right this isn't breaking news this wasn't the front page this is this is this is opinion uh and the question is well if it's opinion uh we're not going to go through the same factchecking operation that we do for a news story it still gets fact checked but slightly differently or whatever it is that Mr. Statlander over there at the New York Times explains um that's kind of a problem and as we know the timing is an issue. Hugh uh Israel is about to come out um with a report about the abuses that took place under Hamas after October 7 and the treatment of Israeli hostages and it's horrific. Uh it's not a coincidence that this story by Nicholas Kristoff alleging that uh prisoners are being you know uh violated by animals trained by the is the Israelis um which on the face of it just seems absurd and Eli Lake has um written about this obviously in the free press. We have written about uh a number of these issues at the Washington Free Bee and ourselves and Iris Stole um has a piece out today that is relevant to it as well. Um, there are a lot of questions.
Um, I don't know, uh, if Nicholas Kristoff gets in any trouble for it, though.
>> I He's not going to. They can't back down. Um, but he might suffer social costs. He ought to. Uh, people like, he'll never be back on this show unless he repudiates what he wrote. And that doesn't bother him probably. He's probably sold enough books he can retire. But I just think it's unfortunate that uh a pretty good writer with a pretty good reputation torched it just to join the incrowd of anti-semmites. Now let me ask you an editorial. I've never been an editor, right? You know, I edit student papers, but that's not You are an editor of the culture and arts program and you do the book reviews and you do a lot of editing. If something comes across your desk and a ridiculous claim is made, absurd on its face, what do you do with it? Do do you call like a vet dog rape?
It's just the stupidest thing. It ought to set off a hundred alarms. You you have to really set uh apart your your biases, Hugh, because you know, you'll come across stories that you you know, we all have very strong opinions and strong feelings about different things that are happening in the world. Uh and sometimes you come across something uh that you so badly want to be true because you feel a certain way about, you know, one faction or another. And this is clearly what happened I think at the times because this is such an incredible story and wouldn't be so wonderful to publish the story to humiliate the Israelis and to show the world that they have somehow managed to train you know these dogs to become rapists. Uh and uh that's just not how it works. Uh and if something like that you know comes to my attention I've been an editor now for for you know decades.
Um the first thing you want to know is okay who are the people who are feeding you this story? Uh that's the first thing. Uh how many of these people can you get on the record? And then you have to vet it yourself. You always have to be wary about the sources and you know the spin that they're trying to they they have their own agenda. Everyone has their own agenda, Hugh. And you have to make sure that they're just not throwing stuff up on the wall and seeing what sticks because if it doesn't stick uh your name and your reputation is on the line, not theirs. They just move on to the next thing. But you know, tips come in all the time and you got to vet them.
Uh and I think they were way too excited. uh to do a thorough vetting of this.
>> Uh it's clear because it's absurd and it's already been debunked. Victoriino Mattis on X also at the Free Beacon and of course on Getting Hammered. Enjoy the one that came out before this this abysmal abomination was vomited up. So go and and listen to Getting Hammered when it was happy times. Uh thank you Vic. For many months now, you've heard me talking about our sponsor, Americans for Prosperity, and their effort in this, our 250th birthday year, to get people to take one small step towards becoming better Americans, honoring liberty. In fact, they have the website a250toolkit.com/hugh a250toolkit.com/hugh to get involved. People who don't need to be encouraged are veterans. I'm pleased to honor and welcome onto the program John Vic. John is the executive director of Concerned Veterans for America. John, when I read your bio, I was kind of astonished because you enlisted as a Marine after 9/11. You deployed as a Marine, then you came and Mustang go over to the United States Naval Academy, then you deployed again.
What's the backstory there? How did they get you to leave being a Marine? I married the daughter of a Marine, and then go to the academy. I've got a step I got a son-in-law who's an Annapolis grad. How'd that happen?
unexpectedly. Yeah. No, it's um not not too much actually. I uh wanted to be in the Navy and be specifically to be a Navy officer since about fourth grade.
911 happened when I was in high school and I was growing up in Texas at the time and just about everybody was joining the Marines and so went ahead and did that. Wouldn't trade it for the world, but uh eventually ended up in the Navy where I expected.
Well, I have had a number of people uh over the 25 years of this program who served in Anbar Province, who served in both theaters as you have, and I'm curious, what would you say to them about celebrating uh the last full measure of devotion their fallen comrades this year, especially in our 250th? What what ought Americans to do? What ought your fellow veterans to do this year?
>> Yeah. So, one of the reasons why I became involved with Concerned Veterans for America and I'm the executive director now is that, you know, CVA, we are always in the fight, but we're also not a rage bait machine, right? We we fight for American principles and we understand that there is nothing that is wrong with America that cannot be solved by what is right with America. And I think Memorial Day is a fantastic time to reflect upon the same incredible gift that we all share. Uh, and also realize that that gift was not free. our inalienable rights have to be defended by every generation and that is something that veterans very uniquely understand.
>> You know, John, one of the small steps I would suggest to people if there's a veteran cemetery near you, whether it's Riverside, California, or I go to Arlington when my wife and I are in the beltway, we walk over there takes a few small steps to get around Arlington. Do you encourage civilians to do that because that really does bring it home, especially on Memorial Day?
>> I do. I do. Um, and you know, I would say in my own veteran experience, Memorial Day becomes more and more impactful every year. I mean, everybody, most people know that Memorial Day commemorates those that have made the ultimate sacrifice, meaning that they died in defense of our nation. But it's, you know, Memorial Day does not just honor a death, right? It honors this unfathomable sacrifice of a person's future in the countless moments and contributions that they will not be able to make for our society because they were defending our society. And you don't really think of it like that in your 20s. So I do think it it it is good for the soul and the mind to go and appreciate the cost that was paid so that we can now defend the the rights and liberties and the futures that we all want.
>> Now we are actually in a battle as we speak. there is a ceasefire, but it's not going to hold. It hasn't held. We're in a war. Uh what is your advice to civilians who don't know much about war?
You know it very well on commenting about the war uh before and especially in a polarized environment like that we're in right now.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, you just have to be persistent, I think. You know, you do need to get involved and not, you know, very small percentage of our country actually serves in the military, but we were all American citizens, right? And I think one of the most important things to to one of the most important rights that you have as an American is to preserve your voice. And so when we're talking about the cost of war and the the weight of the decision to go to war, you should be involved. Right? The reason our founders outlined some very specific things that Americans should have a direct voice on through Congress.
Things like, you know, how what your taxes are going to be and the choice between war and peace, right? And so, uh, you know, I always encourage people to to make sure that you're getting involved. Help your congressman find their courage, whether it's on your taxes, whether it's on war or anything else. Uh, we we have a very unique gift as Americans to be involved in our system. And so whether, you know, whether it's something that you directly understand or not, there's nothing stopping you from getting involved and sharing your voice and and being part of the solution.
I I'm I'm wondering, John, it's not really a red state, blue state issue, but Admiral Cooper was in front of the uh Armed Services Committee today talking about the battle with Iran. Do you watch that with a different set of eyes than a uh civilian like me? Do you listen and hear different things?
>> I think so. I mean, you know, it's hard to uh you know, having I enlisted in 2003, right? went off to Iraq and uh when I when I came home from Iraq, there were kids that were not yet born that uh ended up serving in Iraq 20 years down the road. And so and I remember, you know, all of the congressional hearings, I remember the debate on going to war then. It's impossible not to hear some of the same rhythms. And so for me, from my perspective, it's just very important to stay involved.
>> Take one small step to do just that.
John Vic, have a great Memorial Day when it comes up on us soon. And everyone go and visit a250toolkit.comhu the letter a the number250toolkit.com/shoot.
As promised I'm joined now by Haviv Retigore. Haviviv is the Middle East correspondent for the free press. He is also the proprietor of a Substack havgur.substack.com.
He has his Patreon community under Haviggore. You can follow him on X at Haviviggore. He has also got the Ask Khabib Anything podcast which led to this show a week ago today. Havib put out a long interview with Hussein Mansour. Uh Mansour is a fellow with the Institute for the Global for the study of global anti-semitism and and uh policy. I had not ever heard of this institute before Havib and I missed your earlier interviews with Hussein. Um, have many people told you this was eye opening for them because it was very eye openening for me.
>> That that was he he talked about the Democratic party and the what he perceives as a >> a surrender by the Democratic party elites to to the radical left and he's he's a fascinating guy. He's Egyptianborn. He he fled Egypt. He uh thinks sort of radical thoughts in terms of Arab intellectuals and uh he has been at m many in I think now he's affiliated with Jensa um which is the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs um in America I think the A is America uh in Washington a brilliant thinker serious guy his substack is very intellectual he has argued many things and among them is that this happens often in left-wing movements um where you'll have a center left and it there'll be a radical wing and the radical wing keeps try keeps coming in keeps invading keeps taking over the institutions that slow march through the institutions that we've seen in the Democratic party he thinks uh models exactly what happened to the socialists in the 1930s what happened to the French left after Algeria and just example after example after example it's something the left is particularly susceptible to and has been for two centuries And his argument is the establishment thinks that it's throwing Israel to the left and then and the left is going to be satisfied, but in fact it's not going to be satisfied. Um because it's not about Israel, it's about elite takeovers. It's about one elite switching out another. And so um that's his message, his warning to the sort of mainline Democratic party uh leadership.
I don't think the Democrats are going to listen, but I think the rest of us are going to understand what's happening when everything plays out the way he expected to, you know, over the next 15 years.
>> That was what was so bracing for me.
That's on my tundle, right? I'm inside the bellway and I'm trundling along and I'm listening to this fellow I've never heard of, Hussein Monsour, talking to Aviv, and I always listen to every Ask Aviv anything. And he diagnoses what's going on inside the Democratic party.
Now, Americans aren't really that political. They're not like Israelis.
They're not talking politics all the time unless they happen to be in the beltway. And we're very pragmatic. Uh we we love a carnival. We love the circus.
Uh we're the culture that invented the Survivor Show. We don't want to live it.
We want to watch it. We've watched it for 20 seasons. We're in the 20th season of Survivor. We love game shows. Does Israel have game shows and soap operas, by the way, do you guys go for that?
>> We have soap operas. Uh, and uh, they're quite uh, well, I'm I mean I mean you're putting me on the spot to badmouth my people, but they're terrible. They're really quite awful. Uh, and uh, we don't really have game. We do have wonderful comedy. Uh, our comedy shows are are second to none parody shows, news parodies and things like that.
>> Yeah. But no game shows >> news. And I think you're a far more political I mean more serious conversation about politics in Israel per capita than in the United States.
Would you agree with that?
>> Yeah, there was a famous uh moment where I believe it was um Ben I think met with uh Nixon if I'm not mistaken and uh Nixon says to him I'm the president of 150 million people or whatever it was at the time and began said you think that's hard. I'm the prime minister of three and a half million prime ministers. So yes, Israelis are veryated and very very engaged politically. By the way, for generations, Israelis have had among the highest voter turnouts in elections. U not so much not so much in the last 20 years since the second inif since a little bit of a kind of breakdown of our politics, but before that for generations, some of the highest in the west.
>> Well, this is a bit of a tease for next hour. Uh Habib's coming back and he's going to talk to us about France Fenon and what has happened over and over again. It's really since the French Revolution. The left insists on revolution. Violence occurs. Violence is embraced. Violence is glorified and then violence eats whatever is left and you end up with a Napoleon or whatever is the modern Arab dictator. I believe Algeria is the case study that you and Hussein Mansour used. But is that a fair We'll start with France Fenan next hour.
Is that a fair summary of the argument?
There's a cycle here and the American Democratic Party has been caught up in that cycle.
>> Yeah. And ironically in history it often involved the Jews. Um the French for example the the the German socialists didn't have anything special against the Jews. Some were anti-semites, some were not. It wasn't important to their politics. They had to deal with all kinds of socialist problems, workers and and wages and things like that. Uh but the nationalists uh of Germany were obsessed with the Jews. And at some point the horseshoe theory, right, the the far right and far left are the same working class that has the same basic needs and critiques of the existing order. And so socialists to win elections needed to concede on the Jewish question. And they thought they would feed the far right the Jewish question and then they could get on with their socialist politics. And what ended up happening was that the Jewish question once they they gave gave into it and went anti-semitic formally or agreed to that agenda with the far right uh it just took over all of German politics and there was nothing left. And so the left is often finds itself conceding to various radicals and often finds itself with nothing left once it's conceded.
And the objectivity that comes from having two non-Americans talk about American politics, specifically the Democratic Party, is bracing. I don't know which one of you said it, but the the statement was made. How many have given in to anti-Zionism as the price of admission to the democratic elite?
Answer: Everyone. Everyone from Roanid to Rahm Emanuel have conceded anti-Zionism which is really anti-semitism dressed up for uh uh consumption in the 21st century. Uh don't go anywhere America.
I'm coming right back uh to close this hour out. Nviv is going to come back at the start of next hour. We're going to go deep and and you're going to have to learn about France Fenan and and this theory of violence because it really is eye opening on the Green Red Alliance uh because all the violence in the Middle East in the last 30 months came from the green side, the the Islamist 107, the January massacre in Iran. But the theory of the violence that drove it that Hani brought to Iran and that he exported to Hamas or Hamas got from from the Muslim Brotherhood, it's it's all been around before and it's haunting. Well, I hope you found Aviv interesting. If you missed some of it, you came in the middle. It'll all be over at my YouTube channel. If you're watching on the Salem news channel, stay tuned. Larry Elder is coming up. Please remember, Consumer Cellular is our sponsor and they will save you money. All right? They will save you a lot of money. All you have to do is call 1 800411-4454.
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And the one that came out last Thursday and the timing matters because it came out before Nick Kristoff did his abominable thing. And in that Thursday podcast, as I said last hour, if you were listening, and I'll repeat this hour in case you were, hav was talking with Hussein Mansour of the Institute for the Study of Global Anti-semitism and Policy. And um Hussein posited that the democratic left in America has demanded that all Democrats bend the knee uh at the idol of anti-Zionism and that they embrace the violence that goes along with that and that every Democrat who wants to be in the elite has to concede that ground and that they have.
And then they went into the history of that occurring elsewhere over and over again. So now I want to go to Algeria in our longest segment and I want to give you the floor to explain what happened in Algeria and how France Fenan took the Algerian experience and turn it into a theory. When I studied political theory I didn't get past Makavelli. We stopped in the 15th century and so I read the ancients. I didn't care about guys who were writing in the 50s. I never cared about Herman Marcusa or or any of these people. But I guess I have to care about Venon. Tell us about his belief. how it played out in Algeria, how what he took away from the Algerian civil war.
>> The Algeria story is a story of a classic antic-colonial strugg the the archetypal antic-colonial struggle. The French had begun settling Algeria roughly around 1830. By 1954, 124 years, there were well over a million French citizens, white French Europeans in Algeria, entire cities. Um, Algeria was actually a department of the French Republic. It had representation at the parliament in Paris, but the French never gave citizenship to the Muslims of Algeria who probably outnumbered um the French in Algeria 4 to 1, 5:1. And in 1954, the various several of the uh political factions of the social organizations of Algerian Muslims gathered together and formed the National Liberation Front, the LN um which is the acronym in French, so the letters are out of order. Um and they launch an 8-year independence war is how they thought of it. And it was brutal terrorism. It was it was you know the shootings in cities blowing up cafes murdering families who went to the beach. Uh it was this intense campaign of terrorism. The French responded with a massive military crackdown. It's 8 years sometimes more intense, sometimes less. It's big. It's complicated. They hit out in in Morocco occasionally. The the FLN would would go to different areas. Um there they rolled up some terror networks in Paris. But the long story short of it is that the the mass terror war for eight years succeeded and the French even though the French military won every battle, every engagement, every you know meeting in the desert with with FLN commandos, the French soldiers successfully defeated them. But France lost. France in 1962 um almost overnight, very very quickly, over a million people got on a boat and literally just left the country. um people who had nowhere to go. You couldn't, you know, house a million people suddenly in Paris. Um and and and Aarie Frances, this 130year uh colonization project that was that was literally a voting district of the French Republic um disappeared, evaporated, and the FLN became heroes, became a kind of model for what we call anti-colonial struggle or anti-imperial struggle. Uh France Fenon was a Martineique psychiatrist from Martineique who came to Algeria, volunteered with Efl as a doctor and wrote a book called the wretched of the earth. This book more than any other single text probably is the is the is the foundation stone the crucible of the modern academic humanities sort of radical left. In other words, when you looked at the universities and you say why are they this radical? What happened to them?
What do they think they see? Where's the oppressor oppressed kind of construct come from that has taken over so much of democratic politics and so much of of the of the the you know democratic socialist of America of how Zoran Mamani sees the world start with the wretched of the earth by France Fenon and among the things that he claims there for example he claims that um the colonialism creates a two-tier system and that two-tier system is inherently violent and so violence is mandatory by the colonized against the colonizer in order to restore the human dignity to rehumanize the dehumanized colonized. In other words, this violence turns the uh the the colonizer is the subject of history, is the driver of history, makes all the decisions of history. The colonized, usually the, you know, the brown person, the Algerian Muslim for the purposes of this discussion, um is the object that the colonizer does whatever they want with. Well, to reclaim yourself, your role, your humanity, and being the subject of history, to have agency and decide where history goes for you, you have to resort to massive violence. And so, Fenon is an ideology that in the Algerian context is, you know, it's a real moral argument. The French attempt to suppress the revolt, the independence war, probably killed half a million Algerian Muslims. it was brutal and it was long and and Fenon's interpretation of it maybe was fair. Um but the construct of it became a kind of model for every single other conflict in every single other place. And so when they talk about Israel as being a colonizer that comes into action w with PLO language in 1964 the PLO Palestine Liberation Organization is founded in in Cairo.
It's part of an Arab League thing. It's a Soviet thing a little bit. It's it's different Palestinian factions competing with each other. There's a lot happening there all at once. But the basic idea is the Palestine Liberation Organization through massive sustained terror will do to the colonizer Jews what the FLN did two years earlier, 18 months earlier, so massively successfully, so miraculously successfully to the colonizing French.
And so that's the model and that's what the people are talking about when they're talking about you know decolonizing the humanities, decolonizing Palestine. Uh they're talking about the Algeria war.
>> So when they take that construct when Fenan articulates that uh does it in his mind and the minds of his adherence justify 107? Is that okay? because the people in Gaza have been even though you left Gaza, Israel left Gaza, they were nevertheless uh occupied for since 1967 before you left and so they're still colonized people suffering. Does that justify the rampage and the violence of 107 >> oron? uh violence was cleansing, violence was unifying, violence was rehumanizing.
There is no way to deal with the colonizer except through violence. And violence was redemptive in that sense.
And he was again he was a psychiatrist.
He had a very psychological view of this. the colonized in order to gain the ability to believe that they deserve to be masters of their own nation of their own domain have to do a violence that humanizes them and equalizes them with the with the colonizer and so um in I don't know what France Fenon himself would have said by the way his goal was that the final result nation that would come after decolonization would be a kind of you know egalitarian democracy that's not anything like what uh any of these decolonizing uh societies became.
Algeria became a mess and tyrannical and a disaster. And he also warned that this violence could also bode ill for that future Algeria. What would he have made of of 107? I don't know. But but I can tell you that the theory absolutely celebrates violence and brutality and the brutality is the cleansing force is what makes you human again. um because it makes you equal to the other side.
That is a deeply entrenched idea buried in you know buried deeply in the psyche of kamas and of Arab thinkers and specifically Palestinian thinkers since the 60s. Uh this this sort of sanctifying sacralizing it. By the way, it doesn't hurt that it meshes very very easily with Islamic uh ideas of holy violence and holy war uh under the framework of jihad and under other frameworks. For example, Kamas argues that Palestine is something called WAK, which is this is literally in its 1988 charter uh after its founding in 1987, which is uh a trust. It is a Muslim trust land. In other words, the entirety of everything that is Israel uh and the entirety of you know, West Bank, Gaza, everything that they claim uh is an Islamic trust that it is forbidden in Islamic law. It is not Spain which you conquered and left and maybe you'll conquer again someday. It is Islamic trust that you are forbidden to compromise on. And so all of these beliefs come together to turn violence into the heart and soul of the project.
>> I will come back with part two because that brings us up to 107. But now we also have January 2026 to deal with in Iran. And then we have what's going on in America, the Democratic elite, the Kristoff column. We'll get to it all in the next three segments. If you've listened to me for a long time, you know who Lawrence Wright is. You know what the Looming Tower is. You know who Sed Katub is. and the Muslim Brotherhood and under the shade of the Quran and milestones you know all about that but maybe you don't know about France Fenan the red side of the alliance you'll know about the green alliance uh the genius of Hmeni the evil genius of the first ayatollah of the two Ayatollas who've ruled Iran as dictator since 1979 is he took the red and emerged the green and he took over Iran and Iran has supported every revolutionary violence uh movement in the Middle East since then, including the the terror that was on Israel's northern border, on Israel's southern border, and now the Houthis.
So, how does a phenonist or a Green Red Alliance person explain what Iran did to their own people in January? Uh, Hav Ready Gore.
>> Yeah. Um, gee, not only can they not explain it, they deliberately have needed, and you see this in all kinds of journalists, uh, you know, Guardian columnists and people from on the deep left in the West who had to argue that there's no proof that anybody was killed, that Iranians were killed by the regime, that it's that it's all propaganda and it's all this and it's all that. um they they they not only can't explain it in in the context of Humenian in the context of the Shia the whole argument which is the merger of Shia uh theology and and communist ideas. Lenin's you know 1919 argument that imperialism is the natural evolution of of capitalism. He wrote this little uh pamphlet about that that's very accessible. People can read it. Um, so this merger of like this Leninist Mauist idea that Fenon carries forward into a specific Algerian example. Um, and and and and the Shia concept that the Shia believe in this this foundational battle that happened in 680 at Carbala in Iraq in which the proper heir to Muhammad, Imam Hussein, was killed by the powerful but evil usurper to the leadership of the Muslims, the Khalif Yazid. That is how the the Shia believe it. And the powerful defeated, the the the weak but true, the honest, the authentic believers. And that sounds like a terrible loss. But in fact, that is the beginning of the redemption arc of the world because the fall of of Hussein, the death of Hussein produced the entire Shia tradition which we carry forward today. They say and and in that they model how martyrdom how our death our willingness to die even if we lose this battle and we are killed we will spawn new generations who will carry the fight until our ultimate victory. What Kmeni did was was two things. He took, you know, communism posits class war, right?
So there's a powerful elite and then there is the proletariat underneath and there's a necessary revolution and it's built into history. And what Humeni did with one of his uh a deep thinker and and people he read and inspired him named Ali Shariati. What Humeni did was argue that that communist model of of the proletariat and the elite, that's exactly the Shia model. uh and and the Shia model actually says we are I don't know how to put it. Islam is weak. Islam is backward today. Islam is financially poor. Just economically poor and backward. And that looks like failure.
That looks like something we should be worried about because Islam should be on top, right? It's the religion of God.
It's the true revelation. How come the West, the Christian West, is so powerful and we're so weak? And Kmeni's answer was the weak inherit the earth. That is a verse in the Quran which comes from Jesus which comes from Psalms. I believe it's Psalms originally. The weak shall inherit the earth. We are weak. That is our strength. The west is arrogant and powerful. The west is Yazid the khalif.
And we are the heirs of Hussein. And when this regime over 47 years chooses the path of neverending revolution, never- ending violence, never- ending exporting of the war in Syria that killed 600,000 Sunnis. the horrific war in Yemen, none of which would have been possible without Iran. Um, when when this regime becomes this massive powerful entity that controls its own population, dominates it, and exports war everywhere in the region, it has a hard time explaining how they're the weak guys. And when they're willing to massacre 30,000, 40,000 of their own people, they're not Hussein, they're Yazid. In fact, you have young people in Iran today on social media and and there's a whole graffiti war happening in Iran that's really fascinating for people who want to follow it where people are literally sketching this out.
You are the Yazidis. You are not the Hussein. You are the top of that communist, you know, the the evil corrupt elite. You are not the proletarian fighters for the good of the people. And so it's not just that they can't explain it. This is their weakness. This is their weakest point.
This is where I wish that the West, that America, that Israel would have really good propaganda capabilities, the likes of which the enemies of these countries have, the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, and they could hammer home again and again and again. Their whole ideology is based on who is powerful and who is weak. The weak or holy, the powerful are corrupt. Well, they have become the powerful corrupt, the arrogant as they call it. And so, we could be hammering that home and and and we don't. we sort of let their sort of religious discourse happen separately.
But I think that kind of propaganda information war would be really really powerful uh in this kind of a war because nobody in Iran thinks that this regime represents the revolution for the week that Kmeni uh cast it as in that merger of Shiism and communism.
>> Well, this conversation is my little attempt to inject a little bit of seriousness into the innocence of America because we are pragmatic. We like to make money. We don't pay a lot of attention to Hollywood uh to to uh politics and ideology. We love Hollywood and we love to watch game shows. And like Survivor, again, we don't really want to be in a Survivor situation like Israel. We like to watch it. We've got a military. It's 1% of the country. They do all the heavy lifting. They're in the Gulf. They're the ones who fight the forever wars. 99% of us stay home and watch. So now we're going to bring both of those strains, what's going on in Iran and what's going on in Finan into the United States. And it gets rooted in the academic world and your guest explained this. And then it begins to infiltrate the Democratic party through the academic left where I think he said the paradigm used to be the Jewish professor Harold Bloom and now it's become the anti-Israel absolutist who insists on decolonizing Israel. uh meaning destroying Israel from the river to the sea and it is entering an American politics. Does does anyone else see this or are you two guys talking to each other alone in a bar over a couple of beers and nobody pays attention or is this widely understood outside of the comfortable confines of America?
I >> I think I mean more and more people are seeing it. Um uh the way Coleman Hughes put it um was that there's this there's this well I mean there's this takeover of the universities by a well so Hussein Mansour said that by people like me right meaning literally intellectual in the Middle East uh he himself is Egyptian born and raised by the way he's the he's an American he's the most patriotic American you'll ever meet of the of the type of I hope I'm representing him Well, I apologize to him if I'm not of the type that you only get with an immigrant who really knows how precious it is to be an American. Um he says that these these intellectuals came from the Middle East and they entered the universities and they displaced the old school not just Jewish but many Jewish intellectuals in the universities and they brought in those ideas of um you know sort of the Arab way of looking at things which some significant extent Arab intellectual life and Arab universities and Arab is excuses is is a stand by Aviv I got to Go to break. I'll be right back with Aviv Ready Gore because all of a sudden all this became very relevant this week with Nick Kristoff. Got two more segments with Aviv Ready Gore. I remind you his Patreon community. Well worth the time. Don't miss ask Kaviv anything.
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Of course, he's the Middle East correspondent for the free press and I encourage you to subscribe to that. When you and Hussein Mansour got around to it, you talked about how the radical left got into the universities. I don't think anyone argues that anymore, but it moved out. It moved out in the Democratic party into the Democratic Socialist of America and now we have Manny and we have AOC in the squad, which rightly was kind of a cartoon at the beginning, but now it's not a cartoon anymore. We got Graham Platner running in Maine and Elsad running in Michigan. We got a lot of these hardleft radicals. They're not lunatics. They're hardleft radicals. and your 15 minutes yesterday about Nick Kristoff. I remind you we're FCC regulated, so we can't be as colorful as you were. That was his um price of admission. He wants to do the radical chic and mowing, the Tom Wolf thing of the 1960. He wants in on that game. He's tired of the old moderate left, old school liberal help the poor game. He wants to be into the violence game because he went all in in that column. Does that follow like night follows day from your conversation the week before with Mansour?
>> You know, I am sure he won't say that it he won't say it that way. I'm sure he doesn't think he supports violence in any way, but the standards that the New York Times employs for factchecking in an op-ed, remember the uh Senator Tom Cotton column that got people fired? the New York Times and one of the reasons they said it got them fired that didn't meet their editorial standards for checking his facts or whatever it was.
Well, this is this is that I mean dogs raping I I mean there was no attempt to seriously explore what's going on. I I'm somebody who has written about abuse in Israeli prisons. I am somebody who thinks, by the way, there are 2,000 claims outstanding at this moment, as far as I could tell from looking it up on Google, against the New York prison system. The argument that there's a prison system without abuse is is is fatuous. It's impossible. And here we're talking about a prison system that absorbed thousands of people. Many of them had invaded the country and massacred people and taken hundreds of people prisoner and hostage and uh and and and also hundreds of prison guards drafted as reservists because there weren't enough guards to suddenly guard these thousands of invaders. And that's a prison system cobbled together real quick after October 7. And if you come to me and say there's abuse happening there, not only do I believe you, I know prosecutors. I know the it's been there there are dozens and dozens. Last time I checked was a year ago or a year and a half ago, there were 70 indictments against Israeli uh soldiers uh on on these questions. It's a real problem and it's a problem we have to deal with. And I have criticized our government for not dealing with it enough and not thinking about it enough. And still the stuff that comes out of Nick Kristoff's column just as totally believable is is insane.
It's not only insane when you actually get down to the sources. There are few people there who are ordinary people.
When they come forward with complaints, they're worth exploring. They're worth thinking about very seriously. But there are people there who are known kamas propagandists. They have lied in the past. The stories they told Nick Kristoff are different from the very stories and the very same incidents that they told in the past. They are paid card carrying kamas propagandists and that's the column and I have to tell you that when you come out swinging for kamas that strongly and one final point that really is just you know you said your FCC regulated are not to curse. I cursed in that column. I I I don't often curse. Um, that whole column and the dust up that it caused came out a day before the biggest, most serious 1,800 hours of video, 10,000 interviews. I I I I hope I didn't reverse those statistics. Maybe it was 10,000 hours of I I unbelievable amount of evidence and data and serious uh putting together of a of a of a report not even by the Israeli government by a civil commission made up of survivors made up of of people who are very serious and going person by person into the sexual assault by kamas in of hostages on October 7.
the whole entirety of that issue that came out the day after. The New York Times knew when that was going to come out because the New York Times was offered the story and declined it. So, it ran in the Daily Mail in London and it ran on CNN in America and it and Kristoff's column comes out 16 hours before it and alleges massive things mostly from Kamas propaganda to to cover for it. In other words, this wasn't this was an attempt, okay, instead of revealing sexual violence, this was an attempt to cover for sexual violence.
And I say that as someone who knows there was abuse in the Israeli prisons and still he went to bat not for Palestinians, but for kamas. And so, >> and the reason he did, and we'll cover it in the last segment coming up, is because the left has captured elites in America. An iron curtain is descending among elites in America. and you're on one side of it or the other side of it.
One side of it is anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, anti-semitic by definition. You cannot be with the good group, the good guys, the self-proclaimed um elite, unless you adopt that and it's working and it's also making people stupid. It's my last uh segment with Hiv. I want you to go back though, get ask anything. Go back a week, listen to that longer conversation with Mansour Haviv. Now, we're going to look forward.
Um, Kristoff is is just one example of capture of elites by radical left ideology that requires anti-ionism, anti-Israel, absolutism, and then it descends into anti-semitism here. And it's it's like the Drifus affair. That's what I've been telling people. It's it's our moment to come to a reckoning with this. And people have to pick sides. And I knew Nick. Nick's been on this show a number of times. He won't be again because he hasn't repudiated the idiocy of dog rape and falling for it. I mean, it's like taking the Nigerian email offering you riches if you'll just send him your bank account. No, it was that bad. But the good news is it doesn't work. I think I understood your conversation with Hussein Monsour to say in the end it ends up with Assan representing you. He's a dummy. He doesn't know anything. And I think part of America's problem is it is growing ignorance not just of the world but generally of books. our entertainment culture, our fixation with the passing.
But the revolution can't survive on that, can it? And the Democratic Party is going to seal itself off from 70 to 80% of the country that wants no part with massacres, no part of 107, no part of the January murder spree by the homist and the Hini uh shock troops in the IRG. I think it ends well. Do you share my optimism?
the core ideas of Fenon, of Shariati, of Kmeni, of these these deep ideas that really have taken over the Middle East studies departments of American universities. You know, in in every big university, you now have an Israel studies center. That's in part because nobody could trust the Middle East studies departments to teach Israel.
You'll teach the Middle East, but you won't actually teach the actual historical experience. There is literally knowledge that is forbidden in a modern American university, especially at the elite, because it's not politically correct. and and and it is literal historical knowledge of millions of people and what it is they went through and what they think is happening to them. So, um it is it is anti-truth.
It is also profoundly anti-western, anti-American. It really is. I you know, it just is. You you can't not actually talk to Hassan listen to Hassan talk about uh China, Russia, and then listening to him talk about 911 talk about uh America and you will discover just how profoundly anti-American the whole thing is. And so yes, if the Democrats go down this path, there's they're not going, you know, the New York Times has gone down this path.
They've laundered him in six different forums that they managed to put together. But where does this end? Where does this end? He actively talks about violence. A lot of DSA people talk about violence. And uh the candidate you mentioned, I forget his name in Michigan Platner Elsad in Michigan. There are a bunch of them.
So the Democrats have decided to hand the Israel issue over to the far left to give in on that completely and they hope that that will allow them to be moderate and serious on all the other stuff on the economic stuff on the AI reforms that have to come on, you know, healthcare on everything else. It's not going to moderate anybody. It's going to be wind in the sales of these people and it's going to be people who will never stop producing texts and videos about how America is terrible. The Democrats are not going to win elections like this. I know they want to unify because they want to have a chance in 2028 and this is the only way they think they can unify, but somebody's doing it to them.
Somebody's forcing them into that position. By the way, the young people on right and left, they're more radical than the adults. And why are they more radical? Cuz they're living on TikTok where they have been actively radicalized. Never mind Israel, Jews, Gaza war. They've been actively radicalized on everything. America doesn't want to do anything about that issue. So, you are facing a future of massive radicalization, huge vulnerability to being radicalized against in in with anti-American ideologies by your actual enemies, by the Chinese Communist Party, by the Russians, by the Iranians. You're entering a future you have no and nobody's even talking properly as far as I can see about what this all means for that future. The Democrats are giving ground and they will regret giving that ground because by the time they gain it back uh there there will be they will be in shambles. I don't know how you take on these ideologies that don't fall.
>> So my my last comment on this and I'd love your reaction. It won't work in America because we are a pragmatic money-making people and we all deep in our genes. How do you make a buck? Where do you go to get the free land? How do I sell someone uh snake oil? The circus is coming to town. Uh the parade is here.
We are not going to get stuck in that crazy loop of killing because nobody want you can't make money that way. You really can't. And Havib, I don't know what your comment is on that, but I don't think it has appeal beyond the undershered overweight left in the Antifa demonstrations in Seattle. I don't think it it has legs because they can't have all tenure. They all can't have tenure. It it just doesn't it doesn't work.
>> That was Hussein's belief. America is different. This is how uh you know this is how in Eastern Europe they fell to communism and this is how in Western Europe they fell to fascism and this is these kinds of radical self- advagating kinds of ideologies this this this center that couldn't hold because everybody radicalized to the edges in the with these dynamics. Um Hussein says America is different. It's it's bigger.
It's a it's enormous. It has many many voices and there's not enough grievance and there's a culture that doesn't respect grievance. There's a culture that really does believe in going out and building things and this stuff is 100% grievance and somebody else is going to come in. You know, very very rich people are advocating socialism for America. Um, and they're catching on with the young people because it, you know, there's a lot of real economic dislocation that's only going to get worse with AI. Ultimately, America will come through this. Uh Hussein said that he is smarter than I and certainly a better observer of uh of American politics and if you and him agree I am not going to challenge that thought. Uh America has always been >> I just think we are a get over it culture. Get off the couch and go to work. Get a job. Uh I want again tell people head over to askiv anything because our our four segments our five segments don't do justice to that conversation which which presumed a lot.
Saint talks faster than anybody I've ever heard before and I talk pretty fast. Ben Shapiro talks pretty fast. But then your your transition and repudiation of Nick Kristoff was complete. So listen to the next Havib as well. Ask Havib anything is the podcast.
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